1 Prediction:  The panty-laden ONT will be a bigger draw that this thread.

2 And to think that he's my reasonable senator...

3 Captain America would have only used the powers for good.

4 You know, I half thought this was going to be about McCain.

5

Ha!  Kerry calling Bush bombastic?  That's the pot calling the kettle black.  I guess he prefers a Bomb-Tastic Diplomacy.  Yea!  Let's hear it for Smart Power!

6 "Standing for shit is haaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrdddd...."

7

It's hard to find a Senator more irrelevant than McCain but I think I delivered.

8

Iran also has huge natural gas deposits, with natural gas being used worldwide to generate electricity. (Ontario plans to replace its oil/gas burning plants with natural gas.)

9 I find that if something absolutely, positively makes no fuckin' sense at all, you can bet your bottom dollar a Dem stands behind it 110%.

10 Is he doing this ass-clownery on his own, or as a proxy for the Administration to put more pressure on Israel?

11 They DO have the right to develop nuclear power for electric generation, masses of oil or not.

But secreting their research from the outside world does make a lie of their claims to peaceful uses.

12 I guess in John Kerry's mind Iran passes the global test and America fails (well failed under Bush).

It's a hell of a world.

13 We're going to pay dearly for these utterly misguided and mortally dangerous attempt sby these buffons to "make amends" to the third-world despotism crowd.

14 Dave, sorry to be O/T in your thread.  Posted links to this video earlier in the day.  As I read around the bogosphere I notice that all the financial blogs are referring to the appearance in one way or another.  Have a look and then look here:

15

http://tinyurl.com/m45ma3

I.a.dinner.jacket invited O to debate him at UN if he wins re-election.  "I want constructive interaction on justice and respect and if I remain in the post, I will invite President Obama to a debate in the venue of the United Nations General Assembly," Ahmadinejad said in an interview on Channel 4 of Iran's state-run TV Tuesday evening. ......He further underlined that the revisionist movement initiated by the US administration over its policies is not a gift to other countries, but a necessity to prevent the US from facing more fundamental problems.  

Sounds like a threat doesn't it?

 

Found in comments:   I so dearly hope President Obama accepts the debate invitation from President Ahmadinejad. I believe a debate with such an unhinged dictator, even if initially scripted with prepared questions and answers, would quickly get "off-track", thus making the teleprompter useless. Ahmadinejad would roll over this neophyte and leave him looking like a deer in the headlights.
Mark in Kansas

 

16 The thing I find most appallingly frightening about JFnK is his profound vapidity. Then again, that can be said for most of the current House and Senate leadership, I suppose.

17 "We sure as hell can't have it here, but goddamnit, we have no business telling oil-rich Iran they can't make them some nuclear power plants or weapons or whatever the hell they want to do"

I can have a policy of no smoking inside my home because I think it is harmful, but I don't have a right to tell others they can't smoke in theirs. Oh, wait, republicans like Bloomberg are doing just that.

The fact is, Iran may very well eventually convert their nuclear energy program to a weapons program. If we don't like it, I guess we have the option of destroying them militarily. But where does the naive expectation that every country will just bow to US's wishes come from? Iran prob doesn't like the fact that US has nukes (and US has already used nukes against a nation), do they have the right to demand that we eliminate our nuclear weapons as well?

I guess only America can tell other countries which weapons they may or maynot have. After all, we're the good guys, right?

18 Why the f aren't we telling these people to be sinking their oil money into wind and solar power?

Could it be because all this green energy crap isn't about saving the planet?

19 Voting against that pompous twat and Silky in 2004 was an extremely satisfying experience.  Too bad the Massholes are too fucking stupid to do likewise.

20 Ya know, it's a defining characteristic of liberals that they must take a contrary position to conservatives, no matter how nonsensical or internally contradictory the position.

That's why you had liberals preening about Bush's overspending, and from the conservative side you didn't get defensiveness, you got "yeah, I wish he would quit spending so much."

Now this absolute disaster of a shitbag spends 10 times more than Bush, and for liberals. . . absolutely no cognitive dissonance. "Give him a fair chance."

On the conservative side, it's still a bad idea because it violates basic economic common sense. But since conservatives have staked out that side of the argument, liberals must automatically take the contrary position.

Fucking douchebags. Every last one of them pisses sitting down.

21 PS you moron, take a history class when you get to high school.

22 palin steele takes the side of another hack Democrat? I'm shocked! Shocked I say.

You know ps, I don't think moderate non-partisan means what you think it means.

