1 Maybe we can celebrate our holiday by sending one back.

2

Hans Brix??? OH NO!!

3 And what do you think Obama will do? More hand wringing and nuanced speeches?

4 Act of war, or Act of DEBATE?

5 This needs a flaming overcharge button.

6 This is simply a police matter and should be left to the FBI.

7 This calls for a horizontal fireworks show!... Either that or a super duper strongly worded note of disappointment

8 This definitely calls for another basketball!!!

9 Sheriff Joe will take care of it.  Nobody messes with Sheriff Joe.

10

I'd love to see the Navy shoot it down.

Then, all the Hawaiians can sit on the beach and go "Oooooh!, Ahhhhhh!"

 

 

11 Old shorty must be getting desparate, I haven't seen such an obvious cry for attention since Octo-mom.

12 PotUS=Pussy of the United States

13 The best thing to do right now would be to kill any anti-missile technology projects. We really shouldn't agitate other democracies that are entitled to nuke-tech.

14

(sarc)  Oh what's the big deal?  Just an inert warhead, it probably will just land in some hotel pool, kill a couple of drunks at the pool bar.  Nothing to get excited about.

Deal Leader will speak on this issue probably July 3rd, late in the evening. 

15 Kim, you scamp. That's it! ...No seconds on potato salad at the embassy party. LOL

xoxo, BO

16 "Mark my words," the Democratic vice presidential nominee warned at the second of his two Seattle fundraisers Sunday. "It will not be six months before the world tests Barack Obama like they did John Kennedy. The world is looking. We're about to elect a brilliant 47-year-old senator president of the United States of America. Remember I said it standing here if you don't remember anything else I said. Watch, we're gonna have an international crisis, a generated crisis, to test the mettle of this guy."

17 We certainly wouldn't want him to be seen as meddling in the Norks affairs.

18 Why do I get this sinking feeling that  0's response will be further cuts in missile defense spending?

19 Now maybe they'll quit asking for my birth certificate

20 I meant this PotUS, not His preceding PotUSes, who really WERE Presidents, with the exception, maybe, of Carter.  He was, and he remains, a pretty big pussy, too.

21 Hey, at least Obama is consistent.  He expects the Israelis to do nothing whem third world scum launch missiles on their territory.  He's just going to be leading by example.

You remember how Nancy Pelosi said on 9/11/2002 that we could exercise our power by invading Iraq or our strength (doing nothing in the face of Islamic aggression and simply absorbing casualties) by not doing so?  Here we go.  A display of what the government party considers 'strength.'

22 Obama knows he can't talk to missiles, right?

23

We must restrain ourselves and resort to random acts of letter writting and heroic telepromoter addresses.  Failing that Lt Worf can flex her muscles and have the NY Times write articles comparing her to Helen of Troy.

As a final resort a missile will be targeted at London or Israel.

24 folks...nothing to see here

NK is threatening to shoot a missle 'towards' hawaii

well, if you shoot anything, it will be always 'towards' some country.

this is one of those 'catchy' but ridiculous headlines

25

The correct person to conduct the diplomatic negotiations with the Norks is Bill Richardson.  His fame from having been drafted by the Kansas City Athletics and the Chicago Cubs makes him the ideal person to handle this delicate matter.  In simplistic terms, Richardson is well acquainted with handling balls and bullshit. 

26 @16,

Ironic and scary that this might be the one unvarnished truth to come from Plugs Biden's maw. Bizarre-O World.

27

8 This definitely calls for another basketball!!!

 

OK, smart guy, I didn't hear you offering any better ideas! 

28

I wouldn't miss Hawaii, we have 56 other states.  I don't think we should meddle.

29 Balack Obama? I raff! Hah!

30 "I'm troubled by the flames I see on the television."

31 I told you the Polish missile defense was a waste of time.

32 btw, Bush sure picked the right threat to go to war over. Bush sure thought Iraq was dangerous enough to go to war over, but North korea should be pampered.

33 Are loins gender neutral? 

34

Ace, I was checking out the good ol' days.

Remember Samorost?  Now there's Samorost 2.  Where does all the time go?

35 "I'm troubled by the flames I see on the television."

deeply troubled!

36 Out here in Phoenix we have at least two adjacent cities that are canceling 4th of July fireworks for lack of funds.  These are large cities Mesa, and Glendale, yet they cannot come up with the 30K to put on 4th of July fireworks that have run for decades without interruption.  But then look how N. Korea may help us out and fire some missiles at us on the 4th...that Obama is a genius...make other nations provide our 4th fireworks display

37

Don't worry wingnuts I've got this one handled.  One plane ticket to Pyongyang a extra-large tub of lube and my size 12 leather assless chaps ought to do the trick.  Oh yeah, I'll also need a few billion in taxpayers dollars and a bootleg copy of Star Trek.  Thanks.

38 Oops.  Meant to put "OT" there.

39 palin steele, you are just boring. 

Go kill yourself.

40 Wait! I know. Scratch that other stuff, Mr. Present. We should cut out the middlemen and just nuke ourselves. Our enemies will love us and we'll cut down on the world's nuclear warhead inventory. Win-win.

41 "folks...nothing to see here"

That'll be a great bumpersticker for Obama's 2012 campaign there palin

42 Yeah, palin steele, there's nothing to worry about here.  Everyone, pass around the hat.  Let's send ps as his mom to Hawaii for a vacation so they can see for themselves how not a big deal this is.

43 This could, possibly, be deeply concerning.

44 #24 don't be stupid.
You do realize that towards Hawaii also means over Japan. You don't test a long range missile by having it go10% of its possible distance.

45 Bush sure picked the right threat to go to war over.

Isn't Obama President now, you 'non- partisan- who- always- brings- up- Bush- in- context- free- drive-by -bullshit -ignorant-comments' fuck?

46 "palin steele, you are just boring."

but bashing Obama never gets old does it? 

47

Hey Palin,

Speaking of being pampered, by the disgusting stench from your post, isn't time mommy changes your pampers?

48 This definitely calls for cancelling missile defense!

49 "but North korea should be pampered."

Because there's not nothing to see here?


You're an idiot.

50 but bashing Obama never gets old does it?

How could it?  He and Sheriff Joe supply the fodder on a daily, nay, hourly basis.

51

Think it will actually happen?

I mean this seriously. What are the odds that on July 5, we're seeing the aftermath of some ballistic attack (nuke or not) on Hawaii? Normally, despite the sabre rattling, I'd say non-existent. For the last year or so, though, we've been in never-never land. It is ... possible. How possible?

52 Palin Steele,
Your grasp of foreign affairs is nothing short of awe inspiring. By which I mean awe inspiringly stupid. 

53 I personally Pampered Kim Jong Il.  He prefers unscented cornstarch to talc, by the way.

54 America: I'm broke and heavily in debt, what's another 500 million into a missle defense system that may or may not work at potentially stopping missles...boy, im a genius, and you wonder why I'm broke.

World: ...

55 You know what this calls for?
A takeover of a critically important private sector industry.
I'm sure there are a couple left.

56

Attention Kim-Jong-Il:

We will be ready for you on July 4th. Launch it the last weekend of June (27th-28th). And we will be ready for you in Honolulu, so strike San Francisco instead.

Got it? June 27th or 28th,. San Francisco.

Thank you.

 

57
Sometimes, the crying baby cries even louder when you leave him alone.

58 Pointing out the obvious is bashing?

You are just still dealing with the huge level of denial that comes with voting for a pipe dream.

The guy is a disgrace, he proves it every day and we just point out the highlights. 

End your misery, jump off a building.  Preferably where there are not people walking underneath so you don't get stupid juice on them when you go splat.

59 Couldn't we have just one fuckin' thread that does not revolve around the troll?   Hmm? Please?

60 Oh, great.  I was going to ask you guys for advice, seeing as I'm a dumb broad, about what kind of car I should get, as my present one (19 years old it is) has decided to begin the long process of dying.  But if we're all going up in a fireball in 2 weeks, why worry...

61 "What are the odds that on July 5, we're seeing the aftermath of some ballistic attack (nuke or not) on Hawaii?"

the odds are about as good as the Norks wanting to be turned into the next testing site for heavy US bombardment

they're just pissing to stay relevant...can't have Iran hog the despot schtick for a week in a row, ya know?

62 America: I'm broke and heavily in debt, what's another 787 billion into a stimulus bill that may or may not work at potentially helping the economy...boy, im a genius, and you wonder why I'm broke.

World: ...

Posted by: palin steele (the only non-partisan on AoSHQ) at June 18, 2009 02:34 PM (VDj74)

63 what's another 500 million into a missle defense system that may or may not work

Now you're pretending you know something about missile defence. Here's a clue, shitbrick - you DON'T. You lying little fuck.

64 America:

Excellent.  PS is about to dip into his vast store of military and geopolitical experience and straighten us out.

*waits in rapt expectation*

65 Wait, isn't the Won planning a family vacation to Hawaii? If it gets nuked, where will he go? I think he will debate with the Nkorks to preserve his vacation spot, because this is personal. However, it is unlikely to be an Iranian debate style.

66 July 4th?  Isn't that Malia's birthday?

67 Yeah, the Bolshis were just shooting their rifles "towards" me and my family, albeit at point blank range, in a basement. Lucky for me that I don't have to worry about popular uprisings though.

68 "A week in a row"? What the fuck kind of English is that?

69

60 Oh, great.  I was going to ask you guys for advice, seeing as I'm a dumb broad, about what kind of car I should get, as my present one (19 years old it is) has decided to begin the long process of dying.  But if we're all going up in a fireball in 2 weeks, why worry...

 

Pinto.

70 Ace... wait until duh1 starts firing the Generals.

Oh wait...he already done that.

we're soooo screwed

71

Start a poll.  I want these psychopathic sumbitches to fire the missile at Hawaii.  I want it to hit close to something important, like one of the Dems in Congress, Senator, congressman, maybe on a nice beach.

Better yet, anything in California EXCEPT San Diego. Or really, is there anything on west coast, lower 48 that wouldn't be improved by a missile?  EXCEPT San Diego. 

Maybe that could be another poll.

