Iran Round Up

Well, as much of a round up as I can muster with such fast moving events.

The Guardian Council has ordered a partial recount of the vote.

The unusual step by the council, several members of which had supported President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's bid for re-election, was quickly rejected as insufficient by the opposition.

Opposition leader Mir Hossein Mousavi and two other challengers have called on the council to nullify all of the election results and order new balloting. Their supporters said it would be difficult -- if not impossible -- to request a recount comprehensive enough to overturn what the government has said was a landslide in favor of Ahmadinejad.

So far, the council has rejected those demands and said it would recount only those votes where the opposition has evidence suggesting a problem may have occurred.

Huge crowds of Mousavi supporters have massed in the streets of Tehran since Saturday. Seven were killed Monday night when the crowd reportedly tried to storm a compound for volunteer militia linked to Iran's powerful Revolutionary Guard. Members of the militia, known as the Basij, fired from a rooftop into the crowd.


The BBC reports
that the government has banned foreign journalists from covering any stories.

The new restrictions on foreign media require journalists to obtain explicit permission before leaving the office to cover any story.

Journalists have also been banned from attending or reporting on any "unauthorised" demonstration - and it is unclear which if any of the protests are formally authorised.

Press cards have been declared invalid.

Our correspondent says they are the most sweeping restrictions he has ever encountered reporting anywhere.

He says the clampdown comes amid shock and fear among authorities at the show of defiance by opposition supporters who attended Monday's huge illegal rally, insisting the vote was rigged.

The idiot mullahs think the MSM is still the main source of information. Authoriterian regimes are always the last to understand the threats they are facing. Just as fax machines played a major role in the fall of the Soviet Union, it's Twitter, Facebook and Flickr that are the information threats to the mullahs, not ABC or the BBC.

The Iranians are trying to crackdown on these new media but it's a lot harder than locking down a handful of western reporters.

Via Michael Goldfarb's Twitter, Ahmadinejad is feeling pretty cocky, he took off for a trip to Russia.

And finally, John Bolton rightfully throws a bit of cold water on all the unfounded hopes placed on Mousavi.

The media’s endlessly incorrect narrative about struggles between “moderates” and “hard-liners” within the Islamic Revolution of 1979 will doubtless continue, because abandoning it now would be admitting the intellectual poverty of three decades of Western reporting. It would have been easier if outsiders had from the outset understood the debate between the regime’s moderates and hard-liners this way: Hard-liners like Ahmadinejad want to continue Iran’s nuclear weapons and ballistic missile programs and boast about “wiping Israel off the map.” By contrast, the moderates want to continue Iran’s nuclear and ballistic missile programs but remain silent, thus more effectively deluding many willing Westerners.

Make no mistake, as the post-election demonstrations have demonstrated, there is enormous opposition to Iran’s existing government structure, and indeed to the entire Islamic Revolution of 1979. Young people (those under 30 constitute approximately 70 percent of the total population) are unhappy and know they could have a different life if freed from harsh clerical rule. Economic grievances are massive, after 30 years of theologians mismanaging the economy. And ethnic discontent (only about 50 percent of the population is Persian) is widespread.

But giving effect to this discontent was never in the cards in the June 12 election, which was intended to bolster the Islamic Revolution, not to undercut it. Outsiders, including Obama, conflated the seething national discontent with the sham election process and simply misunderstood what was actually happening. Such dramatic misperception of political reality inside Iran, does not, needless to say, bode well for overall U.S. policy toward Iran’s nuclear and terrorist threats.

In fact, with careful outside support, the post-election outrage in Iran, with time, could grow sufficiently to reverse the Islamic Revolution of 1979 and replace it with a system of representative government. What may be the most positive outcome from what the defeated Mousavi called this “dangerous charade” is that Iranians — and Westerners — will now realize there can be no true democracy as long as the Islamic Revolution remains in power.

As always with the 'Stache of Justice, read the whole thing.

Posted by: DrewM. at 09:51 AM



Comments

1 First! Drunkards rule, even when working!

Posted by: The Drunken Conservative at June 16, 2009 09:54 AM (iaWNX)

2 Fear The Moustache!

Posted by: MAJHAM at June 16, 2009 09:56 AM (WvC5A)

3 I suppose it's too late to bring back the Shah. Maybe Zombie Shah though...

Posted by: The Drunken Conservative at June 16, 2009 09:57 AM (iaWNX)

4
The Iranians are trying to crackdown on these new media but it's a lot harder than locking down a handful of western reporters.


Is it really that hard? I mean can't they just order the providers to block the access to these sites?

