Vid of Protesters Setting Fire to Basij Outpost Update: Obama Official Refuses to Condemn Brutality

Vid of Protesters Setting Fire to Basij Outpost
Update: Obama Official Refuses to Condemn Brutality

Update: A State Department official refuses to so much as condemn the regime's violent crackdown on democracy.

This is the "new JFK"? I rather liked the old one better:

Let every nation know, whether it wishes us well or ill, that we shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe, in order to assure the survival and the success of liberty.
This much we pledge—and more.
To those old allies whose cultural and spiritual origins we share, we pledge the loyalty of faithful friends. United, there is little we cannot do in a host of cooperative ventures. Divided, there is little we can do—for we dare not meet a powerful challenge at odds and split asunder.
To those new States whom we welcome to the ranks of the free, we pledge our word that one form of colonial control shall not have passed away merely to be replaced by a far more iron tyranny. We shall not always expect to find them supporting our view. But we shall always hope to find them strongly supporting their own freedom—and to remember that, in the past, those who foolishly sought power by riding the back of the tiger ended up inside.

Compare that to Obama's statement on the New Iranian Revolution:

Admittedly, it's pithier than JFK's statement.

Back the attack on the Basij hq:

...

I don't want to say "headquarters," though it is, because that would suggest it's the main hq. I doubt it is.

Nevertheless, here's the crowd attacking the building, shouting "Death to those who killed our brothers."

Via Allah with more. As he says, Iran's Tianamen Square is coming. It's not if, it's when.

The outcome might not be the same, though. At some point the government must panic and decide that a short, sharp burst of brutal violence is their best option for retaining power. Kill enough people to cow the others.

But what if they don't kill quite enough people to cow the others? Or kill so many they send the others into violent revolution?

This is similar to a hostage situation. The hostage takers don't want to start killing hostages, not due to any scruples, but because they fear what the escalation will be once they start indiscriminately killing -- will the police storm in? Will the snipers start shooting?

The cops similarly don't want to storm in, because the hostage-takers will start killing hostages the moment they do.

Both sides, then, have a vested interest in delaying the ultimate confrontation as long as possible, and in avoiding crossing the line into full-on violent resolution. They both hope that less-than-maximum shows of force will cow the other side to back down and that the situation will then be resolved peacefully, in their favor. Either the hostage takers ultimately surrender or the cops given in and pay them off and let them escape.

But at some point, someone has to win. Either one side backs down, or the situation spirals into intense violence, and someone wins just because he's still alive and his opponent isn't.

I'm not seeing a lot of room for the regime to compromise. If it reverses itself and installs Mousavi as president, they have two problems: Mousavi is no longer under their control -- quite the opposite -- and Ahmadinejad and his violent supporters are against them too. And I don't really see what lesser emolument the resisters would be willing to accept.

The "election fraud investigation" announced by the mullahs is, um, ludicrous on its face, and it's being dismissed as such. That's the limit of their "concessions," at least thusfar, and they will not be enough to appease the resisters. (Two to three million at that rally, by the way.)

Meanwhile: Where's the supposedly fascism-hating, democracy-loving left in all of this? Some are following their stated principles and supporting the resisters. But many are following Dear Leader Obama and remaining silent.

Wouldn't want to embarrass Mr. Hope and Chang by daring to criticize him -- or by supporting a Bush-like impulse to actually support democrats and freedom-seekers.

Posted by: Ace at 05:27 PM

Comments

1
Death to those who screw up my Burger King drive-thru order!

Posted by: Unicles at June 15, 2009 05:28 PM (Pff7c)

2
Seriously, these "Death to ..." chants are beginning to resemble scenes from Monty Python movies.

Posted by: Unicles at June 15, 2009 05:30 PM (Pff7c)

3 "Wouldn't want to embarrass Mr. Hope and Chang"

Racist!!!!

Posted by: someone at June 15, 2009 05:33 PM (1id+V)

4 The possibility that materiel is being smuggled into Iran from Iraq to fight the Basij is too delicious an idea not to contemplate.

Posted by: Chimney Sweep #8 at June 15, 2009 05:33 PM (kIjlp)

5 Notice who has all the guns and who doesn't. That shit would end a whole helluva lot quicker if they had a second amendment like we do,.........well for now anyway.

Jus' sayin'.

Posted by: Blazer at June 15, 2009 05:34 PM (AoS9J)

6 I'm a little busy right now. Call me back.

Posted by: death at June 15, 2009 05:34 PM (Zz0oZ)

7 speaking of embarrassing, where's the video of Bill Clinton saying he identified with the Iranian powers that be?

Posted by: joeindc44 at June 15, 2009 05:34 PM (QxSug)

I...uhhhm...am...voting....uhhmmm...'Present'...on this eerrrrrr......issue.

