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Serious Non-Civil Disobedience? Plus Video of the Massive Demonstration at Mousavi Rally
Update: Vid of Regime's Basij Thugs Beating a Protester to Death

The size of this is pretty impressive. Definitely watch to get a sense of how emboldened the resisters are.

Even a BBC reporter is impressed:

I just came away from the protest. It was an incredible sight. A huge crowd, hundreds of thousands of people maybe even millions of people there in defiance of open threats from the government that they should not assemble.

They have opened fire, that is going to really ratchet up this, it could be frankly a huge political mistake for those running this country.

--Jon Leyne of the BBC Reporting from Tehran

There are reports of the resisters doing more than civil disobedience. Which is awesome. This regime isn't going to back down due to mere protests.

I'm bolding the parts that suggest the the resisters are growing in courage and power, and the tyrants are diminishing in the same.

Shots have been fired during a massive rally in Iran against last week's presidential election results, with reports saying one person was killed.
Hundreds of thousands rallied to support candidate Mir Hossein Mousavi, but a group of them was fired on from a militia base they had surrounded.

...

He says the vote was fixed - a claim President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad denies.

He dropped the f-bomb. Seems significant in its boldness.

The BBC's Jon Leyne, in Tehran, says Monday's rally was the biggest demonstration in the Islamic republic's 30-year history and described it as a "political earthquake".

It was an incredible sight. A huge crowd, hundreds of thousands of people maybe even millions of people there in defiance of open threats from the government that they should not assemble.

The security forces were staying well away< - we were even able to film and usually the secret police come in straight away and stop you. But the crowds were so enormous they were stepping back. As we drove out we saw rows of riot police stationed on the highway.

If they have opened fire, that is going to really ratchet up this, it could be frankly a huge political mistake for those running this country.

The government had outlawed any protest following two days of unrest, with the interior ministry warning that "any disrupter of public security would be dealt with according to the law".

Which means the resisters are currently breaking the tyrant's law without consequence, which only can serve to encourage them.

It's not only tyrants who find weakness provocative -- democrats and liberals (classical senses) find them provocative too.

Despite this, correspondents said riot police had been watching the rally during the afternoon and had seemed to be taking no action.

..."

A photographer at the scene told news agencies that security forces had killed one protester and seriously wounded several others. A man is said to have been arrested over the shooting.

Why was he arrested (assuming he was arrested)? Arrested for carrying out the will of the state? If this is true it suggests the mad mullahs are afraid to retaliate.

This is big:

...

He said the shooting began when the crowd attacked a compound used by a religious militia linked to the country's powerful Revolutionary Guard.

North of Tehran, in an area better controlled by the mad mullahs, they're actively hunting down protesters, the article reports. (Or rather reports that there are reports of such.) Even so: That is control of certain areas, and apparent loss of control over others. Not a good sign for a regime that relies upon terror to maintain its power.

Thanks to DanF.

Just as personal point, when I started this blog I linked a lot of protests in Iran. I read a lot into the Zorasterian fire-celebrations (outlawed by the government0 as indicating some loss of control of the mullahs.

Obviously those hopes were unfounded. I gave up on Iran after a while believing the mullahs would never be forced out of power by popular pressure.

In this case... well, this seems like a very serious threat to the mullah's power indeed.

"That File is Shut Forever:" Why should Obama even hedge his bets? Achmadinejad just declared he has no interest at all in negotiating away his precious nukes:

Confrontation of some kind, though, is looking more likely no matter what the administration may wish. Mahmoud Ahmadinejad declared in his victory speech over the weekend that he will never negotiate with anyone over his regimes nuclear weapons. That file is shut forever, he said.

Poll: Most Americans Think Obama's a Mewling Sissyboy: "Not tough enough" on Iran and North Korea, at least.

Most Americans -- including majorities of Democrats, Republicans and independents -- say President Obama has not been tough enough on North Korea and Iran.

A FOX News poll released Monday finds more than two-thirds of Americans say Obama has not been tough enough on North Korea (69 percent), while some 15 percent think his actions have been "about right" and 3 percent think he has been too tough.

Sizable majorities of Democrats (65 percent), Republicans (78 percent) and independents (61 percent) agree Obama should be tougher on North Korea. Among those voters who backed Obama in the 2008 presidential election, 59 percent say he has not been tough enough.

Thanks to DrewM.

Counter-Evidence: The tyrants are going down with at least some fight. Although they may have ceded some thuggish sovereignty against huge masses of people, they're still wiling to beat the hell out of -- and the life out of -- protesters who don't have sufficient numbers on their side.

This may not really be counter-evidence of general weakening of the regime. As the BBC report pointed out, in some areas the government is "hunting down" protesters.


14 clips compiled by Breitbart of the spiraling violence.

Question: Will NBC call upon its experts to declare Iran in a state of "civil war"?

Allah writes:

Mousavi hasnt been seen since the election, by the way. Is he dead? In prison? Or, as another hot rumor has it, is he meeting with Khatami and Rafsanjani to form a united reformist front? Khatami was president for eight years before Ahmadinejad; Rafsanjani is currently head of the Assembly of Experts, Irans equivalent of the College of Cardinals. If they align with Mousavi and recruit some of the countrys other leading ayatollahs to their cause, government officials will be forced to take sides and the regime will crack wide open. No wonder theyre in such a hurry to arrest opposition leaders.

He also floated this interesting idea: Achmadinjed's "election" is a real coup against the (formerly) actual power center of Iran, the mullahs.

Why is Khamenei so invested in an Ahmadinejad victory, especially if, as were forever being told, he holds the ultimate power to set policy in Iran? Mousavis no secularist or squish; hes basically Ahmadinejad lite, duly vetted and approved by Irans Guardian Council as Islamic enough to lead the country. The New Yorker theorizes that Khamenei got nervous about how much youth support Mousavi was getting and decided to torpedo him lest he bring some fundie version of Hopenchange to the presidency. But why would Khamenei worry about that when the regime did such an effective job of containing Khatamis reformist agenda 10 years ago? The safe play would have been to appease the kids by crowning Mousavi the winner, enacting a few token reforms, and then muddling along with the nuke kabuki until they have the bomb. Instead, he validated an electoral sham so brazen that it has the country inching towards revolution. Why? Occams Razor suggests that this is a true coup, with Ahmadinejad rigging the results himself and then somehow forcing Khamenei to bless them. But how could he manage that? Whats really going on here?

Either the mullahs saw Mousavi as a genuine threat, or Ahmadinejad turned out to be the real threat, and seized power by coercing them. Either way it suggests that it's vital that Ahmadinejad fail: Either Mousavi is someone the mullahs can't control, in which case he represents a positive change from the current regime, or the frankly insane Ahmadinejad has taken power and can himself no longer be controlled by the mullahs. And, as odd as it is to write, the mullahs are, it is often suggested, much more sane and cautious than the Ahmadinejad.

It should be noted that Ahmadinejad belongs to is suspected of belonging to a sub-cult of Islam which preaches the virtues of the cleansing fires of Apocalypse. This sub-cult was found to be dangerously insane -- (Link to Democratic Underground.)