23 Who knows, Hitler may eventually use his legions of brown shirts to round up the Jews.

24 For fuck's sake, painful stool, would you fucking learn at least something before you post your insipid pablum?

Go look up the nuclear non-proliferation treaty, shit-for-brains.

25 I guess only America can tell other countries which weapons they may or maynot have.

I'm OK with that, although if the Chinese want to tell the NOrks no, that's OK too.

26 Speaking of douchebags...

Bloomberg is an independent, asshole. He WAS a Republican, just like he WAS a Democrat before that.

I guess only America can tell other countries which weapons they may or maynot have. After all, we're the good guys, right?

You've hit the nail on the head, but you're too stupid to know why. America is still the sole hyperpower on this planet. Somebody is going to be, because human nature abhors a power vacuum.

Who do you want to see fill it? China? Russia? Because those are the two next biggest contenders.

Here's an idea - shut the fuck up.

27 Feed da trolls, toppence a troll, toppence, toppence, a troll, a troll...

28 "You know ps, I don't think moderate non-partisan means what you think it means." -DrewM

Oh, I know perfectly well what non-partisan means. It means not reflexively attacking a politician for the inanest reasons simply because they're from a different political philosophy.

I mean, conservatives, at least the ones who populate the blogosphere, thinks Obama can do no right. Even when he does policies that go against his liberal supporters, conservatives can't stomach giving him credit...he's always just a craven, evil socialist politician. Basically, conservatives are doing exactly what they hated the far left for (bush derangement syndrome...where nothing bush did was ever good).

I am non-partisan, not in that I hue politically equally to liberals and conservatives...but moreso in that I don't have blind devotion or hatred...I'll give credit to conservatives (giuliani's cleaning up of NYC, bush's strong defense policy) where due and bash liberals on issues that I disagree with (ie torture, immigration).

I am what I preach, I am a moderate, rational, non-partisan. And I hope I can convert the extremists on the blogosphere.

29 So, all the talk about Iran destroying the little satan (Israel) and the great satan (USA) doesn't make an impression on our trolls or the senator who accused US troops of make-believe war crimes to make himself look good?  Good to know.  A country that sponsors terrorism, openly talks of genocide, trains terrorists in Iraq and supplies them with weapons to kill US troops should be allowed to have nuclear weapons?  Only a moral idiot would think this. 

30

They claimed years ago to have 3000 centrifuges.  Do the math and you know that's the minimum needed for militaristic applications of uranium.  Yet the left would rather claim willful ignorance to this fact. 

Canada's nuclear program developed the CANDU program because, starting from scratch, it made more economic sense in that it originally used natural uranium.  They didn't have the infrastructure needed to enrich.  No enrichment required with CANDU.  I'm not advocating that particular design.  I'm just saying that options are available that don't involve enrichment.

If Iran was serious about peaceful nuclear power then they would have chosen  a path that was more open and aboveboard.  It's obvious to everyone but the left as to what Irans intentions are.  I hope Israel will do what it needs to do, Democrats be damned.

31 "Fucking douchebags. Every last one of them pisses sitting down. "

As to that, so do I.  My doctor told me not to lift anything heavy.

32 "Here's an idea - shut the fuck up." empire of jeff

I don't understand why people enjoy an echo chamber so much.

33

I am what I preach, I am a moderate, rational, non-partisan. And I hope I can convert the extremists on the blogosphere.

Nope. Now go die in a fire.

34 re #4 by someone:

I thought it was gonna be about McCain, too.  Wait, wasn't McCain gonna consider being Kerry's VP?  It's like they're joined at the hip.

35 Ah, p(m)s is back!  Let me see if I can fit this scenario into comic book format... ah yes!

I remember in Captain America #666 where Captain America gave some of the superhuman serum and a copy of his shield to Red Skull so that the ensuing fight would be fair.  Of course, that damn Punisher had to come in and ruin all of the moral credibility that Captain America had built up by building an alliance of Night Elves, Snorks, and Smurfs to land on the beaches at Normandy. 

36 Whodafuck is this guy? Moderate, rational, nonpartisan? Where does he plug in pathological liar?

37 Imagine: one small state containing Kennedy, Kerry and Barney Frank. UNBELIEVABLE.

38 BotP,

Iran has historically referred to the Soviet Union as the "Lesser Satan". Israel has usually been referred to as "The Zionist Entity", if it is addressed at all.

39 Any sentence that contains the words "Republicans like Bloomberg" is immediately placed into the Idiot's Hall of Fame.

Yeah, there isn't a law against anybody who wants to do so claiming to be a Republican. So Bloomberg changed his official designation. But the man is a lifelong Democrat who changed his affiliation because of Giuliani's popularity as Mayor of NYC.

