1 Someone needs to put Axelrod on the down side of Astroturf (i.e. the pushing up daisies side!).  That little turd is responsible for giving us our current embarrassment known as The President.  I'd give my left nut for some real journalism.  If we had real journalist, this fucking retard wouldn't have a job because without a friendly press corps, he would be fucking laughed off of the stage.

2 Well, good to see that Warren is back on the side of the sane. Does this mean that he is no longer Barack's BFF?

3 This bill actually, they call it a job killer, it will create millions of green jobs, the jobs of the future.

Yup, millions of maroons living in the wrong zone for optimum solar gain will take a tax deduction to spend more money than they should to buy something that will underperform for far less than its life expectancy. That'll fix the economy.

Gawd, this is Jimmy Carter all over again. Where is our next Ronald Reagan to laugh at this clown and put him in his place?

4 If Cap and Trade is the way it's gonna be, I will take grim satisfaction that the 52% are gonna get rat fucked. Big time. Oh, Warren?. Fuck you.

5 It would be nice if we had something like an independent media to ask some tough questions.  Like, why not just give everyone a shovel and have them make money by digging holes in their back yard and filling them back in.  We could  have 100% employment tomorrow if we did that.  Yeah, there is no market for such work and the government will have to foot the bill roughly for forever but that is really no different than all of the green jobs we are creating.  It also has the virtue of being more honest.

The kicker is that even the proponents admit that all of this will have absolutely no measurable effect on the CO2 in the atmosphere.  We are doing it just to appease the votaries of the state religion.

The country has had a psychotic break with reality. 

6 Hey, fuck you very much, Warren Buffett. 

7

Love that Boehner called the bill a pile of shit!

8   Well, good to see that Warren is back on the side of the sane. Does this mean that he is no longer Barack's BFF?

No, this is just cover now that the damage has been done.  There's bound to be an angle where Buffet is making a killing on kickbacks from cap & tax.  I used to have respect for Buffet, now he's just another piece of shit like Soros.

9 I will take grim satisfaction that the 52% are gonna get rat fucked. Big time.

I can just go off into the woods and drop a couple trees and heat my home quite nicely. Electric bill is no biggy for me. The bigger problem is that every business with freshly impoverished employees has to either:
1. Raise prices to pay them more money
2. Go out of business
3. Lay off employees to pay more dollars to fewer employees
Which will either:
1. Cause massive inflation
2. Cause massive unemployment
3. Cause stagflation

I hope Obama realizes his 'legacy' will be a bunch of legislation that gets repealed in 2012.

10 is anyone watching axelrod on stephanolp?

axelrod is truly evil - and georgie is blowing, didnt even push back at all on axelrod fraud re
"job creation" under cap and tax.

the difference between georgie on conservative guests ( i saw him attack and follow up pushing back on romney last week) and libs is stark.

11 Axelrod is still an idiot.  Most poor and lower middle class folks live in homes built years ago with substandard insulation and pay significantly MORE for their heat or air (if they have air conditioning). This is just another of the Donks programs to keep them poor and in a position to have their vote bought by the Democrats by giving them a little government stipend.  If the government can increase the number of people dependent on it, the Democrats can cruise to victory for years to come and the country is doomed.

12 "they will get help with their energy bill"
I heard or read (I can't remember which need to go and find it) that the poor will actually get a monthly deposit right into their bank acct of choice that will offset the increase in the energy bill.
Off I go to find that...

13

That was Jimmy Buffett, wasn't it?  Wasted away again on tax and spending bills/ Searching for my last penny to drop/  Some people claim it's the Democrats to blame/  But I know it's my own damned fault.

Something like that.

14 stephanolpolis the jackass just said "you're looking at 9 or 10 percent unemployment in september"

uh, we're already at 9.4, georgie.

and he let axelrod off the hook, didnt even mention their stimulus prediction of capped at 8%.

do you think georgie would have let rove off is bush and obama traded places?

15 > This bill actually, they call it a job killer, it will create millions of green jobs, the jobs of the future. We've lost millions of jobs in the recession that began last year and continues....

Blame BOOOOOSH!

16 "Conservatives" worrying about the taxes the poor have to pay?

I'm sure it's heartfelt, not just partisan whining.

17 Okay, it was on Rush's show Friday. Here is the paragraph:

Section 432, Energy Refund Program For Low Income Consumers: "(1) The Administrator of the Environmental Protection Agency, or the agency designated by the Administrator shall formulate and administer the 'Energy Refund Program'. (2) At the request of the State agency, eligible low-income households within the State shall receive a monthly cash energy refund equal to the estimated loss in purchasing power resulting from this Act."

18 Yep, the Dems have been using the government to buy votes for nearly 100 years.

It works great! Why stop?

Pray for an asteroid.

19 invitation still open to iran - so says axelrod and rice - and both said all it takes is nuclear concessions - protesters be DAMNED.

fucking pathetic these bastards are in charge.

20 Thank you Democrats for handing us an issue that is so incredibly good that even the Republican party might not screw it up. I have seen just a glimmer of hope via some of the Republicans who are finally standing up for the country again. 

21 "Conservatives" worrying about the taxes the poor have to pay?

I'm sure it's heartfelt, not just partisan whining.

And it wouldn't be - why?

22 Fucking unreal.

If an average low info voter was watching Georgie, by his questions to Grassley, they'd think that the President is being "forced" by the GOP to raise taxes on those who make less than 250k.

Orwellian bullshit.

23 "poon": did you ever go out and find a job, or are you still mooching off your dad and your "wife"? Warren Buffett: Should have thought of that before you voted for the Communist, moron.

24 "Millions of green jobs"....god help us

And another thing - what the hell is Axelrod??  He's a campaign strategist, Obama's version of Carville. So why the hell is he being trotted out all the time to defend policy?  What the fuck does he know about policy?  Why would anyone give a shit what he has to say?

25 The Recovering Republic is coming to a continent near you.

26 16 "Conservatives" worrying about the taxes the poor have to pay?

I'm sure it's heartfelt, not just partisan whining.

Posted by: poon at June 28, 2009 10:14 AM (i31Zq)

Poon, conservatives worry about everyone's taxes.  unlike you, who hates all rich people.  so fuck off.

27 poon, green jobs, doesn't mean you can smoke weed in the morning. Before making stupid comments, asshole.

28

Those energy "rebates" won't be any good with all the debt we're accumulating because of Messiah's monitary and fiscal policies.  By 2020, it could be all those poor people will be getting IOUs to offset their loss of "purchasing power".

Another example of Messiah's great diplomacy making enemies into friends...

In the end, there will be only... the chaos of wars and rumors of wars.

 

 

29 .  I used to have respect for Buffet, now he's just another piece of shit like Soros.

i'll drink to that. For one egomaniac to have billions, many thousands must go poor.

30 there ya go - Georgie pushign the "cap and trade costs nothing!!?!??! eleventy!!?!??!" talking point as if it is true.

31 I'm sure it's heartfelt, not just partisan whining.

I'm sure it is, "poon". Republicans give twice as much per capita to charity as Democrats. Twice as much.

Republicans: help the poor with their own money.

Democrats: steal and waste money under the pretense of helping the poor.

How much have you given to charity this year, "poon"?

Oh, that's right: you don't have a job, and haven't had one for many years.

32 Poon, you dumb fish mitten, conservative voters tend to come from the productive sector of the economy, i.e. "the rich", so they care very much about poor people's taxes, since poor people who are burdened by taxes become welfare recipients and straight-ticket Democratic voters. It's partisan, because our side is right, while your side keeps the poor firmly in their place, neck under your bootheel, with no chance of improving their situations. We care about the poor, while Dems exploit poverty.

33 And it wouldn't be - why?

You're quite right, AD.

Most Americans think the Republican party only represents the interests of rich Americans and oil companies, but we know different, don't we?

A heart of gold I tells ya!

34

Why don't we just admit that EVERY FUCKING BILL passed by this congress so far this session costs the middle class money and liberty?

And the 40% of americans who pay no taxes will never, ever care where the money comes from, cuz it ain't from them.  Still, allowances are made deep in the bowels of said bills to protect the "lower income folks" from the financial hardships created by these bills.  Like Assholerod says in the interview " and for lower income people, it actually will be a net gain because they'll get some help with their energy bill".

If I hadn't been promised by our president that we now live in a post-racial society, I'd start to think that these bills represent "reparations" of some sort.

Thank God that isn't the case...our president told us so.

Oh yeah, and don't think WE ain't keeping score too, brother.

35 AHFF, I just answered you in the OT.  (On the Mutant Chronicles.)

36 Mmmm. That ass tastes terrible!

37 Why are we making the same mistakes that others have been making around the world? Why do Liberals never accept that doing the same thing that failed is other countries will not succeed here, just because they are involved?

For a silver lining look at this article linked on drudge.

http://tinyurl.com/ntg963

38

 

39

Lets see how the market reacts come Monday morning to this wonderful bill being passed in The House.

Lets see how the market reacts if the Senate passes it too. Should be major lolz that will ensue then.

And by major lolz I mean shitting in your pants and running through the streets screaming, "Soylent Green Is Peoooople !!!!

40 Warren Buffett: Should have thought of that before you voted for the Communist, moron.

Seriously, he made his choice.  He was a smart enough guy to know better.  If he's having second thoughts, that's nice, but he belongs to a group of people who effectively bailed on their principles or judgment for the hot new thing on the block and complaints from him about it are the last thing I'm interested in hearing.

41 Rush was all over this on Friday. Basically said this whole cap and trade fiasco (as opposed to the spendulous fiasco, and the bailout fiascos) is about wealth redistribution.

In other words.... your (and my) electric/gas bill doubles or triples every month. You (and I) pay our bills. Money (including our money) is then direct deposited in the accounts of those deemed "poor" by the administration to ease the burden on them.

Our burden?

Not so important.

Goodbye middle class.

As for green jobs, Spain is shaking their heads, because they tried this already, and for every green job created, I believe they said two or maybe three regular industry jobs were lost. And by the way, it took some astronomical amount of money, like several million dollars, to create ONE green job.

42 BTW, "poon", if you're capable of sitting at a keyboard trolling for eight hours a day, you're capable of holding down a paying job.

Stop leeching off your dad, loseboi.

43 I need to hear 'Green Jobs' about 900 more fucking times.  Could that be any more vague???  Well I guess we should expect that, seeing how they stem from the Vague Fraud of the Century that is Global Warming.

These sons-of-bitches are really starting to make me sick.

44 35

yea i thought mutants was okay - i think what happened there is they wanted it to be a real movie, released it in april and it was a flop so it because a cable tv movie.

279 Oh, btw, I had no idea that was C. Thomas Howell in the War of the Worlds 2 movie.  Decent.  Worth watching.  Had some great moments.

Posted by: rdbrewer at June 28, 2009 10:27 AM (eITN7)

seriously? i hope  you are being sarcastic.

Kid from kid and play (house party movies)?????? he was awful, truly awful.

45

stephanolpolis the jackass just said "you're looking at 9 or 10 percent unemployment in september"

uh, we're already at 9.4, georgie.

 

We had an almost similar thread a month or to ago.  These comments are so similar.

46 Most Americans think the Republican party only represents the interests of rich Americans and oil companies, but we know different, don't we?

What are statistics I just pulled out of my ass for $1000, Alex?

47 Most Americans think the Republican party only represents the interests of rich Americans and oil companies, but we know different, don't we?



Last time I checked their were a whole lot of millionare Dems in Congress and you don't see them giving their money away now do ya'?

They just take it from me and you and give it to their constituency, they don't call em' Limo Libs for nothin'.

48 that's it, i cant watch this georgie shit anymore. leadign with sanford instead of cap and trade, and peggy noonan/kathleen parker as the conservatives, who are of course attacking conservatives and will continue to blow georgie all show.  fucking eh.

the avg america thinks this is "balanced"

49

People have no idea what this is going to do to the cost of basic food. 

Better get your victory gardens going because wheat, meat, and dairy are going to cost a lot more. 

50 Do the dumb motherfuckers actually expect us to believe that all those goddamned green jobs will be net of the existing jobs they displace? Do they not understand that Spain learned that for every "green" job they created, they lost 2.2 somewhere else?

Hey Axie and Barry, creating one million green jobs at the expense of 2.2 million existing jobs is NOT A NET GAIN, you dumb, motherfucking over-educated effete motherfuckers!

