1 White House announced that President Obama will hold news conf. Tuesday. 12:30pm, Rose Garden. Q's on Iran likely. #IranElection

2 To the freedom loving people in Iran; Arm yourselves, defend yourselves and gain your freedom. The ground has been watered with the blood of patriots, now water it with the blood of tyrants. May the tree of liberty flourish.

3 So what did he say?

4 What a brave young woman. What a tragedy she was cut down.

5

I would like to note that I have seen many people (strong lefties) at other places praise Fox (in suprise/shock) for thier coverage while cursing CNN as gov't stooges.

I would also like to note that many diverse pople (lefties/righties for exampel) are putting aside their differences and working for Iranian people.

Mostly those who complain are those that are disapopointed their people are seeing/working with the 'other side' as normal people.  Not screeching lefites or hate filled righties.

Like soccer games on christmas in WWI trenches between the troops of the armies were broken up by the officers or the trading that went on between confed/union troops, etc.

 

6 He laid out his Iran plan :
Phase 1 : Say nothing as evil Iranian regime kills its citizens
Phase 2 : ?
Phase 3 : Negotiate with said regime

7

http://tinyurl.com/ljs7js

For the fourth time in five months on the job, President Obama will hold a news conference with Washington reporters -- this time, in the Rose Garden of the White House. (tomorrow)

White House press conferences in the past have been seen as free-wheeling events, with notepad-waving reporters shouting and competing for the president's attention. But under Obama and his predecessor, President George W. Bush, they have been somewhat scripted and tightly controlled.

The president decides in advance who he will call on, choosing from a list before him at the podium. The opportunities for anyone not on that list is pretty limited, and asking a follow-up question generally depends on how aggressive the reporter wants to be.

Bush pre-approved journalists and their questions?

8 Bush pre-approved journalists and their questions?

That's honestly the first I've heard of it.  Wouldn't you think there'd be endless screeching about it if this were the case?  Not sayin' it isn't true, but I'd be shocked if the press didn't whine about it for 8 years if it were.

9 Tuesday. TUESDAY. And yet I still know what he will have said. (Is that a convincing dodge at all?)

10

remember hackers needed at NedaNet  http://tinyurl.com/l5krnq

At #3:  I am not following O's blather.  I know that people in Iraq are following his words/actions closely.  Could be misinformation.

11 Politico getting in on the act re Obama's falling numbers

FINALLY.

All it takes is a ton of emails to the editors to get some action

Eroding confidence in President Barack Obama’s handling of the economy and ability to control on spending have caused his approval ratings to wilt to their lowest levels since taking office, according to a spate of recent polls, a sign of political weakness that comes just as he most needs leverage on Capitol Hill.

 

The good news for Obama is that his approval ratings—57 percent in a Gallup tracking poll over the weekend—remain comfortably high by historical standards for presidents.

 

But the trend lines among a variety of polls over the past several days are unmistakable: Independents and even some Republicans who once viewed him sympathetically are becoming skeptical, and many people of all stripes are anxious about economic and fiscal trends.

 

Obama’s approval rating has dipped below 60 percent on other occasions according to Gallup, but while those slumps lasted only a day, this one appears to be more persistent.

12 I just saw Obama. He's got his head buried in the sand like I do hoping this Iran thing goes away.

13 Tomorrow. "I, your most eloquent Majesty, finally have figured out something to say, but I won't say it until tomorrow."

They must need the time to hold rehearsals with the chosen reporters.

14

Politico getting in on the act re Obama's falling numbers

 

Politico sounds very disappointed to report those numbers.

15 You know Tiger lost today because the course, the weather and his knee (MO) got the better of him.  For some reason lately Tiger reminds me of the prez.  Glover played a good game on a tough, subtly difficult course, he deserved his win.   Glover realized early on that sometimes you have to go against what you know is the "right way in golf" and just use a different club from everyone else.  Mixing the art and the science are what makes the champions.

16 "Bush pre-approved journalists and their questions?"

