John Bolton: Israel Should Bomb Iran's Nuke Facilities<br>Israel's Submarine Force: Already On It, Hoss

John Bolton: Israel Should Bomb Iran's Nuke Facilities
Israel's Submarine Force: Already On It, Hoss

Only those most theologically committed to negotiation still believe Iran will fully renounce its nuclear program. Unfortunately, the Obama administration has a "Plan B," which would allow Iran to have a "peaceful" civil nuclear power program while publicly "renouncing" the objective of nuclear weapons. Obama would define such an outcome as "success," even though in reality it would hardly be different from what Iran is doing and saying now. A "peaceful" uranium enrichment program, "peaceful" reactors such as Bushehr and "peaceful" heavy-water projects like that under construction at Arak leave Iran with an enormous breakout capability to produce nuclear weapons in very short order. And anyone who believes the Revolutionary Guard Corps will abandon its weaponization and ballistic missile programs probably believes that there was no fraud in Iran's June 12 election. See "huge credibility gap," supra.
In short, the stolen election and its tumultuous aftermath have dramatically highlighted the strategic and tactical flaws in Obama's game plan. With regime change off the table for the coming critical period in Iran's nuclear program, Israel's decision on using force is both easier and more urgent. Since there is no likelihood that diplomacy will start or finish in time, or even progress far enough to make any real difference, there is no point waiting for negotiations to play out. In fact, given the near certainty of Obama changing his definition of "success," negotiations represent an even more dangerous trap for Israel.

Allah suggests that Israel hold off to see what develops. But..

...his point about attacking at a moment when the public has never been more disaffected with the regime is well taken. The fear that striking Iran would drive Iranians back into the arms of the government has always been a deterrent, but in light of the schism over the past two weeks, it’s hard to imagine that happening. There’s no longer a relationship between the people and their rulers; such is the hatred, in fact, that I wonder how many of them would secretly thrill to seeing the Revolutionary Guard’s nose bloodied. It’s a gamble, but the odds really never have been better.

I don't think the point is well-taken, myself. The political crisis in Iran is urgent and acute, whereas the nuclear crisis is in the same phase it's long been in -- they're getting closer every day, but they're not there yet. Iranians might be happy to have their country hit by Israeli missiles, but I doubt it, and even if they would be happy to see this, certainly they would be just as happy to see it six months hence when the mullahs have completely reasserted their fascist control and offer no hopes whatsoever of reform or change.

They'd be likelier to see it happen then, in fact, as it would disrupt a government they'd been trying, unsuccessfully, to overthrow.

Israel, on the other hand, may disagree.

After a long hiatus, the Israeli Navy has returned to sailing through the Suez Canal, recently sending one of its advanced Dolphin-class submarines through the waterway to participate in naval maneuvers off the Eilat coast in the Red Sea.
IDF sources said the decision to allow navy vessels to sail through the canal was made recently and was a definite "change of policy" within the service.
...
The significance of the move was debatable, but it could be interpreted as a message to Iran and a demonstration of strengthening ties between Egypt and Israel.
In the event of a conflict with Iran, and if Israel decided to involve its three Dolphin-class submarines - which according to foreign reports can fire nuclear-tipped cruise missiles and serve as a second-strike platform - the quickest route would be to send them through the Suez Canal.

I've been wondering why Obama is so in the pocket of the mullahs in Iran, so afraid to say a bad word about them. I think I know the reason.

It has long been obvious that Teheran has been buying time with which to complete its nuclear program. I think Obama is also buying time, and for the same purpose -- to allow Iran to complete its nuclear program.

In a roundabout way.

Teheran wants the pretext of "negotiations" to stall for time. But Obama wants that too. Obama, along with most in the Democratic establishment (and a good part of the Republican establishment, too), has decided that Iran will get nuclear weapons, and there is no way to halt or delay this short of war, a step they have decided is beyond serious consideration. They now look past the official nuclearization of Iran to the next step, deterrence and living with a nuclear Iran.

But while Obama and much of the establishment has decided this, they have not made this case to the American public. They maintain our official policy is that the US will not accept a nuclear Iran, yadda yadda yadda, and know if they suggest otherwise to the public, the public will be angered at their passivity.

So Obama pretends he will not accept a nuclear Iran, and that his means of demonstrating this supposed non-acceptance of a nuclear Iran just happens to the exact same means Iran uses to develop its nukes, that is, endless negotiations which both sides know are entirely pointless -- except for the useful kabuki play they're both putting on for US citizens.

Obama needs the ploy of fruitless negotiations much more than Iran does. Iran could, at any moment, simply declare they're not trading away their nukes for anything, and that negotiation is pointless, and that they're developing them no matter what, and then just develop them without the pretext of negotiation. And they would suffer no consequences for this.

We know this because it's already happened -- Ahmadinejad really did declare that negotiations were futile and that Iran would never give up its nuke program. But this obviously caused no change of policy in the Obama administration.

But Obama does need this fig leaf. Iran doesn't really need the fig leaf, though from time to time they wear it, as it's freely available to them; but they don't need it. Whether they pretend they're negotiating this week or not, they suffer no consequences for developing nukes.

But Obama would suffer consequences if Iran didn't agree to pretend to negotiate -- because the American public really does not want Iran to have nukes. Obama needs the Let's Pretend game of negotiation with the Iranians, in order to hide from the American people that his real policy on Iranian nukes is to permit them.

The moment Iran makes it crystal clear they're not negotiating anything, Obama know longer has that fig leaf, and then must either confront Iran (which he would not do under any circumstances) or capitulate to them (which brings with it a domestic political cost).

Obama has no Plan B. Actually, he doesn't have Plan A, either, but he pretends he does. The moment Pretend Plan A fails, his true plan, which is no plan, is exposed, and he's slammed (rightly) as a feckless appeaser who all but delivered the bomb to the mad mullahs.

Now, that is where we are headed. We are on that track and there are no branching tracks available. That is our endpoint. The only question is how quickly we get there.

Obama, of course, would like to stall. He will have to take this hit at some point, but obviously he'd prefer it to be just as he's departing office after having completed his second term. And to delay this realization that we have capitulated to Iran's nuclear passions, he wants to pretend he's got some plausible way to avoid it.

Now, when Iran does detonate a nuke, he will confess surprise and sadness (and maybe even "troubled concern" or whatnot). But he will say, dishonestly, he did all he could to avoid it.

It's for this reason Obama needs the pretend goodwill of the mullahs much, much more than the mullahs need the pretend goodwill of Obama. They can get and will get what they want from Obama -- full capitulation -- whether they pretend to negotiate or not.

But for Obama, this pretense of negotiation is absolutely critical to his strategy. His strategy is not to actually resolve the crisis in the national interest. His strategy is only to delay the point at which he takes political damage for failing to resolve the crisis, and pretending, up until that point, to be busily and fruitfully working to resolve it.

He needs that. And for that he needs the mullahs.

But they don't need him for that. Notice that they're not terribly worried about "meddling" in US politics when they accuse the CIA of engineering the premeditated murder of Neda. They can say that, they can toss around such accusations, because they don't need a damn thing from Obama.

Obama needs something from them -- and they know it.

An Old Saying... explains Obama's strategy. His strategy of selling this to the American public, I mean.

It is easier to beg for forgiveness than to obtain permission.

In other words, it's easier to present someone with a fait accompli and say "Sorry, my bad" than to sell them on it before it's accomplished.

He can't sell America on allowing Iran to have nukes. Or at least not without taking damage he doesn't want to.

So he will pretend he's "working on" the problem with "smart, outside-the-box diplomacy" until they detonate a nuke, at which case he'll apologize and say "Gee, guys, guess I got taken for a ride. Those stinking liars! Let's all be mad at them together! But not too mad. They have nukes, now, so it's not like we can do anything to express our anger at how badly they've duped me, your Messiah."

Posted by: Ace at 07:35 PM

Comments

1 Just got done reading allah's take, and after I was done with it I went back and re-read it, and thought, "See? THAT'S the stuff that makes people love allah."

Posted by: Douglas at July 02, 2009 07:40 PM (uU+Ss)

I say let's not stall for time and let the medicine begin treatment.Israel must take out the bad guys and live with the cards that play on the table.