And the dumbasses out there who elected Obommer think we'll all be better off for having gone green. Dumb motherfuckin', assholes.

But that's just me, thinking critically. I know we aren't supposed to do that anymore, we're just supposed to feel good about going green.

51 AHFF, specifically, the dogfight stuff is what I had in mind.  And those tripod things looked pretty cool.

52 how big was the cap and trade bill? 300 pages, 3000, pages? Do you think any of those cockchugs read it?

Let me explain how this works. Before the house voted, they pass out a coloring assignment and some pacifiers. They listen to a couple fellow-narcissists and get their spin on this. 7 or 8 Reps jump ship, vote for this shit because it is trendy and the One wields excaliber. Then they go off for cocktails with lobbyists.

We need this shit badly. Without it, and without bills like spendulus, they cannot wreck the country to the extent that perhaps a bunch of unconscious fuckers will suddenly take notice when they have no money left whatsoever and no jobs.

53 Let's say a belt breaks on your old washing machine. You find out at the store that a replacement belt is illegal now. Cap and Trade insists you buy a new, energy-efficient, "green" washer.

You say "Hell no!"

1) You head into the hood and find a belt dealer.

2) You wash you clothes in the bathtub and dry them in the sunlight.

According to our local thugs and the Dems, you are a traitor to the USA and an Earth-raping criminal.

Thanks, 52%!

54 BTW, note to all -- today we here at Ace of Spades are the rich descendants of the monopoly guy, Prescott McElitist von Scrooge.  We are not super-Christian redneck hicks -- that's on Mondays, Tuesdays and Wednesdays -- it rotates.

55

AHFF, specifically, the dogfight stuff is what I had in mind.  And those tripod things looked pretty cool.


If your talking about The Mutant Chronicles, it was surprisingly good. Can't wait for Zombieland with Woody Harrelson to come out, that should be a hoot.

56 kathleen parker is truly evil.

she's sitting at the georgie table because she took the 20 pieces of silver to betray the folks that helped her for decades - conservatives.

and now, she demonizes conservatives MORE than krugman and dyson.
unreal.

57 Posted by: AD (rounding up the impoverished to work in my OSHA-violating non-union steel mills to produce black at June 28, 2009 10:35 AM (UA7eS)

Well, I'll be damned, the names have a limit -- for the record, that's: "rounding up the impoverished to work in my OSHA-violating non-union steel mills to produce black-market weapons to sell to third world dictators" -- it's a tough business.

58 How much longer will the middle class taxpayer be able to pay for all of this before they run out of money?  And then what?

59 Maybe Warren is our John Galt? He realized long ago that capitalism and freedom were sick in this country. He endorsed Obama to hasten the crash that is so needed.

Or is he an unconscious John Galt and is really just a lucky asshole.

Either way keep it coming Warren and the rest of you 'tards.

60 There must be some way we can personally thank "these people" who put obama in power......and here in Massachusetts, the single digit is just not getting the job done.

61 kathleen parker is truly evil.

Not necessarily, she's just a gigantic opportunist.  And, I hate to say it, but a successful one at that.

62 Does it strike anyone else as spooky that these guys don't actually read these bills? I guess I knew there was some of that going on but I thought most of these guys actually knew what was in the bill. This situation is ripe for corruption. Am I just voting for the Senator's aids?

63 61 kathleen parker is truly evil.

Not necessarily, she's just a gigantic opportunist.  And, I hate to say it, but a successful one at that.

Posted by: AD at June 28, 2009 10:39 AM (UA7eS)

that'swhat makes her evil - opportunism over loyalty.

64 They just take it from me and you and give it to their constituency

You got that backwards, Blazer.

The  taxpayers in wealthy Blue states like New York and California subsidize the people who live in the generally poorer Red states.

So technically, Democrats tax their own constituents and give the money to Republicans.

65 49

RE:

People have no idea what this is going to do to the cost of basic food. 

Better get your victory gardens going because wheat, meat, and dairy are going to cost a lot more. 

Posted by: bman at June 28, 2009 10:32 AM (rXqqK)

I met a person at a grocery store that thought all this green shit was a good idea, until I told her that it would make all the food she buys cost more.  She looked at me, and had no idea why it would cost more.  The food would just magically appear on the shelves, and she had no idea how or why it got there. 

These are the idiots we have to put up with.  You can't relegate stupid, it just happens

66 poontroll, you're making me laugh now moron.

67

Blazer, we were talking about The Mutant Chronicles and then War of the Worlds 2. 

How about that coal-fired aircraft?

68 I hope they can stop this insanity in the Senate.

As for the Republicans; maybe they have to take a harder beating in future elections.

69

How much longer will the middle class taxpayer be able to pay for all of this before they run out of money?

Last year at this time, my family's income use to cover all bills and give us enough for eating fast food once a week, and going yard saling every few weeks.

Now, we cancelled the paper, cut back on cable extras, etc., etc.

That is just 1 family no longer being able to support local jobs with our 'disposable income'. 

It is not hard to figure out why we are losing tons of jobs weekly.  The middle class family can no longer spend.  If I can figure that out, why can't they.

The sad part is I know that when family's spend, lots of jobs are substained because we all buy different things.  When the gov't spends only a few jobs are kept because they spend it on a very limited amount of things.

70 The  taxpayers in wealthy Blue states like New York and California subsidize the people who live in the generally poorer Red states.

So technically, Democrats tax their own constituents and give the money to Republicans.


No, no - we're the super-Christian redneck hicks on Mondays, Tuesdays, and Wednesdays - now you're getting your timing wrong.

71 Warren Buffett: Should have thought of that before you voted for the Communist, moron.

I still cannot really get my head around how these "brilliant" people fell for Obama.

Would Warren have ever hired someone with so little experience and record to run any of his investment companies? I am an idiot moron nobody and it was clear from the moment I saw Obama interviewed he was an empty suit.

4 fucking years ago Obama was a state senator from Illinois. ...a state senator from Ilinois ...what were you fucking thinking Warren?

72 in the end, we need this. We need a bunch of inept and incapable cocksuckers like this. We need history to say, "what the fuck were they thinking?"

am I the only one who wants to punch George Stuffaknobulus? or wonders where kathleen parker's vagina has been? I don't watch and I don't read these trolls anymore. They disgust me. I would much rather do something useful with my time like, jack off, eat bacon, or look at palm trees in Belize.

73 68 I hope they can stop this insanity in the Senate.

As for the Republicans; maybe they have to take a harder beating in future elections

We cannot let the Republicans take anymore beatings.  The results are what we have right now, and God help us if this continues.

74 The  taxpayers in wealthy Blue states like New York and California subsidize the people who live in the generally poorer Red states.




Now thats comedy gold right there. Putting wealthy and Blue state and then taxpayer together is priceless.

Your approaching palin steele's level of idiocy, keep it up, I need the laughs.

75
It's time to dispense with the niceties and bullshit and to start hoping Obama fails.

We can't afford anymore of Obama's successes.

76 @49

"People have no idea what this is going to do to the cost of basic food...Better get your victory gardens going because wheat, meat, and dairy are going to cost a lot more."

Not just food. Everything grown, manufactured and transported consumes energy. Everything. That's why this section of the bill below, posted by Trish, is important.

"At the request of the State agency, eligible low-income households within the State shall receive a monthly cash energy refund equal to the estimated loss in purchasing power resulting from this Act."

This is not just a refund to offset the increase in a low income person's electric bill. It is to offset the total "loss in purchasing power." This might possibly be the biggest welfare program ever created. Spread the wealth.

77

Polar Bears numbers are on the rise!  Don't let 'Sell Out 8' know, they might think they look like idiots.

http://tinyurl.com/m85pvr

 

78 Billy Mays Here!

79 Billy Mays dead.

80 Morning morons, just in on Fox Billy Mays has died, @ 7:45 this morning in Fla., is the sham wow asshole next then maybe poon and ps???

81

How about that coal-fired aircraft?


yea, that was interesting,  that was probably the most horrible part of the movie for a liberal.

82

And the real issue is, what is the Republican strategy for creating jobs?

No, the real issue is what is the Democrats'?!  Hint: you don't do it the way you idiots are going so far, because you own the whole fucking agenda and you are already above the worst you predicted if you got your way.  So what crazy shit are you going to dream up now... or are you just going to keep deflecting the question?

And I can't resist commenting on the projection being demonstrated by the troll... it can't even comprehend that conservatives actually do care about people because a) it has been told its whole life that they are eeevil and b) it assumes that all expressions of concern about the poor are as empty as the formulaic psoturings of it's own side.

I gave approximately $3000 to charity last year, and I think I give less than most conservatives, because I am a cheap bastard.  Now, how much did you give again, troll?

83

Everything that is transported, by truck/train/plane or mule will cost more.

 1200 pages and that's the shortest answer I have. 

84 Now thats comedy gold right there. Putting wealthy and Blue state and then taxpayer together is priceless.

Your approaching palin steele's level of idiocy, keep it up, I need the laughs.

The rich are Republicans when the decision is being made on whether to tax them.  They're Democrats when it comes time to defend spending all their money.

It's the Democratic version of transmutation.

85

There's more!

86

Morning morons, just in on Fox Billy Mays has died,

 

Crap.  What is O going to try and sneak through by an EO this time?

87 insanity world continues - while dissing the protesters dying in the streets of iran for over a week, now Obama is out immediately wiht a statement supportin gthe leftist Chavez hack who runs honduras and was trying to illegally alter the honduras constitution to --- wait for it --- get ANOTHER term.  Sound familiar?

So Obama is lickign the boots of Chavez's lackey, and spitting on the Iranian street protesters. Wow, just wow.

Nothing in obama's statement about being "concerned" about extending constitutional term limits improperly.  Foreshadowing?
Obama concerned over expulsion of Honduran leader

Tuesday June 30, 2009 05:31:15 AM GMT

HONDURAS-PRESIDENT/OBAMA (URGENT)

WASHINGTON, June 28 (Reuters) - U.S. President Barack Obama expressed deep concern on Sunday at the Honduran military's arrest and expulsion of President Manuel Zelaya from the country.

"As the Organization of American States did on Friday, I call on all political and social actors in Honduras to respect democratic norms, the rule of law and the tenets of the Inter-American Democratic Charter," Obama said in a statement.

"Any existing tensions and disputes must be resolved peacefully through dialogue free from any outside interference," he said. (Editing by Patrick Rucker)

88 62 Does it strike anyone else as spooky that these guys don't actually read these bills? I guess I knew there was some of that going on but I thought most of these guys actually knew what was in the bill. This situation is ripe for corruption. Am I just voting for the Senator's aids?

Ripe for corruption? You are an optimist.

And no, you're not voting for the Senator's aides. They don't read the large bills either. We're all voting for someone to sit in an office in Washington and either watch CNN to find out what is in a particular bill, or to peruse the New York Times to find out what to think about any particular topic.

Am I saying that the media controls the government?

I guess I am.

We
are
so
screwed.

89

Obama see Honduras. This could be you in a few years.

90 Dyson is a typical infuriating liberal....EVERYTHING is about race.  Everything..

91 I'm not sure I've seen as good as liars as our current administration.  Nixon's folks were pretty good at it, but Dear Fuck Face is probably the best.  Hey, stop all exploration of energy, tax the shit out of we do get, throw tens of thousands or more out of work, destroy small businesses, begin the hpyer-inflation phase...and then tell the idiots it's good for our country.  White House.......home of the fucking whopper!

92 50 Do the dumb motherfuckers actually expect us to believe that all those goddamned green jobs will be net of the existing jobs they displace?

Yes. Yes they do. And we should feel good about that, because the old jobs were killing Mother Gaia, and nothing is more important than Mother Gaia. They are saving the planet in their minds.

Do they not understand that Spain learned that for every "green" job they created, they lost 2.2 somewhere else?

They do not care. See above statement re: Mother Gaia.

93

Fuck you Vince, Billy Mays your not!

http://tiny.cc/FuckingVince

94 Billy Mays is dead?

You get McMahon dead, Fawcett dead, Jackson dead all for only $19.99! That's right only $19.99 for all three! And if you call now, we'll throw in Billy Mays dead absolutely free!

Call now!

95 And by the way, can we finally start calling all these "Green Energy, Save the Earth" people cultists? Because that is what they are, f*cking insane cultists that are going to ruin our nation and way of life.