That was the way they phrase "Refused to call on Helen Thomas at any point, ever, after she was a complete ass one time too many."

17

The president decides in advance who he will call on, choosing from a list before him at the podium.

Bull, I never saw Bush consult any list in deciding who to call on - does not ring true.  The guy stood there and took the slings and arrows and cheapshots that would have had Obama stomping out of the room!!

18 Can't I just eat my waffle cone?

19

Hey - Who's up for an icecream? 

 

20 You insult Tiger Woods greatly by even the suggestion of comparability.

21 I had never heard of that before either.  I figured if he had, we would have heard, 'well Bush did it' everytime we brought this up to a lib.

22

Adam Smart had the protection of the Cone of Silence, where you couldn't hear anything he said.

Bambi has the protection of the Cone of Waffling, where the MSM.won't ask him any tough questions, or will let him change his stories at will and never call him on it.

23 Maybe one of Bush's former press secretaries could call them on that one?

24 Dude, Tiger is one of the biggest babies in sports.  Hell, he and JR. whine when they win!

25 The president decides in advance who he will call on, choosing from a list before him at the podium...

Yeah, remember the outrage when W chose that obvious Republican stooge that threw the shoe at him? What a pussy, couldn't risk any unscripted situations...

26 I support nationalized health care because I can no longer afford all the anti-psychotics I'm supposed to be taking.

27

example of outing of Basiji thugs by intnet groups & on the ground

(not neda's killer)

http://twitpic.com/83uhp 

28 And there you have it, ladies and gentlemen.

29

I finally looked at her picture, and she looked familiar somehow. I think we have a statue of her in the harbor at New York.  Delacroix caught a glimpse of her once on a barricade in Paris. She carried water to the cannon crews at Monmouth, and drove a chariot at Watling Street. She cut off Holophernes' head.

She will be missed, but she will be back. She's that kind of girl.  

30 OT about Tiger Woods - My hubby went on a fishing charter in Alaska a few years back. The charter operator actually had Tiger Woods as one of his clients and said this of him (I quote) "an arrogant asshole". A sports messiah complex, maybe?

31

The president decides in advance who he will call on, choosing from a list before him at the podium.

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English isn't my strong suite but shouldn't that be lecturn instead of podium?

32 Nigel, take your meds.  Now.

33 I and others will hold specific individuals in the media and warbloggin' sphere responsible.

I laughed out loud.  Nice that its was bolded or I would have missed it as I scrolled past.

34 Eh, is Nigel having a meltdown? He is barely coherent.

35 dammit

36 Rise up against the imperialist American method of using white space and paragraph breaks!

37

Like soccer games on christmas in WWI trenches between the troops of the armies were broken up by the officers or the trading that went on between confed/union troops, etc.

 Huh?

Mostly those who complain are those that are disapopointed their people are seeing/working with the 'other side' as normal people.  Not screeching lefites or hate filled righties.

Huh?

38 Dump that trolling crap please, somebody.  Thats nothing but a thread dump, nobody needs it.

39 Decaf, Nigel. They even have decaf tea now.

40

Coo-coo for cocoa puffs. 

41 Isn't nigel the one who has to wear sunglasses so people don't see his blue eyes and, unrelated to eye color, beating the snot out of him for being a raging bigot?

42

Nigel

26 I support nationalized health care because I can no longer afford all the anti-psychotics I'm supposed to be taking.

May I suggest the low cost cure? I call it the self administered high velocity lead pill, taken orally. Only one dose offers complete relief of all symptoms. Guaranteed!

43 14

Politico getting in on the act re Obama's falling numbers

 

Politico sounds very disappointed to report those numbers.

So what?
I did my best to embarrass them yesterday by emailing a few articles from June 2001 MSM ragging Bush for falling poll numbers when he fell to 55% - i guess embarrassment got to them

44 #29 - thread winner.

