1 This is the vaunted Moral High Ground that Obama wanted to reclaim:  negotiations with regimes that massacre their own citizens.

Hope AND Change, people.  Unlike that evil Bushitler, who squandered all our Moral High Ground liberating Iraq and Afghanistan.

2 if i am the first, then i'll say it firts - bho does not know what he is doing.

3 #2 formerparatrooper

I could forgive even that if he'd at least showed he CARED.

4 This thread isn't about BHO.

5 Maybe when all of this over, Obama will take him out for ice cream.

Our local Fox station, obviously in the tank for Teh One, actually showed video of the ice cream incident, and dutifully reported the flavors each chose, and the flavors they bought for the dog.

Says a lot about priorities.

6 Man shot in Iran: Warning Graphic

Here

7 Obama dropped below zero in the Rasmussen poll for the first time today.

http://tinyurl.com/5tnd2b

8 Iranian woman interviewed on Fox and Friends this a.m. thought Barry set just the right tome.

My smympathies are waning.

All of the demonstrations here in u.s. give me pause.  Are these the same pro hamas protesters.  Do they heart hamas and hezbollah too....

9 from wapo, this really summarizes obama's foreign policy - clinton's "foreign policy by polling" strategy on steroids....

Yesterday, as murky images of clashes and bloodshed flashed on cable news reports, the president called on the Iranian government "to stop all violent and unjust actions against its own people."

U.S. officials say Obama is intent on calibrating his comments to the mood of the hour. They say he is seeking to avoid having the demonstrators accused of being American stooges and is trying to preserve the possibility of negotiating directly with the Iranian government over its nuclear program, links to terrorism, Afghanistan and other issues.

10

"Maybe when all of this over, Obama will take him out for ice cream."

Hands down winner, comment of the day -- thanks.

11 Where is the liberal outrage. They speak about this as if they were discussing a trade war. Only American aggression should be resisted?

Ask yourself this- if the oppressors were Christians and the oppressed were Muslims would Obama have the same stance? Huffington Post would say he has found the perfect balance? Come on Libs. Where is the "No man is an island. Each mans death diminishes me" meme ?

I get it now. Only politically expedient bloodshed is outrageous.

12 Ice cream isn't the only thing I ate yesterday. Oh snap!
I better go before Michelle finds out I talk about our sex life online and cleaves me in half with the new bat'leth I got her.

13 The contrast between the serious folks in Iran willing to die for their cause and the unserious "conservatives" who use every political event to just fling poop at their president is striking.

One group has a chance to take power in their country, the other group never will again.

14 Obama is a coward. The sun also rises.

He'll negotiate with A-jad and these protests will be dutifully swept under the rug.

15 "Iranian woman interviewed on Fox and Friends this a.m. thought Barry set just the right tome.

My smympathies are waning." - free

So your sympathies partially hinged on their views on Obama? Plus, news flash, most Iranian citizens do find Obama extremely inspirational and thought he is taking the right approach....but who cares what the Iranians think, they don't know whats good for them. AoSHQ morons know better!

16 Stand up Chuck Iranian protesters. Maybe move a bit to the left, the gunmen don't have a clear shot yet.

17 Troll.

Not upset at anything but criticism of his leader.

18 I think the left also stopped talking about the Sudan once they realized who was doing the killing. (hint: not christianists).

19 #15: You're not even a competent liar, troll.

20 Go back to fluffing Obastard poon; we care about the fate of the Iranians more than your hero does by far.  We don't need polls to tell us what to believe.

21 First Law of Trolls: The presence of trolls, x, is directly proportional to how badly their leader fucked up, y.

22 Poon, still going on about your 1000 year administration?

But, what do the interviewees feel about Michelle's arms?  Are they not inspiring enough?  Also, Gaia forbid the possibility that regime backers might, you know, want to undermine or discredit the opposition.

23 Oh cool both poon P(o)S in the same post.
Lurking will be fun today.
Troll hunters unite.

24 poon is just lonely since it got banned at Patterico yesterday. Lord Axelrod was most displeased.

25 The people of Iran need clandestine leaders so the goverment cannot identify and arrest. Even the French Revolution had Lt and Srgts. They have the masses they just need a strategy and get behind it. I think the peaceful protest are really to the peoples advantage they can get more people
to support them.

26 Second Law of Trolls (Corollary to Entropy): A troll's inchoate spewings will only increase over time despite any amount of logic added to the system ranging from x to infinity.

27
Protesters are dying in the streets of Iran and progressive trolls in the U.S. see an opportunity to trash conservative bloggers here.

Oh, well done. Clap, clap, clap.

28
"Maybe when all of this over, Obama will take him out for ice cream."
I'm wondering where is he going to hide if the North Koreans follow through and fire a missile this 4th of July toward Hawaii.
Maybe he'll do pizza that day and some golf.

29 Forgive me, for I have put A.Sullivan's RSS feed on my toolbar (named ASS for A.Sullivan Syndication)

30 On twitter the posters are saying that the twitterers need proxies.  Does anyone know what that means?

31 Dear Trolls,

So was Obama doing the right thing a few days ago, or is he doing the right thing now?  You know the statements are substantively different, right?

Or does Obama always do the right thing, regardless of what it is?

32

Basij home invasion.

That's some standard crowd-control policing methods right there.

33 All Bambi had to do was plagiarize Sarkozy and voila! Greatness. Whatevs. The Bush years were more authoritarian that the entirety of the 30 year Islamist reign, or something.

34
"The contrast between the serious folks in Iran Iraq willing to die for their cause and the unserious "conservatives" leftist who use every political event to just fling poop at their president is striking."

FIFY

35 It seemed to me that speaking out about shooting down little girls in the streets had something of a fierce moral urgency, but it turns out I was mistaken.  All Hail the One Lightworker!

36 On twitter the posters are saying that the twitterers need proxies.  Does anyone know what that means?

They send the message to a third party server and the server posts it on twitter (it's all automatic). So when Iran tries to track them down, they find the 3rd party (which hopefully is out of their physical reach, say, in America) rather than the original. If they're monitoring individual posters' connections though, I don't see how a proxy would help. I doubt twitter is cooperating with them.

37 Of course, Dinner Jacket is saying that Obama and Brown are "interfering".

Way to go, Obama, you can't even get Sniveling right.

38 Islam isn't fucked up at all.

39 What is the protesters' stance on evolution?

40 Twitter usually feeds, and is read via SMS (or web page); is there a way to feed/receive tweets via e-mail?  Might that be a way of hiding from the government?

41 Interesting note -
Following up on the first net negative rating for Obama on Rasmussen re strongly support/oppose, Gallup shows today (after ominously skipping reporting yesterday on the heels of all time Obama low of 58%) that Obama is at 57/35 - another all time low for approval on Gallup, and an all time high for disapproval.

Wonder why Gibbsy claimed that House resolution was actually what Obama wanted, and why Obama finally, finally issued a statement which actually calls out Mahmoud for killing protesters.

Protesters were killed LAST WEEKEND and DURING THE WEEK.  The only thing that changed, other than yet higher levels of oppression, was the polling, and now that Obama has reacted, the entire MSM is pushing the narrative that
"Obama was smart and nuanced to leave "room to move" on Iran by not speaking out for a week"
"Obama spoke out now because only now did Iran do anything seriously bad"

Fucking MSM lies - but the public is slowing taking notice - and that makes the NYT/CBS poll showing 65% approval all the more cooked and suspect.

42 Present!

43

it is amazing how what our founding fathers stated everyone is born with (freedom) has now become so textbook and policy wonkish and only applicable and okay to say and recognize if it serves a political purpose.  so far it seems the only people that bho is willing to speak for when it comes to freedom are the palestinians and the terrorists at gitmo.  wow, i never realized the usa's policy was silence on another county's fraudulent elections, i guess bho really thought that saddam got 99% of the vote,  and who are we to say are you sure, i guess when bho told israel to stop the gaza shit and stop building on the west bank that was just a dream becuse the usa does not get involved in another country's politics ( i think israel just had an election). oh, and i guess, north korea can build as many nukes as it wants and blow up s. korea because we dont get involved.  almost forgot, who are we to have a plan in place to secure pakistan's nukes becuse we don't get involved in another country's political issues.  silly me, i guess that big unicorn shitting skittles is real. 

44 Thanks AHFF. I wonder if the polls will hit a point that the MSM will revert back to being somewhat objective? I think if that happens even a little bit, those numbers will continue to decline. The people who are able to think critically are able to see around the biased reporting. Those that listen to Charlie Gibson, might actually take a second look if objectivity returned. Of course, I suspect record highs after Obama's informercials both tonight and later this week.

45 "Dear Trolls,

So was Obama doing the right thing a few days ago, or is he doing the right thing now?  You know the statements are substantively different, right?

Or does Obama always do the right thing, regardless of what it is?"

First, I'm not a troll. But I assume you were addressing me since anyone who doesnt tow the line that obama is the antichrist is labeled a troll here.

Obama's position hasn't changed AT ALL. Initially, he said we should not act with haste and take a wait and see approach to assess the situation. As the situation did not cool down, Obama felt that the government needed to be made aware that the world was watching its actions. Im not sure how he did anything inconsistent, he never said that the US would never interject itself, just that it should wait for the appropriate moment to do so. The Iranian people have heard obama, and if you watch fox, the iranian people are thankful of what obama has done so far.

Yes, you are a troll, PS. The management classified you as one after your first post ever.
Just so you know where you stand.
Thanks,
The Trollbusters

46 18 I think the left also stopped talking about the Sudan once they realized who was doing the killing. (hint: not christianists).

Posted by: Dash Rendar at June 21, 2009 12:02 PM (aVQo/)

So, so true.  Darfur was a meme for about, what, 3 months?  Then they realized the Christians were the ones being slaughtered - off the radar.

Leftist scum.

47 First, I'm not a troll.

Dude.

48 42 Present!
Posted by: 44, Greatest president Evah! at June 21, 2009 12:15 PM (wU8X9)

Marvel at my mighty arms, you peasants.

49 Yes, thanks be to the Lightworker, for his fecklessness is ever abounding.

And yes, you are a classic troll, PoS.  Recall the first day you darkened this door?  "Hey guys, I'm a concerned conservative!  Isn't Nancy Pelosi stupid for not wanting to torture and rape terrorist suspects?  Cause, that's all what being a right-winger is, isn't it?"

Then "Hey, I'm a liberal, but I want to bridge the divide and bring you guys over to the side of the righteous ".

Now, "hey I'm a non-partisan, but everything Obama and the Democrats do is right and everything conservatives do is wrong and evil".

The way you just assume that none of us have functioning memories is really off-putting.

50

@45 The Iranian people have heard obama, and if you watch fox, the iranian people are thankful of what obama has done so far.

can you quantify that?

51

First, I'm not a troll

There is more than one type of troll.  Those who inject liberal nonsense onto a right sounding board, and those who walk in public parks with their fly unzipped. 

52 First, I'm not a troll.

I'll buy that.  But a little friendly advice: Don't stand up too fast, or else you'll hit your head on the bottom of the bridge.

Obama's position hasn't changed AT ALL.

You're right!  America has always been at war with Eurasia.

Initially, he said we should not act with haste and take a wait and see approach to assess the situation.

Nope.  Not at all.  He said we shouldn't interfere.  And then we did.  How did that happen?

As the situation did not cool down, Obama felt that the government needed to be made aware that the world was watching its actions.

Brilliant!  I'm sure they appreciated the heads up.  As I'm sure they never talked to Algore (pbuh), they were unaware of the intertubes.

The Iranian people have heard obama, and if you watch fox, the iranian people are thankful of what obama has done so far.

