1 I assume general strike basicly means "nobody goes to work".  Can someone enlighten me if that's not the case?

2

One pundit stated that general strikes were critical to the success of the Iranian Revolution of 1979, and that such a strike would definitely have an impact.

And I've posted this two or three times in various comments threads about Iran as a woman I know from Iran told me last week this is what was needed, the support of the business owners and the infrastructure people (transportation, garbage etc.), it's how what is going on now continues to gain momentum there. It's their real hope for change at this point.

So, this is excellent news for the people in Iran, if true.

3
Interesting.

4 Posted by: buzz at June 22, 2009 03:03 PM (kwhut)

Probably but one thing it means for sure is direct defiance of the regime. They've pretty much made it clear that was not something they were going to allow. There were reports of threats being made against business owners over the weekend to show up at work or suffer the consequences.

It's an economy on the edge as it is and this would definitely be a step up by and a test for the opposition. Will non-student types join? If so, it's really on.

5 Ace,  there was just a 5.7 eathquake  58 miles from anchorage per USGS

6 Would you like us to halt gasoline exports to Iran from India?

How could we do it without the McZionisterizonburton Jews getting blamed for it?

7

general strike has been called for in Iran.

All people don't goto work.  All people do bank run, start reporting fake protests, attacks.  All people start removing street id signs.

In general, not just a group not going to work.  Everyone starts to muck with the govt.  Stop paying all bills. etc.

Like in 1979.

 

Of course, gov't has said all who do not show up for work are fired. 

Oh and are sentenced to Death.  (oh, i made up that last line)

8 One can only hope  (real hope, not Obama hope) that it happens for a prolonged period of time.

9
How could we do it without the McZionisterizonburton Jews getting blamed for it?

The McZionisterizonburton Jews are going to get blamed irregardless.

10 While I support the concept of perhaps calling for the idea a general strike, on the other hand, not calling for a strike would send a message of a willingness to find a peaceful resolution to Iran's internal debate.

11 Blockquotes = hope for Iran

12 Iranians are going to keep messing around and force GodObama to make a stern statement of sort-of, kind-of, hope-changey bullshit meandering nonsense. That'll tell um, u betcha.

13 The McZionisterizonburton Jews are going to get blamed irregardless.

Irregardless isn't a word, but seriously.  We already halted gasoline exports to Iran in early June to deliver all their May supply.  Then these twenty something teenage dirtbags started demanding their votes actually mean something.  Silly tools of the McZionisterizonburton Jews.

14 This just in: Blockquotes have announced that they are joining the general strike early.

15

it looks like more and more power-players are deciding it's unclear who will prevail in this.

Exactly. Last week the business owners, the wealthy men who aren't involved in politics and yet still have influence in the country, were sure the regime would prevail, but that isn't obvious now so there's more willing to risk siding with the revolutionaries.

Another component, as of the vote and right after there was still the idea that Mousavi was the same difference as dinner jacket as both were selected by the ruling council. But, now even if that were true it no longer is, if Mousavi prevails he'll have a mandate for change. If that makes sense.

16 Ace's close tags are now on strike.

17 Democracy. Whiskey. Blockquotes.

18 Ahhh is much nicer on the eyes gray screening it.  Ace should do more often.

19 I tipped Ace and maybe somebody posted this in the comments before, but did you folks see the tidbit about Rafsanjani reaching out to Sistani?

That would be huge if true.

20 I do hope they are successful.....Sad situation over there.
I was wondering if our fearless leader and his minions are watching and
thinking about the fact that our ForeFathers were smart enough to give us
the 2nd amendment.  Things would be alot different in Iran if they had a 2nd amendment.

I can only imagine what would (will) happen when we in this country reach
the boiling point......

21 Ace's close tags are now on strike.

Change you can believe in .

