Math in the Age of Obama: WH Will Rely on Self-Counting by "Stimulus" Recipients to Determine How Many Jobs are "Created;" Claims He Won't Stand for Any Numbers Fudged Just to Justify the Expenditure

At the White House today, two top members of Obama's stimulus message team explained Obama's plan of "money momentum." Skip to 1:30 for the good parts of his plan.

But seriously.

Attention workers: If you're getting federal stimulus money, stand up and prepare to be counted. And no cheating.
The Obama administration issued its long-awaited rules for tallying jobs Monday and warned that local politicians trying to inflate their numbers would surely be caught.
As part of the $787 billion stimulus law, governors, mayors and contractors must begin reporting job numbers to the federal government in October. The data collected could provide the most accurate count of workers employed by stimulus money, a number that is expected to be far more precise than the murky and unverifiable promise that 3.5 million jobs will be created by the end of next year.
But for months, there has been confusion over what the rules would be. What's a created job? A saved job? Could a construction worker be counted twice if he worked two part-time contracts? On highway jobs, do you count just the laborers, or also the extra wait staff at the nearby lunch spot?
Under the rules released Monday, the White House told governors, mayors and contractors to keep it simple.
"Just count the people being paid out of Recovery Act dollars," said Rob Nabors, deputy director at the White House budget office.
To avoid double-counting, a job means a full-time, full-year job. So a student working a 9-to-5 job for his three-month summer vacation will be counted as one-fourth of a job. The part-time teacher who works all year is half a job. And the full-time highway contractor who works all year is one job.

Um, if a company employing 500 people takes enough stimulus money to pay 10 employees out of those sums, that doesn't mean any jobs have been "saved or created." That only means they now have "free money" and are paying a few employees with that free money. It doesn't mean a job was created -- the job already existed -- and doesn't mean it was "saved," either, because there's no evidence the company would have eliminated the position but for the money, either.

Further, much of this money is pure pork directed towards specific tasks. If a company takes "stimulus" money to build a dog park, that doesn't mean the money taken has "saved or created" any jobs at all. You can't assume, for example, the company simply wouldn't have been doing other jobs, real jobs paid for by private citizens and companies because they actually need those jobs done.

But Obama is going to simply claim, in effect, that every $40 or $50,000 of stimulus paid out "saves or creates" one job, because that's ballpark average salary. A pork project costs $40,000,000? Wonderful! That means that 1000 jobs were saved or created! Obviously, Obama's dollars must translate 1:1 into the salaries of "saved or created" jobs.

Now that's "Money Momentum!" Folks, we just saved or created 1000 jobs. Give yourselves all a hand.

These utterly fake numbers, with their ludicrously self-serving assumptions, can be "figured" out simply by dividing Obama's stimulus figure of $787 billion and dividing it by the average salary. But it would be too transparent if Obama just did that. So he goes by the slightly more circuitous route of "counting" the same number, relying on the beneficieries of ~~his~~ our largesse to report these same idiotic figures back to him. Took $400,000? Obviously then ten workers are being paid by the stimulus, and that's 10 more jobs "saved or created," and you'd better not say otherwise if you want federal money to keep flowing.

It's insultingly stupid and dishonest, and of course the press will claim -- as they already are claiming -- that this is "much more accurate" than Obama's previous guestimates, which the press, by the way, didn't really inform us were inaccurate to start with.

Let Me Explain... Again, it made perfect sense in my head, but I didn't express it well in writing.

Suppose Obama simply released his own "figures," which assumed a 1 for 1 translation of stimulus spending into salaries of jobs "saved or created." That is, he assumes each and every dollar he spends in stimulus is a dollar that pays a "saved or created" job's salary. Get to $40,000 or so, and you have "saved or created" an entire job.

Now: Everyone would laugh at the ludicrous assumptions in this "calculation."

So he avoids doing that... directly. Instead, he asks those who are receiving stimulus money to report back to him how many jobs are "saved or created" with the spending.

Except that's not what he asks-- that would still leave a lot of subjectivity and guesswork as to which jobs really were "saved or created." He doesn't want that.

So what he asks is for the people receiving the money to just tell him how many people's salaries are now being "paid" by the stimulus -- but instructs them to count these "saved or created" jobs precisely the same way he can't do himself, because it would be so obviously self-serving and based upon silly assumptions.

He can't himself make the absurd claim that "stimulus" money saves or creates jobs on a one dollar in, one dollar out basis. Or anything close to that. He'd be laughed out of DC.

But the "accounting rules" he's given to companies taking the money insist on precisely that -- that anyone taking money report back to him that each dollar they receive pays a "saved or created" job salary.

The advantage to Obama? He can pretend these numbers are "objective" and "vetted" by "independent" sources. So they must be accurate.

Not so: Garbage in, garbage out. He's instructed them to assume all the ludicrous nonsense he himself can't assume in "counting," so he's essentially demanding they parrot back his risible "numbers" to him. He's given them the exact mathematical "rules" they must follow in "counting," and they will wind up being 1:1, more or less, of stimulus dollar spent and dollar received in a "saved or created" job.

This is the accounting or statistical equivalent of money laundering -- concealing the source by laundering it through a front. Obama's "accounting rules" force a ridiculous result, but these results won't come from Obama himself, supposedly, but instead from the front-companies he demands "launder" his silly math back to him.

Obama can't claim 2+2 = 5. So instead he instructs those taking money to perform calculations by the ObamaMath of 2 + 2 = 5. Then these companies dutifully report back 2 + 2 = 5.

Obama then shows off his handiwork to the press and thereby to the public. See? 2 + 2 = 5. I'm not the one telling you so; I have all of these independent companies, who wouldn't lie about such things, telling you so! It's confirmed by outside authority!

And so, 2 + 2 does wind up being equal to 5, at least in ObamaLand.

Thanks to WilliamA.

Posted by: Ace at 05:40 PM

Comments

OT,

Just got a call from Rasmussen polling. First ever, very professional computer. Wanted to know about "The One" and the economy.

So at least one moron will be counted!

Kemp

Posted by: kempermanx at June 22, 2009 05:48 PM (2+9Yx)

2 How come two typical white people are "top members of the stimulus message team"? Where's the diversity?

Posted by: PA Cat at June 22, 2009 05:48 PM (fbBAt)

3 warned that local politicians trying to inflate their numbers would surely be caught.

BWAHAWHAWHOOHOOHOHO HAHAHAHAHAHAHEEHEHEHEEHEE

<wipes tears of mirth>

hoooee

<snicker>

Oh, Obama, you big kidder.