96 Tuesday June 30, 2009 05:31:15 AM GMT
HONDURAS-PRESIDENT/OBAMA (URGENT)

WASHINGTON, June 28 (Reuters) - U.S. President Barack Obama expressed deep concern on Sunday at the Honduran military's arrest and expulsion of President Manuel Zelaya from the country.


Awesome.  There's another poor country we can exploit.  I'm sending over my emissaries right now.

97


Wow, the Honduran president was trying to instill himself as dictator and the military stepped in to enforce their constitution and expel him. Of course Obama sides with the dictator.


Not that I'm shocked or anything.

98 Also on This Week with George the Greek, Thomas Friedman said (twice!) in regards to Gov. Sanford that Democrats are much harder on their members who show moral failings than Republicans are. He offered nothing to back it up, of course, just threw that out there like it's a cosmic absolute.

99 Anyone that voted for odumbass is a cultist!

100 Sanford that Democrats are much harder on their members who show moral failings than Republicans are.



That statement should have been followed by a laugh track.

101

Is everything propaganda these days?  I mean, really, this stuff is laughable.  How do they not giggle when they say this shit?

102 It will impose green jobs. Big difference than create. These will be jobs that had zero economic value. They might as well call it the Green Welfare Bureaucracy.

103 The Honduran military defends the Honduran Constitution.

Obama sees that and gets pissed.

Coming here soon.

104 why is it that libtards think they have a corner on seeing what is racist and what is not? Like they alone have the eyes and the credibility to understand this?

They are idiots. No more capable and enlightened than anyone else. When their shit ideology is attacked they immediately fall under the cloak of racism to avoid the punishment that they so richly deserve.

Go home trolls and libtards. Lick the boots of those who care so deeply for you. Go now so that we can forget your kind dwells amongst us-whilst I sip on my coffee and enjoy bacon while I still might have some. 

105 96 AD (robber baron, illegal arms manufacturer and Republican, Esq.)

What a coincidence. I am a slum lord, own sweat shops in the third world that use child labor and am a Republican as well!

106
And no, you're not voting for the Senator's aides. They don't read the large bills either. We're all voting for someone to sit in an office in Washington and either watch CNN to find out what is in a particular bill, or to peruse the New York Times to find out what to think about any particular topic.

Am I saying that the media controls the government? I guess I am.

We
are
so
screwed.


It seems to me we would do better by choosing the first 200 names of the local phone book than by choosing these front men. What if we elected 50 new congressmen who actually made it a point to read and understand the bills they voted on. Might slow it all down a bit but expose a lot more.

Might be a funny bit to have that reporter on FOX ambush these guys with the actual legislation they signed.

107 I've heard the whole "Blue States subsidize the Red States" crap for a few years. I wonder if the numbers include corporate income taxes -- I suspect the fact that corporations tend to be headquartered in large cities skews the numbers quite a bit, and if you limited it to personal income taxes it would flow the other way.

If, that is, the numbers weren't pulled out of someone's ass in the first place.

(And I also wonder what lefties think they're proving with that argument. "You guys want to cut taxes, taxes that get spent on YOU!!!" Yes, and? Doesn't that make us altruistic? Doesn't that mean we hold to our belief in the immorality of over-taxation even when we benefit from it? And if cutting government spending and taxes truly would harm us, shouldn't you be for it, if only to teach us the lesson?)

108 David Carradine
Ed McMahn
Farrah Fawcett

Michael Jackson
Billy Mays
_____

Who's next?

109 Hey Buffet,

are you glad you supported Obama now?  Are you glad, you stupid, ........why continue on with profanity.

I hope these bastards pay for this mistake.

110 The Honduran military defends the Honduran Constitution.

Obama sees that and gets pissed.

Coming here soon.



Yep, in other words the Honduran military did it's job, lets hope ours will too when it's time.


“I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic.” – from the U.S. military officer oath

111 The poor already get energy assistance from state and local governments, so it wont cost them anything.  Cap and Trade is a take down of the middle class that will hobble the economy and a giant swipe at our personal freedom.  How we live our lives will change forever, all at the behest of our government and politicized science. 

If Cap and Trade passes, fortunes will favor the politically connected, not the bold. 

112 Yep, in other words the Honduran military did it's job, lets hope ours will too when it's time.


“I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic.” – from the U.S. military officer oath

Posted by: Blazer at June 28, 2009 11:10 AM (+FzLa)

Same oath lawyers take.  I wonder if Obama just lipsynched.

113 What a coincidence. I am a slum lord, own sweat shops in the third world that use child labor and am a Republican as well!

Posted by: shibumi at June 28, 2009 11:06 AM (OKZrE)


We really should get together -- hopefully, with cooperation, we can turn Honduras into a paradise for the rich, oppressive, and compulsively greedy as well as the super-Christian redneck hicks at the same time.

114 From the AP, regarding the Honduran President,

"The chief executive was detained shortly before voting was to begin on a constitutional referendum the president had insisted on holding even though the Supreme Court ruled it illegal and everyone from the military to Congress and members of his own party opposed it."

Chavez, Castro, and Obama all sided with their fellow dictator and condemned the Honduran military.

115 I love how the libtards assume everyone in a blue state is democrat.  In my red state, the idiots that take the tax money are democratic voters.  If we got rid of the libs here, this state would be even richer. 

116 It seems to me we would do better by choosing the first 200 names of the local phone book than by choosing these front men. What if we elected 50 new congressmen who actually made it a point to read and understand the bills they voted on. Might slow it all down a bit but expose a lot more.

I agree completely. Statistically, it could not be worse.

Might be a funny bit to have that reporter on FOX ambush these guys with the actual legislation they signed

I don't think Fox would do it. They like to have their little interviews and such, and if they ambush someone, they will make an enemy and be out of the loop. And no one in the media wants to be the unpopular kid.

117 as expected, obama gets in on the MJ worship.  i wonder if axelrod read that daily mail article on mj last night. 

Obama sends condolence letter to Jackson family

President Barack Obama, who was faulted in some quarters for his slow and informal acknowledgement of singer Michael Jackson's death, has sent written condolences to Jackson's family, an Obama adviser said Sunday.

"The president has written the family and has shared his feelings with the family," Obama senior adviser David Axelrod said on NBC's "Meet the Press."

Axelrod suggested Obama was prepared to recognize Jackson at a press availability Friday with German Chancellor Angela Merkel, but the aide said no reporter raised Jackson's death.

The White House rebuffed reporters' requests for comment from soon after Jackson's death Thursday through Friday afternoon, when White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs offered brief comments at a daily briefing.

"The president obviously believes that he was an important and magnificent performer," Axelrod said on NBC. "Obviously, he led a sad life in many ways as well but his impact is undeniable."

118 Notice the troll delay?

They are going through a "Norman co-ordinate!" phase right now.

Please wait.

Please wait.

119 113 We really should get together -- hopefully, with cooperation, we can turn Honduras into a paradise for the rich, oppressive, and compulsively greedy as well as the super-Christian redneck hicks at the same time.

I concur. We can meet on my yacht.

I also have some Christian missionary friends that we can send down to Honduras to eliminate any non-Christian religion as well.  Perhaps we can open some factories there that manufacture Christian religious icons and Confederate flags and tobacco. We can use orphans and the disabled as workers, and if we are nice, we could consider letting them live in the extra shipping boxes we have.

The last part is pretty radical, I know.

120 Awaiting the Obama Presidential tribute to Bill Mays.  But wait, there's more!  It ain't gonna happen. 

121 118 Notice the troll delay?

They are going through a "Norman co-ordinate!" phase right now.

LOL.

122 Obama taking sides already on that powerhouse Honduras? Wow, they out of ice cream at that little shop? Knobpolisher not up yet?

Where is that same great restraint he showed when Iranian kids were dying for freedom? I think I gotta puke...

123 122

no doubt, and obama's excuse for selling out the iranian protesters was the "history" of us "meddling"

uh, we never sent troops to iran - other than carter idiocy rescue attempts.

honduras? an actual history of us troops changing govts and invading, several times.

so is that excuse for not commenting now "inoperative"????

124

I wonder if the administration will make sure there is an eco-cop on every block to rat out the neigbors for their energy usage.

A Black Panther maybe ?

125 Obama may say he is deeply concerned about what is happening in Honduras, but we can't believe it until we get proof.

If there is another ice cream run today, he means it.

126 Dave, the geniuses put language in the bill guaranteeing a check to every low income person who meets their criteria to make up for the loss in spending power, nada for middle class of course we just pay the bills:

127

Eight Republican Defectors Defectives Pass Economy Destroying Bill: Buffet Buyer's Remorse Bites

Fixed that for you, Ace, from Friday with an addendum for this morning.

128

OT http://tinyurl.com/23yahy

Pawlenty on Obama and his spending:

“The president said not long ago in an interview, quote-unquote, we are out of money,” Pawlenty told CNN Chief National Correspondent John King when asked whether the country could afford health care reform right now. “With all due respect Mr. President, if we’re out of money, quit spending it,” Pawlenty added.

PS - The ticker up top says O wrote a letter to Jacksass' family.

Did he reach out to Private Long's family?

129

Maybe Buchannon was right...we could save a lot $$$ by kicking the UN out..and stop meddling around the world.

Will Bush get any credit for the billions he sent to Africa to fight AIDS..or was that just evil meddling too?

130 here it is: SEC 432
. ENERGY REFUND PROGRAM FOR LOW-INCOME CONSUMERS.

(a) Energy Refund Program-…
(2) At the request of the State agency, eligible low-income households within the State shall receive a monthly cash energy refund equal to the estimated loss in purchasing power resulting from this Act.

131 By looking at the situation in Honduras, I think I just saw the future of our own country. I wonder if Cuba would take obama.

132

You get McMahon dead, Fawcett dead, Jackson dead all for only $19.99! That's right only $19.99 for all three! And if you call now, we'll throw in Billy Mays dead absolutely free!

Call now!

Posted by: eman at June 28, 2009 10:58 AM (fpywm)

That's soooo wrong.

F*cking hilarious, but sooo wrong.

133 Lemme just flat-out say it:  Fuck the poor.

"Oh, The Poor will be getting a net gain.  They rest of you, though... oh boy, are you going to pay out of the squeakhole."  I'm sorry, can somebody please explain to me why I bother to work hard when I could be a lazy shiftless ne'r-do-well and get the same net result?

134 Will FOX news be running Billy Mays infomercials all day without commentary to pay tribute to an Icon of marketing?

135 We can use orphans and the disabled as workers, and if we are nice, we could consider letting them live in the extra shipping boxes we have.


Communist.

Okay, okay, I get worked up about this - I apologize for that outburst.  Sorry.  In point of fact, I have a good deal of shipping material that was used in transporting nuclear waste to my illegal dumping sites (I make nuclear weapons as part of my illegal arms shipments - I'm the best in the business).  I have good reason to believe a large portion of it is tainted, and if we give it to the orphans, the excessive amounts of radiation may give them superhuman powers, thus increasing their productivity ten-fold.

(BTW, don't worry about the nuclear weapons. I only ship them to Israel and the Pope--Opus Dei has a stash like you wouldn't believe)

136

This won't harm the energy sector one bit. They'll just get the bejeezus taxed out of them and we'll all pay for it all in return.

The real laughs will ensue when the same greenies who wanted this legislation passed file a lawsuit or protest anytime a windmill or solar panel will be put up because it threatens some species of animal or a pristine view.

137 fucking eh - geraldo is going live from argentina for two hours tonight of sanford demonizing.

thanks fox - you're doing a stand up job as a center right station.

we're screwed.

138

http://tinyurl.com/yo3y7m

Look at links under 'Latest News'

* Sweeping energy, climate bill heads to Senate

* Is the dollar doomed?

 

Do these idiots even realize what their own site says?

139

Will Geraldo Riviera, aka Jerry Rivers be speaking Spanish when broadcasting from R-hen-tenna?

140
(2) At the request of the State agency, eligible low-income households within the State shall receive a monthly cash energy refund equal to the estimated loss in purchasing power resulting from this Act.



Right and if that household is already on welfare ?  Double welfare !!

Screwed doesn't even begin to describe what we are.

141

Like, why not just give everyone a shovel and have them make money by digging holes in their back yard and filling them back in. 

