1

http://tinyurl.com/kugog8

Buckeye fans are everywhere. 

2

Bueller?

3 Note: Had to delete the old post. It got balky when I was editing it and adding new stuff. A few comments were lost, unfortunately.

Glad to see you're finally getting with the program.

Off with their comments, I say!

4 was it something I said?

5
If we've learnd anything, it's that millions of Muslims have nothing better to do than protest. They'll get their rage on and hit the streets to protest, well, anything. Especially the young ones.

Most of those protesters in Iran don't want change or reform. I'll even bet that some of them couldn't pick out Moussavi in a line-up. They're there because they are rabble in the constant need for rousing.

6
By the way, Obama again told the world today that he intends to end the "bubbles and bursts" and risk to investors in the finacial markets.

In other words, Obama is going to regulate capitalism. Iran is the least of our worries, right now.

7 Present!

8 5
If we've learnd anything, it's that millions of Muslims have nothing better to do than protest. They'll get their rage on and hit the streets to protest, well, anything. Especially the young ones.

I think that applies to Lakers fans as well.

9 Obama doesn't want regime change. It fucks up his plan. Read Fred Kagan in the WaPo today. He lays out in smart words what I've been saying all along..Obama's only point here is, 'kill however many of these people as you need, but put someone in place so we can start negotiating'.

Instability is Obama's enemy here.

It's fucking disgusting he's willing to pass up the best chance the Iranians have had in years for regime change so he doesn't have to change his plan.

Mousavi isn't Thomas Jefferson but we were never going to get that. Changing the direction of the Muslim world will take decades, this is the chance not to get to the end but spin the wheel and see if we can move a few steps down the road.

Revolutions are funny things, you never know what will come out of them, we should gamble here (it's not like we could do worse).

10

Since Ahmadinejad owes his ascent to support from the military-security establishment, any split in the Guard and its allied organs could spell trouble now.

 

Isn't this why Hamas had to be called in?

11 Caption - Obama has no comment.

12 I'm sure this has been said in other threads before but ...
This is a what a test looks like

I'm not confident Obama will get a passing grade on this...

13 and who do you think you have to thank for the iranian resistance movement...Barack Obama.

many people have attributed to the recent courageous stand by iran's citizens as a result of the inspiring speech Obama gave at Cairo.

Sometimes soft power can start a flame that an army cannot even accomplish.

14

Obama doesn't want regime change. It fucks up his plan. Read Fred Kagan in the WaPo today. He lays out in smart words what I've been saying all along..Obama's only point here is, 'kill however many of these people as you need, but put someone in place so we can start negotiating'.

Instability is Obama's enemy here.

Yeah, I really think Obama was hoping to be known as being the President to normalize relations with Iran.  That was his goal for foreign policy cred in this term, proving that talking is the way to go and the idea of the Big Stick remains with Teddy Roosevelt.

15 #12 Obama get a passing grade on this? you have got to be joking. When has Obama got a passing grade on anything he has ever passed as Law?

16 O/T:  glenn beck has a reporter stationed outside the "Acorn 50th anniversary bash", if anything, it's funny, the guy is in a tux and he bought a red carpet at IKEA and he is waiting to film the party goers.  Guess MO and BO will be honored guests?

17 Let's see, George Bush removed Iran's greatest external threat, and provided them with an example of democracy next door, and dinner jacket stole the election in a manner obvious to everyone outside the White House.  But palin steele thinks a few weak words by Chicago Nobody started the revolution.

Question, when Obama's inaction gets all these people killed, will you still claim credit for him?

18 The irony of all this is that regular people who really don't pay attention are starting to say "why isn't he doing anything?"    A big lib today said "guess democracy is catching".   Hmm now whose idea was that?

19

I'm glad the NYT and all are partially covering this, but....

 

No Tea Party coverage?

 

Hypocrisy, thy name is MSM.

 

20

#15,

you might want to reread #12.  He doesn't believe Obama will get a passing grade.

21 methos...its not me saying this uprising is partly due to being emboldened by Obama's cairo speech. its iranians who are revolting who are claiming that..but you know better, riiiiight?

22 Walpin is on Glenn Beck.

23

#14 Obama is so stupid he thinks he's smart. Since when has any sucess in the middle East that lasted longer than 5 years. All have tried and failed.

24 Once it becomes clear which side will be victorious, only then will Barry come out to give support. 

If it looks like the Mullah's are winning, Barry will say something like Moussavi was "confused" and "disoriented." If on the other hand, the protesters win, Barry will claim full credit for creating peace in our time.

How lucky the world is to be have been given this Glorious Leader who is shrewd enough to hedge his bets down to the wire.

25
...yet no one can quote any 'inspiring' lines from the speech in Cairo. Or any of Obama's speeches.

All of Obama's speeches are the same damned standard speech. Not a single extraordinary or profound utterance in any of them.

26 OK, thats a troll, NOBODY is that stupid, without doing it on purpose.

27 #20 thanks for the correction.  I stand corrected.

28 If Mousavi pulls this off, he’ll have two revolutions to his credit: the 1979 Islamic Revolution and its 2009 counterpart, which certainly beats stoning women to death.

29 I blame Bush.

30
I'm going to make Obama Comemorative Plates for his epic speech in Cairo. The inspiring speech which inspired the people of Iran to aspire to protest inspiration.

31

 

Sometimes soft power can start a flame that an army cannot even accomplish.

 

Soft power goes well with a soft brain. So do silly pointless statements.

Soft power is akin to a soft erection.

 

 

32 palin steele, would you care to cite that claim?  All I've seen is that they're near begging for some show of support from Obama, which kind of suggests the Cairo speech didn't really do it for them.

And even then, do you really believe the revolt would be happening if dinner jacket hadn't stolen the election in a manner that was obvious to everyone?  Bush set the necessary conditions for the event, but the mullahs' incompetence triggered the revolt.

Or are you referring to the regime's complaints about American interference?

33
Obama had more stern words for FoxNews than the violence in Iran.

34

I blame Bush.

Obama is just trying to fix it.

Wait, what are we talking about again?

35 Yes, Palin Steele, not mentioning the Iranian people in his Cairo speech inspired them to action.

Also, not mentioning them for three days after this began also inspired them.

And then, seeming to support the mullahs by hedging and caveats inspired them still further.

The man is an inspiration, even when silent.

And even when he's not showing power, soft or any other kind, he's in fact showing the greatest power of all -- LOVE.

36

OK, thats a troll, NOBODY is that stupid, without doing it on purpose.