"Mr. Obama, can I have some more?"

"Mooooore????"

53 Remember that quote from BHO's book about being a blank slate on which others write their hopes? I guess that works until you are actually in need. Like being shot at.

The MSM is still writing on that slate what they want BHO to be. Iranians are thinking "I don't care what he thinks, I care what he does."

54 First, I'm not a troll.

That is a lie and you are a liar.

Obama's position hasn't changed AT ALL.

That is a lie and you are a liar.

55 Being as Reporters Without Borders (RSF) is reporting that at least 33 journalists have been detained by the Iranian regime, I'd say that they took the "world is watching" part, and decided to draw the curtains.

56 Remember that quote from BHO's book about being a blank slate on which others write their hopes?

Was that Issues from My Daddy?

57 I did not lie.  Lovely Iranian/American woman said "Obama has said the right things."

Not one word on Fox and Friends this a.m. about Iraq and Afg. being a model for freedom that repubs. and Bush walked through fire for eight years to bring about.

But you are right....hussein's twitters made all the difference in the Iranian protests.

Did you watch FandF this a.m.
I never lie.

58 I fully expect Hezboallah or Hamas to attack Israel any hour now, so the mullahs can go "Look, over there!  Rascally Jews!!!11"

And the World will oblige them.

59 Barry could have weakened the regime and strengthened the protesters a week ago, but instead he did the opposite.

Who amongst the protesters could have taken strength and courage from Barry's words? They knew after hearing what he said that they stood against tyranny without the USA at their back.

No amount of whining and bs from Barry's thugs such as ps and poon will change that fact.

ps, her name was Neda.

60 Techie

either a prophet or this is getting easy.

61 It should be noted that Pat Buchanan is on Obama's side here.  I have a rule: When it comes to the Middle East, if Buchanan holds one position, it is wise to hold the opposing one.

62 Lovely Iranian/American woman said "Obama has said the right things."

I think we should consider the possibility that she's never heard what a real, red-blooded, patriotic American president would say. 

63 44 Thanks AHFF. I wonder if the polls will hit a point that the MSM will revert back to being somewhat objective? I think if that happens even a little bit, those numbers will continue to decline. The people who are able to think critically are able to see around the biased reporting. Those that listen to Charlie Gibson, might actually take a second look if objectivity returned. Of course, I suspect record highs after Obama's informercials both tonight and later this week.

Posted by: Trish at June 21, 2009 12:17 PM (0U5Kd)

I'm not so sure about a bounce of the infomercials....perhaps we've reached a tipping point where the squishy middle is becoming immune to massive information dumps by the MSM into their heads of "OBAMA IS GREAT, OBAMA IS GREAT" in the face of actual facts which show otherwise.

64 ...we care about the fate of the Iranians more than your hero does by far

Call me skeptical about that Capt. Hate.

I think you "conservatives" are using the Iranian reformers to get yet another cheap political high off them...at least they fight for what they believe in...unlike you clowns.

Patterico even claims he wore green into work to express his "support" for the reformers in Iran.

Talk about beclowning yourself.

When I see one of you guys in the streets of Tehran charging the barricades, I take this latest tantrum seriously...until then:

/point-laff

65
Well, thank goodness it's a new day after yesterday's crisis!

As I said, Scooter's didn't get my order for 12 hot apple turnovers correct. They only gave me ten!

I was so upset, I had to take the girls out for ice cream!

Ice cream is so wonderful. It makes everything better. Even when so called "professional" car hops get your order wrong!

Easy, easy, Barak. Don't let it get to you. Today's a new day. A new day......

I'm President of the United States of America.

And I'm going out for brunch!

Oh, I hope I can get a Bellini cocktail! They're just scrumptious!

66 "It should be noted that Pat Buchanan is on Obama's side here.  I have a rule: When it comes to the Middle East, if Buchanan holds one position, it is wise to hold the opposing one." - Amishdude

What a dumb rule that is.

Buchanan as far as I know, is the ultimate patriot. He cares about what's BEST FOR AMERICA, not for any other country. He only has AMERICA'S interest at heart, not that of any OTHER nation....unlike conservatives, who treat Israel like the 51 state of the US for some reason.

67 poon,

Morning, thug.

Did you get your new club in the mail yet?

68 as far as I know

Heh.

69 The very saddest twitters are people asking why someone's account was "suddenly deleted" and they can't be reached.  So sad.

70 "Lovely Iranian/American woman said "Obama has said the right things."

I think we should consider the possibility that she's never heard what a real, red-blooded, patriotic American president would say. "

I think its pretty hard to believe she's never heard Bush speak in the past 8 years...most Iranians thought bush was an warcrazy idiot though.

71 Pat B. is a Nazi sympathizing, Jew-hating SOB.

72 O/T

On Jan. 21-23 Obama had a +56 approval/disapproval rating for Gallup.
Today it's at +22.

Today Rasmussen is showing him at -2.

73 most Iranians

Heh, heh.

he's rolling.

74 POS you are a damn imbecile.  Pat Buchanan is a complete anti semite he dosen't look for whats best for the U.S. he just looks for whats worst for Israel.  You goddamned idiot

75

Expanding the protests beyond students will be important.

According to the woman from Iran I spoke with earlier this week, getting the support of the business owners and the transportation people, essentially the infrastructure, is key. In the revolution 30 years ago having that support moved the cause forward.

76 "Pat B. is a Nazi sympathizing, Jew-hating SOB. "

you want to make an outrageous statement like that...you best be prepared to back it up. What has Pat Buchanan done to indicate he sympathizes with nazis or hates jews? Him questioning why US should always back Israel does not allow you to tar his name in such a fashion.

77 One group has a chance to take power in their country, the other group never will again.



Obama's approval rating has dropped 34 points since he took office and in todays Rasmussen tracking poll his approval rating has dipped to -2.

And he's only been in office for 5 months. The Democrat led most ethical Congress in history approval rating is in the toilet


Yea, hold that thought.

78

64 poon at June 21, 2009 12:32 PM (i31Zq)

When I see one of you guys in the streets of Tehran charging the barricades, I take this latest tantrum seriously...until then:

/point-laff

That's a great bit of logic there, poon. Any international issue you care about = you chickenhawk, you can't have an opinion unless you're there!

So... what international issues do you care about, and why aren't you there doing something about it, instead of stinking up a comments thread with retardery? For example, do you care about, say, the spread of AIDS in Africa? If so, why don't you have a medical degree and why aren't you in Republic of Congo helping Africans with AIDS? Chickendoctor!!!111!!LOL

79 "POS you are a damn imbecile.  Pat Buchanan is a complete anti semite he dosen't look for whats best for the U.S. he just looks for whats worst for Israel.  You goddamned idiot"

LOL...what a buffoon you are. Pat Buchanan could give less a shit for the state of Israel...he certainly doesnt waste his energy trying to harm Israel.

He is only questioning, why we, the US, always feel the need to back Israel...a question he would ask if we backed any nation in such a way. He's asking what WE get out of the deal.

80 #76: you retard Buchanan just wrote a book claiming WWII was unneccesary.  Damn youre dumb

81 Didn't Buchanan say some things about it being a mistake to fight Hitler in WWII?

82 Copypastian   caution "stay home in groups turn lights off kill Basij who enter homes knives hammers forks Basij Tehran" Neda

83 so that makes him a nazi sympathizer? what are your IQs?

jeebus.

84 Four out of five Barry thugs surveyed preferred the Skullbuster 9000 club to the leading brand.

"It's a lot lighter, but just as strong. So I can bust twice as many heads before I need to take a breather. Thanks, Skullbuster!" - palin steele

85 Yes, Locus.  I think it was his last book "Churchill, Hitler and the Unneccasry War"

86 Another thread, another opportunity for Puking Sperm to beclown himitself.

87 early cuyler

yea I read the synopsis on amazon and decided nada.

88 never put much stock in IQ tests myself, POS.  In my experience everyone who trots his IQ out all the time has barely been able to tie his damned shoes.  Can you tie yours, or does mommy still have to do that for you every time you leave her basement to buy more comic books?

89 It's Buchanan's repeated accusations of dual loyalties that I've always found to be beyond the pale.

90 It seems today is a day of regrouping for both sides in Iran. Or, does it only seem that way because the data flow is diminished?

91 Didn't Buckley devote an entire issue of NR to exposing Buchanan's anti semitism a while ago?

92 and I doubt most of you monkeys even read Buchanan's book.

His book was not saying that US shouldnt have fought in WW2 to liberate the nazi oppressed folks.

Buchanans point was that Churchill made a series of blunders that allowed people like Hitler and the Nazis to get into power in the first place...and he makes the case why WW2 and the holocaust would've been prevented had Churchill not made such mistakes.

But its so much easier to just look at a title and bash it without knowing what the hell you're babbling about riiiiight?

93 It should be crystal clear to anyone paying attention why Israel is an ally. They're the only government in the region that takes their obligations as a government seriously and acts in good faith. If it weren't for the state of Israel, peaceful Arabs would have nowhere to go to escape tyrrany.

94 It's Buchanan's repeated accusations of dual loyalties that I've always found to be beyond the pale. - toby

What do you mean?

95 83 so that makes him a nazi sympathizer? what are your IQs?

jeebus.


ok, ok ps he's not an outright goose stepping overt in yer face hitler mustachioed Illinois nazi, he's just crypto and shit. me thinks and it's just a hunch and i'm going way out on a limb here, but i really  don't think pat much likes them jew fellers.

96 You know who else is an idiot, palin steele?  Ron Paul.  That guy is a crypto-anti-Semite, don't you think?

97 "It should be crystal clear to anyone paying attention why Israel is an ally. They're the only government in the region that takes their obligations as a government seriously and acts in good faith. If it weren't for the state of Israel, peaceful Arabs would have nowhere to go to escape tyrrany." - the band

And yet you can't name one tangible benefit the US gets out of its alliance with Israel.

Do we get more access to cheaper oil by helping Israel?

Do we get more diplomatic credit with the world by helping Israel?

Do we get financial benefit from helping Israel?

No.

We get nothing, except hate from the middle east, condemnation from the world, and waste of our money and blood in the region.

98 He is only questioning, why we, the US, always feel the need to back Israel...a question he would ask if we backed any nation in such a way. He's asking what WE get out of the deal.




So you don't think we should back the only Democracy in the Middle East, a nation of 5.62 million surrounded by a billion muslims who want to kill them?

I thought you guys were supposed to be the party of tolerance and compassion? *snicker*

99 Someone suggested flooding the oil market to bankrupt the Iranian government, to which I responded:

Re helping Iran by flooding mkt. to depress oil price? With Obama? He's not drill baby drill; he's Vanil(la), baby Vanil(la)!

100 "but i really  don't think pat much likes them jew fellers." - Joan

Pat doesn't have any unique fondness for any foreigners, which last time I checked, Israel was considered.

Pat only cares about whats good for America...when did that become a crime?

101 I think we're missing a golden opportunity to embrace the new standard (set by our visiting female orifice) for determining who has moral authority to speak on an issue. S/he's right -- only those of us who participate in a conflict should speak to it.

I'll happily trade speaking up on Iran for a re-do of our election process wherein only members of the military can vote for CiC.

'Wonder how that's turn out?

102 Words alone cannot describe the sick and disgusting feeling I have inside for President Obama.  I'm not proud to be an American today...thank you Mr. President.

103 "I thought you guys were supposed to be the party of tolerance and compassion? *snicker*" - blazer

Im not sure what party you're babbling about.

My foreign policy is very simple: if it is in the interests of the US to act, we will do so. If it is not in OUR interests, you can go fuck yourself.