22 With each comment, we grow larger and stronger.  You cannot stop the revolution!

23 "Strong earthquake jolts urban centers of Alaska"

24 It would be interesting -- and politically useful to supporters of the war in Iraq -- if Bush's noble and bloody experiment in Iraq turns out to contain the chickens which will go home to roost in Iran.

Mookie just shit himself.

25 That would be huge if true.
Posted by: someone

Very important point. One that should give our more cynical commenters pause before condemning the protesters to eternal tyranny.

26
foreign policy expert, Joe Biden, could not be reached for comment

whereabouts unknown

27 wonder if bush will go down in the history books as the "Father of Freedom"

28 I've said it before and I'll say it again. The Iranian people didn't pay much attention to election shennanigans until they saw free and fair elections held next door in Iraq and Afghanistan.

29
> It would be interesting -- and politically useful to supporters of the war in Iraq -- if Bush's noble and bloody experiment in Iraq turns out to contain the chickens which will go home to roost in Iran.

That was always pretty much Bush's real plan in Iraq -- not just that we'd win a war in a single country, but that a successful, prosperous, free Iraq would have positive spillover effects throughout the Muslim world.

The ultimate head-exploder for the BDS types. They're always saying that Iran was the big winner when we invaded Iraq. Imagine if Democratic Iraq is the key to regime change in Iran.

Mua ha ha ha. ha.

30 I reject the false choice that a frozen custard enthusiast must decide between a delicious caramel walnut vanilla parfait, and a neapolitan banana split dreamsicle!

oh, and stopshootingthrowingrocksandkillingpeopleandstuffinIranthankyouverymuch.

31 What are the chances some western country is feeding these rioters weapons?

32 Fear not!   My deep personal knowledge of Indonesian kindergartens will get us through this foreign policy mess.

33

It strikes me that the significance of the use of the word Justice versus the word Freedom is this-

Justice requires an intervening government whereas freedom requires the opposite.

34 Oh, and if all should go entirely to hell here in the US, I would have to seriously look at the Czech Republic as a place to re-locate. They seem to take "Freedom" pretty seriously.

35 What about the Saudis?

Al-Arabiya doesn't report anything without genuflecting before the House of Saud first.  Khameini ins't going to sleep on this.

36 Justice requires an intervening government whereas freedom requires the opposite.

I would like a subscription to your newsletter.

37 The Czech Republic does make some really good ammo.

38
obama still waiting to see how things pan out in Iran

will decide next move when he knows what to take credit for



_oops

39 wonder if bush will go down in the history books as the "Father of Freedom"

Ummmm...Hello?  Cairo speech??  Helloooo???

I think we all know who the Father of ..ummmm.. whatever that other word is up there that you used.

40 Imagine if Democratic Iraq is the key to regime change in Iran.

Eh, even if that does happen, it's not like he planned it that way.

And besides, My Beloved Won gave a speech!!!  That's what's really making all the difference here, let's be honest, shall we?

41

You are all a bunch of haters (well me too).  Beautiful screen shot. 

http://tinyurl.com/krq8ct

The liberal bed-wetters at Raw Story seem to be a little upset with GWP and myself because we support the right of Iranians to protect themselves from a vicious onslaught by the Islamic regime. To which I say, good, I hope they beat the fuck out of a thousand more, only a far-lefty would feel bad for the basij thugs....

42 AHFF, you posted a twit the other day and this has merit

43

Here's more info at ThreatsWatch

http://tinyurl.com/n8dbv4

 

44 momma, I linked that above (#19)

45 37- One more plus for the Czechs!

46 Ooh, what to cover: general strike in Iran or choreographed press conference by The Great Obama? Both are on Tuesday and Obama will have ice cream available...

47 I reject the false choice between providing cover for despotic regimes or criticizing the failed policies of the previous administration.

48 Dispose of the Ayatollah Bunghollah today!!!!

49

You know I hold some conservative positions, but isn't democracy for the Iranians going a little too far?

I have to go do something productive now.

50

I have to go do something productive now.

Posted by: palin steele

That's code for 'taking a dump,' right?