The Association of Socialists Shoveling Holes for Obama is already hard at work, comrade, seeing to it that spreading the wealth starts off on the correct foot.

142 I must be severely un-socialized, because I have no idea who Billy Mays is/was.

Also, what the fuck is a "green job," anyway? A rickshaw driver?

143 which is worse, which gets more media coverage:

1. Edwards, making sex tapes with a mistress, having a kid with a mistress, lying his ass off denying the story, after admitting the affiar, denying it is his kid, having a campaign worker take the fall for it, and scheming to marry his mistress the moment his wife  DIES from cancer;  or

2. Sanford - sneaking off to hook up with a hot argentinian chick - not having a kid with her, not making sex tapes, and not having an aide take the fall for it - and honestly admitting he loves his hot argentinian chick.

fucking eh.

NY daily news:

St. Martin's Press just inked a deal with Young, who also says in his proposal that, contrary to his public statement last year, he is not the father of Hunter’s infant daughter — Edwards is. Edwards has denied that.

Young says that his belief in Edwards ran so deep that he agreed to take the fall for the candidate, inviting the pregnant Hunter to live with him, his wife, Cheri, and their three children. Later, after Hunter delivered the baby, Young and his family moved to a different home in California.

While he was unpacking, Young discovered a videocassette, according to the book pitch. Hunter had been hired by the Edwards campaign to videotape the candidate’s movements, but this one is said to have shown him taking positions that weren’t on his official platform.

The purported sex tape confirmed to Hunter that Edwards was even more reckless than he thought.

According to our source, Hunter confided to Young that she and Edwards talked about getting married should the candidate’s cancer-stricken wife, Elizabeth, pass away, even discussing what music they’d play at their wedding.

144 i keep telling you morons. if 5 or 10 million of us quit our jobs, get on the dole, we will bankrupt this fuckin joint and join the millions already on the debit side. with nobody to rob, we will have rendered the government useless. It is a beautiful plan, and perfectly legal...

145

The Poor will be getting a net gain

 

The sad thing is that people do not realize that they are already paying a shit load more for food.  Everything has been downsized.  Even toilet paper, while mostly staying as long, has gotten skinnier.  Do these idiots not notice how the tp shifts from side to side on the roller now?  Do they not wonder why the cheese packet in mac-n-cheese has gotten thicker?  Here's a hint: less noodles!!!

 

146 @94 eman, you are truly evil, and that is the funniest thing I have seen all week!

147 So remember when one of the big British papers ran a headline to the effect of how can X million people be so stupid when they voted for Bush in 04?

It seems a significant percentage of the people that voted for Obama had no clue what they were in fact voting for.

And based on his approval ratings versus the approval ratings of his policies, the 52% are mostly still committed to sticking their heads in the sand.

Oh, and could we for once have a politician who tacks further right then anyone expected after elected? Bush did the same thing as Obama - he just went from a center-right campaign to a centrist presidency whereas Obama went from a centrist campaign (tax cuts for everyone) to an extreme left presidency.

148 I've never understood the fascination with the "media" running to Warren Buffett for his take on economic matters. Buffett may be a keen invester, but as an economist he's -- how shall I put it? -- an ass stain.

149 #130
Congratulations, 52%. Some of you pay taxes, a few anyway. Now you will be paying not only your own higher energy bills, but the energy bills of your unemployed, welfare and food-stamp supported neighbor. The one who parks the car on the lawn and blares ESPN2 at three AM and can't manage the three children they can't afford but the girfriend is pregnant again anyway.

Yes, fuck the poor, because no one likes a leech. Yep. I'm getting a job with the illegal arms manufacturer. At least he has taste.

150

Keep in mind Waxman was the same fuck who said stimulus jobs shouldnt just go to the "white male construction worker, so we all know who won't be getting any of those nice green jobs.

151 You won't be able to heat your home this winter. Nor will you be able to afford "virgin wool". The Gov't will send you a rebate for any "old whore" wool you purchase to keep warm.

152 Putting wealthy and Blue state and then taxpayer together is priceless.

Help me out here, Blazer, I've forgotten how the "conservative" fantasy goes on this one.

Is it "the rich taxpayers of Mississippi and Alabama subsidize the struggling software engineers of silicon valley and the stockbrokers of New York?"

153 Speaking of shit stains!

154 Billy Mays is dead?

Well, that's one way to get him to stop yelling at me trough the TV...

155 re: US meddling in Iran
Out of the various 'Great Powers' that were involved in Iran in the 19th and 20th century, the US was the most helpful and least exploitative.

Even the UK/UK-engineered bloodless coup against the democratically elected Mossadegh in the '50's was, to the dispassionate eye, justified given the potential humanitarian disaster resulting from a possible Soviet takeover of Iran.

re: carbon taxes
The AGW theory is, scientifically, dead in the water.
At some point soon, the political 'consensus' keeping it afloat will fall apart.
Republican's will gain kudos for having been on the side of sound science, truth and common sense.
At least, that's what should happen, in a sane world.

156 fucking eh - geraldo is going live from argentina for two hours tonight of sanford demonizing.

thanks fox - you're doing a stand up job as a center right station.

But, but... Every leftard and troll says Faux News is 110% right winger propaganda, 365 days a year! I didn't know Sanford was a Democrat.

Is it true Geraldo is a member of the John Birch Society?

157

My hubby always bitches because I keep everything.  I have clothes that my kids wore 3 years ago.  I always use to joke that if something happens we may need to sew them together for blankets, clothes, etc., or burn them to stay warm.

It scares me to think maybe I wasn't joking.

158

I guess after barry fucks up the US..he plans to move and build his library in Kenya.

Kenya will have a higher standard of living by 2012.

159 @129 "Will Bush get any credit for the billions he sent to Africa to fight AIDS..or was that just evil meddling too?"

Watch the "Uncommon Knowledge" interview series over at NRO (under "NRO TV") with Dambisa Moyo. Her new book "Dead Aid" makes the compelling case that not all aid to Africa is a good thing. In many aspects such aid is de-incentivizing to African gov'ts to ever get their own shit together.

160

Thank you, Comrade Poon, for defending socialist holenomics. You are a true A.S.S. Hole for Obama. Your comfort woman troll will be assigned tomorrow.

Comrade palin_steele: email me soonest.

161

California and New York are how far in debt???

How's that liberal agenda blue state shit working out for them?

162 #64
The  taxpayers in wealthy Blue states like New York and California subsidize the people who live in the generally poorer Red states.


OMG! You really are that fucking stupid.

163 Help me out here, Blazer, I've forgotten how the "conservative" fantasy goes on this one.

Is it "the rich taxpayers of Mississippi and Alabama subsidize the struggling software engineers of silicon valley and the stockbrokers of New York?"



No dimwit, you measure those on public assistance vs. those gainfully employed and paying the crippling taxes in the Blue States and then you can see why most are either close or on the brink of bankruptcy.

Why do you think there has been a mass exodus of people and business from the Blue states for years ?

They're all running down here dumbass.

164 Help me out here, Blazer, I've forgotten how the "conservative" fantasy goes on this one.

Is it "the rich taxpayers of Mississippi and Alabama subsidize the struggling software engineers of silicon valley and the stockbrokers of New York?"


Posted by: poon at June 28, 2009 11:35 AM (i31Zq)



Like I said--when the Democrats are justifying taxing them, the rich are all greedy Republicans.  When they're justifying who these taxes are subsidizing, the rich are all Democrats.

165 The  taxpayers in wealthy Blue states like New York and California subsidize the people who live in the generally poorer Red states.


OMG! You really are that fucking stupid.




 Why yes,......yes he is.

166 154 Billy Mays is dead?

Well, that's one way to get him to stop yelling at me trough the TV...

Posted by: Herr Blücher at June 28, 2009 11:36 AM (QN4vE)


I'll be honest.  I'll feel more sorry about the guy than I do Michael Jackson.

Sorry, but it shouldn't be hard for anybody to figure out why.

167

Capt at 159...we all knew as much. But it was feel good shit. Perhaps minorities with people back in the "old country" would like conservatives more and vote for them?

We shouldn't have sent a nickel over there. 90% was likely stolen..and it got us no "Goodwil" among the minority voters.

168

Please, please pray for this new born baby girl.  This story has me sobbing.  How can anyone do this?   (Col., OH)

http://tinyurl.com/nut8k8

Police said a mail carrier found an infant wrapped in a plastic bag on the city's east side on Saturday.
 
Mike Herron said he heard a baby crying in the 12-hundred block of Marble Drive, located near Livingston Avenue and Main Street, around 10 a.m.
 
Herron said he could see the baby's head sticking out of the trash bag, 10TV's Glenn McEntyre reported.
 
 "You could see the umbilical cord," Herron said, "You could see the baby still had blood and vomit and fecal matter and it was just a mess, but you know, a beautiful baby girl."

169 Hey Discovery Channel...HOW'S MY ASS TASTE?

That's what you get for canceling Survivorman.

170
Please stand by while poon get it's latest talking points from Axelrod.

171 Remember Mossadegh was no freakin' Thomas Paine. Leftards' favorite source, Wikipedia:

According to Ervand Abrahamian: "Realizing that the opposition would take the vast majority of the provincial seats, Mossadeq stopped the voting as soon as 79 deputies – just enough to form a parliamentary quorum — had been elected."[21] An alternative account is offered by Stephen Kinzer. Beginning in the early 1950s under the guidance of C.M. Woodhouse, chief of the British intelligence station in Tehran, Britain's covert operations network had funneled roughly £10,000 per month to the Rashidian brothers (two of Iran's most influential royalists) in the hope of buying off, according to CIA estimates, "the armed forces, the Majlis (Iranian parliament), religious leaders, the press, street gangs, politicians and other influential figures".[22] Thus, in his statement asserting electoral manipulation by "foreign agents", Mossadeq suspended the elections. His National Front party had made up 30 of the 79 deputies elected. Yet none of those present vetoed the statement, and the elections were postponed indefinitely. The 17th Majlis convened on February 1952.

So in true leftard democratic fashion, his answer to British meddling was to... suspend elections. And he arm-twisted the Parliament into giving him unlimited "emergency" powers. Yeah, a real pacifist, feel-good Ben Franklin, he was.

172
it's on wiki...so it must be true

sounds fishy to me, though

173 "We've lost millions of jobs in the recession that began last year and continues."

The perfect question would have been:

Why is it continuing?

Then again, I guessed it slipped their minds.

174 Warren Buffet has great credibility because he has great wealth. In this country, people are attracted to these fuckers because they think they know something that the rest of us do not.

The translation is simple. Great wealth must mean great intelligence.

Nothing could be further from the truth. One does not beget the other nor does one exclude the other. Warren Buffett is an intelligent investor. That's it. He is not Einstein or Ayn Rand. He does embody greed and ego and good values at the same time which I view as an enigma. The deal he carved out with Goldman Sachs is a thing of beauty.

In the end, Warren is just another greedy cocksucker. He who dies with the most toys still dies.

175
...it will create millions of green jobs...

Sometimes, you just don't know where to start.  This is one of those cases.  I cannot...CANNOT envision one non-governmental job being created from this idiocy much less MILLIONS.  Yes, he said "millions."  Do you know what kind of sector specific conditions it takes to create one hundred thousand jobs?  Was there a magic wand in Waxman's secret 300 pages that we all don't know about?

And the CBO says they didn't even take into account the costs to the economy from the negative impact this idiocy (yeah, I'm going to call it that from now on) will have on GDP. 

MILLIONS.  What a bag of fucking liars.

176

I don't hate teh ghey...but the MSM interviews are turning into something like ghey pron.

Just .Fucking. Unwatchable.

177 @167 "We shouldn't have sent a nickel over there. 90% was likely stolen..and it got us no "Goodwil" among the minority voters."

Exactly -- Just ask Mengistu Mariam about all the "USA For Africa" funds Bob Geldof assured everyone would bring bountiful plenty to the Ethiopians. That whole overblown fucking "Live Aid" shit back in the '80s is a prime example of "feel good" activism playing on the ignorance of the "caring" masses. Geldof's heart is in the right place, but mass emotion is hardly an effective remedy for a foreign policy predicament.

178

http://tinyurl.com/lqllch

The ratings agency has calculated privately that the UK's public sector debt could quadruple from its current level of just over 50pc of economic output to 200pc or above within the next four decades as the cost of servicing public sector pensions, ballooning social security costs and healthcare burdens becomes overwhelming, The Sunday Telegraph has learned.