Pockeestahn.

Posted by: President Barack Obama at June 15, 2009 05:35 PM (5BgCg)

9
Ace asks where the democracy-loving left is on all this.

First, the Left won't do anything until the media officially declares the regime in Iran a 'rightwing' regime.

Second, 'democracy-loving left' is an oxymoron. But I'm pretty sure Ace knows that.

Posted by: Unicles at June 15, 2009 05:35 PM (Pff7c)

10 Meanwhile, our Pussy President says nothing. The fuck is probably out getting a cheeseburger.

Posted by: Jones at June 15, 2009 05:36 PM (YSqbQ)

But many are following Dear Leader Obama and remaining silent.

Remember when western cameras would show up anytime two or more Iranians were hollering in the street, burning the American flag or effigies of Uncle Sam? The camera angle would always maximize the appearance of "the protest." (Typically four or five guys.)

Posted by: rdbrewer at June 15, 2009 05:37 PM (l3weA)

12 4 The possibility that materiel is being smuggled into Iran from Iraq to fight the Basij is too delicious an idea not to contemplate.

I read on Twitter last night (yes, unreliable, duly noted) that there are lots of Arabic speaking men there, perhaps Hezbollah? In any case, the powers that be are using non-Iranians for military support.

Posted by: shibumi at June 15, 2009 05:37 PM (OKZrE)

13 That guy on the roof with the A.K. looked like he could sure use a hug..........or a blowjob, not that I'm offering or anything.

*wink*

Posted by: Nigel Tufts at June 15, 2009 05:37 PM (AoS9J)

14
This would be GREAT time to dig up all the nice things the media said about Ahmadinejad and Iran, last year, when they were trying to scare people into thinking Bush and McCain were 'beating the drums of war' for Iran.

Posted by: Unicles at June 15, 2009 05:38 PM (Pff7c)

Notice who has all the guns and who doesn't. That shit would end a whole helluva lot quicker if they had a second amendment like we do,.........well for now anyway.

Jus' sayin'.

You better believe Barack is taking notes.

Posted by: katya at June 15, 2009 05:39 PM (oRJZj)

16 Obama statement due any minute per Fox at 6:39 edt.

Posted by: Retread at June 15, 2009 05:39 PM (EOmdm)

17 I read on Twitter cnn.com last night (yes, unreliable, duly noted) that there are lots of Arabic speaking men there, perhaps Hezbollah?

FIFY

Posted by: kbdabear at June 15, 2009 05:40 PM (93F13)

18 In any case, the powers that be are using non-Iranians for military support. Posted by: shibumi

No, I was speculating about the reverse situation where the protesters may have to get weapons from Iraq to fight the regime.

Posted by: Chimney Sweep #8 at June 15, 2009 05:40 PM (kIjlp)

19 Will no one rid us of this meddlesome fucknozzle? What a buffoon.

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at June 15, 2009 05:43 PM (bmsQ/)

20 Death to Juice!

Posted by: Mamoo Achmedajihad at June 15, 2009 05:43 PM (93F13)

21
"We must work together to face the issues in these challenging times."

/applause

Posted by: Barack Obama's standard speech at June 15, 2009 05:44 PM (Pff7c)

22 We bought ourselves one expensive cup of weak tea last November.

Posted by: Jayne Cobb at June 15, 2009 05:45 PM (+MtXg)

23
Meanwhile, in Iraq...

hmmm, maybe these western 'occupiers' aren't so bad, after all.

Posted by: Unicles at June 15, 2009 05:45 PM (Pff7c)

holy shit how can anyone listen to this douche bag speak for more then 30 seconds...good fucking god.

if he actually said anything i would forget it after every 10 second tic.

Posted by: evil libertarian at June 15, 2009 05:46 PM (/LywR)

25 President Pussy..errrrr I mean Obama...any comments? What a bag of douch juice. This is the kind of response we'll get if and when we get hit again by terrorists. He'll hide in the WH behind his wife's apron. Disgusting!

Posted by: Sparky at June 15, 2009 05:46 PM (J1f2W)

26 This statement is embarrassing. The mullahs are laughing at our feckless leader.

Posted by: Ombudsman at June 15, 2009 05:46 PM (fWF4Q)

27
Death to douche bags!

Posted by: Unicles at June 15, 2009 05:47 PM (Pff7c)

28 Ya know, isn't this pretty much what the "realists" or "pragmatists" said we should have done with Iraq: just go in there, overthrow Saddam and then let chaos ensue, letting everyone just kill each other... which would be a good thing, since if they were in chaos killing each other, then they weren't organizing to kill the rest of the world, namely Americans and our allies?

So, are those same people who suggested it was a good thing to let Iraq devolve into chaos also coming out now and saying this Iran mess is a good thing too?