Bloomberg is a nanny-state progressive intent on using the coercive power of the state for his own designs.

WW Captain America D?

40 Questioning the openly stated motivations (nuclear weapons) of totalitarian regimes is "bombastic diplomacy".

They've never stated, or even hinted, that they want nuclear weapons, nor is Iran a "totalitarian regime" by any reasonable standard.  They are a republic, a constitutional democracy with a president who was legitimately elected by verifiable paper ballots in a fairly contested election, unlike America and other nations.  Their press is actually quite good, better than America's -  go to Irna and see for yourself if you don't believe me.  No Maureen Dowds there.

Iran is a sovereign nation and has a right to nuclear power, period.  North Korea, by the way, is not a signatory to any nuclear treaty and they are free to pursue a nuclear weapons program if they wish.  I for one have no problem whatsoever with the Iranians getting nuclear weapons, but then again I don't live in a country which has overthrown democratically elected Iranian leaders.

Protip:  if you want to make sense of this world kids remember:  everything is backwards.  If someone tells you Iran is a totalitarian regime that has openly stated it wants nuclear weapons, you can take it to the bank that Iran is really a democracy that hasn't ever declared they are pursuing a nuclear program.  Works every time.

41 Posted by: palin steele at June 10, 2009 10:45 PM (VDj74)

You're starting to develop a real Obama complex there kiddo.

I hate to break it to you but you are a cult of one.

Now go bother the people at Hot Air and leave us alone.

42 everything is backwards.

Certainly when you analyze anything.

43 Did anyone notice that the soldier who was killed the other day was scheduled to be deployed that very day to Korea?

44 "Here's an idea - shut the fuck up." empire of jeff

I don't understand why people enjoy an echo chamber so much.

It's only enjoyable when the voices in the echo chamber are pleasing to the ear. When some whiny little know-nothing, short-dick, attention-starved cockbite like yourself starts braying uninformed and naive inanities in the chamber, it is displeasing.

So, shut the fuck up. If the only way you can stop yourself is to toss yourself in front of a speeding bus... well, I'm willing for you to pay that price.

45 I've never seen someone so clueless about their own ignorance as palin steele. Either that or it has no ability to be embarassed.

46 Someone once told the nation that he was only going to raise taxes on the rich.  So I'm guessing that means everybody but the rich will soon be taking it in the shorts.

47
"Now go bother the people at Hot Air and leave us alone." - DrewM

lol, jebus, how old are you guys? You guys sound so immature: "don't play in our sandbox, you have cooties"

ugh

anyways, Im gonna do something productive. later morons.

48

They've never stated, or even hinted, that they want nuclear weapons, nor is Iran a "totalitarian regime" by any reasonable standard. They are a republic, a constitutional democracy with a president who was legitimately elected by verifiable paper ballots in a fairly contested election

Ah, just like all the Communist dictatorships during the Cold War.

49 Not satisfied with race baiting, jackass Adriana Lima decides to wade into big boy territory and promptly beclowns itself.

Iran is a republic? Yeah, just because a country puts that in its name doesn't make it true. I give you but two examples...German Democratic Republic and the Democratic People's Republic of Korea.

Here's your hint on Iran....no true republic has an unelected Supreme Leader with extraordinary and unchecked executive powers.

Personally Adriana, I think you are a parody troll. No one really agrees with me. They say no one could be so pitch perfect and keep it up so long. But me? I believe in you. Don't let me down...keep up the act.

50

No. 40:

Iran is swimming in oil and natural gas.  They don't friggin need nuclear power, never have.  They have stated many times they want to wipe Israel off the map, that they plan to bring down the great satan (us) and openly support terrrorists from Baghdad to Gaza.  They are ruled by a religious council that decides who gets to run for president and what power he has.

North Korea has repeatedly violated agreements not to pursue nuclear weaons or ballistic missiles.  They have repeatedly threatened Japan, S. Korea and the US.  Only a fool would not take their threarts seriously.

No. 38:

My bad.  Though, to be fair it is hard to keep up with the hate terms at times.

51 Posted by: palin steele at June 10, 2009 11:02 PM (VDj74)

And yet it worked.

Be nice ps or I'll tell everyone at HA you think you can perform fellatio on a woman. BTW...they really don't like people who say anything bad about Palin (and yes accusing Hannity of tossing her soft balls will earn you their wrath).

52 anyways, Im gonna do something productive

I doubt you have the capability.