Hojjatieh is a semi-clandestine Iranian organization which is radically anti-Bah' and anti-Sunni. The group flourished during the 1979 revolution that ousted the Shah and installed an Islamic government in his place. However it was banned in 1983 by Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini, the father of the revolution. They believe that chaos must be created to hasten the coming of the Mahdi, the 12th Shi'ite imam. Only then, they argue, can a genuine Islamic republic be established. The Hojjatieh is more of an anarchic-Islamic group than your typical Islamic fundamentalist group.

The current president of Iran Mahmud Ahmadinejad is rumored to be an advocate of this group, though this has not been confirmed anywhere.

If the Ayatollah Kholmeinhi thinks you're crazy, you've got problems.

BTW: The Wikipedia entry the Democratic Underground post cites has been changed. The current Wikipedia entry is more anodyne, soft-pedaling the Apocalyptic millennialist nature of the cult.


Posted by: Ace at 04:11 PM



Comments

1 Maybe we should ask Harry Reid to declare this revolution over.

Posted by: sherlock at June 15, 2009 04:17 PM (ZrS0c)

2 Attacking the Basij facility is huge.  And really, only one confirmed death at the hands of the regime at this protest of 2-3 million seems incredibly weak.  They should start marching on whatever building holds the Supreme Council.

Posted by: Dudley Smith at June 15, 2009 04:17 PM (0S8Xt)

3 I'm still not hopeful.

Posted by: Greek Chorus at June 15, 2009 04:18 PM (PD1tk)

4
The silence from hussein obama and SecState is deafening.

Posted by: Dang Straights at June 15, 2009 04:18 PM (Haq+B)

5
Why isn't George Bush getting credit for sowing the seeds of democracy in the Middle East muslim countries?

President Bush said bringing democracy to Iraq would cause the people in the neighboring countries would want some, too.

Yet Obama was getting credit last week because of his standard, glib, pabulum speech in Cairo?

Posted by: Unicles at June 15, 2009 04:18 PM (Pff7c)

6 It would be nice if they got rid of the mullahs. It would make me feel almost hopey and changey. At least about Iran.

Posted by: shibumi at June 15, 2009 04:21 PM (OKZrE)

7

It wouldn't surprise me if the elections were rigged, but, then again,we're talking about crazy towel head people. It's equally possible that Ahmadidjead won fair and square.   

Remember the elections in Iraq:  nearly everyone voted for sectarian parties whose policies amounted to rewards for you and chopped off heads (or at best subordination) of your religious and tribal enemies.  Mousavi's platform appears modest; he wants to stop corruption, end Iran's isolation, and help with bread and butter economic issues.  That's all fine and dandy, but he's still a Muslim, he was running show there in Iran-Iraq War when Iranians were shooting at American ships, and I've not heard seriously from anyone that he's going to undo the theocratic structure of Iran.  Well, I can't get too excited about a better run Islamic Republic of Iran.  I want a weak Iran so long as it's an Islamic Republic, and if Ahmadinidjead does that, then bully for him. 

It seems pretty arrogant and presumption to think these crazy people who have supported their crazy leadership for so long could not have elected a crazy man by a landslide.  And I don't see any major upside to the US picking one crazy sectarian over another in a foreign election. 

Posted by: Roach at June 15, 2009 04:23 PM (tV40C)

8 I blame bush, this is all his fault

Posted by: jp at June 15, 2009 04:23 PM (DFDtC)

9 Keep in mind that even though Mousavi is referred to as a "moderate" he is nothing of the sort, he is less publicly confrontational than Ahmanutjob he is one side of the same coin, recall out of 429 candidates vetted by the Guardian council only four were approved Mousavi was one of them it is like saying Mousalini was more moderate than Hitler not enough differance to matter.

Posted by: Oldcrow at June 15, 2009 04:26 PM (Q/BOf)

10 It is Bush's fault, he encouraged the people of Iran to look for freedom and stuff like that.  If Iran were to go legit, then one of the major sponsors of world wide terror would be shutdown, without firing a shot on our part.  All thanks to Bush.

Posted by: joeindc44 at June 15, 2009 04:26 PM (QxSug)

11 I agree with the above and I do think this is important.

Posted by: NortonPete at June 15, 2009 04:27 PM (fVuwW)

12

"Yet Obama was getting credit last week because of his standard, glib, pabulum speech in Cairo?"

All this must be confusing to Bambi. He doesn't know yet what to take credit for, hence his silence.

Posted by: Javems at June 15, 2009 04:28 PM (hq71Y)

13 Why isn't George Bush getting credit for sowing the seeds of democracy in the Middle East muslim countries?

President Bush said bringing democracy to Iraq would cause the people in the neighboring countries would want some, too.

A rhetorical question, of course. We all know the answer.

I suspect that W couldn't give a rat's ass about getting the credit in the short-term, or even within his lifetime. He'll be content with knowing that, on the large issues, he did what was right.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at June 15, 2009 04:29 PM (oT+Ek)

14 I think this is now beyond just Mousavi supporters.

Posted by: Javems at June 15, 2009 04:30 PM (hq71Y)

15

We should be taking notes.

This will be us after the 2010 elections, unless some of the 52's wake up.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at June 15, 2009 04:30 PM (ZGhSv)

16 Poll: Most Americans Think Obama's a Mewling Sissyboy

Yes, but they think he's super cool and would vote for him again in a New York minute. He's so dreamy! And well spoken!

/sarc

Posted by: shibumi at June 15, 2009 04:31 PM (OKZrE)

17 I'm really into young Arab boys.

Posted by: Nigel Tufts at June 15, 2009 04:31 PM (qSWxU)

18

We should be taking notes.

This will be us after the 2010 elections, unless some of the 52's wake up.

This kind of comment cheapens the bravery of these protesting Iranians.  With all due respect, the state of our country right now is nowhere near where Iran is. 


Posted by: dan-O at June 15, 2009 04:33 PM (teb/C)

19

TEHERAN: (AP) In a statement released only moments ago, President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad insisted that not only was he not going to negotiate away his regime's nuclear weapons, he was at that moment responding to unrest in Teheran by dropping the first atomic weapon there, as a statement that would (quote) really get that 12th Imam thing cooking (unquote). "When I emerge unscathed from the radioactive rubble, this will show the unstoppable legitimacy of the Islamic Revolution!", Ahmadinejad stated. The rest of the telephone interview was drowned in static.

President Obama responded to the statement thusly:  "I'm certain that the unrest in Iran will abate with the growing legitimacy of the Islamic Revolution, and that that big dust cloud over Teheran we're seeing on the satillites is just some climate-change thingy. I look forward to working closely with His Most Honorable Sir Premier President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad in his ongoing efforts to bring peace to this region, even if this peace is what SOME PEOPLE are actively not working toward. Now excuse me, I have a 2 pm teeoff time. Thank you, and may Me bless."

Posted by: Sort-of-Mad Max at June 15, 2009 04:33 PM (ERJIu)

20 I hope that Iran can overthrow their government for a peaceful, moderate state. But I'm also scared that when it happens I'll have to listen to Obama and his fucknuts tell us that's what his Foreign Policy got us, a Moderate Iran.