Posted by: AlexD at June 16, 2009 10:00 AM (0Smvw)

5 Bolton money quote on the Cairo silliness:
It was also par for Obama’s style of governance, which views speech making as a relaxing, convenient substitute for presidential action.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at June 16, 2009 10:01 AM (B+qrE)

6 Press cards have been declared invalid.
Our correspondent says they are the most sweeping restrictions he has ever encountered reporting anywhere.
Tell that to the chicks sitting in a North Korean prison.

Posted by: yinzer at June 16, 2009 10:03 AM (/Mla1)

7 Instead of continuing to play by the mullahs’ rules, Iranians across
the board must resolve to change not just the rules but the entire
system, overthrowing the Revolution and its superstructure and creating
institutions that truly allow for representative government. That would
be “change” we could believe in.
Win.

Posted by: Tom in Korea at June 16, 2009 10:06 AM (9H4sW)

8 Yeah, we can really trust these people with nuclear technology. We can just sit down and talk. That's the way to deal with them.

Posted by: Hotspur at June 16, 2009 10:06 AM (c158/)

9 Seven people killed? I fear the number is much higher. And we may never know.

Posted by: incognito at June 16, 2009 10:06 AM (qON3z)

10 BUT I WON!

Posted by: Ahmadinejad at June 16, 2009 10:08 AM (ngD76)

11 Press cards are already invalid here.

Posted by: Donna at June 16, 2009 10:08 AM (p6dZy)

12 Gateway pundit has received some tweets that the military is starting to move on the demonstrations in force. Not the potshots of the last few days, but the start of Chinese style massacre. No wonder the media is being sent away, just like the last time.

Posted by: Blue Falcon at June 16, 2009 10:08 AM (SMD8k)

13 Guys, Mousavi is substantially backed by former Iranian President Rafsanjani. You remember him, right? He's the guy who basically said "we should nuke Israel, because they can't possibly kill all of us in return".

Not. A. Moderate. That said, all the good guys (however many of them there actually are, anyway) are still on the protest side.

Posted by: someone at June 16, 2009 10:09 AM (njJQD)

14 Funny that the Iranian media and foreign media have their rights taken away and the American media gladly gave up theirs to Obama.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at June 16, 2009 10:12 AM (1Jaio)

15 John Bolton has the most awesome 'stache ever. I could sweep my floor with his face.

Posted by: I have a Jalen Rose jersey at June 16, 2009 10:12 AM (0NuHT)

16 Not. A. Moderate.
ding ding ding ding ding ding
Remember that all four of the candidates had to be OK'd by the mullahs.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at June 16, 2009 10:15 AM (B+qrE)

17 The Guardian Council has ordered a partial recount of the vote




Translation: We will count President Tom's votes again. Other guy, your votes will not be counted again.

Posted by: I have a Jalen Rose jersey at June 16, 2009 10:16 AM (0NuHT)

18 "Funny that the Iranian media and foreign media have their rights taken
away and the American media gladly gave up theirs to Obama."

But FauxNews clearly has a conservative bias, and that's what's really important. -Every other major television news outfit


Posted by: BlueFalcon in Boston at June 16, 2009 10:17 AM (SMD8k)

19 Oddly enough, if Ahmadinejad gets toppled and replaced by Mousavi, the narrative will be that:
a. It was Obama that did it,
b. His cool temperament and saying/doing nothing were exactly the right thing andfurther demonstratehis awesome, Godlike sense of detachment and judgment, and
c. Hope and change will now come to Iran. Unicorns and skittles for all.
Of course, what it really means is that the mullahs are merely exchanging one form of thug-ocracy for another, and Iran will continue to:
a. develop nukes at exactly the same rate as before
b. be just as committed to funding Hezbollah, Hamas, and their idiot client state, Syria, and
c. It will allow Westerners to delude themselves that they are dealing with a democratic regime, and if anything, will give even better cover to Iran's efforts to destabilize the region.
That being said, it still would be nice to see Ahmadinejad and his Members Only jacket swinging at the end of a rope. A victory for the fashion police is still a victory.

Posted by: PalinFan at June 16, 2009 10:21 AM (Xorqi)

20 Funny that the Iranian media and foreign media have their rights taken
away and the American media gladly gave up theirs to Obama.

But haven't you seen Michelle Obama's guns? We're powerless in the presence of those, not to mention beswooned by the 0ne's pecs.