Which reminds me... didn't Obama say that stopping genocide in Iraq was not a good enough reason to stay there? Well, if he's that cold and heartless about Iraqis mass murdering one another, he might feel the same way about Iranians mass murdering one another. Which might explain his silence on the matter: it's not political calculation, he simply just doesn't care.

Posted by: Michael in MI at June 15, 2009 05:47 PM (ObTcs)

29 One would think it's about time for Hillary to collar Obama and read 'em the fookin riot act.

Posted by: rdbrewer at June 15, 2009 05:47 PM (l3weA)

Exactly!!

That's why there is silence..

PrompterBinky and DHS are noting...what to do when nasty right wing extremist respond to Governemnt nonsense and power grab...

If America EVER goes revolutionary...it will make the Iranians look like a Chucky Cheese party.....

With the outcome, a NEW Government for SURE!!!!!

Posted by: Knightbrigade at June 15, 2009 05:47 PM (BnZ6P)

31 I haven't seen it mentioned anywhere but I'll bet Mookie Al-Sadr is really shitting his robe right now.

Posted by: Blazer at June 15, 2009 05:48 PM (AoS9J)

32 But our President is so cool and speaks so well.I'm sure he has his best speech writer on it.

Posted by: MES41067 at June 15, 2009 05:48 PM (VmAoa)

33 Don't see where the surprise is as far as Barry's silence. It's that 3am phone call, and Barry isn't even going to vote PRESENT! Gotta run back to DC and check in with Axelrod, check the polls, see which way the wind's blowing. Maybe a couple of focus groups. You know.....showing leadership. Just like he did in the Illinois legislature and US Senate.

Those fucking assholes who voted him into office obviously never heard the adage that 'past performance is a good indicator of future performance'. In Barry's case, their getting exactly what they voted for. Nothing.

Posted by: GarandFan at June 15, 2009 05:48 PM (C3okI)

34
hahaha, according to CNN: "It's up to the Iranian people to determine their leaders."

translation: Obama: You're on your own, people of Iran.

Posted by: Unicles at June 15, 2009 05:49 PM (Pff7c)

Dear Leader finally speaks!....."Bush did it"........

Posted by: Sparky at June 15, 2009 05:49 PM (J1f2W)

36
Some dildo from TIME is spinning for Obama on CNN.

Posted by: Unicles at June 15, 2009 05:49 PM (Pff7c)

What a buffoon.

I've decided Barack isn't a buffoon. He isn't stupid. He is very, very shrewd. He knows exactly what he is doing. He does not want democracy. He does not want freedom. He wants to rule the world. He is partnered with evil. He does not care about America, not even the ones who orchestrated his rise to power. He doesn't even care about his own wife and daughters. If he did, he would oppose this particular evil. Instead, he's making nice, nice with them, bowing, shaking hands, bumping fists, making excuses, etc. Wake up, America! He does not love you. He does not care about you.

Posted by: katya at June 15, 2009 05:50 PM (oRJZj)

38 thank goodness we have such a kind well spoken president!/

Posted by: phoenixgirl at June 15, 2009 05:50 PM (XUmfN)

39 The Washington Compost had some sockpuppets from a pair of NGO's "proving" that their (ahem) polls before the election showed Achmedajihad leading 2 to 1. Some credit to them for linkin a fisk of it in the their blog by Jon Cohen

Posted by: kbdabear at June 15, 2009 05:50 PM (93F13)

40 Negotiations uber alles.

Obama just said, yeah killing folks is mean but hey, we'll negotiate with the last man standing.

I'm a foreign policy realist but this is simply craven kowtowing to thugs for no great strategic gain.

Obama...Carter without the muscular foreign policy.

Posted by: DrewM. at June 15, 2009 05:50 PM (iTt2X)

41 hahaha, according to CNN: "It's up to the Iranian people to determine their leaders." translation: Obama: You're on your own, people of Iran.

"Face it, people of Iran, you fucked up. You trusted me" - BHO

Posted by: Ombudsman at June 15, 2009 05:51 PM (fWF4Q)

Posted by: Editor at June 15, 2009 05:51 PM (pUfK9)

43 President Pussy

That there is an insult to all upstanding Feline Americans.

Posted by: PA Cat at June 15, 2009 05:51 PM (fbBAt)

44 Present, dammit, PRESENT!

^{(Dammit, Joe, can't you say ANYTHING helpful? This is supposed to be YOUR SHIT, you know! We didn't put you on the ticket because you're photogenic, or cause you're a smooth talker, you know! Get to work or it's back to the night shift at Burger King!)}

Posted by: Barack "Empty Suit" Obama at June 15, 2009 05:52 PM (MMC8r)

45 Such an economy with words.

Posted by: profligatewaste at June 15, 2009 05:53 PM (b3rrc)

46 There are those who are stuck in the past and say we should stick ten inch needles up the penis holes of the mullahs and dropping anthrax over the entire country of Iran or nuke every city.