Posted by: Waterhouse at June 22, 2009 05:52 PM (Y/Zn+)

How come two typical white people are "top members of the stimulus message team"? Where's the diversity?

One of them is a gay transvestite, you racist.

So not only is Obama not getting called on the meaningless "saved or created" stat, he actually gets to build on it? Boy, it'll be fun when that shoe drops.

Posted by: Cautiously Pessimistic at June 22, 2009 05:52 PM (ltwze)

5 For those of you familiar with the book, "The Big Con," is Obama a "roper" or an "inside man?" Obviously, the con they're running is a version of The Pay-off. They are setting up the American taxpayer to be put on "the send."

Posted by: Robert_Paulson at June 22, 2009 05:55 PM (zjgCD)

6 Um, if a company employing 500 people takes enough stimulus money to pay 10 employees out of those sums, that doesn't mean any jobs have been "saved or created." That only means they now have "free money" and are paying a few employees with that free money. It doesn't mean a job was created -- the job already existed -- and doesn't mean it was "saved," either, because there's no evidence the company would have eliminated the position but for the money, either.

Ace:
You do not grasp Groupthink at all.
And have a unnerving knowledge of that thing called "math."
Prepare for your escort to the FEMA re-education camp.

/see you there

Posted by: shibumi at June 22, 2009 05:57 PM (OKZrE)

7 geezus ace that vid was painful...where did you dig up that?? Using your utmost stealth....please just put it back.

Posted by: Don't Blame Me, I Voted for the American at June 22, 2009 05:57 PM (Ua9hB)

8 Fox News Alert - Kirsten Powers tries to carry Obama's water but as she opens her mouth, she sounds like a whoopie cushion as her head deflates.

Posted by: Barry the at June 22, 2009 06:01 PM (/+GDy)

This seems appropriate to repost in this thread too:

Anyone who doesn't show up for work [Iranian general strike] is fired, the regime barks.

Does that mean when everyone gets fired and then they apply for each other's lost jobs, that it'll be 12-million jobs saved or created? No wonder Obama's onside with the existing regime.

Posted by: andycanuck at June 22, 2009 06:01 PM (8PGHt)

10 Once a crooked Chicago politician.........well you know the rest.

Posted by: Bosk at June 22, 2009 06:05 PM (pUO5u)

11 Waitaminnit--

Sheriff Joe is going to be in charge of making sure people don't exaggerate?

Posted by: nickless at June 22, 2009 06:06 PM (MMC8r)

12 So there will be no purchasing of materials, renting of equipment, payments for permits or condemning of land? Just payroll, huh? I was not aware that you can use unicorn farts instead of concrete.

Posted by: Holdfast at June 22, 2009 06:06 PM (Gzb30)

13 If a company takes "stimulus" money to build a dog park, that doesn't mean the money taken has "saved or created" any jobs at all.

But it does mean that a dog park was saved or created. Certainly that must count for something.

Posted by: SlaveDog at June 22, 2009 06:07 PM (LDTnn)

Earth to Hussein, you haven't created shit other than a wretched and stagnant economy, which is what you wanted. Unemployment is steadily rising; at least 4 states have double digit unemployment. You stupid motherfuckers in DC, we're losing jobs.

Dear God, the greatest nation in the history of Man is being run by bedwetting socialist retards that cower on the national stage while theocratic dictators in filthy pajamas butcher their citizens.

Posted by: The Great Satan� at June 22, 2009 06:09 PM (71Zq0)

15 "But it does mean that a dog park was saved or created. Certainly that must count for something."

Dam straight, woof!

Posted by: B.O. at June 22, 2009 06:09 PM (Gzb30)

16
Got Change?

Here's a good SNL skit that shows what it would be like if Obama ran a bank.

Posted by: Unicle tweets at June 22, 2009 06:10 PM (Bmhek)

17 So there will be no purchasing of materials, renting of equipment, payments for permits or condemning of land? Just payroll, huh? I was not aware that you can use unicorn farts instead of concrete.

Not to mention 'overhead.' 'Overhead' is where the money is.

You can make a pretty sweet living off 'overhead.'

Posted by: nickless at June 22, 2009 06:10 PM (MMC8r)

18 What is this "mathematics" to which you refer and seem to think is so important?

Posted by: Typical Obama Voter at June 22, 2009 06:12 PM (ZGhSv)

19 See the only dishonest count will be from Republican Haters. All other counts from loyal lapdogs will be pure as an Iranian election.

Chelly? Ice Cream?

No?

Girls want Daddy Prezzington to get you some Maple Syrup from Maine?

Lobster?

I can't stay in this place there's too many hard things that make me think in here...

Posted by: Barry Obama at June 22, 2009 06:12 PM (Am6n/)

20 I'm also thinking of having everyone whose job is being saved or created thanks to my giant brain and earthshaking munificence getting the ARRA logo tattooed on their forehead. It'll make it easier for ACORN to double-check the numbers those thieving capitalists send me.

Posted by: Barack I the Custardy, Emperor of the United States at June 22, 2009 06:13 PM (Y/Zn+)

21 I was told there would be no math.

Posted by: ricky at June 22, 2009 06:13 PM (UkL5l)

22
I live in New Hampshire. Things are not dire as they are over the boarder in Masshole land, but things are tough. Lots of professional people over 50 years old laid off with little or no job prospects. Kids coming home from college are idle.
Even the local Walmart is not accepting jobs.

A couple of days ago the "American Recovery and Reinvestment" circus came to town. Paved a perfectly good road in front of the civil offices of the town, for about 200 yards. Tied up traffic with large Obama cheerleading stickers on billboards advertising their work. Then they left. My friends are still unemployed wondering how they will get their kids through college, and wondering whether the loans and investment will ever be worth it.

Posted by: Mr. Peabody at June 22, 2009 06:13 PM (gxVc6)

23 How many people work at GM or Chrysler? If the government buys an industry do all those jobs count in this new math?

Posted by: SRettig at June 22, 2009 06:14 PM (a8snH)

Here in Philly, the only jobs being created or saved are government jobs. The administrative end of it is a total bear. Lotsa shiny new cubicles in the government sector.

Among the many ironies is that training programs for weatherization, one of dem green industries, are being put on hold. The state of PA wants to develop their own certification for the whole she-bang of weatherization. PR, dontcha know.