If the Messiah had any street smarts,he would see that he is playing a loosing hand. 4-Years is up real quick when you play poker with the Big boys.

Posted by: rblancard at July 02, 2009 07:42 PM (/Yugr)

3 Spot on analysis ace.It's up to Israel to stop this if it is going to be stopped.My guess is not.

Posted by: steevy at July 02, 2009 07:45 PM (GCpdy)

Gotta

Love

Bolton

Posted by: AndrewsDad at July 02, 2009 07:45 PM (MsyOh)

5 In other foreign policy news Barry is going to school Vlad on how things will work. Barry is so good with the condescending, arrogant I'm smarter than everyone else approach to foreign relations.

"I think that it's important that even as we move forward with President Medvedev that Putin understand that the old Cold War approaches to U.S.-Russian relations is outdated — that's it's time to move forward in a different direction," Obama said.

He said Medvedev understands that, but Putin needs convincing that the U.S. wants cooperation rather than "an antagonistic relationship."

I'm sure Vlad will love to read that.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at July 02, 2009 07:48 PM (/dngc)

6 Ahhh and if Iran can have nukes, then anyone can have them. That's what some in this administration don't understand (well, they do, but they just don't want to have to actually do anything about it). Won't it be a loverly world?

Posted by: RicardoVerde at July 02, 2009 07:48 PM (PBTsv)

7 Deterrence?

Yeah, right.

Empty out a boomer and use the survivors as extras in zombie movies.

Ok, a little over the top there.

Posted by: eman at July 02, 2009 07:49 PM (fpywm)

Another great explanation Ace. Thanks for the analysis that I never see anywhere else. I enjoyed this as much as your analysis on why it became convenient for people to conclude that "Bush lied."

If you weren't out killing hobos so often, just think of the good you could do.

Posted by: MasterTypo at July 02, 2009 07:50 PM (Z2sH0)

9 5 He's stupid enough to believe that Medvedev is actually in charge of anything?

Posted by: steevy at July 02, 2009 07:50 PM (GCpdy)

10 If Israel took out Iran's program - and actually used some nuclear missiles to do it - and thumbing their nose at Obama in the process, I wonder if Israel would become the "strong horse" in the Middle East. Feared and secretly admired, it might actually move the Arabs toward real peace.

Posted by: lmg at July 02, 2009 07:56 PM (Qt4Y7)

11 At this point, does it matter if the populace rallies to the regime? Even if they do (and considering the bloodshed, I'm dubious), how is that any different than the perceived relationship a year ago? And, is a united Iran with a destroyed nuclear program a worse option than a totalitarian (and possibly unstable) Iran WITH a nuke?

Posted by: nickless at July 02, 2009 07:56 PM (MMC8r)

12 9 5 He's stupid enough to believe that Medvedev is actually in charge of anything?

Posted by: steevy at July 02, 2009 07:50 PM (GCpdy)

I don't think he does, but it's a wonderful opportunity to trash the missile defense system, declare a diplomatic breakthrough with the Russians, and then divert the money to whatever misguided social program he wants to as a "peace dividend".

The Russians will be happy to play along.

Posted by: Jim From San Diego at July 02, 2009 07:57 PM (H7Rlw)

13 Ace, glad to see your testosterone levels have "risen" above "mangina" levels. I was worried about you last week.

Posted by: jcw46 at July 02, 2009 07:57 PM (9qM61)

14 Is barky actually dumb enough to think that Putin will be askeered of what chris matthews, olby, brian williams and the demented kewpie doll on CBS have to say about him?

That's a rhetorical question folks- no need to answer.

Posted by: buster mcDissenter at July 02, 2009 07:58 PM (k8MRc)

15 War is inevitable.

Democrats will just make it a lot bloodier and a lot harder to win.

Posted by: eman at July 02, 2009 07:59 PM (fpywm)

16 I just crapped out a turd that had me huffawed and puffawed all over the toilet. It finally decided to crawl out from the dark sad depths of my colon...

Posted by: palin steele (the only non-partisan on AoSHQ) at July 02, 2009 08:00 PM (VDj74)

17 Great post Ace. But I think you give Obama too much credit. I think he really does believe he can negotiate in good faith with the mullahs and get them to trade away their nukes with his silvery tongue. The man is a narcissist and he thinks he can do anything. And ESPECIALLY with a place like Iran, what with his extensive experience with Islam and the fact that he's not the bellicose cowboy monster that Bush was (or that Obama imagines Iran thinks Bush was).

But I agree with you that in the end Obama is willing to live with a nuclear Iran. Remember what he said about Iran in his Feb. 9 press conference:

There's been a lot of mistrust built up over the years, so it's not going to happen overnight. And it's important that even as we engage in this direct diplomacy, we are very clear about certain deep concerns that we have as a country -- that Iran understands that we find the funding of terrorist organizations unacceptable; that we're clear about the fact that a nuclear Iran could set off a nuclear arms race in the region that would be profoundly destabilizing.

Notice that? Funding terrorist groups is "unacceptable", but a nuclear Iran would merely be "destabilizing". But not "unacceptable".

I also think that if/when Iran does go nuclear, Obama will use it as an excuse to launch a worldwide get-rid-of-nukes campaign. This is going to be the strategy to counteract the negative domestic political hit he will take for failing to restrain Iran's nuke ambitions. He can say "well I did all I could, but Iran was rightly threatened by Israel's nukes, and this just shows that it's time for everyone to get rid of their nukes. Israel, why don't you go first."

Posted by: chemjeff at July 02, 2009 08:02 PM (nKA5J)

18 16 wasn't this the same turd who huffawed and puffawed all over the UN about WMDs? finally decided to crawl out from whatever rathole he's been infesting...

That would be Clinton, dear. Go back to sleep.

Posted by: nickless at July 02, 2009 08:02 PM (MMC8r)

19 He wants the Islamists to have The Righteous Flame of Purification. I do not believe he's simply being a complete pansy. His payback? Ayatollah Obamuhh, one of The Supreme Leader's top Caliphatic lieutenants.

Posted by: t-bird at July 02, 2009 08:03 PM (FcR7P)

20 The Mustache of Truth has spoken.

Ignore it at your peril.

Posted by: eman at July 02, 2009 08:03 PM (fpywm)

21 Bush tried the nicey nice with Puti Put and it went nowhere. Odumbshit thinks he can do better. How wrong he is.

Posted by: Ronster at July 02, 2009 08:04 PM (iMPMW)

22 @20

I think its generally wise to avoid idiocy like trying to dagger dance with a tree.

Anyone got an aspirin or something?

Posted by: palin steele (the only non-partisan on AoSHQ) at July 02, 2009 08:04 PM (VDj74)

23 Oh good, "non-partisan" Palin Steele has decided to join us. So, PS, perhaps you can share for us which of Bolton's statements concerning WMDs that you find so objectionable.

Posted by: chemjeff at July 02, 2009 08:04 PM (nKA5J)

24 Thanks Ace - Great analysis again - I alway say - "I wish I could say it like that!"

Posted by: txaggie at July 02, 2009 08:05 PM (ZN7+E)

25 12 That is exactly what I think.We are so fucked.Well I guess the US had a good run,nothing lasts forever.

Posted by: steevy at July 02, 2009 08:06 PM (GCpdy)

26 Fortunately for the Israelis, they already know where they stand with The Won, and I don't think they give a shit. They also have a real leader in Netanyahu, unlike the sissy teh 52% idiots saddled us with.

Posted by: Andy at July 02, 2009 08:06 PM (xM6ve)

27 Barry the Hutt still hasn't admitted he was wrong about Iraq.

Barry the Hutt tried to take credit for the success in Iraq.

Barry the Hutt is a low-life criminal.

Posted by: eman at July 02, 2009 08:06 PM (fpywm)

28 #22

Why don't you give John Bolton a chance, as you said we should give Messiah? Shouldn't that be the way a true "non-partisan" like yourself operate? What would Captain America do, dammit!?!? Would Captain America trade away all the moral authority he gained at Normandy by not giving John Bolton a chance?

