1 Our President really ain't that bright is he?  I mean, it's BLINDINGLY obvious to me...am I wrong here?

2 The solution is simple:

Send half of them to Bermuda, and keep the other half in Gitmo.

I'm thinking send their lower halves to Bermuda - the frozen looks of horror on their upper halves would serve us well at Gitmo, pour encouragement les autres.

3 What the hell kind of "world partner" is China if we can't send these guys back there for fear they'll be tortured and executed?

4 JDW: A strong one.

5 President Obama['s] done more to sour the U.S. special relationship than Bush 43 ever did.

Oh, no, you did not just talk about President Messiah like that ... someone cut his mic off ....

6 Is anyone thinking any of these things through? Even a little?

7 At this point, I have to assume that Biden is less of a fucking dunce than Obama.

Perhaps Obama is a robot being controlled by Biden.

8

I guess the late-night joke writers are correct; Obama really ISN'T that funny.

Scarily mind-numblingly incompetent for holding the position of POTUS, definitely.

9 Jai:  Yes, Obama is King Idiot-Savant of American Politics.  Brilliant at getting elected.  Stupid as shit when it comes to every single possible way of fucking up policy.  And an arrogant prick, as well.  Win/win! 

10 I hope the British send them on to China.

11

I actually feel sorry for these poor bastards.  They were probably in Afghanistan to learn how to fight the PRC in Xinjiang, not mix it up with the US.  But lie down with dogs...So eventually, the PRC will get their hands on them, torture them and then kill them.  And then brag about it.     

12 For a guy who claims to live by the virtues of listening, communication and diplomacy, when he decides to do something,  f-ck you.

13 Mau Mau Obama at it again?

14 Er, call me crazy, but isn't step one when doing ANYTHING to/for/with another country to check with the sovereign power first? Especially when said country happens to be in a dependent status to our (formerly?) very close allies the British?

To be crude, you don't shit in someone else's house without asking to use the damn head first, it's COMMON COURTESY! But hey, at least we don't have that Cowboy Bush in office anymore, right?

15 Just send the Brits an iPod with pictures of Lady Worfina prancing around London in her clown suit.  They'll be fine.

16 Not only is Obama not a "student of history", he is also not a student of geography. 

17 But it appears that the Government of Bermuda failed to consult with the Foreign and Commonwealth Office on the decision to take in the Uighurs – whose return is demanded by Beijing – and it could now be forced to send them back to Cuba or risk a grave diplomatic crisis.

Another failure for Obama.

And, in some way, I do feel sorry for the terrorists- imagine thinking you're going to get a cushy gig in the Bahamas and then get sent back to Gitmo....

...where they will get all the halal food they want, Korans, free laptops, no jobs... wait. Why would anyone want to leave Gitmo? Hell, they might have a better life than I do!

18

So this is "Smart Diploymacy"? Nice going there Madame Sec. of State.

Wow, it's a good thing we didn't get someone like Gov. Palin or Sen. McCain. (/sarc)

19

[damn! I really need to do spell-check]

diploymacy --> diplomacy

20

Too bad for the wiggers. Just think...they could have become commonwealth citizens of Bermuda and then they would have been free to travel or reside in any commonwealth country around the globe.

Sucks to be a wigger.

21 Doesn't Bermuda require some kind of minimal financial requirement for Americans to live there. Kind of like a place millionaires could live but weeds out the trash,if so, how on Earth did these guys who trained in AQ trainng camps, who we're picked up on battlefields in Iraq and Afghanistan(way far away from China) meet the requirements.

22

If Bermuda were independent and free, we wouldn't be having this problem.

Colonialism:  is there anything it can't do?

/sarc

23 Who retains the authority to permit entry to foreigners in Bermuda and the granting of citizenship? Is that the UK or is it Bermuda? I don't know. But would be good to know for this post.

24
Doesn't anyone have the stones anymore to just turn these mutts into sharkfood?  If they're bumping around Bermuda it's just a matter of time until they decide to start shooting the place up (it is full of western decadence on display, after all).   Turn them into chum and be done with it.