Posted by: ABC, NBC, CBS, MSNBC, CNN at June 16, 2009 10:22 AM (0NuHT)

21 So, this whole thing is a power struggle between two factions of the Mullahs, one represented by Ahmadman and the other by the supposed moderate? Good to know. Now the question is, since one or the other will win, which one? My money is on the stronger and more ruthless, and right now that looks like Ahmadman. If the Revolutionary Guard and/or Iranian Army disperse the crowds with artillery, Napoleon style, then it is all over. Like China, no one in power will care if the Mullahs crush people with tanks.
As for twitter, facebook and the rest - tanks trump cell phone, every time.

Posted by: BattleofthePyramids at June 16, 2009 10:29 AM (0y3/Y)

22 it still would be nice to see Ahmadinejad and his Members Only jacket swinging at the end of a rope.
I was wondering why you guys called him 'Dinner Jacket'...thought it just went with 'dinejad'...now I know...learn something new every day.

Posted by: CanaDave at June 16, 2009 10:34 AM (3VDvP)

23 Note a couple things: First, this is not about the election, but about the whole system. There can be no win for Mousavi. Also, several Rev Guards commanders were arrested by the regime overnight, so the mullahs are on the verge of losing control of the security apparatus. We'll see if these troops moving in are going to do a Tiananmen or start blowing the fuck out of basiji.

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at June 16, 2009 10:35 AM (5aa4z)

24 This is like the primary of Hillary vs. Obama. The both have the exact same views and support the exact same policies, the one difference being one was a more vocal socialist than the other.

Posted by: I have a Jalen Rose jersey at June 16, 2009 10:35 AM (0NuHT)

25 "Journalists have also been banned from attending or reporting on any "unauthorised"

Good, it will provide less fodder for lying sacks of imperialist shit like Drew to just make shit up. I salute the Iranians for cracking down on the decadent enchanted western media, they fucking deserve it and we should follow their lead.

Authoriterian regimes are always the last...

Good, at least you've downgraded your rhetoric from Totalitarian, which is inaccurate, to Authoritarian, which is more accurate but still doesn't recognize the democratic and republican nature of Iran. I'm proud of you Drew, all my hard work has been validated.

Posted by: Nigel Tufts at June 16, 2009 10:37 AM (/8Gs3)

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Posted by: Nigel Tufts at June 16, 2009 10:45 AM (0NuHT)

27 A caricature of a troll. Unique.

Posted by: Javems at June 16, 2009 10:46 AM (hq71Y)

28 Credulous foreign reporters missed all of this, partly because they
spent their time talking to middle-class Iranians or Iranian ex-pats
who think like them rather than doing hard investigative work to
understand what was actually afoot. Perhaps these reporters never
covered elections in Chicago.
We need to get Bolton in a national office, stat.

Posted by: HeatherRadish at June 16, 2009 10:46 AM (NtiET)

29 Think Hitler vs. Stalin

Posted by: wHodat at June 16, 2009 10:47 AM (+sBB4)

30 Why can't we all get along? (sob) Everybody has an equal point of view, everyone is entitled to their opinion.

Posted by: joan at June 16, 2009 10:56 AM (/8Gs3)

31 Posted by: Nigel Tufts at June 16, 2009 10:37 AM (/8Gs3)

Feel free to point out where I've ever called Iran totalitarian before.

I'll wait.

Posted by: DrewM. at June 16, 2009 10:58 AM (iTt2X)

32 Drew: I might've confused your lie ("white supremacist") with another lie Ace posted quoting Michael Totten who calls them "totalitarian", it's hard to keep track of the specific lies told by specific liars here, doubly so when you delete most of my comments.

We did have a good debate over the misuse of the term totalitarian somewhere here but most of my comments are deleted now, so maybe you did or didn't say it, who knows? Regardless, I nailed you on the false "white supremacist" headline, you're deliberately and maliciously misusing that term and the difference (supremacist vs. separatist vs. nationalist) is not trivial.

Posted by: Nigel Tufts at June 16, 2009 11:09 AM (/8Gs3)

33 ...you're deliberately and maliciously misusing that term and the
difference (supremacist vs. separatist vs. nationalist) is not trivial.

All three of them are gigantic bags of dicks. Seems trivial enough to me.

Posted by: I have a Jalen Rose jersey at June 16, 2009 11:11 AM (0NuHT)

34 I nailed you on the false "white supremacist" headline, you're
deliberately and maliciously misusing that term and the difference
(supremacist vs. separatist vs. nationalist) is not trivial.
Posted by: Nigel Tufts at June 16, 2009 11:09 AM (/8Gs3)

You are a legend in your own mind.

BTW- von Brunn is a white supremacist and the difference is only 'not trivial' to a racist piece of shit like you.


