1 Fixed blog!

Gabe, I agree, it sounds too pat.  Which is too bad because the point is sound.  Obama worked so hard to "work with" the current regime that if it changes, he'll be on the outs, having insulted the new regime.

2

Another way to look at it is that maybe, Mr Mousavi is smart enough to catch a cup of clue and figure out that this revolution aint all about him and he better get with the program.

After all, folk fed up enough to risk death by marching in the streets against the current thugocracy may do him the Mussolini and the Lamp Post if he pisses em off?

3 If this letter is real then I'll give up my left testicle.  Way too 'English' and sticks to each and every talking point coming from the right at this time.  Let's not get snookered in to this.  Could be a left or right wing plant trying to make a new story.

4 The main reason it's believable is that Mousavi has nothing to lose. If he doesn't get out in front of this and make it succeed, he's a dead man.

On the other hand, Mr. Achmenijad and his Islamic imam controllers are also dead men if they lose.

Keep well in mind that Achmenijad believes that he is the Islamic Mahdi. Their messiah. ...and that messiah's aren't supposed to lose...

5 ...then Obama has damaged US-Iran relations for another generation.

This from the clowns who spent their time in power calling Iran a terrorist state and threatening daily to bomb it back to the stone age.

Unintentional humor is always the best kind of humor.

6 Find me one quote where the Bush Administration threatened to bomb Iran.

You guys just make shit up.

7 This letter is crap.  It's too perfect.

8 This letter is obviously a fraud. Michael Leeden just makes stuff up.

9

It appears that Ledeen is back to his old tricks, trying to repeat his success with the Niger yellowcake document forgeries.

Show me a source for Obama saying "Achmadinejad or Mousavi? Two of a kind,” as quoted in this alleged Mousavi letter. 

Obama never said that, and who would want the Iranians to believe that he did?

The truth is that the neocons want this Iranian revolution to fail, because a brutal but successful crackdown by the Kameni/Ahmednejad regime would boost their case for war.

There is a deep and deceptive game being played here, and it's not for the benefit of the U.S. or the Iranian people.

10 ...if it is genuine then Obama has damaged US-Iran relations for another generation.

WTF relations are those, Gabe?  Poon at #5 may be an idiot but the question remains, this time from the right:  What relations does the US have with Iran that would be damaged by BHO's obvious incompetence in this matter?  Further, what relations with Iran are being damaged by BHO's equating its aims with those of Mousavi?

Come on, man. The point to all this is not to promote Mousavi.  It's to decry the Iranian establishment.

11 The truth is that the neocons want this Iranian revolution to fail, because a brutal but successful crackdown by the Kameni/Ahmednejad regime would boost their case for war.

Oh, fuck off.  The truth is that the secprogs (but not all of the left, certainly) want this Iranian revolution to fail because a brutal but successful crackdown by the Kameni/Ahmednejad regime would boost their myopic trust in the American who's shirked his presidential duty to pipe up on such oppression except too late in the game to much matter. 

On issues Obie's far more of a "neocon" than the cartooned neocon's themselves were -- check big banking and ten other decidedly not-exactly-freaking-liberal Obie policies for evidence, genius. 

The right wants it to succeed, moron, because if it does it topples the Iranian establishment w/o an American shot being fired.

12 Ten, our relations with Iran aren't etched in stone for all time. We have little in the way of relations with them now, but when the Mullahs fall that could change. Obama's poisoning that well for us with his mealy-mouthed equivocations.

13 Barack Hussein is a feckless invertebrate. It's no surprise he would equate the 21st century Hitler, Ahmadinejad, with Mousavi. Hussein equates the paleostinian terrorists with the legitimate govt of Israel. All we need to know about this treasonous bootlicker we have for a president is that he has a close relationship with domestic terrorists, Ayers and Dorn, and his spirtual mentor of 20 years is an unabashed America hating anti-semite.

If the press had done its job prior to the election Hussein would be in prison not the White House.

Throw out every democrat in 2010.

Revolution 2010.

14 You know it's sad, but this is probably the way, the likes of Mousavi do think, they don't realize that Bush was the Shiite liberator in Iraq and Afghanistan, that Obama would prefer that stability, the kind we've seen in Egypt that gave us the likes of Atta, and Sheik Rahman, is the natural state. There was an advisor to Tsvangarai, the opposition leader in Zimbabwe who thought the same way as Mahbilaf (sic) confusing the two.