104 Perhaps the Iranian regime will soon experience the joy of IEDs.

Many Iranians know how to make and deploy them.

105 POS

you are needlessly provocative. A better book making the point you assert Buchanan was making is "Troublesome Young Men" by Lynne Olson.

Buchanan has constantly taken a position against foreign entanglements. Has criticized Israel and our protection of her ad nauseam. http://www.newsweek.com/id/124012.

106 Shit, POS... if we hadn't gotten involved in WWII we never would have had that secret super-soldier program that created your hero Captain America, now would we?  Looks like you should dislike Buchanan more than any of us.

107 Pat only cares about whats good for America...when did that become a crime?




Between Jan 20 2001 and Jan.20 2009.

108

83 palin steele (the only non-partisan on AoSHQ) at June 21, 2009 12:42 PM

Tell Adrianna Lima "hi".

Writing of "group fantasies of martyrdom," Buchanan challenged the historical record that thousands of Jews were gassed to death by diesel exhaust at Treblinka: "Diesel engines do not emit enough carbon monoxide to kill anybody." (New Republic, 10/22/90)

Buchanan's columns have run in the Liberty Lobby's Spotlight, the German-American National PAC newsletter and other publications that claim Nazi death camps are a Zionist concoction. Buchanan called for closing the U.S. Justice Department's Office of
Special Investigations, which prosecuted Nazi war criminals, because it was "running down 70-year-old camp guards." (New York Times, 4/21/87)

After Cardinal O'Connor criticized anti-Semitism during the
controversy over construction of a convent near Auschwitz, Buchanan wrote: "If U.S. Jewry takes the clucking appeasement of the Catholic cardinalate as indicative of our submission, it is mistaken. When Cardinal O'Connor of New York seeks to soothe the always irate Elie Wiesel by reassuring him 'there are many Catholics who are anti-Semitic'...he speaks for himself. Be not afraid, Your Eminence; just step aside, there are bishops and priests ready to assume the role of defender of the faith." (New Republic, 10/22/90)

If you want more, fix the G, O, L, and E keys on your keyboard. I'm not your Internet search bitch.

109 Come on, PoS, regale us with more calls for torturing terrorists!  That'll reprove your bonafides!

110 Patty Buchs is nigh encephalopathic. The libs kinda-sorta like him because he rags on Israel and gives a vent to their insatiable appetite for moral equivalence: "See the right is anti-semitic too."

111 i see; israel, is one of our most important allies, the only democracy in the mid east, a nation of creative, productive people only striving for peace, threatened by it's arab neighbors who won't even recognize their right to exist as a nation.  we should sell them out to pacify and kowtow to the arabs because you perceive that to be in our best interests as a nation. right.

112 ps hates Israel.

ps hates the Joooz.

ps is a thug.

113
"I'll happily trade speaking up on Iran for a re-do of our election process wherein only members of the military can vote for CiC.

'Wonder how that's turn out? " concerned

yeah, Obama will win in a landslide.

"According to an analysis of campaign contributions by the nonpartisan Center for Responsive Politics, Democrat Barack Obamahas received nearly six times as much money from troops deployed overseas at the time of their contributions than has Republican John McCain..."

or, maybe we should have only those making over $200k vote, they sure wont vote in a tax hiker.

Oh wait, Obama won that segment too.

114 What, what phase is the moon moving into?  Is PoS going to be a staunch conservative, a sympathetic liberal, or a "non-partisan" for the rest of the day?

115 Im not sure what party you're babbling about.




 Because your against us and have been against us on just about every issue since you popped up here. You are intentionally obtuse and annoying, especially trying to feign like your a non-partisan. Bullshit.

116 Buchanan as far as I know, is the ultimate patriot. He cares about what's BEST FOR AMERICA, not for any other country. He only has AMERICA'S interest at heart, not that of any OTHER nation....unlike conservatives, who treat Israel like the 51 state of the US for some reason.

Gonna have to recalibrate the troll-meter after that one. Redlined the previous benchmarks.

117 Bullshit.   Winston Churchill wasn't in power when Hitler came to power, Neville Chamberlain was.

118 Buchanans point was that Churchill made a series of blunders that allowed people like Hitler and the Nazis to get into power in the first place

Since it was Neville Chamberlain that was the prime minister of England when "Hitler and the Nazis (got) into power in the first place", once again you're displaying your appalling lack of knowledge of history while trying to get over on people.   If you had a perceptible degree of self-worth you'd ban yourself and do something with your life in which you might succeed.

119 Patty Buchs is nigh encephalopathic. The libs kinda-sorta like him because he rags on Israel and gives a vent to their insatiable appetite for moral equivalence: "See the right is anti-semitic too."




Speaks volumes that only MSNBC will give him a chair to rant from.

120

The Frogs Trump O'bambi

We have a skrunt for president.

http://tiny.cc/hhOUr

121 Bambi is performing admirably according to the left because its win-win in from their inverted prism. If Barky does nothing, it diminished the office of the president vis-a-vis the promotion of freedom abroad and puts American exceptionalism on the wane, whereas if he stands up and speaks with clarity, he's the next best Reagan and a man of the left is elevated.

122 Trolls in full meltdown. Poor fellas ought to go back to 4chan where they are welcome. Could the Outrage™ be due to the fact that The Lord of the Flyswatters has fallen, as AHFF points out, to his lowest point, and in fact has gone negative in overall approval when you stack up total approval/disapproval stats?

"Gallup shows today (after ominously skipping reporting yesterday on the heels of all time Obama low of 58%) that Obama is at 57/35 - another all time low for approval on Gallup, and an all time high for disapproval."

I like Jim Treacher's bon mot: Obama snacked, Iranians got whacked.

There's a lot of whacking going on right now, behind lefty doors. Lord of the Flyswatters.

123 And yet you can't name one tangible benefit the US gets out of its alliance with Israel.

We get nothing, except hate from the middle east, condemnation from the world, and waste of our money and blood in the region.
Posted by: palin steele (the only non-partisan on AoSHQ) at June 21, 2009 12:51 PM (VDj74)

You know P(o)S you are so right...
I mean look at all the trouble Former President Thomas Jefferson had with Islamists in the Barbary Coast because he supported Isr...
What? Israel is a modern state formed after WWII?
Well then why were Marines on "the shores of Tripoli"?
I'm confused by your facts, and find your opinons confused, I would not like to supscribe to your newletter.

124 "According to an analysis of campaign contributions by the nonpartisan Center for Responsive Politics, Democrat Barack Obamahas received nearly six times as much money from troops deployed overseas at the time of their contributions than has Republican John McCain..."

or, maybe we should have only those making over $200k vote, they sure wont vote in a tax hiker.

Oh wait, Obama won that segment too.

Posted by: palin steele (the only non-partisan on AoSHQ) at June 21, 2009 12:58 PM (VDj74)

Dumbass. Obama outcashed McCain several times over and yet he didn't get several times more votes than mccain. a handful of US troops giving an assload of money to obama could make it look like he has support, even if 99% of them vote against him. money is not the same thing as votes.

125

You know, I have to admit I'm kind of indifferent to the whole Iranian protest thing.  I think I've seen one to many "Death to America" marches in Iran.  I have never seen anyone there disagree with that sentiment.  And nothing the U.S. does or doesn't do will ever get muslims to like us. 

We helped the Mujahideen in Afghanistan fight the Soviets when they invaded.  The result?  Muslims hate us.

We intervened in Bosnia when no one else would to prevent genocide against muslims.  The result?  Muslims hate us.

If Iranians renounce their vile hate-god allah and islam, then I'll be interested in helping them.  But for now, they made their shit-hole country the way it is, so they can deal with it themselves.  If they want to make it into something else, that's their business.  But as long as they practice islam, they will hate us.

I find myself agreeing with a non-interventionist approach.  It's a no-win situation for us anyway.  Support human rights and freeedom of speech in general, sure, but taking a side when there would be no clear-cut benefit to us of one side over the other, is a waste of time and energy.

I can be persuaded otherwise, though, if facts warrant.  I would love to see a pro-West Iran.

126 "ps hates Israel."

I feel about Israel the same way I feel about Mexico...that is to say, I don't hate it nor love it.

Its just a potential vacation destination as far as Im concerned. Mexico can deal with its own problems, and so can Israel.

127

From Anon: current

People are yelling "Allah o Akbar" and "Marg bar dictator" (death to dictator) right now. Its louder than every night before.   Basij base in n. tehran under mob attack

128

Uh-oh.  Teh Won is not going to like this, as his ears are featured prominently (is there any other way?)  This made the folks at The Nation cranky.

http://tinyurl.com/mhx8cv

JibJab: He's Barack Obama

129 ps has revealed his primary driving force, the true reason he loves Barry: Barry hates Israel, too.

The Pat B, Barry the Hutt, ps triple cluster blow is now on display.

130 Obama will win in a landslide.


See - that right there disqualifies you from  ever typing a sentence again.

131 "You know, I have to admit I'm kind of indifferent to the whole Iranian protest thing. " IowaInfidel

You must be a TROLL! you must loven nibbling Obama's cock! GET OUT OF HERE!!!

132 We intervened in Bosnia when no one else would to prevent genocide against muslims.  The result?  Muslims hate us.

Wrong; the muslims in the Balkans are very much pro-USA.  Check out Ledeen on that.  I used to be skeptical about our involvement there but the results turned my opinion 180.

133 118 Buchanans point was that Churchill made a series of blunders that allowed people like Hitler and the Nazis to get into power in the first place

ps first purports to be an undergrad, but he plans soon on going to grad school so he expects soon to be raking in the big bucks (like that ms in sociology is going to earn him six figures). then later all of a sudden ps is a law student at harvard. he makes stupid comments like the one above that  shows how unknowledgable he is about basic facts of history. you have no credibility whatsover ps, you are a joke.

134 I ask again, can I just finish my waffle cone?

135 Obama's approval rating has dropped...

That is to be expected.

He'll still get re-elected in a landslide, though.

Because you Republicans are wasting all your time trying to score small, cheap, meaningless political "victories" (and sinners like Ensign aren't helping the cause, either) instead of rebuilding their trust with America.

I expect whoever the poor fool is you guys prop up to face Obama in 2012 will fare worse than Dole did against Clinton.

136 Yes you may, Mr. President.

137 Obama's a one termer.

138 Those anti-USA parades in Iran were staged, dude.

Nobody was killed, no dissent. All the signs were professionally made.

Totally fake.

What is happening now is revealing the true sentiments of the Iranian people.

139

125 IowaInfidel at June 21, 2009 01:03 PM (tZT0z)

You know, I have to admit I'm kind of indifferent to the whole Iranian protest thing.  I think I've seen one to many "Death to America" marches in Iran.  I have never seen anyone there disagree with that sentiment.  And nothing the U.S. does or doesn't do will ever get muslims to like us. 

I know how you feel. I think the great hope is that, maybe, this time it will be different.

140

And yet you can't name one tangible benefit the US gets out of its alliance with Israel.

Sure I can. They're ideologically aligned and strategically located to hold back the hegemony of the oppressive Islamic states in the region.

Do we get more diplomatic credit with the world by helping Israel?

"Diplomatic credit with the world" is a non-entity. There's no such thing.

Do we get financial benefit from helping Israel?

We do a lot of trade with them, yes. But it's irrelevant anyway. We don't get money from Great Britain either. That doesn't mean we should abandon them if they're persistently attacked by tyrannical regimes bent on making us the dessert after the meal. Is money all you care about?

We get nothing, except hate from the middle east

Been happening for 1,300 years, ignoramus.

condemnation from the world

No, we get nasty-grams from a bunch of panty-waist effete snobs in Europe who sit around all day smoking clove cigarettes and reading Proust. Fuck 'em and fuck their self-important egos.

and waste of our money and blood in the region.

