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CIA Director Panetta: That Cheney Guy Seems To Be Jonesing For Americans To Die Or Something. McCain Defends...Cheney

Disgusting. Though it does change the subject from Nancy "The CIA Misled Me" Pelosi.

"I think he smells some blood in the water on the national security issue," Mr. Panetta said in an interview published in the New Yorker magazine's June 22 issue.

"It's almost, a little bit, gallows politics," said Mr. Panetta, a former Democratic House member from California. "When you read behind it, it's almost as if he's wishing that this country would be attacked again, in order to make his point."

Mr. Cheney has said in several interviews that he thinks Mr. Obama is making the United States less safe, remarks Mr. Panetta called "dangerous politics."

Remember when questioning someone's patriotism was bad and dissent was what all the cool kids were doing? Now it's fine to claim someone wants to see Americans killed in an attack simply because they had the temerity to criticism Obama.

Cheney for his part doesn't take the bait.

For all the vitriol hurled at Bush and his administration, I don't remember them stooping to this kind of personal attack. Once again, liberals demonstrates how badly they suffer from a mass case of projection.

If a Bush official had said this about a Democrat, he'd be the subject of spittle inducing Special Comment, instead there's no doubt Panetta will be the subject of a loving profile tonight.

Intellectual honesty or consistency has never been a strong suit of your average liberal.

MORE: Hell freezes over...McCain defends Cheney takes a swipe at Panetta (a Democrat).

"I disagreed with the Cheney policy on interrogation techniques, but never did it cross my mind that Dick Cheney would ever want an attack on the United States of America," the former Republican presidential candidate said during an appearance on Fox News. "It's unfair, and I think that Mr. Panetta should retract, and retract immediately."

Well, now I've seen it all.

Posted by: DrewM. at 11:26 AM



Comments

1 The first fruits of Obama politicizing the office of the CIA. Unfuckingreal.

Posted by: scottythrust at June 15, 2009 11:28 AM (VTeUD)

2 "I think he smells some blood in the water on the national security issue,"

Who's pussilanimous policies and statements caused that blood in the water, sandwich boy?

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at June 15, 2009 11:29 AM (oT+Ek)

3 When the left has lost McCain, they've lost America.

Posted by: brian at June 15, 2009 11:32 AM (S2j/V)

4 Panetta, you lying sack of fecal matter. We all know your a liar, Nancy told us so.

Posted by: maddogg at June 15, 2009 11:34 AM (OlN4e)

5 He is speaking about healthcare now, getting all that free air time.   He just quoted newt and said "I don't quote newt enough" and got a big laugh.  Shouldn't be that way, what happened to the collegial way they used to work with and treat one another?

Posted by: muffy at June 15, 2009 11:34 AM (zplc6)

6 Panetta has just the kind of insight we've come to expect from years of government training.

And the Democrats whined, wheedled, and sputtered for years into any open microphone that the war in Iraq was doomed, that casualties proved that we shouldn't be there.

Posted by: Loren Heal at June 15, 2009 11:34 AM (uiKEv)

7 Democrats- The party of blame.

Posted by: Poker player at June 15, 2009 11:34 AM (eu7/X)

8

1. Panetta didn't say this without direct orders/blessings from the WH.

2. The WH is always at least a week early in their offense.

3. 1 + 2 = some scary as hell intel I'm guessing. 

Posted by: momma at June 15, 2009 11:35 AM (penCf)

9 McCain isn't being nice.  He's just afraid of those assassination squads that Liz is running.

Posted by: Stealth Gay Academic Conservative at June 15, 2009 11:36 AM (da2iz)

10 If I wanted America to be attacked again, I'd be supporting Obama's policies.

Posted by: Dick Cheney at June 15, 2009 11:36 AM (MMC8r)

11

Obama's Water Torture Policy

http://tinyurl.com/mfjejp

Posted by: Mrs. Charles Johnson at June 15, 2009 11:37 AM (h3+Qh)

12 O/T:  Dealbreaker noticed and under the caption "Oh He Went There" is this one line:  "Obama: "America might go the way of GM if we don't fix the healthcare system."

Posted by: muffy at June 15, 2009 11:38 AM (zplc6)

13 Panetta: Short on intellect, long on sleaze.

Posted by: kathysaysso at June 15, 2009 11:39 AM (ZtwUX)

14

OT

Here a link to  the study Rush was just talking about.

http://tinyurl.com/lmubwu

Thus far in 2009, 40% of Americans interviewed in national Gallup Poll surveys describe their political views as conservative, 35% as moderate, and 21% as liberal.

Posted by: momma at June 15, 2009 11:39 AM (penCf)

15
#14
 yeah but 60-70% of the MSM describe themselves as moderate....

Posted by: somejoe at June 15, 2009 11:42 AM (yP5sH)

16 This is Leon's way of trying to get back into Rahm's good graces after he found a horse's head in his bed for sticking up for his minions versus Pelosi Galore.  Silly Leon, thinking that he should care about defending the integrity of an intelligence agency over the delusional rantings of a ditzy Baltimore mafia whore.  He now knows the error of his ways.

Posted by: Captain Hate at June 15, 2009 11:42 AM (Vlq0g)

17      They must be trying to neutralize Cheney, just like they try to do with Palin, because they consider them threats.  Being the smartest administration evah, they know attacking Cheney works is a twofer.  Not only can they use him as a distraction now, they can use him as a fall guy later.  When the next terrorist attack happens they can point at him and say, "We told you so.  It's because of hateful, hating haters like him that they don't like us!"

Posted by: publicserf at June 15, 2009 11:42 AM (DT7ln)

18 "Remember when questioning someone's patriotism was bad and dissent was what all the cool kids were doing?" - DrewM

I remember conservatives bashing libs for criticizing bush's foreign policy and saying dissent during time of war was unpatriotic and treasonous and that liberals criticizing bush's policy was directly responsible for soldiers' deaths. I guess now that its no longer conservatives running the government, its A-OK to criticize the president....no soldiers will die from conservatives bashing a dem's foreign policy. That's double standard for ya!

Posted by: palin steele at June 15, 2009 11:44 AM (VDj74)

19 McCain defends Cheney takes a swipe at Panetta (a fellow Democrat).

FIFY.

Actually, good on McCain for finally saying something wise. Nevertheless, I couldn't resist a little snark.

Posted by: The Union of Non-Slutty Flight Attendants at June 15, 2009 11:45 AM (QkV4M)

20

Yeah, I saw some trolls on Max Boot's thread yesterday reciting Panetta's talking point as if it was Cheney's. Good for McCain for calling them out on this.

Any Connecticut morons? this is a good time to ask Lieberman to spank this brat in a press conference or at least as an aside to reporters. (But Lieberman may well be mensch enough to do it on his own.)

Posted by: Zimriel at June 15, 2009 11:45 AM (GwV+j)

21 Quit making with the negative waves Moriarty Cheney.

Posted by: somejoe at June 15, 2009 11:45 AM (yP5sH)

22 Dick Cheney craps bigger than Leon Panetta.

Posted by: Hammer at June 15, 2009 11:46 AM (GkYyh)

23 The only thing that surprises me about this is that Panetta didn't mention Cheney's draft deferments in the 1960s.  Libs love to say that Cheney never served his country.

Posted by: huerfano at June 15, 2009 11:47 AM (knHvu)

24 " They must be trying to neutralize Cheney, just like they try to do with Palin, because they consider them threats."

Like I've said before and will say again: Palin/Cheney 2012.  Because the VP isn't term-limited and it would make the left's heads collectively explode.

Posted by: Dave J. at June 15, 2009 11:47 AM (naTdL)

25 I have the article in font of me taken from USA TODAY, page 4a. Biden said quote" I think Dick Cheney's judgement about how to secure America is faulty, I think our judgement is correct"

Posted by: mystry at June 15, 2009 11:48 AM (kmgIE)

26

#18 - palin_steele

Would you kindly reference the statements made by either George Tenet or Porter Goss in reference to your post?  I would like to see when either of them stated that dissent against President Bush was treasonous and/or unpatriotic.  Thank you.

Posted by: Shane at June 15, 2009 11:48 AM (3k06Q)

27 Clearly an attempt to get hussein's joint back in his mouth after the Pelosi disaster (which has disappeared for some reason).  It also sounds like they're pointing fingers early on some intel that they got - "see Cheney WANTED these Americans to die!"   The AirFrance flight must have them worried, there's probably a man-made disaster in the works and they know they're responsible.

Posted by: Dang Straights at June 15, 2009 11:48 AM (Haq+B)

28 "If a Bush official had said this about a Democrat, he'd be the subject of spittle inducing Special Comment, instead there's no doubt Panetta will be the subject of a loving profile tonight." - DrewM.

And if a obama official (panetta) said this about a conservative (cheney), he'd be the subject of spittle from conservative blogs all over.