The only thing I'm waffling about is what kind of warhead to put on it.  Guess it depends on the target.  Barbara Boxer house?  TNT.  With Babs in it? Nuclear.  Ditto Pelosi.

72 Look at this single duck in a row!

73 Admit it, America. You still want to watch me swat flies. 'Cause that's really what's impressive.

74 Counting one tin soldier in a row, oh-oh

75

btw, Bush sure picked the right threat to go to war over. Bush sure thought Iraq was dangerous enough to go to war over, but North korea should be pampered.

As if Bush "pampered" the Norks. Puh-leeze. Meanwhile, Zero will fawn all over them.

But hey, Palin Steele: That's San Francisco, June 27th or 28th. The A.N.S.W.E.R. and Gay Pride rallies are waiting.

 

76 We will be sending teams of investigators to look for clues in cause of the nuclear blast which consumed Honolulu yesterday afternoon.  Despite speculation on fosx news that the ballistic missile launched from North Korea, which landed in the city, was related to the incident, we believe that the the evidence we have seen so far is more indicative of a right wing anti-abortion, veteran terrorist looking to enforce Christianity on our great muslim nation.  We will not be taking questions at this time.

77 Will Taco Bell put out a target in the middle of Pacific for this one?

78

North Korea, nuke DC and we'll be eternally grateful.

79

palin steele: the true idiocy of your "nothing to see here" comment about firing a missile in the direction of Hawaii can only be explained by the fact that you crave attention from the commenters here.

Again, I must ask the question:  did your daddy not give you enough attention?  Mommy was never home?  Maybe you had trouble making friends in school, and were one of those kids who would eat bugs to get the other kids' attention.  There must be something, because I admit that I fail to understand the allure of trolling a blog in a mindless contrarian way in order to get attention.

Please stop.  And go away. 

80

IT'S TIME FOR THE OBAMA WHITE HOUSE PRESS RELEASE DRINKING GAME!

Take a drink for:

"Deeply concerned"

"Diplomatic solution"

"Deeply troubled"

"Continued negotiations"

"United Nations"

"Working together"

"Peaceful solution"

"DVD Collection"

"Please don't nuke the Hawaiian Department of Records <Wink>"

81

<i>Flaming Skull: This is more important than the last article. So I'm giving this one the skull.</i>

When will Slublog do a flaming Kim skull, with sunglasses and hairdo?  Why can't both pieces get the skull?  Is there some sort of skull-rationing that goes on here?

82 #80 - don't forget 'robust debate', which apparently applies when one side is firing bullets or shooting off missiles.

83

I'm with Ella.  Can this really happen?  Will the US let this happen?

Either way there are now three places I've crossed off my vacation dream list:

1. palau  2. bermuda  3. hawaii (which is a shame; I wanted to golf at Kapalua)

84 And we're tracking a Nork ship with nuclear materials and missiles on it:

http://tinyurl.com/ks74lq

85 P(M)S,

The NK situation aside, you're messiah is a worthless do-nothing idiot, a narcissistic asshole, and a pacifist little bitch.  The Iranian regime is as close to being toppled as it ever has been, and his non-response to the situation is FUCKING DISGRACEFUL.  This called for a "MR. GORBACHEV, TEAR DOWN THIS WALL" response, and that stupid fucking halfwit sat there with his thumb up his ass and offered no leadership whatsoever.  It's amateur hour in the Oval Office and Preznit Obizzle McStalinacorn is bombing big time and pissing his panties on stage.

86 IT'S TIME FOR THE OBAMA WHITE HOUSE PRESS RELEASE DRINKING GAME!

Holy shit, I'd be comatose in an hour.

87 Look at this single duck in a row!

Posted by: Waterhouse at June 18, 2009 02:38 PM (vsUUu)

Okay, that made me laugh out loud.

88 Hawaii isn't one of the 57 states, so I'm not going to meddle.

89 i'd tell that freaky little midget that if a missile leaves his country on July fourth headed our way, he had better get down in his bunker if he wants to live, because every military asset he has above ground will be flattened 10 times over.

90 "There must be something, because I admit that I fail to understand the allure of trolling a blog in a mindless contrarian way in order to get attention." - DanO

What is the point of reading a place where everyone agrees with you and echoes your thoughts? do you not find that dull and uninteresting?

91 @68, I only speak two languages, English and bad English.

92 Barry is quickly putting together an iPod with his greatest hits on it. That works every time.

93 but bashing Obama never gets old does it?

Why would it?  Are you intimating he does not deserve bashing?  Or are you pointing out our superior intellect and moral standing should preclude us from bashing the bash-able?  Or perhaps you are seeing how the media is asking such tough questions, why should we need to bash such a GREAT man?  Or perhaps you are reminding us that his policies developed in sweaty backrooms in Chicago will fail spectacularly and so no need to bash?  Or perhaps you feel that we should be a toilet like you and just eat what drops down upon us?  Or perhaps you just like to suck tyrant dick and are distracted when we are bashing?  My suggestion is that you should stick your head further up the great ones ass checks, so then our bashing will be muffled, if not completely blocked.

94

I think a well timed cruise missile strike from a sub could take care of it on the pad and make it all look like an accident. 

Me, I'd prefer to see if they retain launch capabilities from a Pyongyang made of glass.  And even that could be done from a cruise missile from a sub and be made to look like an accident.   Afterwards, I'd call the Chinese premier and say to him "Did you just see that bloom on your satellites?  Looks like your friend Kim had an accident playing with one of his toys.  Perhaps if you had organized an intervention ahead of time, this could have been avoided.  A shame.  We'll send flowers."

 

 

95 You guys still want to change the national anthem?

96 The One is quietly working on getting Kimmy to redirect it over Alaska.  Takes out Prudoe Bay and 'Cuda all in one fell swoop. 

Windmills and unicorns forever!

97 palin steele (the only non-partisan on AoSHQ) at June 18, 2009 02:43 PM (VDj74)

You have thoughts?

98 Obama's been secretly putting together a squadron of Unicorns.  They'll fly over NORK sh!tting Skittles and all will be well.  Relax.  He's got it handled.

99

RE: #32:

 

New headline;
Palin Steele advocates for war with North Korea

100 pale steele:

don't know about systems that stop "missles", but we definitely have systems that stop missiles- believe such a system exists on preznit mcspendypants' plane that he takes on dates to NY and Chicago.

As ever, you are a stupendous jagoff.

101 As usual, pullin' still has all his Axelrod talking points in order.

Dipshit.

Haven't you people figured it out yet?  WE AREN'T BUYING YOUR BULLSHIT.  As a matter of fact, we can tell shit from shinola.  And what you're pushing ain't shinola.

Maybe it works with the dullard audiences of the networks, MSNBC and CNN, and the newspapers.  We, however, are a bit less receptive to your inane blather.

102 This has to be George Bush's fault.

103

Trish @83, you know, I really think Obama would let it happen. It's a sobering thought, but I have long been convinced that he despises this country to its core and would enjoy seeing it burn.

I wonder if Kim Jong Il (or anyone else with a name to make) believes strongly enough that they can do something without consequence that they're willing to risk it.

104 Perhaps obama and his new best friend from Iran can enjoy the "fireworks" together.....didn't he invite Iran to participate in our Fourth of July?

105

Me, I'd prefer to see if they retain launch capabilities from a Pyongyang made of glass.

It just wouldn't be "Frozen Chosen" anymore.

106 That same unproven missile defense system that shot down an incoming satellite last year.

107 PS wouldn't be broke if he got to his corner on time for the noon rush on bj's! You know ps you are an infant and a very stupid one at that!

108 Look at all these little things! So busy now! Notice how each one is useful. A lovely ballet ensues, so full of form and color. Now, think about all those people that created them. Technicians, engineers, hundreds of people, who will be able to feed their children tonight, so those children can grow up big and strong and have little teeny children of their own, and so on and so forth. Thus, adding to the great chain of life. You see, father, by causing a little destruction, I am in fact encouraging life. In reality, you and I are in the same business.

You'll never uncover my plan to destroy any possibility of verifying my birth.

109 Posted by: palin steele (the only non-partisan on AoSHQ) at June 18, 2009 02:36 PM (VDj74)

You're a two-timing cheat, coming back here after screwing around with Hot Air. Think we'll take you back after Allahpundit used you and then dumped you at the curb? Don't lie to us, we see the lipstick on your collar and the smell of AP's perfume. We're throwing your laptop and juiceboxes out on the front lawn, don't think you're sleeping here tonight.

"Does she speak elequently, does she go down on your in a theater"

110 Kim's rocket thing reminds me of the scene in Night at the Museum when the miniature cowboys and Roman soldiers attack Larry.

111 Dudley@84, I wouldn't worry about that ship.  That grand UN sanction the Obama administration is bragging about?  It doesn't let us board suspiscious vessels unless we get the captain's permission first.

And is anyone really surprised that palin steele responds to the prospect of a deliberate launch on American soil by claiming missile defense is a waste of money?  Obviously we should be spending more on minority health care in the days remaining before they got fried up by the Norks.

112 You know a nuke taking out the building which houses Obama's long form real birth certificate would work out nicely for Obama.

113 Pearl Harbor would never be attacked during peace time.  Now get back to work.

114 No toy helicopters from the White House gift shop for you!

115 This is not the Kim Jong-Il I thought I knew.

116 Didn't 'lil kim pull this stunt last year?

117 when has a country every attacked another country without warning?

118 Palin Steele...  You ignorant fucking pile of panty waste.  

"May or may not work.."  So you have actually worked on the EKV?  How about the MKV?  No?  So you WOULDN'T know about the fiber optic gyro technology that is THE system that locks onto the missiles then?  No?  You mean to say that you are unaware of many many successful tests including detecting and ommitting dummy launches used to confuse the system?  You mean you DON'T work for Northrop or Fibersense Technologies?  Ohhhh  I See then.

YOU FUCKING IGNORANT RETARD

119

They'll call for more sanctions and more intense and tough diplomacy... feckless crapweazels.

120 What is the point of reading a place where everyone agrees with you and echoes your thoughts? do you not find that dull and uninteresting?

