1 Thank God we have our court system, or I wouldn't know if it were wrong to strip search a 13 year-old.

2 If that were my kid those administrators better invest in some long-term disability insurance.

3 It's so much harder to have someone "taken care of " these days.

There's your problem right there.

4 Yep; the administrators wouldn't have had to worry about being sued were that my daughter, and good luck getting their funeral expenses outa me too.

5

This is the first time I have disagreed with a Thomas decision. I would have said no to the immunity and yes to the 4^th amendment violation.

6 Oh how I hate zero tolerance policies.  They are utterly freaking stupid.  I do understand the motivation behind it, after all, you can't be accused of bias if you throw the book at everyone.  But they're completely fucking stupid. 

7 Both make sense to me- if the law's unclear, it makes sense to let the perps slide... and if seems like it's a pretty obvious 4th violation. Seems to me that the Supremes kept their referees' uniforms on on this one.

8

That zero tolerance policy is typical left wing crap think. Precludes use of any form of common sense, and substitutes a policy for the ability to make a judgement call, something liberals abhor.

Zero tolerance = Zero brains. Ranks right in there with "gun free zones" as an example of liberal thought, or the lack thereof.

9 That's why I'll never send my kids to public school. I'd go into a berserker rage and stack up some fucking bodies in the school office.

10 "The Supreme Court decided two questions: does this strip search violate the Constitution? Should the officials involved be protected from civil liability because the law was previously unclear?

The Court answered both questions in the affirmative."

In sporting, that's called No Harmed, No Foul.

Where does the 13-yr old go to get her dignity back?

11

These public school administrators think they are Dirty Harry.

That's one of the reasons we don't send our kids to public schools.  And even after this verdict, we won't be sending them there.  That ship sailed long ago.

 

12 Seems to me the court has it backward. Violation of civil rights ought to be a matter of individual liability, regardless of "clearly established law." (Precedent: Nuremberg trials) If the agency involved is also liable, so much the better.

This shit won't stop until the officials who perform these acts face personal ruin.

And if this screws up "orderly administration of government," well, that's a feature, not a bug.

13 So do I need to stop strip searching 13 yr. old girls or not?

14 How can we take this ruling seriously when it doesn't include the input of a wise latina?

15

You should define "strip search" in your post, Gabe, and state what was actually done to her as the MSM gave the false impression for this that she was stripped entirely nude. I don't care about the issue itself much as I've got no dog in the fight, but I recall being pissed off that the MSM made it sound like it was something that it wasn't. Don't do that here, please.

16

A good decision and a small flicker of hope...   

 

17 I hate cases like this. Getting the courts, let alone the Supreme Court, involved in increasingly ridiculous level of minutia is just so fucking annoying.

This is a stupid case caused by a stupid rule. Oh noes! A 400mg capsule of ibuprofen! I just looked at the over the counter bottle in my medicine cabinet and they are 200mg. If the kid had two of those instead this wouldn't be an issue.

I know the 4th Amendment is applied differently to kids in schools but this was a pretty ridiculous search (yes, I know that's not a legal standard but it's accurate so I'm going with it).

I think they should have let the family pierce the qualified immunity shield of the administrator. Perhaps if more people we actually on the hook for their actions, they'd think twice before doing dumb shit and we could get a little common sense back into the world.

18

Oh how I hate zero tolerance policies.  They are utterly freaking stupid.  I do understand the motivation behind it, after all, you can't be accused of bias if you throw the book at everyone.  But they're completely fucking stupid. 

You got that right! Ibuprofen? You CAN'T get high on ibuprofen!!! Am I glad I am not in junior high anymore, because I took it all the time after getting slammed around in gym class.

19   Why can't they actually do something good with their 'judicial activism' and strike down zero-tolerance policies?  That's the root of the problem here.

20 I've always upheld the right to strip search small boys at the ranch.  After all, it's a sovereign state.

21

The qualified immunity issue concerns me.  Coming soon to a health care system near you.

Oh, yeah. The first five letters of "discretion" and "discrimination" are the same for a reason.  Hence the desire for the cover zero-tolerance provides.

22 Zero Tolerance of common sense.

23 I still say the root of the problem is that public schools exist.

24

Okay I'll be the contrarian.  The girl wasn't stripped searched like it has been indicated.  When students are passing around drugs whether over the counter or not the school has an obligation to try and prevent it.  It seems like a catch 22 since if they don't do enough they will be sued and if they do 'too' much then they are sued.  I guess the kids know where to hide the drugs now. 

No suprise again, I'm on Justice Thomas's side of the issue.

25

Oh, yeah.  The school system has had to spend its deductible for legal defense insurance, and the rates for next year will be considerably higher.

I hope the school board takes note of which morons generated these costs.

26 My daughter hit a boy in kindergarten this last year.   She would have been kicked out of school if we lived in Michigan still..

she had a time out instead.. 

how it should have been. 

_{^{The boy had it coming too.  /parental bias}}

27 I caught a student injecting drugs into his arm with a syringe once during lunch hour. I batted the syringe out of his arm just in time.  I took his bottle of drugs. I guess "insulin" is slang for Herion or PCP these days.  He kept screaming about his "blood sugar" I guess that is a new code name for "depression related to coming down from a high".   The kid never came back to school, I guess I scared away another evil drug user.

28

Agree with Empire of Jeff-private or homeschool is the answer.  If you don't want your kid to turn into a liberal, don't send them into the indoctrination.  The sooner we all start screaming for vouchers, the better.  Then, we can send stupid administrators like these on their way, where they can't hurt kids anymore. Sorry-there was a poisoning in my daughter's class, and it took the school two weeks to figure out what to do with the kid who did it.  (stole chemicals from science lab and put them in another kid's food.  Other kids saw it and refused to tell the child who consumed food and poison, and was later rushed to the hospital. Absolutely disgusting.)  That's why I homeschool. 