Posted by: Brenden at June 15, 2009 04:33 PM (54lqZ)

21 Where is Janeane Garofalo, Keith Olbermann and Anderson Cooper's outrage on this? Shouldn't they be shouting down and sneering at these right wing tea-baggers protesting their government ?

Posted by: Blazer at June 15, 2009 04:33 PM (AoS9J)

22 No no no. You're getting your epithets wrong.

AoS isn't a "typical American warbloggin' site". It's a "smart military blog".

With boobies.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at June 15, 2009 04:34 PM (oT+Ek)

23 I get really excited over Iranian missle "development" and would like to offer my support in more missle development ... especially in "developing" the long, hard missles of any willing or unwilling Arabian boys.

Posted by: Nigel Tufts at June 15, 2009 04:34 PM (qSWxU)

24 Oddly enough - Jimmy Carter, the guy who had concerns about shenanigans with the US electoral process and who sticks his nose in damn near every country that has elections, is, apparently, sitting this whole Iran thing out. 

The Carter Center's website is oddly silent on the quesiton of Iran and its elections.

Having lived through the Carter years, I understand this.

-

Posted by: BumperStickerist at June 15, 2009 04:35 PM (ruzrP)

25 @NigelTufts - how about the nukes even the UN acknowledges are near?  When did the UN become a right-wing warbloggin site?

In other words, DIAF, you fucking lefty troll.

Posted by: Alice H at June 15, 2009 04:35 PM (qJHYy)

26 You fuckers are imperialist warmongers.

>>>> Oh stop it.  You're making me blush.

Posted by: WalrusRex at June 15, 2009 04:36 PM (xxgag)

27

Sorry, dan-o. I didn't mean to demean them or their effort. Actually, I'm kinda proud of them.

I'll try to include sarc tags in the future.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at June 15, 2009 04:37 PM (ZGhSv)

28 'Guess Lightworker should've sent a reset button to that tiny country, Iran, too.

Posted by: Y-not at June 15, 2009 04:37 PM (sey23)

29

@24:  Jimmy Carter certified Venezuela's "election" of Hugo Chavez a few years ago too.  So I personally am glad that he is sitting this one out.  Maybe someone told him to keep his mouth shut.  He is an embarrassment to the office of the President.

Posted by: dan-O at June 15, 2009 04:37 PM (teb/C)

30 I could just get lost in one of those soft, sexy mullah beards.

Ohhhh! I think I just had a mini-orgasm!

Posted by: Nigel Tufts at June 15, 2009 04:37 PM (qSWxU)

31 I'm waiting for a Tehran Tienanmen.

Not to say I wouldn't like to see the mullahs tumble, but I think they'll unleash a bloodbath before that happens.

This has to have ratboy in Damascus scared as all hell, though.  If Iran could suddenly have their own sea change, it could change the face of the Middle East for the better, and Israel wouldn't have to lift a finger in the process.

Posted by: nickless at June 15, 2009 04:37 PM (MMC8r)

32 One of the headlines on the Carter Center website:

Ghanaian Reggae Artist Sings Out Against Guinea Worm Disease, Educates Concert-Goers About Prevention

Heh.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at June 15, 2009 04:37 PM (oT+Ek)

33 The silence from hussein obama and SecState is deafening.



He's just waiting to see who wins The Superbowl before deciding who to root for.

Posted by: Blazer at June 15, 2009 04:37 PM (AoS9J)

34 And now a word from our societal sponsor:  another uprising and/or revolution facilitated by Evil America, inventor of Internet and Twitter...


Posted by: flooflyparisparamus at June 15, 2009 04:38 PM (jbnM7)

35 The poll says that most Americans KNOW Obambi is a Mewling Sissyboy.

Did someone say boobies?

Posted by: CUS at June 15, 2009 04:38 PM (wOGfT)

36

Err, what nukes? The ones Israel has been saying since 1982 that they are "6 months" away from deploying?

Please supply evidence for this statement.

Posted by: Cobalt Shiva at June 15, 2009 04:39 PM (sGtp+)

37 I thought we were imperious warmongers.

or maybe we were mpious warmongers.

damn ...I can never remember which.

Posted by: BumperStickerist at June 15, 2009 04:39 PM (ruzrP)

38 Now is when I cover up for my love of young male flesh by screaming HOMO! at all of you.

Posted by: Nigel Tufts at June 15, 2009 04:39 PM (qSWxU)

39 "Please supply evidence for this statement."

Please have your little sister suck my cock, faggot, I don't step and fetch, least of all for you.

See what I did there? Now no one will notice that I'm wearing my sisters panties and masterbating furiously to Sesame Street.

Posted by: Nigel Tufts at June 15, 2009 04:40 PM (qSWxU)

40 Ace, is it too much to ask that you finally pull the toilet handle on the turd that is Herr Nigel/Lima of The Waffen-SS. I mean we've been patiently waiting.

Posted by: Blazer at June 15, 2009 04:41 PM (AoS9J)

41

O will come out with soaring oratory declarations as soon as he can decide how doing so will enhance his stature, regardless of how freedom fares. 

Not a second before. 

Posted by: The Hammer at June 15, 2009 04:41 PM (YBTwf)

42

Ace, is it too much to ask that you finally pull the toilet handle on the turd that is Herr Nigel/Lima of The Waffen-SS. I mean we've been patiently waiting.

I think Nigel is about to let us in on some longstanding.....issues he's been having.

Posted by: Sort-of-Mad Max at June 15, 2009 04:42 PM (ERJIu)

43 I could care less about the actual candidate-he's probably better than the current guy but the mullahs are the actual authority.  it's the people who might get out of control and decide that they want their sham vote and sham election to mean something that might be interesting. 

Posted by: ed at June 15, 2009 04:43 PM (Urhve)

44 I thought we were imperious warmongers.

Fraggers.

Posted by: toby928: fagotty faux-con fragger at June 15, 2009 04:44 PM (PD1tk)

45 Plz don't tell my skinhead friends that I want to suck their cocks. They'll kick me out of their hate club and I won't be allowed to drink beer with them in their mom's garage.

Posted by: Nigel Tufts at June 15, 2009 04:45 PM (qSWxU)

46 If only there were a western power, with forces in a neighboring country, who had some extra AKs--maybe a small artillery piece or two--that they could get across Iran's borders.  The regime's opposition, and even the demonstrators, may not be pro-west or pro-democracy, but throwing a little firepower into an already chaotic situation might present an opportunity for getting someone reasonable into the big chair in Iran.

Posted by: wuzzagrunt at June 15, 2009 04:45 PM (FZTOQ)

47 Pray for our Troops and God Bless them and their Families, they are really in harms way now more than they ever were.

Posted by: 'Nam Grunt at June 15, 2009 04:46 PM (qegH4)

48 I've been absent for awhile, is Nigel an aspiring troll?  Viewing the current situation through the prism of American left versus right is illustrative of leftwing ignorance and narcissism. 

First off, the cultural and religious set points in Iran are incongruent with America, it just doesn't work.