Posted by: palin steele at June 15, 2009 11:48 AM (VDj74)

29 momma #8 - it's standard Near East practice: if Ahmadivaradaneghghl wins in Iran, expect "adventurism" abroad to rally his base of thugs back home. I don't know about specific intel. I do know how Near Eastern thugs think. The Near East may be a diverse bunch but their tyrants all come from the same factory, "Made In Berlin 1939"

Posted by: Zimriel at June 15, 2009 11:49 AM (GwV+j)

30 The Democratic media has already made a successful trial run with the Museum shooting.

This is their game plan in case of a terrorist attack.

Meanwhile, our GOP leaders sit idly by.

Posted by: DinnerJacket at June 15, 2009 11:50 AM (+sBB4)

31

Posted by: palin steele at June 15, 2009 11:44 AM (VDj74)

 

Anyone remember when Captain Fellatio ever wrote an intelligent comment? No. Me either.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at June 15, 2009 11:50 AM (1Jaio)

32 OT

Man obama is still gassing on....

Posted by: somejoe at June 15, 2009 11:50 AM (yP5sH)

33 I'm guessing palin steele's comics are late at the corner stand today.

Posted by: Zimriel at June 15, 2009 11:50 AM (GwV+j)

34 #26

Shane, I said conservatives always said that liberals criticizing bush policy were unpatriotic and would be responsible for soldier's death.

Could you show me Panetta saying dissent against Obama is treasonous?

Posted by: palin steele at June 15, 2009 11:50 AM (VDj74)

35

I remember conservatives bashing libs for criticizing bush's foreign policy....

It's the policy Ms. steel, not the flavor.

Posted by: Javems at June 15, 2009 11:51 AM (hq71Y)

36 24-tee hee

I'm just thrilled how this administration thinks it can distract people from the damge it's doing to our nation by villifying Cheney, Palin, Rush, Bush, etc.  The more the Obamatons speak, the higher our poll numbers go. 

Posted by: Methos at June 15, 2009 11:51 AM (wU8X9)

37 Daddy!  Sob!  How could you?!?

Posted by: Megan McCain at June 15, 2009 11:52 AM (SDkq3)

38 is anyone watching this tripe?
Obama is at his lying, demagogic best at the AMA

the centerpiece:

if you like your insurance now:

"the only thing reform will do is decrease your costs - anyone saying otherwise is
trying to mislead you or dont have their facts straight"

if you dont like insurance now:

our govt plan is perfect baby!

(what a fucking jackass)

he repeated like 10 times that "you can keep your present coverage" but never addressed the undercuttin of those present plans by the govt option.

what a jackass.


Posted by: the 17 Uighers at June 15, 2009 11:52 AM (5r0Tz)

39 "As he’s fond of saying, this isn’t the presidency he asked for. He had wanted a presidency focused on spreading the wealth around rather than desperately attempting to keep our wealth from vanishing into the national money hole.

That said, Obama can still give a helluva speech. That healthcare reform thing today really was a marvelous piece of rhetoric."

Posted by: muffy at June 15, 2009 11:52 AM (zplc6)

40

Sullivan proves once again he is an ignorant asshole.

Ahmadinejad's bag of tricks is eerily like that of Karl Rove - the constant use of fear, the exploitation of religion, the demonization of liberals, the deployment of Potemkin symbolism like Sarah Palin ...

.......But their demagoguery, abuse of the state, dedication to conflict abroad, co-optation of the armed forces, and manipulation of rural and religious voters all have parallels in Red State Iran.)   We keep expecting to see some kind of shame or some attempt at rational dialogue. They have nothing but contempt for that kind of talk. If they're going to lie, it's gonna be a Big Lie

 

It is quite obvious that he mixed up the Admins.

Posted by: momma at June 15, 2009 11:53 AM (penCf)

41 I love the conservative double standard.

Criticizing bush during time of war is unpatriotic and dangerous.

But its fine and dandy to criticize obama during time of war.

Make up your mind, conservatives. If you think criticizing a president's foreign policy is unpatriotic, then be consistent and don't just hold your tongue when your side is in power. If you think its ok to criticize a president, then dont call the other side unpatriotic when they do so.

Posted by: palin steele at June 15, 2009 11:53 AM (VDj74)

42 I remember when the Democrats favorite line was "Dissent is patriotic," and now that they're in power, it's suddenly not patriotic whatsoever.

Posted by: Ack at June 15, 2009 11:53 AM (ZNhcg)

43

And if a obama official (panetta) said this about a conservative (cheney), he'd be the subject of spittle from conservative blogs all over.

 

Such insight!  Water wet and sky blue...

Posted by: Capt. Obvious at June 15, 2009 11:53 AM (W0B71)

44 PS is being a bit of a crybaby today, isn't he? 

He has that particular moral equivalence argument again, which seeks to call two arguments equal, but, since he does not try to understand the particular differences of the two arguments he attempts to equate, they never quite come out equal.

Must be hard to demand things be so simple.

Posted by: nickless at June 15, 2009 11:54 AM (MMC8r)

Posted by: Dave J. at June 15, 2009 11:54 AM (naTdL)

46 Sheesh I feel like I'm in an alternate universe.  A lot of the financial blogs I read, where people were squarely liberal and anti GWB and company are suddenly complaining.  Oh there are the usual "aren't you glad you didn't elect Sarah snowpants" types but it seems there are more yelling at that poster now than before.

Posted by: muffy at June 15, 2009 11:54 AM (zplc6)

47 I can't imagine why the White House would want this subject brought up again.  Cheney cleaned Obumbles clock the last time and now they try to march out a new person to defend The One?  Looks like a second ass kicking is in order courtesy of the Cheney tag team.

Posted by: Jim King at June 15, 2009 11:54 AM (mgmnH)

48 Trojan horse for Single Payer:

"I'll be honest... single payer works well in other countries...
i believe....its important for our reform to build on US traditions.

Naysayers are "not telling the truth"

what a douchebag - no rebuttal of the govt low cost undercutting privates arg, just attacks on critics as liars.

Posted by: the 17 Uighers at June 15, 2009 11:55 AM (5r0Tz)

49

Criticizing bush during time of war is unpatriotic and dangerous.

Who said so? 

Posted by: Fungo at June 15, 2009 11:55 AM (W0B71)

50 "I'll be honest

Lie #1

Posted by: Captain Hate at June 15, 2009 11:56 AM (Vlq0g)

51 "I remember when the Democrats favorite line was "Dissent is patriotic," and now that they're in power, it's suddenly not patriotic whatsoever."

and when they said that, what did the conservatives say? they said no, dissent is unpatriotic. funny how things change now that bush isn't in power. bashing the president is suddenly no longer unpatriotic...

Posted by: palin steele at June 15, 2009 11:57 AM (VDj74)

52 pee stool, I see logic eludes you.  We can't fix stupid.

Posted by: wHodat at June 15, 2009 11:57 AM (+sBB4)

53 "Who said so?"

Most conservative pundits (hannity, rush,etc). Criticizing bush was unpatriotic and bush derangement syndrome and other terms.

Guess that doesn't apply to critizing obama....cuz he's a dirty lib. 

Posted by: palin steele at June 15, 2009 11:59 AM (VDj74)

54

and when they said that, what did the conservatives say? they said no, dissent is unpatriotic. funny how things change now that bush isn't in power. bashing the president is suddenly no longer unpatriotic...

 

Need names...

Posted by: Fungo at June 15, 2009 11:59 AM (W0B71)

55 Posted by: palin steele at June 15, 2009 11:57 AM (VDj74)

You can't find your happy place, can you junior?

Posted by: Captain Hate at June 15, 2009 11:59 AM (Vlq0g)

56

#34 - palin steele

Uhh...Panetta basically just stated Dick Cheney is hoping for another terrorist attack.  If such a thing was true, I don't think it would be too big of a stretch of the imagination to say Cheney is just a bit unpatriotic.

I know what you said.  I know there are quite a few blogs/commenters who made stupid statements on both sides of the political aisle.  Personally, I never thought liberal protesters were unpatriotic; I just though they were dumb.

My concern isn't about other bloggers; my concern is about the actual administration that is in charge, since they are the ones who make the rules.  Panetta, an Obama administration official, just called Dick Cheney unpatriotic (to say the least).  THAT is a cause for concern, since it comes directly from the administration.  IF you can find a quote of equal value (either from George Tenet or Porter Goss) showing that either of them "called out" some other elected liberal/Democrat official as "unpatriotic," then that should also be denounced.  The fact that you have no problem with what Panetta says just proves your a lib/Dem hack. 

My lunch break is now over, and I have to go back to being productive so that my taxes can fund your unemployment check, p_s.  Have a nice day.