Funny how you don't seem to have a problem with us pouring billions into Egypt, the Palestinian Authority, or the child-rapists of the U.N.

141 Its just a potential vacation destination as far as Im concerned. Mexico can deal with its own problems, and so can Israel.





That right there is the statement of a rank amateur. About 12-20 million of Mexico's problems are over here illegally. In other words, we're dealing with Mexico's problems, they're getting billions of remittances in return.

Win,win for them.

142 135 Obama's approval rating has dropped...

That is to be expected.

He'll still get re-elected in a landslide, though.

Because you Republicans are wasting all your time trying to score small, cheap, meaningless political "victories" (and sinners like Ensign aren't helping the cause, either) instead of rebuilding their trust with America.

I expect whoever the poor fool is you guys prop up to face Obama in 2012 will fare worse than Dole did against Clinton.

Posted by: poon at June 21, 2009 01:07 PM (i31Zq)

Well of course you oppose the GOP scoring any kind of victories....

Stop with the false sympathy advice to conservatives, everyone here knows you are just trying to distract and demoralize.   Seriously, your shtick aint working pal.

143 He's already fucked the nation beyond recognition with the deficits, is liable for impeachment re: Walpin. It's gonna be fun discovering all the fucked up shit he and his cronies have and will have done in the 4 years re: Acorn, the Black Panthers, support for neo-Marxist Alinskyite groups, etc. I smell RICO against a third of the anti-American American political party what has adopted the Stalinist tack in all matters civil and economic.

144 I hate, hate to do this, but I agree that Churchill made mistakes that helped slow the resistance to Nazi's. The book I noted above makes this point. It was prior to him being PM. It then gives him credit for seeing his mistake and being the man we all admire. Troublesome Young Men is worth the read.

I don't believe Buchanan was making that point.

145

Captain Hate, thanks for enlightening me.  I'll have to read up more on that.

And no, Palin Steel, I'm not a troll.  I'm expressing an opinion, but am willing to change that opinion based on learnig new facts.  Can you do that?  Your only purpose seems to be to try to disrupt threads, not have any kind of honest discussion.  That's very sad.

146 "Funny how you don't seem to have a problem with us pouring billions into Egypt, the Palestinian Authority, or the child-rapists of the U.N." - the band

except I do.

147 I still don't get it, he goes out for ice scream with his kids, looks like he doesn't have a care in the world and the big shots in I ran say he's causing trouble.  I mean he seems like he could care less.  I know someone pointed out "appearances to the people" but why would they care what our prez thinks?

148 Where is the liberal outrage.

Buried in the mass graves of the former Soviet Union, the killing fields of Cambodia, Rwanda, etc. 

149 I mean he seems like he could care less.

I mean he seems like he could care less. 

150 He'll still get re-elected in a landslide, though.

LOL; kind of like the last donk preznit that took it up the squeakhole on Iran.  And hated the Jews.

151 Buchanans point was that Churchill made a series of blunders that allowed people like Hitler and the Nazis to get into power in the first place

Right, right about the time Churchill WASN'T Prime Minister.

Next, why don't you discuss how Bush was at fault for senate debate of Kyoto being voted down 95-0?

I know you lefties always believe history started yesterday, but c'mon pink squeal at least TRY to say something coherent.

152

Buchanan was the ultimate patriot

wow, just fucking wow

I would run down a list of CMH recipients with a oh my by each but you don't deserve to even see their names

153 Thank the Almighty that Al Gore and the Democrats failed to steal the 2000 election and the World had George W. Bush to spread freedom and courage against tyranny for eight years.

Planets and Starships will be named for him.

Barry will have a set of mental disorders bearing his name.

154 Obama's a one termer.

The worst Presidents usually are.  Although the lefts hero, FDR, actually was a three-termer. He also thought you could build parks and roads in the middle of no where and spend money on make-work projects and the public would love him. I don't think the American public is that dumb anymore.

155

131 palin steele (the only non-partisan on AoSHQ) at June 21, 2009 01:06 PM (VDj74)

"You know, I have to admit I'm kind of indifferent to the whole Iranian protest thing." IowaInfidel

You must be a TROLL! you must loven nibbling Obama's cock! GET OUT OF HERE!!!

Little girl. You annoy. Go play with your superhero action figures and be quiet. Let rational people have their conversations free of your fantasy play.

156 1.) Non-intervention is intervention.  Ask any Hungarian about 1956.

2.) Don't you agree with me about the odious Ron Paul, ps?

157 This is interesting, if true.

158 O But IF Barky were to lend the full support of US via the ~$1.5 Billion in regime destabilization funds and IF in the unlikely event the regime fell, Hezbollah and Hamas would go bankrupt, there would be no need for an Israeli strike on Iran and the land between Iraq and Afghanistan would presumably enjoy some form of actual low-level democracy, thus completing the Bush trifecta. Of course, Bamby knows that this to a certain extent and it must not be allowed to happen.

159 "Right, right about the time Churchill WASN'T Prime Minister." buster mcDissenter

So Churchill couldnt influence foreign policy BEFORE he became PM...oh I blew your mind there, didnt I? tee hee

160

oh, let me use your 'what do we get logic'

welfare, what do we get in return for it? nothing that i can see so let cut off all welfare, dems would love that one

p/s, your idiocy have no bounds

161 Buchanan was the ultimate patriot



Just so you know p.s., Buchanan is still alive. However your referring to him as the ultimate patriot in the past tense, is duly noted.

162

138 Those anti-USA parades in Iran were staged, dude.

Nobody was killed, no dissent. All the signs were professionally made.

Totally fake.

What is happening now is revealing the true sentiments of the Iranian people.

I truly hope you're right, but even of those demostrations were faked, you would think someone would have leaked it out to the West.  They get the word out now, but didn't make the effort then?  It's tough to accept that.

163 So Churchill couldnt influence foreign policy BEFORE he became PM

I suppose he could, but he was a back bencher.  It would be like that gynocologist in Congress influencing foreign policy.

You know, given Ron Paul's foreign policy, I'd figure he was a proctologist.

164

"welfare, what do we get in return for it? nothing that i can see so let cut off all welfare, dems would love that one" 

I'd for for cutting welfare. thats a nobrainer.

165 Just so you know p.s., Buchanan is still alive. However your referring to him as the ultimate patriot in the past tense, is duly noted.

No, he was right.  Buchanan died.  But Jacob's enemy took over his body and has been using it ever since.

/LOST reference.

166 Posted by: IowaInfidel at June 21, 2009 01:12 PM (tZT0z)

I was extremely skeptical on Bosnia, primarily because I didn't trust Slick and the MSM was really, really shilling for a war which is most unlike those traitorous cocksuckers.  Keep in mind that the muslims in that area haven't been infested by the wahabi filth from Saudi Arabia and remain relatively western oriented in their outlook.  They were outraged by 9/11 and everything Ledeen has reported from Bosnia, Kosovo and Albania indicates a muslim entity that would be very easy to coexist with.

167 "And yet you can't name one tangible benefit the US gets out of its alliance with Israel.

Do we get more access to cheaper oil by helping Israel?

Do we get more diplomatic credit with the world by helping Israel?

Do we get financial benefit from helping Israel?

No.

We get nothing, except hate from the middle east, condemnation from the world, and waste of our money and blood in the region." - palin steele

________________________________


Because doing the right thing doesn't matter. All that matters is our reputation, right? And the immediate benefit we could receive from bowing and submitting to cruel, heartless regimes, and turning a blind eye to the mistreatment of human beings just as deserving of liberty as ourselves...

I know arguing with trolls does no good, but I just couldn't bring myself to let that one go....

168 I'm sure this brave Iranian will be happy to hear that Obama is still pretty excited about talking to his government, you know know the ones who unleashed the goons on him and his friends.

When I went to school, they taught us about something called the "Munich Mentality".  I guess they don't teach that anymore.

169
Facebook is apparently taking down videos of things going on in Iran.  Especially the Neda video.

170

except I do.

PS posts condemning welfare to muderous dysfunctional regimes in the middle-east: 0%. PS posts condemning profitable sales of military hardware to a stable and responsible democracy: 100%.

171 Palin Steele

please you did not make that point for 20 minutes in the thread. You were being pounded by others in the thread for it. Then after I made a point of correction at 144 you all of the sudden come up with your brilliant point?

Go take a nap.

On a different note the daily Gut quote:
Someone please dig up Reagan. I’d take a dead leader with balls over a living camp counselor who wants all the cool kids to like him.

172 "169
Facebook is apparently taking down videos of things going on in Iran.  Especially the Neda video.

Posted by: thebronze at June 21, 2009 01:23 PM (oMHAH)"

Have they given an explanation as to why?

173 To be fair, I'm pretty sure those graphic videos violate the Facebook TOS, but they should be moved over to LiveLeak post haste.

174

I'd for for cutting welfare. thats a nobrainer

Bullshit, thats how the democratic party buys their votes.  Cut welfare and the republican party takes over.  welfare = slavery

175 Fareed Zacharia played that video on CNN during his program.  He had a lot of trouble hiding his upsetment  today, I felt sorry for him.

176 Rounding up the daughters of opposition leaders is all part of the "Robust Debate" process.

- BHO

177

"According to an analysis of campaign contributions by the nonpartisan Center for Responsive Politics, Democrat Barack Obamahas received nearly six times as much money from troops deployed overseas at the time of their contributions than has Republican John McCain..."

If the military is so obviously pro-democrat as you seem to think Palin Steele, why do the democrats do everything possible to prevent absentee ballots from the military from being counted?

I wonder what increadibly stupid thing are you going to say next that makes you run away like the scared little girl you are?  Oh and have you gone and registered at Daly Kos or Democratic Underground yet?  You know since you just loathe exho chambers, and you're not actually a pathetic liberal troll.  You should have no problem at those places.  Afterall, its the conservatives that are intolerant and not interested in hearing different viewpoints.

Go ahead we'll wait.

178

You know, I have to admit I'm kind of indifferent to the whole Iranian protest thing.  I think I've seen one to many "Death to America" marches in Iran.  Posted by: IowaInfidel at June 21, 2009 01:03 PM     

I agree.  I'm afraid we may be projecting our own hopes and ideals onto the protesters.  How many really want a free election and how many simply support the other candidate?  Everyone keeps saying this isn't about Mousavi any more, but I am truly skepitcal.  He and Rafsanjani want power and I firmly believe they will do whatever it takes to get it.

I have friends who spent time in Iran about 2 years ago, and they said the hatred of the USA is prevalent on the streets as well as in the mosques and government.  People would come up to them and berate them for the "destruction of Iraq" and supporting Israel, among others things. 

179

Would you like to address the rest of my comment, PS? I'm particularly interested in knowing why you crave the adulation of Leftist intellectuals in Europe who desire nothing more than running the private lives of their subjects.

And by-the-by, I remember you coming to Obama's vigorous defense on domestic spending a few weeks ago when he was trashed here. Is that part of your crusade against the welfare state?

180

OT

Obama wishes Bush would speak out more because then it is easier to blame him.

http://tinyurl.com/m2zggg

 

181 "Bullshit, thats how the democratic party buys their votes.  Cut welfare and the republican party takes over.  welfare = slavery" nayyjoecop

good thing Im not in the democratic party. Im also for deportation of illegals...whaddya think of that?

182

My foreign policy is very simple: if it is in the interests of the US to act, we will do so. If it is not in OUR interests, you can go fuck yourself.