Posted by: Kratos (on the back of Gaia, scaling Mt Olympus) at July 02, 2009 08:07 PM (otlXg)

29 Good hash for anal steed today.VD indeed....

Posted by: steevy at July 02, 2009 08:08 PM (GCpdy)

30 As much as I'd hate to see a commie get the better of an American I realize that when Barry meets Vlad it will be two commies facing each other. Since no one in this country will say anything against Barry and if they do they get destroyed by the media I hope that Vlad bitch slaps Barry around in such a way that it can't be spun in a positive way. Really knock the arrogant smirk off of Barry's face. I mean Jimmah Carter humiliation. God help us.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at July 02, 2009 08:08 PM (/dngc)

31 The Holy Land is fucked.

Posted by: ErikW at July 02, 2009 08:09 PM (hKtiw)

I am embarassed what the democrat party has turned into (and I say this as a former lifelong democrat).. and that America has no clue what a radical weakling man is in the WH..

Posted by: johnc -- ex-democrat at July 02, 2009 08:10 PM (ACkhT)

33 President Palin is going to have so much repair work to do she will need two terms for sure.

Posted by: eman at July 02, 2009 08:11 PM (fpywm)

34 So he will pretend he's "working on" the problem with "smart, outside-the-box diplomacy" until they detonate a nuke, at which case he'll apologize and say "Gee, guys, guess I got taken for a ride. Those stinking liars!

Sounds like a great plan to me.

Posted by: Madeline Albright at July 02, 2009 08:13 PM (xM6ve)

35 #31

To be honest, we all will be fucked soon, as in the end, there will be only chaos. At least the chaos that Messiah will unleash will be a quicker chaos...

Posted by: Kratos (on the back of Gaia, scaling Mt Olympus) at July 02, 2009 08:13 PM (otlXg)

36 I promise to support President Palin's efforts to heal the Recovering Republic even if she commutes former President Obama's life sentence to permanent exile.

Posted by: eman at July 02, 2009 08:14 PM (fpywm)

37 Ask yourself this question: which represents a greater immediate danger to these United States of America: The Mullahs of Iran, or barack hussein obama?

Posted by: Dang Straights at July 02, 2009 08:14 PM (B0Wuo)

38 @32--nice to hear from you, johnc. You are not alone.

Posted by: April at July 02, 2009 08:14 PM (8Fbb8)

39 I've already proven my non-partisan bonafides by admitting that I was willing to vote for Romney if Obama or Hillary were not nominated. I think Romney was the 3rd best candidate overall (both dems and republicans) of 2008 and wouldn't mind voting for him in 2016.

Posted by: palin steele (the only non-partisan on AoSHQ) at July 02, 2009 08:15 PM (VDj74)

40 Posted by: palin steele (the only non-partisan on AoSHQ) at July 02, 2009 08:00 PM (VDj74)

You are a profoundly silly person.

Posted by: toby928 at July 02, 2009 08:16 PM (PD1tk)

41 Oh, A "PLAN B."

How quaint.

Is that another way of saying, "We'll let them have their nukes and pretend it's all peaceful. And after Tel Aviv goes up in a mushroom cloud, we'll say it represents progress in the War on Israeli Settlements."

Posted by: CoolCzech at July 02, 2009 08:18 PM (teBup)

42 A war with Iran would be a piece of cake. First you take out their nuclear facilities in a suprise attack paying attention to try to kill as many of their technical staff as possible. (Replacing these will be problematical). Next you warn them where your next strike will be to avoid as many deaths as possible: this will be their oil refineries so they will have to rely 100% on Europe for refining. Next you say if they try to rebuild/repair their refineries again, it will be considered an act of war and you will destroy them again. And that is it. Any other destruction would be of the normal type, shooting down fighters and taking out missile radars etc. No invasion necessary since we do not want to nation build or have to hold territory that is expensive and gets soldiers killed.

Posted by: Bozo at July 02, 2009 08:18 PM (4uAeQ)

43 16 wasn't this the same turd who huffawed and puffawed all over the UN about WMDs? finally decided to crawl out from whatever rathole he's been infesting...

So tell us, how does the Jug Eared Fuck's ass taste?

Posted by: Unclefacts at July 02, 2009 08:19 PM (vZVv7)

44 Pootie-Poot will humiliate D'ohbama.

First, he is easily 30 points higher in IQ, and already has the talking/arguing points well laid out beforehand. Plus, he has the force of personality and grasp of reality to outflank a poseur like Barry.

Second, he has that finely-tuned trait of the Soviet poker face, and the clinical mastery and hatred of weaklings (of which O'Dumbo is chief on the world stage).

Third, he is not constrained by the western civilities of PC; that is, he has the original contempt and hatred of anyone of African decent, and regards them as several levels below the Slavs. Watch his body language. He will humiliate Barry.

Posted by: Inigo Montoya at July 02, 2009 08:19 PM (aYL9O)

45 But what if Obama is just a clueless fool?

Posted by: SlaveDog at July 02, 2009 08:19 PM (LDTnn)

46 President Palin and Vice-President Bolton will have their work cut out for them as they confront the steaming pile the previous Administration left on the Nation's front porch.

Posted by: eman at July 02, 2009 08:19 PM (fpywm)

47 Good post. Obama just hopes to kick the can (a nuclear Iran) down the road far enough and long enough that it blows up for some other President.

Posted by: Larry Braverman at July 02, 2009 08:19 PM (KOkrW)

hi April!

yes.. I think more and more moderate dems like me are just freaking embarassed by this clown (I don't mean al franken)... the far lefties have completely taken over the party I was part of my whole life.. these lefties are must live in their own fantasy world.... trust me when I say it was not this bad in 2000 or in 2004, when I did indeed vote for Gore and Kerry *shuddering*

I really don't think people like sean hannity or rush realise how many dems are disenfranchised.. and it is many the moderate wing..

Posted by: johnc -- ex-democrat at July 02, 2009 08:20 PM (ACkhT)

49 25 12 That is exactly what I think.We are so fucked.Well I guess the US had a good run, nothing lasts forever.

Posted by: steevy at July 02, 2009 08:06 PM (GCpdy)

As nothing will last forever, neither will the Obama tragedy of 'bread and circuses'. There is a HUGE possibility that he will 'eff-up so spectacularly bad that his own fawning press will be unable to cover for him. The best we can hope for is that he is a one term wonder. Does anybody remember how the press worshiped Carter and then turned on him hard in his last year? Then again they had no clue that Reagan would be the benficary... so I wonder how they would play it this time.

Posted by: Jim From San Diego at July 02, 2009 08:20 PM (H7Rlw)

50 I've already proven my non-partisan bonafides by admitting that I was willing to vote for Romney if Obama or Hillary were not nominated.

Talk is cheap, you ignorant partisan fuck.

Now, other than "WMD!", do you have anything to counter Bolton's conclusions? No? Fuck off, then.

Posted by: Waterhouse at July 02, 2009 08:20 PM (zCXeM)

51 I love John Bolton, I want to marry him but my husband won't let me. Just thought I would share.

Posted by: imtoast at July 02, 2009 08:21 PM (xwdc7)

President Palin is going to have so much repair work to do she will need two terms for sure.

I lost hope. Even if such a thing could come to pass, the only way she could kill the juggernaut that is the nanny state would be to call out the clans and give them pardons for killing all the leftists they could find. A pleasing thought, maybe, but the republic would be no more either way.

If she didn't do that, all we get a setting back socialism by a few years. Is that really a win? If someone has some hope to offer, I'd love to hear it, cuz I just don't trust the political process anymore.

Posted by: Jonathon E. at July 02, 2009 08:22 PM (dQdrY)

53 Third, he is not constrained by the western civilities of PC; that is, he has the original contempt and hatred of anyone of African decent, and regards them as several levels below the Slavs. Watch his body language. He will humiliate Barry.

Posted by: Inigo Montoya at July 02, 2009 08:19 PM (aYL9O)

Yeah, let's not forget what he named that new joint venture with the Nigerians. You know that was a slap at Bambi and they're all having a giggle-fit about it.

Posted by: CB at July 02, 2009 08:23 PM (9Wv2j)

We all know whom we cast a vote for so endorsements wont curry favor.

Ace is like krauthammer in analysis of the situation and I commend him on cutting to the chase.

It's time to be real with ourselves ,(as if we here in the box weren't already there) and let nature take it's course.