This is a false choice.

We have a unique opportunity at this time and place to do nothing, to bravely refuse to take sides in an internal dispute between those who may push to hard for freedom and others who may wish to live within the spirit of Islamic law.

If we do not do nothing, we will have lost perhaps our only chance to ignore the whole situation and prices will rise, jobs will be lost. Catastrophe awaits us if we don't do nothing.

U-h-h-h-h-h-h-h-h-h-h-h-h-h-h-h, present!

Posted by: President Barak Obama at June 15, 2009 05:53 PM (ao5cQ)

47 Our cocksucker in chief can't do anything but talk and spend other people's money. maybe he can find another doctor convention to drone on at, or maybe he could go to cairo with another speech

what a fucking loser we have. piss on the twerp-king

Posted by: joe biden at June 15, 2009 05:54 PM (XO6Hw)

48 Obama made his statement while visiting with Italian PM. No truth to the rumor he ended answer by saying "come on guys, no follow ups. Can't I just eat my pizza?"

Posted by: DrewM. at June 15, 2009 05:54 PM (iTt2X)

49 I remember when we and the French kicked the Baader Meinhoff Gang out of Iran ...

Posted by: Sheriff Joe "Foreign Policy is my Bag" Biden at June 15, 2009 05:54 PM (Znnjc)

50 Allow me to express myself succinctly here: Fuck Obama!

Dude's a spineless piece of shit. At the least, he needs to step up and denounce the fraudulent Iranian elections and denounce the anti-democratic violence. At the least.

This ain't the Communist Chinese cracking down on the Tiananmen Square. The Iranians don't own our debt, and they don't need to be placated because they're a major trading partner with a billion man military. They're a nearly bankrupt terror state with a sizable portion of decent people held hostage by theocratic thugs.

Fuck Obama, he needs to step up, right now.

Posted by: DelD at June 15, 2009 05:54 PM (WHoJw)

51 The mullahs are laughing at our feckless leader.

Feckless, yes! Entirely lacking in feck.

Posted by: Farmer Joe at June 15, 2009 05:55 PM (SLsZo)

52
Not very Abraham Lincolnesque, is he?

Posted by: Unicles at June 15, 2009 05:55 PM (Pff7c)

Posted by: Miss Rodham-Clinton at June 15, 2009 05:55 PM (pUfK9)

54 Obama was more upset about executive pay than he is about protesters dying in the streets.

I guess we now know who the REAL bad guys are in his world.

Posted by: ExurbanKevin at June 15, 2009 05:56 PM (toqoX)

55 Obama's State Department really cannot afford to take a hard position on this. Otherwise, it won't leave them much room for how they deal with the nation.

Now, if the protesters were actually AQI terrorists... then you can be damn sure they'd be outraged at the treatment being given to them.

Courage.

Posted by: HatlessHessian at June 15, 2009 05:56 PM (7r7wy)

56 We've saved or created 150,000 Basijs with our inaction.

Posted by: Obama Administration at June 15, 2009 05:57 PM (pUfK9)

57 Look, I'm above it all.

In that I am fucking high. Biden's daughter hooked me up with the good shit.

Posted by: President UnicornSkittles at June 15, 2009 05:57 PM (Znnjc)

58 Twitter: Tehran.

http://twitter.com/persiankiwi

Glenn Reynolds. Army of Davids.

Social Singularity.

Clay Shirky, "Here's Comes Everybody." and "Gin, Television and Social Surplus."

liberal pov:
Paul Hawken. "Blessed Unrest."

All you need to change the world - hopefully for the better for all of us - is a little courage.

We don't need no stinking leaders. Thinking we needed a Great and Powerful Oz or some sort of a messiah to lead us is what what got us Obama.

Posted by: Warren Bonesteel at June 15, 2009 05:58 PM (ZMJCm)

59 All President Prissypants has to do is go on camera and say a few word of support for the protester.They would go apeshit and hang the mullas by their turbans.It would be a new era for Iran and terrorism would drop by half. He would have a defining legacy for his Presidency in only 6 months!

Is he:
A.stupid
B.lazy
C.does not give a shit
D.to busy ruining our country

Posted by: Chairman Mow at June 15, 2009 05:59 PM (x9okW)

60
Obama is sort of a god.

Posted by: Evan Thomas at June 15, 2009 05:59 PM (Pff7c)

61 Maybe this is what Joe meant when he was telling you guys to gird your loins.

Hopefully the Iranian people were listening too.