25 Which terrorists do I need to hang out with to get the free trip to the Bahamas? It's got be muslim right?  I go to jail if I join a militia.  That's how it works, right?

26 This sounds like unilateralism to me.  Where's John F. Kerry?!

27 Hmm. Don't we fund a State Department to handle this? Doesn't the White House consult with this State Department? What's going on here?

28 Why does China want these guys back?

29 Every time I look at Biden I get this image of the scarecrow from "The Wizard of Oz". I half expect him to start dancing around and break into "If I only Had a Brain".

30

28 Why does China want these guys back?

 

So they can have a short discussion behind the woodshed. 

31

So they can have a short discussion behind the woodshed. 

With the end of the discussion punctuated by a pistol shot.

32 Pissing off the Brits.
Pissing off Canada.
Pissing off Australia.
Pissing off a somewhat-friendlier-to-the-West France.
Pissing off our only ally in the Middle East.

Sucking up to Iran.
Sucking up to Saudi Arabian Wahhabist monarch.
Sucking up to North Korea.
Sucking up to the so-called Palestineans.

Spending double-digit percentages of the GDP in his first 100 days.
Quadrupling the Federal Deficit in his first year's budget.
Adding 12% to the per capita national debt in his first 100 days.
Adding millions of people to unemployment lines around the country.

Claiming to be able to save "trillions of dollars" in health care, and instead of actually just doing it, choosing to turn any alleged savings straight into Nationalized Health Care (and when those savings turn out to be completely made up, adding THAT to the economy).

Making the only real cuts to his budget to the Department of Defense. (During not one, but TWO, shooting wars and several trouble spots around the globe.)

If Obama were deliberately trying to destroy this country, what would he be doing any differently?

33 28 Why does China want these guys back?

So they can kill them. They were in Afghanistan for training to FIGHT China. It's kind of like if the Chinese captured al Qaeda types but wouldn't turn them over to us for fear of Gitmo (yes, I know, TOTALLY different degrees of harshness etc., but it's the closest analogy I can make right now).

34 You know, this is all completely ridiculous.  The solution to the Uighur problem is simple enough.

Obama: I will return the Uighurs to the Chinese government as long as they promise to give them a fair trial without mistreatment.
Chinese: We won't promise anything of the sort, they will be dealt with however we feel like.
Obama: Fine, then we have no choice but to return them to where we found them, in the terrorist training camps of Afghanistan training to commit acts of terrorism against the Chinese government.

But nooooooooo, he has to drag the entire world through this kabuki theater of "what to do with the Uighurs".  We send them to tropical islands, piss off the British, piss off everyone.  Damn that Obama.

35 Look, I thought it would be a good idea!  I'm sorry I brought the whole thing up, okay?

36 Good thing adults are in charge now!

37

WE GAVE PALAU 200 MILLION TO TAKE THE OTHER ONES!!!

"Palau's decision (to take some of the men) appeared to be linked to a US offer of $200 million in "development and budget aid", but it was not clear whether Bermuda had been offered a similar amount."

200 million to clear our conscience and look good in the eyes of the world? Fuck that! Give me 200 million and I'd even dare french kissing his wife!

38

What the hell kind of "world partner" is China if we can't send these guys back there for fear they'll be tortured and executed?

They're freakin terrorists. We had them in prison. Who cares so damn much?

(yes, I know, TOTALLY different degrees of harshness etc

Yeah. Other nations are not nearly that hypocritical... Oh wait that sounds exactly like what 9 out of 10 countries would do to us absent strongarming.

39 If Obama were deliberately trying to destroy this country, what would he be doing any differently?

He'd have an idiot like Joe Biden as his VP.

Oh, wait...

40
 We paid Palau $200 mil to take these guys, and the Chi-Coms are demanding that Palua hand them over.  The Chi-Coms will get these guys and the Paluans are $200 mil to the better.  They may be some little po-dunk group of islands in the S. Pacific, but they know a sucker when they see one.  That would be Barry.  Palua couldn't give a rat's ass about these Uighur chaps, nor do I.  They just saw an easy chunk of change.  So, ACLU and Libs, suck that one up.  These guys will be dead within a few months.  I don't care.