Yeah, that'll take awhile, and a whole bunch of goobers to set it up. Job security for a bunch of bureaucrats. This is a never-ending trough of government goodies.

Posted by: Rocky Balboa at June 22, 2009 06:15 PM (YpNr0)

25 If a squander spend $200,000 worth of Obama bucks grant money on hookers and blow, does this mean I have to declare the hookers and dope dealers as jobs saved or created?

Posted by: Purple Avenger at June 22, 2009 06:16 PM (Slx41)

26 So, let's see the stimulus was about $800 billion (I'm rounding up out of generosity). So using my keen pencil and paper, I forecast that Obama saved or created 800,000,000,000/40,000=20 million jobs. Wow, he's even more awesome than he can say himself!

Of course the federal budget is what $4 trillion or so? Thus 100 million jobs are being destroyed this year due t the existence of the federal government. Oopsie.

Posted by: Methos, math genius (and king of sockpuppets) at June 22, 2009 06:18 PM (wU8X9)

27 Why doesn't Barry have each one of those workers paid out of the porkulous bill account for what they spend the money on? Then they can claim supermarket workers, mechanics, lawn care jobs, etc., etc., etc. are being 'saved' by them, too...

Posted by: nickless at June 22, 2009 06:19 PM (MMC8r)

Zero's continuous countdown clock just said 1307 da. 21 hr. 46 mi. 41 sec.

"""sigh"""

Posted by: paranoid polly at June 22, 2009 06:19 PM (YLNjm)

29 Didn't the Enron guys go to the joint for this kind of accounting?

Posted by: Steve L. at June 22, 2009 06:20 PM (pQaIW)

30 Remember, all math to BHO is fuzzy math. You don't explain it. It is just There. Now be good ittle girls and boys and turn on CNN for the rest of the story.

Posted by: Mystry at June 22, 2009 06:21 PM (dIHlE)

31 I could employ a lot of people for $20k/yr/person digging holes and filling them back in. Why bother using up mother Gaia's valuable natural resources producing worthless shit like Roosevelt did. I say cut out the middleman and simply pay them to do nothing.

Posted by: Purple Avenger at June 22, 2009 06:21 PM (Slx41)

32 This is why madoff is in the pokey getting reamed, can we put this pos there too? In time grasshoppers, in time, someone is building a case as we type!!!!

Posted by: 'Nam Grunt at June 22, 2009 06:23 PM (MZMca)

33
We are ALL citizens of Chicago now.

Posted by: Dang Straights at June 22, 2009 06:23 PM (DvWTI)

34
Here's another version of First Citiwide Change Bank.

"People ask us how we make money.

Volume."

Posted by: Unicle tweets at June 22, 2009 06:24 PM (Bmhek)

35 And so, 2 + 2 does wind up being equal to 5, at least in ObamaLand.

Uh, could you hand me that eraser? I wrote down 3

Posted by: Joe Biden at June 22, 2009 06:25 PM (cGmnP)

36 Do we get to subtract all the jobs lost to tax increases?

Posted by: ricky at June 22, 2009 06:27 PM (UkL5l)

The really sad part in all of this is that there are millions out there that will believe this bullsh.. and take it as gospel.

We have an arguement here in Michigan right now about signs placed at road construction sites stating "Project Funded By American Recovery and Reinvestment Act." Repubs say signs will cost $308,000, Dems say they will cost $123,000. I think both are lying, cost probably somewhere in the middle. This money could fund a whole other project, plus a distraction for drivers in a construction zone. Gov. Granholm's Press Sec says signs are required by the recovery act, but next sentence in article says, "The Federal Highway Administration has strongly recommended posting signs that indicate which projects are recovery projects." That doesn't sound like "required" to me. Michigan has possibly the worst unemployment in U.S. and they are wasting money on this stupid stuff. Only reason some are worse is because everyone who could has already left this state. God I wish she had become a Supreme Court Justice!

Posted by: Bill R. at June 22, 2009 06:29 PM (EhlQq)

38
Hey if Hillary can turn $1000 into $100,000 in a matter of weeks, shouldn't SHE be the one doing the 'Jobs Created And Saved' [aka JCAS pr: jak-ass] headcounts?

Posted by: Dang Straights at June 22, 2009 06:30 PM (DvWTI)

39 Hey, if you can create money out of thin air, why not jobs? It's not like there are consequences.

Posted by: Timmy Geithner, age 6 at June 22, 2009 06:30 PM (/1LEy)

40 Do we get to subtract all the jobs lost to tax increases?

Dude. Duuuuuude.

There is no subtraction in Obamamath.

Posted by: SlaveDog at June 22, 2009 06:33 PM (LDTnn)

41 The really sad part in all of this is that there are millions out there that will believe this bullsh.. and take it as gospel.

But they still won't have a job.

Posted by: SlaveDog at June 22, 2009 06:34 PM (LDTnn)

42 They took our saved jurbs!

Posted by: The Goobacks at June 22, 2009 06:35 PM (cGmnP)

43 According to the data at data360.org there are approx 19,734,000 federal employees. So I guess by Bambi McFucknut's accounting method he saved or created nearly 20 million jobs this year alone!

Posted by: rockhead at June 22, 2009 06:36 PM (RykTt)

Let Me Explain... Again, it made perfect sense in my head, but I didn't express it well in writing.

That's the second time lately that you've restated something that I followed perfectly the first time. I don't know what that says about me, but I think I should be worried. Very worried. <backs slowly away from the keyboard>

Posted by: Mama AJ at June 22, 2009 06:37 PM (X6Zdh)

I knew from the start they'd pull shit like this.

For instance: Random highway project that was approved at the state level a year ago at a cost of $5 million dollars, with 200 people employed. They get $50,000 (1% of the total cost) of "stimulus" money to help defay the cost, and Obama claims 200 jobs "created or saved".

Every person employed by a project- even if it was going to happen without "Stimulus" money, and even if that money was only a small fraction of the total cost- will be counted as jobs "created or saved".

And the MSM won't lift a fucking finger to call him on it.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at June 22, 2009 06:39 PM (rf03a)

46 #37 Feel sorry for you dude. We here in Ohio are right behind you. All states could do a lot with their money, if they did not do stupid stuff with it..MI. and Oh are on the ropes because we no longer have any senior Representaves or Senators in position on Committees.

Posted by: Mystry at June 22, 2009 06:39 PM (dIHlE)

And so, 2 + 2 does wind up being equal to 5, at least in ObamaLand.

I knew it would come to this. Someone please pass me some Victory Gin.

Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at June 22, 2009 06:40 PM (AJ4xq)

48
And the MSM won't lift a fucking finger to call him on it.

If it makes you feel any better, neither will we.

Posted by: GOP Leadership at June 22, 2009 06:44 PM (DvWTI)

49 tweets thanks for the links

hey, I could use some of that dough to create jobs...really

Posted by: KJ, Sactown Mayor, Queen of Sockpuppets at June 22, 2009 06:47 PM (Ua9hB)

Fox News Alert - Kirsten Powers tries to carry Obama's water but as she opens her mouth, she sounds like a whoopie cushion as her head deflates.

Now you've done it. Forget about Allahpundit inviting you to the Green Room for the Allah/Andrew Levy circle jerk.

Posted by: jaleach at June 22, 2009 06:47 PM (gHrZU)

51 I only drink "Love on the Lake" (Miller Lite, cause it's fucking near water), but when the impeachment hammer comes down I'm buying a case of good scotch, no matter the price!!!

Posted by: 'Nam Grunt at June 22, 2009 06:48 PM (MZMca)

52 HOW MANY LIGHTS ARE THERE? ANSWER ME!

Posted by: Kranix at June 22, 2009 06:49 PM (00Qub)

53 If i can panhandle some of that stimmoney do I get to be employed?

Posted by: bum at June 22, 2009 06:50 PM (85dRU)

54 In the Detroit area, you can't beg, borrow or steal a job, and those who are working now won't necessarily be working by the end of the year. Thanks Democrats and most especially Gov. Jennifer Gran-incompetent. Guess that begging and groveling to Lord Obama really worked.

Oh wait, we have those film jobs that employ a half dozen people for six weeks at a time. Fan-f*cking-tastic.

/backup job plan: weekend foot hooker in Nevada

Posted by: shibumi at June 22, 2009 06:50 PM (OKZrE)

55 Hello! [waving at Obama], don't forget to add me to your equation.

Posted by: Double Digit Unemployment at June 22, 2009 06:51 PM (71Zq0)

56 Posted by: KJ, Sactown Mayor, Queen of Sockpuppets at June 22, 2009 06:47 PM (Ua9hB)

Dude (who voted for the American), you gotta earn that.

Posted by: Methos the humble (and king of sockpuppets) at June 22, 2009 06:52 PM (wU8X9)

57 assuming 40k/job... then perfect efficiency would produce 20 million jobs as a result of the "stimulus" package that was about 800 billion. Assuming no waste/corruption/overhead.

If he says 3 million jobs, then that is averaging close to 275k/job.

Posted by: A.G. at June 22, 2009 06:54 PM (x7UaP)

58 hmm...foot hooker. I could get some young girls summer jobs, teach them a trade...

Posted by: KJ, Sactown Mayor, Humanitarian at June 22, 2009 06:55 PM (Ua9hB)

Unemployment is steadily rising; at least 4 states have double digit unemployment. You stupid motherfuckers in DC, we're losing jobs.

Let's be fair. Plenty of stupid motherfucker democrats at the state level helped. A lot.

Dear God, the greatest nation in the history of Man is being run by bedwetting socialist retards that cower on the national stage while theocratic dictators in filthy pajamas butcher their citizens.

The Decline and Fall of the United States of America happened because its citizens were afraid of being called racists.

Posted by: jaleach at June 22, 2009 06:56 PM (gHrZU)

60 LOL at #13.

Posted by: Who Are We Kidding? de Blog at June 22, 2009 06:57 PM (1Bods)

61
Dude (who voted for the American), you gotta earn that.

Will a kiss and a reach around do?

Posted by: Queen Methos, basking in her afterglow at June 22, 2009 06:59 PM (Ua9hB)

62

Dow down 200 points at the end of trading today.

Must surely be a coincidence.

Posted by: Tinian at June 22, 2009 07:00 PM (70sTG)

63 57 assuming 40k/job... then perfect efficiency would produce 20 million jobs as a result of the "stimulus" package that was about 800 billion. Assuming no waste/corruption/overhead.

Did you say 40k ?

Posted by: 20 million illegal mexicans who want to vote at June 22, 2009 07:02 PM (vKdhq)

64 #55

Don't forget about me either! I'm the end result of a reckless Treasury policy more interested in paying off special interests than keeping a stable currency. Ever wanted to know what a 20,000 sub tasted like?

Anyway, in the end, there will be only...me and my buddy, double-digit unemployment!

Posted by: Monetary Devaluation at June 22, 2009 07:04 PM (otlXg)

65 - Obama can't claim 2+2 = 5. So instead he instructs those taking money to perform calculations by the ObamaMath of 2 + 2 = 5. Then these companies dutifully report back 2 + 2 = 5.

Ace, thanks for making the point I've been stressing for months, using the very same algorithm I did, which epitomizes the problem.

Unfortunately Obama can - and will - claim that 2 + 2 = 5 by forcing the nation to agree that it's true, just as you've stated. And he'll get away with it because the fact is that we live in a 2 + 2 = 5 world now.

We let it happen by constantly compromising with moral adolescents who insist that 2 + 2 = 6.

Posted by: goy at June 22, 2009 07:05 PM (+Gze8)

66 Holy skittle shi$$in' unicorns, we are in trouble ...

If he gets away with this, I'm going to David Carradine myself.

Posted by: midge at June 22, 2009 07:05 PM (QUzCV)

67 So, using Oblogic^TM, there was not one civilian death, in both Iraq and Afghan., during Bush's term because not even one accidental casualty ever filled out the "AC"form, so they could be counted?

Posted by: momma at June 22, 2009 07:09 PM (penCf)

68 Unfortunately Obama can - and will - claim that 2 + 2 = 5 by forcing the nation to agree that it's true, just as you've stated.

"Of course we can all agree that 2+2 does indeed = 5, there's no longer any doubt about that."

Posted by: Dang Straights at June 22, 2009 07:09 PM (DvWTI)

69 If he gets away with this, I'm going to David Carradine myself.

That'll take balls .

Posted by: Bill D. Cat at June 22, 2009 07:09 PM (vKdhq)

70 69, Bill D. Cat at June 22, 2009 07:09 PM

And fishnet stockings!

Posted by: 'Nam Grunt at June 22, 2009 07:11 PM (MZMca)

71 This may hurt less if we concentrate more on the Thai tranny pron and hobos.

Posted by: King for How Long? de Blog at June 22, 2009 07:11 PM (1Bods)

72 Unfortunately Obama can - and will - claim that 2 + 2 = 5 by forcing the nation to agree that it's true, just as you've stated. And he'll get away with it because the fact is that we live in a 2 + 2 = 5 world now.