This would make sense if you actually brought some insight or debatable points, but slavering bumper sticker love for someone that expresses your crudely and uninformed political ideology as he destroys western civilization is more a pathology of the kid that hates his mom for giving him birth and laughs as he burns down mom's house while he is still in the house with mom, he spends his last few minutes screaming at mom, "I hate you and am sick and tired of you telling me to take off my shoes when I come in the door and go to my basement room!"

121

What is the point of reading a place where everyone agrees with you and echoes your thoughts? do you not find that dull and uninteresting?

 

I agree, but some people just keep showing up!

122

Thousands of heavy artillery pieces pointed at Seoul. Large stock of chemical weapons. They used to have the capability of flooding the Han river valley, but the South Korean "peace dam" has made that less of a threat.

The Norks have a hostage.

123 @109

that made no sense, whatsover.

sincerely,
palin steele

124 North Korea likes to threaten and bluster to get concessions and extort money from the West.

Unfortunately, this plays right into BO's "strong suit".

That is spending vast sums of money for nothing or close to nothing.

I expect BO's light touch here to cost hundreds of billions, cause hey, it's only money, and gain nothing, cause, hey at least he tried.

125 Once Obama threatens to sick the White House press on them, this crisis is over. Besides. Hawaii is a blue state.

126 I think anyone with balls would move a carrier task force or two into the area.

127 Ace is right: under any other President, this would be considered insanity...but I have absolutely no clue how Obama will react here.  Even Clinton would bomb NK's military installations to dust.

What does KJI want?  Does it really matter?  You can't have diplomatic negotiations with someone who is batshit crazy.  If a crazy homeless man assaults you, it may not be because he hates you, or because of his state in the world, or his life, or because he's oppressed, or slighted, or anything else.  Sometimes, it's just because he's BATSHIT CRAZY.

128

palin steele , the only non-partisan  living brain doner on AoSHQ

FIFY

129 It's just about impossible to pre-emtively strike North Korea without using WMDs. The reason is that the Norks have tens of thousands of artillery pieces - many of which sit in heavily fortified locations - aimed at Seoul. You'd have hundreds of thousands (possibly millions) of civilian casualties before you could take them all out - never mind the US troops at the DMZ.

The only slightly reasonable tactic I could think of would be to use neutron bombs across the spread of the artillery emplacements, but I have no idea if that could be done without seriously endangering the lives of the US troops and South Korean civilians.

130 Can this really happen?  Will the US let this happen? Posted by: Trish

Yes, and yes. We apparently did nothing during the last missile shot. I'm of two minds: one that realizes these stunts are extortion tatics, and another that knows the Japanese are going to begin to seriously look at nukes. Meaning that it's unlikely that NoKo would attack the US or South Korea; there's no plausible deniabilty in a straight out attack. The would lose any confrontation with us and they don't belong to an apocalyptic cult. NoKo is a crime family with a country. Their weapons program is a money maker and your production falls off if you are overthrown.

But that's no consolation to Japan. They can't easily raise a large military overnight. Nukes are the quickest route to provide for deterrence. There is nothing that prevents Japan from dealing with Russia or India for support and turning away from the West either.

131

North Korea, nuke DC San Francisco and we'll be eternally grateful.

I think the maxim "as California goes, so goes the nation" still applies.

Palin Steele AND Kim Jong-Il: That's San Francisco, Saturday night, June 27th. Got it? Good.

132 125 - Point taken by Obama administration.  Hillary now in hyper secret negotiations with NorK's.  She's going to persuade them to nuke Texas instead of Hawaii.   Per Obama, that would be a "win/win."

133 DON'T CALL THEM MY "LOINS" YOU IGNORANT SEXIST PRICKS.

THEY ARE MY SENATORIAL LOINS YOU FAT FUCKS. I EARNED MY SENATORIAL LOINS. WHAT THE HELL DO YOU DO ALL DAY HUH??? YOU ALL ARE PATHETIC!!

134 Gibbs to Bush today: We Won.

As always, intelligent.

135 Hey, palin steele, has it occurred to you that a nuclear-tipped missile wouldn't actually have to hit the islands to inflict catastrophic damage?  Maybe go llok up the effects of the Asian Tsunami?

136 54 America: I'm broke and heavily in debt, what's another 500 million into a missle defense system that may or may not work at potentially stopping missles...boy, im a genius, and you wonder why I'm broke.

Yes, let's throw 100 times that amount into a zombie car company that will crank out pieces of shit so that palin steele's  400 pound uncle who works at Chrysler putting lug nuts on Sebrings can pay his bar tab on those 4 hour lunch breaks

137 #88
I like the cut of your sockpuppet. Well played.

138 what's another 500 million into a missle defense system that may or may not work at potentially stopping missles...boy, im a genius, and you wonder why I'm broke.

Since when is money an object?  Obama spends that much everyday before lunch on condoms and abortions (i.e., "stimulus").  Missile defense provides national security AND real job stimulus. 

139

I think a decapitated regime gives no orders. And I doubt Nork artillery battery commanders would give the orders to attack Seoul on their own. 

I could be wrong, of course.  Easy to give the orders from an armchair. 

 

140 I shudder to think how Rahmbellina would take advantage of this crisis.

141 Nothing an urgent action alert and a pretty vicious rant or two can't fix.

142 palin steele (the only non-partisan on AoSHQ) at June 18, 2009 02:36 PM (VDj74)

I have just one question ...

After your EPIC "what popular uprising has ever toppled a tyrant regime?" FAIL, how could you possibly show your face here again? At least so soon. Have you no pride at all?

Don't get me wrong. I would heartily miss watching you get batted around -- in fact yesterday's tyrant regime smack down was the the highlight of my daily reading.

But, seriously, do you have any pride at all?

143 As mentioned above, anybody who thinks we can just bomb North Korea with impunity is either seriously  misinformed or seriously psychotic. They basically have 24,500,000 South Korean civilian hostages that they can start killing on about 10 seconds notice. Why does anyone think we've tolerated their shit this far?

This discussion is hitting Daily Kos levels of stupid.

144 Is it 3AM?

145 If it comes within 1000 miles, do you know how big the splash would be?  And with light's refractive properties...

It would be like the entry point were a giant Pacific vagina, giving birth to thousands...nay, millions...of beautiful rainbows in a circle of power and love and not-harm.

Like a visual hug.  A hug from the spirit plane.

146 There is going to be a strong response. I don't know why anyone would doubt the testicular fortitude of a half white Hawaiian metrosexual.

147 On the other hand, why spend valuabe dollars on protecting San Fransicko?  The Norks would be doing us a favor.

148

And I have to say this: if there is a missile launched from NK in an eastern direction and it isn't shot down,

IMPEACH!

149 I shudder to think how Rahmbellina would take advantage of this crisis.

Nationalize Hawaii.

150 @130 - interesting thoughts.  It brought to mind Krauthammer's remarks after the first go'round with N.Korea.  He thought the only way to move forward in a serious manner would be to give Japan nukes.  I remember my husband and I had a big discussion about it.  Japan with nukes?!  Crazy idea.  I'm not that old & a product of the US public school system and even I had to shake my head at the thought.  It was memorial day and I had just met a bunch of WWII vets at the Mall in DC.  I wonder what they would think.

151 O/T:  "Treasury to Auction $104 Billion In Debt Next Week, a Record"
http://tinyurl.com/kn8ysq

152 how about some really tough diplomacy, send Madeline Albright back over with another autographed basketball.

153 Maybe I'm missing something, but even in a worse-case scenario (missile hits Hawaii), what could the North Koreans possibly gain?  Aside from the knowledge that they humiliated a completely inexperienced US President?  That might make them all warm and fuzzy inside, but it won't stop retaliation.  And I can't see China backing them up on this.

154

I think a decapitated regime gives no orders.

Good point. Maybe a little raid to round up the head pimp and his family?

155

I don't see this as a problem at all.  NK fires, the Navy shoots it down.  What NK will do after this in order to gain concessions is what is troubling to imagine.

On the other hand, if Obama lets the missle come within five hundred miles of the USA without shooting it down -- then he's got big trouble.

Which makes me think NK will fire over Japan, but not too close to Hawaii.

156 60 Oh, great.  I was going to ask you guys for advice, seeing as I'm a dumb broad, about what kind of car I should get, as my present one (19 years old it is) has decided to begin the long process of dying.  But if we're all going up in a fireball in 2 weeks, why worry...

You seem to go for longevity and low maintenance. You can probably get a great deal on a Toyota Corolla or Honda Civic that's just a few years old. Those two models are low maintenance, have great build quality and should last you another 20 years.

157

While I am on a deep cover, super-secret mission to Iran now, I feel compleed to comment:

Let me assure you --this is a dead cold, stone pipe lock-- this administration will be tested on July 4.  Let me assure you, firends --well, not all of you, but some of you in general-- Fightin' Joe will meet the foe with cold mettle and we shall prevail.

This calls to mind my super-secret mission during the Gran Chaco-licious War of 1994, when I was captured by 16 snipers and prevailed upon to give up the deepest, darkest secrets of our great nation.  I cackled at them for fools, for they knew not that I could reveal those secrets at a Press Club dinner two weeks later!

The lesson I bring from that Expansive Foreign Policy Experience™: As I always say, "I never met a man I didn't like."

Gird your loins, kddos!

158

Today I heard Hussein is giving the UN criminals and human rights violators billions of taxpayer dollars that will go to the coffers of warlords.

One fucking piece of shit subhuman with a complicit media and other political prostitutes can brazenly ruin this nation and Americans don't give a fuck; frankly they're too stupid to see what's happening, as long as they have their anal beads and cocaine they don't give a shit. We don't deserve our freedoms or way of life. Liberals will need to pay for what they've done.

159 As mentioned above, anybody who thinks we can just bomb North Korea with impunity is either seriously misinformed or seriously psychotic. They basically have 24,500,000 South Korean civilian hostages that they can start killing on about 10 seconds notice. Why does anyone think we've tolerated their shit this far?

This discussion is hitting Daily Kos levels of stupid.