Second, leftists eschew reality and instead argue against their own prejudices.  Pay attention, American style conservatism is anti-totalitarian.  The Mullahs and their party are progressive (as hailed by Uncle Bill a few years back).  That is, the ruling party is inherently totalitarian and therefore closer to the left wing of the west.  The west's leftwing religion is socialism while Iran chooses Islam.  The demonstrators are not left/right, they are Iranian people with their own agenda (apparently getting rid of a theocratic socialist government...i.e., totalitarians).

Leftists who say these things are once again demonstrating complete ignorance and narcissism. 

Posted by: joeindc44 at June 15, 2009 04:47 PM (QxSug)

49 When he's not busy cheering on the snuffing out of whitey he's demanding censorship, what a faggot.

On behalf of white people everywhere, we'd prefer to have a different advocate than you.

Posted by: nickless at June 15, 2009 04:48 PM (MMC8r)

50

OK, how do you prevent Guniea Worm Disease?

 

Posted by: Javems at June 15, 2009 04:48 PM (hq71Y)

51 18

We should be taking notes.

This will be us after the 2010 elections, unless some of the 52's wake up.

This kind of comment cheapens the bravery of these protesting Iranians.  With all due respect, the state of our country right now is nowhere near where Iran is. 

Posted by: dan-O at June 15, 2009 04:33 PM

I agree with the original thought with a slight change...I see it being necessary after O decides 2 terms isn't enough for him. 

I do applaud the stones it takes to stand up to those who own all the guns.  We should, however, tread cautiously, as it's not like these protesters are carrying around American flags.  They're idea of freedom and ours probably are only distant kin.  Still, it's a step in the freedom direction and that's a good thing. 

Posted by: The Hammer at June 15, 2009 04:48 PM (YBTwf)

52 BackwardsBoy: You might be kinda proud of them ... but I'm jealous of them.

We need a million angry Americans marching in our streets protesting.

Posted by: Kristopher at June 15, 2009 04:49 PM (EqbaN)

53 50

OK, how do you prevent Guniea Worm Disease?


>>>>  Make sure your Guniea Worm exercises and eats right.

Posted by: WalrusRex at June 15, 2009 04:50 PM (xxgag)

54 Just because I'm a skinhead doesn't mean I don't enjoy a relaxing bubble bath every now and then.

Posted by: Nigel Tufts at June 15, 2009 04:51 PM (qSWxU)

55 53, WalrusRex at June 15, 2009 04:50 PM (xxgag)

I should go wash my hands with bleach huh?

Posted by: 'Nam Grunt at June 15, 2009 04:52 PM (qegH4)

56 The Iranian people's satisfaction with the election results seem to be in doubt. So does the sound guy's ability to hold back his laughter

Posted by: Joe Capt. Obvious Biden at June 15, 2009 04:52 PM (93F13)

57 "We need a million angry Americans marching in our streets protesting."

Protesting what? That the socialist candidate who murdered thirty thousand political opponents and buried them in a mass grave lost? Ace, ban this piece of shit commie.

Posted by: Nigel Tufts at June 15, 2009 04:53 PM (qSWxU)

58 The Mullahs need to go, or nothing will change in Iran.

Meanwhile, Obama votes "present" because he has no idea what to do.

You know what would be great right now? If America actually had a President.

Posted by: ghost707 at June 15, 2009 04:53 PM (ixv8I)

59 I wonder if the Ayatollah wears any underwear underneath his robe or goes commando. I'd really like to crawl up there and find out.

Posted by: Nigel Tufts at June 15, 2009 04:53 PM (AoS9J)

60 Too bad, I'm the only one with the stones to fight back, until you pansies fight for yourselves you get me as your Field Marshall.

Fuck off.  My Jewish lawyer's better than you could ever be.

Posted by: nickless at June 15, 2009 04:54 PM (MMC8r)

61 50, 53

Thank you for a much-needed laugh on this troubling day.

Posted by: goddessoftheclassroom at June 15, 2009 04:55 PM (31uhq)

62 All too often, people mistake my resolution to be resolute. I left Kim off the invitation list to my Hopenchange Independence Day BBQ, didn't I?

Posted by: B Obama at June 15, 2009 04:55 PM (93F13)

63 I'm the only one with the stones to fight back

And you're fight back how, exactly?  I doubt that your incoherent trolling is advancing the cause of Aryan supremacy.

Posted by: toby928: faggotty faux-con fragger at June 15, 2009 04:56 PM (PD1tk)

64 I think it's a good start in Iran, hope those brave youngsters keep it up!

Posted by: 'Nam Grunt at June 15, 2009 04:56 PM (qegH4)

65 Good God I wish these people well.  I hope they can get out from under the fist of tyrants.  But what happens then?

Posted by: doug at June 15, 2009 04:56 PM (I6iFS)

66 Yeah, I'll take whatever small step towards freedom the Iranians choose to take over a running pace towards nuclear war. But that's just me.

As for that fucktard Carter, he would watch you get punched in the face and then say that didn't happen in court.

Posted by: Brenden at June 15, 2009 04:57 PM (54lqZ)

67 When not studying Ernst Lunz, I like to scrapbook and do window treatment's. I find it brings out the feminist Nazi side in me.

Posted by: Nigel Tufts at June 15, 2009 04:59 PM (AoS9J)

68 Go Iranian Protestors! Make the thugs fear and quake for their very lives. Take your freedom through force. Bow your head to no dictator. Now is the time! 

Posted by: maddogg at June 15, 2009 04:59 PM (OlN4e)

69 65, doug at June 15, 2009 04:56 PM (I6iFS)

They enjoy the quasi freedom that Iraq has, and maybe start having the freedom to surf the internet unimpeded, listen to rock music, wear American clothes, drive cars and VOTE!

Posted by: 'Nam Grunt at June 15, 2009 04:59 PM (qegH4)

70 Mousavi hasnt been seen since the election, by the way. Is he dead? In prison?

That's not current any more; Mousavi spoke at the recent protest.

By the way, as much as I support this movement, I also know that Mousavi is not much better than Amadinejad.  But, baby steps...

Posted by: sandy burger at June 15, 2009 05:01 PM (twiRb)

71 From NRO http://corner.nationalreview.com/ :

General Strike Tomorrow in Iran   [Michael Ledeen]

Called by Mousavi, who asks supporters to confront the thugs with flowers, not guns.

Which is the right strategy, surely. I don't think Mousavi can win a gunfight, but I think he can certainly win a mass confrontation.

Still waiting for the Messiah to pronounce on the deeper meaning of it all . . .


Posted by: goddessoftheclassroom at June 15, 2009 05:01 PM (31uhq)

72 "Fuck off. My Jewish lawyer's better than you could ever be."

Jews hate white people more than black people do, and that's saying a lot. They've never forgiven us for knocking over their temple two thousand years ago and have had a grudge ever since. Ergo, we need a White American homeland to defend ourselves from their genocidal vengeance and from other murderous ethnic hate groups. Shouldn't be a problem; they think we're racist? Fine, leave us alone, fuckers, stay in New York we'll take the rest of the continent.