53 I don't understand why people enjoy an echo chamber so much.

I'll bet that your favorite echo chamber is when you sit in your closet and dictate your "Captain America/Punisher" anecdote to yourself so that you can tell it to others with a straight face. 

anyways, Im gonna do something productive. later morons.

Damn it, p(m)s is going to be back soon.  And he/she/it is the bearer of something worse than cooties - p(m)s has a severe case of the stupids.  I can feel my brain cells dying when he/she/it posts moral equivalence nonsense and tries to claim, unconvincingly, that he/she/it is "non-partisan".

54 #40

A dictatorship or the like has no rights.

55 Anyone who claims they are "non-partisan" is a sheep waiting to be led to slaughter.

56 I wish it could be explained just why the American people don't have a "... right to peaceful nuclear power and to enrichment in that purpose.”

57 For the record, there are few people more stupid than p(m)s, but one of these confirmed people is Contessa Brewer.  I also think that she's a dirty, dirty slut and 'ho-bag.

58

Adriana, why did Ahmedinejad demand an apology using our own intel observation that they had ceased weapons development in 2003?

Secret nuke sites.

Is he too clever by half?

 

 

Like you?

59

Congratulations, stalin pale, a Canadian neo-Nazi is defending you. Someone's even coined a phrase about you assholes. Enjoy.

60

John FFFFF Kerry.....reporting for dooty.....wants to be Bama's shoe-shine
boy now that his own purple hearts have suffered cardiac arrest. What an
irrelevant patrician twit. Imagine this gawky twit as Prez.....It could've
happened, but for Ohio. Imagine Silky Edwards as Prez. You just have to
realize that the Dems suffer from an embarrassment of riches...or so I've
been told at one time or another on MSNBC et al. Queen Hillary looks
like a poorly dressed frump these days, waddling around in pantsuits that
fit like potato sacks. But they have managed to win the lottery with
the "Man Child in the Promised Land" and so, the bastards have won
it all in the end.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

61 Lima has to be a parody troll.

62

PS,

Tell your mom that yes, I found her panties on the floor of my truck. I will return them AND her crack pipe the next time we hook up.

63 Dammit, DrewM. beat me to the punch about how no country that has a "Supreme Leader" can be a republic.

Although you did leave out People's REPUBLIC of China.

A minor quibble, though. I mean, after all, the important thing is that Iran wants to exterminate the Jews, eh Lima?

64 Lurch would be a blessing compared to Obama

65 Poor PS.  He sounds like a 13 year old arguing with his parents -- old enough to know the big words, but to young to know what they mean.  Let's be kind to him.  We all went through a period in our lives when we thought the world ran on rainbows and unicorn farts.

66 Delicious, considering that Kerry is likely opposed with adamantine resolve to developing nuclear power... In our own nation.

67 Kerry is an idiot. Iran does not have the right to enrich uranium. I'd say the Iranian people are largely a good people, but they're not the ones in charge. They're currently under the thumb of a brutal regime that has vowed to destroy Israel multiple times and funds terrorists like Hezbollah. What is it that Kerry and his pinhead buddies don't get about this? How dumb do you have to be to not see the obvious? If Iran goes nuclear, they'll go after Israel and a lot of innocent people will die. And Israel will respond in kind and while some in Iran that deserve it will die, most that don't deserve it will die, too. "How can such horrors be prevented," you ask? Simple (though apparently not simple enough for those like Kerry to get) - DON'T LET IRAN GO NUCLEAR!

68 "But where does the naive expectation that every country will just bow to US's wishes come from?"

Being rational, you will recognize that ultimately the rule of law and the "social contract" can only exist in a structure held together by those with the strength to do so.  In dealing with nations, rational people know that treaties, compacts, and international organizations mean absolutely nothing unless aggressors know they will meet irresistible force should they threaten the peace or abrogate those agreements.

When aggressors see a lack of will to enforce the rule of law and international agreements, they jump to take advantage of the situation.  History has taught this lesson time and again to those who pay attention.  Rational people know it is foolish to allow the wolf free reign among the sheep.

As to the US's wishes: The only wish we have regarding states like North Korea, Iran, and other aggressive bodies and groups, is to be able to exist in a world where aggressors cannot threaten our allies or our citizens.  Rational people know that when the likes of Ahmadinejad, Castro, Jong Il, the Taliban, and similar foes stop their aggression, peace will reign instantly, with the added bonus that they get to keep their lands and possessions. The rational know that, should any of these aggressors somehow defeat the US, the US--and Israel, would cease to exist.

It is not the US that threatens the peace of the world, and the rational know this.  The rational people of Europe already fear the lack of US resolve in keeping the peace, and are acting on that fear by electing "conservative" governments.