I am really not too worried about Barry getting away with shit. This whole tragic socialism experiment is going to blow up. Some times, it takes great douche bags like He to polarize folks. I am thinking in that sense, he may really be the One...

Posted by: Don't Blame Me, I Voted for the American and other shit at June 22, 2009 07:11 PM (Ua9hB)

73 Great column. I have only one question: "What?"

Posted by: bullwhacker at June 22, 2009 07:12 PM (v4YIc)

74 Once Obama's popularity drops below 50% it will likely tumble quickly to 35-38%.

Then the MSM will double down on their Obama bet. But it won't matter.

"Saved or created" will sound ridiculous even to the waterhead middle when unemployment continues to climb and the "green shoots" CNBC keeps insisting are out there prove to be so many weeds.

Posted by: Ms. Jackson if You're Nasty de Blog at June 22, 2009 07:15 PM (1Bods)

75 0bama already created my job once and saved it at least five times now.

Posted by: Cicero at June 22, 2009 07:16 PM (QKKT0)

Unemployment is steadily rising; at least 4 states have double digit unemployment. You stupid motherfuckers in DC, we're losing jobs.

Not quite

http://tinyurl.com/lzf8j9

More than one-quarter of American states now have unemployment rates higher than 10%, and all but two saw a further deterioration in their job markets in May.

Tennessee and Illinois joined the rank of states, now 13, that have jobless rates exceeding 10%, and eight states -- including California, Florida and Georgia -- reached their highest level of joblessness since records began in 1976, the Labor Department reported Friday in Washington.

Posted by: William Amos at June 22, 2009 07:17 PM (Sd981)

77 I'm buying a case of good scotch, no matter the price!!!

I'm more of live for the moment kind of guy, so I'm buying 1.75's of Old Smuggler and guzzling it now.

Posted by: joh at June 22, 2009 07:17 PM (jgwoG)

78 The administration officials were obviously educated at L.A. Unified School District.

Posted by: MrsPaulsFishSticks at June 22, 2009 07:17 PM (PBGAP)

79 76, William Amos at June 22, 2009 07:17 PM

The Republic of Texas is more than the shining light for Americans, bring your guns, knowledge, bibles and Conservatism, we are a whole other country.

Posted by: 'Nam Grunt at June 22, 2009 07:20 PM (MZMca)

80
Yeah, but the Pell Grants have been increased. Yay!

Oh, and free solar panels for the elderly!

Posted by: Unicle tweets at June 22, 2009 07:23 PM (Bmhek)

81 I'm back!

Posted by: Misery Index at June 22, 2009 07:23 PM (71Zq0)

82 Yup, this is what you get when you have tax cheats running the government. People who can't count to 11 while keeping their socks on, and with the ethics of...tax cheats.

Posted by: chemjeff at June 22, 2009 07:27 PM (sdE7F)

83 The misery index showed that the period 1983 to 2008 was the most prosperous in all of human history. The fact that it showed little misery in America at the exact time America turned away from 50 years of socialist twaddle should not be lost to history.

Obama is bringing sexy misery back.

But the index was always there.

Posted by: You Never Really Left Us de Blog at June 22, 2009 07:28 PM (1Bods)

84 Yeah, but the Pell Grants have been increased. Yay!

Oh, and free solar panels for the elderly!

Whoopee! I hope the government cheese makes a comeback too! Just as long as they don't try to do government bacon, because they will just screw it up and ruin bacon forever.

Posted by: chemjeff at June 22, 2009 07:28 PM (sdE7F)

My feeds are 20 min. behind so if Ace already has a post about this, please let me know.

http://tinyurl.com/lwgbhp

I hate Obama and his mouth piece more and more everyday.

At his daily media briefing, spokesman Robert Gibbs said Obama received briefings on the Iran situation and also followed events through television coverage.

"I think he has been moved by what we've seen on television," Gibbs said, adding that the president was particularly affected by images of women braving the crackdown "to speak out and be heard."

"This isn't about a foreign policy that makes us feel good," Gibbs said. "This isn't about a statement that makes us feel good or sound good on television."

Gibbs said Obama "continues to have concerns and questions ... about how that election was conducted."

Iran's leaders were "being held accountable" by the continuing street demonstrations, Gibbs said, adding that televised images of the government's bloody crackdown were harming Iran's image around the world.

Posted by: momma at June 22, 2009 07:28 PM (penCf)

86 What's funny is this directive to be clear and not fudge the numbers. Normally federal grant funds would be subject to oversight by the Office of the Inspector General, and I can attest from personal experience that those people can be very, very picky (anal might be the best terminology). But I think we can safely say that this will not be too much of an issue for recipients of stimulus money as long as the recipient happens to vote the right way and donate to the right campaigns.

Posted by: Ghost of Lee Atwater at June 22, 2009 07:30 PM (gEU82)

87 Nom de Blog, I asked Maetenloch that question last night and I don't think I got a response. While I'd like to claim it's until someone tops 250 in a week, he's the final arbiter and it's probably just whoever wins the count next Sunday.

On topic, I think I read somewhere that my home state of Illinois got the biggest cut of the stimulus by any state. I'm looking forward to how they explain the lack of impact of the money (as I bet a good bit of it will be shunted off for Democrat's legal defense fund).

Posted by: Methos the really straight boring guy (and king of sockpuppets) at June 22, 2009 07:31 PM (wU8X9)

88 Gibbs is a cockholster, that guy from the Black Eyed Peas should have railed on his pussy fat ass too!!! I wish I could get the chance, maybe after the impeachment happens!!

Posted by: 'Nam Grunt at June 22, 2009 07:31 PM (MZMca)

89 The misinformation that gets shoved down our throats is astounding. Goebbels would be proud.

Posted by: angered at June 22, 2009 07:33 PM (DpoMM)

90 "Saved or created" will sound ridiculous

Thats because you left off the 'Jobs' portion - JOBS Saved And Created - JCAS.

Posted by: Dang Straights at June 22, 2009 07:33 PM (lpBl3)

91 Yeah, but the Pell Grants have been increased. Yay!

Oh rly? Well I guess it's a good thing I'm finally destitute enough to use them huh?