Posted by: DrewM. at June 16, 2009 11:17 AM (iTt2X)

35 The best case for the US, short of complete revolution, is actually a weakened Ahmadinejad. If Mousavi somehow reverses this result, then his crazy ass will be in power with a substantial base of support.

If Ahmadinejad is weakened, then ethnic issues may start popping up (the Kurd, Armenians, old Baluchistan, etc.) - thats when if gets fun.

Posted by: Jean at June 16, 2009 11:18 AM (L64A6)

36 "All three of them are gigantic bags of dicks. Seems trivial enough to me."

And the Jews who want a Jewish state - at best, Jewish separatists and at worst (chosen people?) supremacists - would they be gigantic bags of dicks too? Just kidding, it would be cruel to hold the Jew to the far, far higher level of conduct expected from whites, it's a given that we let them get away with things that white people don't get away with. Which, I suppose, is a tad supremacist itself, isn't it? Help me to understand Jalen Rose! Yes, I know they are "persecuted", so are we; we are explicitly discriminated against in the workplace, ethnics hate us and so does the media. We want self-determination, just like the Jews, the Kosovars, the Tibetans, the Quebeckers, and everyone else. Unless you really believe we are...superior, our request for a white homeland shouldn't be a problem.

As of this past week I am a white separatist. I ahve seen enough, they hate us. I affirm that the media and the ethnics have a murderous genocidal hatred of whites and that we need to protect ourselves and future generations. I am inspired by the Jewish call for a Jewish homeland, if a homeland is good enough for them it's good enough for me and my people. We need a 21st century Balfour Declaration, let's call it the Bibi Declaration, where if the Jew affirms our right to self determination we will affirm theirs.

Posted by: andycanuck at June 16, 2009 11:22 AM (/8Gs3)

37 andycanuck = me.

Posted by: Nigel Tufts at June 16, 2009 11:23 AM (/8Gs3)

38 Dinner jacket sadly looks like the safe money bet to win. The Revolutionary Guard is firmly under his control. With foreign journalists out, cells and twitters infiltrated and used against demonstrators, he can go all Tienanmen on everyone's ass, absolutely unfettered. Obama will give another speech.

I don't expect Persians to magically turn away from Islam, so the best case to hope is them becoming secularized. But secular Islam, thanks to Jimmah Cahtah, is an endangered species in this world.


Posted by: The Drunken Conservative at June 16, 2009 11:27 AM (iaWNX)

39 I ahve seen enough, they hate us.

I hate you too.

Posted by: I have a Jalen Rose jersey at June 16, 2009 11:29 AM (0NuHT)

40 "I hate you too."

Yeah, but you're a wigger, so who cares? I don't hate you, hater, I mock you.

Posted by: Nigel Tufts at June 16, 2009 11:36 AM (/8Gs3)

41 Still boring.

Posted by: Nom de Blog at June 16, 2009 12:42 PM (1Bods)

42 not to distract from the race baiting troll war or anything but is there a photoshop of the Bolton 'Stache with Chuck Norris' beard yet? or perhaps the two facing off for the ultimate facial hair battle? could life on Earth survive a battle between the 'Stache and the beard or would it be more devastating than nuclear holocaust?

Posted by: npv at June 16, 2009 12:55 PM (wJ0OF)

43 not to distract from the race baiting troll war or anything...

Focus damn it!

Posted by: Katie Couric at June 16, 2009 01:01 PM (0NuHT)

44 I was waiting for Seattle Slough to defend the mullahs and praise the chimps' usual worm like policy of pre emptive surrender. And where is Palin Steele whining about its usual complaints about how the MSM doesn't love President Chimp enough.

Posted by: Thomas Jackson at June 16, 2009 01:46 PM (B8gqF)

45 andycanuck = me.
After oh-so-manfully stealing my sockpuppet at this thread while I was out for most of the day and then forgetting to change back to nigel/adriana in this thread. Here are my replies, nigel/adriana, by the way. And Kristopher says, "Fuck you," too, buddy from the same thread.

Posted by: andycanuck at June 16, 2009 02:05 PM (8PGHt)

46 And where is Palin Steele whining about its usual complaints about how the MSM doesn't love President Chimp enough?
He's trolling at HotAir and the Greenroom, TJ. You catch less flak there. Alot less flak.

Posted by: andycanuck at June 16, 2009 02:08 PM (8PGHt)

47 I dunno. If I were one of the mullahs in Iran I'd want very much to retain power. I'd be terrified of what folks I've helped oppress the last three decades would do to me and my brethren. I'd feel a twinge of foreboding every time I passed a derrick crane.


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