Yet the irrational continue to call us imperialists.  This despite the proof that the US has not taken land from any country in living memory, and that the US has returned wartime occupied land to its citizens.  The irrational deem us aggressors for demanding that those who threaten us must stand down.  The irrational claim we have caused the hatred in the Middle East towards the US and Israel, despite decades of proof otherwise.

Leftists (and unfortunately too many libertarians and paleocons) think going forth to destroy the power of ideologies and rogue states which threaten our peace and that of our allies is somehow wrong.  This notion is an example of emotional thinking, and is arrogant beyond belief. Rational people know that the old concept of "Fortress America" was dangerously naive before the twentieth century. Belief in that sort of isolationism verges on suicidal in the twenty-first.

I suggest a more important point to ponder than your question about bowing to the US's wishes is this: why would any rational country bow to the wishes of aggressor nations?

69

I don't understand why people enjoy an echo chamber so much.

This is absolutely hilarious coming from an LGF troll.

70 moderate, nonpartisans; more commonly known as spineless morons.

71 I give you but two examples...German Democratic Republic and the Democratic People's Republic of Korea.

Once upon a time some republics were bogus; therefore, Iran is not a republic?  That's your fucking argument?

Here's your hint on Iran....no true republic has an unelected Supreme Leader with extraordinary and unchecked executive powers.

I'm a bit of an expert on Iran's constitution, son, and you just stepped in a bear trap. 

The Supreme leader is elected by the Assembly of Experts, which itself is elected by the people.  That's perfectly democratic and legitimate, perhaps more legitimate than the electoral college which repeatedly elects American presidents who receive fewer votes than their opponents. 

The Assembly elects, supervises, and dismisses the Supreme Leader.  He is fairly powerful as far as heads of states go but far from having unchecked executive powers he is restrained in theory and in practice by Iran's constitution (that you seem wholly unaware of) and a council that can dismiss him (much like Mussolini's fascist council could and did dismiss him).  In any case Khameini's record since 1989 cannot reasonably be considered totalitarian, and Iran has run relatively clean elections for some time now.  They're a democracy and a republic, period. 

I'm not terribly fond of the Iranians, but I am fond of the truth and this compels me to correct your inaccuracies.

I can't wait for the next North Korea thread, boy are you kids in for a treat.  Been doing some reading; pretty much everything you've heard about North Korea is BS.

72 Get over it Kerry. You lost to a better man.

73 Moderate: Sit on the fence, wet your finger and wag it in the air to see which way the wind's blowing that day.

74 "moderate, nonpartisans; more commonly known as spineless morons."

It's the term "moderate" that's the problem.  Those who have not bothered to study philosophy, especially political philosophy, often mask their ignorance by claiming to live in some mythical balance between the left and the right.

This would be fine if the notion of "left" and "right" had any true meaning.  Seeking comfort between two meaningless positions by occupying an even more meaningless position opens the moderate's mind to the charming appeal of the charismatic; to the soothing appeal of populists who direct their thoughts to groups on which blame may be set.  It is the moderates who make totalitarianism possible.

75 pretty much everything you've heard about North Korea is BS.

And you will be dead wrong, as usual. Give it a rest.

76

The Supreme leader is elected by the Assembly of Experts, which itself is elected by the people.  That's perfectly democratic and legitimate

You forget to mention that the government selects the candidates that run for election. That is neither democratic nor legitimate.

77

Been doing some reading; pretty much everything you've heard about North Korea is BS.
Then move there. I'm sure a brilliant guy like you could find some work there. But you might want to bring an LED flashlight with you--you'll need it after dark, if you've ever used Google Earth to checkout NK at night.

I replied in jest "Hi, I'm Adriana Lima [i.e. a Brazilian model], nice to meet you.", and I kind of stuck with the name, mostly for its tilt-inducing qualities. 

That's quite the rationalization for wearing women's underwear along with your sockpuppet.

78 Dinnerjacket and his "12th Imam" theory gives me great hope that Iran is a peaceful, rational nation. Abolhassan Bani-Sadr is an unsung hero in the annals of world peace. Ignore that US Embassy takeover in 1979, it was so long ago, and hey, who are we to have an embassy anyway? They have honest elections, nobody gets whipped by the secret police if they dare to support an opposition candidate or show some leg in public. They don't pull walls down on top of gay people either, hell, dinnerjacket himself said that Iran has no gays.And don't get me started on North Korea, the storeis about Kim Il Jon are overblown. So he doesn't like streetlights and he may kidnao a few people from China or Japan, who are we to judge?