Posted by: Barack Obama at June 15, 2009 06:00 PM (AoS9J)

62 I've had more to say about this than Obama has.

^{(and I'm a dead French mime.)}

Posted by: Marcel Marceau at June 15, 2009 06:00 PM (MMC8r)

Iran?...."yes, I ran into the oval office to hide under the desk". "Never mind that Iran shit, the wife and I are going out for dinner tonight....get the keys to the helo".

Posted by: Sparky at June 15, 2009 06:00 PM (J1f2W)

64 I've decided Barack isn't a buffoon. He isn't stupid. He is very, very shrewd. He knows exactly what he is doing. He does not want democracy. He does not want freedom. He wants to rule the world. He is partnered with evil. He does not care about America, not even the ones who orchestrated his rise to power. He doesn't even care about his own wife and daughters. If he did, he would oppose this particular evil. Instead, he's making nice, nice with them, bowing, shaking hands, bumping fists, making excuses, etc. Wake up, America! He does not love you. He does not care about you.

He's playing for a few other teams.
Communism.
Islam.
Radical
Not looking out for America.
Manchurian Candidate
Destroy from within

Posted by: shibumi at June 15, 2009 06:00 PM (OKZrE)

65 I've gridded my lions.

Wait, what?

Posted by: Joe Biden at June 15, 2009 06:01 PM (Znnjc)

Obama was more upset about executive pay than he is about protesters dying in the streets.

I guess we now know who the REAL bad guys are in his world.

Barack wasn't in the limelight very long before I knew he was bad news. And it didn't have anything to do with his freaking name!

Posted by: katya at June 15, 2009 06:02 PM (oRJZj)

Much like the far-right kook fringe that I and the DHS have been warning you about, the dangerous protesters in Iran are part of a large anti-semitic cabal run by Vlaams Belang, Pat Buchanan and the Zombie Ghost of the John Birch Society mascot, with a great deal of help and money thrown in by wealthy Texan creationists.

Also, you're all banned for saying something moderately supportive about Rush Limbaugh once ten years ago. Now I'm going to listen to Jeff Beck's "Blow by Blow" for the 4 millionth time this month.

Posted by: Charles Johnson at June 15, 2009 06:03 PM (5BgCg)

68 Now would be a good time to buzz the Basij HQ with Air Force One. Scared the bejeezus out of Manhattan, should work on them too.

Posted by: Blazer at June 15, 2009 06:04 PM (AoS9J)

69 Hey Barry... get off your burger-loving, basketball-playing, POTUS-butt and do something! You can't vote present on this one....

Posted by: GuyfromNH at June 15, 2009 06:04 PM (rIUDC)

1. Insert cut-and-paste white power rant from stormfront.

2. Comment on one's own manliness, awesomeness, and so-totally-not-gayness.

3. Demand that Ace ban other posters who mock one's own previous limply argued posts.

Rinse and repeat ad nauseum.

Posted by: Nigel Tufts AKA Richard Warman AKA Adriana Lima at June 15, 2009 06:04 PM (wgLRl)

71 Somewhere, in a Swiss bank account, the answer to why Barak Obama is doing what he is doing is earning interest.

Posted by: sifty at June 15, 2009 06:05 PM (SMDcj)

72 On an episode of The Simpsons, Homer finds an old t-shirt that reads "The Ayatollah is an Assahola."

The more things change the more they stay the same.

Posted by: shibumi at June 15, 2009 06:05 PM (OKZrE)

73 I wonder if the true believers will finally disavow The Big O once the middle east is glowing in the dark? Or is that what they want?

Posted by: mpur at June 15, 2009 06:05 PM (6qYE1)

For the first time in my adult life, I'm really not proud of Iran.

Posted by: Michelle Obama at June 15, 2009 06:05 PM (5BgCg)

He's playing for a few other teams.
Communism.
Islam.

Yeah, I'm wondering how that's going. These two seem to contradict each other on many levels. Communism is athiestic. Islam is violently monotheistic. Communism is apparently equal for all, men and women alike. Islam violently oppresses women. About the only thing they share is their hatred of Jews and Christians. I keep wondering about his feelings toward his wife and daughters when he regularly befriends and defends Muslims.

Posted by: katya at June 15, 2009 06:06 PM (oRJZj)

76 My team has sprung into action, and sent a Region 4 bootleg DVD of '300' to Ahmadinejad.

Smart diplomacy, bitches!

Posted by: President Unicornpants at June 15, 2009 06:06 PM (Znnjc)

77 Barack wasn't in the limelight very long before I knew he was bad news. And it didn't have anything to do with his freaking name!

Really, you only have to hear a guy say "social justice" once to know where he's coming from.