Posted by: rblancard at July 02, 2009 08:24 PM (/Yugr)

55 "and wouldn't mind voting for him in 2016."

You silly bunt- Palin will get two terms, which means the soonest you can vote for Romney is in 2020.

Posted by: buster mcDissenter at July 02, 2009 08:24 PM (k8MRc)

56 Pootie-Poot will humiliate D'ohbama.

You're assuming they're actually on opposite sides.

As chummy as Barry is with the commie thugs in South America, and as soft as he is on the mullahs, I've become convinced that he's more of a like mind to the scumbags of the world than he is with representing traditional American interests.

Yes, the former KGB man would wrap the community organizer around his little finger, but you don't think they're really wanting to go two different directions, are you?

Posted by: nickless at July 02, 2009 08:24 PM (MMC8r)

To be honest, we all will be fucked soon, as in the end, there will be only chaos. At least the chaos that Messiah will unleash will be a quicker chaos...

Kinda like ripping a BandAid off?

I don't know about you but I'm ready for the Rapture.

Git me the hell off this rock.

Posted by: ErikW at July 02, 2009 08:24 PM (hKtiw)

58 Pretty heavy and pithy post on a Friday evening. Obviously not cracking open a 40 just yet.

I still believe that Obama is trying desperately to make some sort of Neville Chamberlain-like deal with Iran and declare to the world that we have peace in our times. Of course, he won't see it as a Chamberlain-like deal, but that's what it will be. It will be along the lines of Clinton's little program with the North Koreans. Looks great on paper. But isn't worth dick, especially when one side has no intention of abiding by it.

All the recent actions taken against Iraq's WMD programs: UN/IAEA inspections, embargoes - heck, even going back to Gulf War I - all pale when compared to Israel's bombing of the Osirak nuclear reactor. Iraq never recovered from that bombing. It's chemical and biological weapons programs continued, but the nuclear program was dust. Chemical and biological weapons programs are so easy to make, manufacture and hide that it's almost impossible to stop a nation that really wants them to get one. Turn a couple of knobs and add/subtract some ingredients and the insecticide plant is turing out sarin while the vaccine plant is turning out anthrax.

Not so easy with nuclear weapons. Nuclear reactors tend to stick out, especially the ones with no power lines going out to major metropolitan centers.

I'm pretty sure that's going to be the only thing to stop an Iranian nuclear program is going to be the only thing that stopped the Iraqi program: an Israeli attack.

Posted by: Blogluddite at July 02, 2009 08:24 PM (drTyZ)

59 Pretty heavy and pithy post on a Friday evening.

Did I lose a day to alcohol again?

Posted by: Waterhouse at July 02, 2009 08:25 PM (zCXeM)

the fraud in the WH:

at best: jimmy carter

at worst: Neville Chamberlain (wonder if the fraud even knows who this man is)

my bet is on the second choice

Posted by: johnc -- ex-democrat at July 02, 2009 08:27 PM (ACkhT)

too late to read everything (unfortunately), but didn't we hear that "the people will rally to the regime" nonsense about the Iraqis just before the 2003 invasion? Did they rally to the regime or did they take their rifles to the nearest pawn shop?

But I am also thinking of a story that the old humorist Jack Douglas (he and his beautiful Japanese wife Reiko were regulars on tv talk shows in the 1960s and 70s) told in one of his books: they were on a bus ride in some south Pacific island (c 1962) when the bus broke down. After 30 or 40 minutes, the driver finally got the engine to start; when one of the passenger said something about how the engine would probably break down again, the driver turned the engine off, just to prove it would start again. Which it did, after another 30 or 40 minutes. Obama and his ilk are like that: it really seems as if they want to cause a problem, just to prove they can deal with it. (And when they can't, they either blame someone else - BOOSH... - or insist that they did the best that anyone could have done and if they couldn't solve the problem then no one could have solved it.)

I am thinking of calling this "Leftist Regressive Childhood Syndrome" - like the child who insists on doing something his way, throws a tantrum when he can't get what he wants, and blames his failures on anything and anyone except himself.

Posted by: Ira at July 02, 2009 08:27 PM (a7RyZ)

62 "In short, the stolen election and its tumultuous aftermath have dramatically highlighted the strategic and tactical flaws in Obama's game plan."

Wait...so is Bolton talking about Iran or the 2008 Democratic primaries when he talks about stolen elections?

Posted by: buster mcDissenter at July 02, 2009 08:27 PM (k8MRc)

63 There is no avoiding war; it can only be postponed to the advantage of others.

Posted by: meleager at July 02, 2009 08:28 PM (Mbz0W)

@49 Does anybody remember how the press worshiped Carter and then turned on him hard in his last year?

I didn't see it myself, but my husband told me Helen Thomas unloaded on Bobby Gibbs for trying to control the press, and said it was worse than during the Nixon administration. I've got to go see if it's on youtube.

I'm thinkin, if you've lost Helen Thomas, you've lost the nation.

Posted by: April at July 02, 2009 08:28 PM (8Fbb8)

65 So Ace, I'll take that as a no on my request to say something nice about Obama?

Typical for a partisan hack like you.

Posted by: palin steele (the only person on AoSHQ who doens't know what non-partisan means) at July 02, 2009 08:29 PM (iTt2X)

66 Is it too early in the evening, on a long weekend, for the thread to degenerate into an "I want to ride John Bolton's mustache" theme? C'mon, ParanoidGirlInSeattle, where are you?

Posted by: April at July 02, 2009 08:30 PM (8Fbb8)

67 You're assuming they're actually on opposite sides.

Posted by: nickless at July 02, 2009 08:24 PM (MMC8r)

Yeah, but if Barry does start in with him on the Cold War is over comrade let's all sing Kumbaya. Vlad is going to take that. Barry has bent over to Iran time and time and again and they have told him to fuck off. I think if he tries the "open hand" approach to Vlad he'll be told the same thing.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at July 02, 2009 08:31 PM (/dngc)

68 We're at war. We're at war both internally and externally. The muslims want to kill us, and the left wants to convert us to their crazy assed fucking religion.. (To be fair, the muslims wants us to convert to their crazy fucking religion too. And they have help. Even Pixy's spellchecker tries to ding you if you spell muslim with a small M.)

I'm officially Galt. now.

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at July 02, 2009 08:32 PM (J9wSW)

69 Jean à de longue moustache. Je répète: Jean à de longue moustache.

Posted by: BBC, June 6, 1944 at July 02, 2009 08:32 PM (zCXeM)

70 I really like the mustache's current host. He delivers the entity's wisdom in a very understated manner.

Posted by: toby928 at July 02, 2009 08:32 PM (PD1tk)

71 I wonder if the Saudis will assist the Israelis in bitch-slapping Mullah-Ville?

They might as well. After the attack Iran will lash out at every nation within range. That means you, too, Mr. European.

Watch out for a WMD attack on Baghdad.

Posted by: eman at July 02, 2009 08:33 PM (fpywm)

72 Israel has been cut off by Obama for any type of military hardware. Soooo, what do they have to lose. Do it now, while they have the abilty to do so. Failure to take out the nuke reactor in Iran, equates to the Iranians having first strike advantage over Israel. Simple. Let it be written. Let it be done.

Posted by: Mystry at July 02, 2009 08:34 PM (dIHlE)

73 I've got to go see if it's on youtube.

I'm thinkin, if you've lost Helen Thomas, you've lost the nation.

Posted by: April at July 02, 2009 08:28 PM (8Fbb

AP's got it up at HA, just scroll down a little. It's on the left.

Posted by: CB at July 02, 2009 08:34 PM (9Wv2j)

74 35 #31

To be honest, we all will be fucked soon, as in the end, there will be only chaos. At least the chaos that Messiah will unleash will be a quicker chaos...

Posted by: Kratos (on the back of Gaia, scaling Mt Olympus) at July 02, 2009 08:13 PM (otlXg)

I just hope that the zombies aren't quicker as well.

Posted by: In Exile at July 02, 2009 08:35 PM (Dw6L6)

I'm thinkin, if you've lost Helen Thomas, you've lost the nation.