I wonder. How are the crews of all those artillery tubes getting their orders? By radio? Massive jamming will solve that. By landline? Take out the nodes. It may not be a GOOD idea, but it might not be a DISASTROUS idea.

160 You guys are ridiculous. When in history has a nuclear weapon ever worked?

161

lorien1973 at June 18, 2009 02:55 PM (IhQuA)

An Carter won too...wht the hell is their point? That's such a stupid way to deflect criticism. The sheep didn't embrace Marxism last November...they went for the celebrity.

162

palin steele at June 18, 2009 03:03 PM (QoR4a)

Um, ask the Japanese?

163 9 Sheriff Joe will take care of it.  Nobody messes with Sheriff Joe.

Posted by: Barry Soetero at June 18, 2009 02:22 PM (E+oQ7)

 

I fucked 'im. Oh!

 

_{(Dice Clay reference.)}

164

160 You guys are ridiculous. When in history has a nuclear weapon ever worked?

This can't be the real Palin Steele.  Nobody could be this stupid. 

 

 

165 I don't think this is very serious at all. Provocative yes. Everyone testing ballistic missile lobs them towards Hawaii, more specifically, Midway Island. The Russkies do it all the time. I was there several times. Nothing cooler than watching a multiple independent re-entry vehicle come back to earth. However we, and especially Japan are going to have to wonder when the day comes that that demented little fuck NORK might actually put a payload on a missile and the "test" turns out to be real. Time for Japan to go nuclear. Should take them about a week.week.

166 @109

that made no sense, whatsover.

sincerely,
palin steele

No pride and zero sense of humor??

167

As mentioned above, anybody who thinks we can just bomb North Korea with impunity is either seriously misinformed or seriously psychotic. They basically have 24,500,000 South Korean civilian hostages that they can start killing on about 10 seconds notice. Why does anyone think we've tolerated their shit this far?

If those commie leftist "students" who used to always stage anti-American demonstrations got hit, it would be karmic justice.

168

Maybe I'm missing something, but even in a worse-case scenario (missile hits Hawaii), what could the North Koreans possibly gain?

Proving to the world America has been castrated with the election of Hussein, not to mention gaining prestige among the rogue states and terrorist factions worldwide.  

169

what could the North Koreans possibly gain? 

It wouldn't be what they would gain, directly, but the message sent to the rest of the world that we are weak. That would open many doors that previously have remained closed and locked.

And BTW, thanks for the heads-up, Sheriff Joe.

170 I've got to be more careful with the sockpuppets. It looks like I just analyzed a method of attacking my own regime.

171

Posted by: Trish at June 18, 2009 03:01 PM (0U5Kd)

Trish,

Japan has the components on the shelf and could throw a nuke together in a matter of days.  Or so I've heard.  They're the only country that's ever been on the receiving end and I doubt they want to be without deterrent and retaliatory measures should it happen again.

172 @152 - maybe Kevin Johnson would sign the basketball. 

173

I wonder. How are the crews of all those artillery tubes getting their orders? By radio? Massive jamming will solve that. By landline? Take out the nodes. It may not be a GOOD idea, but it might not be a DISASTROUS idea.

An EMP burst should take care of C-in-C quite nicely.

174 I cannot imagine that the US response can be less than a full shock-and-awe decapitating strike on the entire North Korean military, government, and command and control apparatus.

Imagine there's no moron in the Whitehouse. Now open your eyes and realize that there is, in fact, a naive, inexperienced doofus in the Whitehouse who says borderline retarded things. And then realize that this, the Vice President, actually knows more about foreign policy than Obama.

175 week. Fucking CPU.

176 Don't panic! Obama's magic unicorn will release a massive EMP burst from its magnificent ass and we'll all be saved!

177

OBambi will do nothing and Kim will launch another missle a few hundred miles and it will fall in the sea.

 

178

what could the North Koreans possibly gain? 

N. Korea is hurting because of their own dumbass Commie policies.  N. Korea could attack knowing that we would crush them, then we would dump billions and billions to rebuild them out of liberal American guilt, which this administration is full of.

179

160 You guys are ridiculous. When in history has a nuclear weapon ever worked?

Those who cling to the untrue doctrine that violence never settles anything would be advised to conjure up the ghosts of Napoleon Bonaparte and of the Duke of Wellington and let them debate it. The ghost of Hitler could referee, and the jury might well be the Dodo, the Great Auk, and the Passenger Pigeon. Violence, naked force, has settled more issues in history than has any other factor, and the contrary opinion is wishful thinking at its worst. Nations and peoples who forget this basic truth have always paid for it with their lives and freedoms.

-Robert Heinlein

180 Ret's see Terraplomter Obama swat this fry

181

Please, people.  It wouldn't actually be a so-called "act of war" unless all of the following conditions occurred:

1.  The missile must strike precisely in the center of Waikiki Beach;

2.  At exactly 12:01 a.m. on July 4, 2009;

3.  No more, and no less, than 1,258,943 people must die within 24 hours;

4.  President Obama's birth certificate (the "alleged" real one) must be incinerated in the blast; and,

5.  Kim Jong Il must ride the missile (think Slim Pickens) all the way from NorK until it lands.

Unless these conditions are fulfilled in just this way, we pathetic stooges in State Radio and Television will declare this "a tragedy caused only by George W. Bush's policies, and completely absolve President O'Shizzle from responsibility.

182 This upcoming man-caused disaster shouldn't cause you morons any worries.

183 123 @109

that made no sense, whatsover.

sincerely,
palin steele

Posted by: palin steele (the only non-partisan on AoSHQ) at June 18, 2009 02:50 PM (VDj74)

Our friends saw your bicycle parked in front of the Hot Air motel, doing your troll tricks. How long has this been going on you two-timing cheat

184 I've been president for a while now.  Time to move onto something else.

185 164

160 You guys are ridiculous. When in history has a nuclear weapon ever worked?

This can't be the real Palin Steele.  Nobody could be this stupid. 

He disclosed to us last weekend that he got a public school education in New York city. He can be that stupid

186 Has Kim been read his rights yet?

187 After the Norks give Pearl Harbor that eery glow in the dark appeal, at 7:22am on Sunday July 5th 2009, the mulatto mendacity will announce in an unprecidented statement of shock and dismay at this completely unprevoked and dastardly suprise attack. Bush should have told him this was possible, and not left him in the dark about the evilness of the North Koreans. Then he'll take AF 1 on an extended tour of South America to appologize for Americas oppression of their peoples. ABC news will show a poll of 85% approval.

188 Do WE ever shoot missiles at other nations for shits and giggles?

189

I wonder. How are the crews of all those artillery tubes getting their orders? By radio? Massive jamming will solve that. By landline? Take out the nodes. It may not be a GOOD idea, but it might not be a DISASTROUS idea.

An EMP burst should take care of C-in-C quite nicely.

That's a good idea, if the artillery isn't on a dead man switch, not a safe assumption for a regime as paranoid as the Norks.  For the ignorant (like palin steele) that means that all the batteries are under orders that if they do not receive a stand down order, say every day at midnight), they should immediately open up on Seoul.

190 @164

do you not know how to read a hashmark? ive been here 2 weeks and i know that much

191 176: That made me laugh. So its an SBD, pull O's finger kind of thing.

192

An EMP burst should take care of C-in-C quite nicely.

Bingo - send them back to the stone ages for awhile.

193

Palin Steele:

Someone beat me to the "ask Japan" card when you inquired when a nuclear weapon has ever worked.  At this point, I am just assuming you are asking dumb questions in an attempt to get attention (which is working) instead of the fact that you have no understanding of history (or, you could be a public school graduate - which may explain why you asked the question in the first place).

194 So far the TPD-2 performance makes it look like the NorKs watched the old Navy Vanguard test video as a guide to missile design:

1. Make a lot of noise and flame.
2. Lift off the ground slightly.
3. Explode brilliantly, damaging launchpad.
4. Declare success.

They would be more threatening, were they less inept.  But let's ignore for the moment that it took the US better than 20 years of intense postwar research to get reliable boosters and ICBMs, with hundreds of successful and unsuccessful tests. 

Let us also ignore the fact that the NorKs have detonated their second nuke, which places them at August 9, 1945 on our development timescale.  Let us further ignore the fact that they are the first country to fizzle their first nuclear test, and that missile-deliverable nuclear warheads took 15 years of frequent and aboveground testing to achieve, back when we were spending 9% of a far larger GDP and 50% of our federal budget on defense.

If they shoot a nuke at Hawaii, they are shooting it at the home port of the best crews of missile interceptors in the United States.  And since nobody else has as effective or tested a system as the Aegis/SM-3, that makes them the best in the world.  The best missile-intercept radar in the world is parked at Pearl right now undergoing refit. 

This is not a movie, the ragtag band of happy misfit nuclear weapons designers and missile engineers from the North Korean team are not likely to beat the calm, cool and professional sailors for whom this launch will constitute little more than a live-fire test.

The only questions that remain are a) why North Korea is so blatantly courting disaster, and b) what the Obama Administration will do if there is a launch at Hawaii.  The NorKs' pattern is to badger the regional powers plus the United States into concessions with bad behavior, but with the ship and a declared launch not to orbit but AT HAWAII (if the wording is so), plus a third nuclear test, they seem to be interested in more than fuel oil and corn.  The generations that remember the Korean War are dying out, certainly at the top of the military, and I have to believe that their military is not remaining cognizant of what the United States can rain down upon them without a boot on the ground or the use of nuclear weapons.  We might just bomb the hell out of them and NOT try to topple the regime.  Why invade?  Wreck them and move on.  Apparently this is not something they have considered, because it is as likely as a full-scale invasion given our current manpower shortage.

The early phase of the second question is easier, order the Navy to intercept the missile if it is headed for US airspace.  What comes next is  less certain.  If it really was a nuke and the duct tape on the TPD-2 held together until blown apart on impact, then the answer is pretty simple: the US will destroy everything capable of being used as an offensive weapon and we have a continuation of the Korean War.  I do not believe that Obama would survive politically were he to not respond to an actual nuclear weapon fired at the United States, intercepted or not.