Posted by: Shane at June 15, 2009 11:59 AM (3k06Q)

57 Most conservative pundits (hannity, rush,etc). Criticizing bush was unpatriotic and bush derangement syndrome and other terms.

Link, please.

Posted by: Fungo at June 15, 2009 11:59 AM (W0B71)

58 Does he think he is going to build a new economy on health care?  so will that be the next bubble?

Posted by: muffy at June 15, 2009 12:01 PM (zplc6)

59

McCain ... wha-? ....? Huh?

It's the apocalypse! That's the only explanation! Head for the hills! HEAD FOR THE HILLS, PEOPLE!

Posted by: Ella at June 15, 2009 12:01 PM (gQ4Zh)

60 Criticizing Obama's unpatriotic foreign policy is unpatriotic.

Posted by: Stalin Peele at June 15, 2009 12:02 PM (YmPwQ)

61 "Link, please."

why...its gonna be from biased liberal media anyways, so its all false. You're prob right, conservatives never said it was unpatriotic of libs to criticize bush's foreign policy.

Posted by: palin steele at June 15, 2009 12:02 PM (VDj74)

62 Where has Panetta, a former White House chief of staff for Bill Clinton been hiding all these years? What rock did he craw back from under. And what qualifies him for CIA Director?

Posted by: mystry at June 15, 2009 12:03 PM (kmgIE)

63 hey, all i said was that obama was making this country less safe.

its not like I want to have a terrorist attack to prove my point and show that I know what I'm talking about....in fact, I enjoy being wrong.

love,
dick

Posted by: dick cheney at June 15, 2009 12:04 PM (VDj74)

64 Unpatriotic is as unpatriotic does.

Posted by: Stalin "Gump" Peele at June 15, 2009 12:04 PM (YmPwQ)

65 McCain defends Cheney takes a swipe at Panetta (a Democrat).

Dude.  I'm pretty sure that's kill the pitcher in the McCain drinking game.

Posted by: alexthechick at June 15, 2009 12:05 PM (A/GeO)

66 I think I'm getting sick.  Anything for this rash?

Posted by: pale stool at June 15, 2009 12:05 PM (+sBB4)

67

You're prob right, conservatives never said it was unpatriotic of libs to criticize bush's foreign policy.

 

Looks that way,  doesn't it?    

Posted by: Fungo at June 15, 2009 12:05 PM (W0B71)

68 ...what qualifies him for CIA Director?

He swallows.

Posted by: Dang Straights at June 15, 2009 12:05 PM (Haq+B)

69 In other words, I'm just using a tired, old, debunked lib talking point because I got nothin' else.

Posted by: Palin Steele at June 15, 2009 12:06 PM (YmPwQ)

70 Its not the apocalypse until Colin Powell comes out and defends Cheney.

Posted by: Hammer at June 15, 2009 12:06 PM (GkYyh)

71 mystry, you are so silly.  If Timmay! is qualified to be Treasury Secretary even though he's a tax cheat and doesn't even have the sense to rent out his house for enough money to pay the mortgage, then clearly Panetta is qualified to be CIA director.  It's not like he's releasing classified information on his blog or anything.  The man is practically a super-spy.

Posted by: Stealth Gay Academic Conservative at June 15, 2009 12:07 PM (da2iz)

72

Well, now I've seen it all.  DrewM

Really? Have you ever seen a man eat his own head?

No. DrewM

So then, you haven't seen everything.

 

Posted by: brass pair at June 15, 2009 12:07 PM (cxzu3)

73 I don't want an attack on US soil....really.

I want to be proven that Im an idiot who doesn't know what I was talking about when I said Obama was making this country less safe.

I enjoy being wrong. That panetta douche doesnt know me.

Posted by: dick cheney at June 15, 2009 12:07 PM (VDj74)

74 now he's lying his ass of about his reform being "deficit neutral", "higher living standards" and "falling budget deficits"

what a fucking joke.

"Cant let this moment pass us by"

and being an idiot talking about  a harpers mag from 1960 that called for health reform

all the rhetoric in the world wont change the fraudulent nature of govt run enterprises.

Posted by: the 17 Uighers at June 15, 2009 12:08 PM (5r0Tz)

75

why...its gonna be from biased liberal media anyways, so its all false I'm wrong. You're prob right, conservatives never said it was unpatriotic of libs to criticize bush's foreign policy.


Yours truly,
Palm of steel

Posted by: somejoe at June 15, 2009 12:08 PM (yP5sH)

76 #46
Indeed... check this headline from the sometimes left-of-center Dealbreaker:

Oh, He Went There
Posted by Bess Levin, Jun 15, 2009, 12:23pm

Obama: "America might go the way of GM if we don't fix the healthcare system."


If'n you want some real fright, the gnomes over at dailyreckoning.com have a dish for y'all. They seem to be very much of the gold-bug variety, but when even hard currency guys start making sense, people will have a lot more to worry about than Panetta effectively calling political opponents traitors.

Posted by: George Orwell at June 15, 2009 12:10 PM (AZGON)

77

One must remember that it is Ponnetta’s job to oversee dismantling of the CIA.

Posted by: Vic at June 15, 2009 12:10 PM (5ynkO)

78 My God, now it's trying to sockpuppet. Pass the popcorn

Posted by: Stalin Peele at June 15, 2009 12:10 PM (YmPwQ)

79 why...its gonna be from biased liberal media anyways, so its all false.

Post the quotes or get the fuck out.

Posted by: Chimney Sweep #8 at June 15, 2009 12:13 PM (kIjlp)

80

78 My God, now it's trying to sockpuppet. Pass the popcorn

 

Very disappointing.  A real lack of effort.  At least change the writing style/use caps. 


Posted by: Fungo at June 15, 2009 12:14 PM (W0B71)

81 If Panetta would only spend 5 minutes of his time each day, trying to prevent the next coming attack, instead of attacking Chaney, why he might actually be doing the USA some good. er, that is his job discription is it not, to defend the U.S. from foreign enemies? Is Chaney a foreign enemy person?

Posted by: mystry at June 15, 2009 12:14 PM (kmgIE)

82 Pullin Still:  In case you were wondering, you still suck.

Now get back down in your hole, fool.

Posted by: tsj017 at June 15, 2009 12:15 PM (TBwnU)

83 Post # 73, for your reading pleasure.

Posted by: Stalin Peele at June 15, 2009 12:15 PM (YmPwQ)

84 If its one thing I can't stand, its blatant hypocrisy.

When the libs criticized bush's iraq policy, a lot of conservatives said that liberals wanted iraq to be a complete mess. Guess what, they were right...of course alot of libs hoped for that, because that would validate their belief that bush was an incompetent.

Same case here. Only the roles are reveresed. Conservatives believe that obama's policies are bad. And they want him to screw up (just as libs wanted bush to screw up).

My point is you can't have it both ways.

Anyways, Im done. If you want to live in your imaginary coccoon where your side never bashed liberals for being unpatriotic in criticizing bush, then thats your call.

Posted by: dick cheney at June 15, 2009 12:16 PM (VDj74)

85

Panetta must be getting uptight about the intel he's seeing. The lefties are prepping the field for the next attack they don't have the stones to prevent. So...

 

Blame Cheney!

Posted by: booter at June 15, 2009 12:17 PM (eimUK)

86

PalinSteel WWCAD?

If you can't figure that acronym out it stands for What Would Captain America Do.

Posted by: Mr. Pink at June 15, 2009 12:18 PM (NM1Nu)

87

Anyways, Im done...

 

Good, you need to work on your posting as 2 different people.  Come back when you decide to put more effort into it. 

Posted by: Fungo at June 15, 2009 12:18 PM (W0B71)

88 #53 Guess that doesn't apply to critizing obama....cuz he's a dirty lib.   - Well, at least he got that part right.

Posted by: teej at June 15, 2009 12:19 PM (QdUKm)

89 Are those palin steel's test results after his name? (VDj74)

Is j74 a particularly nasty strain of VD?  Is that like bullhead clap?  It apparently makes you run on and on talking incoherently.

Posted by: wHodat at June 15, 2009 12:20 PM (+sBB4)

90

My point is you can't have it both ways.

 

Yes We Can!

Posted by: D. Axelrod at June 15, 2009 12:20 PM (W0B71)

91 That useless RINO fucker McCain is just trying to boost his electability by siding with Cheney.  Every move he makes, every word he utters has only one aim for him, getting his sorry ass reelected.  I hope the good people of Arizona give him the boot.

Posted by: CB at June 15, 2009 12:22 PM (9Wv2j)

92 Funny how quickly dissent became terrorism and treason after January of this year. It is almost as if they drilled a Hannible style hole in their heads and ate the part of their brain that contained the memories of their own actions the past 8 years.

Posted by: Mr. Pink at June 15, 2009 12:22 PM (NM1Nu)

93 Yes, liberals wanted Bush's policies -- including and especially his military efforts -- to fail so that America would be humiliated and chastened.