Posted by: April at July 02, 2009 08:28 PM (8Fbb

I'd like to believe that, but I think things have a way to go before Obama looses control of the national press corps. Helen Thomas is pretty much seen as the crazy aunt under the stairs; she believes what she says, but also believes some pretty loony things too, and everyone knows it. I think she is dead right on the Nixonian angel (I call Obama the black Nixon) but the rest of the press is still eating out of his hands and that will not change until he burns them over some perceived slight. Then the honeymoon will be over and the knives will come out on both sides.

Posted by: Jim From San Diego at July 02, 2009 08:36 PM (H7Rlw)

76 Yes, the former KGB man would wrap the community organizer around his little finger, but you don't think they're really wanting to go two different directions, are you?

Yes. Pootie-Poot may have latent communist ideals, but make no mistake, he is a take-no-prisoners Russian Nationalist.

I think that his obvious ties to the old Soviet machinery are overstated. He knows that it couldn't be resurrected, and that some new entity if the only future. As such, Barry wouldn't be a partner, he'd be a dupe and a slave.

Posted by: Inigo Montoya at July 02, 2009 08:37 PM (aYL9O)

Makes me think of the old 671 Detroit Diesel engine.Lots of screaming supercharged rpm,no brute torque.You had to run it against the governor to get anywhere.Cool noise,but slow movement.

Yes folks it's an Analogy,but my point is this.The Messiah thinks that giving good rhetoric with soft diplomacy is equal to brute force by any other means.That faulty thinking can only be from being a elitist community organizer with no actual life experience.

I say that when Israel decides to let the dogs of war loose we sit back and say to ourselves;that's how you handle your buisness.

Getchasome.

Posted by: rblancard at July 02, 2009 08:39 PM (/Yugr)

With a dictator supporting fraud like Hussein as president we no longer have the moral authority and it was made abundantly clear when Hussein sided with Chavez, Castro and Ahmadinejad in support of Zelaya -the Honduran former president- who tried to play dictator.

Israel, do what must be done. Do not pretend that a nuclear Iran could be tolerable; you will pay for it with the blood of your citizens and the ruin of your nation. You have a window of opportunity to not only destroy the islamists nuclear facilities but an opportunity to encourage and inspire the uprising in Iran to go for the prize: freedom.

While all nations on this globe have abandoned you God has not; destroy your enemies and their ability to destroy you.

Posted by: The Great Satan™ at July 02, 2009 08:39 PM (71Zq0)

79 Another possibility for Israel (if it is actually possible to do), is wait until just before Iran actually has the NUKE. Naturally all of the world's intel agencies are closely scrutinizing this situation. If Israel can infiltrate a missile team into IRAN with a nuclear tipped weapon and launch it at Israel. By this time the rhetoric coming from Iran will be a steady droning about "wiping Israel off the map" etc. Israel can then shoot the missile down with their ABM stuff, then declare nuclear war on Iran. The world will be shitting bricks because while intel services will think they have a pretty good handle on what Iran has and where, they can't be sure. Next Israel gets the IAEA in there to verify that the wreckage of the missile fired at them was a nuclear missile (WMD), and then respond in kind by using a low yield weapon to take out Iran's nuke facilities followed by a demand for their unconditional surrender. Even if some countries smell a rat, they will probably be privately relieved and they will have the perfect excuse to isolate Iran with a complete trade embargo. Also opposing Israel at this time will be like playing that pair of twos when there is $500,000 on the table.

Posted by: Bozo at July 02, 2009 08:40 PM (4uAeQ)

mustache ride souvenir

every AoS gal will want one

Posted by: Larry Braverman at July 02, 2009 08:41 PM (KOkrW)

81 I am thinking of calling this "Leftist Regressive Childhood Syndrome" - like the child who insists on doing something his way, throws a tantrum when he can't get what he wants, and blames his failures on anything and anyone except himself.

Excellent analogy, brutal in its aptness.

Posted by: HeatherRadish at July 02, 2009 08:43 PM (YzDEL)

82
Empty out a boomer and use the survivors as extras in zombie movies

Hate to tell you, but the 'Stache is a boomer (born 11/20/4

Posted by: PA Cat at July 02, 2009 08:44 PM (fbBAt)

83 Did I lose a day to alcohol again?

Damn, get out of my head Waterhouse.

Posted by: Dang Straights at July 02, 2009 08:45 PM (B0Wuo)

Hate to tell you, but the 'Stache is a boomer

Boomer is Navy slang for a ballistic missle submarine.

Posted by: Jonathon E. at July 02, 2009 08:46 PM (dQdrY)

85 82,

You know what "empty out a boomer" means, right?

Posted by: eman at July 02, 2009 08:47 PM (fpywm)

86 When the mustache rode Bismark, he was a lot scrappier, but it was harder to understand what he had to say.

Posted by: toby928 at July 02, 2009 08:48 PM (PD1tk)

87 76 Yes, the former KGB man would wrap the community organizer around his little finger, but you don't think they're really wanting to go two different directions, are you?

One of them wants to restore communism to glory. The other is a former KGB agent

Posted by: kbdabear at July 02, 2009 08:48 PM (0Lv+U)

Democrats have always believed things were hopeless and it is better to strike a deal with the devil. Even back in the civil war days, the dems were willing to sell out the slaves to accommodate the southerners. They were willing to remain in detente during the cold war, they were willing to absorb the hit of 9/11, blame it on us, and carry on after a few heated denouncements.

But during the last half of President Bush's term, he, too, changed his demeanor toward Iran and I assumed he knew they already had the bomb.

Posted by: J at July 02, 2009 08:50 PM (Ty7DK)

You know what "empty out a boomer" means, right?

24 empty tubes, mushroom clouds on the horizon, and it's Miller time.

Posted by: Jonathon E. at July 02, 2009 08:50 PM (dQdrY)

90 85 Yep, but couldn't resist jerking 7 around a bit.

Posted by: PA Cat at July 02, 2009 08:51 PM (fbBAt)

Where the hell is rdbrewer,naan and the rest of the cutthroats on this one?

Musta be keeping a very low profile,and boning up for some tea tossing good-times.

Did I say Israel is good and Iran needs to be put down?

Time for another drink....

Posted by: rblancard at July 02, 2009 08:52 PM (/Yugr)

92 When a former KGB agent gives the President of the United States a copy of "The Wealth of Nations" and says " Have a smart person read this to you, Fucknut", you know you stopped drinking too soon.

Posted by: eman at July 02, 2009 08:52 PM (fpywm)

93 April @64....oh, you just have to see it! It's a true classic...first the guy from CBS [!!!] and then Helen Thomas, and old not-so-glib-Gibb doesn't get it at all.....
I'm going to throw it up on my site in a bit so everyone can enjoy it.

Posted by: christmasghost at July 02, 2009 08:53 PM (aUut1)

94 So Allah once again thinks bright and sunny optimism that Obama won't let anything really bad happen. He only drains the energy from a room with conservatives in it.

"If General McClellan does not want to use the army, I would like to borrow it for a time." - Abraham Lincoln to George McClellan

Posted by: kbdabear at July 02, 2009 08:54 PM (0Lv+U)

95 I think he really does believe he can negotiate in good faith with the mullahs and get them to trade away their nukes with his silvery tongue. - Posted by: chemjeff

I agree with your posited motivation of Obama but Ace's tract doesn't disallow that. If I read the text correctly, he's only focusing on Obama's deeds and words, not motivation. A person's motivation is always the most difficult element to conclusively deduce, and it is pretty much a waste of time.

Posted by: Iskandar at July 02, 2009 08:54 PM (qk0Ux)

President Chucklehead's campaign rhetoric and all the caterwauling from the Left over the last 5 years about the evil of preemptive military action have now tied Chucklehead's hands vis a vis Iran. He now has no choice but to eat up whatever shit sandwich they serve. And Iran knows it. And Israel knows it.

Posted by: Larry Braverman at July 02, 2009 08:54 PM (KOkrW)

97
> It is easier to beg for forgiveness than to obtain permission.

Your ideas are intriguing to me and I wish to subscribe to your blog.

---------
yeahhh, I think you have the game plan all laid out.

Anything we can do about it?

I don't see the point in agitating at my congressman or senator - this is a foreign policy thing. Executive Branch.

Public pressure? Hmmm. "I propose that Pres. Obama do a military strike on the Iranian Nuclear Program." For anybody below the President that's a mighty tough sell.