51 That's code for 'taking a dump,' right?

I resent Chimney Sweep #8's accusation that I have anything to do with Palin Steele.

52 buzz:

Yes, a general strike means roughly that all unions put all their workers in all workplaces on full strike. (And obviously they might attract non-union sympathisers too.) It's the nuclear bomb of industrial action, the furthest the unions can take things short of actual sabotage and violence (and not always short of them). If the Iranian opposition can manage anything close to a full general strike then the regime has a problem. General strikes helped to bring down the Shah, apparently.

53 What about the Saudis?

I can't even guess.  On the one hand, they certainly don't want any of that democracy nonsense spilling over into Saudi Arabia.  But on the other hand, they're scared of Iranian power, and would love to see the Iranian government replaced with something more benign.

Saudi Arabia's insane society always forces them into these damned if they do, damned if they don't type questions.

54 If Sistani's influence succeeds in destroying Iran's Mullahocracy, President Bush's legacy goes way up.

The "if you strike you will be fired" threat is out loud laughable.  Kind of like outlawing suicide by threatening a death penalty.

55

http://tinyurl.com/m2gm9j

For anyone needing some clarity on who we should be supporting and why, check out this partial interview of Michael Ledeen from NRO.

56 That "palin steele" is a sockpuppet.
Well played.
You fooled a couple of posters.

57 Do not forget that Bush's Iraq Campaign puts American influence right on the border with Iran.  Add Pakistan and Afghanistan and it begins to surround Iran.

58 McCain speaks out against regime violence in Iran, pays tribute to Neda, and leftards respond with kneejerk "what about bomb,bomb Iran"

Give McCain credit when it's due

59

I hit post too early:

The fact that the protests have been going on as long as they have is important.  A good hard-fisted crackdown early would have shown that the regime was united and resolved.  All of this time and these threats of a crackdown show weakness and disunity in the regime, and perhaps that they are not confident in their security forces giving the protestors 'a whiff of grape'.  If the 'special guards' are wavering, or perhaps not completely trustworthy, the regime has problems. 

Keep an eye on who joins in the protests.  As noted, if it is just students it is localized and can be crushed.  Over-educated malcontents, the lot of 'em.  If it is businessmen, laborers, and old ladies, then you have people who have a stake in stability challenging stability.  That is dangerous for a regime - they think the risk of instability, of losing everything they have, is better than leaving you and your stability in power.

Also, keep an eye on the army.  No army historically has liked 'special guards' and their claims on the defense budget and on honors.  If the army opens an armory to the protestors than the game is really on.

60

Anyone who doesn't show up for work is fired, the regime barks.

Does that mean when everyone gets fired and then they apply for each other's lost jobs, that it'll be 12-million jobs saved or created? No wonder Obama's onside with the existing regime.

61 23 "Strong earthquake jolts urban centers of Alaska"

Posted by: muffy at June 22, 2009 03:23 PM (zplc6)

 

No biggie Muffy...Just a cool roller. Nothing like the 7 pont something we had a while back.

5.7?  Hahaha....I laugh at 5.7 :-)

62 As we learned in Iraq, you don't have to be perfect in messy international conflicts. You just have to be better than the other guy. So Bush f'ing up one thing or another wasn't the story because the other side f'd up worse (and when the other side is totalitarian AND religious fundamentalist it's a virtual certainty that they'll mess up worse). In Iran, the government perpetrated electoral fraud and was too lazy to make it plausible (the guy responsible is currently looking for his balls in the Tehran sewer system). So maybe O was slow (it seems to me he was) but does it matter with any significance? I'd say no - Iran's incredible stupidity (on par with, say, in the middle of an economic crisis announce a long range budget that 'features' trillion dollar deficits more often than not) on the election is the single spark for the crisis and the level of Iranian government stupidity to follow will decide where it ends.