 I'm an expert on both Iran and North Korea, and even Nepal if you ask nicely.

79 It would appear that what we have here with this character Adriana Lima, is a pseudo-sociopath with a perverse admiration for genocidal megalomaniacs.

80 I hear that the tree bark soup in NK is quite tasty.

81

12 I guess in John Kerry's mind...

Well, I was with you up 'til that point.

82 I suppose it was too good a story that Kim has the world's largest porn collection.  Or that time the crazy motherfucker had his troops seize trains shipping food from China.  Or how he's threatened to start tossing nukes around if he doesn't get his woobie.  That must all be Karl Rove's mind control at work.

Tell me Lima, is there a particular brand of tinfoil I can trust to make my protection cap, or do I have to refine it myself?

83 The Supreme leader is elected by the Assembly of Experts, which itself is elected by the people.  That's perfectly democratic and legitimate, perhaps more legitimate than the electoral college which repeatedly elects American presidents who receive fewer votes than their opponents.
Posted by: Adriana Lima at June 10, 2009 11:57 PM (W20eu)

Your are dumber than I thought and quite frankly I thought you were pretty fucking dumb to start with.

The Assembly of Experts is only open to clerics and all candidates are pre-vetted by the Guardian Council whose members are not elected by the people. This is your idea of a Republic?

You should also check out the Iranian constitution you claim to be an expert on. Specifically Chapter 1, Article 2,

the One God (as stated in the phrase "There is no god except Allah"), His exclusive sovereignty and the right to legislate, and the necessity of submission to His commands; How exactly is it a 'republic' if God has 'exclusive sovereignty'?

The only thing you are an expert is sucking your own cock.

84

John Kerry is an idiot.

Any questions?

85 Iran's Constitution.

(Chris Farley mode)Well, laa dee frikkin, daa(/Chris Farley mode)

The USSR had a Constitution, too.  All kinds of boneheads like to point to it to show how wonderful the communist regime was working "for the people."  In Iran it's The Mullas.  The Constitution means what they want it to mean, and nothing more.  So arguing about it is like arguing about points of the departed USSR constitution.

DrewM is free-steppin' on clear turf.  You however, are pushing a rope.

86 This Adriana Lima is not a wise latina.

87 Posted by: Adriana Lima at June 10, 2009 11:57 PM (W20eu)

BTW- you really need to stay in your lane. You've got the racist prick thing down to a T. It's masterful, a gift. But when you claim to be something of an expert on Iran and that you're reading up on N. Korea, well, you are just spreading yourself thin. Don't become another palin steele and think you can pontificate on anything. Stick to what works for God's sake.

Better to be the world's best racist parody troll, than  a mediocre Troll of All Trades.

I say this out of concern because I care.

88 I like the way Adriana and ps are converging here.

Classic Liberal fascism.

Why don't you tell us how evil the Jews are for not allowing Obambi to sell them to the knackers, palin steele?

And Adriana, could you tell us all about Iran and NK's right to chant "Death to America" while building nukes and ICBMs, and how taking them at their word is so wrong?

89 I'm a bit of an expert on Iran's constitution, son, and you just stepped in a bear trap.

So, you read Wikipedia?

90 I'm sure North Korea has a fine Constitution as well ... as did the Soviet Union and the Wiemar Republic.

91 Drew's pimp hand is strong tonight.

92

Leftists (and unfortunately too many libertarians and paleocons) think going forth to destroy the power of ideologies and rogue states which threaten our peace and that of our allies is somehow wrong.

To be fair, at least some libertarians are only opposed to us giving free military support to Europe when they're perfectly able to get up off their fat socialized asses and do it themselves. Others are annoyed at our military intervention in places where we have no well-defined national interest (Kosovo and Haiti).

93 "In any case Khameini's record since 1989 cannot reasonably be considered totalitarian, and Iran has run relatively clean elections for some time now.  They're a democracy and a republic, period. "

Did anyone else feel themselves physically pulled toward their monitor by the sucking vortex of this singularity of stupidity?

Qwinn

94 anyways, Im gonna do something productive. later morons.