Yes, he's doing it on purpose and it's becoming tedious and too cute by half.

P.S. we're not really your friends.  Go bore someone else.  And stop wagging your tail at me, I'm telling you to get lost.

37

Obama had more stern words for FoxNews than the violence in Iran.

---#33 Unicles, FTW

38
Obama likes debate, bi-partisanship, and bringing all sides together. Except for FoxNews...and anyone else who criticizes him.

39 Soft Power = Limp Dick Diplomacy.

40 OMG, Glenn Beck is giving Walpin the insanity test, it is funny.

41 Obama speaks softly and carries a big bitch.

42 Hey, don't accept Palin Steele's premise and accept that Obama is showing "soft power" here. He's showing none at all.

Reagan's strong rhetorical support of the people of Poland was a demonstration of soft power.

Obama is mostly silent, and when he's not silent, he's equivocal, and also keeps telling the Iranians it doesn't matter to him who's president.

That is not "soft power" for a good purpose. That is using soft power, if at all, to prop up a failing and evil regime in its moment of crisis.

43 I'm pretty confident Obama will find a way to wind up on the wrong side of this no matter what, further honing his and clueless Joe's images as "world class" statesmen.

44 Beck is giving this guy Walpin a test! 

45
Yikes! Glenn Beck is not doing Mr Walpin any favors with this dog & pony show.

46 Walpin has some incredible sense of humor, the kind of humor you have to think about and then you laugh.  I like him.

47

How delicious would the schadenfreude be if the Iraq war wound up being, in any way, responsible for this?

48 Ace, did it ever cross your mind that people in other countries look at what is happening to your country and mine and conclude that liberal democracy is fail? Because it is fail. You want to impose our fail on Iran - that's not cricket, old chap, they don't want it and rightfully so.

I know what you're thinking: liberal democracies are affluent and have free speech (actually they don't, pal) and free elections (ha) and such - you're crediting the rooster with the sunrise. Those are Anglo-Saxon things and Western European things, not liberal democracy things per se. It is people, not pieces of paper or principles, which comprise a country.

In any case, what fucking business is it of yours what is happening in Iran? It's inherently imperialist to give a shit, really, they're a sovereign state and your country has fucked them over - by fucked over I mean deposed democratically elected leaders - enough in the past, give it a rest for fuck's sake.

Final note: you're making white people look bad, the world sees white Americans hellbent for invading Iran and it gives them every justification to say we white people are fucking up the planet. As a citizen of the country with the highest immigration rate in the world, I have to deal with the consequences of that: angry mobs of surly immigrants with a grudge against whitey. Thanks, pal.

49 Sometimes soft power can start a flame that an army cannot even accomplish.

Hmmm, missed that.  Are you claiming that absent an internal revolt, we couldn't unseat the mullahs?  That's going to be news to Hitler and Saddam Hussein.

50 Oh my, did he say that his agency was independent and he didn't have to report to anyone.   Hmm, guess he hasn't seen the new rules

51 I'm a long time Iran watcher. The pony-tailed ukulele player at you-know-where took credit for one of my fauxto-finds from the islamic republic of iran a couple years back. Water over the dam. What is interesting in the photo at the top is how men and women are mixing together in protest. In most 'official' photos at 'official' events men and women are strictly separated. This is a very good sign. If they lose the women all bets are off and O may have picked the wrong side. Though he's trying to plunk his butt in the middle of the fence.

52 Hey, you know, maybe democracy will start catching on here too!

53 "Yes, Palin Steele, not mentioning the Iranian people in his Cairo speech inspired them to action.

Also, not mentioning them for three days after this began also inspired them.

And then, seeming to support the mullahs by hedging and caveats inspired them still further.

The man is an inspiration, even when silent.

And even when he's not showing power, soft or any other kind, he's in fact showing the greatest power of all -- LOVE." - Ace

Oh Ace, you're smarter than that.

Obama's speech main point was that America was seeking a new relationship with Middle East, not one of fear and distrust, but one built on mutual respect.

Obama opened the eyes of many muslims who had only ever seen America as the evil power. They realized that Obama represented a different America, an America that recognizes differences exist between Islam and Western values but nonetheless respects those differences rather than forcing a set of christian values on muslim nations.

This very act of extending an open hand by Obama essentially crushed any credibiltiy dinnerjacket and the mullahs had in calling US a evil empire. Its citizens now no longer had to kowtow to fear and could vote for who they believed would bring Iran to the 21st century.

That, my friend, is how Obama is at the very least, partially responsible for the current uprising in Iran.

54 PS: Canada has a 100% open immigration policy, the lefties in Iran who are butthurt about the re-election of Amad...etc. at least have the option of moving somewhere more conducive to their homosexuality; I don't have that option and neither do you, so fuck em.

55 #52,  "Don't it always seem to go that you don't know what you have till it's gone"

56 My kind of soft power: Buy up severl shiploads of Russian armament and anti- tank and anti-aircraft missiles, a few hundred thousand good used AK-47's and 5-6 million rounds of light armor piercing ammo and secretly deliver them to the debaters across the Iraqi border.

57 In unrelated news we find out that O is a human being and not Buddha.

"PETA is finally going after President Barack Obama for delivering capital punishment to a housefly on the White House grounds yesterday — a death that was caught on tape.

When asked for comment, here’s the statement PETA released:

“He isn’t the Buddha, he’s a human being and human beings have a long way to go before they think before they act.”

58 >>>That, my friend, is how Obama is at the very least, partially responsible for the current uprising in Iran.

Uh-huh. And when he keeps saying that it doesn't matter who's in charge, Mousavi or Ahmadinejad, because both are similar, how is that encouraging the people?

59 Mohamed ElBaradei, the head of the United Nations’ nuclear watchdog agency, said it was his “gut feeling” that Iran’s leaders wanted the technology to build nuclear weapons “to send a message to their neighbors, to the rest of the world: don’t mess with us.”

When someone with a first name of Mohamed starts telling the truth, I have two words for you, "Done deal." They'll probably test shortly on the fault line that runs through Iran and set off some 9.0 earthquake and the U.S. will have to airlift food and a couple billion in humanitarian supplies in the aftermath.

60 "Except for FoxNews...and anyone else who criticizes him."

Its fine to criticize Obama, god knows he's not perfect and has made mistakes...but fox news is a blatant rightwing voicebox that does nothing but bash obama 24/7.