As for Bermuda?  Another fiasco.  Fiascos are an everyday occurrance with Barry and his so-called 'administration'. Their problem is that not only are they stupid they suffer from extreme hubris believing that no one understands what they're doing.  Not so.

I smell a huge SMACK DOWN coming.  And it can't happen soon enough.  It won't be because of the Uighurs.  It will be our crashing economy.

And one more thing on the topic of hubris.  Michelle Obama needs to just put on a burkha, grab a bottle of gin and sit in a corner quietly drinking until her hubby's term is up.  She's far too old and fat to be wearing her daughter's  clothes as she did yesterday.    That fluffy orange, snake thing might have looked good on Twiggy in a bad moment but not on MO who looks like a Harlem Globetrotter in drag.

Time to prepare to oust these grifters.

41 Think any late night comedians might get a joke or two out of this latest Obama fuckup?

42

It's entirely possible that nobody in the upper reaches of the inner sanctum knew that Bermuda was connected to GB. Now if memory serves--I'm not looking this up on the old Replogle--Bermuda is, next to Cuba of course, the closest place to Gitmo. So I'm predicting a sad parade of night cruises, to the Windwards and Leewards, finally settling on the USVI ("Those are ours? No kidding?"), Dry Tortugas or Navassa Island.

A quick re-reading of "Doctor No" might be in order about now.

43 For 12 million I would take one of them and teach them to mow my pasture and other jobs, hell I would even educate them.

44 Part of this is that the Brits are in perma-grouch mode when it comes to President Obama.

Yeah well when you kick someone in the beanbags often enough they tend to get grouchy around you. It's obvious Obama hates the Brits. Pretty much everyone who was our ally he's alienated and abused, sort of like what President Bush was falsely accused of.

45

We are not amused.

It takes more than one Ipod to settle this, my American cousin. . . .

46

You know who we should give the Uighurs to?

Taiwan. That would really fuck some shit up right there.

 

47

Pissing off the Brits.
Pissing off Canada.
Pissing off Australia.
Pissing off a somewhat-friendlier-to-the-West France.
Pissing off our only ally in the Middle East.

Pissing off the Germans.

Pissing off the Japs.

Pissing off the Polish.

Pissing off the Czechs...

48

diploymacy = What Bush 43 did, reasonably successfully.

diplomacy = What Obama incompetently Epic Fails to do, even though it's the only arrow in his quiver because he's a giant pussy even bigger than the one on his Wookie "wife."

49

The next President will have to go on a world tour to apologize for the Obama administration fuckups.

He/She will have to  go on a 50-state tour here at home first.

50 "We tried ever so hard to convince them to relocate to Mexico. We showed them all the glossy brochures of Playa del Carmen, but they wouldn't budge, something about being scared of swine flu. And then, out of the blue, one of them mentioned he'd really love to attend the Bermuda Jazz Festival and it all kinda' started there."

51 Maybe Barack thought it was called dickplomacy.

52 Bermuda is, next to Cuba of course

The Bahamas are next to Cuba.  Bermuda is east of North Carolina.  Don't give up on the old Replogle.

53 As noted in the comments, Bermuda did this for a few reasons....

1. to curry favor with Obama and avoid the massive US taxes on overseas activities by US companies, which would crush their economy, and

2. the Bermuda Labour government makes the British Labour government look like choir boys (and girls).
They've been looking for a major diplomatic crises with the UK for a while as part of their independence agenda.

This is a really serious diplomatic breach by Obama against the British......Obama had better watch out as if ole Gordie Brown goes down (as he will soon) the next British PM may have a few stinkbombs of his own for Obama.

54 ...and I see the British government caving, after some unsubtle reminders from the "Islam is Britain's future" crowd.  But I'm all gloomy like that.

55 Entropy at June 11, 2009 01:27 PM

No, most likely they'd just kill them. Terrorists are bad news for all concerned, REGARDLESS of who they're currently aiming at. The Germans found that out the hard way when they sent Lenin back to Russia to foment revolution and wound up importing one FROM him after WWI ended. (And yes, Lenin was very much a terrorist).