Posted by: Farmer Joe at June 15, 2009 06:07 PM (SLsZo)

78 Hope and Chang just gavea statement...

Posted by: Anti-Harkonnen Freedom Fighter at June 15, 2009 06:08 PM (5r0Tz)

79 Told ya.

Posted by: Leonidas at June 15, 2009 06:08 PM (SMDcj)

Here's my theory on O's silence...I know there are a couple of threads going on this topic, so I apolgize if this has been floated.

During the campaign, O made a show with his "anyplace, anytime" offer to meet with Dinnerjacket, et al, because it scored him points with the leftist who thought the only reason the world hated us was W's cowboy schitck. W, it went, was the unreasonable, unhinged one...Dinnerjacket, et al, just want to be engaged by another rational leader who can speak in complete sentences. Then we would all hold hands, drink a coke and sing kumbya.

Fast-forward to President O continuing the drumbeat of dialogue, understanding, mutal respect and all of the olive branches heaped at Dinnerjacket prior to the Iranian election. Heck, O will even toss in some energy-based nuclear power, since the Iranian leadership is so rational and peaceful that they'd never misuse their stockpile.

A little further forward and O even commends the "robust debate" of the Iranian election. Hedging his bets that Dinnerjacket wins, even if the election is stolen/rigged (remember, those are features, not bugs to a Chicago pol) adding to his legitimacy. See how legit he is...he won a free election and even allowed for some "robust debate", I must meet with him.

Now, however, the wheels are coming off. Even the left is admitting that rationality and Iranian leadership probably don't belong in the same sentence.

From Richard Cohen "I’ve argued for engagement with Iran and I still believe in it, although, in the name of the millions defrauded, President Obama’s outreach must now await a decent interval.

I’ve also argued that, although repressive, the Islamic Republic offers significant margins of freedom by regional standards. I erred in underestimating the brutality and cynicism of a regime that understands the uses of ruthlessness."

And Ezra Klein, "Those of us who have long argued for the fundamental rationality of the Iranian regime have seen our case fundamentally weakened."

So, O made political points by casting Dinnerjacket as a rational, duly elected leader who was worthy of engagement from an American president, but W was just too stubborn and red-necky to see that. But the obvious farsical rigging of the election and the subsequent undeniable outrage and protest of many Iranian citizens has put O in the position of defending his willingness to directly negotiate with an obviously unhinged leadership. If he backs Dinnerjacket, he denies reality, yet if he backs the protesters and Dinnerjacket stays in power, O has no hope of negotiating anything.

Making decisions based on political expedency creates some yummy circumstances when reality kicks you in the junk.

Posted by: The Hammer at June 15, 2009 06:09 PM (YBTwf)

81 Foe the first time in my adult life, I'm really proud of the Basij.

Posted by: Michelle Obama at June 15, 2009 06:09 PM (5BgCg)

82 Obama is sort of a god.

Yep. Exactly.

And like the Greek gods, he doesn't have any problem with sitting back and watching the mortals slaughter each other.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at June 15, 2009 06:10 PM (oT+Ek)

83 OBAMA ON IRAN: In his pool spray with Berlusconi, Obama says he doesn't want to make the United States "the issue," but speaks out forcefully on the Iranian election and its aftermath..."I am deeply troubled by the violence I have been seeing on television. I think the democratic process, free speech, the ability of people to peacefully dissent -- all those are universal values and need to be respected. And whenever I see violence perpetrated on people who are peacefully dissenting, and whenever the American people see that, I think they are troubled.""There appears to be a sense of people who were so hopeful and so engaged and so committed to democracy, who now feel betrayed, and I think it's important that moving forward, whatever investigations that take place are done in a way that does not result in bloodshed, and does not result in people being stifled, in expressing their views." (6:45 p.m.)TO THE IRANIAN PEOPLE: "I would say to them that the world is watching and inspired by their participation, regardless of what the ultimate outcome of the election was. And they should know that the world is watching." (6:47 p.m.)

Posted by: Anti-Harkonnen Freedom Fighter at June 15, 2009 06:10 PM (5r0Tz)

84 My team has sprung into action, and sent a Region 4 bootleg DVD of '300' to Ahmadinejad.

Smart diplomacy, bitches!

Posted by: President Unicornpants at June 15, 2009 06:06 PM (Znnjc)

We're region 2, bitch. That's okay, though, 'cause I unlocked my PS3.

Posted by: Prez Amahdi at June 15, 2009 06:11 PM (pUfK9)

85 Yeah, I'm wondering how that's going. These two seem to contradict each other on many levels. Communism is athiestic. Islam is violently monotheistic. Communism is apparently equal for all, men and women alike. Islam violently oppresses women. About the only thing they share is their hatred of Jews and Christians.

But they are both totalitarian states; everything else can be sorted out later. And remember, the Nazi's (another lovely totalitarian group) did have Muslims as their allies.