Posted by: pajama momma at June 22, 2009 07:35 PM (kWQTL)

Citizens of Obamanation, do not listen to Monetary Devaluation, Double Digit Unemployment or Misery Index. They are no longer relevant in Obama economics. No longer will our economic policy be based on rightwing trickery like supply and demand or profit and loss. We are now making policy based upon feelings. Now have some skittles and enjoy the ride.

Posted by: Treasury Secretary at June 22, 2009 07:36 PM (71Zq0)

93 Pell grants are just another welfare baby, what needs to happen is PARENTS raising there children to study hard and learn personal responsibility from day one and be more responsible instead of being buddies with their children and wondering where they went wrong when they commit a crime in jest!!!

Posted by: 'Nam Grunt at June 22, 2009 07:39 PM (MZMca)

94
Yup, this is what you get when you have tax cheats, incompetents, liars, and cocksuckers running the government.

fixed.

Posted by: Unicle tweets at June 22, 2009 07:40 PM (Bmhek)

Will someone please explain what the hell 'unicode' is? I get the general def. the word implies, but that is all. I tried to send this to Ace but that stupid 'must be sent as unicode' box came up.

Powwers that be, get this to Ace, Drew, whom ever. This is an awesome interview by CNN 'Morning America" of an Iranian protester that called in. The entire thing is worth a read.

http://tinyurl.com/l76uga

For about three decades our nation has been humiliated and insulted by this regime. Now Iranians are united again one more time after 1979 Revolution. We are a peaceful nation. We don�t hate anybody. We want to be an active member of the international community. We don�t want to be isolated. Is this much of a demand for a country with more than 2,500 years of civilization? We don�t deny the Holocaust. We do accept Israel�s rights. And actually, we want � we want severe reform on this structure. This structure is not going to be tolerated by the majority of Iranians. We need severe reform, as much as possible.

...especially I�m addressing President Obama directly � how can a government that doesn�t recognize its people�s rights and represses them brutally and mercilessly have nuclear activities? This government is a huge threat to global peace. Will a wise man give a sharp dagger to an insane person? We need your help international community. Don�t leave us alone.

Posted by: momma at June 22, 2009 07:41 PM (penCf)

96
You 20th century cretins don't understand. Giving out billions in Pell Grants will pay dividends in the years to come. It's all about education, you see.

1. Give away Pell Grants
2. Diploma
3. ?
4. Dividends to the taxpayer!

Posted by: Unicle tweets at June 22, 2009 07:42 PM (Bmhek)

97 Those who insist that 2 + 2 = 4 are just angry that a black man is president

Posted by: Janeane Garbuffalo at June 22, 2009 07:47 PM (7FgWm)

98
Look, it's just like the reasoning behind the $4B scam plan called the Cash for Clunkers program.

1. Government gives away $4500 to people who buy a car that is more fuel efficient (>10mpg) than their old car.
2. New car owner save gas $$
3. Auto Workers and dealerships save their jobs
4. And then somehow the taxpayer is reimbursed.
5. Bonus: the environment is saved!

Posted by: Unicle tweets at June 22, 2009 07:47 PM (Bmhek)

99 I reject the false choice between counting a federally subsidized job as a created job, or counting it as four saved jobs at the same time.

Posted by: Pak at June 22, 2009 07:48 PM (QnXp/)

100 I say let God take care of the environment, after all he built this machine!!!

Posted by: 'Nam Grunt at June 22, 2009 07:48 PM (MZMca)

101
Obama is gonna pay for free health care by converting medical files to electronic files.

It's science meets economics. Brilliant!

Posted by: Unicle tweets at June 22, 2009 07:49 PM (Bmhek)

102

These bastards are not going to stop till we need wheelbarrows to haul our near-worthless greenbacks in. This is no fucking joke! That custard-sucking, jug-eared prick is a commie sleeper.

By God, I'm gonna hurt somebody bad the minute the Harare Moment� comes.

Posted by: Lump Hammer at June 22, 2009 07:49 PM (Vz1WE)

103 I really miss Kids in the Hall.

Posted by: PDizzle at June 22, 2009 07:54 PM (R0lVr)

104

@101

GE is going to make mucho dinero on this one. This is payback for all the nice media The Won has been getting on NBC and MSNBC.

Posted by: KLL at June 22, 2009 07:54 PM (/5Axw)

105 Well, I got the call, too, and I'm fully behind the President.

Posted by: B. H. Obama at June 22, 2009 07:56 PM (kuSPQ)

106 I'm buying 1.75's of Old Smuggler and guzzling it now.

I'm so broke, I'm drinking my old supply of shoe polish.

Posted by: Purple Avenger at June 22, 2009 08:03 PM (Slx41)

107 PROGRAMMING ALERT:

Iran and the West : Just came on NatGeo, history of Iran from 1979 to the present.

Posted by: TendStl at June 22, 2009 08:04 PM (iUmrP)

108 We shall see, Methos.

Posted by: Not For Long de Blog at June 22, 2009 08:05 PM (1Bods)

109 I say cut out the middleman and simply pay them to do nothing.

Posted by: Purple Avenger at June 22, 2009 06:21 PM (Slx41)

Dude ... ever been to a government office?

Posted by: Warden at June 22, 2009 08:06 PM (QoR4a)

110 I suppose calling it "voodoo economics" would be racist now, since the president is a practitioner of "black magic."

Posted by: Hucbald at June 22, 2009 08:06 PM (O9yAg)

111 Will we send odumbass and his brood to Palau once he is impeached and becomes an enemy of America? Hmmmmm

Posted by: 'Nam Grunt at June 22, 2009 08:09 PM (MZMca)

112

The term Voodoo economics applied to Obama's economic policies insults practioners of Voodoo.

Obama proves even chimps can be president!

Posted by: Thomas Jackson at June 22, 2009 08:09 PM (B8gqF)

113

This must be new math 'cause it makes no kinda sense to me.

52 - There are three lights! I will never say four... never!

Posted by: UoC Conservative at June 22, 2009 08:16 PM (ivwt+)

114

Obama is bringing sexy misery back.

I was partyin' during the Carter years then that Reagan came along and put me to sleep with all that prosperity and wealth creation, not even Clinton could wake me up with Newt around and Bush gave me sweet dreams with a DOW at one point hitting 14,000.

Now Obama's come to party! We're breakin' out the valu-rite and paper cups, it's time to get shitfaced.