Personally, I say let them off back in Afghanistan with the understanding that if they get caught again, they die: recapture would just mean a firing squad.

Let them sort it out!

56 Taiwan. That would really fuck some shit up right there. Posted by: Lee

I'm not sure we want more fucked up shit right now. In fact, I was hoping for less fucked up shit. Say 20% less.

Then again, I suppose we could deal with 15% less fucked up shit and 5% moderately fucked up shit. At any rate, I'm not sure about the tax implications. Maybe I should talk to my fucking accountant first.

57
What's the over/under on how long it takes these Man-made Disasterists to start man-made-distasterizing?

58 Um, the above is because Military Tribunals have been taken Off The Table by our current crop of Those Who Know Best.

Otherwise we could treat them (rightly) as EPWs and hold them for the duration with no problems...

59 Smarter foreign policy.

60 The Obamamateurs^TM are fuggin' up again, I see. I keep getting that deja vu thing going, again and again with this crop of know-it-all know-nothings. Good for the Brits. I hope they get sent back to Club Gitmo.

61 In all honesty, if one of these guys goes nuts and kills people on one of these islands, who is on the hook for their actions?

62
61 In all honesty, if one of these guys goes nuts and kills people on one of these islands, who is on the hook for their actions?

Bush, of course.

63 Okay, I thought that China wanted to 'terrorize' them.  But why won't we give them to China then?  All we have to do 'publicly' is say we made an agreement that nothing would happen to these fine gents.  The Chinese will make sure no one finds out what happened to them.

64

In all honesty, if one of these guys goes nuts and kills people on one of these islands, who is on the hook for their actions?

Hillary

65 Dammit.

Diplomattin' is hard. So many countries ...

66

32

All the lefties, when the Star Trek movie came out, started comparing Obama to Spock, but with that perfectly summation of Obama's foreign policy moves...

He's Spock with the goatee.

67

Let's see....These guys are al-Qaeda-trained Islamic jihadist nutbags who go berserk if a woman is so immodest as to bare her elbows, and we're sending them to a tropical beachfront resort?

 

68

@52, Bermuda is east of North Carolina.  Don't give up on the old Replogle.

Then that would be where Bishop Berkeley built the original utopian experiment, for converting heathens to Christianity in 1725, right?

It could still work...

69 67

that's "smart power" for ya

Remember, these are the guys that destroyed a plasma TV in Gitmo because a woman withotu a burka appeared in a commercial.

fucking disaster we're headed for.

70

43 For 12 million I would take one of them and teach them to mow my pasture and other jobs, hell I would even educate them.

 

Queer Lit.Theory and Womyn's Studies?

71

I think that Obama enjoys pissing on and off our already established allies because he's an arrogant malignant narcisisstic asshat.  I also think that at the rate he's going, he's going to be doing The Apology Tour 2.0--it will start at the Great Wall of China and proceed westward.  I wonder how far he can push the Chinese before they decide they don't want to fund our debt any more.    

72

Remember, these are the guys that destroyed a plasma TV in Gitmo because a woman withotu a burka appeared in a commercial.

 

Not the plasma!!!

73 It still eludes me as to why it's wrong for China to execute these guys? it isn't like they are Tibetan monks looking to fight an insurgency to free their invaded country from Chinese control.

Now, if we really wanted to be bastards about it, we'd finish up their training, then slip them over the border into China from one of the many "not China"-stans on their western border.

Hey, we sent the back. Whaddya want?

74 Word has it that administration heard that the Uighers really dig the whole "Bermuda shorts and knee socks" look.  Problem solved.  Reset button accomplished!

75 He's Spock with the goatee.

Yes, but that Spock knew what the frack he was doing.

Actually, almost all the Spocks ever encountered knew what they where doing. Except during pan farr, but hey, what guy doesn't go at least a little nuts during mating season?

76

73 It still eludes me as to why it's wrong for China to execute these guys? it isn't like they are Tibetan monks looking to fight an insurgency to free their invaded country from Chinese control.