The warning is doubly sobering since S&P last month placed Britain's debt on to "negative outlook" – an explicit signal that it could soon be downgraded.

The agency said that unless Britain and its fellow leading Western nations took action to stem these costs, "the ratings of the high grade sovereigns would be very different."

179

Poon, seriously, what's your point?  Are you upset that the wealthy blue states are supporting the impoverished red states?  Are you upset that the red state mouthbreathers don't appreciate your wealthy blue state support?

Do you or do you not understand that there are wealthy Democrats, and poor Republicans, in direct contrast to your implications that Republicans are rich? 

You don't make any sense.

180 Like I said

AD,

Perhaps the biggest fantasy maintained by you "conservatives" is that the Red states somehow pay their own way instead the reality of their dependence on massive subsidies from the Blue states to survive.

And most ironic perhaps, is that Sarah Palin, queen of the "conservatives," presides over the most subsidized state in the union...Alaska.

181 If going Green was a job creator you wouldn't need the federal government to subsidize it.

182

Poon, seriously

This has got to be the tag line of the day.  When did men not take poon seriously?

183 @179 "Do you or do you not understand that there are wealthy Democrats, and poor Republicans, in direct contrast to your implications that Republicans are rich?"

In fact, I believe there are actually more wealthy Democrats in Congress than Republicans. But I'd have to double-check.

184 Self subsidised poon...dichead..Comes from petro-cash.

185 That poor baby girl. It's a miracle she got her head out of the trash bag and someone heard her cries for help. I bet the mother voted for Obama.

186

That little turd is responsible for giving us our current embarrassment known as The President.  I'd give my left nut for some real journalism.  If we had real journalist, this fucking retard wouldn't have a job because without a friendly press corps, he would be fucking laughed off of the stage.

Ha! Axelrod used to be a journalist himself, with the Chicago Tribune. Not that it's a big transisition to go from being a "journalist" to being a Dem political operative.

187
MILLIONS.  What a bag of fucking liars.

touche, circa. And when the economy turns if it can, Capt. Jug Ears will be taking the credit

188 To paraphrase Laurence Fishburne, Buffett got played like a five dollar ho'

189 hmmm...bacon oatmeal...and they said it wasn't possible

190

And Alaska has so much more strategic relevance than say NYC????

How many nukes can N. Korea hit NYV with? None.

Alaska has NUkes pointed at it thanks to Barry.

191 Help me out here, Blazer, I've forgotten how the "conservative" fantasy goes on this one. Tell ya what, poon: how about the blue states stop sending the red states money, and the red states stop sending the blue states food and energy.

Let me know how that works out for you, huh?

Planning to go look for a job tomorrow? Daddy isn't going to be around forever, you know, and Barack is going to require you to work.

192 Perhaps the biggest fantasy maintained by you "conservatives" is that the Red states somehow pay their own way instead the reality of their dependence on massive subsidies from the Blue states to survive."

When did I argue that poon?  (Though it's interesting you leave red-states like Texas off the list)  We're talking about rich people and poor people and you're trying to change the subject.

(BTW, I live New York.  I probably count in your definition of making a lot, though I'm definitely not "loaded" rich.  So, I kinda don't take seriously the idea of you lumping me in with a bunch of Democrats as "the rich subsidizing the poor" just because I live in this state.)

193

The Democrats aided by Acorn insisted everyone should have a home whether they could afford it or not, just so they could aquiesce votes and then had to use billions to bail out the banks that provided those loans after they were defaulted on.

The Democrats insisted we should use billions to bail out the auto industry so they could keep their reliable fat cat union voters gainfully employed.

The Democrats just passed the largest welfare legislation in history disguised as an energy bill that will mostly benefit it's voter base and harm the rights voter base.

Up next: Amnesty, 12-20 million voters added, of which most will probably vote Democrat and millions added to the welfare rolls.

Count on it.

194 Momma, the good part of that story is that the baby girl is likely to be adopted by someone who wants her and will care for her.  She's a survivor!

195 I still want to know what Jersey got out this piece of sh*t, since three of the traitors come from the "Garden" state.

196 "Hope and change folding money."

197 Perhaps the biggest fantasy maintained by you "conservatives" is that the Red states somehow pay their own way instead the reality of their dependence on massive subsidies from the Blue states to survive.




Oh really poon, well then explain why most blue states have had deficits for years and most are now on the verge of bankruptcy while at the same time Red states had major surpluses ?

Mine had a 5 billion surplus alone and was once considered he best managed state in the country until Warner and the abominable Kaine came along to fuck it up.

You think the world revolves around the Northeast, well you must have never heard of the Nations banking capitol Charllotte or the home of more fortune 500 companies than any other Atlanta.

Or perhaps you've never heard of he medical research and pharmacological capitol of the nation Raliegh.

198 And most ironic perhaps, is that Sarah Palin, queen of the "conservatives," presides over the most subsidized state in the union...Alaska.

That's the emergency button when all else fails.
Mention her name.
Some sort of magical incantation.

Sorry Dems liberals own the house, senate, the white house and budget.
Not to mention California which is running a huge budget surplus so they can share the wealth with the poor red states.

199

You get McMahon dead, Fawcett dead, Jackson dead all for only $19.99! That's right only $19.99 for all three! And if you call now, we'll throw in Billy Mays dead absolutely free!

And, we'll even throw in a second autopsy for Michael Jackson!

Call now!

200
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I wonder if the administration will make sure there is an eco-cop on every block to rat out the neigbors for their energy usage. ...

Posted by: Blazer

If it was good enough for Woodrow Wilson*, then Obama won't mind doing it.

*WW had citizen volunteers reading their neighbor's mail.

Hmmm. WW was a college professor (later a college president!) - so was Obama. I suggest a new amendment for the Constituion barring college professors from the Presidency!

201 If I'm going to see my money seized and misappropriated for religious causes ala "climate change," it's time for us to seize Warren Buffet's company and holdings. Just imagine the jobs we could create (or save) by freeing up the countless billions he and other fat cats hold in offshore accounts. As a fellow Omahan, I can tell you that Warren's not putting that money to work right now - he's hording it and keeping it away from the risk of the economic downturn, subsequently causing greater decline, causing pain and suffering for the rest of us.

Take it all. Let him live in a double wide and earn $35K/year like Obama's ideal middle class family. Let's quit beating around the bush: if this is about seizing wealth to create or save jobs, save the economy, save the environment, and have terrorists like us, then tell Obama to quit messing with small potatos. Nationalize Warren Buffet.

202 I'm confused. Am I supposed to be a poor dumb right winging hick or a rich greedy, take advantage of the poor republican?

203 billy mays, the tv pitchman for oxyclean, has died. The day before, as his plane was landing, the front tires blew out while landing in Tampa. Passengers reported various bumps and bruises...

There will be an autopsy performed by an M.E. of the air carrier's choosing...bereave it!

204

The country has had a psychotic break with reality

In the name of Allah, the Gracious, the Merciful,

Greetings from sunny Natanz!  Now that it is a done deal and there is nothing to do but laugh at you, we boast as St. Paul did of our weakness.  We are so weak we secretly financed the collusion of the producers to raise oil prices by bidding them between ourselves up and up and up, and we are going to do it again.  We have secretly gained control of you media, it is now in our hands, through many long years of work and disinformation, we have a worldwide media that is truly representative of the new multipolar world.  We are so weak we have secretly financed many of your rulers at the highest levels of government, and now, finally we have a ruler who bows to our Imam. 

The  12th Imam shall soon return after the Chaos.  (Sura 2:29)

 انجمن حجتیه

205 AD,

Did you find some way to avoid paying your taxes?

Or do you dispute that New York is a "Blue" state?

Or are you just saying it's hard to be a "conservative" in a Blue state?

206 Isn't Buffet one the assholes that backed duh1?

Yeah, he was.

Fuck you, Warren....go.to.hell.

207 Nationalize Warren Buffet.

Dont forget Soros!

208 "they'll get some help with their energy bill"

Under Obama, they spend $20 on gasoline, they'll get a check from the gov't for $100.  It's all about 'fairness'.

209

From I, Claudius........

"Augustus would unintentionally put the tax at too high a rate, discounting the distress caused by a bad harvest or a cattle plague or an earthquake; and rather than complain to him that the assessment was too high the governors would collect it to the last penny, even at the risk of a revolt. Few of them took any personal interest in the people they were supposed to govern."

Just as our Czars. And our oppressors understand this feminized, homosexualized and castrated citizenry wouldn't dare demand accountability from their overlords.

 

210 @202 "I'm confused. Am I supposed to be a poor dumb right winging hick or a rich greedy, take advantage of the poor republican?"

You obviously don't get the meme. You're supposed to be either Moritmer & Randolph Duke or Bo & Luke Duke. Take your pick.

211 I'm confused. Am I supposed to be a poor dumb right winging hick or a rich greedy, take advantage of the poor republican?


Poon is seeking medical attention right now. Right after he was chastising us rich greedy conservatives for turning our backs on the poor, he berated us poor conservatives here in The Red states for sponging off of his beloved Blue states.

The irony meter he had placed on his computer desk short circuited and exploded causing him minor injury and second degree burns.

212 Ok, Jackson died at 50, now Mays is dead at 50. I'm thinking of Logan's Run.

213 I'm sure it's heartfelt, not just partisan whining.

If "the poor", who do spend money, are spending it on bogus government schemes like this, then they're NOT out spending it on products and services produced by American industry.

214 Ok, Jackson died at 50, now Mays is dead at 50. I'm thinking of Logan's Run.

In the Oh-Blamma Regime, 50 is the new 90.

215 Nationalize Warren Buffet.

geezus, don't give that jug eared fuck any ideas. First they will pass a law that will render Berkshire Hathaway useless. Then in order to protect investors, they will come in and seize assets, maybe prosecute and discredit him before he knows what the fuck hit him. Goldman off the hook for that 10% 5 billion dollar investment...

Kinda like that Inspector General that juggy disposed of not so long ago...

216 Why do I have a sneaking suspicion all those millions of "green" jobs will involve making dirt bricks for our new eco-friendly mud huts?

217 If "the poor", who do spend money, are spending it on bogus government schemes like this, then they're NOT out spending it on products and services produced by American industry.



No the poor, usually spend all their money at Wal-Mart, which is why the Democrats want to pass card check so bad. If they can get Wally World unionized then they can add more voters and lots more money to their coffers.

218 202 I'm confused. Am I supposed to be a poor dumb right winging hick or a rich greedy, take advantage of the poor republican?

Posted by: Ginger at June 28, 2009 12:14 PM (zIFYY)

Come on, this is easy. You are a poor, rich, fascist, libertarian, statist, lassiez faire, christianist, zionist, scientific method opposing, global warming denying, dumb, evil genius.

And if this basic creed of Liberalism doesn't prove how "reality" based it is, I don't know what would.

219 16 "Conservatives" worrying about the taxes the poor have to pay?

I'm sure it's heartfelt, not just partisan whining.

Hey shit for brains, unlike yourself and the 52% of the rest of the retards that voted for this Communist in the White House, we actually give a damn about everyone's taxes.

Now fuck off.

220 "dirt bricks for our new eco-friendly mud huts?"

There are other things that you can make bricks out of...

221 "Conservatives" worrying about the taxes the poor have to pay?



Any taxes the poor have to pay is usually nullified by the welfare benefits they receive ten-fold.

222 I'm sorry, can somebody please explain to me why I bother to work hard when I could be a lazy shiftless ne'r-do-well and get the same net result?

Because no matter the circumstances you just can't bring yourself to slip on the slave collar, "volunteer" for ACORN, and get in line to fellate your local SEIU boss.

As an American citizen, the notion that your rights to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness are not some privileges granted by a state to be bargained away but rather an inalienable endowment far beyond the ken of corrupt politicians, is too deeply ingrained. 

I'm sorry to break it to you but you are just not built for this brave new world.  Individual human dignity always gums up the works of totalitarian utopian schemes and brother you have it in spades. 

If you cannot degrade yourself to a dependent serf-like status on your own (and Billy Ayers was right about people like you being incapable of this type of perversion) some other means will have to suffice to aid in the transition.