Posted by: palin steele at June 10, 2009 11:02 PM

By all means. Finishing your homework means you won't have to repeat the 7th grade

95 Players are always fighting in Runescape. It’s one of the reasons the game is so popular, being able to go to another world, attack monsters, and take their treasure . It’s adventure. It’s excitement. It’s fun. Especially through outstanding account.
And one of the best parts about combat (melee combat) is that it is by far the cheapest of all three combat methods.Ranging costs buy runescape gold because it requires the use of arrows. Magic costs even more because it requires lots and lots of runes. But melee combat is relatively cheap. The only and runescape money for sale you must spend is on your weapons and armor. Once you buy those things, you don’t have to keep buying more and more stuff to keep fighting. As you gain levels in Runescape, you will be able to buy better and better equipment. The better you get, the better the weapons and armor you can use, which makes you better able to keep your buy runescape accounts leveling-up.
And while we are getting the basics out of the way, let’s take a second to learn about the world of Runescape. Or rather, the worlds.

96 I read The Economist editorial praising Obama and claiming that Bush just used threats against Iran, etc.

The facts are:

We supported the EU-3 talks with Iran over the nuclear issue, including heavy hints that if there was success we would join in. That's a carrot, friend. The Iranians blew off the Europeans of course, even when they offered free reactors and free fuel.

Condi Rice also said that talks with Iran could be possible if they temporarily stopped their nuke production...that was a no-go for Iran, which is rather curious if they are truly peaceful.

The Bush administration threatened the Iranian regime, true, but they also worked with Libya to denuclearize that country and normalize relations, so Iran could see that it was possible to negotiate in good faith with Bush.

They chose not to. Their nuclear program also was started long ago, against the threat of Saddam Huessein, who we helpfully removed for them. Another chance for an olive branch, no? Not to menton the Taliban who hated the Iranians and killed their diplomats.

Now, personally, I can see why they want nukes, after their experience of getting gassed and bombed by Saddam, and maybe they should make a decision about where they want to go - be a nuclear power that recognizes Israel and does not fund terror groups or keep their current policies.

You know, its not just the USA who can make concessions and offer and open hand and not a clenched fist. But the DemSM forget this.

How about an apology for holding our diplomats hostage? That would be a very cheap start for them.

97 Also, the Economist editorial was a joke, claiming that the Islamic world thought Bush was against them - the op-ed pretty much agreed with this...

WTF? How old is the editor there? 26?

In 1967 - the Egyptians and Syrians claimed that the US and UK attacked their airfields. The Big Lie. (At the time France was actually the biggest supplier to Israel, and the US not so much.)

Iran has called us the Great Satan since 1979.

Bin Laden attacked us during Clinton.

Pakistan has probably been anti-American since 1776.

I think it could be easily argued that the Arabs and the Islamic world need to do some introspective thinking of their own.

98 Hitler never said he wanted to make war or to do bad things to the Joooos.  I've been reading up, and I know the troof.  You fools.

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101 Palin Steel & other idiots.

1. Iran is a signatory to the Non-Proliferation Treaty. This means it has agreed not to pursue nuclear weapons and open all of its facilities to inspectors...guess what? They are in violation, baby.

2. North Korea was also a signatory, though they have left the treaty. They also signed other agreements with the US and others regarding their nuclear programs - they have broken these agreements in the past.

3. Israel is not a signatory to the Non-Proliferation Treaty, and thus never agreed not to have nukes. This is why its "fair" for them to have nukes and the Iranians not to get them - because Iran agreed to not have nukes while the Israelis did not.

4. "But, but, but..." Stop blubbering and listen.

5. Syria is not a signatory to the treaty regarding chemical weapons. Syria has chemical weapons. No one complains about this, because, again, they never agreed not to make them.

6. Regardless of any sense of fairness or your hope for international law, states are sovereign and may decide to act in their own defence, e.g. Israel bombed Syria's Nork built nuke plant.

7. Bonus fact: The USA did not give Israel nukes, and we pretty much opposed them having them. The French gave them nukes. If you are angry about Israeli nukes, talk to Paris.

102 Guess who sells the Syrians their chemical precursors?

"Syria's principle suppliers of CBW production technology were reported to be large chemical brokerage houses in Holland, Switzerland, France, Austria and Germany."
http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/world/syria/cw.htm

Nice.

So, even if Iran agreed to give up their nukes in exchange for Israeli nukes, Israel would never agree to this due to Syrian chemical weapons.

This is why such "linkages" between palestinean peace and other regional issues is dumb.

103

I can't believe this douchebag came within a cat's whisker of becoming President of the United States.

Considering the douchebag that actually got elected, we're not much better off.

104 > Considering the douchebag that actually got elected, we're not much better off.

Spoken like a true douchebag.

105 > So of course the enrichment process, which can produce fuel for electricity (or mass death) will only be used for goodness.

Actually, this is an error. The processes for enriching uranium for power production are substantially different from doing so for bomb-making. The degree of enrichment is more than an order of magnitude greater. Power uranium uses only about 3% U-235, while a fission weapon uses more on the order of 80%

There is no need to have the ability to produce the latter if one is actually only interested in the former.