29 Your snarky attitude is going to get children killed, DrewM. Ibuprofen, or "Proffies", as they're known on the street, are a gateway drug. Do you want to wait until these kids are smoking Tylenol and mainlining aspirin? I know these things. Before I met the woman who turned my life around, I used to smuggle Aleve into Canada. In my ass.

30 You know what? After reading Thomas' analysis of the majority opinion in his dissent, I take back my statement that "this was a pretty ridiculous search" is not a legal standard. It's basically what the majority said here.

They accept zero tolerance policies in general, they say strip searching is okay. They say searching for ibuprofen is okay. All this came down to is you can't strip search for ibuprofen but you can for other more dangerous drugs. The majority really did carve out a "come on guys, lets be real" exemption to their school based 4th Amendment jurisprudence.

Again, this is the ridiculous nature of the Supreme Court giving a thumbs up or down to increasingly small differences in behavior.

I don't really blame the Court, the rules and laws we allow to be passed require this minute level of judicial supervision when applied in some cases.

31

@29.

 

don't forget about kids free basing excedrin.

32 Posted by: Empire of Jeff at June 25, 2009 10:57 AM (dUr3a)

Heh. When I read the first sentence I thought you were serious. Mentally ill but serious.

True fact...in NYS you have to show ID to buy....NyQuil.

33 If she had only been carrying iboprofen with a "Bong Hits 4 Jesus" T-shirt.

34

However, I do recall at the private school i went too kids eating pain killers during the day and doing other drugs. Had they brought in a drug dog on any given day, I would be willing to bet half of the school would have been arrested.

35 It's good to know that when we are all taken to the re-education camps they won't be strip-searching 8th graders.  Just the rest of us.

36

Drew, you need to show ID and sign a paper if you buy Sudafed here in Southwest PA.  It sucks because it is the only sinus medicine that actually works. I guess the drug in it that people abuse is the drug that causes it to function.

 

37

But in relationship to this content of this post. I think it is time we legalized ibuprofen.

 

If you outlaw ibuprofen only naked criminal 13 year olds will have ibuprofen

38

Google up abuse of over the counter drugs.  Its not as ridiculous as you guys are making it out to be.

39 Posted by: Ben at June 25, 2009 11:04 AM (wuv1c)

Yeah, it's because it can be used in making meth or something like that.

I really hate the idea that we constantly organize society around the goal of protecting the weakest among us from themselves.

40 6 Oh how I hate zero tolerance policies.

Note that those who advocate "zero tolerance" are typically those who advocate "nuance" and "relativism" in every other sphere of life.  Somehow, though, a kid bringing ibuprofen to school becomes a crime equivalent to murder.

41 Sudafed contains one of the precursor chemicals used in crystal meth production, Ben. You can tell these precautions are working because there is no more metj in this country.

42 Yeah, it's because it can be used in making meth or something like that.

That's true, but if you get a clever enough chemist, you can make meth from any number of starting materials.

And here's the thing.  I can make poison gas or powerful explosives in my basement and the starting materials are very loosely regulated.  But when it comes to meth?  You gotta have a permit just to buy damn Nyquil.

43 Ben: "I guess the drug in it that people abuse is the drug that causes it to function."

Sudafed -> methamphetamine -> crystal meth == speed

44 there is no more metj in this country.

Hmm ... looks like someone's typing with too much crank in their system.
(I keed, I keed)

45 dont knock it till u try it - just ask polynikes

46 Sorry-there was a poisoning in my daughter's class, and it took the school two weeks to figure out what to do with the kid who did it.  (stole chemicals from science lab and put them in another kid's food.  Other kids saw it and refused to tell the child who consumed food and poison, and was later rushed to the hospital. Absolutely disgusting.)

Wow.  That's like Lord of the Flies freaky right there.

47

Uggggg, cold medicines contain an ingrediant which is used to make meth, thats why they control it hippies.

As someone who has conducted a strip search, its very controlled in most cases but for this case, no search was needed but there was no discretion allowed.  Search was bad but I agree that the officials shouldnt be sued.

also, if it was my girl, bodies would be stacked.

48 Ah the War on (Some) Drugs (and 13-Year-Old Girls), the gift that just keeps on giving.

49 Drew, you need to show ID and sign a paper if you buy Sudafed here in Southwest PA.

It's a federal law.  49 co-sponsors in the Senate, quite bi-partisan.  Fuckwads.

50

Yeah, it's because it can be used in making meth or something like that.

You can make a powerful explosive by boiling piss down, and adding a few simple ingredients. I move we outlaw peeing, or at least make people show their ID prior to whipping it out.

/Braindead moonbat

51

Uggggg, cold medicines contain an ingrediant which is used to make meth, thats why they control it hippies.

I'll have you know that I am no hippie, I actualy work in the White House and have a very important job.

52 there is no more metj in this country.

Meth fingers!

53 Somehow, though, a kid bringing ibuprofen to school becomes a crime equivalent to murder.

What I really want to know is why the feminists aren't standing up for the right of girls to carry menstrual-relief OTC drugs and not have to announce to the whole school that she needs them by going to the office with a permission slip.  Keep your stupid zero-tolerance out of our uteruses!

But I wonder a lot of things about feminists.

54 Would this ever happen at a private school?

55 Josef K.,

The balloon in my ass holding all the Aleve must have leaked, plus the buttons on my Blackberry are really small.

But mostly, the buttons on my Blackberry are really small.

56 Posted by: HeatherRadish at June 25, 2009 11:20 AM (NtiET)

What?  Are you suggesting that feminist groups are inconsistent and ideologically biased?  The horrors!

57

@53, 

Unless a 13 year old is being denied a late term  abortion in a school  in Kansas we don't care!

58

The sooner we all start screaming for vouchers, the better. 