Posted by: palin steele (the only non-partisan on AoSHQ) at June 21, 2009 12:54 PM (VDj74)

Yeah -- it sure would've been in our interest to let Germany conquer Europe.

'Cause you would only need to learn to speak German in order to get along in all of Europe!

You are a weapons grade, blue ribbon winning dumbfuck.

183

Basij thugs aren't doing all the beating:

http://tinyurl.com/n56h25

 

184 good thing Im not in the democratic party.

Yeah, then you can vote against the freedom-hating Ron Paul in primaries, right?

185 http://www.churchill-society-london.org.uk/chronology.htm

186   Fun Fact O' The Day:

The Moral High Ground is built solidly upon the bodies of Iranian Protesters

brought to you by the unicorn foundation

187 Yes, PoS is soooo against the welfare state, he/she/it has a long history of espousing such beliefs............  Riiiiiiiiiiiiiight.

188 What  do you want Obama to do about the situation is Iran?

189 I am against welfare, I dont think its good for the country. Im not sure whats so hard to believe about that.

190 "According to an analysis of campaign contributions by the nonpartisan Center for Responsive Politics, Democrat Barack Obamahas received nearly six times as much money from troops deployed overseas at the time of their contributions than has Republican John McCain..."


i don't know where you got that, but i have a hard time believing it . i'm sure though that it's a fact that the overwhelming majority of our armed forces voted for mccain over the one.
i

191 I am against welfare, I dont think its good for the country. Im not sure whats so hard to believe about that.




It's hard to garner exactly what you believe in. However you seem to have no problem rushing to Obama's defense anytime anyone here is critical of him, thats for sure.

192 Blazer, reflexive derision of conservatives and blind adulation of the actions of The One Lightworker are the hallmarks of a "non-partisan".

Get with the message.

193

I am against welfare, I dont think its good for the country. Im not sure whats so hard to believe about that.

The fact that you come to the Democrats' defense whenever their insane domestic policy is attacked might have something to do with it.

194
My foreign policy is very simple: if it is in the interests of the US to act, we will do so. If it is not in OUR interests, you can go fuck yourself.

what's in america's long term interest is to promote democracy and american values and to support nations that uphold the same as opposed to nations that tyrannize their own people.

195

HELLO!!

 

What do you guys want Obama to do regarding the situation is Iran???

196 Apparently, PS has to "suck Obama's dick to destroy it."

197 Posted by: palin steele (the only non-partisan on AoSHQ) at June 21, 2009 01:30 PM (VDj74)

Ya know, PS, I was thinking bout you today as I was fencing some pasture.  You really don't get it, and Ace, among others, gave you an epic de-trolling the other day, and yet you still keep coming back for more.

See, you're just a kid, and it's obvious from your posts.  I, for one, don't think you're stupid, as you've shown facility with language, and I don't think most morons actively dislike you. But you have shown clearly that you have not passed Life 101: Shit and Shinola, a Comparative Study.   That's no crime for a kid, but you're not among kids.  I'm probably a pretty average moron: 39, married with kids, a small farm, a job, pay taxes, look for oil leaks on the weekend, and otherwise have earned the healthy cynicism that makes one a conservative.  You haven't earned shit, and it shows.

Actually, I think you should hang around, but talk a lot less.  It will kick the ass of the "education" you're getting at Meth High or wherever you spend your waking hours outside your parents' basement.  Just food for thought.

198 What is so difficult about that question.What should Obama do about the Iran situation?  

199 "It's hard to garner exactly what you believe in. However you seem to have no problem rushing to Obama's defense anytime anyone here is critical of him, thats for sure." - Blazer

No I don't...if I did, I'd be in every thread. I only defend him when I think its particularly inane type of criticism...where he gets bashed if he does or if he doesn't.

I have no problems with people legtimately criticizing him on anything...healthcare, spending, foreign policy etc. But its the kneejerk bashing (ie that some far leftists engaged against bush...to the point where NOTHING they do is right) that gets me miffed.

I prefer conservatives to give him credit when Obama does something that accues to conservative stances...ie not releasing photos, support of regular marriage etc...the issues that he has angered the left on. By giving him credit when deserved, it gives conservatives far more credit when they do criticize him. But if you just mindlessly bash every and any thing he does, then you just sound like a broken record.

end rant.

Signing off for the day. Later morons.

200 Wow, the view of this situation with old people is really impacted by how they feel towards jimmy and his hostage problem.

201 I've decided to squander my lgf name threadjacking, in progress.

202 What do you guys want Obama to do regarding the situation is Iran???

Too late now.

That's the thing about leadership.

Looks like Obama can't take the heat, so he went out for ice cream.

203 We'll whip your ass after we're done with PS, zippy. Be patient.

204 Palin Steele, you make a great point.. It is fine to point out LEGIT differences in policy with our goverment but when you go into overdrive on bashing it does tend to chip away at your credabilty of being a serious voice on the right..

205 Zippy, he could start with :

 To those new States whom we welcome to the ranks of the free, we pledge our word that one form of colonial control shall not have passed away merely to be replaced by a far more iron tyranny. We shall not always expect to find them supporting our view. But we shall always hope to find them strongly supporting their own freedom—and to remember that, in the past, those who foolishly sought power by riding the back of the tiger ended up inside.

206 Whew, banned in 2 minutes flat.

207 zippy,

1) Refuse to negotiate with Iran. Period.

2) Openly and without any reservation stand with the protesters.

3) Impose new and painful sanctions on Iran.

4) Urge Congress to to pass a "Regime Change in Iran" law.

208 Awww. PoS took its ball and went home.

209 Just watched my dawg take a palin steele and then scratch his rear legs at, and ran over to me and smiled, that's a Texas dawg right there.

210 Well, now we know that ps is a Pat-sy.  The pieces are falling into place.

211

What do you guys want Obama to do regarding the situation is Iran???

Too late now.

That's the thing about leadership.

Looks like Obama can't take the heat, so he went out for ice cream

 

 

Haw haw, SEE? You can't even asnswer the question, yet you will go speed with your rabbid rant against Obama, why not just be a serious critic rather then being coming off like the nutty left did when it was Bush being bashed for breathing??? C'mon, that is just dishonesty.

212 What should Obama do about the Iran situation? 

Use this an an opportunity to locate and kill all the Iranian Quds infiltrators in Iraq because their handlers are busy doing other shit right now.

213

188 zippy at June 21, 2009 01:35 PM (QPDn7)

What  do you want Obama to do about the situation in Iran?

I want him to be more of an American presidential presence than he has been. To state principles. Something along the lines of:

"We, the American people, believe that government is of the people, by the people, and for the people. We believe this for a reason. The turmoil seen today in Iran is the result of government that is not accountable to the people, that views itself to be, instead, the masters of people. This is the result of government of that kind. Our ancestors braved all kinds of hardship to escape what we are seeing today in Iran. Government that only sees people as things to be ruled can expect only strife."

Etc. Obviously, that's just an approximation, I'm no presidential speech writer. It doesn't come down, explicitly, in favor of anything, other than the principles of good governance. Each side may then take from it what it will.

The sneering you see towards Obama here is because most of us don't think he believes any of that.

214 The only nonpartisan on AoSHQ who is not a troll (winkie-winkie)  must shop at "asses are us" to get a new one after getting it chewed to shreds here on a daily basis.  Does he know that under ObamaCare his wait for a new ass could be 4 months? 

215 ps i'd have some respect for you if you were not such a dishonest poseur, are you a law student at harvard or not ? i'm calling bullshit. you don't know basic facts, you are not as well informed or as knowledgable as you seem to think, your arguments are not logically consistent (or logical at all really). i also don't appreciate that you  asked the women on this site for pictures of their breasts.

216 @Palin Steele

http://tiny.cc/h43Gq

It's all about how ole Pat Buchanan cheerfully went on a Neo-Nazi radio talk show to push his abortion of a book. I guess Pat knows his audience. Which would seem to include you.

So, PS, which one are you? Straight up Nazi or do you just like to dabble in anti-semitism and holocaust denial. Either way, you're a pathetic creature, just like your mentor Buchanan

217 Whew, banned in 2 minutes flat.

Posted by: Dash Rendar at June 21, 2009 01:46 PM (aVQo/)

Details please; ripping the ponytailed ukulele douchetool who had a brief spell of lucid thought processes never gets old.

218 206, Dash Rendar at June 21, 2009 01:46 PM (aVQo/)

The bike/guitarist and his wife perez hilton must be on the outs today because they can't have kids to celebrate Fathers Day, but I'll bet there was some powerful vacuum going on in the bedroom last night.

219

zippy,

1) Refuse to negotiate with Iran. Period.

2) Openly and without any reservation stand with the protesters.

3) Impose new and painful sanctions on Iran.

4) Urge Congress to to pass a "Regime Change in Iran" law.

 

 

Good, you answered..

 

I like your idea, I think it is really sick to watch those pigs murder innocents in their streets for the innocent act of dissagreeing with the sham election..

 

The one thing I don't like about your idea is that it would bring a WAR of preemtive strike to Iran by America and I'm not so sure that is a good thing..

220 "are you a law student at harvard or not ? i'm calling bullshit. you don't know basic facts, you are not as well informed or as knowledgable as you seem to think, your arguments are not logically consistent (or logical at all really)."

Points in favor of an H law student.

221 The Lord of the Flyswatters is havin' himself a bad day, polling. Gone negative, you might say.

commentarymagazine.com/blogs/index.php/gordon/70821

222

Tat's current summary of 19-20th timeline;sorry for length:

The most recent news will be posted at the top, and then moved to the headline as events on the ground happen.

From the 19th to the 20th of June. post-Khameini speech.

If anyone doubted this is a Revolution and that this was bigger than the election, there is no such doubt anymore. Here are the major events that happened between the end of Khameini's speech and midnight on Saturday.

- Before the protest even began, heavily armed men were waiting for the dissidents, planning to prevent them from reaching the rally point. It didn't take long for the peaceful protests to turn into full-fledged riots. Security forces had also closed off the Tehran university to prevent students from leaving to protest or entering to take shelter. Basij, some security forces and what is suspected to be members of the Revolutionary Guard assaulted the protesters. The protesters fought back while chanting "Death to Khameini" and "Down with Khameini". The security forces used water cannons and tear gas to try and disperse the protesters. While the tear gas was partly successful, the water cannons were mostly useless, as they were quickly over ran by the protesters.

- A lot of eyewitnesses report that the Basij now fighting appear to be barely older than teenagers, most of them between 16 and 20, taking a real pleasure in the violence. Others report that up to hundreds of both security forces and Basij were injured in the last series of clashes. The Basij forces are using pvc tubes filled with concretes, bats, even knives and are assaulting people everywhere, down to metro stations.

- A bomb exploded at the Khomeini Shrine, killing one and injuring at least two. Most believe that the government is in fact behind it. Khameini was a major figure of the previous Revolution, and they used a similar tactics then, destroying buildings and blaming it on the Shah in order to turn the population against him. The State television is of course blaming Mousavi for it and calling for a harsher treatment of the protesters. This is also very convenient for the Regime, has Mousavi said he would take refuge there if he feared for his safety, but now all access is blocked.

- In return, the harsher the treatment of protesters by the security forces, the harsher the rhetoric and reaction of the protesters. They are calling for the death of the regime, the death of Khomeini, the death of their oppressors and that they will avenge them. Once the gun shots started, the protesters went wild, beating down security forces and basij forces they caught to a pulp, while the Basij and security forces are showing absolutely no restraint, even less than they previously had.