15 Dear readers of the English language, this is not how Mr. Webster intended for our definitions to be used. We apologize for the mistake that bho made.

16 Axelrod must really be nervous to dispatch bed-wetting lunatic trolls like cyrus.

17 It amazes me that so many people in the USA today think that in a situation like what is going on in Iran - freedom only applies to the Palestinians.  I  have heard more condemnation from dems and this administration over settlements on the  west bank as well as Israel bombing terrorits in Gaza than of the events that transpired over the past 7 days in Iran.  Hey bho - if you are going to keep your mouth shut about Iran, then do so  with Israel, I would  hate for you to intervene and impose our values in that country like in Iran. I wonder, will he blame Bush for this also, no becuse to do so he would have to admit that democracy in Iraq and Afghan played a part in this desire for democracy in Iran.  I guess bho does not want to apologize for freedom and  democracy in Iran like he is so apt to apologize for supporting freedom and democracy in every other country. No one is perfect, however I never expected the President of the USA to make mistakes on purpose.

18 #16
Creepy crawlers all over, poon is also over arguing the same crap at patterico. The messiah's incompetence have them in Level 4 Scree.

19

Letter is fake.  Poon is a shit stirrer.  The problem with Iran is it is a theocracy.  Until the Iranians overthrow the current regieme and replace it with a secular type of representitive government, its going to continue to be a problem, no matter who is in charge.  Lets hope this revolution succeeds.  Then Iran has a chance. 

20 The guys over at Powerline have it up as well and seem to believe it's genuine.  I guess only time will tell on this one.

21 And oh, by the way, the trolls are certainly peeing all over themselves on this one.  So sad when your messiah turns out to be so utterly false, isn't it folks?

22 What relations does the US have with Iran that would be damaged by BHO's obvious incompetence in this matter?

If the current regime is pulled down and toppled, I can see the follow-on government and the people of Iran telling us to go fuck off.

That is the relationship to be worried about.

23 Iran and the U.S. have an important relationship.  This relationship is mutually beneficial.  It involves both governments using their opposite number to distract their own population from realizing their piss-poor performace on domestic issues.

24 The truth is that the neocons want this Iranian revolution to fail

Bullshit.  If this succeeds, it vindicates the Neocon argument for going into Iraq as the catalyst for a beneficial reshaping of the middle east

25 @23- Your cyncicism...it burns, Speller- it burns very brightly. Well done.

26

Once again,

Show me a source for Obama saying "Achmadinejad or Mousavi? Two of a kind,” as quoted in this alleged Mousavi letter. 

There is no source for BHO saying this other than Ledeen's letter.  Prove me wrong.

Who would want to imply that BHO said that and why?  Two birds - one stone.  1.  Implies that there is no difference between Ahmedinejad and Mousavi;  2.  Discredits BHO by implying he said such a thing, which he didn't, and puts it out in Farsi through an alleged Iranian source, Mousavi.  Classic black propaganda.

The desired effect of the letter is to weaken the resolve of the Iranian protestors.

The neocons want this revolution to fail, so they have a better case for bombing Iran.  Having Khamenei and Ahmedinejad replaced by Mousavi in a new regime would be a disaster for them.

 

27 The neocons want this revolution to fail, so they have a better case for bombing Iran.

Please provide citation of any neocon advocating bombing as a primary solution for Iran as opposed to an internal regime change as appears to be happening now.

28

cyrus, it doesn't matter what case the "neo-cons" have, the Won is in power, and the Democrats control congress.

Supposedly the "neo-cons' were in power when President Bush was being a "warmonger", yet Iran didn't get bombed.

Feel free to shut your cakehole now.  We've seen you ass and your lack of dignity.

I'd like the counter-revolution to succeed.  Russia put the Ayatollahs in power and it'll look good on Russia and the American neo-Commies when their boys get turfed.

29 Cyrus, I don't recall those exact words, but the equivocaor in chief has said that he'd be equally willing to work with whoever won. His first speech on the issue, IIRC.

30 To try and say that conservatives are hoping for an Iranian revolution that could very well bring more freedom to the Iranian people is typical backwards, night is day/day is night Obamunist pap.

And I think Obamajad ought to check out the news, Ajad just announced that the US and UK are no longer on the Iranian Christmas card list.