I'll be the conservative contrarian on the voucher issue: hell no.  Once the government starts giving vouchers (and the government money) to private schools, it will open the door to regulation.  They can easily argue that since the private schools are taking government money, the government can regulate what they teach.

F that.  I'll pinch my pennies and pay out my ass to ensure the government can't tell my private school what they can and can't teach.

59 cold medicines contain an ingrediant which is used to make meth, thats why they control it hippies.

And the lab folks aren't buying blister packs one at a time over a period of weeks.  They smuggle it in from Mexico or Canada, or steal it, and assuming I'm a criminal and harassing me when I have a sinus migraine doesn't stop them.  Or they "smurf" it out--hire dozens of people to purchase one blister pack with ID and signature--which isn't stopped by harassing me, either.

60 It's actually true that the restrictions on pseudoephedrine have put a dent in meth production in the US. However, the law of unintended consequences rears its ugly head: much of the production has moved to Mexican "superlabs" which crank out (see what I did there?) more and better product.

61 The balloon in my ass holding all the Aleve must have leaked

And this is why I come to AoSHQ.

62 What?  Are you suggesting that feminist groups are inconsistent and ideologically biased?  The horrors!

I'm saying flat out they don't give a shit about women and girls. As you know.

63 Oh okay, thanks for clearing that up.

64

You know what? After reading Thomas' analysis of the majority opinion in his dissent, I take back my statement that "this was a pretty ridiculous search" is not a legal standard. It's basically what the majority said here.

 

After reading this I too had to go back and actually read the decision and I too change my mind. I now totally agree with Thomas. I should have known better than to disagree with Thomas when I have always agreed with his opinions. He is, by far, the best judge on the bench.

 

This was NOT a “strip search” as was described by the press and it was a “reasonable” search given the stupid policy which is another horse of a purple color. If anyone was going to be sued it should be the authors of the stupid zero tolerance policy.

65 "I've always upheld the right to strip search small boys at the ranch Neverland After all, it's a sovereign state."  There, FIFY!  Also, there are no extradition laws either!

66 54 Would this ever happen at a private school?
Posted by: Cincinnatus at June 25, 2009 11:22 AM (K5AMb)

At my daughters' school, they have instituted random piss tests for the high school girls. This policy was announced to all the parents before implementation, so if you don't like it, find another school. Lockers are able to be searched at random, etc.

HOWEVER. There is a big difference between that and a school strip-searching a child. This is where private schools apply the common sense that public schools freely toss aside. At this level, and in a city this small, you don't do anything so stupid as to kill your revenue for years to come by stripping your customers' kids without their or your consent.

67 1 Thank God we have our court system, or I wouldn't know if it were wrong to strip search a 13 year-old.

Actually, it's this area of law that has given us zero tolerance policies, hence the issue in the first place.

In order not to be subject to liability for being rational and using judgment, they've removed all decision-making. 

If there's something stupid in the law, you can rest assured that the plaintiff's bar is at the root of it.

68 The 'sudafed' law has made it more difficult for the locals to make meth.  Most of it is imported from Mexico now.  More jobs created or saved.

69

OT

Heh! Zerocare infomercial got less than spectacular ratings.

People must be getting tired of the endless bullshit geyser 24/7.

70 polynikes - Please show me the kid wanting to take ibuprophen or hell, even pot, that has been sitting inside someone's underwear all day.  Really, sacrifice everything for the war on drugs, because of lack of perspective?  

71 Extra strenght ibuprofin? I don't care if it was Tylenol 3, I'm all for stripping the culprits and PUTTING something LIT UP THEIR butts. What a bunch of fuckheads! Including the judges. I'd give them something to have zero tolerance about.  

72

54 Would this ever happen at a private school?

Posted by: Cincinnatus at June 25, 2009 11:22 AM (K5AMb)

 

 

yes and no. the teachers would do it as an absolute last resort because they would have to deal with the sucsessful and wealthy parents if the kid got kicked out. that said it happened to kids at my school, but normally because they were idiots. I remember in one instance a teacher was walking through the pit(where the lockers were and kids hung out) and a kid opened his locker and his shubler fell out of his locker and shattered onto the floor. Shubler, for those of you who weren't potheads in highschool, is a mix of a bubbler and a sherlock style pipe. So essentially a water based pipe(google it if you don't believe me).  He wasn't kicked out, you essentially had to be caught selling drugs to be kicked out, which one kid incidently was.  this was a wealthy private school, so the admin didn't want to ruffle feathers and kick people out.

also cinncinatus, shouldn't you be getting back to your plowshares?

73 I wish to hell I could have a note on file at my daughter's school allowing her to carry Advil or Excedrin with her, but no. She gets a headache during the school day and she has to go to the nurse to beg for the meds I've left there. Unfortunately, by the time she can get a teacher to let her go, her headache is often bad enough that it can't easily be knocked out by basic painkillers. (She's always been a headachy kid)

As far as "zero tolerance" policies go, though, they don't work when the administrators decide there's nothing going on. Again with my oldest daughter... when she was in first grade, she was being bullied. The admin at that school assured me they had such zero tolerance for that stuff and would take care of it. They took care of it by calling my daughter a liar (despite the bruises, the crying, and the bully's history!!) and a drama queen and that there was most assuredly NO BULLYING going on, and please stop picking on the poor mexican kid, you freaking racists.

God, I wish I could bring them back to homeschooling...

74 I'll be the conservative contrarian on the voucher issue: hell no.

Well it depends on how it's set up.  If it is just the government handing out free money, then yeah, that would be opening up all schools to government interference.  But if the school "voucher" really is just a tax credit, then there's really no way for the government to claim it has the authority to regulate because it never got its grubby hands on the money in the first place.

75 OT, I'm kinda pissed that I never see myself in the "Recent Comments" bar.

I was hoping to get a screen capture of

Empire of Jeff: Josef K., The balloon in my ass holding all the...

You suck, Pixy.