Posted by: Misery Index at June 22, 2009 08:18 PM (71Zq0)

115 Tell me again, when do we get to see his college transcripts?

Posted by: Bring it, Sockpuppet Pretenders at June 22, 2009 08:21 PM (wU8X9)

116 Bottom line is that odumbass is a thug and muslim communist and noone is paying attention!

Posted by: 'Nam Grunt at June 22, 2009 08:21 PM (MZMca)

117

'Nam Grunt,

I love you like a brother, but forget about impeachment. It just can't work, because of the dem control of congress. All we can do is vote the bastards out. And, if we don't, WAF.

Posted by: Buck Ofama at June 22, 2009 08:26 PM (63h9H)

118 Yes Buck, no Democrat could ever screw the pooch badly enough to make his fellow Democrats turn on him.

Posted by: Rod Blagojevich (party of Rod Blagojevich) at June 22, 2009 08:30 PM (wU8X9)

119 Go ahead and laugh, but I want you f***ers to know I'm keeping a list and you won't think it's so damn funny when your sitting in the camps.

Posted by: Barry O at June 22, 2009 08:32 PM (U4DDN)

120 And by the way, when the little woman comes to the camps for her weekly bat'leth practice, she's starting with you morons.

Posted by: Barry O at June 22, 2009 08:36 PM (U4DDN)

121 This sounds distrubingly like credit default swaps with mortgages. YIPEE.

Posted by: flooflyparisparamus at June 22, 2009 08:36 PM (59Rtb)

122 Obama isn't Blago-bad yet.
He's not been caught soliciting bribes directly.
And besides, who would order the phones at the WH tapped?

Posted by: It's Been Brought de Blog at June 22, 2009 08:37 PM (1Bods)

123

Go ahead and laugh, but I want you f***ers to know I'm keeping a list and you won't think it's so damn funny when your sitting in the camps.

O Barry - you'll figure out the difference in protesting between libs and us "neocons" who belive in the 2nd amendment. Here is a hint... we will not stage "sit ins"

Posted by: UoC Conservative at June 22, 2009 08:37 PM (ivwt+)

124 109 I say cut out the middleman and simply pay them to do nothing.

Posted by: Purple Avenger at June 22, 2009 06:21 PM (Slx41)

Dude ... ever been to a government office?

Standard Q&A:

Q. How many people work at the _____? (insert your favorite gov't bureaucracy)

A. Oh, about half.

Today's stupidest irony:

The biggest reason the stimulus won't work is because of the endless eco-bureau-crazy shit that has been placed between every decent idea and it's actual construction. Unlike the time of FDR (anywhere the feds become involved in the financing or permitting) it now takes 10-30 years to get through the paperwork before you can build jacksquat in this country.

The irony is that the very same dumbasses that loaded us down with our absurd level of horseshit government navel gazing now think they can rush projects along because we are in a time of need.

Posted by: jc at June 22, 2009 08:40 PM (i8c5b)

125 Just sayin'.

Posted by: You're On Notice de Blog at June 22, 2009 08:41 PM (1Bods)

126 The irony is that the very same dumbasses that loaded us down with our absurd level of horseshit government navel gazing now think they can rush projects along because we are in a time of need.

********

That's exactly correct, jc. There were very few "shovel ready" (Ha!) projects ready to go.

And that's what made their claims that the "stimulus" would keep unemployment low so obviously horse shit.

Posted by: Good Point de Blog at June 22, 2009 08:43 PM (1Bods)

127 We are definitely going to win "Galaxy's Dumbest Bipeds" this year.

Posted by: eman at June 22, 2009 08:49 PM (52Hin)

128 And besides, who would order the phones at the WH tapped?

I have no idea

Posted by: Mossad, MI6, and Hillary at June 22, 2009 08:50 PM (wU8X9)

129 Transcripts to be delivered later.

Posted by: They're in the Mail de Blog at June 22, 2009 08:50 PM (1Bods)

130 Why would an M-16 bug the White House?
That doesn't make any sense.

Posted by: Guns? de Blog at June 22, 2009 08:51 PM (1Bods)

131 Oh, you meant MI-6.

Posted by: Oh, I See de Blog at June 22, 2009 08:51 PM (1Bods)

132 *smacks Methos across face with glove*

The gauntlet, she has been thrown.

Posted by: Delivery for Methos de Blog at June 22, 2009 08:52 PM (1Bods)

133 Ready for the laugh of the day. Our local utility company wants to build a nuke plant on the Ohio river.Now I assume this is A.S.A.P. Any bets on how long this Stimulas Package will take!

Posted by: Mystry at June 22, 2009 08:52 PM (dIHlE)

134 Math is hard!

Posted by: Barbi at June 22, 2009 08:55 PM (63h9H)

135 Obama is simply applying ACORN math to economic matters.

Posted by: Ken Hahn at June 22, 2009 08:55 PM (s4frw)

136 I had the pear dream again.

Posted by: Good Lt. at June 22, 2009 08:55 PM (WmMfZ)

137 Having to take expressways back home to Chicago if you've read Dante's Inferno you know about Chicago expressways. So when they get really backed up I've found a nice alternate route to take. So I get on my alternate route today only to find a huge sign proclaiming Barry's stimulus project with that commie logo on it will be doing something to this road. Now the road is cut to one lane and all backed up. And what are they doing on the road? Nothing. It's just reduced to one lane. And if you know of Chicago/Cook county they don't need any incentive to tear up roads.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at June 22, 2009 08:56 PM (ONuzh)

138 You might want to be careful where you throw that thing, someone* might lose an eye.

*Not the specific someone, just generally.

Posted by: Methos' Nuclear Option at June 22, 2009 08:57 PM (wU8X9)

139 'someone' is pretty cool.
He gets to post on the main page.
Why are you attacking 'someone'?

Posted by: Why Do That de Blog at June 22, 2009 08:58 PM (1Bods)

140
I wish I had seen this earlier.

I just had fun skewering leftys at a BBQ. The pointy stick I used was the lack of "scientific" thought used in the distribution of the stimulus and all of the failed exa$ples of 20th century managed economies when they let politics dirty the purity of the economic decision making. I never used the word Socialism or Communism, but Leftys used to using Marxism to explain everything were rendered speechless.

Good fun

Posted by: Jean at June 22, 2009 09:11 PM (Hb5aN)

141 Jobs saved/Jobs created..

Whatever.

I'm still on Funployment.

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Posted by: royalmewigs at June 22, 2009 09:19 PM (Zisiy)

143 I am getting pretty grumpy about all of this. When I spoke to my brainwashed union brother about healthcare and pointed out how there would be rationing and taxing of his benefits, he said "it will help our kids."