223 The only way for the cap and trade tax to work is for the people who'll net pay the tax (remember there are provisions to give rebates to lower income people) continue to work hard.  Conversely, the only way for it to collapse is to have those people who net pay the tax to quit working so hard, or in extreme, go John Galt.  Then the only solution is to pass the higher taxes on to the middle class, and expect The One™ to redefine middle and upper class.

Will the tipping point for going John Galt occur, and if so, when?

224 Obama won 53% of the vote, uncle"facts".

Your guy got 46%.

we actually give a damn about everyone's taxes.

Yes, you want to keep your taxes low and everybody else's taxes high.

225 Did you find some way to avoid paying your taxes?
Or do you dispute that New York is a "Blue" state?
Or are you just saying it's hard to be a "conservative" in a Blue state?
-
I live in California and it's not hard as a conservative.
In fact it's fun talking to the 52% and they don't want to talk about President Custer.
They don't want to admit they fucked up.
Big time.

226 Will the tipping point for going John Galt occur, and if so, when?



I think we are passed the the tipping point. Our last best hope I'm afraid is for any conservatives in the Blue states to move to Red and Purple states to keep em' Red or change them back.

If this madness continues past 2012, secession may not be a bad idea.

227 Yes, you want to keep your taxes low and everybody else's taxes high.

Posted by: poon at June 28, 2009 12:32 PM (i31Zq)

Well, heck if Obama's cabinet actually bothered to pay taxes, perhaps they'd care about the tax rate too. 

Can I file a 1040 Timmy Geithner for next year?

228 Yes, you want to keep your taxes low and everybody else's taxes high.



No, we want every bodies taxes low and those on the dole to start doing some of the heavy lifting.

Oh yea' and small government beholden to the people and not ACORN and the unions.

229

Perhaps the biggest fantasy maintained by you "conservatives" is that the Red states somehow pay their own way instead the reality of their dependence on massive subsidies from the Blue states to survive.

States don't pay taxes.

230 The Congressional Budjet Office says that the average American household will pay an extra 150 bucks a year.

231 This whole "blue states subsidize red states" thing is just another liberal misrepresentation.  First, it is generally true that red states get more money back than they pay in, and blue states the reverse (although the #1 recipient state is the newly blue state of New Mexico, not exactly a hot bed of right-wing conservatism).  The net amount, according to Krugman (grain-of-salt alert), is approximately $90 billion per year.  Put in perspective that represents about 5% of Obama's deficit this year.  For a Democrat, this is pocket change.

The snarky implication of course is that Republicans are living hypocritically off the toil of Democrats.  This is just not true.  The issue really isn't an ideological one at all.

First these statistics count every single dollar that goes in or out.  So a place like Montana counts as "heavily subsidized" because most of the state is actually owned by the federal government, so all the money spent to maintain that land counts as a "subsidy" to Montanans.  The people of Montana see very little benefit from that "subsidy" so it is disingenuous to suggest that Montanans are living high off the hog because of it.  It also counts things like farm subsidies.  Guess what, states that have lots of farms get lots of farm subsidies, and these happen to be red states.  If they were blue states they'd still be heavily subsidized.  The only political divide here is whether there ought to be farm subsidies, but I think there's pretty clear agreement that if we are to have farm subsidies, they ought to go to farms regardless if they are in red states or blue states.  And guess what, a large number of Republicans opposed farm subsidies because they are wasteful and a corruptive influence on government.  Guess who first initiated farm subsidies?  That's right, the liberal FDR.

And it also counts subsidies that happen to go to a particular state, but benefit all Americans more or less equally.  Such as military spending (a majority of military installations are in red states, but the benefits we get from the military we all enjoy), and national laboratories.  I guarantee the reason why New Mexico is #1 on the subsidy list is because they have 2 huge national labs.  The people of New Mexico don't benefit any more than the rest of us from the research these labs conduct.  And it ALSO counts entitlement spending like Social Security and Medicare - guess what, there's more old people in warmer red states than colder blue states, so they get more SS & Medicare dollars.  That's not some nefarious Republican plot to extort more federal tax money from Democrats, that's the result of these people making free choices.

And what is your point anyway?  You don't really have one only to level the charge of "hypocrisy".  That's it.  That's your entire intellectual point.  So, let us suppose for the sake of argument that all of us red-staters are in fact giant hypocrites.  So what?  Does that mean we should keep the subsidies going?  Does that do anything to correct the injustice that you perceive?  No and no.  Your only point is to call us names.  And yet you all are the ones who claim to be the "smart", "nuanced" ones.

Again I can't believe we lost to these guys.

232
Billy Mays not here!

233 Who's everbody else, poon? Far too many people pay no federal income tax at all, anymore... Something that makes it all too easy for them to vote for higher taxation for the rest of us.

234 We've lost millions of jobs in the recession that began last year and continues.

Word.  And for the poons among us:

DJIA end of session on January 4th 2007, the start of the Democratically controlled 110th Congress:  12,800.18
National unemployment rate for December 2006:  4.5%
2006 Federal Budget Deficit:  $247.7 billion
Average Monthly GDP growth for 2006:   3.4%

235 What's telling for me after 8 years of lefties/democrats/loons screaming conniptions about the "fascist Bush regime", is watching as the democrats who control both the legislative and executive branches set up precedent for an ability to push an Enabling Act through the legislative process - what with their blank check placeholders within bills that shall not be read (much less digested) before being voted on and such.

...Add the accelerated expansion of central government's regulatory control down to municipal and even household levels never envisioned or enumerated within our Constitution. Add the recent dissemination of an official security apparatus directive naming domestic opposition political/ideological forces as potential terrorist threats to be watched, the massive income/earning/ownership redistribution schemes to benefit constituent voting blocs, the emergence of race and class based patriotism, a compliant if not complicit press, and top the whole mess off with our executive default moral support for socialist would-be dictators, and one would be hard pressed not to suspect that the democrat party has morphed into a national socialist machine of sorts.

236 poon, I cannot give you the satisfaction of my anger. Talking to you would be mindful of those children who tease dogs behind fences. 

you will bleed like the rest of us. For that I am grateful. Unfortunately those of us with courage will find ourselves defending fucksticks like you when words like I told you so will not matter so much.

go polish the One's knob somwhere else. Surely you can find others of your ilk. Don't go away mad...just go away...

237


Average price for a new green home: $300,000. Yep, the average American can certainly afford that.

238 don't worry, between mark kirk's connivance and michael steele's silence, we're covered

239 224 Obama won 53% of the vote, uncle"facts".

Your guy got 46%.

we actually give a damn about everyone's taxes.

Yes, you want to keep your taxes low and everybody else's taxes high.

You are a seriously stupid fuck. Are you naturally this stupid, or do you have to work at it?

240

Yes, you want to keep your taxes low and everybody else's taxes high.

At what point has anyone, ever, on this site (with the possible exeption of poon, palin steele, TDub, or the other trolls), advocated for higher taxes for anyone?

I can think of one example, which was a case made for special taxes on celebrities.  But even that was sarcasm, and not a serious proposal.

241

poon had to run off to Kos to recharge his hypocrisy and re-up his talking points.

He'll be back later.

242 #3....Alaska????

243 Aside from CA, most of the food comes out of red states.

Actually, I have no problem with red states revolting and simply not shipping food to coastal liberal states.  It would trigger a whole new industry writing new cookbooks on how to prepare wharf rat stew, vacant lot vegi salads, and roof top arugula.

244 you cannot argue with an idiot. They will bring you down to their level and beat you with experience

245

Ginger is Daisy Duke, because I hear she rocks a bikini.

Why aren't more people (besides us) appalled that yet another huge piece of legislation passed in the house before anyone had time to read it? And why is it difficult for people to understand this isn't just about their personal electricity prices (and natural gas) but it will cause the price of every single item they purchase to rise?

And, I'm not sure who the networks think they were pleasing with the wall to wall MJ coverage because every single person I know (even the sheepleist of the sheeple) thought it was too much and was annoyed by it. There was even an MJ article on the home page of WebMD yesterday.

 

246 I want high taxes on the poor!
I want low taxes on me so I can buy more yachts!
I want to start wars so that I can kill brown people!
I want to rape the planet because I think it's fun!
I want to kill polar bears and spotted owls for my trophy room!
I want to throw orphans and cripples under my Hummer and run over them a few times, just to hear them scream!
I am a Mr. Meanie McMeanie!

247

I think Buffet did not do his due dilligence on The One and is now seeing that he got snookered (use the rich white guy to pick up some moderate voters) - just like a growing number of the 52.7% that are seeing the bold faced lies that The One made in the campaign.

Taxing soft drinks - Buffet owns stock in Coke

Tax and Crap - Buffet owns stock in railway companies which transport coal.  Coal provides 50% of our electricity.

Health Care - Buffet owns stock in Johnson and Johnson.  The government will surely mandate lower prices from providers regardless of the consequences of artificially reduced costs (think price - quality - service: pick any two)

Maybe Buffet thought there would just be more Wal-Mart shoppers, not thinking of why.  Plus he could cleanse himself of white guilt by standing with the coffee guy.

248 Actually, thinking about little Timmy...

Consider Obama's past actions when he gave the finger to McCain and Hillary, told Republicans "I won" when they came to negotiate with him, and sent the Walmart top 25 DVD collection as a state gift to the Brits, etc. He is the master of the subtle FU.

His stated reason for wanting a tax cheat to head the Treasury was to save the economy, something Obama hasn't cared about since, and Timmy has failed to do. So, why then pick the tax cheat? Because it is a big FU to the taxpayers who voted against Obama...

249 "the jobs of the future"

Anyone else get the feeling that this "jobs of the future" are like flying cars? They will always be in "the future".  Every time they say it I expect to hear La Bamba immediately after singing "In the year three thousaaaaaaaaaaand....in the year three thousand!".

250 I met a person at a grocery store that thought all this green shit was a good idea, until I told her that it would make all the food she buys cost more.  She looked at me, and had no idea why it would cost more.  The food would just magically appear on the shelves, and she had no idea how or why it got there.

I like to tell people that the recipe for organic vegetables is cowshit, heirloom seed and diesel fuel.

Not to mention bread. Last time I checked, SoCal doesn't have wheat fields.

251 poon is running Resuna.

Check out "Kaleidoscope Century" by John Barnes to se what I meme, uh mean.

252 Obama won 53% of the vote, uncle"facts".

Which, ironically was only 100,000 more votes than what Bush received in 2004.  Not a very impressive showing for hopeychangey when you think about it.

253 I really have no problem with the polar bear and spotted owl one....

owls taste like chicken, and polar bears just need killin

254 the answer to that April would be "never"  but don't let the facts get into "poon's" way

255 You are a seriously stupid fuck. Are you naturally this stupid, or do you have to work at it?

Uncle"facts," your name implies you should argue with logic, not childish name calling.

Sorry if I've skewered a few "conservative" fantasies in this thread, but it had to be done.

256 252 Obama won 53% of the vote, uncle"facts".

Which, ironically was only 100,000 more votes than what Bush received in 2004.  Not a very impressive showing for hopeychangey when you think about it.

Not to mention that the generally accepted number is 52. I bet poon adds an extra inch as well....

257 I always wanted a polar bear rug. Boning on that would be awesome.

258 So, poon, what do you want to do about the injustice of blue states subsidizing red states?  Got any bright ideas other than just name-calling?

259 "Why aren't more people (besides us) appalled that yet another huge piece of legislation passed in the house before anyone had time to read it?"

PGiS, the meme seems to be that the Patriot Act was passed "without debate" therefore it's justified.

Barack Obama and the Democrats really are the demented strawman that they made Bush and the Republicans to be as someone pointed out before.

260 255 You are a seriously stupid fuck. Are you naturally this stupid, or do you have to work at it?

Uncle"facts," your name implies you should argue with logic, not childish name calling.

Sorry if I've skewered a few "conservative" fantasies in this thread, but it had to be done.

And once again you'd be wrong, fuckbucket.

261 Not to mention that the generally accepted number is 52.

RAAAAAAACIST!!!!!!!!11111!!!!!!!!!

262 Axlerod is telling the truth. The poor are going to be reimburst by taking your money and giving it to them.So it won't hit the poor, just the middle class will get ass screwed.

REVOLT! PROTECT THE CONSTITUTION LIKE THEY JUST DID IN HONDURAS!!