76

You can make a powerful explosive by boiling piss down, and adding a few simple ingredients. I move we outlaw peeing, or at least make people show their ID prior to whipping it out.

/Braindead moonbat

Posted by: maddogg at June 25, 2009 11:18 AM (OlN4e)

 

Yeah most people have no idea what they could make with the things in their basement or under their sink.

While cleaning her bathroom in college, my sister who has OCD, decided the bleach she used didn't clean well enough, so she decided to give the bathroom a once over with ammonia.  Well the mix, as many of you know, created chlroine gas, and my sister much like a boche in WW1 hit the floor unconscious. thank god her boyfriend(now her husband and father their two kids) was there to get her to a hospital.

77 And, regarding the Sudafed - I have to ask for it from the pharmacist and show my ID and sign on their little screen when I buy it.

Then again, I had to show ID to buy toilet cleaner a couple of weeks ago, because it contained bleach... which is apparently also part of the root of all evil.

78 The last time that I was asked to provide an ID before I could buy cold medicine, I handed over my concealed carry permit. Hey, it's a government issued photo ID, right?

Since this was in Massachusetts, you can imagine the look on the cashiers face.

79

78 rich

 

i do this ALL the time when i am asked for ID. I hand over the concealed carry permit. However here in southwest PA almost everyone has them, so i don't get the response you do in MA.  Is it hard to get one there?

80 Wow, completely O/T here, but Rush is playing clips from last nights Obama Health Care Reform Infomercial/Pep Rally.  He basically told a woman who had a question regarding her elderly mother to drop dead (the mother).  He said "The government can't judge a person's spirit, that's too subjective, we will have rules.  So maybe instead of having surgery (the mother had a pacemaker), she can just take a pill".  He sounded so cold and detached while giving his answer.  All those senior citizens (including all my elderly aunties and their spouses) who voted him are going to be denied care because their ability to contribute to society is diminished. 

81 Farrah Fawcett has died.

82 Pacemaker pills?  *insert "If W would have said that...."*

He sounded so cold and detached while giving his answer. 

Sociopaths do that.

83 Posted by: runningrn at June 25, 2009 11:47 AM (p9lFf)

And nobody said anything about the creepy Mayo Clinic doctors who were complaining that they "waste" so much money on end-of-life care.

84

This is where private schools apply the common sense free market principles that public schools freely toss aside don't have available to them because by law they have to take every fucking determinedly ignorant, broke dick, shitbag that walks in the fucking door. At this level, and in a city this small, you don't do anything so stupid as to kill your revenue for years to come by stripping your customers' kids without their or your consent.

Fixed it so that your second sentence agrees with your first. There will be no charge.

85 shhhhhhhhhhh, don't let our members know about the peacemaker pills?

86 What so damn stoopid about old people with chronic diseases who voted for Zero so they can get free health care is that they will be deemed an economically unsound investment. Mebbe they can suck on that when they are croaking in their beds.

87 Posted by: AARP at June 25, 2009 11:54 AM

Ohhhhh.  Has any of their membership called them out for endorsing the guy who wants to let the old folks die 'cause their worthless?  (Yeah, I know, unreasonably optimistic I am.)

88

And here's the thing.  I can make poison gas or powerful explosives in my basement and the starting materials are very loosely regulated.

I used to clean and maintain swimming pools as an entry level job. It's not hard to make poison gas mixing the chemicals we used--a few fellow teenage doofuses did it accidentally and nearly passed out in the storage shed.

89

I'll be the conservative contrarian on the voucher issue: hell no.  Once the government starts giving vouchers (and the government money) to private schools, it will open the door to regulation.  They can easily argue that since the private schools are taking government money, the government can regulate what they teach.

There is precedent for this. It's also the reason Hillsdale and a few other colleges will not take federal money.

90 W/O explicit pics, and maybe a cool soundtrack,  of said search, who are we to decide?

91 Posted by: hutch1200 at June 25, 2009 12:01 PM (BuM13)

She's 13, hutch.  That's a little gross.

92 Heh. You can make or refine sodium nitrate from the floor of a chicken coop. When will they outlaw chickens? With liberals, stupidity is a journey, not a destination.

93

The admin at that school assured me they had such zero tolerance for that stuff and would take care of it. They took care of it by calling my daughter a liar (despite the bruises, the crying, and the bully's history!!) and a drama queen and that there was most assuredly NO BULLYING going on, and please stop picking on the poor mexican kid, you freaking racists.

Liberal Commiecrats do this all the time. I wonder if that explains the pathologies so many black and hispanic youth get into when they are older--teachers condoning their delinquency when young. Soft bigotry of low expectations and all that.

94 I used to clean and maintain swimming pools as an entry level job. It's not hard to make poison gas mixing the chemicals we used--a few fellow teenage doofuses did it accidentally and nearly passed out in the storage shed.

Yup.  I can go to any WalMart in America and buy enough chemicals OTC to blow up my house.  (Or my neighbor's.)  No permits, no photo ID.  Pool boys and overzealous cleaning ladies can accidentally poison themselves using stuff that we all use on a daily basis.  But to buy NYQUIL?  That's *special*.  You've got to sign on the dotted line, show 10 forms of ID, register in this government data base, come back after the 3-day waiting period....

95

i have found that there is a philisophical difference between a Dr. and a Dr., or one that teaches and researches versus one that practices the application of medicine for profit.  i think the docs in favor of bho's bullshit are the researchers and the teachers of the  medical profession.  they exist on grants and tax dollars and don't have to produce a profit by practicing medicine.the researchers and teachers seem to be very liberal and pro big government - i wonder why.

96 Shalom morons!

Got back about an hour ago. Red eyes are a stone cold bitch. Israel was amazing.

Need to seriously crash here for a while.

See you morons in the overnight.

97

Chemjeff..I'm just filling in for poon till he gets out of work release.