If it's just a missile, with no fissile material in the wreckage (this time), the President's options increase.  The "launch site" is a metal building, a crane and a launchpad, while we could symbolically destroy it doing so does not set back the North Koreans.  Unfortunately, with this President the more options the less likely he is to act, and so a successful intercept of a non-nuclear weapon is likely to get a sternly worded letter as well as a bill for cleanup and the cost of the intercept, which will remain unpaid. 

The option I would like to see him take would be to send a B-2 to drop a stick of concrete bombs on the USS Pueblo and sink it -- it's still our property, after all, and it would remind the NorKs of their extreme vulnerability without killing anyone, if done in the dead of night.  A bunch of parachute flares to light up the harbor just before impact would certainly make sure nobody missed it.  If you want to talk about sending a message, a nuclear-capable stealth bomber flying through your airspace at will and precision-bombing a target smaller than KJI's house is an unmistakable message.  The only question the NorKs would haveat that point is whether Obama has the stones to kill people in order to stop them, and that's still a question, isn't it?

What it comes down to is whether the NorKs would be doing this to any US President, or are they singling out someone they see as weak and cowable?  I don't believe they would mess with GWB quite this way, he had enough of that Mel Gibson-esque crazy-eye thing that he just might pull the trigger on them.  McCain is also a trigger-puller, and Palin -- she wouldn't bend quite as adroitly as Obama, but she can make a decision and doesn't let go when she makes one.

195

If I may join in as a member of the Ground Zero Club (Jesus in a thong Christ!! this sucks), p/s shut the hell up, if it was you and your family being targeted, I bet you would change your tune fast. Asshole.

On the good side, we actually have two battlegroups on the way with AEGIS systems and of course our homebased ships.  And that superpowerful missle defense radar left yesterday (I can't remember its name but it's that giant golf ball looking thingy.

You know how bad it would suck to be killed by something called the "Il Dong'!! Ugggh just fucking uggggh!

AVENGE ME MORONS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

196 @193

idiot, that wasn't me...it was a pathetic sock.

197 I'm sure that Barry will be properly "outraged".  So as he gets the poll and focus group results.  Hell, the stupid fucking MAJORITY elected a "community organizer".  What did they think they were going to get, a leader?

198 Is it me or does the weak horse invite attack?

199 24 folks...nothing to see here

NK is threatening to shoot a missle 'towards' hawaii

well, if you shoot anything, it will be always 'towards' some country.

I fart towards your general direction

200

Ace,

If North Korea launced a missle, and for the sake of argument let's say it was a nuclear tipped-missle, I am not at all convinced that Barack Hussein Obama II would do <i>anything</i> miltarily in response.

Why would he? And really, what would he do?

Launch a massive strike against North Korea, and risk a world conflagration? Not likely.

Let's further posit that the missle is launched but does not hit Hawaii. No harm, no foul.

If a nuclear-tipped missle hit one of the Hawaiin islands, say Kona for example, I can honestly imagine that:

1) There would be many on the Left and in the world who would blame Bush, Rush, Nixon, Rove, Hitler, Palin,, etc.

2) There would be much wailing and gnashing of teeth, followed by hand-wringing and calls for "understanding."

The risk of actually using military force is too high for Barack Hussein Obama II. He simply cannot and will not do so.

 

201

the same effect that ignoring a crying baby has -- eventually the baby learns that crying does not bring mommy rushing in, and stops with all the racket

Yeesh, I hate to see that metaphor.

Please don't ever think this is acceptable treatment for a baby. "Cry it out" is a rationalization for neglect.

What the baby actually "learns" is, if I pretend I'm OK, even when I'm not, I will be loved again.

Pretty awful when you think about the long-range implications of that.

202 143 As mentioned above, anybody who thinks we can just bomb North Korea with impunity is either seriously  misinformed or seriously psychotic. They basically have 24,500,000 South Korean civilian hostages that they can start killing on about 10 seconds notice. Why does anyone think we've tolerated their shit this far?

This discussion is hitting Daily Kos levels of stupid.

Posted by: ErikTheRed at June 18, 2009 02:58 PM (erlfI)

Speaking of stupid, so because of this hostage situation we just watch as missiles start landing in Hawaii? bullshit, we could very quickly cut off their ability to harm anyone in the South if we wanted to.

why did we tolerate it so far? because they are a proxy for China, not because of South Korea.

203 Well, looks like Joe Blow was right. Generalissimo Pissyassed Fuckstick will be tested early. And found to have the substance of flatulence.

204

Palin Steele:

Walks like a duck, quacks like a duck....its probably a "non-partisan" troll.

205 Oh, and BTW, a real, nuclear EMP is not confined to national borders.  And South Korea is a friend, a friend who makes a hell of a lot of DRAM chips and other things, we would not just fry all the electronics in South Korea, we would fry a bunch of their military communication and control equimpent, all of which they are likely to need if the flag goes up.  Not to mention what happens if we fry systems in Russia and China, or the damage the residual charged particles will do to our own low-orbiting satellites, like reconaissance sats and GPS.  The original Telstar satellite was permanently disabled by the first EMP tests in the 1960s.

Bombing North Korea back to the stone age puts about 90% of the country back about six weeks.  The majority of the population are miners, farmers and factory workers, they don't have electricity anyway and won't miss it.  The targets are the party and the military, and using an EMP will futz their iPods but likely will not affect their command and control appreciably.

The US has little to gain and very, very much to lose by starting an EMP war, or even setting the precedent that EMPs are acceptable uses for nuclear weapons.  We are more technologically-dependent, and therefore far more vulnerable to EMPs than the rest of the world.

206 194, I would like to point out that the NKs could be more advanced than we were in 1945 simply because now it's proven technology, and our successes will make their programs more successful with stolen information that seems to be widely available now, with Clinton selling our rocket technology in the 90s, Khan of Pakistan disseminating nuke info, etc.  Yes, they may not be to a deliverable weapon yet, but they won't take as long as we took to develop it, most likely.

207 If North Korea does this -- indeed, if they continue merely threatening to launch missiles at or near the US -- I cannot imagine that the US response can be less than a full shock-and-awe decapitating strike on the entire North Korean military, government, and command and control apparatus. 72 hours of bombing every government building, every military HQ, and every artillery piece into oblivion.

Sounds like a plan.  If we'd done this under Clinton or Bush, imagine the years of international humiliation we could've avoided.

208

Please don't ever think this is acceptable treatment for a baby. "Cry it out" is a rationalization for neglect.

Not to threadjack, but it really depends on when you do it. At two months? No. Babies only cry when they're tired, hungry, wet, scared or hurt.

Five months? Maybe it's time to let a baby learn to soothe itself when it wakes up in the middle of the night.

 

 

209 To those who think if we just let Kim bitch slap us and he'll tire his hands out and go away:

Don't ever get arrested and thrown in jail, those of your mindset will be swapped for Marlboro's inside of 48 hours

210

OK, we're gonna get hit. We know who, when and where.

And the Kenyan thinks we need healthcare vs.Anti ballistic missiles?

Sure, give us tax credits for fall out shelters, ASSHOLE!

211 Why don't I get attention any more?

212 So I was curious to see if simply pretending North Korea didn't exist would have the same effect that ignoring a crying baby has -- eventually the baby learns that crying does not bring mommy rushing in, and stops with all the racket.

This is one of those classic lessions of psychologic conditioning.
Before the response is extinguished, it gets worse.
In other words, before stopping yelling altogether, first the baby yells louder.
In this case, if a threat is ignored, the Norkers would be expected to respond with a bigger threat next, not stop altogether.

That aside, has anyone else noticed that the Norkers always deliberately time their threat to American holidays?
 

213 The 49th Missile Defense Battalion is part of the Alaska National Guard and operates the interceptors at Ft. Greely.  They are on permanent active duty (I think they're the only ARNG battalion that is).  So I would assume Palin could order them to shoot down an incoming missile herself if Preznit Obizzle McStalinacorn acts like his chickenshit self and refuses to do anything.

214

Darren at June 18, 2009 03:32 PM (PntkJ)

Could they be used more strategically then?  Even if it it only lasted a month if we kept on repeating that over and over it seams like it would be effective.  And would they really be able to retaliate by using EMP on us?

215 This does deserve a "flaming skull". Zero can really get us into something that all joking aside is "Horrifying" if you think about it. My brother is stationed in Hawaii, Airforce. My dad (a marine) fought in the korean war. Both are not too optimistic about the kindergarten - in - chief.  I am worried. According to my dad, this opens shit cans we do not want to open..

216 I, for one, am thrilled that a community organizer is in the White House.

What could be better?

217 This is not a problem.  North Korea will not attack us because of my moral authority.

218 Well, after all, it is/was pretty provocative of us to locate a state in the nork missile's path. 

219 The Manhattan project was starting from scratch, they couldn't consult successful scientific precedents for guidance. A better analogy would be 1998 Pakistan

220 Range 6,200 mi.
Denver 6,138 mi.

221 I guess that idiot calling into Levin's show last night that was praising Obama for keeping us safe feels pretty stupid right about now.

222 Why not use the airborne laser to melt the thing as it is lifting off? Plausible dependability. No one shells SK and maybe it takes out the launch facility.

223 What's the NorKs real goal with this launch?  To prove that we're within range.  Then it becomes a game of 'Whatcha gonna give me, roundeye?'

It's also a new TV commercial to various parties who might be looking to buy.

224 220 Range 6,200 mi.
Denver 6,138 mi.

That makes the people in Julesburg feel so much better

225 @222, what airborne laser?

226 Palin Steele is frequently sock-puppeted here for the purpose of ridicule. Too many people are responding to the sockpuppets as if they are real.  If it's the real stooge and not a sarcastic sockpuppet, the signature line code will be (VDj74).   Mnemonic:  He has VD.

227 Oh, and to finish my point in 223, they don't need to hit Hawaii, only show they can reach it. 

Frankly, I'd be surprised if anything they'd launch would have that kind of accuracy yet, anyway.

228 I assume we have been peeping around for any Nork Golf-class subs with missile launchers running loose in the Atlantic?  Can anyone here see the ocean from NYC?