Conservatives want Obama's policies to fail to get enacted so that America will be strong and prosperous.

You're right.  It's exactly the same thing.

Except for being the opposite.

Posted by: Stealth Gay Academic Conservative at June 15, 2009 12:25 PM (da2iz)

94

In fairness to PS, When President Bush came out against the Dixie Chicks, and had them banned from country radio. That was wrong.

Posted by: Pelvis at June 15, 2009 12:26 PM (LlaBi)

95

what did the conservatives say? they said no, dissent is unpatriotic. funny how things change now that bush isn't in power.

PS is making a simple category error.  When Cheney says he disagrees with Administration policy and fears it will make the country less safe, this is on a par with committed liberal dissenters who argued that the Iraq war, for example, was not the best use of our resources and was a mistake that was likely to make our conflict against terrorists more difficult.  I think those liberals were wrong, but their arguments are well within normal bounds of civilized political disagreement.  As are Cheney's.

But Pannetta, the current CIA chief, saying that he thinks Cheney wants to see the country attacked is, or ought to be, beyond the pale of civilized dissent for the same reason that ghouls on the left "argued" that Bush was avenging daddy, or was engaged in a war for oil, or some other idiot statement. 

What's worse is that Pannetta is some loon representative, or whack-job protester, but a person with significant responsibility for our national security and presumably a grown up.

What would Cheney gain from a fresh attack?  The right to say "I told you so"?  He isn't running for shit and won't be for the rest of his life.  The guy's motivation is plain as day: he believes what he's saying is the truth and wants the country to remain safe.

Posted by: Fred at June 15, 2009 12:26 PM (+BCNM)

96 Does anybody remember the 'No Criticism of Bush' Policy from our Right Wing Conspiracy Manual?  Right, me neither.

Shit, I bet me and my fellow morons can recall criticizing Bush plenty throughout his eight years.

What I remember decrying was the lust for America's defeat.  The concoction of lurid conspiracy theories that amount to Holocaust Revisionism.  The game-playing over assassination.  Actively providing aid, succor, and moral support to people trying to kill US troops.  Smearing America.

Dissent?  Who gives the fuck about honest dissent?  It's the deviance masquerading as honest dissent that I decried. 

Anybody else?

Posted by: nickless at June 15, 2009 12:26 PM (MMC8r)

97 palin steele misses the point that it wasn't the act of criticism that shows liberals as unpatriotice, it's things like not saluting the flag, supporting the burning of the flag, congressmen jetting off to make their own deals with our enemies, demanding that the rights of terrorists be recognized regardless to the cost in American lives, outsourcing foreign policy to the UN, trying to remake our economy and morals in the image of the failed nations of Europe, sacrificing the will of the people to the will of the lawyers, pursuing the rights of criminals while preventing decent people from defending themselves, and defunding military programs to defend us from the rest of the world while sending taxpayer dollars to prop up Hamas.

But sure, go ahead and criticize.  It doesn't make you any more unpatriotic than you already are.

Posted by: Methos at June 15, 2009 12:27 PM (wU8X9)

98 palin steele's thought process is that if the Donks and the MSM (BIRM) say that "Dissent is Patriotic" then it follows that the Phants believe that "Dissent is Unpatriotic".

Please cite sources (URLs work best) where the Phants say that "Dissent is Unpatriotic".  And please, no fringers or lightweights; give us some of the same political pull as the Donks.

Kind regards,

Posted by: David in San Diego at June 15, 2009 12:27 PM (GF+6V)

99 If you want to live in your imaginary coccoon where your side never bashed liberals for being unpatriotic in criticizing bush, then thats your call.

If it was so prevalent, how come you can't find a single link to a single person of importance, say like perhaps a Senator or maybe the head of the CIA, who actually ever said that, as opposed to whining little leftists who all cried that they were being called unpatriotic when, in reality, they were not.

You fucktard lefties took that on yourself and wrapped your selves in the warm, safe blanket of victim-hood.  All of your whining and complaining was based on lies perpetuated by idiots like you, p_s.

So, as has been requested earlier, put up of shut up, you tool.  Unless you can find one person on the right, who has status comparable to Pinata-brain, who said anything like what he said, you are a fucking liar and always will be.

Posted by: wiserbud at June 15, 2009 12:27 PM (wWwJR)

100

The fact is that if Panetta cared about US security, at all, he never would have allowed himself to be installed as CIA director, since he is totally unqualified for the job and has no idea how to run or manage covert operations.  This is the fact of the matter and I wish someone would present Panetta with this obvious, and sad, truth.

Posted by: progressoverpeace at June 15, 2009 12:27 PM (A46hP)

101 but libs wanted the policies to fail-you can still see it today with the interrogation pictures.  they want them out there and, if a few soldiers die as a result, that's a small price to pay.  Heck, remember when Michael Moore puzzled over why the terrorists would attack NY when it voted against Bush.  now that, boys and girls, is truly wanting a policy to fail.  perhaps Mr. Panetta should concentrate on little issues like preventing terror, given that his Administration has a hard time articulating why some things they are doing make sense (like sending terrorists to Bermuda, for instance).

Posted by: ed at June 15, 2009 12:28 PM (Urhve)

102 Anyways, Im done. If you want to live in your imaginary coccoon where your side never bashed liberals for being unpatriotic in criticizing bush, then thats your call.

I remember every Democrat running for office screeching about how they were being accused of being unpatriotic, but then, as now - no one was ever able to provide quotes actually accusing anyone of treason or "unpatriotism."

As for you, I don't consider you patriotic or unpatriotic. You're too fucking ignorant of the history of this country and its founding principles to hold an informed opinion either way.

If a safe fell out of a window and crushed you to death, it would be neither a net positive or a net negative. That's how little significance you have in the grand story of our republic.

Have a nice day. Or don't - like I said, who gives a fuck about you, Worthless?

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at June 15, 2009 12:28 PM (xGIqT)

103 OT:  If I was a doctor at the AMA conference right now I'd be thinking about changing professions.  This mutt obama is going to try and ruin healthcare like he's ruined banking and automotive. 

I LIKE my Aetna coverage.

Posted by: Dang Straights at June 15, 2009 12:29 PM (Haq+B)

104 I started watching the Obumbles speech but couldn't stomach it.  Not only does it lie - but so blatantly that I can't stand it.

He also references the naysayers to his plan as using 'fear' to influence people to be against a single payer plan.  Fear?  As in the U.S. will go the way of GM if we don't enact this? 

Who the hell are these idiots clapping at this moron?

Posted by: Cheri at June 15, 2009 12:29 PM (11AYx)

105 wiserdbud, have you ever heard of the 'dixie chicks'?

they were a popular country band, but when they spoke out against bush, conservatives across the nation labeled them unpatriotic and blackballed them. guess you weren't aware of that.

Posted by: dick cheney at June 15, 2009 12:30 PM (VDj74)

106 Exactly nickless.  You don't see anybody making a movie called "The Assassination of Barack Obama" do you?  Or a weekly cartoon called "That's My Obama" ?

Posted by: Methos at June 15, 2009 12:31 PM (wU8X9)

107 and I see conservatives on blogs often post how liberals want America destroyed and such. that's all fine and patriotic. but leon panetta says cheney wants america attacked, and its a huge no no.

Posted by: dick cheney at June 15, 2009 12:31 PM (VDj74)

108 105

I knew he wouldn't leave.  Ha.

Posted by: nickless at June 15, 2009 12:31 PM (MMC8r)

109 105-Ha

Posted by: Pelvis at June 15, 2009 12:32 PM (LlaBi)

110

they were a popular country band, but when they spoke out against bush, conservatives across the nation labeled them unpatriotic and blackballed them. guess you weren't aware of that.

 

Still here?  We'll take that link...

Posted by: D. Axelrod at June 15, 2009 12:33 PM (W0B71)

111 wiserdbud, have you ever heard of the 'dixie chicks'?

That's it?  That's the best you got???  The fucking idiot Dixie Chicks? 

Okaym let's go with that one, moron. Now find a quote of any official in the Bush administration saying a single word about those morons and the courageous comments they made about our President while on foreign soil.

I'll wait.


Posted by: wiserbud at June 15, 2009 12:34 PM (IHbof)

112 conservatives never said criticizing bush was unpatriotic...they just don't like our shitty music tee hee

Posted by: dixie chicks at June 15, 2009 12:35 PM (VDj74)

113

Oh well, it was fun while it lasted.  It was great to be able pop a cold one, put up your feet and watch two democrats (Panetta and Pelosi) throw lawn darts at each other.

I agree with some previous posters that Panetta must have received a spanking from the WH along with new directions to make an outrageous charge against one of the administrations most able critics (who I believe doesn't really want the job).  Pretty typical democrat action.