Yeah...You are entirely correct. I apologize to all.. but there hasn't been any esbo pron lately..just sayin'.

98 I enjoy the Obama as sociopath meme.  It has the scent of truth and intelligence about it.

99 Posted by: hutch1200 at June 25, 2009 12:01 PM (BuM13)

That thing you just walked over was the line asshole.

100 Chimney Sweep# 8... I should have tagged it as sarc....See above apology.....Fuck you anyway

101 It won't be that bad.  They'll have some great panoramic landscape footage, and even surround you with your favorite color!

102 . I should have tagged it as sarc.

I fail to see how that resolves the problem. Look, here's a clue: don't write shit that comes close to suggesting what you just did. Ok fuckhat?

103

Sorry to all...just trying to be a troll. Utter fail. My "humor" is best posted on D-kos. But I'll never go there. 1k apologies to all. Just tried to lighten things up. As most people know...I like the hot broads here like Joan..Mrspaulsfistick etc...If I were a real troll I wouldn't use my real post name.

Again..people seemed to go want to shoot their school board.

My utter fail at comedy/humor. I admit when I'm wrong.

104

@87, you would be surprised at how far left organizations like AARP, ACS, AHA, ALA, and many of the nation's leading health groups have become.  These groups are pushing for "affordable health care" so that everybody has coverage.  These same groups are also responsible  for the smoking bans and cig taxes, they are also working on obesity and behind the sugar drink bans.  Point being, the people that give money to these organizations don't really understand what the money is going to.  AARP is run by hardcore progressive democrats in my state, and i doubt if they will ever say anything against obama, as are the heart, lung and cancer. Case in point, where is the American Cancer Society, American Heart Assoc, and the American Lung Assoc on the fact that Obama smokes, at the White House when they beat us over the head and lobbied in every state so that I can't smoke on state property or in a private bar.  I doubt they will come out against obama smoking on federal property and even in a federal building, however if it was Bush - OMFG, they would have stormed the gates of hell to get him to stop so as to set a good example for the children.

105 Man, trollin' and pimpin' ain't easy!

106 I'll tell you this. The parents should have been brought in before this girl was touched. That's just fucked up all away around.

If my 8th grade daughter was stripped searched at her school, it would make all the headlines. And not because of the actual strip search. It would be about the dismembered strip searchers.

107

formerparatrooper @ 104

Quite. And the reason I will never join any of the groups you listed, especially AARP, who can take the express elevator to hell.

108 The really scary part is that these 'educated' people are 'teaching' our children.

109

Waaa waaaaa.

Its you damn republicians who caused all this anyway.  War on drugs this and that.  I'm amazed they didn't tazer the brat after they searched her.

Anymore rights you nazis can take away with the Patriot act?

110 73
As far as "zero tolerance" policies go, though, they don't work when the administrators decide there's nothing going on. Again with my oldest daughter... when she was in first grade, she was being bullied. The admin at that school assured me they had such zero tolerance for that stuff and would take care of it. They took care of it by calling my daughter a liar (despite the bruises, the crying, and the bully's history!!) and a drama queen and that there was most assuredly NO BULLYING going on, and please stop picking on the poor mexican kid, you freaking racists.

Back when I was in grade school, I had a similar problem. Told my parents about it, and they went to the principal which resulted in a trip to the office for me. All in all, it boiled down to the principal telling me "next time it happens, pop the idiot in the mouth, HARD!". So, next time it happens, POW! Problem solved, guy never bothered me again, and all I got was a weak hit to the side of the head.

If that happened today, I'll bet the principal would still be in jail (I graduated high school 25 years ago, so this instance is 30+ years old). My parents would still be paying garnishments on their social security checks, after my dad was kicked out of the military. Instead, 2 kids grew up, and I actually talked to that guy at a reunion, and we had a beer together.

111 See hutch, just add hippy and trolling is fun

112

I'm guessing most posters here have daughters. I don't. I have 2 sisters. I'm 8-10 years older than them. I remember dragging a kid out thru the window of his car because he blew the horn for my sister to come outside. I rang the doorbell with his forehead..and explained the proper procedure for taking my little sister on a date at 19 years old.

The poor bastard couldn't shut his car off, because it had no starter in it..He's now a great brother in law...with 2 beautiful daughters...whom I adore.

BTW whats a fuckhat, and where can i purchase one?

113 Again..people seemed to go want to shoot their school board.

Considering the joys of our school board, I think you can understand why.

114

If my 8th grade daughter was stripped searched at her school……..

 

Why not read the case description?  This was NOT a strip search.

115

106  I was wondering about the parent part.

I don't know the law up there but in the military, whenever a juvie is involved, we inform the parents asap before we do anything like question or search.  Legal is next. 

Inform not require them to be present.

If it was my girl, I would want to be there but I would do the search for them like this:  Girl, empty everything and put it on this table NOW!! or I'm calling your mom.

Trust me, she would put vital organs on the table.

116

Sol Roth @101

Living dangerously? Posting here can get you the stick on a certain pseudo conservative blog.

117 I will handle all the strip searches of underage girls from now on.

118 A-chick, you been following the "Buy a teaching Job in Scranton" on Corbett?

119 I just looked at my Ip address...it fits.

120

See Hutch, there's the problem right there.

19??? Shit, if a boy comes around before my precious turns 40, consider him shot.

121 She really wasn't strip searched.  But I guess AP couldn't fit an accurate headline on their Twitter, so they went with inaccurate instead.

122 "I'm guessing most posters here have daughters."

Yep, three: 15, 12, and 7.

God's way of getting even with me for my teen years.

I have to say, though, that I'm pretty sure my 15-year-old would hand an administrator his ass if he tried to search her without my consent and presence. That girl takes NO shit, even when she maybe should. The other two would probably go along with it, even if it made them feel horrible afterward.