- There are many reports that the security forces and Basij still ever present in hospitals and clinics. Basij are kidnapping some of those injured, while the security forces is identifying those participating in the protest. In order to arrest protesters, security forces raided the Khomeini Hospital in order to arrest injured protesters. There are rumours that Basij forces have hijacked ambulances and use them as a trap to brutally assault already injured protesters seeking help, or shoot at them. Iranian journalists, Reformist intellectuals and feminists are still being arrested and rounded up to prevent from reporting the news or reaching out.

- As the protests grew, extreme measures started to used by those trying to repress the Iranians asking for freedom. Gun shots were first fired in the air, but it did not take long for them to be fired at the protesters. A liquid was dropped from helicopters, creating severe skin burns on protesters. We are unsure what the liquid was. They are also openly opening fire on the crows, 40 to 60 people at least were killed in a single day, and scores more injured according to protesters. There are also reports that Revolutionary Guard Helicopters dropped firearms crates to 500 Basij fighters, as they are more willing than government forces to use them on civilians.

- The protesters are fighting back, taking over anti-riot trucks and burning them, attacking Basij bases and burning another one to the ground. There are report that a security forces truck was actually blown up by the protesters. In many instances, government forces have been force to fled under the constant assault of the people. Another report mentioned a security forces post was burning as well.

- The Iran Fatemiyeh Hospital in Tehran has confirmed at least 40 dead as well as 200 injured. Other sources report that hundreds of security forces and hundreds of basij fighters were injured as well.

- At night the protesters joined each others on the roofs in Tehran, shouting "Allah-u Ackbar", "Margh Bar Khameini" and chanting "I will welcome death, I will welcome death, but no subjugation, but no subjugation". None of the rhetoric is addressed to Ahmadinejad anymore, all of it is directed to Khameini and the regime. Many of the popular chants throughout the day were "I will kill those who killed my brother/sister", "Death to the Government", "Death to Khomeini" and "Seyed Ali Pinoshe, Iran won't be Chili".

- China has been censoring all news coming from Iran. Obama's restraint has been useless, as the Iranian government has shown a video of him with a false translation where Obama declared his support for the protesters, and that they should keep on protesting.

- Mousavi gave a speech and declared that if he is arrested, then the whole nation should strike. He also told the people that he is ready for martyrdom.

- There are unconfirmed reports that the Army is now refusing to follow orders and will not attack the protesters. The newest strategy from the government seems to be arming the Basij, dressing them in riot gear, team them up with IRG soldiers, and try to prevent massive rallies and keep them localized instead, as they are easier to stop spreading.

223 i also don't appreciate that you  asked the women on this site for pictures of their breasts.

Posted by: joan at June 21, 2009 01:50 PM (mlFoM)

Hey Hey Hey... Let's not go overboard here....

224

The sneering you see towards Obama here is because most of us don't think he believes any of that.

 

 

You know, that is a really scary prospect.. I hope you're wrong.. As for articulating our values to the world I am all for it, I would prefer to not have to invade another nation to acheive that, but I will admit that I think Obama should have come on stronger with those pig mullahs... Also, I DON"T want my president meeting with those scumbags...

225 Another historic first for me today!

The First Black President To Drink a Bellini Cocktail At A Father's Day Brunch!

As I said, Bellini cocktails are scrumptious! I had three altogether!

After all, it's a lazy Sunday afternoon with nothing going on. I think I'll take a nap.

That thirty mile trip to get ice cream yesterday really tired me out. That's thirty miles both ways!

Where's Air Force One when you need it? Ha-ha.

Back later after a nice long nap for this little feller!

226 zippy,

Now, do you think Obama has shown any sign of wanting to do any of these things?

If he has not, do you think he should?

Is Obama doing the right thing or not?

227 Arandomperson, have been monitoring the twitter feed and someone said something about basijj from venezuela.  What up with that?

228 What is so difficult about that question.What should Obama do about the Iran situation? 



Send in the spooks, airdrop weapons and aid to the revolutionaries. If anything this is a great time for some payback for their Quds meddling in Iraq and killing our soldiers.

229 Same AP here who applauded when OBama cut missile defense and offered the deal to sell out Eastern European missile defense tot eh Russians as "smart power" and attacked Bush et al for pushing missile defense has this to say about Hawaii and North Korea.  Funny but i dont think the AP will issue any corrections for its earlier demagoging of missile defense programs.

Planned N. Korea launch unnerves Hawaii residents
Jun 21, 10:07 AM (ET)

By MARK NIESSE

HONOLULU (AP) - Comforted by the U.S. military's missile defense systems, Hawaii residents doubt a North Korean missile would light up the clear island sky like fireworks on the Fourth of July.

But that doesn't mean the islands' laid-back beach-goers aren't worried that a long-range missile could be launched in the direction of Hawaii's emerald mountains and white sand beaches around Independence Day.

"The North Koreans are unbalanced and could try anything," said Dan Gleason while walking his Jack Russell mix dog in downtown Honolulu. "If they do hit Honolulu, I hope it's a good shot, because I don't want to go through the aftermath."

Japanese media have reported the North Koreans appear to be preparing for a long-range test near July 4. Defense Secretary Robert Gates has ordered additional protections for Hawaii in case a missile is launched over the Pacific Ocean.

230

You trolls are harshin' my "Steak and Blowjob Day".

I just wish I could get away with eating the steak, while getting a blowjob.

Where's the Dad day thread anyway?

231 Well, zippy, Obama took the car out for a joyride, wrapped it around a tree and then you ask, "So what should he do?"

He's already screwed it up, everything now is just covering for his mess.

I have some ideas, but I wrote them on other threads, days ago, when Obama was fiddling.

If you want to know what I would do, then make me President. 

Obama is not some poor retarded kid we have to pat on the head no matter what he does.  He wants to play the game, he has to learn how to hit the curveball.

232

Haw haw, SEE? You can't even asnswer the question

That is the answer, fuckwit. Immediate condemnation of the Iranian regime and full-throated support for the cause of liberty is what we wanted Obama to do. We wanted a psychological show of force. A half-hearted mealy-mouthed wait-and-see attitude followed by gradually increasing, yet still tepid, support for the cause of liberty doesn't send the right message.

There, now I've kicked your ass too. Begone.

233

zippy,

Now, do you think Obama has shown any sign of wanting to do any of these things?

If he has not, do you think he should?

Is Obama doing the right thing or not?

 

I think Obama has decided to be much too ginger with the Iran situation and I would like to see him come out and be stronger on our feelings about murdering innocent souls in the streets of their nation... I am dissapionted with obama and his response to Iran.. I just hope he comes out and denounces this and calls it what it is...MURDER..This is murder, and Obama should say so...

234

There, now I've kicked your ass too. Begone.

 

Oh stop it!! I wasn't questioning your man-hood, I was looking for specifics..

235 Palin Steele, you make a great point.. It is fine to point out LEGIT differences in policy with our goverment but when you go into overdrive on bashing it does tend to chip away at your credabilty of being a serious voice on the right..



One little thing. When he does something right, I'll give him credit, so far he hasn't. He's been on the wrong side of every issue.You guys rush to his defense on anything critical, but never criticize anything he does.

But we're the rabid partisans.

236 zippy,

Are you kidding me odumbass is too busy killing America, murder means nothing to him in a place far away!

237 I just hope he comes out and denounces this

How's all that hope workin' out for ya?

Seriously, why do so many people say what they hope Obama will do?  Don't you know who he is by now?  I do.

238 Stop with the false sympathy advice to conservatives...

What advice, Baron?

You guys seem perfectly happy flinging poo from the peanut gallery.

Giving up on winning national elections is wonderfully liberating, eh?

239 poon, are you a Pat-sy too?

240 238, poon at June 21, 2009 02:03 PM (i31Zq)

When we get through with your salty snatch donks will never hold higher office again, look forward to it!

241 "good thing Im not in the democratic party."

Again, my dear idiot, you said in you're very first post here "I'm a liberal."

You really should spend some more time at Hot Air. You have more leeway for this stuff; here, if you pull this, you're just going to get kicked around--deservedly.

242

I hope he goes to a Fro-Yo shoppe next!

See, I spelled "shoppe" like that cause it makes it cooler than a store or just a plain shop.  Obama is so cool.

I would love to visit Bizarro World and watch the press handle everything Obama has done to this point, but this time as a white republican (RINO).  Surely, it would be exactly the same??

243 It is so difficult to figure out what is the truth and what is not on these twitter feeds.

244 "Keep in mind that the muslims in that area haven't been infested by the wahabi filth from Saudi Arabia and remain relatively western oriented in their outlook.  They were outraged by 9/11 and everything Ledeen has reported from Bosnia, Kosovo and Albania indicates a muslim entity that would be very easy to coexist with."

Your right.  Michael Totten has written extensively about this:  http://tinyurl.com/nmvl9g.

245 "good thing Im not in the democratic party."

Again, my dear idiot, you said in you're very first post here "I'm a liberal."

You really should spend some more time at Hot Air. You have more leeway for this stuff there; here, if you pull this, you're just going to get kicked around--deservedly.

246 I think Obama has decided to be much too ginger with the Iran situation and I would like to see him come out and be stronger on our feelings about murdering innocent souls in the streets of their nation... I am dissapionted with obama and his response to Iran.. I just hope he comes out and denounces this and calls it what it is...MURDER..This is murder, and Obama should say so...

Posted by: zippy

"I would like"....."I am disappointed"....."I just hope"...

Whom do you sound like? C'mon, speak up. Show some emotion.

247
I'm gonna be out town on the 4th so if anything happens Sheriff Joe can handle it.

248

Posted by: poon at June 21, 2009 02:03 PM (i31Zq)

You, unlike some of our better trolls, are the poo-flinger.  You have said nothing of substance, and that is an indication of someone so stupid they don't even fucking suspect.  Bugger off, fucknozzle.

249 Giving up on winning national elections is wonderfully liberating, eh?




Ebb and flow, ebb and flow. We've been here before. It's 1979 again and we have Jimmy Carter II in The Whitehouse. Thanks to this inept dunce of a president and the most corrupt ethical Congress in history , 2012 will probably be 1980 and 1994 all wrapped up in one.

 President Unicorn Farts approval rating has dropped 34 points in five months, the biggest slide in the shortest time ever. Now his National Healthcare package is on the ropes and probably won't see the light of day.

So laugh it up, we'll be your huckleberries.

250 Palin showing more leadership on Iran than Preznit Obizzle McStalinacorn. Via her Twitter:

"Women worldwide watching Iran protests led by women demanding fair election & equality; their voices loud, strong; they will usher in change"

"W/deadly Iranian protests let us be thankful for, & supportive of, U.S. Military defending OUR democracy & freedom. God protect the innocent"



Governor Sarah Palin needs your help!
Take part in the web-a-thon to retire Governor Palin's legal debt incurred by frivolous, politically motivated ethics complaints filed against her.  Go to conservatives4palin.com to find out more.

251 See, I spelled "shoppe" like that cause it makes it cooler than a store or just a plain shop

that's just getting medieval on that fro yo homes.

252 Ebb and flow, ebb and flow. We've been here before.

I agree.

Before Newt conned America into giving him and his merry band of hypocrites power, the Democrats controlled Congress for 40+ straight years.

253
Kudos to poon for recycling the old chickenhawk argument. Not that it ever worked before either but it's always a pleasant distraction shooting it down.

Recycling is good. In 2010 we Republicans are going to recycle an argument that did work, though. Remember when Clinton used "It's the economy stupid" to get elected?

254 So there has been more than one independent report that some place "counted more than 100% of the registered voters".

255

>>First, I'm not a troll. But I assume you were addressing me since anyone who doesnt tow the line that obama is the antichrist is labeled a troll here<<

I lurk here quite often, and I have noticed quite often how you hijack every thread so that it becomes all about you.  You are worse than a troll.  You are an attention whore and you ruin these threads with your endless "look at me" bs.  You are constantly explaining your juvenile positions on issues, do you really think anyone cares?  This is a good blog and very informative, too.  All you do is bring it down. Shame on you. 