Posted by: scr_north at June 15, 2009 12:35 PM (GE/dx)

114 doodie head!!!

Posted by: palm of steel at June 15, 2009 12:37 PM (yP5sH)

115 wiserbud, when did I ever say a bush official said the equivalent of what panetta said?

never did.

Drew M said libs have a double standard about when criticism is patriotic or not. I don't dispute that. But I pointed out that conservatives also have that double standard. They bashed folks who criticized bush as unpatriotic yet bash obama everyday all day.

Posted by: dixie chicks at June 15, 2009 12:37 PM (VDj74)

116 Ah yes, the supremely patriotic Dixie Chicks.  Who showed they're loyalty to country by expressing their hatred of George Bush on foreign soil.  Who were then denounced by the bulk of their fan base.

DC 'Not our President'
Fans 'Not our music, bitches.'

Seems fair enough to me.

Posted by: Methos at June 15, 2009 12:37 PM (wU8X9)

117 105 wiserdbud, have you ever heard of the 'dixie chicks'?

they were a popular country band, but when they spoke out against bush, conservatives across the nation labeled them unpatriotic and blackballed them. guess you weren't aware of that.

Posted by: dick cheney at June 15, 2009 12:30 PM (VDj74)


So not buying some guttersluts albums is "blackballing"?

you're a fucking idiot.


Posted by: the 17 Uighers at June 15, 2009 12:39 PM (5r0Tz)

118 This reminds me of issue # 564 where I was in an epic battle with the Hulk in the Secret Wars on planet Zoltron. The civilians of Zoltron just wanted their planet not to be destroyed in the process. They disagreed with the liberal use of my vibranium shield which was laying waste to their economy by flattening buildings and cutting threw their energy pipelines when the Hulk would dodge it. That is when the issue wrapped up in titanic conclusion where I labled anyone who disagreed with me a traitor. True story people.

Posted by: Captain America at June 15, 2009 12:39 PM (NM1Nu)

119 If only GWB had let Cheney defend the administration's policies instead of keeping him locked in Joe Biden's basement all the time . . .

Posted by: Stealth Gay Academic Conservative at June 15, 2009 12:39 PM (da2iz)

120 conservatives across the nation labeled them unpatriotic and blackballed them.

By the way, just as an aside, this is what is know as "freedom of speech."  They said something repugnant and the people who disagreed (not public officials or White House appointees, just plain ol' everyday people)  called them out for it. 

You have a problem with that?

guess you weren't aware of that.


Honestly, PS, someone as painfully stupid as you really should try to avoid the smugness.  It really doesn't suit you at all.

Posted by: wiserbud at June 15, 2009 12:39 PM (IHbof)

121

does p_s know he's still posting as the sockpuppet?

Posted by: MDH3 at June 15, 2009 12:40 PM (CZcCo)

122 uighers you dumb idiot...dixie chicks were wildly popular before they dared criticize bush

apparently conservatives don't think criticism is very patriotic when directed against a conservative president...so their taste in music shifted overnight

Posted by: dixie chicks at June 15, 2009 12:41 PM (VDj74)

123 ....and this comes from the top man in intelligence? If this were an example of the kind of information coming from his agency, then it should be disbanded.

Career officers have got to be just furious that they're being misrepresented by this douchenozzle.

Posted by: cthulhu at June 15, 2009 12:41 PM (m5ie4)

124 I never understood how not buying their crappy cd's was considered 'censorship' by the idiots on the left.  If the dixie twats didn't know their demographic before maines opened her stupid mouth that's their problem.

In any case, Panetta has no business being DCI.  We're seeing now that the pick is strictly political, he's nothing but another water-carrier.

Posted by: Dang Straights at June 15, 2009 12:41 PM (Haq+B)

125 Somebody needs to look into what Fox was reporting on Sunday and that was the transferring of CIA power to FBI. It is connected to the Miranda Rights crap.

And Eric Shawn had a piece on about some company based out of a huge building in New York which is owned by the Iranian government. I think it is called Avril or something like that. The point of the story is that there is a current FBI investigation that there is some very bad stuff going down with the company and it all has ties to Iran. I think some spying in involved as well. It is not getting enough exposure.

I would do it, but I think I have the flu. Could someone look into this?

Posted by: freeus at June 15, 2009 12:43 PM (zxRJP)

126 so not buying cds is freedom of speech (which i agree it is)...but panetta bashing cheney does not fall under freedom of speech

people were free to bash the dixie chicks for what they deemed were unpatriotic comments

but leon panetta cannot bash cheney for what he deemed was unpatriotic comments

oh right, panetta is a public official, hence his freedom of speech is limited

Posted by: palin steele at June 15, 2009 12:44 PM (VDj74)

127

Posted by: palin steele at June 15, 2009 11:48 AM (VDj74)

Posted by: dick cheney at June 15, 2009 12:31 PM (VDj74)

 

Brilliant. I really thought that was Dick Cheney posting. If you got any smarter your IQ might hit double digits. Might.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at June 15, 2009 12:45 PM (1Jaio)

128
"In any case, Panetta has no business being DCI.  We're seeing now that the pick is strictly political, he's nothing but another water-carrier."

its all politics and I wont deny that panetta is a political pick. but you never complained when bush made political picks, so why the double standard? why is it wrong only when libs do it?

Posted by: palin steele at June 15, 2009 12:46 PM (VDj74)

129 Brilliant. I really thought that was Dick Cheney posting. If you got any smarter your IQ might hit double digits. Might. - thequietman

holy crap...you understand the concept of a hash. you're a friggin genius!!!

Posted by: palin steele at June 15, 2009 12:46 PM (VDj74)

130 wiserbud, when did I ever say a bush official said the equivalent of what panetta said?

According to you, it was happening all the time.  Of course, when aksed to provide proof, youbravely attempt to back away from your own stupid words.  Typical.

Drew M said libs have a double standard about when criticism is patriotic or not.


Leave it you to totally miss the point.

Drew was saying that, previously, leftist idiots like you reveled in their self-imposed victimhood by stating that someone dared called them "unpatriotic" (whether that had actually occurred or not.)  Now, no less than the Director of the CIA is using that exact tactic against the left's political enemies that the left whined about so indignantly and you seem to be fine with it, even going so far as to try and defend it.

If you are looking for hypocrisy, p_s, you need look no further than your little Spongebob Squarepants mirror you have taped to the inside of your school locker to find it.  

Posted by: wiserbud at June 15, 2009 12:47 PM (wWwJR)

131 Still flailing about, opposed to private citizens exercising their 1st amendment rights in not buying a group's album and comparing it to an appointed government official releasing a statement denouncing another private citizen's (albeit, a former elected public official) statement about the course of the President's decisions.

And still posting as a sockpuppet.

Pass the popcorn! This is getting good.  Not Captain America thread good, but entertaining nonetheless.

Posted by: Jay in Ames at June 15, 2009 12:48 PM (UEEex)

132 palin steele

Which government official said the Dixie Chicks were hoping for a terrorist attack on U.S. soil?

Link, please.

Posted by: Warden at June 15, 2009 12:48 PM (KXbGD)

133 Oh, look at #84.
Ain't palin steele precious when it pretends it's going to march off in a huff?

Posted by: Nom de Blog at June 15, 2009 12:49 PM (1Bods)

134 The funny thing is that palin steele thinks he's making a valid comparison.

Can someone please draw him a Venn diagram? They don't cover those in Gender Studies.

Posted by: Warden at June 15, 2009 12:49 PM (KXbGD)

135 I'm leaving!!!!

Posted by: Warden at June 15, 2009 12:50 PM (KXbGD)

136

PS could you stop reading my comics you are an embarrasment. You just keep posting the cartoon characiture of people that you think are on the "right" and then asking them to respond to it. I think a better expenditure of your time would be popping those zits on your face, cancelling your World of Warcraft account, and then trying to get a girlfriend.

Posted by: Captain America at June 15, 2009 12:50 PM (NM1Nu)

137 Why is it that the assfucks only sow up on threads that have topics that need to be explored?  When the topic rflects O, they show up.  I say if they are here, we are missing something that they don't want us to discover.

Posted by: momma at June 15, 2009 12:50 PM (penCf)

138

but you never complained when bush made political picks

 

For a guy who spends lots of time here, you don't read so well.  Where have you been?

Posted by: D. Axelrod at June 15, 2009 12:50 PM (W0B71)

139 No ... I'm back!!!

Posted by: Warden at June 15, 2009 12:50 PM (KXbGD)

140 I'm leaving again!!!

Posted by: Warden at June 15, 2009 12:51 PM (KXbGD)

141

Cheney isn't releasing known  al-Qaeda operatives to Great Britain.

Obama is.

Cheney isn't releasing al-Qaeda-trained jihadists to the tropical island resort of Bermuda.