123 Why not read the case description?  This was NOT a strip search.

He and Helen Romero, an administrative assistant, searched Savana’s backpack, finding nothing. Wilson then had Romero take Savana to the school nurse’s office to search her clothes for pills. After Romero and the nurse, Peggy Schwallier, had Savana remove her outer clothing, they told her to pull her bra out and shake it, and to pull out the elastic on her underpants, thus exposing her breasts and pelvic area to some degree. No pills were found.


That's close enough to "strip search" for my tastes.

124 121 She really wasn't strip searched.  But I guess AP couldn't fit an accurate headline on their Twitter, so they went with inaccurate instead.

The USSC itself called it a strip search.  AP can't be accused of making shit up (this time).

125 A-chick, you been following the "Buy a teaching Job in Scranton" on Corbett?

Yup.  There's a dirty little secret that's going to blow up over a whole bunch of people.

126 @87, you would be surprised at how far left organizations like AARP, ACS, AHA, ALA, and many of the nation's leading health groups have become.

Oh, I'm not surprised at all.  What I want to know is if any of the old people they're bilking out of dues every year have caught on to the fact that they're giving money to people who want them dead.

127 A-chick....you would be in the know!

128 Farrah dead?

129 These "no tolerance" policies, and how they get enforced, are yet another stunning example of just how incredibly incompetent school site and school district management tends to be.

130 The USSC itself called it a strip search.  AP can't be accused of making shit up (this time).

We're going to let them define the terms now?  Whatever.

131

Hmmmm. Some teacher did that to my daughter, my first question would be "Why didn't you phone me first?"

and the next question would be

 "DO YOU LIKE THAT,  YOU MOTHER F******ER? DO YOU? YOU WANT SOME MORE?"

132

ot, sorry guys

hey atc, you played it so is  fallout 3 worth playing?  I have a copy right here and need a good fps to start.

133 The poor bastard couldn't shut his car off, because it had no starter in it..

Ohhhh, I have to remember that for my niece's dates.

134

would it not be great if the father of this girl went into the school and just beat the fuck out of everyone involved, stripped them naked and threw them onto the street for everyone to see. sometimes i think the real reason behind our  laws are  to keep stupid people from getting the shit kicked out of them on a regular basis by normal  people who just want to be left the fuck alone.

135 @132, beat fallout 3 its awesome, it also has good downloads get it you will love it.

136 Call it whatever you want, but the AP is just repeating what the USSC called it.

And it's true that the kid wasn't stripped completely naked.  She was stripped down to her underwear and then told to shake her underwear to see if any pills were hidden in there.  I don't know what you'd call it - almost-stripped-searched?  It's humiliating enough.

137 It is nice to see Lackawanna County school bigwigs getting harassed instead of Luzerne County school bigwigs. Did I say bigwig? Excuse me; I meant corrupt, criminally incompetent asshats.

Still a pleasure to see, whether north or south.

138 We've learned Farrah Fawcett died at 9:28 AM today. Ryan O'Neal and Alana Stewart were at her bedside. She was 62.

She died at St. John's hospital in Santa Monica in the ICU.

139 We're going to let them define the terms now?  Whatever.

I'd be more eloquent, but I'm 75% through a bottle of soju and finished off the last of my bowl of curry ramen.  I apologize for being needlessly hostile and using a juvenile retort.

I simply think that allowing the AP or even the Supreme Court to use sensationalist terms does a disservice to the truth and recklessly and needlessly increases the flames of passion and destroys discussion and consideration of a serious subject.  We shouldn't tolerate it when the AP does it, nor the Supreme Court (filled with theoretically intelligent people who should know better).

140

That's close enough to "strip search" for my tastes.

Word.  Especially since we're talking about a child.

141 hey atc, you played it so is  fallout 3 worth playing?  I have a copy right here and need a good fps to start.

It's a blast.  There's some really freaking annoying political overtones to it but really, if you concentrate on the blowing up shit part, it's fab.

142 I simply think that allowing the AP or even the Supreme Court to use sensationalist terms does a disservice to the truth and recklessly and needlessly increases the flames of passion and destroys discussion and consideration of a serious subject.

A 13 yo girl who is told to strip to her underwear and then shake her bra and panties is being subjected to a strip search.  The fact at a tiny synapse fired and they didn't actually make her go through with it all the way doesn't change what it was. 

143

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I just installed my two new ssds and want to get some killing on.

144 I simply think that allowing the AP or even the Supreme Court to use sensationalist terms does a disservice to the truth and recklessly and needlessly increases the flames of passion and destroys discussion and consideration of a serious subject.

You'd have a point if we were talking about the left's endless screeches that Republicans want to KILL POOR PEOPLE whenever they propose merely limiting the rate of growth of social programs.  But we're not.  We're picking nits here.  Honestly, if you wouldn't call what I posted in #123 a "strip search", what would you call it?

145 I'd be more eloquent, but I'm 75% through a bottle of soju and finished off the last of my bowl of curry ramen.

Ahh... the "Soju Experience." Hope you're drinking that inside a locked room. And if you're not, here's hoping you don't wake up face down with a rubber hanging out of your ass.

146 hey atc, you played it so is  fallout 3 worth playing?  I have a copy right here and need a good fps to start.

Great game.  Have fun tearing up the little cannibal families commune.  Unless you join in.  Your choice, I won't judge.  OH, and feel free to work for Tenpenny and nuke Megaton, it's quite spectacular.

147 Wouldn't it be funny if the drugs really were in her bag, and they just missed it during their search?

148

A 13 yo girl who is told to strip to her underwear and then shake her bra and panties is a typical club night in Thailand being subjected to a strip search. 

I hope people understand why we need to have morals in our country so we don't turn into a third world shithole.

149 147 Wouldn't it be funny if the drugs really were in her bag, and they just missed it during their search?