Also, even the liberal MSNBC has a rightwing show (joe scarborough)...whereas Fox has no liberal who has a show. And dont tell me greta or shep are liberals...unless you can show me their liberal beliefs.

61 Nigel, we'd ask if something ever crossed your mind, but we understand that would be impossible.

62 @57,

is that serious lol?

63 Most elections in third world countries are rigged. Nothing new here, really.

64 ace, don't attack palin steele with facts; he's a liberal, he lives in la-la-land, because reality has a well-known right-wing bias.

65 In any case, what fucking business is it of yours what is happening in Iran?

STRAITS. OF. HORMUZ.  Look at a map genius.

66

64 ace, don't attack palin steele with facts; he's a liberal, he lives in la-la-land, because reality has a well-known right-wing bias.

Yeah, but he can switch hands while master-debating and never miss a stroke.

67 "Uh-huh. And when he keeps saying that it doesn't matter who's in charge, Mousavi or Ahmadinejad, because both are similar, how is that encouraging the people?" - Ace

He's saying that, because unlike you and me, he actually has the responsibility to run this nation and face the consequences. He does realize theres a good chance this uprising will be crushed and dinnerjacket will be elected. He still has to be able to have a good relationship with Iran to further America's own goals in the region.

And him saying something inflammatory at this point serves no purpose and may only end in more people getting killed. Unless Obama is willing to send the US army to support the rebellers, then he SHOULD keep his thoughts to himself, as it will in no way help the Iranian citizens.

68

Obama opened the eyes of many muslims who had only ever seen America as the evil power. They realized that Obama represented a different America, an America that recognizes differences exist between Islam and Western values but nonetheless respects those differences rather than forcing a set of christian values on muslim nations.

Unless you have evidence that Obama's speech is a direct cause of this revolution, you are talking out of your ass. 

The American colonists didn't just decide in July 1776 to declare independence, it was the culmination of a process that had been building for 13 years.  Attributing this mass demonstration to a 30 minute speech in Cairo a couple of weeks ago is the height of projection and ignorance.

69 Palin Steele baited me with: "They realized that Obama represented a different America"

The guy's whose first hire was former Israeli soldier Rahm Israel Emmanuel represents hope for Muslims?

The guy - Rahm - who was raised by a man who, when asked if Rahm would have input on the middle east, said "Obviously, he’ll influence the president to be pro-Israel. Why wouldn’t he? What is he, an Arab? He’s not going to be mopping floors at the White House.”? This is the guy who will help matters in the Middle East? Let's ask the American-Arab Anti-Discrimination League what they think of your theory:

"The American‐Arab Anti‐Discrimination Committee  (ADC) views this characterization of an Arab as an  unacceptable smear.  One can readily imagine the  justifiable outcry if someone made a similar remark  about African‐Americans, Jews, or Hispanics, concerning cleaning  the floors of the White House.  Do the normal  standards of decency and civility not apply when  talking about Arabs?"

Don't believe the hype, Palin Steele, this administration is every bit as warmongery as the last one and substantially more pro-Israel, you're being suckered by a meat puppet and an obsequious press which does not have your best interest at heart.

70

Why couldn't this have happened under Bush/Cheney?  We'd have had the CIA shipping in truckloads of AK-47's to the protesters by now.

Instead we have Obama too cowardly to pick a side.  Here's a hint, Obama: whichever side threatens to weaken the current regime, that's the side you favor.  Yes, even if the new guy would be just as big a douche (although that would be almost impossible).

71 That, my friend, is how Obama is at the very least, partially responsible for the current uprising in Iran.

Posted by: palin steele at June 17, 2009 04:45 PM (VDj74)

#1. You're not my friend

#2.  Everything else in that sentence is false too

72 Grape Ape sez: "STRAITS. OF. HORMUZ. Look at a map genius."

So you're saying if Iran is attacked and the uber strategically important s.o.h is effectively blockaded by Iranian Exocet missiles buried in sand that can easily sink aircraft carriers and takers that the world is going to go fucking nuts? Good, we agree.

73 palin steele,

Whatever his rationale, he is NOT using the "soft power" you claim to inspire the revolution. Quite the opposite.

Even if you're right and he's avoiding such comments in order to spare the lives of the resisters, he's STILL attempting to tamp down the revolution, and it is ludicrous hackery on your part to claim that by subverting and undermining the revolutionary fervor he's actually stoking it.

Ridiculous. He's doing one or the other, Palin Steele. You cannot maintain he's both attempting to cool the passions of the resisters while simultaneously encouraging those passions.

What color the skies in your cell?

74 I see Nigel the gay nazi has rejoined his buddy palin steele.  I'm curious what part of the crowds shouting "Death to Dictators" (naming dinner jacket) supports his claim that Iranians don't want freedom.

As for our lack of free speech:
Hey Nigel, get bent you impotent cockholster
That goes for you, too, Obama!

Hmmm that certainly felt free enough.  As for being Imperialist, how overbearing is it of us to respond as private citizens to the rewuests of Iranian dissidents for moral support, even when our feckless leaders are incapable of it?  Is it not better for the Iranian people to engage in regime change, than wait for the invevitable necessity of our doing it?  Or wait for an Israeli retaliation that in the expectations of the mullahs, would end forever the Persian people?

Face it, the real reason you and your buddy palin steele raise such a fuss is that real world events are proving that everything either one of you believe in is shit.  Neither one of you has changed a single mind in your time here.  Neither one of you has had any effect on the world.  And neither one of you ever will.

75 "Don't believe the hype, Palin Steele, this administration is every bit as warmongery as the last one and substantially more pro-Israel, you're being suckered by a meat puppet and an obsequious press which does not have your best interest at heart."

You're wrong nigel. Obama is far more neutral to Israel and Palestine conflict, both in appearance and in actuality. Him having Rahm means shit in terms of being biased. Just like his background as a muslim in no way means he'll give the shaft to the israelis.

Obama takes a realist view of the middle east dilemma. I think he has the best shot of resolving it, but its still a long shot just because of the enormous hatred that exists in that region.

76 Thia ain't been my week, I'll tell ya that fuckin' much.

77 One thing to remember is that many of the Basiji are imported Arabic Lebanese/Hezbollah thugs.  They are not Persians like the Revolutionary Guard.  If the Basiji gain in power the Revolutionary Guard will lose in power.  It's very wise of the RG to beat the crap out of the Basiji and be seen doing it - that way, whoever wins at the end of this the RG will be known as 'Persians for Persians.'