Seem's like Ajad got what he wanted from the US in that our leader sat up, rolled over and played dead(for as long as politically viable).
Now Ajad and his boss, Khomenie just need to crush the life out of the Iranian populace and come out with both guns blazing.
So now here we are, with oppressed Iranians giving us lessons in freedom and Communist Chinese giving us lessons in economics, what next,,,,North Koreans giving us lessons in nuclear war?

31 Why don't we seind  Ledeen to Iran?  He might still have connections there from his arms for hostages deal with Ollie North.  Come to think of it, why not send Ollie over there with a cake and a bible? 

32 There is no source for BHO saying this other than Ledeen's letter.  Prove me wrong.

Fuck you cyrus; Ledeen isn't swearing by the accuracy of what's in the letter, you stupid jizz drinker.  You trolls are a simple lot.  Axelrod has his dick up your ass; prove me wrong.

33 o try and say that conservatives are hoping for an Iranian revolution that could very well bring more freedom to the Iranian people ....."To fail"...... typical backwards, night is day/day is night Obamunist pap.

Leaving out "to fail" kinda made me look....well....not right.

34 The neocons want this revolution to fail, so they have a better case for bombing Iran.

Why do you guys always want to bomb Darfur?

35 Why do you guys always want to bomb Darfur?

AmishDude, forget bout Darfur, wait until the tea parties get a head of steam, they will be screaching at the top of their lungs for carpet bombing using fuel-air bombs.

36

The neocons want this revolution to fail, so they have a better case for bombing Iran.

Ah yes. Because "Neocons" (read: Joooos) have a bizarre obsession with dropping munitions as an end in and of itself.

37 Can I just finish my waffle cone?

38 Whether the letter is real or not is irrelevant; the sentiments expressed are undoubtedly shared by many Iranians.

39 Whether the letter is real or not is irrelevant; the sentiments expressed are undoubtedly shared by many Iranians.

You're suggesting that it might be "fake, but accurate"?

40 The fact that they used Obama's middle name in the letter is a dead giveaway that it's fake.  I stopped reading at that point.  There's a segment of our political spectrum that feels the need to remind everyone as often as possible that Obama's middle name is Hussein.  I'm not going to suggest anything about their motives, only that its use here suggests this is where the letter came from.

41 The fact that they used Obama's middle name in the letter is a dead giveaway that it's fake.  I stopped reading at that point.

I find your ideas intriguing and would like to subscribe to your newsletter.

42 You're suggesting that it might be "fake, but accurate"?

Yes, but not in the liberal sense where they fabricate events. I'm merely making the point that the sentiments in the letter are probably shared by the vast majority of protesters, if not all, including Mousavi.

43 There's a segment of our political spectrum that feels the need to remind everyone as often as possible that Obama's middle name is Hussein.  I'm not going to suggest anything about their motives, only that its use here suggests this is where the letter came from.

As one of those who calls Hussein by his name, Hussein, I will respond. First off it was Barry sotero that changed his name to Barack Hussein Obama. I do use in a derogatory manner and my implication is that his heart lies elsewhere, not with America or American values as he himself has made clear.

Do not forget that it was Barry Sotero that touted his adopted middle name, Hussein, when he went to deride our country in the middle east theocracies run by dictators. It is Hussein that is using the excuse of sovereignty to act meekly with Iran but has no such reservations when it comes to Israel. It is Hussein that gave $900 million to Hamas, a universally labeled terrorist organization that will use the money to murder Jews, while simultaneously negating shipments of military equipment to Israel. And it was Hussein that attended a Jew bashing event which the LA Times is suppressing footage of, that was attended by raving Jew hater Khalid Al-Mansour and apparently many anti-semitic remarks were made to cheers and laughter by Hussein and Al-Mansour.

Don't worry about the motives of those like me, worry about the motives of the criminal fraud in the White House.

44

Has anyone wondered if Mousavi is the sort of person we should want to win?

http://tinyurl.com/l4fdfm

 

"Well, he [Mousavi] was the Ayatollah Khomeini's prime minister. I mean, let's get started there. So that qualifies him. He is the person who negotiated with A.Q. Khan to set up the beginnings of the Islamic revolution's nuclear weapons program. He's fully committed to Iranian terrorism, a lot of it began under his administration. So whatever changes there might be inside Iran, make no mistake, the foreign policy would remain essentially the same." - John Bolton

45 That's my point, TGS.  The letter was probably written by somebody with very similar viewpoints to your own.  I sincerely doubt that would be Mousavi.

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Onama insults us all.

 

Those Iranians always think they are unique.

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