45

@Entropy

WWI look up: world war one christmas truce and soccer match 

Civil war: Trading tabbaco for coffee

46 Dow's off -159.84. On the upside, it's because the price of oil went down. If that makes sense.

47 I regret the loss of Neda. I feel she was an unnecessary loss, however, The idea is not to lose your life for your freedom. The Idea is to make that son of a bitch trying to take your freedom lose his life.

48 The 'Bamster wrote a book praising the father who abandon him, Dreams of My Father, and threw the cracker-assed, racist grandma who raised and supported him under the bus in an effort to say Crazy Jerry Wright.  The 'Bamster inability to distinguish between virtue and evil as well as his unerring ability to chose evil over virtue, is longstanding.

49 I agree with maddog and i am perplexed that Obama has had little to nothing to say about Iran.  Seriously?  Is this some type of strategy he is using..mind tricks on the mullahs? 

I didn't catch the news conference..anyone have a run down of what was said?

50 Maddogg is wrong about one thing: this was a necessary death for Iran to wake up.

Same as in the last revolution, and basically throughout all of shia islam, these people center their constructive protests around 'mourning'.

It's stupid, and it shouldn't be that way.  While I do think big changes are coming to Iran, I do not see these people moving away from theocracy.  too many crazies and too much apathy.  This girl didn't like Mousavi any more than Ahmedinijad, according to reports, but she's being used by Mousavi as a prop.  And he's probably going to get away with it.

51

#22 Adam Smart had the protection of the Cone of Silence, where you couldn't hear anything he said.

 

Would you believe it was Maxwell Smart?

52 I watched Fox and Friends this morning and they played a clip of Obama while he was on the Early Show interviewed by Harry Smith. Obama looked like he was so over Iran and North Korea. You could tell he was tired, angry, frustrated, hopeless - not inspirational at all. We're in a position to inspire strength and hope in Iran and this is out the prez looks. He looked like he was mad that all these "distractions" were getting in the way of his master healthcare plan.

53 @49 Tinkerbella, BHO is quite upset that this Iran Thing has upset his/inside group timetable. They know that they must pass as many bad laws as possible before the greater number of people turn on him. Time is not on his side and he knows it.

54 "out" = how

55 Great, Maria is announcing that the economy is going to shrink more than they originally thought.  Thanks CNBC, wish I could go back to watching golf.

56

I finally looked at her picture, and she looked familiar somehow. I think we have a statue of her in the harbor at New York.  Delacroix caught a glimpse of her once on a barricade in Paris. She carried water to the cannon crews at Monmouth, and drove a chariot at Watling Street. She cut off Holophernes' head.

She will be missed, but she will be back. She's that kind of girl.  

comatus, you both sent a shiver up my spine and made me cry with this comment, it was beautiful. Dammit, now I'm bawling my eyes out.

57 Yahoo headlines:

 

• Iran police crush protest with tear gas, bullets
• Official: N. Korean ship carrying banned weapons to Myanmar
• Obama signs strongest anti-smoking measure ever

 

And you unempathetic morons think Obama has dumb priorities and is shirking his duty!

58 I am noticing a trend. Supporters are finding the position of the administration untenable given the straight up shot of reality we just got. Their arguments become confusing and weak (more so than usual), they know what is right, and are having cognitive dissonance with what the collective says they should think and do.

59 Sorry, I just can't care too much.  I know that, objectively, since Obama plans to let Iran have nukes, it would be nice if the government were a bit less crazy, but I just don't like the Iranians as a people, though I know there are some nice individuals.  I have spent pretty much my entire media-aware life watching whackjobs scream "death to America", "death to the Jooz" etc., and I tend to think that most of them mean it.  Now some of them are screaming "death to dictators"?  How about "down with dictators" or "make my vote count" - and of course they are always still screaming "Allahu Akbar".  In the 1980s, they probably screamed "death to New Coke" and claimed that the switch was a Zionist conspiracy. 