78

Posted by: Nigel Tufts at June 17, 2009 04:56 PM (/8Gs3)

Oh, God Allah.  Even I can't stand this fucker. Stone Ban his ass, would ya, already?

79 Excellent reporting on Iran, keep it up Ace.

80 "They realized that Obama represented a different America, an America that recognizes differences exist between Islam and Western values but nonetheless respects those differences rather than forcing a set of christian values on muslim nations."

Which "set of christian values" did the previous administration "force" onto "muslim nations?"

Is abiding by ones treaties and UN agreements "christian?"

What about not supporting terrorism (either directly or indirectly) "christian?"

What about free trade? Democracy? Free speech? Human Rights? Capitalism? Are any of these exclusively "christian?"

By claiming that what American promotes is "christian" in nature you seem to be advancing that muslim nations are incapable of the previous things... which is quite bigoted, isn't it?

81

He does realize theres a good chance this uprising will be crushed and dinnerjacket will be elected. He still has to be able to have a good relationship with Iran to further America's own goals in the region.

In other words, he's willing to let a popular uprising be crushed in its cradle and give credence to a bogus leader (whose guards are killing the country's citizens) for poltical expediency.  He can't even be bothered to condemn that despicable act, as a matter of fact.

Imagine the bleating we would have heard from people like you if the Secret Service had murdered Iraq War protestors.  Well, guess what, this is the same scenario occurring in real time, and you have the absolute gall to promote the idiotic idea that Obama sparked this revolution, but at  the same time is willing to let it get strangled by the Iranian government.  Only a leftist would hold such fundamentally contradictory ideas as fact.

You are a disingenuous, lying sack of crap and a waste of carbon molecules.

82 "Ridiculous. He's doing one or the other, Palin Steele. You cannot maintain he's both attempting to cool the passions of the resisters while simultaneously encouraging those passions." -Ace

I never said he is encouraging those passions. I said his speech was in part responsible for the current uprising, as well....yes, the Iraq War.

And please tell me this, how does Obama coming out and saying the election was a sham (without proof btw), help Iranian citizens at all? Do you think if Obama says that, the mullahs will just peacefully abdicate power and have a reelection...you really think obama is that influential?

Or more likely, the rebellers become MORE emboldened, and the Mullahs become more VIOLENT...and there will be more bloodshed with the end result being a huge military crackdown and elections being terminated and the regime being MORE OPPRESSIVE.

Tell me your scenario in which Obama's support of the rebellion actually improves conditions in Iran...please I'd love to hear it.

83 One thing to remember is that many of the Basiji are imported Arabic Lebanese/Hezbollah thugs.

Wrongo... word from the Twitter feeds, et al. is that the imports are of the Palestinian variety.  Not Hezbollah, but Hamas.  I have no idea what that means from a practical standpoint.

84 Good stuff to be hearing... just sayin'

85 Gee Ace you write real purty. You make me feel like one of those riverboat men in Lonesome Dove.

86

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at June 17, 2009 04:41 PM (ZGhSv)

I have always thought that one Bush's main unspoken reasons behind going into Iraq so soon after AFG was to put the squeeze on Iran.

87 In other words, he's willing to let a popular uprising be crushed in its cradle and give credence to a bogus leader (whose guards are killing the country's citizens) for poltical expediencyrience.

88

Obama takes a realist view of the middle east dilemma.

I think your definition of "realist" isn't quite the same as that shared by Mr. Reality.

The notion that the Palestinians will lay down their arms and live happily ever after if only they were given a state is "realist"? 

Obama's belief that any amount of words read off a telemprompter will inspire Iran to give up on the idea of building nukes, destabilizing Lebanon, and supporting terrorism?

That's not realist, it's naive, unrealistic idealism with zero chance of working.

89

Hey, you know, maybe democracy will start catching on here too!

Not if we can help it!

90 Some troll worried about the Straits of Hormuz needs to Google “Operation Praying Mantis”

cut and pasta:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Praying_Mantis

91

#56, Maddog:

My kind of soft power: Buy up severl shiploads of Russian armament and anti- tank and anti-aircraft missiles, a few hundred thousand good used AK-47's and 5-6 million rounds of light armor piercing ammo and secretly deliver them to the debaters across the Iraqi border.

(Emphasis mine.)  Hah! Nice one. 

Makes me wanna take my AK to the debate range. 

92

Or more likely, the rebellers become MORE emboldened, and the Mullahs become more VIOLENT...and there will be more bloodshed with the end result being a huge military crackdown and elections being terminated and the regime being MORE OPPRESSIVE.

Good! Then the savages who run that nation can't export their terror as effectively, since they have to expend so much energy on repression at home. You don't get that, do you?

93

My kind of soft power: Buy up severl shiploads of Russian armament and anti- tank and anti-aircraft missiles, a few hundred thousand good used AK-47's and 5-6 million rounds of light armor piercing ammo and secretly deliver them to the debaters across the Iraqi border.

The idea of Iranian Contras is appealing.

94 You make me feel like one of those riverboat men in Lonesome Dove.

Posted by: ungoogleable at June 17, 2009 05:05 PM (EiH7n)

Great reference; plus it helped keep my mind off wanting to dismember the worthless trolls.

95 ps@82  more violence by the protestors increases the possibility of regime change.  There is no military crackdown if the military a) doesn't get involved or b) sides with the protestors.  There are forces loyal to the mullahs that will fight, but if palestinian wannabe martyrs are all that stands between the mullahs and the noose, my money is on the protestors who, sooner or later, are going to get their hands on weaponry.

96

"He still has to be able to have a good relationship with Iran to further America's own goals in the region."

Um... no, he does not.

Why do liberals insist that we have to be friends with every dictator thug in the world in order to further America's goals?

Example...Iraq. We got rid of the ruling dictator thug and started winning hearts and mind of a newly freed people. Now free Iraq, for all intent and purposes, is our friend and ally.

What goal's are you talking about Palin Steele?

 

97 The man is an inspiration, even when silent.

Its my gift, and my curse.

98 At NAMBLA, we are titillated at the prospects of liberal democracy coming to Iran. Today's modern NAMBLA member celebrates diversity and posits a Persia that is pregnant with possibility.

We hear that 70% of Iran is under 18 - YUM!

(Methos, you aren't welcome at the next regional unless you tell us where those kindergarteners who are into fisting go to school, selfish prick.)

99 methos, what popular uprising has ever toppled a tyrant regime?

100 Why do liberals insist that we have to be friends with every dictator thug in the world in order to further America's goals?