Posted by: shibumi at June 15, 2009 06:11 PM (OKZrE)

86 Guys relax. I've just over-nighted an Ipod pre-loaded with my magnificent speeches to The Supreme Leader of Iran. See, all better.

Posted by: Barack Obama at June 15, 2009 06:11 PM (AoS9J)

87 I've sucked so many haplogroups I can identify genotypes by taste alone.

Posted by: Nigel Tufts at June 15, 2009 06:11 PM (FS9ko)

88 Why speak out when they know that shit is coming here soon?

Posted by: momma at June 15, 2009 06:11 PM (penCf)

89 Hope and Change and Hairplugs have dictated that this revolution will be allowed to die on the vine like Iraq's after GW1.

Lots more folks will die so that Bambi can get his Nobel for negotiating with Dinnerjacket. This is all about his ego and his resume.

Posted by: sifty at June 15, 2009 06:11 PM (SMDcj)

90 #82

Fucking tell me about it...

In the end, there will be only... the Blades of Athena shoved up Zeus' electrified bunghole.

Posted by: Kratos (on the back of Gaia, scaling Mt Olympus) at June 15, 2009 06:13 PM (otlXg)

91 Let's send them a Reset Button.

Posted by: Smartes woman in the world at June 15, 2009 06:14 PM (SMDcj)

92 My kittens found Obama's speech inadequate and unbecoming of a leader. They recommend at a minimum biting off Ahmadinejad's head and feasting on his liver.

Posted by: lmg at June 15, 2009 06:14 PM (Qt4Y7)

93 Obama made a statement a little before 7PM Eastern, during the Fox panel's time on Brett Baier's program. SOmeone will need to find a transcript, but it was full of those BS phrases he always uses ( troubling, work together, detests the violence, etc.) and didn't really say anything critical of the Iranian government. He reiterated the "debate" comment.

I don't think he would have said anything at all if Berlusconi wasn't there right now. What, you guys didn't know SIlvo was here? Gee, that's amazing! Well, of course you wouldn't know if you were counting on the TV, since Berlusconi has apparently become invisible.

I think Berlusconi probably made a pointed and semi-threatening comment in order to get Obama to say something. And what he said was pretty pathetic.

Posted by: Miss Marple at June 15, 2009 06:15 PM (Vli7s)

94 They recommend at a minimum biting off Ahmadinejad's head and feasting on his liver.

I thought that was Monty.

Posted by: nickless at June 15, 2009 06:16 PM (MMC8r)

95 Obama didn't forcefully call out the regime. He basically just voted present and gave the regime a pass with his cookiecutter vanilla statement.

In other words there must have been plenty of room under his bus left for the Iranian people.

Posted by: Blazer at June 15, 2009 06:17 PM (AoS9J)

He's deeply troubled?

I am following some Iranian people on Twitter and they are thanking Germany and FRANCE, for Gods sake, for their support.

Does the world see now that Obama is a coward who votes "present" on all the dangers in this world such as N. Korea and Iran??

Posted by: Christie at June 15, 2009 06:17 PM (xeVap)

Obama is sort of a god.

My God is bigger than their god.

Posted by: katya at June 15, 2009 06:18 PM (oRJZj)

98 I wager 4000 quatloos on the Basij.

Posted by: Provider One at June 15, 2009 06:18 PM (PD1tk)

99 I too wish that Obama gave Kennedy's inaugural speech today.

Posted by: seattle slough at June 15, 2009 06:19 PM (H5l9d)

100

I am following some Iranian people on Twitter and they are thanking Germany and FRANCE, for Gods sake, for their support.

France is braver than the US? I can't stand the humiliation.

Posted by: katya at June 15, 2009 06:19 PM (oRJZj)

101 And we thought we were ashamed of W! This new guy is fucking awful!

Posted by: Dixie Chicks at June 15, 2009 06:19 PM (SMDcj)

102

Has Mo talked to Curly and Larry about all this yet?

Posted by: Sparky at June 15, 2009 06:20 PM (J1f2W)

103 If Obama supports the protestors in Iran, he won't be able to smear the protestors here at the Tea Parties. He's thinking ahead, see?

Posted by: nickless at June 15, 2009 06:20 PM (MMC8r)

104 Between reading about the fucking terrorists in Bermuda eating ice cream and Dumbo-eared Bambi, this is going to be an early drunk evening.

Posted by: sifty at June 15, 2009 06:21 PM (SMDcj)

105 Reason Obama is silent on the fraudulent Iranian election: Guilty conscience.

Posted by: lmg at June 15, 2009 06:21 PM (Qt4Y7)

106 I am following some Iranian people on Twitter and they are thanking Germany and FRANCE, for Gods sake, for their support.

Didn't get much play but Australia forcefully called out the regime yesterday.Wtf, is going on here? Everyone usually follows our lead.