How exactly it will help our kids never was explained. Just some crap he was probably fed by the union, since he isn't on the internet and works long hours so all the news he hears is on rock radio or the union newsletter.

I told him I was going to remind him of our conversation in 5 years. And I will, if I haven't been forced to Carousel and I'm not in a re-education camp.

Posted by: Miss Marple at June 22, 2009 09:22 PM (Vli7s)

144 What, no benefit / cost ratio > 1.0 over, say 25 years, at least?

Even considering these transient jobs the best the Zero can hope for is a ratio of about .50 (excluding parasitic overhead). Meaning, by this formula, every job Zero 'creates or saves', he destroys two or more.

Posted by: Druid at June 22, 2009 09:30 PM (nFeDb)

145

Sarah Higgins, grants administrator for the City of Appleton, WI., quoted in this AM's Appleton Post-Crescent:

<i>Just how many, if any, jobs in Appleton will be created with the stimulus money is unclear at this point, Higgins said.

Officially, the city will report the creation or retention of 11 jobs, but the city has no plans to hire anyone.

Higgins said the city is required under federal reporting guidelines to report one job created or retained for every $92,000 received in stimulus money.</i>

That settles it. There should be no remaining questions. Right?

Posted by: dad29 at June 22, 2009 09:37 PM (o9N9j)

146

Actually, the more appropriate KITH sketch for, well, pretty much the Democratic congress and the 0bama administration on the whole would be the legendary "Screw YOU, Taxpayer!" sketch.

If you can find it, watch it.

You'll laugh!

You'll cry!

You'll cry some more because it's all too real!

Posted by: SuperCool at June 22, 2009 09:43 PM (a80B1)

147 #145 OK. I get it. For every $92.000.00 I get from the Gov. I lie about about how many jobs have been saved. But whay happens when unemployment goes over 10.5 %

Posted by: Mystry at June 22, 2009 09:44 PM (dIHlE)

148

Um... It really didn't make sense when the Kids in the Hall did it and it doesn't make any more sense now that Obama is doing it.

The only difference is that the Kids were trying to be funny and Obama is being funny accidentally. Except, it's our money, and that makes it not funny.

Um... what was the question?

Posted by: Warthog at June 22, 2009 09:49 PM (4lW+G)

149 What's the problem?

Posted by: Robert Mugabe, Economic Advisor for the Obama admin at June 22, 2009 10:07 PM (71Zq0)

150

I want Obama to count my calories - I'll be back down to a size four in no time.That lo cal drink in the fridge will be 10000 calories using Obamath. I can have two ounces a day.

On second thought, I'll be dead inside a month.

If Obama asked for proportional unicorn sitings per stimulus dollar he'd get those too.

Posted by: Carmelita at June 22, 2009 10:10 PM (gq1Fx)

151 We still LOVE him!!!

Posted by: 52% at June 22, 2009 10:56 PM (DrB2V)

152 Hey guys, sorry I'm late.

Posted by: Inflation at June 22, 2009 10:58 PM (71Zq0)

153 I'm not sure I agree with you a hundred percent on your math work there, Ace.

Seems to me if people are hired under this program, you can count them.

Posted by: Alana at June 22, 2009 11:21 PM (JE2zV)

154 Ok, now wait a minute. From 145 above (I'm reading backwards), I looked up the original article and it said:

Just how many, if any, jobs in Appleton will be created with the stimulus money is unclear at this point, Higgins said.

Officially, the city will report the creation or retention of 11 jobs, but the city has no plans to hire anyone.

Higgins said the city is required under federal reporting guidelines to report one job created or retained for every $92,000 received in stimulus money.

. . . Just as quoted above.

So if everybody is just going to divide their money by 92,000 and report that number of jobs created, whether they were or not, why bother?

Posted by: Alana at June 22, 2009 11:29 PM (JE2zV)

155 But - that's different from the method outlined by Ace. Which would work, if it were actually done - rather than just reporting one job per 92k, as the individual said in the article.

Posted by: Alana at June 22, 2009 11:30 PM (JE2zV)

156 Alana, would you like to be alone to work this out? OK.

Posted by: Carmelita at June 22, 2009 11:50 PM (gq1Fx)

157 lol - I'm trying!

Posted by: Alana at June 22, 2009 11:55 PM (JE2zV)

158 Alana,

The Obama Administration (OA) knows it will look foolish if they just divide 787BN by 92K and get some answer. That answer would be 8.5 million jobs (give or take).

So, they're farming out the work to those who got the money and can therefore be trusted to report back that they created or saved jobs by the same formula with a smaller denominator. Thus, we spent 800K @ 92K per job so we created or saved 11 jobs (rounding). And that math will happen all over the country. And when the total of 787BN is spent the number will magically be 8.5 million jobs saved or created nationwide.

But the OA will be able to say "We're just reporting what others have told us." regardless of how the jobs data looks.

And they know that those who got the money will report back exactly as the OA wants because there is an implicit threat. The OA won't send any more checks if the jobs aren't saved or created in exactly the way the OA wishes.

Helpful?

Posted by: Helpful Nom de Blog at June 23, 2009 12:10 AM (1Bods)

159 Yes, I think I get it.

They aren't going to report back actual jobs. As Higgins said, their city is required under federal reporting guidelines to report one job created or retained for every $92,000 received in stimulus money.

They are required to report it, not do it.

And then Obama et al will be able to say, "Well, it's what they told us."

I think maybe the reason it took me a while to work my way into getting this is it's just TOO STUPID FOR ANYONE INTELLIGENT TO EVER THINK UP IN THE FIRST PLACE!!

haha

Of COURSE it will be what they told them, if they are "required under federal reporting guidelines" to tell them that!

I was thinking they were going to actually count and report actual new jobs - not just make them up so the numbers fit 1 per every 92k.

If that is true. So far, there's just that one Higgins person saying that, as far as I can tell.

Posted by: Alana at June 23, 2009 01:47 AM (JE2zV)

160 We must not be seen as Rush Limbaugh extremists, we must change our position to 2+2=4.5 to get the moderate vote. No? Well, don't you at least "hope" 2+2=4.5?

Posted by: Dollayo at June 23, 2009 02:43 AM (lwgpx)

161 I don't get it - how do you claim ANY jobs have been saved or created when unemployment is going UP UP UP?!

Any job created is nullified by a job lost. The whole point is that more people were supposed to be working, not less.

I've heard of voodoo economics, this is just doodoo economics.

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