Because they don't realize that America's goals include skull fucking dictator thugs.

101

what popular uprising has ever toppled a tyrant regime?

The American Revolution.

102

"methos, what popular uprising has ever toppled a tyrant regime?"

I think someone needs togo back to Jr. high...

 

Google "French Revolution"

103 what popular uprising has ever toppled a tyrant regime?

I'll take Romania for 400, Alex.

104

Why do liberals insist that we have to be friends with every dictator thug in the world in order to further America's goals?

Because deep down, they are fellow travelers.

105 I never said he is encouraging those passions. I said his speech was in part responsible for the current uprising, as well....yes, the Iraq War.

Wow, an entire war, years of hard work by the US gov and military professionals operating at their best to build strategic, tactical, moral and societal change in nation building... equated with some words by Obama in one speech, that no one can probably even quote from.

He really is the god-president isn't he?

And please tell me this, how does Obama coming out and saying the election was a sham (without proof btw), help Iranian citizens at all? Do you think if Obama says that, the mullahs will just peacefully abdicate power and have a reelection...you really think obama is that influential?

Well, the Iranians in the streets seem to want the support. How does giving them support hurt us? The reflexive position here for the Iranian Mulah's is to blame the great Satan for interfering (they already have, in fact).

No, none of us think that Obama, in himself, is that influential. But what the president of the United States says matters... because he is the POTUS. Despite 8 years of determined teardown from the left (no doubt continuing, from the inside, for at least 4 more), the US is kinda a big deal. We can pick winners and losers... at least on the moral plane. I thought part of this hope-changey stuff was about restoring moral clarity and our reputation around the world.

Instead we seem bent on sweeping some genuine "little people" under the rug so we can have some political success. Awesome.

Or more likely, the rebellers become MORE emboldened, and the Mullahs become more VIOLENT...and there will be more bloodshed with the end result being a huge military crackdown and elections being terminated and the regime being MORE OPPRESSIVE.

Oh man, those little people, becoming all emboldened and rebelly. Why can't they just shut up while their elders talk about nukes?

Oh wait, aren't we a country of ideas? The most notable one being, ohh, that "rebelly" stuff that started everything? I can't remember.

Tell me your scenario in which Obama's support of the rebellion actually improves conditions in Iran...please I'd love to hear it.

Tell me a scenario where him dealing with these thugs results in lasting peace... starting with the people getting beat on the streets and ending with the people in Tel Aviv. At the very least.

Also, you're set is in charge now. We get to do the game you did last year(s) by saying "it doesn't work" and "boo on you." The people in the hot seat do not get to ask the peanut gallery for ideas. You wanted the power to bring hope and change, so bring it... explain how the president's current actions improve things both for the US's interests and the people of Iran.

106 dammit

107 methos, what popular uprising has ever toppled a tyrant regime?

Posted by: palin steele at June 17, 2009 05:13 PM (VDj74)

The Revolution, dumbass.  Did they teach you that at Meth High?

108 Oh, lookie, lookie, Nigel the nazi troll has figured out how to sockpuppet.  I therefore must nominate him for AoS rookie troll of the week, to mark this accomplishment.

109

what popular uprising has ever toppled a tyrant regime?

You can ask me that?

110

methos, what popular uprising has ever toppled a tyrant regime?

How can anyone be that fucking ignorant of history?

 

111
the people of Italy strung up me and my family

just sayin...

112 Well, flenser beat me too it, and other morons dredged examples out from between their mental boxes of Monkees lyrics and classic lines from Animal House and Spaceballs.

Any other questions from your daddy's baby-momma's basement, flailin squeal?

113 Oh, lookie, lookie, Nigel the nazi troll has figured out how to sockpuppet.  I therefore must nominate him for AoS rookie troll of the week, to mark this accomplishment.

Posted by: Methos at June 17, 2009 05:18 PM (wU8X9)

Thanks, Methos.

114 We now have a President who values his agenda checklist more than the real possibility of a great swath of people being set free.

He is above all a bureaucrat's bureaucrat.  He has an agenda checklist, and would never let a little thing like human liberty get in the way of him checking his little fucking boxes.

115 Fuck so help me if Obama goes soft on Iran I hope Bibi nukes D.C. back to the stone age.

116 palin steele, have you heard of us, the Brits and the Arabs, sure did.

117 Meh, we beat the Brits largely by sitting our asses down.

118 Very simple. Obama wants Iran to have the bomb. Might not happen if Moussavi prevails. Fuck Obama.

119

so help me if Obama goes soft on Iran I hope Bibi nukes D.C. back to the stone age.

 

Thank you for your patriotism.. Mind you, I'd prefer if you were an American patriot.

120 to compare the current Iranian uprising to the American revolution, french revolution, etc is laughable.

it is far more similar to Tianamen Square.

121 *Ahem*

122 Ace, I don't know why  you allow Palin Steele and Nigel to threadjack and troll. My answer is a swift  kick to the gunt and a banhammer. They add nothing intelligent to any discussion other than what comic book figures they masturbate to

123 What we need here is some Aryan Iranian Constitutional Expertise, before folks get carried away and start thinking there's some kind of real problem here, or something.

124

#1

Nobody was impressed with it? 

I think it is cool that this guy is wearing an American University shirt. 

But then again, I love the Bucks!

I really do hope they know that our Pres. doesn't represent us in this matter.  I have read nothing but support for their cause.

125 palin steele, maybe you heard of me, seeing as how they made a movie and all.

126 I might be more palin steele's speed

127 what popular uprising has ever toppled a tyrant regime?

What am I? Chopped lumpia?

128 I'd say we have another beclowning underway.

129 >>> what popular uprising has ever toppled a tyrant regime?

Hmmm... give me a minute. Tip of my tongue!

130 >>>what popular uprising has ever toppled a tyrant regime?

I'm stumped.

131 Come on, guys, Stalin Peele doesn't consider any of those uprisings to be popular.  I mean, do they have myspace pages?  Do they twitter?

132 /8Gs3
Fuck so help me if Obama goes soft on Iran I hope Bibi nukes D.C. back to the stone age.

Coward. Use your own nic when you make comments like that.

133 Oh, yeah, those masses of people are never a problem for those who rule them with an iron fist, palin steele.

134 what popular uprising has ever toppled a tyrant regime?

Anyone know where I can get a bottle of Stoli?

135 >>>what popular uprising has ever toppled a tyrant regime?

Is this a trick question?

Like is the answer "Darkness" or "time" or something gay like that?