 

They want Sinkiang free of PRC control.  It is Tibet to them.  Seriously...The Uighers aren't Han. They're central asian. 

77

But ... but ... I thought God was omniscient!

78

Maybe some things are now starting to stick on the cheap teflon covering zero.

79 Here's a strange tragic story. I guess the Grim Reaper doesn't appreciate being stood up when you have a date with him

Woman who missed Flight 447 is killed in car crash

80

79 Here's a strange tragic story. I guess the Grim Reaper doesn't appreciate being stood up when you have a date with him

Woman who missed Flight 447 is killed in car crash

 

He's nothing if not persistent. 

 

 

81 80

79 Here's a strange tragic story. I guess the Grim Reaper doesn't appreciate being stood up when you have a date with him

Woman who missed Flight 447 is killed in car crash

 

He's nothing if not persistent. 

It looks like we've got the plot to Final Destination 5, which would be interesting if only because the first film was based off the TWA 800 crash.

82 Is the goal to shut down Gitmo no matter what, without thinking it out, without figuring out what the end result will be?

83

82 Is the goal to shut down Gitmo no matter what, without thinking it out, without figuring out what the end result will be?

 

Yes. 

84 Gabe et al, I seem to recall hearing that a lot of JAG's wanted to get out of Gitmo and there was literally like a revolving door.  Can't remember whether I read it somewhere or saw it in a post or heard it.  Maybe he shoudl have spoken to those people first before he did anything?

85 45
We are not amused.

It takes more than one Ipod to settle this, my American cousin. . . .

Posted by: HRM Queen Elizabeth II at June 11, 2009 01:29 PM (mm70F)

What d'ya mean the Uighars kept the iPods?
Four prisoners, Four iPods: One for ER2, One for Brown, One for Sir Richard, and one for the G***damned idiot who hired them. Can't you f*****g people do anything without a teleprompter in front of you?

86

@64  No, Bush.

What is this "responsibility," anyway?

87 If you go to Europe any time soon I highly suggest you can either speak the language or make sure the American accent is hidden. These people are seriously pissed! That or have some business cards printed out with a seriously good apology on it. Make sure you give out the card before speaking!

On the bright side of the Palau thing, if they do give them up to China, some family will have something to eat for dinner. In all seriousness, China putting pressure on Palau to give these terrorist up will at least make us safer.

The entire world is freaking on fire.

88 Just saw on Fox (Special Report) that the Uighur's in Bermuda will be able to visit the US without a visa.

Good times, good times.

89 Has there ever been a President who was such a clueless chimp as Obama?

90
Hey, England! How many times do I have to say it?

FUCK YOU!

91 Did we give these Uighers DVDs to pass around in Bermuda? Thats a sure fire way to fit in and make new friends

92 "Who retains the authority to permit entry to foreigners in Bermuda and the granting of citizenship? Is that the UK or is it Bermuda?"

It's the UK.  Bermuda is not a Commonwealth dominion like Canada or Australia or Jamaica--an independent country that has the same head of state as the UK, but that actually exchanges diplomatic representatives with the British government (high commissioners, not ambassadors, between one of Her Majesty's Governments and another).  Bermuda is a Crown Colony, like Gibraltar or the Falklands.  It has a degree of self-government but it is British soil.

93 Why not send them to Taiwan?

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95 I think we should give all in Gitmo an all expense paid trip to the beautiful Pakistan countryside, complete with the pack in which a parachute should reside.  Open the back of the comfy transport and push them out!!!

96 I hear that the Chinese are not too happy about holding onto American T-Bills these days.

If I were running the government of Palau, I would talk to the Chinese about taking some of those unloved assets off their hands.  The bid is already $200 million so the Chinese would have to do better than that.

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The blame is totally with Bermuda's Premier, Dr. Brown and the US Consul General Slayton stationed in Bermuda  It is amazing that two local officials in a tiny 21 square island in the middle of the Atlantic are so seduced by power that they can cause an international incident with their high handed, under handed tactics

They made a secret deal and didn't tell ANYBODY until the 4 terrorists arrived. Bermudians of both political parties and all races are furious.

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