Idea: we should recognize Israel as the Jewish state if and only if the Jew recognizes America as an Anglo-Saxon state. I'm pragmatic.

Posted by: Nigel Tufts at June 15, 2009 05:02 PM (qSWxU)

73 OK, how do you prevent Guniea Worm Disease?

First off, beware of the lumber that Habitat For Humanity uses for their housing projects.

One might also consider laying off the raw peanuts...

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at June 15, 2009 05:03 PM (oT+Ek)

74 Boy it's nice to see the nazi get the trademark AoS treatment he's deserved for a week.  Thanks, Ace!

Posted by: Methos at June 15, 2009 05:04 PM (wU8X9)

75 72, Nigel Tufts at June 15, 2009 05:02 PM (qSWxU)

Ummm Fuck You!!! and I mean that sincerely!

Posted by: 'Nam Grunt at June 15, 2009 05:04 PM (qegH4)

76 You know what would be great right now? If America actually had a President.

Yeah, well, we might not ever have a real election again, thanks to ACORN.

Posted by: shibumi at June 15, 2009 05:05 PM (OKZrE)

77 I doubt that your incoherent trolling is advancing the cause of Aryan supremacy.

Be careful not to let Nigel know that "Aryan" is actually derived from "Iran."  As in, the true Caucasian Aryans are those folks in Iran who came out of the Caucasus mountains.  And Nigel wants to kill them.  Therefore, Nigel is a self hating Caucasian Aryan.

Posted by: wooga at June 15, 2009 05:05 PM (2p0e3)

78 Look, uuuhhhmm, whoever, uhhh wins...or is ummmmm...has been found to be the winner....of...uhhmmm, that tiny country's election, errrrrm, has the, uuuuum most votes...whatever..., they will get the uhhhhhh full support uhhhhmmm to build nuclear weapons...errrr...nuclear energy...facilities..uuuuuhhhmmm....reactors. Yes.  No preconditions....errrruuuhhm. Yes.  We will....uhhhm...also work with uhhhm...Pockeestahn.  Pockeestahn. 

Posted by: President Barack Obama at June 15, 2009 05:07 PM (5BgCg)

79 Nigel, you haven't figured out that the Juice are secretly to blame for the unrest in Iran as well as Guniea Worm Disease? Thats it, your NADP membership is revoked.

Posted by: Penfold's Teleprompter at June 15, 2009 05:07 PM (lF2Kk)

80 That's funny, Nigel.  As far as I can tell, Jews are white.  I don't remember the "Children of God's Covenant with Abraham" being a separate shoice on my census forms last time.  But then my eyesight isn't very good.

Posted by: Methos at June 15, 2009 05:07 PM (wU8X9)

81 Mousavi hasnt been seen since the election, by the way. Is he dead?

I don't know when Allah wrote that but Mosavi was at the rally Monday afternoon. He's not dead or under arrest (or wasn't as of early today US time).

Posted by: DrewM. at June 15, 2009 05:08 PM (iTt2X)

82 79-How long do you think it'll be before dinner jacket decides to declare Mousavi as a "Zionist agent of the Zionist entity where Zionists live with other Zionists"?

Posted by: Methos at June 15, 2009 05:10 PM (wU8X9)

83 I meant NSADP.

Posted by: Penfold's Teleprompter at June 15, 2009 05:10 PM (lF2Kk)

84 79-How long do you think it'll be before dinner jacket decides to declare Mousavi as a "Zionist agent of the Zionist entity where Zionists live with other Zionists"?

How long before Nigel does?

Posted by: nickless at June 15, 2009 05:10 PM (MMC8r)

Posted by: Blazer at June 15, 2009 05:14 PM (AoS9J)

86

The mullahs are just destroying Iran in order to save it...

kinda like what Barry's doing to our country.

Posted by: Human Cannonball at June 15, 2009 05:15 PM (GzZVw)

87 I hope the Iraqis are secretly funneling intel, weapons, money or whatever to the protesters.

Posted by: Nom de Blog at June 15, 2009 05:15 PM (1Bods)

88

I don't know what this opposition is for.  It's like Sadr vs. Saddam Hussein as best I can tell.  I do understand the desire to see good things in this shithole part of the world, but we're talking about Muslims here.  Muslims are no good at democracy, and the best thing for us would be secular strongmen types to keep the Muslims down.  Muslim democracy ends up with Hamas elected as in Palestine.  Don't forget about that. 

We should not make a big deal; the place will be an oppressive dump even if this guy gets elected.  Because he and his supporters will view political power as an opportunity for awesome revenge on their erstwhile opponents. 

Don't be so easily manipulated.  What's this guy for?  What did he do that was so great when he ran the show in Iran in the 1980s when Iran was our arch-enemy!!!

Posted by: Roach at June 15, 2009 05:16 PM (3sYED)

89

Is uuuuhhhh.......there a ummmmm.....eeeeeerrrrrrrum....faux-ethnic way of pronouncing.....uhhhm...Iran that uhhhh makes me look ...errr... cool and multicultural?  I'm...going to...uhhhh...looking to....uhhhm make a statement about...the....uhhhhhm Iranian...votes....election...and I...uhhhh need to....get...the tone...of...condescending....know-it-all....uhhhhmmm just right.  So yeah...uhhhmm little help here. 

Posted by: President Barack Obama at June 15, 2009 05:17 PM (5BgCg)

90 Whats the difference between me and a refrigerator?


A refrigerator doesnt crap on you when you pull the meat out.

Posted by: Nigel Tufts at June 15, 2009 05:19 PM (AoS9J)

91 By....the...uhhhhm...way-have I...uuuhhhhm...mentioned my middle name is...errrrrm....Hussein?

Posted by: President Barack Obama at June 15, 2009 05:21 PM (5BgCg)

92 I'm sexually attracted to my brother. What of it? At least I'm not a Jooooo.

Posted by: Nigel Tufts at June 15, 2009 05:21 PM (qSWxU)

93

Hey, Bambi, did you ever notice how every time a US President decides to sit on his thumb and do nothing while brave people try to win their freedom, we end up a few years later a) regretting it, and b)calling him a pussy?

Oh, wait, you're a Dem... nevermind, you don't do that history thing, and the MSM will make sure nobody will ever blame you for anything.

Posted by: sherlock at June 15, 2009 05:23 PM (xqzGc)

94

You would think the CIA would be helping out here, but looks like they are too afraid of Cheney to get their asses in gear.

This sure looks like what I would call a Civil War, remember this is EXACTLY how the Shaw was overthrown.  These people have hit the tipping point, and looks like they are all in.  I expect a curfew and probably martial law. 

Big question, what are the military doing? Will the army back the people? 

Obama, better get on this train before it leaves the station so he can take some credit.

Kemp 

Posted by: Kempermanx at June 15, 2009 05:23 PM (2+9Yx)

95 Gay Neo-Nazi submissive bottom seeks dominant power top for loads of milky late night fun.




Posted by: Nigel Tufts at June 15, 2009 05:26 PM (AoS9J)

96 I'm nearly as skeptical as anyone here about Mousavi and his followers, though this looks to have passed from him to the point of "we're mad as hell and not going to take it anymore."  And I don't think Islam is particularly compatible with the concept of democracy or freedom generally, especially as practiced in the middle east.  But I wonder just how many 'muslims' there would be in a 'muslim' country like Iran if converting to anything else wasn't a death penalty offense?