63 momma, I linked that above (#19)

Posted by: someone at June 22, 2009 03:48 PM (njJQD)

 

Sorry, I haven't much time to read today, so I just reposted the main link instead of just cut/pasting my entire post from this morning (via GWP).  Thank you and sorry (again).

64

I'm surprised more on the right haven't hit the left with their 'deep like' for Dinner Jacket.  All the dressing downs DJ gave W - the left ate it up (while 62% of the vote in Iran for DJ was implausible he has a sizable constituency in San Francisco such that I might believe if for SF).  For evidence I can sight the first weekend after the elections when my SF uncle visited.  After bringing him up to speed his first reposnse was "I thought DJ was well liked".  And who wouldn't think that if you live in SF, where 'how bad do you hate Bush' replaced 'how you doin' as the most popular greeting?

Of course they like DJ in an enemy of my enemy is my friend kind of way.  Not in a like-like way.  Which would be somewhat reasonable, except the 2nd enemy in the construct is W.   

65

 

Has this been seen:

Obama says July 4th parties with the Iranians still on!

http://tinyurl.com/m7emqv

The United States said Monday its invitations were still standing for Iranian diplomats to attend July 4 celebrations at US embassies despite the crackdown on opposition supporters

"There's no thought to rescinding the invitations to Iranian diplomats," State Department spokesman Ian Kelly told reporters.

"We have made a strategic decision to engage on a number of fronts with Iran," Kelly said. "We tried many years of isolation, and we're pursuing a different path now."

Have a good day morons.  My prayers are with the people of Iran.

66

65

Crap, never mind, I'm an idiot.  Ace just posted about this.  Sorry for some reason my feeds are 20 min. late.  Always.

67 Yes, Sistani's apparently the heaviest-hitting living Shiite ayatollah anywhere. (He's also a Persian from Iran.) Supposedly he's one of the grand ayatollahs who have never supported Khomeini's position that Shiism calls for a theocratic government. (He's not very tolerant of homosexuality, though, to say the least.)

I read somewhere that the regime might end up sending the IRGC into Qom to crack down on the Guardian Council. That would be mondo bizarro: not completely unlike the Pope invading Rome.

68

Lets see, who could have seen this coming, and nearly exactly how it happened?

"These are the stirrings of Middle East democracy, and they carry the promise of greater things to come," he predicted.

And in Iran, "the demand for democracy is strong and broad," Bush said, pointing to the welcome home received by Nobel Prize winner Shirin Ibadi.

Iran's current regime, Bush noted, "must heed the democratic demands of the Iranian people or lose its last claim to legitimacy."

George Bush Nov. 6, 2003, discussing democracy and freedom in Iraq and the Middle East.

Like Ronald Reagan within a year of leaving office great fruits are ready to be harvested -- will they be allowed to die on the vine to satisfy Obama's stubborn adherence to his one world philosophy?   Lets hope we end up the right side of history and human rights on this one like we did in 1989.

David

69 Always bet on the side with the biggest stick.  Mullahs win.

70 to crack down on the Guardian Council

I meant the Assembly of Experts.

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73

Re: democracy spilling over to other parts of the muslim world.

I thought that was Bush's point all along. My own theory about why Obambi won't stick up for the protestors is that he hates Bush so much (and can't admit that Bush was right) that he doesn't want to see Iran go democratic.  It would be sort of cutting off one's nose to spite one's face to condemn the Iranian people to death and tyranny just so you could say "Bush was wrong," but as somebody pointed out, that looks just like Andrew Sullivan is doing. Is bambi as looney as sullivan? or as petty?

I know a number of Persians, and their opinion is that if Bush wanted to start a war to promote democracy in the middle east, Iran was a better place to do it. The average Iranian is very pro-American - my friends say practically everyone dreams of getting to the U.S. even if they're just driving a cab.

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Strike for NADA!

My Sympathy goes out to the Demonstrators in Iran.

All of  you take heart and call a general strike

Strike against the Regime, its the best way as it was in1979!

It is the best way to hurt them and gain the change....

 

 

 

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