256
Posted by: poon at June 21, 2009 02:03 PM (i31Zq)

One thing I've notice is the inability/lame attempt of the trolls to defend any of President Custer foreign or domestic programs.
Without blaming Bush.

257 Recycling is good. In 2010 we Republicans are going to recycle an argument that did work, though. Remember when Clinton used "It's the economy stupid" to get elected?


One other ironic thing I forgot to mention to poon. The last time a party was trying to push a  ruinous national healthcare bill down our throats, they didn't stay in power long after that.

2010 is gonna be vetty, vetty interesting.

258 28
"Maybe when all of this over, Obama will take him out for ice cream."
I'm wondering where is he going to hide if the North Koreans follow through and fire a missile this 4th of July toward Hawaii.
Maybe he'll do pizza that day and some golf.

Posted by: YIKES! at June 21, 2009 12:05 PM (1tvww)

Especially since said nuke would get rid of that troublesome vault birth certificate once and for all!

259

I remember seeing an on the street interview of an older Iranian women a couple of years ago. She said that she wished America would do in Iran what we had done in Iraq. I remember thinking how unbelievably brave she was to say such a thing, and to show her face to the world while doing it. I wonder where she is today.

Here in America I'd dare to say that today more than half our adult population couldn't tell you diddly-squat about what is happening around the world:

North Korea missile threat: nyet!

Iranian revolution: nyet!

Government healthcare: nyet!

In a country where most people do not know the name of their U.S. much less State Senator....where citizens only become energized to vote once every four years, and even then for only the most superficial of reasons...where many demand a Saturday vote so as not to incovenience them with the burden of casting their vote on a Tuesday...we should stand in awe of a people who would risk their lives to cast a vote. And, again risk their lives to protest the outcome. And, again risk their lives to stand in defiance of a tyrant. And, again risk their lives to tell the world what is happening to them.

When a vote means so much that people would give their lives for the honor of casting it, those of us who possess such freedom should be on bended knees giving thanks for all that we enjoy.

I would call 'Shame!' to all those who fail to honor and appreciate their freedoms except that, the truth is, many of them are without shame at all.

As the world turns....

260 Kudos to poon for recycling the old chickenhawk argument. Not that it ever worked before either but it's always a pleasant distraction shooting it down.

yeh i loves me that chicken hawk argument, the logical conclusion of that one is only combat veterans should be able to vote. if that were the case we'd never have any democrats elected.

261 #36....They aren't safe if the proxy is in America. ACORN goons will capture and waterboard the proxy until the twitterer is coughed up...then Ineedadinnerjacket gets the phone call from Leon Panetta spilling the pistachio nuts (as it were).

Then the proxy gets renditioned to Gitmo.

262

Since poon has absolutely no moral compass, anyone else can be called a hypocrite for their soiled human nature.

Very convenient. Now go get me a fuckin' juicebox!

263

It is fine to point out LEGIT differences in policy with our goverment but when you go into overdrive on bashing it does tend to chip away at your credabilty of being a serious voice on the right..

Posted by: zippy at June 21, 2009 01:46 PM (QPDn7)

So we shouldn't use tactics successfully employed by the left?

Thanks for the advice.

Oh -- and buy yourself a spellchecker, pinhead. It's free on Firefox, BTW.

264 Looks like PalinSteele was right about the whole Capitan America thing -- whoda thunk?

http://tinyurl.com/mhx8cv

Actually, I don't know if I should laugh or cry about this vid ...

265 Happy Fathers Day to you guys, and especially to those Fathers holding the line in Iraq and Afghanistan, two of our Bravest were killed in Afghanistan today, prayers to their Families.

266 Jeez. Tough to wade through the trolltard  comments today. The more Present-dent Custard Hussein Candy-Ass screws the pooch, the more of the little mealy-mouth troll bastards come here to sing his praises.

What's the matter palen stale and goon? Why you hanging around here with us hateful hating haters? Warcraft server crash today?

You know we just gonna be hatin' on the black man and trine tu keep him down. Ya dig?

267 Before Newt conned America into giving him and his merry band of hypocrites power, the Democrats controlled Congress for 40+ straight years.

#252 poon




So now were back to having a democratic control house possible filibuster proof senate and the white house.
So why aren't you defending the policies?
It's not like your being ask to charge a barricade.

268 Kudos to poon for recycling the old chickenhawk argument.

If it ain't broke...

Seriously,do you guys really believe you're helping out the Iranian reformists somehow with all your faux sympathy?

If so, how?

269 I made this comment on a thread yesterday but I was pretty late to the party and comments went down shorty thereafter so I'm going to repeat it here.

I find it laugh-out-loud hilarious that every time Mr. Obama, really, really fucks up, the trolls come here en masse. It is as though the more obvious it is that he is unqualified for the job, the more they are compelled to defend their mistaken choice. In fact, the more egregious Mr. Obama's shortcomings appear, the more vociferous the trolls become on conservative blogs.

From a psychological/sociological perspective, I find the phenomenon fascinating.

270

224 zippy at June 21, 2009 01:55 PM (QPDn7)

You know, that is a really scary prospect.. I hope you're wrong..

I hope I'm wrong too. But I don't think I am.

271 conservatives...treat Israel like the 51 state of the US for some reason.

Posted by: palin steele (the only non-partisan on AoSHQ) at June 21, 2009 12:34 PM (VDj74)

Ah, yes. Anti-semitism is perfectly OK as long as you call it anti-Zionism.

Next you're probably gonna feed us the old "But I have lots of Jewish friends!"

Attention Jew-haters: Go away.
Makes me feel dirty to even be on the same thread with people like you.

272 Hey Mr. President,

The "Arc of the Universe" may be long, but the arc of my Taepodong-2 is longer... hahahaha.... happy 4th of july!

273 Seriously,do you guys really believe you're helping out the Iranian reformists somehow with all your faux sympathy?

If so, how?



Because dumbass, all they want is recognition from America that they're fighting against freedom and want liberty. Sympathy is all we have to give them since your lord and saviour is gonna sit on his hands and deal with the very same regime that's killing their own people.

Why? Because he believes in those very same tactics, he's a tyrant himself.

Now go fetch me a frozen custard.

274 You'd think they'd just go enjoy their executive, judicial, and legislative majorities, wouldn't you?
They can't defend TEH ONE, but they can throw invective at those whom they hate.  Makes 'em feel better even though they think we are right.

275 Shouldn't you be in Afghanistan by now, poon? Excuse me... "off-gawn-ee-stawn".

276

If it ain't broke...

Seriously,do you guys really believe you're helping out the Iranian reformists somehow with all your faux sympathy?

So poon, when are you signing up to go fight in Afghanistan? 

277 I've only been brave when I wanted to destroy myself, when I had a rifle, or a uniform.

These anonymous individuals with no names and no faces aren't just brave, they are effing superheroes.

278 Because dumbass, all they want is recognition from America that they're fighting against for freedom and want liberty.



FIFme

279 Seriously,do you guys really believe you're helping out the Iranian reformists somehow with all your faux sympathy?

So if comes from a conservative it's fake.
But you are sympathetic to their cause right?
So let's here your plan.

280 So poon, when are you signing up to go fight in Afghanistan?



As soon as he can get in touch with the Taliban.

281
Attention Jew-haters: Go away.
Makes me feel dirty to even be on the same thread with people like you.

Posted by: Kathy from Kansas at June 21, 2009 02:40 PM (nYVug)

Besides, everyone knows Iwon Feckless the 1st has declared there are 57 states.

282 In 2010 we Republicans are going to recycle an argument that did work, though. Remember when Clinton used "It's the economy stupid" to get elected?

I'm partial to Are you better off than you were four years ago?

283

To my wonderful father who led the way in the Pacific Theater as a pilot during WWII and returned to create a wonderful life for his family.  We loved him dearly and think of him frequently, but especially on Fathers Day.  He stayed with us for 92 years, and truly gave more than he received.  A conservative throughout his life who not only lived the life, but taught his children the values of conservatism.  We miss you dad.  

Love, Fish

284

I just checked the NOW site. Not. A. Fucking. Word.

They are still mourning Tiller and planning some lesbo-fest in Indy....I've never been to their site before, but all I saw was abortion shit, and equal pay harping.....I wonder if they CARE who Neda was?. 

285 I'm partial to Are you better off than you were four years ago?

Are you poor saps really counting on the American economy still being down 3 and 1/2 years from now?

Really?

286 Someone must really want to stir the pot.

287 Really?

It's possible that Republicans take enough seats to limit the damage but I expects it's a lock. 

Its the numbers.  You just can't run up unprecedented debt, one out of every 2 federal dollars being borrowed money, while fucking with the enterpenurial class and expect anything but stagflation.

Frankly, if we get away with just Carter II levels of despair, I'd say God is looking out for us.

288 Oops. I forgot there's an election in 2010.

Silly me!

289

277 Douglas at June 21, 2009 02:44 PM (uU+Ss)

These anonymous individuals with no names and no faces aren't just brave, they are effing superheroes.

Whoa, whoa, whoa! Font of Moral Authority here. Let's not get all crazy with that kind of talk.

290 Are you poor saps really counting on the American economy still being down 3 and 1/2 years from now?

Really?



Count on it. The economy may have a temporary upswing early next year, but massive inflation and heavy taxation will nullify it.

291 eriously,do you guys really believe you're helping out the Iranian reformists somehow with all your faux sympathy?

To begin with, my sympathy is not insincere. It is incredibly arrogant of you to assume it to be so. Beyond my sincere prayers for these people and a statement of support and empathy for these people what would you have me do? I've followed the advice of those more technologically savvy than I and changed my social network accounts in attempt to thwart the suppression of information flow. Was it of any practical assistance? Eh ... I doubt it but if there was even a chance it would help it was worth a try. How about those that published instructions on setting up proxies? opened up their servers to provide Iranians with access to world? Is their sympathy "faux"?

It is an internal matter for the Iranian people and the ultimate outcome of their election process needs to be resolved internally. However, America stands for something and has a long and proud history of denouncing tyranny and offering moral support to those who choose to fight for self-determination. I don't think it's asking too much that the president make it clear that this country supports basic human rights. Among them the right to peacefully protest without being shot or beaten in the street.

Mostly, I find it sad that Mr. Obama is so lacking in any kind of moral compass that it took the pressure of obvious public opinion to get him to make even weak-tea statement of support.

292 Are you poor saps really counting on the American economy still being down 3 and 1/2 years from now?

Really?
Posted by: poon at June 21, 2009 02:53 PM (i31Zq)

Obviously the concept of history and time is an alien concept to you.

293 Zippy

Do you really want to know why most of us are PO'd at President Obama?  His first reaction is to straddle the fence.  He cannot identify evil, unless its an American conservative.  When Russia went into Georgia last year, he asked both sides to show tolerance, as was his first reaction to the events in Iran.  He sees all governments, even dictatorships, as instruments of good.  This really should not have been hard.  John McCain, for all his flaws as a politician, knew immediately to condemn Russia for their actions in Georgia.  But, if your agenda is apologizing to the dictators of the Middle East for the past behavior of America's foreign policy, you'd have a hard time identifying evil yourself. 

Here's the irony in all of this - we have been told over and over again that by solving the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, peace can be brought to the Middle east, when, in reality, the truth is sitting on a nice big silver platter right now.  Bring down the number one sponsor of terror, i.e., the mullahs in Iran, and there's no more support for Hamas and Hezbollah, and suddenly, the raining of rockets on Israel is much harder to keep afloat. 