Posted by: Blazer at June 15, 2009 06:22 PM (AoS9J)

107 I agree. Bambi will give a speech July 5th comparing us Teas Partiers with the violence in Iran. Even with zero violence.

Posted by: sifty at June 15, 2009 06:23 PM (SMDcj)

108 This has to be the best day of my life

Posted by: Jimmy Carter at June 15, 2009 06:23 PM (IqfKc)

109 Shut up Jimmah, or I'm getting the rabbit!

Posted by: Reagan's ghost at June 15, 2009 06:24 PM (SMDcj)

110 Everyone usually follows our lead.

Yes, when we have a president who actually leads

Posted by: Ombudsman at June 15, 2009 06:28 PM (fWF4Q)

111 Where are the brave trolls? Nothing to say on this issue?

Posted by: katya at June 15, 2009 06:29 PM (oRJZj)

112 Please don't call the trolls back. The stink is just starting to fade.

Posted by: sifty at June 15, 2009 06:31 PM (SMDcj)

113 My Fellow Americans,

Today you are witnessing the will of the Iranian people in the face of tyranny, like their brothers in Tienanmen and at the Brandenburg Gate even here at the Boston Massacre they will not be ignored.

For 30 years the Islamic Revolution with an iron fist has ruled their lives and dictated their views. Even in this terror they have the courage to stand for freedom, stand for truth and stand for their rights as a free people.

I as well as the millions and millions of free people in the world stand with you.

Thanks You

OK That's what I wish Obama would say...

Posted by: JavaJoe at June 15, 2009 06:31 PM (Am6n/)

114 Game seven of the World Series, down 2-3, bottom of the ninth, 2 outs, runner on third, 3-2 count, Obama takes strike 3 looking.

Chrysler to be bought by Fiat? France leading the free world? GOOD FUCKING GRIEF!?!?!?!

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Posted by: Lemmiwinks at June 15, 2009 06:33 PM (IqfKc)

115

Uhhh ... errrr

P..

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Posted by: Barack Obama at June 15, 2009 06:35 PM (QoR4a)

116 If there was a scrap of spine in this flower child President of ours he would be offering to help with this revolution in any way possible.

Bay of Pigs air-cover anyone? Seems to be a habit with Democrats.

Posted by: sifty at June 15, 2009 06:35 PM (SMDcj)

117 I'd like to apologize to the American People. It's not me! I just scroll through what they write!

I'm with you guys! HELP!

Posted by: Presidential Teleprompter at June 15, 2009 06:37 PM (SMDcj)

118 IF the Iranian regime puts this revolt down, it might be a good moment for Israel to pull the trigger. IF the revolutionaries win, there MIGHT be a chance for a better outcome.

Posted by: lmg at June 15, 2009 06:42 PM (Qt4Y7)

119 "Wouldn't want to embarrass Mr. Hope and Chang by daring to criticize him" --Ace, I think the Siamese twin brothers you are referring to were Mr. Eng and Chang.

Posted by: runningrn at June 15, 2009 06:48 PM (3Qkku)

120

psssttttt....

Iranian people....

You might wanna take a page from Iraq...you KNOW ..IED's..snipers, etc....

Just sayin........

Go guerilla, you won't make such a big target..

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Soon after revolution, the clerics moved unexpectedly to take control, usurping the usual post-revolutionary role of the left by beginning a bloody purge of former left-wing and moderate allies, as well as members of the past regime.

And like leftist revolutionaries, they began to take the rest of the country to hell. Previous social orders and hierarchies were destroyed or turned upside-down. Educated and skilled people were thrown out of jobs, untalented and corrupt non-entities were appointed to postions of responsibility. The economic and political system (not in the greatest shape anyway) ceased to be a place where one rose through merit, but rewarded instead baser achievements.

The clerics also began spending from the state's coffers to consolidate their domestic power. The Basiji, started by Khomeini in 1979 immediately after the revolution, were volunteer citizens (actually, mostly from violent lower-class and criminal groups) who took the government's coin in return for enforcing the Islamic state's totalitarian dictates, normally through beatings, torture and murder.

Posted by: o.u. at June 15, 2009 09:00 PM (/MaYV)

123 Leon Panetta might think about smuggling in AKs. Heh. The reverse of what Amadinnerjacket did in Iraq. In fact, Leon should send in Iraqi insurgents basically loyal to the U.S. haha

Posted by: rdbrewer at June 15, 2009 09:04 PM (biLry)

124 Leon Panetta might think about smuggling in AKs. Heh. The reverse of what Amadinnerjacket did in Iraq. In fact, Leon should send in Iraqi insurgents basically loyal to the U.S. haha

Posted by: rdbrewer at June 15, 2009 09:04 PM (biLry)

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Posted by: rdbrewer at June 15, 2009 09:05 PM (biLry)

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