I'm stumped. I mean, I know how I could deal with Iran - if I was in charge - but I don't see how to get Obama to do something.

Posted by: Comrade Arthur at July 02, 2009 08:56 PM (/xTOa)

98 Plan B? Fucking Plan B?! There will be no Plan B! Plan A always fucking works, because its THE plan. My fucking plan, cock suckers!!!!

Haaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrrrrgggghhhhhhhhhhhhhh!! [Klingon gutter howl to indicate a desire to fight onto death]

I got you "Plan B" right here, hoss! Bring it, bitches.

Posted by: Michelle Obama at July 02, 2009 08:57 PM (4iIhs)

99 Empty out a boomer

Is this another euphemism to avoid getting flagged on the ONT?

Posted by: OregonMuse at July 02, 2009 08:57 PM (zDhnq)

100

Speaking of "emptying a boomer" are those things readily reloaded and put back into service or is an Ohio class pretty much a one-time-use weapon after they have launched their entire compliment of SLBMs?

Posted by: Jim From San Diego at July 02, 2009 08:57 PM (H7Rlw)

101 Allah is a big pussy.

Posted by: ken at July 02, 2009 08:57 PM (9zzk+)

102 There's no way an Israel/US attack on Iran will result in anything but a complete backlash for GWOT. Only someone as stupid as Bolton believes Iranians would rally to topple the theocracy. No way. An attack would make matters far worse than the remote threat of an Iran bomb. In fact, an attack would only accelerate development and likely radicalize the regime to later proliferate the technology elsewhere

And in any case, the US is far too busy in Afghan/Pak/Iraq to risk confrontation with Iran.

Finally, with Iraq oil and gas online, the west can effectively suppress prices and squeeze the regime with sanctions.

Posted by: Moloch at July 02, 2009 08:58 PM (w+6bX)

103 Also, Putin is going to roll Obama like a drunken hobo.

Posted by: OregonMuse at July 02, 2009 08:58 PM (zDhnq)

104 Jeez just went over to HA, one of the commentors put up a link to Allah's twitters. Does he always look down on and talk shit about his readers? Seems like kind of a dick move to piss on the people that keep him in business. What the fuck's his problem?

Posted by: carl hungus at July 02, 2009 08:59 PM (7b51Q)

105 Pardon me whilst I repair to my bunk and "empty out a boomer", if you know what I mean...

Posted by: OregonMuse at July 02, 2009 09:00 PM (zDhnq)

106 I agree with your posited motivation of Obama but Ace's tract doesn't disallow that. If I read the text correctly, he's only focusing on Obama's deeds and words, not motivation. A person's motivation is always the most difficult element to conclusively deduce, and it is pretty much a waste of time.

Posted by: Iskandar at July 02, 2009 08:54 PM (qk0Ux)

Obama's motivation is... Obama.

Posted by: Larry Braverman at July 02, 2009 09:00 PM (KOkrW)

107 So Allah once again thinks bright and sunny optimism that Obama won't let anything really bad happen. Posted by: kbdabear

Allah just said they should wait a bit longer, not forget about. I don't see the part where he's just relying on optimism.

Posted by: Iskandar at July 02, 2009 09:00 PM (qk0Ux)

108 Yip yip yip! Ruff! Ruff! Ruff! [Ferocious-ishly humps UN's leg].

Posted by: Achmedinejad the Persian Poodle at July 02, 2009 09:00 PM (4iIhs)

109 Kind of silly but funny when you think of it. A Freeper reveal's Allah's secret identity

Anybody think AllahPundit from HotAir is Joe Scarborough?

Posted by: kbdabear at July 02, 2009 09:01 PM (0Lv+U)

110 Also, Putin is going to roll Obama like a drunken hobo.

* * *YES * * *

This darlings, is tonight's Thread Winner.

Posted by: Inigo Montoya at July 02, 2009 09:02 PM (aYL9O)

111

The 3:00AM Wake Up

Mr. President wake up! Mr. President, Iran has just destroyed all of Israel with several nuclear missiles.

Dear Leader: You woke me up just to tell me that? Get the fuck out of my bedroom and don't ever disturb me early in the morning for shit like that again.

Posted by: Sparky at July 02, 2009 09:03 PM (J1f2W)

112 104 Jeez just went over to HA, one of the commentors put up a link to Allah's twitters. Does he always look down on and talk shit about his readers?

Yes, quite often

Seems like kind of a dick move to piss on the people that keep him in business. What the fuck's his problem?

He wants to please Meghan McCain and David Frum

Posted by: kbdabear at July 02, 2009 09:03 PM (0Lv+U)

113 100 No problem reloading them.The missiles are ejected by gas generators and don't ignite until they break the surface.

Posted by: steevy at July 02, 2009 09:05 PM (GCpdy)

114

I think our friend from San Diego already knows that answer.

As far as the Messiah ever taking preemptive action;I think not is the simplest conclusion.

That would be too much of an strategic decision and the consequences would be detrimental to his base,the cowards that they are.

The messiah is in way over his game,not withstanding his holding of printed coin,but not the balls to carry the action.

Can we say POTUS is a mangina?

Posted by: rblancard at July 02, 2009 09:06 PM (/Yugr)

115 April...it's up. Everybody enjoy the laugh. We have to get them while we can....

Posted by: christmasghost at July 02, 2009 09:07 PM (aUut1)

116 If Allah likes chubby girls with an inflated sense of self-worth and an unearned sense of accomplishment, he could just hang out in college bars and pick up on sophmores.

Posted by: carl hungus at July 02, 2009 09:08 PM (7b51Q)

117 He wants to please Meghan McCain and David Frum

Shit, all he needs to do to please her is throw a stick of butter in her direction.

Posted by: Unclefacts at July 02, 2009 09:11 PM (vZVv7)

118 #113 #100 absolutely. They can be reloaded. But it would take a while. During that time they would be quite vulnerable. Not many places to do it either.

Posted by: Mystry at July 02, 2009 09:11 PM (dIHlE)

119 116 If Allah likes chubby girls with an inflated sense of self-worth and an unearned sense of accomplishment, he could just hang out in college bars and pick up on sophmores.

AP wants to hang with the "cool kids" and only goes through the pretensions because MM is still signing his paychecks. He's another Schmidt/Wallace type who'll sell us out for a reference from Frum for an MSM job or a rump ride with Meghan

Posted by: kbdabear at July 02, 2009 09:12 PM (0Lv+U)

120 That makes sense. Why is Michelle Malkin associated with him?

Posted by: carl hungus at July 02, 2009 09:14 PM (7b51Q)

121 Anybody think AllahPundit from HotAir is Joe Scarborough?

Posted by: kbdabear at July 02, 2009 09:01 PM (0Lv+U)

Allah, married with children? Highly unlikely.

Posted by: CB at July 02, 2009 09:17 PM (9Wv2j)

122

As far as the Messiah ever taking preemptive action;I think not is the simplest conclusion.

At this point it wouldn't surprise me if he ordered a preemptive strike on Tel Aviv. The UN would pat him on the back, and he'd probably win a Nobel peace prize.

Posted by: Jonathon E. at July 02, 2009 09:19 PM (dQdrY)

123 I kind of wonder what most intel agencies think would happen if Iran actually nuked Israel. I am talking about Israel's response. Do they think Israel would respond in kind and destroy Iran because to most they could live with that....But I wonder if Israel let "accidently"slip (through counterintelligence) to an American, Russian or Chinese spy, that they would nuke Russia instead with 80 nukes. The response would be the same as if Russia launched 500 missiles at us! World wide nuclear war with no country left untouched. Would Russia, America or China would take out Iran's nukes in its own interest?

Posted by: Bozo at July 02, 2009 09:30 PM (4uAeQ)

124 Posted by: BBC, June 6, 1944 at July 02, 2009 08:32 PM (zCXeM)

Also in Red Dawn.

Posted by: DCA at July 02, 2009 09:34 PM (B/ptC)

125 We are in for some weird times, good luck to us all.

Posted by: carl hungus at July 02, 2009 09:36 PM (7b51Q)

126 113 100 No problem reloading them.The missiles are ejected by gas generators and don't ignite until they break the surface.