If the governments of Europe can see this so clearly, (most notably Sarkozy), it is a sad day that the leader of the free world cannot reflexively come out on the side of liberty.

294 Zippy, you only put 12 worms and some dirt in the cup. And put some holes in the lid. Now recount all these cups, and stay the fuck away from my computer!

295 "Are you poor saps really counting on the American economy still being down 3 and 1/2 years from now?

Really?"

No one is COUNTING on any such thing.  Causing hyperinflation by simply printing money to cover the cost of Obama's agenda pretty much guarantees the economy being in the shitter for a time longer than most recession's usually last.

296 I have no idea why my name is poon... because I LOVE the cock.

297
COCK!

298 I have no time for troll hunting today so I'll try to make as many pimply hippy-heads explode as possible with this one post.

Accept that we are going to go to war with Iran, China, North Korea, a coalition of South-Central American Countries and Russia at various points in time in the future. The fucking Star Fleet Federation Debating Society is not going to get the job done. The UN is dead and starting to smell so bad even liberals know it's useless.

Here is what Present-dent Candy-Ass should do:
Send more carrier battle groups into the Gulf.
Mass armor, troops and support on the border of Iran/Iraq.
Declare a humanitarian crisis / disaster like in Kosovo / Darfur / Somalia.
Warn NATO to keep it's mouth shut.
Announce that the United States is not going to let the Iranian people be butchered in the streets.
Give a 24hr deadline for the announcement of new peaceful elections.
Send the weasels in to zap the AAA and SAMS.
Send the B-2's and 117's in to strike every single palace, bunker, barracks, command and control and regime leadership target in Iran.
Tell BB Netanyahu to send in the fighter-bombers to destroy every suspected nuclear, biological, and chemical facility in Iran.
Bomb and raze every suspected Hamas, Hez, and every other gawddamn terrorist training facility.
Systematically sink every single Iranian naval vessel on the water with a length of over 6ft.
Blockade all imports of gasoline, arms, and military supplies by sea and air.
Declare a no-fly zone over Iran.
Use local assets on the ground to systematically aid in the location, arrest, and trial of the mullahs for crimes against the people of Iran.
Eliminate any organized resistance from the air.
Let the people of Iran choose a new government.
Let the Iranians deal with any insurgency.
Deal with the later political problems like a big boy.

And for dessert:
Have Code Pink, Michael Moore, Pinch, Garafalo and Sean Penn tried for treason live on Pay-Per-View and shot.

And Pat Buchanan is a fucking lunatic anti-Semite.

See yall later. I gotta go hippy hunting for Father's Day. My wife bought me a license.

It's best to hunt hippies on Father's Day because the poor things are so confused today. Like fish in a barrel.

299 Poon, you fucking asshole! The weedeater don't work without the string. Now put some line on it and get back to work....And the next time I see you near my computer, I'm gonna stick the hedge trimmers up your ass. But then, you'd probably like that. You fucking loser. 

300 Screw all of you!!!! Just because I gave Obama ass-to-mouth last night doesn't mean you can disrespect me.  F U

301 Annette Benning said the Iranian women had more rights than any women anywhere.

Hollywood is just so smart and I hope they take another trip back to Iran and meet with all of those great mullahs.

302 Hollywood is the TRUE fantacyland!

303 Are you poor saps really counting on the American economy still being down 3 and 1/2 years from now?

Really?


Not counting on it.. but more of a realist in terms of economy.  Dumping currency into the economy will do nothing but cause hyper inflation. 

Look up Wienmar Germany if you want to understand. 

(insuring that Zippy won't look it up and still be willfully ignorant of how the real world works) 

304 Obviously the concept of history and time is an alien concept to you.

Also arithmetic and logic.

The recruiters will be open bright and early tomorrow morning, poon. Send us a card when you get to Offgawneeeeeestawwwwwwwn, eh?

305 Because you Republicans are wasting all your time trying to score small, cheap, meaningless political "victories" ...instead of rebuilding their trust with America.

First, you have a very short memory hypocrite- look back over the last 8 years and the deranged hooting your lot did.

Second, we don't have to rebuild trust all that much, given how hideously you donks are doing in the executive and legislative branches vis a vis "trust". Rasmussen shows people now trust republicans more than dumbocrats to handle the economy, and that's before the non-stimulus effect, the health care debacle, the cap and trade swindle, and hyper-inflation thanks to barky's dumping trillions in fake money into the economy.

"I expect whoever the poor fool is you guys prop up to face Obama in 2012 will fare worse than Dole did against Clinton."

You're welcome to that opinion. But you're wrong. I will laugh my ass off at all you smelly hippies the day a Republican gets sworn in in a little less than 4 years from now.

"Are you poor saps really counting on the American economy still being down 3 and 1/2 years from now?"

Uh, no- we aren't "counting" on it, because that would pre-suppose we want people to be suffering in order to seize power. That's what you dickholes on the left do, as evidenced by your uh, "support" of the troops in Iraq among other things.

Poon, you suck shit. But since you insist on hanging about- tell me, please what you think the proper behavior of barky should have been/should be vis a vis Iran this past week and in the near future.

306 Zippy said: The one thing I don't like about your idea is that it would bring a WAR of preemtive strike to Iran by America and I'm not so sure that is a good thing..

Zippy, please see post 228 - maybe we haven't been at war with Iran, but they sure as hell have been at war with us.

307 @231 Amish Dude- He wants to play the game, he has to learn how to hit the curveball.

Shoot, at this point I'd be happy if that jugeared turnip could hit the feckin' teeball now and again.

Hope. Change. Sprinkles?

308 Hussein has dropped three more sanctions against Iran.

Hussein is getting ready to deal with hamas.

So soon we will have our own MULLAH.

And all you Israel haters should be over the moon......hussein's orders no more settlements, but I will stay out of any dictator's way, I just like inserting myself in a democratic country.

309

This is why we can't lose the 2d amendment:  Notice the Iranian civilians were unarmed.  If the Iranian people were allowed to own weapons, I'll bet this would have never gone as far as it did.

310 Do you really want to know why most of us are PO'd at President Obama?  His first reaction is to straddle the fence.

Just like he did with Georgia.  We should have seen it coming.

311 "Just like he did with Georgia.  We should have seen it coming."

48% of us did.

312 The patriotic thing to do to complement the strategy of POTUS Obama is to criticise him vigorously. If, we all sit here and say that Obama shouldn’t meddle, anything little that even vaguely approaches meddling will be denounced by the Mullahs as meddling, so we have to back up Obama stand of “hands off” by making it look credible that he is vigorously “doing nothing” by calling him an idiot for not doing more .. often.
It also gives us cred if the protesters should prevail.

“What an idiot” … and it’s the patriotic thing to do.

313 what you think the proper behavior of barky should have been/should be vis a vis Iran this past week and in the near future.

Why, he should call them a terrorist nation and threaten to bomb them every single day, of course.

314 Signing off for the day. Later morons.

Posted by: palin steele (the only non-partisan on AoSHQ) at June 21, 2009 01:43 PM (VDj74)

Obama and Axelrod are taking us out for ice cream! Weeeee!!! I get to sit up front too!

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Posted by: anal steele, not a troll at June 21, 2009 05:45 PM

Can you bring some tutti-frutti back for poon?

316 zippy, thank you for your support of my peace loving regime. I will send 2 gift certificates for goat milk ice cream.

We have shown the enemies of Iran burning in our streets the pictures of Obama eating ice cream to prove to them that Obama does not care what happens to them.

Your posts have been copied and translated into Farsi to prove that Americans do not support the protesters. Allah Sheedy!

317 This got buried on another thread, so I'm going to state it here for anyone who had some doubts about what's going on.

I learned Farsi at the Defense Language Institute at the Monterey Presidio (though I'm so out of practice that I can only hold a basic conversation now) back in '95. After spending a year learning not only the language but the culture, religions (yes, Iran has at the very least 6), and politics, I predicted to my family and friends that Iran would see another violent revolution within the next 20 years. Seems I was only off by a little more than five.

This has been brewing underneath the surface for at least a couple of decades: the election was something of an excuse for the people to finally get their Persian blood boiling (they're a very temperamental people) and to finally tell their oppressive government what they really think.

The fact of the matter is that a truly democratic Iran WILL drop Hezbollah and Hamas like a hot potato. Iranians are hot-blooded, but they're terrible at fanaticism. Traditionally, they've held a live-and-let-live philosophy that almost borders on hedonism: they're far more interested in the pursuit of their own happiness than killing Jews. So it was really only a matter of time before they became fed-up with their private pursuits of happiness being cockblocked by a government urging them to go out and help a bunch of Arabs by killing themselves. (whom they hate with a passion, incidentally.  The average Iranian is usually ambivalent about Americans, but they despise Arabs and the invasion by Iraq didn't help matters at all)

Right now, firm support of the tear-down-this-wall variety is what Iranians need most.  It's true that a lot of them are secretly wishing the U.S. would get involved, but at the same time, they want to earn their freedom themselves.  So what they need is for world leaders to stand up and quite firmly denounce Iran's  tyrannical government.  What we can do is help them fight the info war.  That's the most I'm, ah, permitted to do.

318 Happy Fathers Day to you guys, and especially to those Fathers holding the line in Iraq and Afghanistan, two of our Bravest were killed in Afghanistan today, prayers to their Families.

Posted by: 'Nam Grunt at June 21, 2009 02:31 PM (mzjsI)

I'm a father, and for that part of your message thank you.  For the other part, here I am with my fuckin' shinebox, not fit to touch those boots..... May God protect them.

319 Why, he should call them a terrorist nation and threaten to bomb them every single day, of course.

Layers.

320 Answer for Zippy:

"As the  leader of a free and decent people, I want to join the world community* in stating that the Iranian people --whether they live in Tehran, London or Los Angeles -- have the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. And in support of that set of rights I must condemn the violence perpetrated against the Iranian people by the government for which they are showing their disdain. I stand before you as the leader of people who have always supported individual rights and freedoms and have carried the light of liberty with us wherever we have gone. It is my hope that the Iranian people will pull back the curtains that have for too long shielded them from this light so that we may welcome them into the community of nations as an equal partner."

Something along those lines might not be a bad start.

*The world community is bull shit that I know the TOTUS would want to say.

321 /sockpuppet

322 Why, he should call them a terrorist nation and threaten to bomb them every single day, of course.

Posted by: poon at June 21, 2009 05:43 PM (i31Zq)

The benefit of being sarcastic is I don't actually have to answer the question!  Sure, nobody on the right actually insists that we threaten to bomb them every single day, but that's not going to stop me!

323 The disgusting thing isn't how Obama and his administration are standing around with their thumbs up their butts hoping the pro-democracy movement in Iran will go away so they can get back to appeasing the mullahs.  That's disgusting, but it's not the most disgusting thing about this issue.

The disgusting thing is seeing American "liberals" -- in some cases people I've known for years -- slavishly defend Obama's inaction.  They're so invested in him now that they just cannot admit anything he does is less than perfect. 

And yet in their hearts they must know they're lying.  Otherwise they wouldn't be so vociferous and shrill.  These trolls that show up here are repeating their lies because they know they're lying.  If they can get everyone to repeat the same lies, they won't have to feel guilty about it.

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Presidente Chimp is a dead man.  He's going to have a tough time answering the question are you better off after the 2008 election?   The market is down 33%, the dollar is hitting new lows, he has quadrupled the deficit in six months spending more than all other presidents combined.

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Add to this his lovely wife Lt Worf, champion of the cage fighters and you know you have a landmark president of Kenya.

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