136 it is far more similar to Tianamen Square.

I'm sure PS is trying to make some kind of point with this but, for the life of me, I just can't see it.

137 LOL. I do love the troll bashing..but they always come back for more, very masochistic, I must say.

138 social conservatives vs social liberals

139 >>>Ace, I don't know why you allow Palin Steele and Nigel to threadjack and troll. My answer is a swift kick to the gunt and a banhammer. They add nothing intelligent to any discussion other than what comic book figures they masturbate to

It's very difficult to ban people without comment registration.

140 what popular uprising has ever toppled a tyrant regime?

beats me

141 Pompoms Steele @13 "and who do you think you have to thank for the iranian resistance movement...Barack Obama.
many people have attributed to the recent courageous stand by iran's citizens as a result of the inspiring speech Obama gave at Cairo."

Alllllllll rightie then!  So you're willing to go on record as giving the inspiring Bambi FULL CREDIT for the actual outcome of this exciting event, right?
Yes or no?
No fair peeking into the future, or stalling until it gets here.
This is his doing, or it isn't.  Which?

142 How about the country with the biggest fucking population on the planet, palin steele?

143 I wouldn't put nigel and PS in the same sentence.  Nigel is a contemptible Nazi stooge while palin steele is just a clown.  Sometimes I laugh with him, sometimes at him, well mostly at him but nigel doesn't make me laugh at all.

144 >>>>>>what popular uprising has ever toppled a tyrant regime?

I can't think of any.

But I'm too busy to think. I have these damn coolie rebels climbing up on the ridges around my position.

145 Oh, dammit, tyrant regime.  Shit, I need to actually read palin steele's posts in their entirety.

146 Dude, I'm right next door!?!

147 Backpedalling Steele @ 21 "its not me saying this uprising is partly due to being emboldened by Obama's cairo speech"

Honey, it's you saying, and I quote: "and who do you think you have to thank for the iranian resistance movement...Barack Obama."
So you said what he said you said, and have been lying ever since then.

148
"It's very difficult to ban people without comment registration." -Ace

Ace, if you or anyone else who runs the board tell me I've crossed the line and that I'm banned, I'll respect your wishes and stop posting.

But I've only been respectful in my posts and generally don't respond to the insults, so I don't think why I would be banned.

149 Thanks again, Ronnie, my boy.  Oh, palin steele, fuch you.

150 I think the misinformed limey is fun.

151 you would be banned for gross stupidity. You seem like you're 15 years old -- and not a very smart 15 year old, either.

You apparently are entirely unaware of any human history prior to the Divine Ascension of Barack Obama.

Your question "what popular uprising has ever toppled a tyrant regime? " is risible. And before you look it up, "risible" means laughable, and not even the good sort of laughable.

It's the sort of question a child, or a true ignoramus, or a mentally challenged person might ask.

Your stupidity mixed with your cloying earnestness is extremely annoying to people.

152 Sloeride @ 24 "Once it becomes clear which side will be victorious, only then will Barry come out to give support.  "

That's because he's smarter than little miss tonguebath, Palin Steele, here.
"Sometimes soft power can start a flame that an army cannot even accomplish."

I'm trying to picture Captain America saying that, and just can't do it.

153 Eh, palin steele, sometimes it not always work out so well.  But is why we have vodka.

154 "He does realize theres a good chance this uprising will be crushed and dinnerjacket will be elected." -- palin steele above @ 67

Please try to square "crushing" an uprising and being "elected".

(Morons, this one will provide comedy gold. Stick around.)

155 I mean -- you have heard of the French Revolution, the Soviet Revolution, the Russian Counter-Revolution, the, uh... American Revolution, the French Indochinese War, the revolution in Romania, etc., right?

Apparently you have not. The unending vistas and soaring heights of your ignorance are truly breathtaking.

156 I hate Dutch chocolate....

157 i mean -- what the hell? Does "Gandhi" ring any bells?

I don't like calling British colonization "tyranny" but without doubt it was rule without true representation of the ruled.

158 Posted by: ace at June 17, 2009 05:44 PM (gEsIJ)

Damn.  Its like watching someone kick a puppy.  A particularly smelly puppy, with a limp, and a crusty,wonky eye, that just peed on your new shag carpet after taking a dump in your loafer. 

I salute you sir.

159 But I've only been respectful in my posts and generally don't respond to the insults, so I don't think why I would be banned.

'Cause I hurt myself laughing at the Captain America thread.

160 Can't think of any popular uprising that displaced a government myself.

161
you would be banned for gross stupidity. You seem like you're 15 years old -- and not a very smart 15 year old, either.

You apparently are entirely unaware of any human history prior to the Divine Ascension of Barack Obama.

Your question "what popular uprising has ever toppled a tyrant regime? " is risible. And before you look it up, "risible" means laughable, and not even the good sort of laughable.

It's the sort of question a child, or a true ignoramus, or a mentally challenged person might ask.

Your stupidity mixed with your cloying earnestness is extremely annoying to people.

Yet you're more qualified for my job than I am.

162 We haven't even touched on South America.

i mean, there's a word for this -- "revolution." It doesn't necessarily refer to the overthrow of tyrants per se but it usually does (and the revolutionaries always call their enemies tyrants).

Have you heard of the word "revolution" at all? What did you think it meant? It has a meaning -- the overthrow, typically violent, of a regime by a popular uprising.

Did you just think it meant "sensation" or "tumult" or something?

Did you think we had a word for something that never actually happened?

163 At least my head isn't square like your American trolls. It's more of a round shape.

164

As a rule, the regular army does not like "special guards" that are outside of the regular army.  If the regular army is showing signs of supporting the protestors, then the Iranian regime is in trouble.  If the regular army can find an authority figure to back, they may - I say again, may - decide it is time for the "_______ Guards" to be demoted.

The protests against Ceaucescu got really going when the regulars backed the protestors, and saw their chance to off the special guards.

165

To hell with all this Iran stuff- what kind of cheeseburger did the President have today? Did Bo do anything cute? Did Michelle get a new dress?

 

EYES ON THE BALL, PEOPLE

166 Come out to the islands, mon.

167
I recall Saddam Hussein and the Baathists had a little thing called a 'coup' that was kinda successful.

And that guy in Cuba...

168

what popular uprising has ever toppled a tyrant regime?

 

I'm stumped.

169 ace
Nice round up of events in Iran.