Posted by: steevy at July 02, 2009 09:05 PM (GCpdy

118 #113 #100 absolutely. They can be reloaded. But it would take a while. During that time they would be quite vulnerable. Not many places to do it either.

Thanks you two! I always wondered about that.

Posted by: Jim From San Diego at July 02, 2009 09:41 PM (H7Rlw)

127 Pootie Poot will absolutely molest Little Joe II. He will talk the talk and walk the walk, all the while he will do whatever the hell he wants behind the scenes while Little Joe II huffs and puffs for the cameras.

Pootie Poo does not want the Soviet Union back, he wants to be "Oz"...the man behind the curtain that really, truly calls all the shots in his hemisphere, yet takes no blame and has no recourse for his actions.

A silent dictator if you will.

Israel: Hell, they need to place one of their satellites overhead to over-broadcast a television signal for all of Iran to see, Announce that Israel is taking out the mad mullahs nuke program for the safety of all in the middle east.....broadcast it about 5 minutes before the bombs hit -- make sure the technicians die.

Next, send a message to Little Joe II, stating that if you badmouth us we will start handling diplomacy here in the ME our way. Then we will make it known how much of a pussy you are over and over again.

Bolton should be in every president's team, regardless of party affiliation. He cares only for America's safety and knows best how to handle it with zero regard of the political falllout; someone like that is vital when dealing with security and American interests home and abroad. I wish we could clone him.

AP is squishy.

Go Ace.

Posted by: Navtechie at July 02, 2009 09:44 PM (jb7Od)

128

Israel's best bet is to beat Iran to the punch, and nuke them before the Iranians get a chance to "wipe Israel off the map" as their chosen and elected leaders constantly threaten to do. At this point, it really does not matter for Israel what the Iranian people want: Either the Iranian people support the mullahs, and their nuclear plans, or they do not have the power to stop them. And given that the Iranian program is large, hardened, dispersed across a large country and has multiple programs (uranium enrichment and plutonium production) progressing at the same time, conventional strikes won't be enough.

And, Israel has to face the fact that she is alone, because Ace and Bolton are quite right about Obama. He has no problem with Iran getting nukes and using them. He is a follower of Jeremiah Wright, don't forget.

Posted by: BattleofthePyramids at July 02, 2009 09:44 PM (fs0FX)

129

Inigo is right, Putin is a Russian nationalist, a Czar in all but a crown. And not one of the good Czars like the ones that sold us Alaska.He has rebuked Obama for his fiscal insanity, a crony capitalist but a capitalist none the same. He doesn't give a damn about Kyoto or global warming, in fact he would like to accelerate it if at all possible to make the Arctic resources more accessible. Of course he will take advantage of the One's boundless naivete or delusions . I've no doubt that they are strongly backing the Iranian hardliners, a chart by an Iranian dissident group listed a Mr. Shamanoff, as one of the players behind the Ahmadinejad coup. We need a clear eyed pragmatist cut from similar stock, to deal with him. the Akhanitsa, or Huntress, that what some were calling her during the campaign. That's not just descriptive but a sign of respect

Posted by: ian cormac at July 02, 2009 09:47 PM (1kwr2)

130 Mr. President wake up! Mr. President, Iran has just destroyed all of Israel with several nuclear missiles.

All Iran has to do is successfully test a nuclear weapon and Israel will empty out.

No need to actually launch anything at them.

Posted by: poon at July 02, 2009 09:47 PM (i31Zq)

131

Ten years from now, these months will be viewed as the greatest failure of American Foreign policy, The failure to take advantage of the protest of Iran, to help foster a more moderate govenment, and the backing of a Honduran dictator wannabe.

Posted by: Picric at July 02, 2009 09:56 PM (ivZgc)

132 I say we bomb the Norks and make it look like the Canadians did it.

Posted by: retardo at July 02, 2009 10:07 PM (1QEgS)

133

No. 130:

And, where do you think they can go? No one will allow the population of Israel to settle somewhere else, assuming they would want to leave. No. Israel has to fight or die. Those are her options. And what, exactly, makes you think Iran wouldn't launch? They are already on record as having declared their intention to. They cannot be deterred, since to them, death is a promotion.

Posted by: BattleofthePyramids at July 02, 2009 10:11 PM (fs0FX)

134
Kudos, Ace, that was a spot-on, excellent analysis. Containing multiple I-told-you-so points, so cache this post well. This is the kind of intellectual honesty we will not see from the Times, Post, ABC, CBS, NBC, or any of the other so-called media big wigs.

Posted by: Hughie at July 02, 2009 10:20 PM (iGqcN)

135 A shorter version would be that Obama is a fuckup and has never had either a good idea or any notable achievement in his life. It doesn't matter if he means well or doesn't, or whether he has an honest plan or ulterior motives. He sucks, and he is incapable of doing anything right. It should be assumed that anything he does is wrong because he has an unbroken string of failures, old discredited ideas, and lies.

Posted by: ken at July 02, 2009 10:34 PM (9zzk+)

136 #128 See my blog #72 It almost states the same thing in other words!

Posted by: Mystry at July 02, 2009 10:34 PM (dIHlE)

137

As the world turns...Hilary backs out of Russia trip, but hires old fix-it buddy Sidney Blumenthal to assist her at State. This folllowing the Wonder Boy's refusal to follow her advice and talk tough to Iran plus not keeping her in the loop. What's brewing?

And what goodies would Pootey have on Wonder Boy in the KBG file?

Posted by: auto da fe at July 02, 2009 11:02 PM (SYV5b)

138

the mustache speaks truth,

and Ace lays it out pretty clear... Obama is not going to stop the Mullahs from getting their nukes.

Isreal has no choice, they'll have to act at some point

Posted by: Shoey at July 02, 2009 11:09 PM (RxUMK)

139

He said Medvedev understands that, but Putin needs convincing that the U.S. wants cooperation rather than "an antagonistic relationship."

Does anyone remember when George Bush had his first press conference with Putin, the first time he went to Europe? Putin presented him with some letter that revealed something about Clinton...I can't remember what it was exactly, but I remember thinking that Vlad was sticking the knife in Clinton just for fun.

Obama is an obvious amateur, to say stuff like this to the press. He's going to be really sorry, really soon.

Posted by: Miss Marple at July 02, 2009 11:20 PM (Vli7s)

140 Obama vis-a-vis the Iranians, will go down in in the history books as our version of Neville Chamberlain.

Posted by: GarandFan at July 02, 2009 11:21 PM (C3okI)

141

If Iran gets nukes, so will assorted Islamic terrorists. Oh, wait, they already have 'em in Pah-kee-stahn.

We (not just Israel) are fucked. Only question now is what will the rebuilding be like? It's hard to see the Traitorcrats running things after President Pantywaist blungers into a series of nuclear detonations. Then again, the alternatives aren't looking so rosy, either.

I don't think that President Pantywaist thinks much further than his legislative aganda, and his daily fix of hero-worship by the state-run media.

Posted by: Mehgan McCain at July 02, 2009 11:27 PM (i6cFP)

142 They are already on record as having declared their intention to.

A great deal of irony there considering the topic of this thread is a lunatic who held a (temporary) high-level position in the previous American administration calling for a nuclear attack on Iran, pyramids.

Posted by: poon at July 02, 2009 11:28 PM (i31Zq)

143 The room is pretty divided on how intelligent O actually is. Is he dumb as bricks or actually the smartest guy in the room and gives zippy de doo daaa about blogs saying he's inept. After all, he's won an election, taken over the banks and auto industry and thus far blamed everything on W.

Regardless, how about this scenario. Ace's take is that O realizes he can't/won't stop the mullahs from acquiring the bomb, but he can't admit publicly that he has no sac, so he stalls, and will play the "wha wha whatttt?" card when informed Iran magically has a bomb and take the heat then blame it on W. But, what if he views Israel and his ability to deter them from preempting in the same light. IOW, he talks tougher to Israel, demands more of them, and seems to diss them at every turn, knowing full well they are already in countdown mode. But, after the strike, he appears to have been tough on Israel and can still stand before the Islamic world with "clean" hands.

I it comes down to this, either O knows he's an empty suit and can't really shape any events, he's doomed to react to everything and hope he can keep the gig up for 2 terms. Or, he really does believe he can convince anyone opposed to him to change course. Care to lay odds?