Obama is.

Cheney isn't acting as defense counsel for al-Qaeda, or demanding that terrorist combatants be read their rights.

Obama is.

Cheney didn't damage American national security by releasing the highly-classified memos detailing the parameters of our terrorist interrogation programs.

Obama did.

Cheney isn't pushing for the release of detainee abuse photos, knowing that such action will only serve as a recruiting tool for al-Qaeda.

Obama initially supported releasing those photos, knowing all the while that their release could only result in getting American soldiers killed. Once called on it, Obama decided to leave it to his Democrat surrogates in the Pelosi-led House to do his dirty work for him.

Cheney isn't seeking to prosecute/persecute/ruin those responsible for keeping us safe since September 11.

Obama is.

Cheney believes America is worth defending.

Obama doesn't.

Barack Obama should ditch Sonia Sotomayor in favor of Cindy Sheehan, someone who far more accurately reflects his reflexively anti-American views. 

Posted by: Sam Adams at June 15, 2009 12:51 PM (1kwr2)

142 Ok, I'm back. But just for today!!!

Posted by: Warden at June 15, 2009 12:51 PM (KXbGD)

143

but leon panetta cannot bash cheney for what he deemed was unpatriotic comments

 

Panetta can say whatever he wants.  But people can also call bullshit on him.  If Panetta doesn't like that, he can resign.  Free country and all that... 


Posted by: Francis at June 15, 2009 12:52 PM (W0B71)

144

142 Ok, I'm back. But just for today!!!

 

Post using a different name.  It will convince everyone that you're someone else! 

Posted by: Francis at June 15, 2009 12:53 PM (W0B71)

145

Well, if this is true, then Leon should almost have Cheney charged with treason.  Or at the very least almost doubt his patriotism.

Posted by: Mangas Colorados at June 15, 2009 12:53 PM (x3S/h)

146 Now if the FBI, and the CIA had a merger, exactly who would run this superagency?. What wound its call letters be? ciafbi. fbicia, super omoma agency? That it would be illegal I think, But hay, since when has that stopped BHO? Does anyone any any better ideas for the superagency name?

Posted by: mystry at June 15, 2009 12:54 PM (kmgIE)

147
So is this thread about McCain or is it about palin steele?

Inquiring minds want to know.

Posted by: klrtz1 at June 15, 2009 12:54 PM (qmzfF)

148 apparently conservatives don't think criticism is very patriotic when directed against a conservative president...so their taste in music shifted overnight

Much like the tastes of the NE libs and the oh-so-kewl progressives who otherwise would have never been caught dead listening to country music all of sudden started calling the Dixie Chicks musical geniuses and started buying their CDs to support them.

I can almost guarantee that at least have of the CDs those sluts sold after that moment in time were never opened, much less listened to.

It wasn't about their musical tastes changing.  It was that listening to their music reminded people of how disgusting they were personally.  And no one says they have to listen to something they don't want to.

I used to be a big Bruce Springsteen fan.  I, however, have a hard time listening to his music now, now that  he has revealed himself to be yet another clueless whiney leftard.  I also no longer feel the need to give him any of my hard earned money.

My tastes have not changed, but my tolerance for listening to someone whine and complain about how horrible my country is has certainly gone down dramatically.

Posted by: wiserbud at June 15, 2009 12:54 PM (wWwJR)

149 I'm leaving again! Hypocrites!

Posted by: not Warden at June 15, 2009 12:54 PM (KXbGD)

150 Both sides do it!!!

Posted by: Honest Warden Steele Cloud at June 15, 2009 12:56 PM (KXbGD)

151 Stalin Peele:  free market = censorship

Posted by: nickless at June 15, 2009 12:57 PM (MMC8r)

152 Our reality TV show on all the networks in Bermuda is going well.

Perhaps you could be a guest star Palin Steelle?

Posted by: the 17 Uighers at June 15, 2009 12:57 PM (5r0Tz)

153 When where there be a blog post about Obama's healthcare talk?  I couldn't stomach to watch it myself.

Posted by: yinzer at June 15, 2009 12:59 PM (/Mla1)

154 Warden,
Please stay.
Now I want you to go.
But when you go you must leave in a huff of feigned outrage.
But now I want you to stay.
But stay and use a sockpuppet.
But make sure it's an funfunny sockpuppet.
That'll show 'em.

Posted by: Nom de Blog at June 15, 2009 12:59 PM (1Bods)

155

why...its gonna be from biased liberal media anyways, so its all false. You're prob right, conservatives never said it was unpatriotic of libs to criticize bush's foreign policy.

Posted by: palin steele at June 15, 2009 12:02 PM (VDj74)

Well if its actual quotes then the source reporting it doesn't matter?  You are claiming "conservatives said...." you should be able to find sources with quotes of what was said, and prove your point.

And as for the "dissent is patriotic" stuff.  This statement was a liberal claim that the phrase was attributed to Jefferson, which it is not.  Conservatives would point that out.  Its pretty funny too because I'm sure if Conservatives attempted to use real quotes from the likes of Jefferson and other founders, liberals would attack and criticize and attempt to dismiss them as so many of them owned slaves.

Same case here. Only the roles are reveresed. Conservatives believe that obama's policies are bad. And they want him to screw up (just as libs wanted bush to screw up).

My point is you can't have it both ways.

But liberals can?  That's what you're saying here dipshit.  I really do doubt you're going to liberal blogs and pointing out how they are suddenly supporting the same policies they once criticized when Bush did them.  Of course if you did that you'd be banned and forced to come back here and whine about our "echo chamber."

In closing you are pathetic and a complete and utter imbecile.

Posted by: buzzion at June 15, 2009 01:02 PM (Lrsi6)

156 153 When where there be a blog post about Obama's healthcare talk?  I couldn't stomach to watch it myself.

Posted by: yinzer at June 15, 2009 12:59 PM (/Mla1)


It was just the standard talking points...nothing new.


"I'll save a trillion but spend 2 trillion"

"all my critics are lying bastards"

"i love single payer, but not in the US"


In other words, lying horseshit

Posted by: Anti-Harkonnen Freedom Fighter at June 15, 2009 01:02 PM (5r0Tz)

157 and i forgot one thing, the most glaring explicit contradiction:

1. All my critics are lying fearmongers
2. Health care without reform is a "ticking time bomb"

--Obama at AMA

Posted by: Anti-Harkonnen Freedom Fighter at June 15, 2009 01:04 PM (5r0Tz)

158 AHFF,

You should apply for the speech writing position on the WH staff.
Yours was much more succinct but managed to capture the spirit well.
I will write you a letter of rec if you need one.

Posted by: Nom de Blog at June 15, 2009 01:05 PM (1Bods)

159 Pelvis,

When the Dixie Chicks (DC) criticized GWB, that was free speech.

When (If?) GWB criticized the DC, that was free speech.

When country music fans left the DC in response to DC's free speech, that was free speech.

When the country music stations moved the DC out of the rotation in response to country music fan's response, that was free speech.

When the music company moved the DC from country to pop in response to the free speech of country music fans and radio stations, that was free speech.

When the remaining country music fans followed the DC into pop in response to..., that was free speech.

But as far as I know GWB never signed an Executive Order or signed into law calling for the ban of the DC from radio stations.  Maybe, just maybe, he used the bully pulpit to bring the DC's comments to light.

Posted by: David in San Diego at June 15, 2009 01:06 PM (GF+6V)

160
#157

Good thing you gave us the full story, I wasn't buying until then.  That ticking time bomb thing really puts it all in perspective though.

Posted by: somejoe at June 15, 2009 01:07 PM (yP5sH)

161 158

hehe thanks buddy

honestly, ive never followed politics this closely before, and i like to think i know alot about the day to day bullshit now----
it is very scary to talk to regular people at bars and realize just how little they know about what is actually going on and just how much the obama/msm propaganda is thought to be truth by the average joe.

scary, scary shit.

even conservative friends of mine talk about how obama's "health reform" is a "good step forward"

you have to hand it to axelrod et al - they did polling and figured out that the terms below associated with health care are popular and should be used constantly, regardless of the facts/truth:

"reform"
"competition"
"options"
"deficit neutral"
"fairness"

that's all any of these dem motherfuckers say - and it makes no sense.  sad that a 5th grade level argument by dems is winning the day


Posted by: Anti-Harkonnen Freedom Fighter at June 15, 2009 01:10 PM (5r0Tz)

162

OT

Hey morons, do you like to carry a pocket-knife?

Pretty soon you won't be able to.

A new law proposed by the Customs and Border Protection Agency will widen the definition of "switchblade" to include pocket knives.

...
The group says Customs’ new interpretation of the Federal Switchblade Act will affect virtually everyone who carries a pocket knife, no matter what type.

It's alleged that the government is being low-profile in trying to push the legislation through before anyone notices.