Frankly I tend to think that, as a nation, they are bent - too much propoganda over too long a period.  Maybe there are "good" educated elites, but if they achieve real democracy, that may not matter more than it does now.  I don't think even the vaunted youth democraphic likes America - sure they like American dollars, Nike, Coke, Pixar and all that, but they don't like America the nation (not that they really know or understand it) and they'll scream "death to America" at the rumor of a dropped Koran.

60

Would you believe it was Maxwell Smart?

No.

That's just silly talk.

61

Why would Obama jeopardize his retirement plans by speaking up aqgainst despots and dictators.  This is how he plans to amass $400 million eight years after he leaves the White House just as the Clintons did.  

 

Obama is such a coward.  What an incompetent idiot who thinks hobnobing with dictators is more important than developing allies or retaining them.  What a chimp!

62 ParanoidGirlInSeattle

Did you read her sister's letter?

I'll post if you would like to read it.

Since you're already crying....

63

they'll scream "death to America" at the rumor of a dropped Koran.

Sounds not unlike the american left to me.

64

General Ali Fazli, who was recently appointed as a commander of the Revolutionary Guards in the province of Tehran, is reported to have been arrested after he refused to carry out orders from the Iranian Supreme Leader Ayatollah Khamenei to use force on people protesting the controversial re-election of President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.

65 My perception, of course, is that he is apologetic for anything America and Bush did prior to his present term of office. however, if you dare be snarky or even have the discourtesy to criticise His presidency,why, he is deeply hurt that you could even think of such a thing. I honestly  have no idea why he is that way! 

66 Holdfast,


Dude, I could round up as many people born and raised in the US to do that as you've seen in Iran.

They may not love us (though more than a few like us), them starting down the road to decency is in our interests. Even in a best case scenario they will want the bomb but if there aren't crazy mullahs with their fingers on the button and they decide they'd rather be rich than isolated because of their support of terror groups, the world will be a lot better off.

America's never been as loved worldwide as we like to imagine. No one really likes the star football player with all the money and girls, even if he is a great guy. In fact that usually makes us dislike them all the more. It's just human nature.

We don't need to be loved or even feared (at least by decent nations) just left alone and be able to do business with.

On all those counts, the people in the streets in Iran, on balance are our best hope.

On a personal note, I'm usually with the people who want 'freedom' and are willing to charge unarmed after armed thugs to get it. We can sort the details out of what it all means later.

67

Your Huffpo link led me to this nonsense:

http://tinyurl.com/mdzenx

I'm nobody's idea of an anti-gun crusader. But when I consider the sorts of things the Iranians could stand to borrow from America, a poorly worded amendment dealing with gun ownership rights and militias is way down the list.

I'm sorry but that amendment is only poorly worded if read with the eyes of a tryant or collectivist.

68 Same as in the last revolution, and basically throughout all of shia islam, these people center their constructive protests around 'mourning'.

It's not just Shia Islam that needs martyrs. Ninoy Aquino, Rafik Hariri, Medgar Evers, the fallen in the Boston Massacre all come to mind. Mourning as a basis for revolution or social change isn't just for the Shia.

69

I'm usually with the people who want 'freedom' and are willing to charge unarmed after armed thugs to get it. We can sort the details out of what it all means later.

Yep, that sums it up nicely.

70 Warning...Daily Beast link ahead......


An Iranian university student on the meaning of Neda's death to different generations.

71

Great, Maria is announcing that the economy is going to shrink more than they originally thought.

I was in the pool!

72

# 62 loppyd

I'd like to read that letter, if you will post it.

73

The Economy

I was in the pool!