263 poon, you've accomplished nothing. take that childish ego that claims victory and run home now. I hear your momma calling...poony, little poony, you're sammich is ready...

264

Sorry if I've skewered a few "conservative" fantasies in this thread, but it had to be done.




And the laughs just keep coming.

265 Buzz Aldrin once fucked a Polar Bear to death Rocks.

266 261 Not to mention that the generally accepted number is 52.

RAAAAAAACIST!!!!!!!!11111!!!!!!!!!

lawl

267

Oh no!! My fantasies are skewered. That's it, I've seen the light, the Democrats and Obama are right. Thank you poon, thank you so much for showing me how wrong I was.

Wow, it really is easier not to think or question and to blindly accept that our Democratic government knows what's best. Now I'll have more time in my day for the important things, like keeping up on the latest MJ news.

268 PGiS, the meme seems to be that the Patriot Act was passed "without debate" therefore it's justified.

Not really.  The truth is, it's because they won and they can do whatever the hell they want.  Their bringing up the Patriot Act is just another example of their false equivalence.

Besides, I thought libs hated the Patriot Act.  Now they want to emulate how it was passed?

269 All this solar energy is bullshit.  Expensive and useless.  Wait till they find out what the upkeep on this crap is.  You don't just set up the expensive panels and walk away and POOF! magic energy.  They have to be cleaned quite a bit and maintained.  I guess this is where the "green" jobs come in....glorified window washers.

270

Of course by skewered fantasies, poon is talking about sweeping generalizations and assumptions neither backed up by fact or logic.

271 PGiS, this just in, MJ is still room temp. "Spatula" will now be part of the new Martha Stewart home collection. It's a good thing...

272 it should have been called the nationalist act...because that in fact is what it was...

273 270

Of course by skewered fantasies, poon is talking about sweeping generalizations and assumptions neither backed up by fact or logic.



You have to think like poon....




ahahahahahahahahahaahhha I can't say that and keep a straight face.

274 I never said their reasoning made sense, chemjeff.

275 I want to kill polar bears and spotted owls for my trophy room!

This is a stereotype that I can certainly get behind. If you amend it to include baby seals and kittens, I'm totally in.

276 275 I want to kill polar bears and spotted owls for my trophy room!

This is a stereotype that I can certainly get behind. If you amend it to include baby seals and kittens, I'm totally in.

So this baby seal walks into a club...

277 Of course by skewered fantasies, poon is talking about sweeping generalizations and assumptions neither backed up by fact or logic.

It completely amazes me.  Liberal Dems who grow up in places like San Francisco or New York City, they are raised by liberal parents and are completely surrounded by liberal friends, liberal teachers, and liberal society, they read liberal blogs like HuffPo, Daily Kos, TPM, listen to liberal commentators like Jon Stewart, Rachel Maddow and Keith Olbermann, take part in liberal protests.... and then they come to a place like this and berate us for wanting to watch Fox News, living in some "conservative echo chamber" (if there only were such a thing!), and generally claim to speak authoritatively on how screwed up conservatives are.  These guys wouldn't know conservatism if it bit them in the ass.

278 Hey USA v Brazil is comin up. I wonder if we manage to win this, will the Jug Eared Fuck have an apology ready to go for Brazil?

279 Perhaps the biggest fantasy maintained by you "conservatives" is that the Red states somehow pay their own way instead the reality of their dependence on massive subsidies from the Blue states to survive

We're sucking them dry.  If we could only fortify our borders we'd have it made.

280 Sorry if I've skewered a few "conservative" fantasies in this thread, but it had to be done.

Just because you type it, doesn't make it so.

281


Hey USA v Brazil is comin up. I wonder if we manage to win this, will the Jug Eared Fuck have an apology ready to go for Brazil?



If it was Cuba, Venezuela or Iran, than you betcha. Of course he'd probably be rooting for them anyway so thats a moot point.

282 Buffet already made millions off of hussein.

Maybe hussein said "no more sir"....rationing even for you.

Anyway, it is a trick....he is still in love with the muslim.

283 Tami, he's the type that gets mouthy in bars, gets the shit beat out of him, then says "you should see the other guy" the next day.

284 This gets better and better.  Can anyone say Smoot-Hawley on growth hormones?

http://tinyurl.com/nw399q

285 he's the type that gets mouthy in bars, gets the shit beat out of him, then says "you should see the other guy" the next day.


Poon is Russell Crowe?

286

Tami, he's the type that gets mouthy in bars, gets the shit beat out of him, then says "you should see the other guy" the next day.


Yep, he'd say:

 " Never mind me, you should see the other guys fists, I broke them with my face.

287 I still say Ace could make a fortune if will all pledged $5 for every troll that gets the bamhammer. 

288 that should read "if WE all pledge...."

289 285 he's the type that gets mouthy in bars, gets the shit beat out of him, then says "you should see the other guy" the next day.


Poon is Russell Crowe?

Probably thinks he's more like Jean Claude VanDumbass...

290

@All this solar energy is bullshit.  Expensive and useless. 

Right on.  30 years ago, I voted for Barry Commoner for president, in part because he was an advocate of solar power.  It seemed like a good idea at the time. I researched it then, and read a lot about it.  Commoner made the case that even though it was expensive then, increased investment and usage would bring the cost down proportionately, as with other new technologies.

30 years later, solar power still not found a significant market.  It is not efficient on a large scale.  And in places where solar panel fields could be erected, other groups of greenies oppose it because it interferes with nice views and habitats.

291 I don't buy the whole red states make less than blue states. Yes, blue staters usually have better incomes but I would say a state like Texas (red) has better living standards. In Texas most people have a nice sized homes w/good sized yards and it doesn't cost $500,000 to have all that.  Texans also don't rely on public transportation and the unemployment rate here in Texas is much better than NY or Cali. So I think it is crap that blue states are paying for red staters. In fact from what I hear that people from blue states are moving to Texas in droves!!!

292 Deety @ 222 -
Wait!  Wait!  I can change!  I can sing the first four lines of "Swing Low, Sweet Chariot."  Just give me a chance!

293 Yes, blue staters usually have better incomes



Yes but those incomes are offset by the crippling taxes. Money that goes into the coffers for the Blue states to mismange, instead of back into the private sector where it could actually do a lot more good.

294 Yeah, but can you sing Kum Ba Ya?

295 Blazer

Very true. Blue staters have to have high incomes because they would be afford any of it.

296 wow, no one seems to have learned anything from Natasha Richardson's death

297 Yes, blue staters usually have better incomes but I would say a state like Texas (red) has better living standards.

Amen to that.  I would rather buy a modest home for a modest price and have a decent income, instead of having to buy a crappy home for an outrageous price, but have a huge income with a 3-hour daily commute into the city.

I have a friend who lives in Bayonne, NJ.  He works in Manhattan.  The straight-line distance from his house to his place of work is probably something like 20-30 miles.    It takes him 1.5 HOURS EACH WAY to get there.  I don't care if they paid me a million bucks a year, I could not stand that kind of commute.

298 poon is ego identified with an ideology and belief system that he has accepted as true.

like all idealogy it is neither true or false. It is an opinion that has no relevance until it bears fruits in the form of lost work product and the slavery of men as their work product is stripped from them. In many ways, I see politics as a continuation of the class warfare that has existed between management and labor. Management has tipped the scales, by inviting government to be their facilitator. In so doing they have invited the devil in.

No man is more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free-Von Goethe

Free men is what we aspire to be. We see those freedoms stripped from us and in that respect...well then...

299 Poon @ 255 -
Sorry if I've skewered a few "conservative" fantasies in this thread, but it had to be done.

Heh, all I've seen from you are well-worn liberal talking points and sweeping generalizations.  Conversely, I've seen some pretty well-thought out replies demolishing your statements (I like chemjeff's reply @ 231 the best).  If you want to delude yourself that you "skewered" our conservative fantasies, when in reality it was you who got pretty well spanked, then so be it.  Whatever helps you sleep at night, I guess.

300

"Here's To You Mr. Jefferson" song by Mike Church

http://tinyurl.com/cwmo6e

"We'd like to know why you haven't read all the bills you've filed..."

"Heaven help these fool that legislate rights away..."

"Ripping up our Constitution every afternoon...."

Click it and share it.

301 thank you

302 The Democrats love the poor, that's why they make so many of them.


Braaaiiinns!

303 Blazer

Very true. Blue staters have to have high incomes because they would be afford any of it.



As soon as my parents retired they got out of NJ as fast as they could with their savings and moved back here o Va. My aunt who worked for Citi Bank in NYC got the hell out of Dodge too when she retired and she and my uncle now reside in the Outer Banks of N.C.

I wonder if poon can explain that for us ?

304 I wonder if poon can explain that for us ?

I bet poon is just angry at all the taxes he has to pay for living in a blue state. Hey, how is public transportation poon? Do u like it?

305 The  taxpayers in wealthy Blue states like New York and California subsidize the people who live in the generally poorer Red states.

So technically, Democrats tax their own constituents and give the money to Republicans.

I doubt that's actually true, but even if it is within those blue states it's the Republicans who are paying all the taxes instead of leeching off everyone else.

306
I bet poon is just angry at all the taxes he has to pay for living in a blue state. Hey, how is public transportation poon? Do u like it?


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Posted by: poon the buffoon at June 28, 2009 01:34 PM (+FzLa)

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Er, I'm sure you mean raped and mugged by the taxes you have 2 pay.

309 I'm sure you mean raped and mugged by the taxes you have 2 pay.

That too.

310

Poon, I'm not seeing any numbers backing up these assertions.

I'm probably lower middle class. I get off easy as far as federal income taxes are concerned (compared to other people). Some of us actually care about the soundness of the economy. Some of us would actually don't want to be serfs in Obama's fiefdom. According to the CBS News, 43% of all Americans are outside the federal tax system. That's not sustainable. At 39%, the US has one of the highest corporate taxes among developed nations, with a byzantine tax code that allows for all manner of sheltering. So if your an established American company, you can pay attorneys (whose fees you will pass onto your customers and will eat away at new productive jobs) to find all those loopholes to get out of paying as much as you can. If you are a new company, not so much. If you're a foreign company, you'll probably avoid the hassle all together.

As to the blue states subsidizing red states, do you have a breakdown as how those actually paying federal income taxes are voting? Did you know according the the Tax Foundation 80% of Alaska residents pay federal income taxes?

311 @249: speaking of the "flying cars of the future" that never seem to arrive, I've been hearing about "Wind & Solar" since I was in elementary school.

It's SCIENCE FICTION, folks!

We need oil, coal, and nuclear.

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http://tinyurl.com/nj7tog

313 IT NEEDS TO BLOCK GOVERBNMENT INTERFERENCE WITH PARENTAL RIGHTS IN ALL CASES

ALL is a bit strong.  Having a kid does not magically vaccinate the parents against stupidity. 

314

Hey, cut Poon some slack. He's still on hold with the DNC help-line.

“Thank you for calling the Democratic National Headquarters help-line. For service in English, press 'one'. Para obtener servicio en espaٌol, pulse dos. Pour le service en français, appuyez sur trois. Für den Service in den Sprachen Deutsch, drücken vier. For tjeneste pه norsk, trykker fem. Для службы в России, пресс-шесть....

(presses “one”)

We are experiencing high call volume then normal. Your call is important to us. We realize that independent thought is hard and logic is scary. Please hold until a Conversation Consultant takes your call.”

315 Hey, cut Poon some slack. He's still on hold with the DNC help-line.




Either that or Axelrod is giving him a very stern talking too for not holding the line and beclowning the whole operation.


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This has been a nice way to while away the afternoon, but I'm going to go act like a lady now and cook some stuff.  My husband's been doing the laundry and vacuuming and cleaning up the kitchen all day.  The least I can do is feed him for it.

317 Poon, I would also say that the Europeans have tried all the stuff the Democrats want to do (like cap and trade) and they have a lower standard of living than Americans. Yes, I'm sure Europeans live just fine but it is still a lower standard living. Have you ever seen the show "House Hunters International"? Every time they looking for a "house" (more like an apartment) in a European country it also small. Most of the time in their showers (no bathtubs) is right next 2 the sink (gross).

318 Most of the time in their showers (no bathtubs) is right next 2 the sink (gross).




You mean they have showers in Europe ?


When Did That Happen ?!!

319
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When Did That Happen ?!!