Posted by: momma at June 15, 2009 01:10 PM (penCf)

163 Re: The Dixie Chicks:

It's not as if the Dixie Chicks made a substantial policy statement that disagreed with the administration. They flat out insulted the president in front of a foreign audience in a foreign country. If Dick Cheyney went to, say, Australia, and said, "Boy, that Hussein Obama is a real asshole, isn't he?" then he might deserve the same degree of opprobrium.

Posted by: Farmer Joe at June 15, 2009 01:11 PM (z4es9)

164

I spend so much time groaning at headlines like this and moaning about headlines like this on the web, I need a time-saving algebraic notation for it:  I'll call it..."Gm"

 

Posted by: rdbrewer at June 15, 2009 01:13 PM (9AHG7)

165 Gm

Posted by: rdbrewer at June 15, 2009 01:13 PM (9AHG7)

166 #159 is right on. And of course what the lefty moonbats NEVER mention is that the reason the Dixie Chicks received such a negative reaction was because they said the things they did in a foreign country.

Posted by: George at June 15, 2009 01:14 PM (fkgyi)

167 AHFF,

If you think guys at bars are scary, you should try chatting up your elected officials. Those morons don't know anything. And that's true from dog catcher to Senator.

Ask them about supply and demand stuff. (e.g. If you make something cheaper, people will want more of it.) I guarantee you a blank stare.

Posted by: Nom de Blog at June 15, 2009 01:14 PM (1Bods)

168

Brian, #3, thanks for the unexpected laugh:

When the left has lost McCain, they've lost America.

Posted by: rdbrewer at June 15, 2009 01:15 PM (9AHG7)

169 And have you all seen the cover photo for the album the Dixie Chicks released after the brouhaha? Who did their make-up, anyway? Yeesh, all of them look like Nazgul.

Posted by: OregonMuse at June 15, 2009 01:17 PM (FnH/u)

170

wiserdbud, have you ever heard of the 'dixie chicks'?

they were a popular country band, but when they spoke out against bush, conservatives across the nation labeled them unpatriotic and blackballed them. guess you weren't aware of that.

Considering their follow-up album went multi-platinum (albeit, in far smaller numbers than their previous releases) and they were granted Pity Grammies by the music industry as a result, you might want to reconsider your definition of "blackballed."

Posted by: A Lock of Che Guevara's Chest Hair at June 15, 2009 01:17 PM (/Pw+r)

171

Poor Leftwingnuts, having to defend the indefensible.  Obama's war is a joke.   He has reversed all his claims yet cannot find the spine to win the war.  So apparently pointing out the flaws is a crime?

 

Panetta demonstrates exactly how much of a whore he is.  Can anyone else point to a serving CIA DIRECTOR WHO HAS ACTED AS PANETTA HAS?

 

Can anyone point out a president whose strategy in wartime is to hollow out the military?  Even Carter had more brains than this.  Even the troll Clinton wouldn't have attempted what the Obamanazis have.

One wonders what Bush did that someone acted to lose the war in contrast to Obama's strategy?   The difference between Bush and the communists is clear for all to see.  As Obama pulls defeat from the jaws of victory we see the same old red diaper types protest.

 

I saw them in Vietnam.  Never saw them when 3 million people were being slaughtered by the commies when Siagon fell.  Never heard a peep from one of them.   They were too busy dancing in the streets.  The same lies today, remember the BS they told us about Saddam?  Remember the meme about WMD?  Somehow they never are able to explain the hundred of tons of uranium ore that was imported for enrichment and subsequently sent to the USA for storage.   To believe or even listen to the Left is to drink deeply of the Kool Aid.

Has there ever been a more deceitful, corrupt, and grasping president in history?

It makes one long for the honest of Clinton, the competence of Carter and the charm of Nixon.

 

Obama for those who can't think straight.  Would you buy a used car from this chimp?

 

Posted by: Thomas Jackson at June 15, 2009 01:18 PM (B8gqF)

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Posted by: John ryan at June 15, 2009 01:18 PM (CJO46)

173 It can't be said enough.  Even with palin steele's political viewpoint not taken into consideration,  he or she is one ignorant human being.  It lacks any ability to make a cognizant argument or logical comparison.  What's sad is that it appears that it can't be shamed because it doesn't know better.

Posted by: polynikes at June 15, 2009 01:18 PM (m2CN7)

174 Crap, the link messed up. Let's try again.http://tinyurl.com/m8qnw3

Posted by: OregonMuse at June 15, 2009 01:18 PM (FnH/u)

175

@22, Hammer:

Dick Cheney craps bigger than Leon Panetta.

Hah!  Thanks.  More unexpected laughs.

Posted by: rdbrewer at June 15, 2009 01:20 PM (9AHG7)

176 "Cheney isn't releasing al-Qaeda-trained jihadists to the tropical island resort of Bermuda."

FYI, Bermuda isn't tropical.  People seem to think it's in the Caribbean: it's off the coast of North Carolina.

Posted by: Dave J. at June 15, 2009 01:22 PM (naTdL)

177

#24, DaveJ:

Like I've said before and will say again: Palin/Cheney 2012.  Because the VP isn't term-limited and it would make the left's heads collectively explode.

After Obama-Biden, I think most of the chix over at Hillbuzz secretly like themselves a little Dick.

Posted by: rdbrewer at June 15, 2009 01:23 PM (9AHG7)

178

McCain defended Cheney on Fox.

Now he just has to tell his friends in the rest of media.

Posted by: CJ at June 15, 2009 01:23 PM (9KqcB)

179 BTW, it needs to be said.
The Dixie Chicks?
I'd hit it.

Posted by: Nom de Blog at June 15, 2009 01:24 PM (1Bods)

180

159-I'm with you.  It was an attempt at logical idiocy.  I must say you were gentle.

The correct response to my comment could be:   You sir are a fucking idiot!

Posted by: Pelvis at June 15, 2009 01:25 PM (LlaBi)

181

#171, T.J.:

Panetta demonstrates exactly how much of a whore he is.  Can anyone else point to a serving CIA DIRECTOR WHO HAS ACTED AS PANETTA HAS?

I'm really surprised an old infighter like Panetta would make such a mistake.

Posted by: rdbrewer at June 15, 2009 01:29 PM (l3weA)

182 dissent in time of war is TREASON. - john ryan

So, you've changed your mind on that now, hmmm?

Go back and read the thread douchenozzle.  Your little bitch girlfriend p_s already tried that line of reasoning.  And failed massively.  You think you can do better?

Or are you, yet again ,just bravely dropping your little turdish bon mot and racing back to Kos to tell them how you pwned us yet again?

Posted by: wiserbud at June 15, 2009 01:30 PM (IHbof)

183

Rhetoric and dissent that called for the withdrawal and thus defeat and harm to the United States is treasonous.

Rhetoric and dissent that points out policies that could cause defeat and harm to the United States is a patriotic duty.

That one is not the same as the other is obvious to anyone but the most ignorant or those that hold the orwellian defeat equals victory position.    

Posted by: polynikes at June 15, 2009 01:30 PM (m2CN7)

184 they said no, dissent is unpatriotic.

Link it Palin Steele, you are lying.

Posted by: Topsecretk9 at June 15, 2009 01:32 PM (qKYFL)

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Posted by: momma at June 15, 2009 01:33 PM (penCf)

186

#173

I think it is properly said that the creature know as PS is paid not to know better.  No one could be so deluded, even Biden is right twice a day.  PS(M) never is.

But this should qualify it as the head of the DNC.

 

In the meantime watch the Dhimmies try and say they will not be responsible if there is another terrorist attack just as the leftwingnuts tried to convince us that Clinton's policies didn't reduce our intelligence agencies to a joke, as the jihaddies and all the other intelligence agencies were rolling over and laughing.

Posted by: Thomas Jackson at June 15, 2009 01:33 PM (B8gqF)

187 dixie chicks were wildly popular before they dared criticize bush

You really don't understand the music biz, twatboy; or anything else for that matter.  The Ditzy Slits popularity (which was never "wild") has diminished for a lot of factors, including shitting all over their longtime fans for keeping sound samples of their out-of-print recordings available on websites by siccing a legion of ambulance chasers on them.  In addition, they became famous in a music genre that's known for being conservative so making snarky comments about a President overseas isn't a very intelligent thing to do.  And whining about it afterward is flatout pathetic.  It got them five minutes of popularity by the Rolling Stones crowd and assholes like you; and they tried to change their music to appeal to those type of dipshits.  But guess what; it didn't work so well because they really aren't that good in a rock setting.

Give me an honest answer, fuckface:  Have you supported them by buying one of their shitty cds?