I guess what I'm really looking for is if the revolt is just against dinner jacket, or against the whole power structure.  Do the mullahs and their henchmen get drug out of the mosques and such to unfortunate ends, or do they stay.  I think that will determine whether this 'revolution' ultimately matters.

Posted by: Methos at June 15, 2009 05:26 PM (wU8X9)

97 Ace, is it too much to ask that you finally pull the toilet handle on the turd that is Herr Nigel/Lima of The Waffen-SS.

That makes me sad.

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at June 15, 2009 05:27 PM (bmsQ/)

98 @95



Woops, sorry, wrong site. That was meant for CraigsList.

Posted by: Nigel Tufts at June 15, 2009 05:27 PM (AoS9J)

99 Here's hoping that Dinnerjacket ends up looking like Swiss cheese before this is over.

I hope the protesters don't stop until they have the mullahs' asses in a sling.

Still stinking the place up, Tufty Smurf?




Posted by: sifty at June 15, 2009 05:28 PM (SMDcj)

100 I sure hope the CIA is over there helping to rouse the rabble.  That is, I would if they were more competent.

Posted by: Ombudsman at June 15, 2009 05:28 PM (fWF4Q)

101 Well, I'm perfectly happy standing shoulder to shoulder with my white Jewish brothers, even if Sarah Silverman is confused.  Or she may have been making a joke, being a comedian and all.

Posted by: Methos at June 15, 2009 05:30 PM (wU8X9)

102 I sure hope the CIA is over there helping to rouse the rabble.  That is, I would if they were more competent.

Mossad probably is. 

But then they're devious 'ethnics,' you know.

Posted by: nickless at June 15, 2009 05:31 PM (MMC8r)

103 93

Hey, Bambi, did you ever notice how every time a US President decides to sit on his thumb and do nothing while brave people try to win their freedom, we end up a few years later a) regretting it, and b)calling him a pussy?

Oh, wait, you're a Dem... nevermind, you don't do that history thing, and the MSM will make sure nobody will ever blame you for anything.

You...uhhhm...missed the point.  The uhhhm....POINT...is...to look...ummm...look...errrrm...cool.  I wear...all-black...uhhmm...suits...to basketball...games...contests...what...uhhhm...what have you.  I...uhm...give...uhmm...Chavez...the soul-brotha...uhmmm...handshake.  Errruhhhm.  I'm cool.  Cool beats books....uhm...book-learning.

Posted by: President Barack Obama at June 15, 2009 05:31 PM (5BgCg)

104 I don't know what this opposition is for.  It's like Sadr vs. Saddam Hussein as best I can tell.

Yeah, I know what you mean.

Still, this opposition movement is really a coalition of different dissatisfied Iranians, many of whom do want genuine positive change in their country.

This is scary.  But then, the status quo is unacceptable.  So, fingers crossed...

Posted by: sandy burger at June 15, 2009 05:31 PM (twiRb)

105 I declare myself the Valu-Rite Czar

Posted by: wHodat at June 15, 2009 05:31 PM (+sBB4)

106 Between the billions in welfare that we send Israel and the affirmative action that they require to compete with the white man, are we sure that Jews are really as smart as advertised?

Well, they invented circumcision, and, as a cocksucker, you should appreciate that one, at least.

Posted by: nickless at June 15, 2009 05:32 PM (MMC8r)

107
I too stand with my Jewish brothers and sisters.

Sarah Silverman isn't fit to represent anyone but the free-range skank population. She has the brains of a skinny Joy Behar.

Posted by: sifty at June 15, 2009 05:33 PM (SMDcj)

108

A huge crowd, hundreds of thousands of people maybe even millions of people there in defiance of open threats from the government that they should not assemble.

 

Sounds like the tea parties here in the US. Like the Persians yearning for freedom from a tyrannical govt Americans also are yearning for freedom from their tyrannical govt.

Posted by: The Great Satan at June 15, 2009 05:34 PM (knIKF)

109 My take:  Mousavi is the same basic asshole as the Madhatter, but that doesn't really matter.  If this is taken to a logical conclusion, mullahs swing from lamp posts.  Ergo, totally different gubmint setup than they have now, and no clerics will be involved, thus no Mousavi.  Remember that the intent of our constitutional convention was to tweak the Articles of Confederation.  Instead, they shit-canned it.  Same basic deal here.

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at June 15, 2009 05:34 PM (bmsQ/)

110 Dear Mullahs,

I like your tea parties. How can I sign up for your newsletter?

Posted by: wHodat at June 15, 2009 05:35 PM (+sBB4)

111 But I wonder just how many 'muslims' there would be in a 'muslim' country like Iran if converting to anything else wasn't a death penalty offense?

I bet that in fifty years, Islam in much of the Middle East will be like Christianity in Western Europe; a fading "faith tradition".

Posted by: sandy burger at June 15, 2009 05:35 PM (twiRb)

112 Has Johnson declared these uprisings to be controlled by Ron Paul and Nazis yet?



Posted by: sifty at June 15, 2009 05:35 PM (SMDcj)

113

Found this in the comments at Fausta's blog:

If Ahmadinejad actually got 25 million legitimate votes then roughly 1/2 of them must have been cast by females . . yet NO WOMEN . . . NOT ONE . . . appears in the support rally videos for for the winner . . . yet many photos of protest voter rallies show many women . . faces and all . . . does anyone in the media recognize that? . . .or are we all blind to the truth? . . . The truth the Imams would have us believe is that of ALL Iranian women who voted for him NOT ONE would not like to show their backing in this strong democratic outpouring of support for Ahmadinejad.
Highly improbable . . is an understatement of fact. . . In fact its VERY TELLING!    (d cooke canada)

Posted by: momma at June 15, 2009 05:36 PM (penCf)

114 "Well, they invented circumcision, and, as a cocksucker, you should appreciate that one, at least."

Well I sure do, reference my previous posts here lusting after, and I quote, "papist cock". Actually a surprising number of people here are cock-centric for a warbloggin' site, I sure do feel at home among so many fellow homosexualists.

Hey, aren't we against genital mutilation, isn't that one of the reasons why we hate "Muzzies", because they cut clits? Jews take it an extra step and have a rabbi suck the bloody penis of the freshly mutilated infant. So we agree that we should invade and occupy Israel too? OK.

Posted by: AndyCanuck at June 15, 2009 05:36 PM (qSWxU)

115 Sarah Silverman isn't fit to represent anyone but the free-range skank population. She has the brains of a skinny Joy Behar.

Yeah, but still I'd hit it like a Viking.  (Silverman, not Behar.  Behar?  Not with your dick)

Posted by: Ombudsman at June 15, 2009 05:36 PM (fWF4Q)

116 How is this little two-legged rodent nazi cocksucker, nigel tufts, still posting here?

Posted by: The Great Satan at June 15, 2009 05:37 PM (knIKF)

117

Posted by: momma at June 15, 2009 05:36 PM (penCf)

Just what I'd expect from a reich winger.  Banned.