229 "N. Korea could attack knowing that we would crush them, then we would dump billions and billions to rebuild them out of liberal American guilt, which this administration is full of."

That was a very good movie starring Peter Sellers, called "The Mouse that Roared".

@180-  funny shite, meng.

230 222 Why not use the airborne laser to melt the thing as it is lifting off?

Because Scotty is still trying to repair the warp drive and hasn't recharged the phaser banks yet.

231

Posted by: Vmaximus at June 18, 2009 03:40 PM (sA5Gz)

There's only one ABL aircraft and I don't think it's been put into service yet.

232

While its true the Norks can hold South Korea hostage by the threat of artillery attack, that threat loses its value if they actually do it, since that would signal the start of a war that would result in the Norks being occupied and the Kim regieme overthrown.  That is, IF the Norks believe that the US and South Korea would do that.

As for this threat, the proper US response should be to shoot it down, then test-detonate a nuke off the North Korean coast, and let Kim and co. wonder about how crazy WE are.

Of course, knowing Obama, he will do nothing except ask the Kim how much money he wants.

233 Kinda figured a US city would burn after 2008. Didn't think it would be Honolulu, though.

234 @193

idiot, that wasn't me...it was a pathetic sock.
Posted by: palin steele (the only non-partisan on AoSHQ) at June 18, 2009 03:24 PM (VDj74)

It is awfully hard to tell the difference between people making deliberating stupid comments as you and your, you know, actual comments.

235 If Opussy doesn't order our military to take that fucking missile out in a show of our defense prowess, there's no fucking hope for this country. That Elvis haired psycho-midget should witness his cute little missle get disintegrated as soon as it's a few miles off his shoreline. Goodfucking grief.

236 @Roadking:

The effects in the ionosphere last for a while and will have bad effects on any satellite that passes through the field.  We could be liable for every LEO satellite that acts up whose orbit happens to pass over the area of effect, not to mention the damage our own satellites will incur.  Think of each of our KH-12 satellites as a Hubble Space Telescope aimed at Earth -- all transmission is now digital, and while the circuits may be hardened against EMP the birds are tens of millions of dollars a piece, "hardening" doesn't mean "completely resistant to", and we'll be using as many as possible to keep an eye on the NorKs.  Civilian satellites like SPOT will also be hired out, will also fly through the area, and also get torched.  It's not worth going blind to make a minimal difference.

There are other EMP-like weapons in design that have a much more limited effect and are not nuclear.  We really don't want to set the precedent that it's okay to use an EMP, because when the first one pops over Kansas we'll be in a much bigger world of hurt than anyone.  We waited to launch our Corona program recon sats until the Russians had launched Sputnik and therefore declared the international limit of territory to be the edge of space.  I don't think a real nuclear EMP is as controllable as we want, and while it's not the NorKs who are likely to launch one, it may be within the capabilities of the Iranians to do so within a decade.  It is already within the capability of the Russians and Chinese to do so.

237

Five months? Maybe it's time to let a baby learn to soothe itself when it wakes up in the middle of the night.

Warden, a baby doesn't have that ability. Many adults don't. Ever wake up and find yourself unable to return to sleep? It's like that, except a lot more scary for a baby, especially one left to sleep alone.

Crying isn't meant to irritate. It's all they can manage when what they're trying to say is, "I'm afraid."

A parent who answers with nothing will get his, eventually -- when the kid grows up to neglect him right back.

238 Yes, but Biden told us go gird our loins because we would not like Obama's actions due to the test.  Problem is Obama HAS NO FUCKING REACTIONS.  Our loins have been prematurely girded.

239

Ace,

 

why would you even think that obama's approach would work?  It is the same approach that hitler and chamberlain used.  The only way to deal with NK is isolate and if they continue then you take them out.  or you give into their demands.  Those are your three options you only options.  Bush and Clinton tried the isolate approach.   both ended up giving into their demands.  with a couple of face saving gestures from the northk.  So we are down to 2 options.  

 

A new korea war will make Iraq look like the lightweight battle it was.  We are talking 4,000 deaths an HOUR not over 4 years.

 

Obama by ignoring the sit like chamberlain made things 100 times worse.  At least by isolating and working with NK  we kept them from escalation.  You ignore a crying spoiled child the child will not stop until he passes out or until it becomes painful for the child to continue on his course. 

 

240

I agree with the risk of an EMP attack, but hey any forceful action will have a problematic outcome and most of them end up with ful scale ground war.

Since this is a smart military blog, there are plenty of non-nuclear EMP options. This is from the Taiwan Defense Review:

Taiwan Developing HPM Weapon
- January 12, 2006
Taiwan is actively working on non-nuclear, electro-magnetic pulse (EMP) weapon or "E-Bomb". Conceptual design has already been completed, and the program is now in the demonstration and validation phase. The E-Bomb can be used to permanently destroy or paralyze the electronic system components and circuitry of enemy C³I systems, without causing human casualties. In response to the significant progress in non-nuclear EMP weapons made by the Chinese military, Taiwan began implementing an EMP defense program several years ago, known as Hu Mai ("Pulse Protection"), to provide shielding for important military electronic systems. However, passive protection is only a small part of the Hu Mai effort. Taiwan is also developing its own electronic attack capabilities under the program. Since Taiwan has a no-nuclear policy, the military has completely rejected nuclear-generated EMP options. Instead, the military is developing a tactical EMP weapon by borrowing the U.S. Mk84 non-nuclear EMP bomb concept. A prototype will be ready within a few years, with effective radius from several meters up to several hundred meters. The EMP weapon may be fitted to indigenous cruise missiles to conduct surprise attacks, and ROC Air Force F-16s could be the principal delivery platform for such munitions. (Liberty Times, 12/19/2005)

241 Methos: Wreck their commo with an orbital nuke, and JDAM their atty. We know where they all are by now.

The NORK air force is a joke.

The only thing holding our military back is the person 52% of the public have given command authority to.

242 @206:

Yes, you are completely correct.  Their development timeline may be appreciably shortened by help from others -- but even Pakistan has yet to test anything more than a boosted-fission weapon based on yield.  The Paks have not shown the ability to make and detonate a true fission-fusion-fission, "two-stage" or "hydrogen" bomb.

The difference between "boosted fission" (plutonium core with deuterium and tritium injected before detonation, meaning more neutrons and more efficient plutonium fission) and a two-stage bomb is huge.  It's why the US W80 nuclear weapon is 13" in diameter, can be fired from a torpedo tube and is 20x more powerful than the Little Boy.  The difference in yield is up to 10x, the B61 nuclear bomb the US uses on airplanes can be set to yields of 1kt (primary fission), 150kt (boosted fission), or 1 megaton (full yield).  The blast of a conventional fission bomb would affect an area about the size of Denver's airport, a megaton bomb is something far, far more dangerous.

Nobody wants a nuke thrown at them, but the NorKs fizzled their first try, it's a long leap to believe they are ready to make a weaponized, deliverable system after one test.  We were able to do that because we had a delivery system (the B-29) that was more technologically advanced than the bomb itself, and complete air dominance.  They don't even have a delivery system.  Copying a Pak boosted-fission device and having it go off once doesn't mean the next one will work, and if you're to the point of firing a nuke at a country that can bounce the rubble of yours ten times over, it had better work. 

This is why nuclear test bans favor the United States -- nobody else has had the testing time that we and the USSR (and British, French and Chinese) have had, so the barrier to entry in the nuclear weapons game is very high.  We know ours work.  The new guys, not so much.

243 Kim Jong Il- Ha, ha Obama! I raunch ship wiff nukes & will send forf of Jur-eye fireworks to Hawaii.

Obama- Aim for the records office or I will return your iPod & dvds.

...

Top story on CNN? Johm Kerry responding to John McCain's criticism of Obama's Iran statements & is Obama overexposed (follow up on Mahr/ ABC infomercial)

244 ps: We saw those ATM vids you made over in Hot Air comments.

If you want to be allowed to service us, you need to only pull the train here, and not everywhere else in town.

245

it may be within the capabilities of the Iranians to do so within a decade.

Current estimates put that around 2015. See Jane's DN.

246 The only thing holding our military back is the person 52% of the public have given command authority to.

Posted by: Kristopher at June 18, 2009 04:08 PM (EqbaN

and of course 1.5billion chinamen  or are you forgetting that china and the USa fought over Korea in the 50's?

 

 

247 I doubt the ChiComs would go all in if the NorKs decided to start a war. A lot has changed since the Korean War.

248

Palin Steele is frequently sock-puppeted here for the purpose of ridicule. Too many people are responding to the sockpuppets as if they are real.  If it's the real stooge and not a sarcastic sockpuppet, the signature line code will be (VDj74).   Mnemonic:  He has VD.

Well to be fair the sockpuppets don't really say stuff that is really much dumber than what the real palin steele says.  Afterall claiming a nuclear weapon won't work isn't that much dumber than claiming no popular uprising has toppled a tyrant regime.  Since easily provable as happening.  palin steele went running away like a coward from that thread though.  Just like he always does when he's getting his ass so thoroughly handed to him even he can't delude himself into thinking he's doing well.

By the way palin steele.  Go comment at Daily Kos or Democratic Underground if you to complain about echo chambers you pathetic stupid child.

249

Warden, a baby doesn't have that ability.

Mine did. He slept through the night perfectly after we let him cry one out (after checking to make sure he didn't need changed ...etc). He just needed to learn that he could do it.

Guess we'll have to disagree.

250 China is not going to start WWIII over Kim, especially if he starts the war.

As long as we don't stay there, and allow them to set up a sane puppet in his place, they'll lump it.

251 @213

The 49th Missile Defense Battalion is not under Gov. Palin's command.  They're in a Regular Army chain of command, based out of Colorado and part of Space Command, because they are on permanent active duty.  This was pretty well researched during the campaign.

(Unfortunately) she couldn't order them to do anything any more than she could give orders to an ANG group on active duty in Iraq.

252 I miss the days when openly threatening the US with a missle attack would result in said country finding out if their bimb shelters & evacustion systems work.

Heck, I would settle for this being a news story...

wait... BREAKING NEWS!!!... Bush disagrees with Obama's policies!