Further, other nations have volunteered to produce such materials for Iran to use. Given the consternation over the issue, it's clearly in Iran's PR interests to buy the materials it needs, preprocessed.

That they do not do so makes it clear that they aren't interested in nuclear power, except the variety exercise over other nations.
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106

State sponsors of terrorism are just friends you gaven't met yet.

107 Only one word for the trolss:  Pwned.  Ouch.

108 @104 -  I think SFC MAC meant Obama.

109 Is Kerry still around. I guess the Ketchup lady is still keeping him and paying his bills . . . she must find him useful for something although I can't imagine what.

110 Drew@87 Better to be the world's best racist parody troll, than a mediocre Troll of All Trades.

Brilliant!

111

Easy on John Kerry. He served this nation in the military, after all.

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Honorably, it turns out.

112 Spam at 95 and 98?

113 It seems to take a Leftist to promote nuclear proliferation as restraint. The more the merrier; or is it, misery loves company?

114

correction: 99.

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115

I remember the debate against Bush - which Kerry won, on style - and one of the issues that came up was, what was the biggest threat we as a nation face. Bush said terrorism; Kerry said nuclear proliferation.

This little speech here proves that Kerry doesn't, in practice, care about nuclear proliferation.

I took the original debate as code that Kerry takes a "gun-control" stance toward nefarious activity. He's not too concerned about the actual crime; rather, he wants to use the existence of certain crimes to justify increased powers over us here at home, and to keep us frightened enough to continue voting Democrat.

116

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Easy on John Kerry. He served this nation in the military, after all.

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Honorably, it turns out.

By declaring before congress that the military is full of a bunch of murdering thugs?  Sorry but military service is not a free pass from harsh criticism, especially knowing more about Kerry's military carreer.  He attempted to get a deferrment and failed.  So he joins the Navy, in a position that was not being used in Vietnam at the time.  When that changed he was very much against using them in Vietnam.  And then you add in the whole Congressional testimony.

117 You know, I half thought this was going to be about McCain.

Heh, same here. No one epitomizes irrelevance quite like Johnny Mac.

This pisses me off no end...especially after the news about Obama defunding Yucca Mountain and basically choking off further growth in the nuclear industry. So now the Iranians have a "right" to  nuclear power - the one form of so-called "clean energy" that is actually feasible right now - and we don't?

Just keep on tilting at those silly windmills, Obama and Dems. I pray that the 52 percenters will get wise to you before our electric bills go up 200%...but I'm not optimistic.

118 They're a democracy and a republic, period.

As long as you're OK with voting only for candidates approved by the Guardian council.

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120  kerry? mr. kerry, you say?

 could it be the same mr. kerry that served in vietnam?

 you know kerry served in vietnam, right?

121 #111
Honorably?
You'd better look at his discharge papers (at least the one he showed).  It says in part "...on review by a board of officers....".   He originally got a dishonorable discharge which was changed when Jimmy started issuing pardons.  Anyone who has an 'honorable' discharge doesn't have any wording about any review by any board of officers.  Kerry continues stonewalling the release of ALL of his military records because it will show he got pardoned.

122 i can only hope that when the bombs fall he gets incinerated first

123

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But don't fill up, Soap MacTavish, there's grass for dessert.

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I believe Kerry was also the only USN officer to leave theatre due to wounds (his three scratches) who hadn't received a debilitating injury.

125 Kerry is, was and always will be a flaming douchebag.

126 The fact is, Iran may very well eventually convert their nuclear energy program to a weapons program. If we don't like it, I guess we have the option of destroying them militarily.

Our underdeveloped troll is rather casual about the death of millions.

127

Isn't Kerry the war hero who was wounded three times but never spent a day in hospital?

 

Didn't one of these war wounds involve a martini olive that hit him in the eye?  He claimed this was a VC booby trap.

128

Aristocrat, wind-surfing the briny,  "reporting" for duty at the convention,

lost ONLY thanks to some folks in Ohio. Bush wins, only to piss it away.

...........to what we have now.  If Kerry had won, Pubs could have retaken

in 2008.  Now we're stuck with Superfly....TNT...(.half )Black and Beautiful!

OhBama forever..................

129 When did we stop hitting idiots in the face with shovels, and why?

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I am always wondering who is the product of the people's basket weaving collective, Pallin Steele who ignorance is monumental, or Adrianna Lima whose mental capabilities lie somewhat south of Obama's 18 IQ level?

 

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