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Yeah for someone I'm not excited become more like Europe. I like my bathtub and also don't want to shower right next 2 my toilet or sink and pay $500,000 to do so.

320 "Remember Mossadegh was no freakin' Thomas Paine."

No, he was self-obsessed, obstinate, and ultimately unwilling to compromise for the national good (by coming to a win-win agreement with the US or the UK).

321 Did anyone bother to tell poon that conservatives put their money where their mouth is by giving way more to charities than libs do...instead of *generously* supporting taxing other people to pay for bloated gov programs?

What a maroon.

Also...screw Warren Buffett. I am so sick of these supposedly scary smart imbeciles who gave Obama crucial support during the campaign, only now to realize (*GOSH*) he might be an economy destroying far lefty. Like there wasn't ample evidence of that before the election.

Morons! Ugh...don't get me started.

I'm can't wait to find out when Colin Powell  *realizes* his mistake. Something tells me it will coincide with the time most Americans have.

I have Cap and Trade protest pix at my blog, if you need a morale boost.

Get out there on the 4th, if there's a tea party in your area.

322 Global Warming Myth and Marxism - How the U.N. and Marxist Economists Have  Used the Global Warming Myth to Wreck World Economies

323 "At the request of the State agency, eligible low-income households within the State shall receive a monthly cash energy refund equal to the estimated loss in purchasing power resulting from this Act."

This is not just a refund to offset the increase in a low income person's electric bill. It is to offset the total "loss in purchasing power." This might possibly be the biggest welfare program ever created. Spread the wealth.

Since it will be deposited into the customer's account and not the power company's, you can bet that they won't know how the money got there, and even if they do it'll go to bling, trips to Mickey D's, drugs, and other things that remind us why they're always poor.

And we'll get heartrending stories from the liberals about some welfare queen and her 7 kids who are freezing in their apartment because they can't pay the light and heat bill.

324 Terry Ann,

I'm from Europe. Have relatives in Europe, including France.

America is just better.

325
WASHINGTON, June 28 (Reuters) - U.S. President Barack Obama expressed deep concern on Sunday at the Honduran military's arrest and expulsion of President Manuel Zelaya from the country.

What happened to that "we don't want to be seen as interfering in the internal affairs of other countries"

Why do I have a hunch that when uber-idiot Ashton Kutcher emails him with foreign policy advice, Obama actually pays attention to him

326 CoolCzech,

While I'm sure there are some great things about Europe. I just love it when liberals bring up Europe in conservation to illustrate that some policy is plausible they forget to mention the living standard in those countries.

327 Well, the good news is that any US president from here on out will be able to claim legitimately that they "inherited this mess" from Obama

328

# 233 "Far too many people pay no federal income tax at all"

Actually, I think too many people pay federal income tax. I'm at a point where I don't think I should pay federal taxes from my income. Fucking 16th ammendment(I think it's 16th).  Totally unrelated but what the fuck is the department of the interior.

329 Most Americans think the Republican party only represents the interests of rich Americans and oil companies, but we know different, don't we?

poon, find me a Republican working at Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.  Or any of the CEOs on Wall Street.  Every one of them was a huge Democrat donor.  Every single one.

Soros, Buffett, Gates -- Democrats, Democrats, Democrats. 

Republicans aren't rich.  They work for a living.

330 Oh kinda off thread but I've been hearing commercials on radio against
some radio tax
http://talkpac.com/stop-the-radio-tax/

This from an music industry who a overwhelmingly supports Democrats.
What a hypocrite these Hollywood type people are. They vote for
Dems and then don't want to be taxed (see Alec Baldwin railing against
a new New York City film industry tax). I just found out recently that
Louisiana is third in the most popular state to make films. And guess why?
Because they get tax breaks there. Hypocrites!

331 Actually, I think too many people pay federal income tax.

Everybody.  Everybody should pay federal income tax, even if only a token amount.

332 Everybody should pay federal income tax, even if only a token amount.

Double Word.  Everyone needs chips in the pot.

333 At what point has anyone, ever, on this site (with the possible exeption of poon, palin steele, TDub, or the other trolls), advocated for higher taxes for anyone?

I have advocated higher taxes on lawyers.

My reasons are as follows: (1) lawyers produce no economic benefit, indeed the reduction in lawsuits would result in a boon in economic activity, (2) lawyers only benefit from the legal system that is provided to them by the people and as such, for any to get rich off of that system is corruption, (3) lawyers make so much as to dissuade young people from productive activity, such as medicine or engineering and (4) if you require that lawyers pay taxes before anyone else, tax increases will never again pass.

334

Everybody.  Everybody should pay federal income tax, even if only a token amount.

As long as there is a federal income tax to be paid, everyone should pay. Now if we could repeal it  . . . . .

335 I'm still cracking up at the idea that California, how many billions of dollars in debt and looking to DC for a bailout, is a "rich blue state supporting the red states."  Nevermind New York, same story, or Michigan, the only state to have a recession during the Bush expansion.

336 My position simply is that anyone that can vote on the matter of the relative level of taxation should feel the impact of that vote in THEIR wallet. Since its a foregone conclusion that we will not abridge voting rights to taxpayers only... we should therefore ensure everyone is a taxpayer.

337 I'm still cracking up at the idea that California, how many billions of dollars in debt and looking to DC for a bailout, is a "rich blue state supporting the red states."  Nevermind New York, same story, or Michigan, the only state to have a recession during the Bush expansion.

Posted by: HeatherRadish at June 28, 2009 03:18 PM (YzDEL

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Good point. It is ironic how Texas, Alaska, and South Carolina are looking for bail-outs from blue states. And by Texas, Alaska, and South Carolina I mean California, New York and Michigan.

338 Hey, Axelfuck, the Republicans can't do shit, so shut the fuck up and start taking responsibility for what your Muslim asswipe boss is doing.

339 Re Buffet:

If he didn't see the obvious outcomes from this debacle of a president, then he's an idiot who, somehow, miraculously stumbled upon his wealth. It seems impossible, but we have to consider that that happened. The financial markets are filled with accidental "genius."

OTOH, if he did see this coming and backed the debacle anyway, then he's a hack and a fraud of capitalism. Maybe (and probably likely) he's hedged his bets and any economic setback now is merely uncomfortable but tolerable.

Either way, if you are a patriot and free marketeer, Buffet isn't to be trusted. He'll screw you either directly or indirectly. I used to respect the opinions of this guy. Keyword: used.

340 Who cares if Billy Mays bought it. He was a Democrat.

341

Ginger,

This is Obama's plan to save Social Security. Kill all the celebrities getting close to receiving it.

342 Warren Buffet is a complete douche' now and always was one....go and read about how he treated his granddaughter...because well, it wasn't like she was blood or anything.....she was adopted.
 So Buffet has the same mentality as Comrade Baby Doc and all the other little banana republic dictators. Are they from my tribe? No? Well, fuck em...
 The only difference between Buffet and that notoriously awful man J. Paul Getty is a good P.R. man...period.
 Has anyone noticed that Obama "Mr. for-the-poor-folks" only hangs out with the worst of the worst in rich people? As in liberal democrats....
 I know quite a few very wealthy conservatives that donate their TIME and money to good causes all the time in Marin.
The Getty's?.....not so much [or at all.....they are more a "does this help ME ME ME?" group] yet that's who chairman zero chooses to hang out with.
 Oh yeah...huge thinker there.....

343 I wish we could go back in time when the word "green" actually referred to a color, not a piece of shit philosophy that will bankrupt America. Has anyone ever made a list of the fucking "green jobs" that will be so prevalent in the future? I would love to see that list so I can mock it.

344

Don't blame Bam,

Don't blame me,

Blame that fella behind the tree.

I mean, Bush.

 

345 What the fuck does "poon" care about taxes? He hasn't worked in years.

He supposedly has a "disability", but can somehow sit in a chair and type all day long. Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't there paying jobs where you do that?

346

To retain his honor, Buffett should committ sepukku for ever backing Obama.

If Obama was President when he started his business, Buffett would be selling canned tomatoes in Omaha right now at his grandaddy's old store.

Fat phony putz.

347 buffett could have stuck to just making money but he had to go and make a politcal mark.  making money means you have the brains to make money but I don't think it translates into anything else as a matter of course.  Chu is a brilliant physicist but seems to be a moron.  Buffett knows how to run a company but it appears flattering him a little bit works wonders. of course, didn't he make his money by buying up distressed businesses. 

348

Waxman-Markey, anyone???

Anyone ever look at the "Who Benefits/Who Loses? under crap-and-trade?

http://tinyurl.com/nuvbnw

Curiously California and Mass. benefit!

 

 

349  

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Actually, I have no problem with red states revolting and simply not shipping food to coastal liberal states.  It would trigger a whole new industry writing new cookbooks on how to prepare wharf rat stew, vacant lot vegi salads, and roof top arugula.

Actually, the food all comes from the VERY red part of California. The #1 Ag County in the US has Republican representation at the State Senate, Assembly and House levels. Almost none of the food comes from the blue areas.

269 All this solar energy is bullshit.  Expensive and useless.  Wait till they find out what the upkeep on this crap is.  You don't just set up the expensive panels and walk away and POOF! magic energy.  They have to be cleaned quite a bit and maintained.  I guess this is where the "green" jobs come in....glorified window washers.

Not to mention that those solar farms take up a lot of real estate out in those "sensitive desert areas" that the Sierra Club and Nature Conservancy are screaming about preserving.

300
"Here's To You Mr. Jefferson" song by Mike Church
http://tinyurl.com/cwmo6e

All Hail the King Dude!

331 Actually, I think too many people pay federal income tax.

Everybody.  Everybody should pay federal income tax, even if only a token amount.

Nobody should be paying a federal income tax. We should be paying a federal sales tax, collected at the cash register, and not a VAT. If we had a 10-15% Federal Sales tax, the Feds would make a whole lot more money, and there wouldn't be a whole rush between January 30 and April 15 to get 1040's and their state equivalents filed. It would also capture a lot of the black and gray market monies that are floating around. Drug dealers still need to buy food and cars.

338 Hey, Axelfuck, the Republicans can't do shit, so shut the fuck up and start taking responsibility for what your Muslim asswipe boss is doing.

Don't hold back, Mike... Let us know exactly how you feel...

I'm counting down the days until the 2010 elections, when we can throw out the whole bunch of traitors to America, and 2012, when we can throw out the Communist-in-Chief.

352 The "blue states make, red states take" meme comes from a report by the Tax Foundation (taxfoundation.org). This is the report that has "red states" being highly subsidized (naturally, it ignores DC).

I'd suggest a read. The biggest hole in methodology is that they apportion the federal deficit according to income taxes. While it _may_ be true that those same blue states will wind up paying the majority of taxes in the future, it might be best to actually wait until it comes to pass before calling it a "fact".

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"IaIa InOCE "

355 Was that an invocation or what?
Did somebody just conjure up Nyarlathotep in here?

356 @ 347 "Buffett knows how to run a company"

No.
Buffet knows which companies to buy and hold pieces of.
Difrunt thang.

357 Elizabeth @ 327 "any US president from here on out will be able to claim legitimately that they "inherited this mess" from Obama"

Ha!  By then they'll be calling it "a grim legacy from the Bush Administration."

Harold @ 328 "what the fuck is the department of the interior."

National Parks and stuff. 

358 Purple @ 243 "It would trigger a whole new industry writing new cookbooks on how to prepare wharf rat stew, vacant lot vegi salads, and roof top arugula."

Nothing, I just wanted to read "roof top arugula" again.

359 momma @ 128 "PS - The ticker up top says O wrote a letter to Jacksass' family."

Not to be outdone, Jesse Jackson Junior got the fucking House Of Representatives to stand up for a fucking MINUTE OF SILENCE over this piece of shit pill-popping pedophile fuckwad.   

360
You have to look on the bright side of this Cap and Trade Tax bill.  Yes, there is a bright side.  This bill will ensure that there will be no economic recovery before the 2010 elections.  Every political party except the Democrats should benefit from this outcome in 2010.  And I would submit that if the R's take control of the Congress in 2010 that they not immediately revoke this legislation as it will make certain that there will be no economic turnaround before 2012.  Then when those other than the Dem's are in control of the House, Senate, and White House after the 2012 elections they can rescind this bill and all of the other crappy bills that the Dem's have passed since the 2008 elections.  In other words, do to them exactly what they have done to us.

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