253 @241  The Nork air force, like pretty much anyone compared to us (except the Israelis cause they use our stuff and overclock it), is a joke.  Their artillery isn't.  I,m not sure we have enough JDAMs in the arsenal to get them all.  We certainly don't have enough planes to get them all before Seoul is a smoking ruin.

If I had to make the choice between Seoul and Honolulu, I'd protect our own first.  But we need to be aware that there will be consequences.

254 Warden: A lot of native tribes also did that, only give a baby attention after he/she quiets down. Simple operant conditioning ... make lots of pointless noise, get no attention.

As long as you make sure nothing is really wrong, I agree, it does no harm.

255 I doubt the ChiComs would go all in if the NorKs decided to start a war. A lot has changed since the Korean War.

Posted by: UofC Conservative at June 18, 2009 04:13 PM (3FkM/)

 

Why not.  They will not want the USa on its border.  Their economy is in the dumps due to the recession trade is down.  They have a growing internal problem of unemployment.  War tends to solve alot of internal problems.  Plus it will give them a chance to settle the tawain issue once and for all.  We have no manufactruring so china can ramp up and leave us in the dust by the time things settle down Tawain, Korea, will be in china's camp.  Jampan will be like Britian to the germans in 1941.  Will the japaneese hold out?   Unless the USA and china want to trade nuclear warheads a Chineese push would put he entire eastern pacific in china' pocket.  and a new world order would result.  russia would sit out and advance on eastern europe and gerorgia.  and west would be powerless.  within 6 months USa will be a defeated nation.

 

256 It's all they can manage when what they're trying to say is, "I'm afraid."

Or "It's 3AM, I'm bored, somebody get up and amuse me."

Do you have kids?  If the baby cries, quick check, close the door, and back to bed.

257 Methos: There are always consequences for any choice. Doing nothing is also an choice for which there are consequences.

I don't think were are disagreeing here.

258 China is not going to start WWIII over Kim, especially if he starts the war.

As long as we don't stay there, and allow them to set up a sane puppet in his place, they'll lump it.

Posted by: Kristopher at June 18, 2009 04:15 PM (EqbaN

 

that's what McAuther thought too.  He was wrong and so are you

259 @250:

Agree.  They don't want a border with South Korea, but more than that they don't want responsibility for the North Korean people.  That is the crux of the problem: nobody in the West (or the Westernized Asian nations) wants to take over the care and feeding of 20 million indoctrinated communist skeletons.  Therefore, nobody really wants to fight, because nobody wants the responsibility of winning.  "Taking over" North Korea would drop SK's per capita GDP by a huge amount, they might have been enthusiastic for reunification before East and West Germany got back together, but seeing what it cost the Germans I don't believe they want to do that.  It would be a massive act of altruism for them to agree to do so.

260

full shock-and-awe decapitating strike on the entire North Korean military, government, and command and control apparatus. 72 hours of bombing every government building, every military HQ, and every artillery piece into oblivion.

Imo, no chance whatsoever of that happening as long as these things keep landing in the water. No way in hell that Southside Jesus will take the slightest military action until after some Nork tantrum actually kills somebody. None. Zip . Nada. And as freaky as it will obviously sound to Ace and the gang, it might have to be that way.

We cant pound the Norks coz their rockets are aimed in the direction of western targets but fall into the sea. As a military matter popping them to retard their ability to keep making weapons may be entirely defensible. From a practical matter with The Fly Swatter in the WH, it is absolutely not going to happen.

261 While its true the Norks can hold South Korea hostage by the threat of artillery attack, that threat loses its value if they actually do it, since that would signal the start of a war that would result in the Norks being occupied and the Kim regieme overthrown.  That is, IF the Norks believe that the US and South Korea would do that.

I think we should only push the North Koreans back to their side of the border, otherwise we may jeopardize the coalition.

262

"What?  We don't have anything to do with Hawaii; we're America.  They . . . _{oh yeah."}

 

263 Unseen: It wouldn't be an even trade.

We might lose some of the West coast ( and yes, I live there ), but only if we didn't strike first on warning.

China would be a radioactive desert, regardless.

I think this is all moot ... this wouldn't be happening if we had a POTUS with ANY amount of spine ... even Hillary.

264

nuke the site from orbit, its the only way to be sure.

265
After this one, I'll pay them to not fire missles at Hawaii. I am such a smart negotiator I got can get them for less than I paid ACORN.

Took your mind off the economy, didn't it?

Suckers.

266

Posted by: Darren at June 18, 2009 04:22 PM (PntkJ)

 

Or it could be that every inch of Seoul is laid on the norths firing grid, the 5000 pounds of chemical weapons, the biological weapons , the nuclear weapons.   Defeating North Korea if the people support the regime would cost thousands if not hundreds of thousands of lives both military and civilian.  It would also cause two superpowered nuclear armed counties to face off.  now if we would have kept china out of the WTO, not sent all of our jobs over there and gave them all of our secrets we would have more options to deal with Nkorea.  But Cklinton and bush made sure our potential enemies had all the lastest weapons and intel and manufacturing ability to face us down. 

 

 

267    #188 Do WE ever shoot missiles at other nations for shits and giggles?

Brilliant! 

268 We might lose some of the West coast ( and yes, I live there ), but only if we didn't strike first on warning.

China would be a radioactive desert, regardless.

I think this is all moot ... this wouldn't be happening if we had a POTUS with ANY amount of spine ... even Hillary.

Posted by: Kristopher at June 18, 2009 04:25 PM (EqbaN)

 

that is kind of my point.  Of course with a bush in the WH China wouldn't attack.  but with a weak leader, one that wants to scrap our nuclear weapons?  The mind will start working and say if he wants to get rid of the nuclear weapons what chance will he use one in war?  5% ?less?  And if the USA is not going to use its nuclear arsenal to defend Japan and Tawain and South K  then why not just take it.

 

In fact i would not be surprised if china is not pusjhing Kim to see Obama's reactions.

269 @unseen:

Yes, MacArthur miscalculated but this is not 1950 and we have much better relations with China than we ever did back then.  From a Chinese perspective, US troops were marching to their border and the US and Communist China really, really didn't like each other considering we had backed Chiang Kai-Shek.  Not to mention that the Chinese had 14 years of foreign ownership under the Japanese from 1931-1945, and weren't interested in seeing if we were better masters.  Kim Il-Sung was a Russian puppet at the beginning of his career, not a Chinese one, and the split between Russian and Chinese Communists was as nasty as the split between the West and Communism.  At the time, China was helping a communist ally, an ally that was a client state of their great benefactor the USSR.  Now he's the crazy uncle with a gun and a half-empty bottle of gin at the family reunion.  The thing to not rile is Chinese nationalism, and I believe there are multiple options that end without the KJI regime in charge that do not provoke Chinese nationalism.

Those who remember history and ignore interval changes are often surprised when things don't repeat. We have trillions of dollars that are hostages, their economy would not long withstand the loss of their largest market and much of their foreign currency holdings.  The US does not have as much manufacturing as it once had, because in 1945 we were the only un-bombed industrial economy.  The ability to regenerate that remains here, and while it would dent our standard of living it would not destroy us as a country.

270 people do not want to see.  china is not our friend.  they are our geopolitical rivial.  they will do what is in THEIR best interest not the best interest of the USA. 

271

And these liberal cocksucking faggots were screaming bloody murder over Reagan's missile defense initiative. Would be nice to have that shield now wouldn't it you stupid liberal shitstains?  

On a side note, the America hating propagandists in the media need to have their faces smashed in.

272 Unseen: Exactly.

Teh Zero ain't going to do nothing. If Japan doesn't cowboy up Real Soon Now, they had all best be learning Mandarin.

273 Why would them firing a missile at us on July 4th anger President Bullshit? Now, if it were to occur during Ramadan, the Norks will witness the firepower of this fully armed and operational battlestation.

274

You seem to go for longevity and low maintenance. You can probably get a great deal on a Toyota Corolla or Honda Civic that's just a few years old. Those two models are low maintenance, have great build quality and should last you another 20 years.
Thanks, hutch.  Also what I look for in a man. 

And no, Garth, I don't want a Pinto.  It makes me think of Animal House.

275

 Darren at June 18, 2009 04:36 PM (PntkJ)

 

while somethings have changed some have not.  we still defend Tawain which is where Chiang Kai-Shek retreated too.  china nationalism is very strong unlike in the USA where it is cool to hate your country.  china has much more influence on north K.  In fact some say they never really left after the armistice.  that kim is while not a puppet of china, listens to china's wish with a very tentitive ear. 

China is facing the same economic problems the rest of the world is.  The dollars it controls will be as good in europe as it is in the USA.  china can divest if they need too.  

since nixon the country club reps have had blinders on when it comes to china.

276 I haven't been paying attention.  Has anyone blamed Bush yet?

277 Re: Seoul

The South Koreans have lived under those guns for decades.  They probably have several ideas about how to deal with them.  A friend of mine was an Army medic in Korea in the 1970s, the border is more porous than you would imagine and the minefields well-mapped.  ROK SF units will be on those hills with sapper charges BEFORE any US-led attack, and with Predators, F-16s and B-52s filled with SDBs their firing holes will be closed rather quickly.  You don't have to destroy the gun, just the door.  After that, the gun is pretty useless.

A nuclear artillery shell is even more complex in its own way than an ICBM warhead.  It's simple, and inefficient, but it has to take something like 5000g of forces on launching without detonating, and then go off on impact.  I would put that one at the back of your mind in terms of concern.

Chemical weapons are not as deadly as you would think, and biologicals less so if you are prepared for them.  The main concern will be flying steel from thousands of 152mm conventional artillery shells, and that would be bad.  OTOH, the affected areas could be evacuated if there was escalation without necessarily inciting fire from North Korea.  At most, the longest-range artillery they have would reach 40 miles from their side of the border.  Once those guns are silenced, then it's rocket artillery like FROG launchers that need to be dealt with, and as soon as they fire they will get a Hellfire enema since we can fly Predators, Reapers and Ravens with impunity.  When those are gone, you're down to what can reach 10 or 15 miles, and the target list drops pretty quickly after that.