Yeah, they should have searched her locker first.  Then they would have discovered the pipe bombs! LOL

150

#36 Drew, you need to show ID and sign a paper if you buy Sudafed here in Southwest PA.  It sucks because it is the only sinus medicine that actually works. I guess the drug in it that people abuse is the drug that causes it to function.

That's a federal law that was passed a couple years ago. A lot of over-the -counter medicines are behind the counter now in pharmacies. I guess there's something in them that drug makers use to make meth. Don't know the whole story but an OTC allergy medicine I take is, too.  

151 Wouldn't it be funny if the drugs really were in her bag, and they just missed it during their search?

Hilarious. We're still talking about ibuphrophen here.

152 A 13 yo girl who is told to strip to her underwear and then shake her bra and panties is being subjected to a strip search.  The fact at a tiny synapse fired and they didn't actually make her go through with it all the way doesn't change what it was.

Alright, somehow I misread the events.  I thought that she had kept her clothes ON, but had to take off her bra (while leaving her shirt on) and dump it out to make sure she wasn't carrying anything, and pull up the band on the elastic for the same deal.  I misread/misunderstood.

Yeah, that's a strip search.

153 Anyone else amazed at how "yesterday" Mark Sanford seems now?

(He's the South Carolina governor who just copped to an affair.)

154

Yeah Bill...That's  why I buy it by the pallet from the delivery guys.

Used to be able to buy a whole case at the Wlagreens and nobody blinked. Now....

155 Yeah, that's a strip search.

It is a little confusing because the USSC says first the girl was forced to remove her "outer clothing", which is a bit vague, it might be just referring to a jacket or sweater.  But no, it's referring to everything except the underwear.

156 153 Anyone else amazed at how "yesterday" Mark Sanford seems now?

Wasn't he the guy who said "Dyn-O-Mite!" on Sanford & Sons?

157 A lot of over-the -counter medicines are behind the counter now in pharmacies. I guess there's something in them that drug makers use to make meth.

Yeah, supposedly you can cook it down to make meth.  I threw an enormous fit the first time I was asked to show id to buy freaking sudafed and then apologized profusely to the poor clerk since it wasn't her fault.  But seriously, it shouldn't be harder to buy cold medicine than it is to vote.

158

All bullshit aside, if I was Mark Sanford and if 'Maria' is as hot as I think she might be, I would show her photo and just say 'Yeah, my old ass was hitting THIS'

Most people would go wow, okay, give him a pass.

159

@158, I agree, and he could follow it up by saying notice she is not a hooker like spitzer's, fat like bill's and a drug addict like jfk's

160 @150 Bill R.

I guess there's something in them that drug makers use to make meth.

Pseudoephedrine is an effective 12-hour decongestant.  That's the stuff I need to sign a log to get.

The uncontrolled replacement is phenylephrine, a 4-hour decongestant that somewhat works for me sometimes.  I buy the uncontrolled stuff because I can get a ten-year [/hyperbole] supply at Costco for about five bucks.

In case allergies and congestion ever get really bad, I keep benadryl handy.  That stuff works like a champ, but it makes me sleep for at least 12 hours, and I'm groggy and spaced-out for another 18 after that.

161 a drug addict like jfk's

To be fair just wasn't ALLEGEDLY a drug addict until after she met JFK ALLEGEDLY

162 my bad, alleged drug addict is the better description  

163 The most important thing schools are supposed to teach is how to think. Thinking require you to make discrete decisions, i.e., this situation while it generally resembles that one has important differences. This lesson is totally thrown over by zero tolerance crap. The schools work at cross purposes. Like they don't care if the kids can think, only that they obey.

164

She was a drug addict, apparently you did not see my movie JFK.

165

What I wanna know is if you can go backwards---- make Sudafed out of meth.  I was thinking of getting my son out to score some meth and  then set up a Sudafed lab in the basement.

166

Sorry, more O/T but this is in WAPo's "A First Lady of Substance" reporting a very important shift for our beloved First Worf:  "For weeks, Michelle Obama had been telling her staff and closest confidantes that she wasn’t having the impact she wanted. She is a woman of substance, with a background in law, public policy and management, who found herself relegated to role model in chief. The West Wing of the White House — the fulcrum of power and policy — had not fully integrated her into its agenda. She wanted more…She has taken stock of her family life...and found it to be more constrained than she expected...She's hiring a speech writer... and intends to work 2 1/2 days a week, taking off the month of August".  This perfect paen to Michelle even managed to get a good snarc in at Nancy Reagan.  It mentioned a White House dinner where Michelle used mismatched china in contrasst to Nancy Reagan who complained that none of the china in the White House matched and spent 200k on new china.  It's stories like this that render Mark Sanford and his pecadilloes insignificant, oh and the fact that Michelle has an 80% approval rating, the highest for a modern First Lady.

167

Wasn't he the guy who said "Dyn-O-Mite!" on Sanford & Sons?

JJ Jimmy Walker -- Good Times

 

168 How did Tuvok and Worf wind up in charge?

169 What I wanna know is if you can go backwards---- make Sudafed out of meth.

Yes.  Any second-year chemistry student should know how to do it.

170 "...and I'm groggy and spaced-out for another 18 after that."

Drugs cause for that for you? Come over to my side. We call that either "weekday" or "election day."

171 I'm trying to teach my 8 year-old daughter that if the school administration asks her to do something she's not comfortable with (anything from questionable lessons to being asked about something she'd rather not talk about to being asked to do something questionable, to refuse until she's talked with her parents (and she should call ME before MOM).

She's also got a pretty mean punch, a more than passable rear-naked choke, and is learning how to throw knees and elbows from in close.  We'll start formal Brazilian JuJitsu in the next year.  She knows that if someone hits her, she has my permission to hit back and keep hitting until the other kid is on the ground.  She knows if she does, I'll take the heat for her.  And as long as the other kid starts it, if she gets suspended, I'll take her out for ice cream every day for the length of the suspension.

My wife isn't totally comfortable with this, but she knows that it's not negotiable. 