Posted by: Captain Hate at June 15, 2009 01:33 PM (Vlq0g)

188 1. All my critics are lying fearmongers
2. Health care without reform is a "ticking time bomb"

--Obama at AMA

Posted by: Anti-Harkonnen Freedom Fighter at June 15, 2009 01:04 PM (5r0Tz)

 

Barry is the only thing between them and the pitchforks. Urkel Obama really loves to threaten people.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at June 15, 2009 01:36 PM (1Jaio)

189 Democrats accuse Republican politicians of hoping Americans die for their own political advantage ... with no factual evidence to back it up

While conservatives correctly call out Democratic politicians who actually do hope for Americans to be harmed in order to gain political advantage.

Exist questions for the cowardly, palin steele ... the one who makes baseless assertions then runs away after being called on it ...

Can we agree that Panetta's accusation is based on nothing but speculation?

Can we agree that this video is evidence that at least two prominent Democrats have wished out loud almost exactly what Panetta baselessly accuses Cheney of wishing?

Can we agree that it would be right to call these two Democrats unpatriotic for wishing death and misery upon their countrymen?

Can you find any examples of prominent Republicans doing this?



Posted by: Warden at June 15, 2009 01:41 PM (KXbGD)

190 Urkel Obama really loves to threaten people.

Hey, it's the way you get things done in Chicago.

Posted by: OregonMuse at June 15, 2009 01:43 PM (FnH/u)

191 I think Panetta should resign, but the fact is he's just saying what the left has long said: you guys on the right want another attack because it helps you politically!

As the man said, projection: they only know what they'd do and they are figuring since this is how they'd be in our place, we must want it.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at June 15, 2009 01:45 PM (PQY7w)

192 BTW, since palin steele can't be expected to Google the context of that video ... those two scumbag Democrats are laughing that the destructive effects of that hurricane hitting New Orleans will overshadow the news coverage of the Republican Convention.

Swell guys you've got in your party, palin steele. Compassionate.

Posted by: Warden at June 15, 2009 01:45 PM (KXbGD)

193

Dick Cheney's forgotten more about national security than Leon Pannetta will ever know.

In a perfect world, listening to someone who actually has experience in an area would be considered a wise thing to do.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at June 15, 2009 01:46 PM (ZGhSv)

194 That's double standard for ya!

SHUT. THE. FUCK. UP.

There are people that I love in Iraq and Afghanistan right now and you have no God Damn right to politicize the the thought of their deaths, you miserable spoiled little brat.

Posted by: dumb_blonde at June 15, 2009 01:47 PM (sXXzu)

195 Panetta's qualification for DCI: his uncanny skill at sneaking Bubbas trollops in and out of the WH undetected.

Two for one shot...DL said: health care reform is single most important thing we can do America's financial future [approx. quote]. 

Really?  Well then, if 'parties unknown' turn 4 to 6 US cities into radioactive versions of Detroit, that won't effect our economy one little bit, right...?

Priorities, priorities.

[So then, am I 'unpatriotic' now?]

Posted by: CPT. Charles at June 15, 2009 01:54 PM (lYKj1)

196

My God, now it's trying to sockpuppet. Pass the popcorn

HoosierHoops aka palin steele is a dude playin' a dude pretendin' to be another dude.

 

Posted by: Jack Bauer's Evil Brother at June 15, 2009 01:56 PM (gZRjs)

197

"The Democratic Party reminds me of the Republicans circa 1965 or so – impotent, shrill, no ideas, conspiratorial, reactive, out-of-touch with most Americans, isolationist, and full of embarrassing spokesmen."

Victor Davis Hanson

 

Posted by: dananjcon at June 15, 2009 02:02 PM (1B81L)

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Posted by: PersonFromPorlock at June 15, 2009 02:15 PM (mA245)

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Posted by: PersonFromPorlock at June 15, 2009 02:17 PM (mA245)

200

Panetta made that statement for one reason and one reason only, if we are attacked again, the left and the media will use that quote over and over to distract from what has actually happened.

The scary thing? Panetta is in a position to know that we might be in danger of being attacked. It's almost as if he is afraid of it too.   

Posted by: Rightwingsparkle at June 15, 2009 02:22 PM (yclvV)

201 Panetta's comments about a truth commission to shield the President is alarming.  Why the heck would the CIA director choose to talk about that?

Now I have to read the New Yorker and read gawful transcripts of conversations with Jane Mayer to learn how that subject was raised.  Fuck.

Posted by: WTF Capital Investments at June 15, 2009 02:31 PM (GtYrq)

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The Dixie Chicks. I wouldn't hit it.

The fat one looks like she has bad breath.

Posted by: nikkolai at June 15, 2009 02:35 PM (4EBUu)

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To all the leftist wackos on this thread:

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Posted by: momma at June 15, 2009 01:33 PM (penCf)

 

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Posted by: TheQuietMan at June 15, 2009 02:36 PM (1Jaio)

204 Would some one ask Pelosi about Panetta's comment.  Can she tell us if he is lying or not?

Posted by: Jack at June 15, 2009 02:36 PM (Ss83y)

205 Look at the Cheney sockpuppets (63 & 73): the troll sees it as part of a standard-issue human psyche to wish for horrible things to happen in order to prove you were right in your predictions.

Troll believes this is normal; that this is how people think.

He takes it for granted that of course Cheney wishes for this. That if it's pointed out to us by means of that sock, we're going to slap our foreheads and say, rats, PS is right.

Lefties. Jayzus.

Posted by: dustmouse at June 15, 2009 02:37 PM (N20uT)

206 Good one, Jack.

Posted by: rdbrewer at June 15, 2009 02:38 PM (l3weA)

207

@200, R.W.S.:

Panetta made that statement for one reason and one reason only, if we are attacked again, the left and the media will use that quote over and over to distract from what has actually happened.

Scary thought.  So scary, it cannot be true.  (Crosses fingers.)

Posted by: rdbrewer at June 15, 2009 02:39 PM (l3weA)

208 And have you all seen the cover photo for the album the Dixie Chicks released after the brouhaha? Who did their make-up, anyway? Yeesh, all of them look like Nazgul.

I can easily picture Maines commanding her winged worm to "feast upon his flesh".

In that photo, note that they hid the fat one's ass behind the car door.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at June 15, 2009 03:00 PM (oT+Ek)

209

......not like the Dems trashing the past administration daily on the war, rubbing
their hands in glee at every setback...issuing "the war is lost! proclamations.....
no, THAT didn't happen, potato-nose Panetta, did it? Now that the shoe is
is on the Dem's foot, we hear the defensive mewling begin. Panetta et al,
thy name is:

 

Hypocrisy


 

 

 

Posted by: Trajan at June 15, 2009 03:41 PM (hnuZ5)

210 The Dixie Chicks?  I'd hit it.

Sure, but it would be a grudge-fuck.  And I wouldn't use my real name.

Because of the doom.

Posted by: Greek Chorus at June 15, 2009 04:04 PM (PD1tk)

211 I don't want Obama to fail:  I want Obama's heart to fail.

Posted by: kathysaysso at June 15, 2009 04:40 PM (ZtwUX)

212 The whole problem with Panetta's canard is that Cheney's got nothing to gain politically from entering the fray. He's not going to be on any ticket in 2012. The reason he's saying anything at all is because his record is being childishly and dangerously smeared by those who took over in January, and he is man enough to step up and say, "Wait a minute--that's not what happened."

I'm really sick of everyone on the left seeing everything as political gamesmanship, when a very dangerous reality lurks around, looking for weaknesses in our defenses.

Posted by: red speck at June 15, 2009 04:44 PM (/vfpn)

213

Panetta made that statement for one reason and one reason only, if we are attacked again, the left and the media will use that quote over and over to distract from what has actually happened.

The scary thing? Panetta is in a position to know that we might be in danger of being attacked. It's almost as if he is afraid of it too.   

Posted by: Rightwingsparkle at June 15, 2009 02:22 PM (yclvV)

 

Exactly what I said yesterday.

Posted by: momma at June 15, 2009 05:22 PM (penCf)

214 Well, it sets up this distraction. Say, God forbid, terrorists hit the US again. While people are thinking "wow, this never happened with Bush in office, its almost as if that open hand of friendship tactic doesn't work" the Democrats can trot out "the GOP always wanted this!" to try to take the wind out of Republican sails.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at June 15, 2009 05:35 PM (PQY7w)

215 It's only a matter of time that an AQ operative figures out the "Lone Wolf" scenario and its cost-effectiveness. 


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Posted by: Thomas Jackson at June 15, 2009 11:01 PM (B8gqF)

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The Hildabeast once said that the 'prospect of a terror attack before the 2008 election, could boost the GOP’s efforts to hold on to the White House.'
http://tinyurl.com/2bm8ay

Leon has his panties in a wad because Cheney had the gall to point out that THE ONE's asinine policies are making America less safe. If we are attacked again, it won't be due to any wish of Cheney's.

 

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