Will it be bad?  Yes.  Will it be destructive?  Yes.  But inaction has already cost the lives of millions of Koreans, and will continue to cost the lives of Koreans.  Sins of omission are still sins, not just the commisson ones.  I am not saying "Get into a war with North Korea no matter what the South Koreans think," but if someone is so stupid as to launch a nuke at the US, successful detonation or no they have sown the whirlwind, and not even Barack the Peacemaker can stop the US from destroying a threat like that.  We don't need UN backing to stop an true, demonstrated existential threat.

278

He slept through the night perfectly after we let him cry one out

Learning to accept abandonment is not the same as learning to "soothe oneself."

279

Learning to accept abandonment is not the same as learning to "soothe oneself."

Dude, you're a clown.

280 Jeebezus! I spending the morning tooling around SoCal enjoying the sunshine and come back to find out that
WE'RE. ALL. GONNA'. DIE.
Cripes!

281 Do you even fucking have kids?

282 Oh well, I guess we'll just have 56 states, LOL!

283 With any luck, it will make a splash creating some great big surf moment for Obama to hang 10 on...

Seems like a photoshop job with Obama hanging 10 would be easier, but then as with Scare Force One, the Teleprompter in Chief spares no expense to do it his way...   57, 50, or 49 states, what's the diff, give or take a few trillion here or there?  

284 I have 3 children.  As many of you know, my baby just graduated from high school.  I used to look forward to grandchildren.  Ever since November, I have found myself relieved I don't have grandchildren so I don't have to worry about their future (I worry enough about my grown-up kids).  Thank you, Mr. President, for making America such a nice, peaceful nation that I fear the future you are creating for us.  Thank you, 52%, you brain-dead imbiciles.  I hope you can live with yourselves.   I hope your children and grandchildren don't have to suffer because of your stupidity and selfishness.

285 Being a smart military blog, does anybody have an opinion on how best to gird your loins?  Kevlar for blast?  Metal and a ground for EMP?   Perhaps a loin girding manual is in order.  Perhaps a stimulous grant is in order to fund one.

286 North Korea Tests Young, Inexperienced, Confused Apathetic and Disoriented Narcissistic President for Life By Threatening Missile Launch on Hawaii on July 4th
FIFY.

287

While Michael Rittenhouse raises an interesting point on the whole soothing/abandonment issue (of national importance during this time of possible nuclear war), I think I'm with Warden on this one, though I might agree with Rittenhouse, IF the kid never cried again, even when in obvious distress.  That's not what happens, though.  You let 'em cry it out once so they learn that every time they wake up they don't have to be soothed back to sleep.  After that, they still cry their heads off whenever they are in true distress, and Mom and Dad still come to the rescue and solve the problem. 

Back to the point of the thread:  Morally, and considering the history of the last 59 years, the only correct decision is to take out the NorK government by any means necessary, immediately, and try to save as many of the unfortunate citizens of NorK as possible after the government is gone.  There is no worse place on earth.

288 The Nokos wouldn't have tried this shit before January 20th when the U.S.A. had a President instead of a community organizer.

289

You let 'em cry it out once so they learn that every time they wake up they don't have to be soothed back to sleep

Well, that's what normal people understand.

Rittenhouse thinks babies aren't "capable" of soothing themselves ... even though the simple act of observing a baby stick a binkie in its mouth when its upset proves him wrong.

 

290 Palin Steele, don't you ever get tired of having your stupid @ss chewed off here with your idiotic comments?  Does Axelrod really pay that well?

Does mommy ever ask you why you have to stand up at her computer instead of sitting down on the chair with the pretty seat cushion she's made you with the 'my little ponies' on it?

291 1. Rittenhouse is wrong.
Kids that are constantly coddled and held turn into little head-cases that can't deal with the real world. Suggesting that letting a kid cry it out is neglect is a sure sign that you have never raised a kid, or were somehow able to go without sleep for years at a time.

2. If the baby is clean, dry, fed, watered, warm, snuggled and hugged regularly during non-sleep hours, and not in pain....
He or she is just crying to get attention.

3. Kids can be little assholes just to be little assholes sometimes. Anyone who doesn't think so believes in hopenchange unicorn shit cotton-candy Skittles.

292 And I think that if Oballess lets a ballistic missile get launched over Japan toward the state of Hawaii, even with the SPAM thing, it is an act of treason and a breach of his Presidential Oath to protect and defend this country.
Failure to use every weapon in our arsenal to stop that missile is a dereliction of duty and an act of personal cowardice.

I believe that it would be legal and moral at that point to require him to leave office or be relieved of his command of the Armed forces until his impeachment was decided.

Unprecedented, but I believe warranted in that scenario.

293 Does Axelrod really pay that well?

All the bags of Cheetos and Starbucks a troll can consume.  Pretty good deal if you're an imbecile who couldn't otherwise get a real job.

294 Wow. Actual irony. The citizens of Hawaii vote overwhelmingly for native son Obama who appears prepared to do nothing to protect them.

295

It permits -- nay, it demands -- a strongly-worded letter and a serious diplomatic snubbing.

 

Would that be in the form of a fortune cookie?  Yeah, I know ... that's fukkin Chinese ... But it IS the Obama Admin. and State Department ...

296

I'm not sure the Flaming Skull is should be employed for stories which involve strongly-worded condemnation or "deep concern."  A flaming version of the New Yorker's mascot with the monocle and top hat (Percy? Pinch Sr.?) would be far more appropriate.  You'd also get the added bonus of outrage from using a revered icon of the Left.  And if there are copyright issues, maybe a flaming John Kerry coif could substitute. 

297 It we all chipped in, could North Korea afford a missile to reach San Francisco? 

298 the immediate consequence of an american invasion/bombing would be an immediate and (unfortunately) unstoppable blasting of Seoul. You can argue for our military's competence all you want, it is the best in the world - HOWEVER - There is absolutely NO WAY to prevent it, so calling for an attack will mean the assured destruction of an entire South Korean city and casualties in the area of some, oh, hundreds of thousands of lives.

So good call on that, you fucking moron

299 It should come as little surprise that Obama seems to have little interest in foreign affairs. He's so immersed in the Balkanization of America, and the brass ring of statist rule is so close at hand he can almost snatch it with his teeth. The ultimate prize that he's been groomed all his life to arrogantly accept is at hand. Decisively diffusing grave matters of national interest on an international level must seem so paltry and insignificant to the true revolutionary.

300

And we all know what Obama would do in reaction to a NK missile attack - blame Bush and America while setting up a meeting with Kim. Sheesh, why is it every day provides at least one reason why that little moron shouldn't have been elected? Again, say what you will about McCain, but I doubt NK would've pulled this crap under him.

"The citizens of Hawaii vote overwhelmingly for native son Obama who appears prepared to do nothing to protect them."

Yeah, usually that just goes for the states that went McCain's way.

301 also good to see people like Erikthered injection some logic here.. just to run through it again

The North Koreans have spent DECADES honing hundreds, if not THOUSANDS OF ARTILLERY PIECES on a STATIONARY TARGET:  a city full of civilians who are held hostage - and there is NO WAY to prevent their deaths in a war scenario. War means that these hundreds of thousands of people WILL, INEVITABLY, DIE.

stop sabre rattling you dumb fucks

302 Quick.....

Time for another 60 Minutes puff piece!

303 stop sabre rattling you dumb fucks

Cut back on the caffeine, Mr.-Never-seen-your-ass-here-before-fuckwit.

304 The go-light for an attack on North Korea will come from South Korea, short of damage to American lives or a live nuke launched at us. I don't believe anyone here thinks otherwise.

That being the case, does North Korea start shooting if the ROK starts evacuating northern Seoul? No hostages, no threat. This would be their final clue to consider their next action very carefully. Would they really start shooting just because people started moving away? We might find out.

And it is definitely possible to overstate the damage that the DPRK can inflict, and the effectiveness and control over their forces. They can't shoot forever, they must be resupplied at some point. Fixed emplacements just save us the trouble of burying their gun crews. Not every gun crew has a long-range heavy-caliber artillery piece with rocket-assisted projectiles to reach downtown Seoul, and it's not as if the DPRK hasn't been caught overstating their capabilities. If the number of tubes is based on ROK estimates, they probably have a good reason for that estimate -- like knowing where the tubes are. It's not as if the ROK doesn't have counter-battery fire, like MLRS (with a longer range), and it's not as if one Excaliber shell couldn't kill one firing position with every pull of the cannon.

Like I said, under most scenarios the ROK will have the last word. We have 28,000 troops there, they have 49 million. But if KJI or his son or DPRK generals push them far enough they may go right ahead and put thousands at risk so millions can live without fear. Governments do that from time to time.

305 It permits -- nay, it demands -- a strongly-worded letter and a serious diplomatic snubbing.

And this is why I keep coming back here.  ;-)

306

You've got to love all that KJI is doing for us Missile Defense supporters.

Keep it up you ridiculous little coxucker!

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308 24 folks...nothing to see here

NK is threatening to shoot a missle 'towards' hawaii

well, if you shoot anything, it will be always 'towards' some country.

this is one of those 'catchy' but ridiculous headlines

Posted by: palin steele (the only non-partisan on AoSHQ) at June 18, 2009 02:26 PM (VDj74)

Wow, that's some trenchant insight right thurr...

I imagine that defence would work about as well as waving around a gun randomly in an inner city precinct and then telling the cops that it's okay cos wherever I fired it would be "towards" someone.. Yep, can see that one working.

By the way, how old are you? You seem very naive.

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310 Christ on a crutch - I just sent my youngest daughter (all of 20) back home to Kauai, where my mother and brother also live and this fucking idiot in the white house doesn't even react to the fact that missles may head in their direction, I can say that if something happens to my family, it's ON!  Granted I have other kids and step kids serving in the military and I fear for them with the grand fucking moron in charge - but that's my baby trying to start a life and because he is too big a pussy to even say anything about North Korea (or any other enemy) she's at risk.  For God's sake my father fought in Korea - how can they still be threatening us....I AM SO ANGRY I CAN'T SEE STRAIGHT!!!!!

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