Also:

The Revolutions of 1989, sometimes called the "Autumn of Nations",[1] were a revolutionary wave that swept across Central and Eastern Europe in late 1989, ending in the overthrow of Soviet-style communist states within the space of a few months.[2]

The largely bloodless political upheaval began in Poland,[3][4] continued in Hungary, and then led to a surge of mostly peaceful revolutions in East Germany, Czechoslovakia, and Bulgaria. Romania was the only Eastern-bloc country to overthrow its communist regime violently and execute its head of state.

170 Posted by: Toussaint Louverture at June 17, 2009 05:53 PM (oT+Ek)

Nice.

171 Now, what would be fun if the Ayatollahs started breaking ranks and some support one side, and some support the other.  Then the equation goes from vox ayatollah vox dei, to something else altogether.

172 sucks to be me.

173 I can't believe you morons forgot about me.

174 Did anybody get their juice box yet?

175 I wonder how painful stool thinks tyrant regimes do get toppled? When the Green Lantern decides things have gone on long enough?

176 Just piling on now.

177 Uh oh, Nigel's going to freak over my crypto hash.

178
All that troll knows is:

anything good happens: Obama gets the credit

anything bad happens: it's Bush's fault

179 What am I? Chopped liver?

180 Yeah!

181 No, I don't want to drink a damned Black & Tan with you.

182 I think I've at last earned the opportunity to say

palin steele.  Go get your fucking shine box!

183

 The unending vistas and soaring heights of your ignorance are truly breathtaking.

I haven't made it through the whole thread yet, but I am so totally stealing this line! Ace, your way with words is a force to be reckoned with.

184 Uh oh, Nigel's going to freak over my crypto hash.

Posted by: Waterhouse at June 17, 2009 06:01 PM (Iajew)

Teh awesome

185

Obama meanwhile continues babbling that there's no big difference between Mousavi and Ahmadinejad.

Of course that is absurd. For one thing, should Mousavi prevail, the mullahs would have lost an incredible amount of authority and credibility -- and this in turn would open up the possibility of actual democracy down the road, a democracy in which the mullahs do not control the candidates and the outcomes of elections.

Of course, this is obvious to anybody with the IQ required to tie one's own shoes.

Naturally, it is beyond the reach of a political science major.

186 My coffee is an acquired taste.

187 my hash sucks, always has.

188 Your stupidity mixed with your cloying earnestness is extremely annoying to people.

This sentence is a thing a beauty. I may cross stitch it on a sampler.

189 >>Did Michelle get a new dress?

No, but she harvested lettuce today with those mighty arms of hers.

Also, Ace, shouldn't you just post a sign "You must be this old to ride this ride" at AoSHQ to keep the infantile trolls out? Surely you must have spares from your days as a carnie.

190 Mustafa, I don't mind your coffee, just don't forget the sugar.

191 What popular uprising ever toppled a tyrant regime?

Is this, like, a serious question?  Half of human history is written in the blood of revolutionary uprisings.

Have you ever actually SEEN a map?  READ a book?

192

Calling in Hamas is a major problem if this cannot be stamped down.  The Iranians are Persians, whereas Hamas are Arabs.  The regime just said that it does not have the support of Persians, that it is beholden to Arabs.  That its legitimacy is based on foreign mercenaries.

If all of that is true, that the regime is looking to Palestinian Arabs to support it against its own people, then look for a real revolt

193
> 27 #20 thanks for the correction. I stand corrected.

Posted by: mystry

Now that I think about it, I'm real confident that Obama will pass the test.


(for the sarcasm impaired - read my name)

194

I'd like to re-inject some actual Iran conversation here, though the pwning of the fool was as always, lovely to read.

I spoke with the mother of one of the kids in my son's class who is from Iran and her family and friends still live there. She told me something that I hadn't heard discussed before, that 30 years ago with the revolution the business owners, the wealthy men who weren't involved in politics, went along with the revolution and by them closing stores and shutting down the country that helped the revolution along. But, with what's going on now in Iran, that group of people hasn't come out in support of the protesters as they feel Mousavi is the same difference so they don't see a benefit. If they would support the people demonstrating, that would go a long way toward change.

Just another perspective on the situation. She also said that the young people did believe their votes would count, but most older people knew all along it was a sham and felt Mousavi's words and promises were empty as the president isn't actually the one with all the power in Iran.

195  #90 Thanks for the link, good reading.

196 >>127 what popular uprising has ever toppled a tyrant regime?

>>129 What am I? Chopped liver?

What am I, sticky buns?

197 Kick 'em when they're down, that's what I say.

198 urrRAorrr!

199 198 urrRAorrr!

Come back to bed, darling.

200 Nige, baby--can I call you Nig? thanks-- I just want you to know that I'm going to be in Britain in early August and that I'm coming to kill you.

Be so kind as to hang around the main entrance of Heathrow on the 7th, say mid afternoon? A sign would also be helpful.

Thanks, friend.

201 Betcha Iraq is meddling.

202

What the fuck, Mr. PeeSteele?  How could you forget me?

And yeah, I'm still dead.

203 Padewan Mousavi should not go against the Council-  Darth Anikin did, and it didn't go well for him now, did it?

Mr Wolf

204 John Galt
Thanks for the link, good reading.

Glad you enjoyed. Those were the days. When an American President stood up, said fuck diplomacy, and bloodied some noses to prove to the Iranians they don't own the Strait.

If the same thing happened today? The 0 would probably 0pologize while the worlds oil shipments and economies ground to a halt.

205 I have to admit, I watch the Fox Report

206  #139 - thanks, I understand, and I DO enjoy the sockpuppeting, which can be an issue in registration.

207 sockpuppets rule!

208 I figured Ace had an application to auto-reject comments based on the IP.  

209 PS has been exposed to more history in this thread than in any kumbaya esteem building sessions masquerading as education in the daycare centers known as public schools.  Anthony Burgess wrote a book 1985 which took Orwell as a starting point but included, among other things, gangs of kids who would break into warehouses of forbidden books containing facts and works of art which had been considered "impractical"; they read them for kicks because the garbage they were inculcated with in schools was so fucking boring.  I'm pretty sure that describes where we are now.

210

Hey, does anyone know where palin steele buys that shit he smokes? It's frying his little liberal brain.  Do liberals really have brains? or just touchy feely emotions?

Inquiring minds want to know!

Kemp

211

122 Ace, I don't know why  you allow Palin Steele and Nigel to threadjack and troll. My answer is a swift  kick to the gunt and a banhammer. They add nothing intelligent to any discussion other than what comic book figures they masturbate to

We have a WINNER!