172  it seems that michelle has a problem being a mother. i have three kids, my mother doesn't live with me, then on the other hand, i dont get free airfare form taxpayers to paris for me and my kids either. let me guess, the garden shit is not working out so now she is a woman of substance?  let me take another guess obama/obama 2012. the first first family!

173 wouldn't it have been even funnier if they gave her a piss or blood test to check for Ibuprofen?

174

Wasn't he the guy who said "Dyn-O-Mite!" on Sanford & Sons?

No, that was Brian Dennehy.

175 wouldn't it have been even funnier if they gave her a piss or blood test to check for Ibuprofen?

dude, wtf.  i'm soused and I recognize that ain't right.

176

Someone said something about signing out for nyquil. That is crazy, but keep in mind there are idiot kids who drink that stuff to get high.  And by idiot kids I mean me, once in tenth grade.

 

I drank an 8 ounce bottle of robitussen. Hallucinated for about 6 hours, went out of my mind for about three more hours after that. woke up the next morning paler than i normally was, looking like i just got out of a round of chemo. About one year later i took tussen for a cold(the actually recommended amount) and started to have flashbacks.  Ten years later I have still never taken robitussen for any reason whatsoever.  Boy did I learn my lesson, kind of like how a parent who catches their kid smoking a cigarette will make them smoke the pack.

 

that said, because people like me made a stupid decision, it shouldn't result in it being harder for you to buy it.

177 175. i meant that in jest. they clearly took it too far as it was, it would have been even crazier had they gone even further.

178 Yeah, Souter dedided one correctly! 

I have such contempt for the public school system I grew up with; a collection of untalented, arroagant teachers (with very few exceptions), and dumb administrators, alternatively fascist, and hands-off irresponsible.  The 1970's were the suck in almost every way.

Yeah, this thread plus the Farah Fawcett thing brings it all back; I almost smell Spencer Gifts in the Nanuet Mall circa 1977...

179

Whether it is a strip search or not, all of this shit comes from the stupid and costly “war on drugs”.  When are we ever going to declare that war lost and stop the insanity? There has been a thousand-fold times factor of civil liberties lost from this insane war more so than anything Bush much maligned Patriot Act had. Yet the MSM never harp on this BS.

 

That is because the MSM loves government control of everything.

180 i meant that in jest.
Posted by: Ben
----------------------------

Shit, now you tell me.

(Throwing away empty Robitussin bottle.) Anyway, I'll let you know what really does happen.

181 Now this is very interesting "The Ninth Circuit Curse"

182

180.

 

no i mean the comment i left on post 173 in jest

 

 

the robitussen thing is for real. i would not recommend it. plus it has to be regular robitussen i think the chemical that causes the hallucinations is call dxm or something.  again i would not recommend it at all.

183 chemjeff@169,

Anecdote from organic chemistry lab eons ago: We were learning about some reaction (reduction probably) that involved pseudoephedrine as starting material. In the only lab experiment I ever screwed up (thankfully), one of my distillation flask clasps loosened and the flask slipped into the cooling reservoir. Water contaminated the product, naturally, and it was early in the experiment. I tried to salvage it but got 60-something percent pure. Crap! Not nearly enough yield to get credit. Four hours and an entire afternoon shot to hell. Had to repeat the lab the following week.

Anyhoo, when getting a second volume of starting material to repeat the lab, you'd have thought I was on the FBI's list of noxious criminals. The lab instructor knew I was a good student, so after cursory questions (I had told her immediately about the contamination), I was given the OK to get more material. The materials handler made me provide student ID and sign a form. First, though, he had to consult the lab director and I had to speak to him, too, and explain everything all over.

Mind you, there probably wasn't enough starting material to intoxicate a lab rat, but they had their federal, state, local, university, and department rules to abide by. Ridiculous. It was essentially cough medicine, fer crying out loud, in an undergrad university lab with dozens of observers.

Of course, I won't disclose all the fun I could have had at my medical research institution. Essentially no checks and toxins that could maim or kill in microliter volumes. High volatility solutions that could blow up a room. Radioactive material that could contaminate a building. Did we follow the rules? Sure, but it would have been so easy not to. Compared to the damage that could have been done by us without anyone batting an eye, the state, by watching undergard labs via colonoscopy, was looking waaay too closely in the wrong places.

184

Radioactive material that could contaminate a building.

 

While walking through the radiology department at a “large teaching hospital” that my wife was getting a barium exam for thyroid cancer at I noticed a lot of “yellow poly” bags lying around presumably with radioactive wastes in them. None of them were marked with type and quantity of material. I saw other hazards lying about. This is the kind of stuff that would have caused us to get massive fines and penalties at the place I used to work at.  

185

i do this ALL the time when i am asked for ID. I hand over the concealed carry permit. However here in southwest PA almost everyone has them, so i don't get the response you do in MA.  Is it hard to get one there?

It depends entirely on where you live.

MA is a may issue state which means that even if you meet the state requirements for carry, the local police chief can deny you the permit for pretty much whatever reason.

I live in central Mass and most  towns out my way are pretty good about permits so I've never had trouble personally but if I lived in a town with a hostile police chief, forget about it.

186 The school had nothing and subjected a student to a humiliating strip search. Clarence Thomas,in his dissent, once again proved. that although he has a great back-story,  he is at heart, a fucking asshole who will always defend authority.

187 We are subjected to the sickening spectacle of so-called conservatives "dissenting", and agreeing with the minority opinion that students should be humiliated on state-authority.

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Liberal Commiecrats do this all the time. I wonder if that explains the pathologies so many black and hispanic youth get into when they are older--teachers condoning their delinquency when young. Soft bigotry of low expectations and all that.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at June 25, 2009 12:04 PM (ujg0T)

Yes!  Absolutely corect.  Kids do not see the world by color/by race, adults do, whether they be parents or school administrators.

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