Posted by: Chuck the Fuck Johanneson at June 15, 2009 05:37 PM (bmsQ/)

118 Hey Nigel, since the Germanic tribes originally came from the ASIAN Steppes, I guess Germans aren't white.

Posted by: RowBoat at June 15, 2009 05:37 PM (SEuzl)

119 Yeah, but still I'd hit it like a Viking.  (Silverman, not Behar.  Behar?  Not with your dick)

Posted by: Ombudsman at June 15, 2009 05:36 PM (fWF4Q)

Like an asteroid.

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at June 15, 2009 05:38 PM (bmsQ/)

120 I'm really into getting fisted if any of you wants to make a white power fist and "liberate" my butt from the browns.

Posted by: AndyCanuck (Nigel "I like young boys" Tufts at June 15, 2009 05:40 PM (qSWxU)

121

Yeah, but still I'd hit it like a Viking.  (Silverman, not Behar.  Behar?  Not with your dick)

You just know she would be an asshole in the sack though, so no thanks.

Posted by: Eleven at June 15, 2009 05:41 PM (OGbpf)

122 it is like saying Mousalini was more moderate than Hitler not enough differance to matter.

Posted by: Oldcrow at June 15, 2009 04:26 PM (Q/BOf)

Ahem.

Posted by: Italian Jews at June 15, 2009 05:41 PM (wgLRl)

123 Agreed. I'd bang some Silverman like a screen door in a hurricane.




Posted by: sifty at June 15, 2009 05:42 PM (SMDcj)

124 A look at post 114 might be in order - it seems our resident Goebbels-wanna-be is attempting to sock-puppet Andycanuck.

Posted by: A. Pendragon at June 15, 2009 05:42 PM (qOgyw)

125

119 Yeah, but still I'd hit it like a Viking.  (Silverman, not Behar.  Behar?  Not with your dick)

Posted by: Ombudsman at June 15, 2009 05:36 PM (fWF4Q)

Like an asteroid.

You want to bounce of a 14 year old's hand?

Posted by: somejoe at June 15, 2009 05:42 PM (yP5sH)

126 And if there was any doubt, post 120 sure looks like confirmation.

Posted by: A. Pendragon at June 15, 2009 05:43 PM (qOgyw)

127

See the DHS report was right!  Violent extremists are a dangerous threat! They're trying to overthrow the government! NANANANA!  Told you so!

Ron Paul/Vlaams Belang/Pat Buchanan/BNP/Von Brunn/Geert Wilders/everyone is anti-semtic except me/Listen to jazz-fusion

Posted by: Charles Johnson at June 15, 2009 05:43 PM (5BgCg)

128 I'm really into getting fisted if any of you wants to make a white power fist and "liberate" my butt from the browns.

Posted by: Nigel Tufts (pederast) at June 15, 2009 05:45 PM (qSWxU)

129 Is this protest in Iran going to give cover enough for some Israeli agents to reach out and touch some of these guys like Dinnerjacket?

Posted by: sifty at June 15, 2009 05:45 PM (SMDcj)

130
125

make that off of a 14....

this place needs a sub-moron indicator.

Posted by: somejoe at June 15, 2009 05:46 PM (yP5sH)

131

Because Americans aren't Nancy boys and calling for censorship/banning is as faggotty and un-American as it gets, is my guess.

Only a faggot wouldn't mind reading the ravings of a nazi ssitstain.

Posted by: The Great Satan at June 15, 2009 05:46 PM (knIKF)

132 You want to bounce of a 14 year old's hand?

Posted by: somejoe at June 15, 2009 05:42 PM (yP5sH)

I did, 25 years ago.  Little has changed, except the age spots.

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at June 15, 2009 05:47 PM (bmsQ/)

133 Nigel Tufts, like his cognate Nigel Tufnel, has the smallest dick in the band. He also has the smallest IQ, as is evidenced by this ahistorical howler:

"They've never forgiven us for knocking over their temple two thousand years ago and have had a grudge ever since."

"We." What a joke.

Sorry, Nigel, a penchant for gladiator movies does not make you a Roman. What it does make you is a deeply closeted homo.

Posted by: Milesdei at June 15, 2009 05:47 PM (FS9ko)

134 Damn. Confused Nigel Tufnel with Derek Smalls. Worst troll-bash ever.

Posted by: Milesdei at June 15, 2009 05:49 PM (FS9ko)

135

If you support affirmative action, and I know you faggotty faux-con fraggers do, well, you're a Nazi.

OK, Nigel Tufts obviously can't read, since every regular non-troll here has loathed the hypocrisy of Affirmative Racism forever.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at June 15, 2009 05:50 PM (ujg0T)

136 "Sarah Silverman isn't fit to represent anyone but the free-range skank population. She has the brains of a skinny Joy Behar."

Posted by: sifty

* * * * * * * * * * * * *

Man, that's harsh!  Completely true, but harsh.

Posted by: wuzzagrunt at June 15, 2009 05:50 PM (FZTOQ)

137

Nigel dear, you are doing it wrong.

Posted by: Confused Illinois Nazi at June 15, 2009 05:52 PM (wgLRl)

138 You mean all that red pleather gladiator armor in his closet doesn't make you Minimus Gallus?

Wow. What a waste of your crazy-checks Nigelimacanuck.

Posted by: sifty at June 15, 2009 05:52 PM (SMDcj)

139 Who's Joy Behar?

Posted by: rdbrewer at June 15, 2009 05:53 PM (l3weA)

140 The silence from hussein obama and SecState is deafening.  That's the dynamic duo of voting "present" and "smart power."  Truly, this shouldn't surprise anyone, especially since Barry was so looking forward to working hand in hand with AbimaWhackJob to rid us of nuclear weapons while cheering him on as Iran acquires theirs.

Posted by: runningrn at June 15, 2009 05:53 PM (3Qkku)

141 I'm in the harsh business. -some dude

Posted by: sifty at June 15, 2009 05:54 PM (SMDcj)

142 Pullin Stool mentioned that you good folks were having problems with a Nazi.  Anything I can do? 

Posted by: Captain America at June 15, 2009 05:55 PM (wgLRl)

143 Sorry, Nigel, a penchant for gladiator movies does not make you a Roman. What it does make you is a deeply closeted homo.

He's right, you know.

Posted by: Biggus Dickus at June 15, 2009 05:55 PM (MMC8r)

144 Pullin Stool mentioned that you good folks were having problems with a Nazi.  Anything I can do?

The Red Numbskull is back, Cap.

Posted by: Biggus Dickus at June 15, 2009 05:55 PM (MMC8r)

145 Cap, you shouldn't worry about this little troll. You have business to take care of in Iran.

Posted by: sifty at June 15, 2009 05:56 PM (SMDcj)

146

Did I mention that everyone but me is an anti-semite?  I don't know if I 've been as clear as I could be on that issue.  Also, creationism is the greatest domestic threat in the United States ever.  In addition, nobody writes code better than me because I'm awesome and you're not.