I was about 3 inches smaller then my average size

74 maddogg:

Yesterday I wrote a note, with the subject line ā€œtomorrow is a great day perhaps tomorrow Iā€™ll be killed.ā€ Iā€™m here to let you know Iā€™m alive but my sister was killedā€¦

Iā€™m here to tell you my sister died while in her fatherā€™s hands
Iā€™m here to tell you my sister had big dreamsā€¦
Iā€™m here to tell you my sister who died was a decent personā€¦ and like me yearned for a day when her hair would be swept by the windā€¦ and like me read ā€œForoughā€ [Forough Farrokhzad]ā€¦ and longed to live free and equalā€¦ and she longed to hold her head up and announce, ā€œIā€™m Iranianā€ā€¦ and she longed to one day fall in love to a man with a shaggy hairā€¦ and she longed for a daughter to braid her hair and sing lullaby by her cribā€¦

my sister died from not having lifeā€¦ my sister died as injustice has no endā€¦ my sister died since she loved life too muchā€¦ and my sister died since she lovingly cared for peopleā€¦

my loving sister, I wish you had closed your eyes when your time had comeā€¦ the very end of your last glance burns my soulā€¦.

sister have a short sleep. your last dream be sweet.

75 27

example of outing of Basiji thugs by intnet groups & on the ground

(not neda's killer)

I hope they slit the throats of some Basijis in their homes. They need to feel some of that ball-shrinking fear themselves. I sit watching these videos wishing I could airdrop some AK's to the protesters so they have a fighting chance.

Those thugs love to use motorcycles, I'm wondering when they'll set up some wire at neck height and clothesline those creeps.

Does this sound like it's a bit of non-Ghandi stuff? Sure, but remember that Ghandi was opposing a civilized colonial power. Englishmen stop for martyrs on the tracks, thug regimes don't. If you think we didn't play a little rough ourselves in our break from England, you should do some research.

76 The spineless POTUS POS BHO better have something better to say than he writing a sharp tongued letter to Iran on Tuesday.

77 Drew - sure, and I am still more supportive than the President, but I just don't think it will matter to us all that much.  This is far more about internal Iranian politics than people believe.

There is no reason that Obama could not have put out a strong statement on day 1 about respecting human rights and the integrity of elections, because those are good things in general, but I am in no way convinced that these protesters are our friends.  Maybe I am just burned out by Iraq/Afstan/GWoT, but I am having real trouble finding much potential goodness anywhere in the Muslim world these days. 

It would be nice if they produce a better leadership class, but Mousavi was a founder of Hezb'Allah for crissake.

78 #29, your note took my breath away. Absolutely beautiful.   

79 Posted by: Holdfast at June 22, 2009 03:22 PM (Gzb30)

I'm not all doe eyed over Mousavi. My hope (and that's all it is) is that they bring the Mullahs down. That will go a long way to making things better. Mousavi may or may not be different than the guy who was PM 25 years ago but if he gets the gig now, he will owe it to 'the people' more than the Mullahs. I'm betting (and hoping) that they are more interested in a better life than in being isolated because their goverment wants to blow up Jews.

I could be wrong but I'd rather see the fire burn and find out where it takes us.

80 #29, Comatus, there was a sighting of her here, too:

http://www.nysun.com/pics/1368.jpg

81 #29, you win the Internet.

I hope there's a good statue of her in a free Iran before too long.

82 Drew - But I don't trust the people.  They are flakey at best, and too fond of beginning a sentence with "Death to...".

83

Apology accepted, Captain Neda.

 

_{Too soon?}

84 I finally looked at her picture, and she looked familiar somehow. I think we have a statue of her in the harbor at New York. Delacroix caught a glimpse of her once on a barricade in Paris. She carried water to the cannon crews at Monmouth, and drove a chariot at Watling Street. She cut off Holophernes' head.

And stabbed the terrorist Jean-Paul Marat to death in 1793.

85 #29...

Sir, that is a Quote of the Day... Week... Month... Year.

86

#29     thank you for putting Neda in such beautiful context....well said!

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88 THE ONE had more to say about George Tiller's murder than Neda's.  Well, he's gotta have his priorities. After Tiller, ice cream comes second.

89 Comatus, I believe she was also seen back in '56, taking up arms against the Soviet tanks in Budapest.

An outstanding passage.  Long live Neda (Which apparently means "voice" in Persian).

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