The Israeli question isn't so much how Habib Q Public in Iran will react to a preemptive fireworks display. The tougher and more serious question is how will Russia and China react?

Posted by: The Hammer at July 02, 2009 11:32 PM (YBTwf)

144 Because they buried the Natanz and Bushehr facilities underground, numbnuts.. What do you think oil prices will rise when the Iranians have nukes and have missiles to target them any place in the Middle East. Do you think Egypt and Saudi Arabia, will stint in their own nuclear program.

Posted by: ian cormac at July 02, 2009 11:33 PM (GkYyh)

145 God love ya, Ace, but you just said the same thing about 12 times in that article.

Posted by: DrZin at July 02, 2009 11:35 PM (CQuij)

146

Obama's plan A:

Israel bombs Iran.

Blame it on the Joooooos!

Posted by: Uncle Jefe at July 03, 2009 12:18 AM (s3NA7)

147 President Palin and Vice-President Bolton will have their work cut out for them as they confront the steaming pile the previous Administration left on the Nation's front porch.

Remember that war is nothing more than just another form of diplomacy. That's why they'll leave the prosecution of any war to SecDef Duncan Hunter and intelligence analysis to National Security Advisor and former Doobie Brother Jeff "Skunk" Baxter.

Posted by: David in San Diego at July 03, 2009 12:42 AM (GF+6V)

148

Posted by: Miss Marple at July 02, 2009 11:20 PM (Vli7s)

I do remember hearing something of that nature, but I tried Googling it and I'm getting nothing. Anyone have any more info on that?

Posted by: Jim From San Diego at July 03, 2009 12:50 AM (H7Rlw)

149 Great post, Ace! Yeah, our Great Pretender is living in his own land of make believe whereby the power of his sheer cultlike personality can get everyone to come to the table, lay down their arms and link arms singing "Obama, Kum bay yah."

Posted by: runningrn at July 03, 2009 12:54 AM (p9lFf)

150 Allah is a pussy. He is the Neville Chamberlain of conservative blogs.

Equivocate all you want Allahpundit, the world needs an ass kicking and it's just around the corner.

Posted by: Leatherneck at July 03, 2009 12:54 AM (p4XkY)

151 Ace,
I agree with everyone else here that your analysis is brilliant.

However, maybe I'm just dense, but I still want someone to explain to me WHY Obama is so unbothered by the probability of Iran having nukes. It bothers all the rest of us, why doesn't it bother HIM?

Posted by: Kathy from Kansas at July 03, 2009 01:03 AM (UtwrP)

152 Also, Putin is going to roll Obama like a drunken hobo.

He took lessons from Ace?

Posted by: David in San Diego at July 03, 2009 01:09 AM (GF+6V)

153 If someone has some hope to offer, I'd love to hear it, cuz I just don't trust the political process anymore.

Posted by: Jonathon E. at July 02, 2009 08:22 PM (dQdrY)

Democracy depends on a populace that is:

1) Well-informed

2) Motivated/ Involved/ Committed (to preserving their liberty)

3) In line with some sort of basic moral compass.

It does seeem that Americans, taken as a whole, do flunk these three things.

Posted by: Kathy from Kansas at July 03, 2009 01:14 AM (UtwrP)

154

No. 151, Kathy:

As far as I can tell, Obama is a firm believer in moral equivalence. He doesn't see the difference, or if he does he doesn't care, between Islamic Fascist regiemes such as Iran getting nukes and US allies such as England and France having nukes. So if one can have them the other can too. There is probably also the fact that the only way to stop the Iranian nuclear program is by pre-emptive military strike and that is unthinkable to Obama.

No. 142, poon.

So you agree with me that the leadership of Iran is on record as threatening Israel with nuclear genocide and the population of Israel has no where to go? Good. By the way, if you take the time to actually read what Ace posted, no where does Bolton make the arguement I am making. He is simply saying diplomacy will fail and Israel will have to act and of course he is right. Irony is really irrelevant here.

Posted by: BattleofthePyramids at July 03, 2009 01:15 AM (mZhsX)

155 However, maybe I'm just dense, but I still want someone to explain to me WHY Obama is so unbothered by the probability of Iran having nukes. It bothers all the rest of us, why doesn't it bother HIM?

Posted by: Kathy from Kansas at July 03, 2009 01:03 AM (UtwrP)

Considering Obama'past associations I don't think he really cares if it's just some Jews potentially getting killed, but instead he thinks that it could be a real politique bargaining chip and a means to constructively "guide" Iran if he allows them to have just a little WMDs they will behave in other areas. It makes sense if you are completely immoral and very bad at assessing risk.

Posted by: Jim From San Diego at July 03, 2009 01:17 AM (H7Rlw)

156
> 151... WHY Obama is so unbothered by the probability of Iran having nukes. It bothers all the rest of us, why doesn't it bother HIM?

Posted by: Kathy from Kansas

Obama thinks they won't mess with him because he's the nice guy.

Posted by: Comrade Arthur at July 03, 2009 01:18 AM (/xTOa)

157 ...the population of Israel has no where to go

I don't agree with that.

Israel will have to act

I believe Israel is powerless to stop Iran's nuclear program.

Posted by: poon at July 03, 2009 01:52 AM (i31Zq)

158 ""They cannot be deterred, since to them, death is a promotion.""

well then, I say we hand them all general's stars and then roast their fucking silly ass.

Posted by: Berserker at July 03, 2009 02:41 AM (gWHrG)

159 Count on it - the Isaelis WILL act when they feel they can't wait any longer for security reasons. I just hope it doesn't start a wide-range Middle East war.

Posted by: JEA at July 03, 2009 08:02 AM (ER84o)

160 Excellent analysis. I came to the exact same conclusion the moment he was elected.

The bottom line is that he will under no circumstances go to war with Iran. Iran will under no circumstances give up its nukes, therefore Israel must act.

Posted by: Chris Jones at July 03, 2009 08:58 AM (wg/TB)

161 I am thinking that if the Israelis had nuked Iran in the middle of the Michael Jackson non stop death reporting, nobody would know about it.

That suggests that whenever Israel wants to take on the Iranians, they should send a team of Mossad agents into Hollywood to inject superstars with fatal drug overdoses. If they kill off enough of them at a rate of one every few days, by the time the media gets around to reporting anything else, the Iran strike will be old news and nobody will care.

Posted by: Gilligan at July 03, 2009 09:07 AM (W+ZCl)

162 #148

Jim from San Diego, I am remembering it this way. Putin had a declassified letter in which he requested the consideration that Russia be a partner to NATO. This was a very big step for Russia to take. The letter had been sent to members of NATO.

Albright brushed him off, saying "We're not going to talk about this now." That was the total response. Putin declassified that letter in order to demonstrate that their efforts had been rebuffed, and while doing so he was complimetary to Bush for at least leaving the door open for discussions.

Subsequently, of course, the Iraq war put a stop to such overtures, but at the time I thought that Putin must have been really pissed to go to such trouble and to deliberately show how the Clinton Adminstration had messed up in their relations with Russia.

Posted by: Miss Marple at July 03, 2009 09:11 AM (Vli7s)

163

Bolton should be in every president's team, regardless of party affiliation. He cares only for America's safety and knows best how to handle it with zero regard of the political falllout; someone like that is vital when dealing with security and American interests home and abroad. I wish we could clone him.

Amen to that. But I'm not sure Democrats are real good at dealing with people who don't toe the PC line.

Posted by: RM at July 03, 2009 12:15 PM (1kwr2)

164 Bonkers Bolton strikes again. The same Bolton that predicted Iraq would be a two week wonder. We still have 130 thousand troops in Iraq. If Israel bombs Iran then our troops will become a sitting duck to an outraged Shit majority population. There are 25 thousand Americans living in Lebanon. They will become kidnapping targets for Hezbollah. One this for certain, what ever Bonkers Bolton is for we should do the exact opposite.

Posted by: William R at July 03, 2009 12:28 PM (m2L69)

165 Bolton-Fingers '12!

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166 The same Bolton that predicted Iraq would be a two week wonder.

Did he? I don't recall that. Is that just an Paulette ass-pull, or can you provide a link to his statement?

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