Now go and jam out to some uber-obscure Bela Fleck live footage while I file another slam-post on Rush Limbaugh.

Posted by: Charles Johnson at June 15, 2009 05:56 PM (5BgCg)

147 I'm Brian! and so's my wife!

Posted by: Brian at June 15, 2009 05:57 PM (SMDcj)

148 I wonder if the Revolutionaries in Iran will hang annoying banners off of freeway overpasses like they do here in LA?


Posted by: sifty at June 15, 2009 05:59 PM (SMDcj)

149 Hey Nigel! Check this out! From Wikipedia under "Y-Chromosonal Adam":

"By analyzing the Y-chromosome DNA from males in all regions of the world, geneticist Spencer Wells has concluded that all humans alive today are patrilinealy descended from a single man who lived in Africa around 60,000 years ago.[1]"

We're all n****ers now. Hey, it's SCIENCE!

And you know what, you Nazi quiff? Suck my haplogroup. Suck it hard.

Posted by: Milesdei at June 15, 2009 06:03 PM (FS9ko)

150 I wonder if the Revolutionaries in Iran will hang annoying banners off of freeway overpasses like they do here in LA?

Instead of a 'Ron Paul' banner, they'd be more likely to hang Ron Paul.

So it's all good.

Posted by: nickless at June 15, 2009 06:04 PM (MMC8r)

151

O/T but:  Vice President Biden might still want the word "vice" taken out of his title. The two-time presidential candidate, whose most recent bid ended last year, said Sunday that he would not rule out the possibility of a third presidential run.  He said President Obama is "off to a great start" and will be a "great president," and defended the current lineup as best for the country. "We got the order correct -- he's the president, I'm the vice president," he said on NBC's "Meet the Press."  

But asked if he would consider another run for president some time in the future, he said: "I won't rule that out."  Biden is 66 years old and would be 73 on Election Day in 2016

Posted by: runningrn at June 15, 2009 06:06 PM (3Qkku)

152 I heard in fact that you, Nigel, have sucked so many haplogroups you can identify genotypes by taste alone.

Posted by: Milesdei at June 15, 2009 06:07 PM (FS9ko)

153 I heard in fact that you, Nigel, have sucked so many haplogroups you can identify genotypes by taste alone.

Posted by: Milesdei at June 15, 2009 06:07 PM (FS9ko)

I know it's not as impressive, but I can tell you what you had for lunch yesterday.

Posted by: Andi at June 15, 2009 06:14 PM (bmsQ/)

154 See, that is what a real troll looks like.  Me, I'm more of an absentminded gnome.

Posted by: palin steele at June 15, 2009 06:20 PM (wgLRl)

155 @151 : O/T but: Vice President Biden might still want the word "vice" taken out of his title.

So, kinda like that Beverly Hillbillies episode where they took over the bank and changed the sign on Granny's door to say "nice president"?

Posted by: Anachronda at June 15, 2009 06:26 PM (1OYcp)

156 Could somebody dump the I'm so gay boys?  They are getting tedious.

Posted by: Dan at June 15, 2009 06:27 PM (qfb86)

157 bambi is taking notes for the 2012 election. A bunch of that ACORN money is going to start his own police force, like the SS.

Posted by: Boluifer at June 15, 2009 06:30 PM (GkYyh)

158

So far so good on my little reservation: this situation in Iran hasn't bled into Iraq yet.  I would kinda like to see Mossad or somebody go in there and help things along a little bit.  I'm hoping this thing does get a bit out of control for the mullahs -- there were a lot of Iranians that were not happy with the theocratic takeover of their country (they may have not been particularly happy with the Shah either, but they actually preferred a more secular, progressive state).  It could change things; one can hope (and I wish those two words hadn't gotten so sullied, I really like them, but they have been tarnished).

As for haplotypes, etc.: we are well into the beginning of the 21st century; when are people finally going to realize there is no "pure race" of anything when it comes to humans, just like the whole ethnicities thing is pretty much bunk too.

Which is the reason why I'm virulently opposed to affirmative action...and neo-nazi aryan supremacy.  Logically, neither should exist.

 

Posted by: unknown jane at June 15, 2009 06:56 PM (EpmMs)

159 Anyone hear from that socialist country called France? The ones who gave aid and comfort to the Ayayllah, when he was banned from Iran. They are the one  country who should be asking for democratic justice in Iran. After all, they set him up along with the Mullahs. Isn't BHO tight with the socialist French? Oh excuse me, its the Italians today.

Posted by: mystry at June 15, 2009 07:07 PM (kmgIE)

160 wuzza @ 46 "but throwing a little firepower into an already chaotic situation might present an opportunity for getting someone reasonable into the big chair in Iran."

Maybe not such a good idea.
1/  Two years from now, Iran will be an unholy fucked-up mess of one kind or another, and likely with a high-as-shit body count, too.  Resentments will be simmering about even more bad shit than they are right now.  So...
  Doing it your way would make it into the kind of mess that has our U.S. fingerprints all over it. 
2/ Two years from now, somebody or other will be sitting in the big chair in Iran.  Hoping for it to be someone reasonable, in all seriousness, is setting the bar way too high. 
3/ Since there's not very much value to gain, in terms of big-chair-guy quality, it follows that it's not worth very much additional cost, in terms of manpower and equipment, to bring that about. 


Posted by: Stoop Davy Dave at June 15, 2009 07:15 PM (djLdW)

161 Brenden @ 20 "I hope that Iran can overthrow their government for a peaceful, moderate state. But I'm also scared that when it happens I'll have to listen to Obama and his fucknuts tell us that's what his Foreign Policy got us, a Moderate Iran."

Under certain unlikely conditions, I'd take that trade-off.
If such a thing as a Moderate Iran existed or had ever existed or were ever likely to exist, then yeah I'd put up with Obie & his choir blithering about that.  Know why?  Because if it wasn't that, they'd be blithering on about something equally idiotic instead, plus I'd pretty much not be listening by then anyway. 

Posted by: Stoop Davy Dave at June 15, 2009 07:25 PM (djLdW)

162 Question one: What would Jimmy Carter do?
Question two: How did that work out when he did it?

Somebody needs to ask Obambi those two questions. 

Posted by: Stoop Davy Dave at June 15, 2009 07:29 PM (djLdW)

163 Milesdei @ 149 ";">all humans alive today are patrilinealy descended from a single man who lived in Africa around 60,000 years ago."

Heh heh heh ...
All humans alive today are 97% genetically identical to Bonobo Chimpanzees, too. 
But see, in Adriana Nigel BAM BAM's little world, it's that last 0.00000000001 of a percent of genetic deviation that makes all the difference, you see, in human "racial" history. 
It takes a special kind of vision, to be able to see things Nigel's way, yes it does.

Posted by: Stoop Davy Discord at June 15, 2009 07:49 PM (djLdW)

164 Oh fuck, did I kill the thread or was it dead when I got here?

Posted by: Stoop Davy d'Oh! at June 15, 2009 07:52 PM (djLdW)

165 why, you'd think ppl everywhere expect their government to respond to them... silly commoners.

Posted by: Shoey at June 15, 2009 08:34 PM (RxUMK)

166

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