Kemp

212  *blushes*

thanks, Kemp

213

Hey, if anyone is still reading this post here is a link to a do it yourself cyber attack on Iran government.

Have at it boys!

http://tinyurl.com/nyjcro

Oh, boy revolution on line!

Kemp

214

I still don't think Obama should say much, if anything.  Two reasons, both a bit hand in glove:

1)this man is not RR; I dont' even think his sentiments lie in the same plane -- so if he does say something it could end up doing more harm than good (look at what he's said already; would that help the Iranians out, him saying more of that?) -- it is always nice to wish, but the bitter reality is that wishes do not work out sometimes

2) this movement has to be owned by the Iranian people if it is to be a success (God, I can't believe I'm even halfway in agreement with that idiot Nigel -- whose racism is only matched by his incompetence; that's right Mr. Tufts, I don't care for you and your white power crap, so stuff it); we cannot be seen to be meddling in this for their sake ("seen" is an important word though) -- that also means (I'm looking at you Palin Steele) that Obama cannot take any credit for this happening either, and shouldn't if it works out.

215

I just read a piece written by John Kerry (who served in Vietnam) in which he states that Obama is taking the right approach to this situation.  He said basically that those protesting did not ask for or want our help or input.  That it was not about America, but about Iran.  I have one question for you Senator - if they want us to do nothing or say nothing in support of them ---Then --WHY ARE MOST OF THEIR SIGNS IN ENGLISH???  I have not heard anyone address this.

216

English Signs, is one.  Lack of Terrorist Masks is another. 

 I hope when the time comes I measure up.

217 jane, I can understand those points of view, but there's a Clintonesque way to triangulate so that he doesn't screw things up or give the mullahs rhetorical ammo to use against the people. Bubba would have understood this, and Hillary would snap out an address like this practically off the cuff.

He would speak publicly, expressing our dismay and concern over the violence and what appears on its face to be a rigged election (he could even tone down the "rigged election" part). The usual diplo-speak. That would be about 10% of the speech.

The other 80% of his speech would be more general, speaking about freedom as a basic human goal, a basic human right. No specific references to Iran are necessary. Defining freedom as he sees it isn't a provocative act, it's just an American President stating his views on one of the defining characteristics of this nation. If others around the world choose to interpret the speech as meddling or as a call to action, it's vague enough to give him some wiggle room (remember, I'm talking about Clinton-style triangulation here).

But I wouldn't hold my breath on The One getting anywhere close to this level of committment. "Present" rules the day.

218

" Even if you start importing foreign thugs from your toady terrorist organization Hamas to do your beat-downs and shootings for you."

Hamas is only doing jobs that the Iranians are unwilling to do....

 

219 Am I missing the sarcasm, or is comment #200 way over the line?

220

Shouldn't every American president wish tyrannts and despots well and pledge to uphold crooked elections.

Isn't this a wonderful ideal to teach our children.   Its so Chicago mobbish!

221 re: 13 and who do you think you have to thank for the iranian resistance movement...Barack Obama.

many people have attributed to the recent courageous stand by iran's citizens as a result of the inspiring speech Obama gave at Cairo.

Sometimes soft power can start a flame that an army cannot even accomplish.

Posted by: palin steele at June 17, 2009 04:24 PM (VDj74)

Then why do more Iranians hate the US during the Obama administration than they did under GWBush?

 

http://tinyurl.com/lgp3an

222 re 21 methos...its not me saying this uprising is partly due to being emboldened by Obama's cairo speech. its iranians who are revolting who are claiming that..but you know better, riiiiight?

Posted by: palin steele at June 17, 2009 04:30 PM (VDj74)

 

Not to be pedantic, but source? Are you telling me that the Iranians are being inspired by Obama's ninja like ability to swat flies whilst he diminshes Iranian police killing protestors as "debate"?

223 219 Am I missing the sarcasm, or is comment #200 way over the line?

Posted by: Americano at June 17, 2009 09:02 PM (pZSp0)

Obviously, you have not met Nigel.

224 But I've only been respectful in my posts and generally don't respond to the insults, so I don't think why I would be banned.

Posted by: palin steele at June 17, 2009 05:41 PM (VDj74)

Ahem. A couple of weeks ago this creature was claiming that the Jooooooos were after our blood and our money.

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226 219 Am I missing the sarcasm, or is comment #200 way over the line?
Posted by: Americano at June 17, 2009 09:02 PM (pZSp0)

Nigel isn't in any danger. He'll never go to Heathrow. There's too many Jooos and homosexuals there.

227

Latest episode of Hope n Change:

 

http://twitpic.com/7ojpw

 

228

#120

"to compare the current Iranian uprising to the American revolution, french revolution, etc is laughable.

it is far more similar to Tianamen Square."

There is nothing laughable about the situation. Your statement here is sickeningly condenscending to a traumatized people who are standing up to bullets and beatings for the simple taste of freedom they've never known. You sound almost like you want the uprising to fail just so you can be right about it.

229 It would be more believable if your deep concern for "a traumatized people who are standing up to bullets and beatings for the simple taste of freedom they've never known" was extended to countries that did not have our oil under their soil. Rwanda comes to mind...........

230 Posted by: RKG at June 17, 2009 11:28 PM (Lsz2a)

If only I could remember who was living in the White House back in 1994.....

231

You know if he wasn't such a complete moronic (not in the good way) douchebag I would feel sorry for PalinSteele for the curb stomping he got here today.

232 229 It would be more believable if your deep concern

Who cares what you believe, fuckface; keep sucking Barry's cock and whine to him about Rwanda., as if you're really concerned about their plight.

233 Free Tibet!

234

"It would be more believable if your deep concern for "a traumatized people who are standing up to bullets and beatings for the simple taste of freedom they've never known" was extended to countries that did not have our oil under their soil. Rwanda comes to mind..........."

Nice of you to make an uninformed assumption of my concerns and divert away from the post that was the subject of my criticism (if you were attempting to defend it, that was really pathetic).

The post I criticised was nothing more than a transparent attempt to capitilize on the situation in Iran to score cheap rhetorical points to assuage the authors own personal vanity.

How did I feel about Rawanda? Furious and helpless as the U.N. turned their collective backs on Rawandans begging U.N. soldiers to stay and protect them. I don't recall Bubba, the president at that time, doing much to prevent the atrocities or at the very least criticising the U.N.'s decision to pull their troops  leaving I don't know how many men, women and children to be slaughtered and hacked to death with machetes. 

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