New Technological Developments, as predicted by Michael Crichton.

As featured at Instapundit. Rifles with "smart" bullets that can chase down their targets and blow them up. Blows 'em up REAL GOOD. Allegedly*.

When contacted about this story, Gene Simmons replied "Not only did I nail 10,000 women during my career, but I was out there playing with cutting edge technology 25 years before the rest of those pointy-headed geeks even figured out how to make it work outside their wildest fantasies."

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A.) prove to be just more "magic beans", like cold fusion in a jar, interactive holographic technology & realistic sex robots.
B.) be extremely susceptible to environmental conditions and require that our soldiers sally forth on their missions from "clean rooms".
C.) be so expensive as to make it an impractical wonder-weapon that just barely outperforms a $1 per pop 173 grain full metal jacket 7.62x51 sniper round.
or
D.) become self-aware immediately after going on line and conspire to kill all humanity and take its place as the dominant life form on the planet.

I'll stick with dumb bullets and smart shooters, thankyouverymuch.)

Posted by: Russ from Winterset at 07:34 PM

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Posted by: Tee866 at June 08, 2009 07:41 PM (Vti3Z)

2 From what I understand this round wouldn't see very wide deployment. The idea is to be able to get those ultra long shots you just couldn't do with inert lead.

We're Americans, dammit, and we're not gonna let the Canucks keep the longest-confirmed-kill (1.51 miles) record. It's a matter of national urgency.

Posted by: Ace's liver at June 08, 2009 07:42 PM (LtIsn)

3 All we know for sure is: they aren't going to allow widespread civilian use. Ever.

Posted by: Al at June 08, 2009 07:43 PM (CyBUS)

4 Yeah, I'm with you on this one, bro. Nothing good can come of this.

Posted by: John Connor at June 08, 2009 07:43 PM (/MEFr)

5 Hmm, looking at it, I think It's a winner. Seems like it will be very expensive, but maybe not to much, I mean a magnet + a chip seems like a low price point to get out tough nut(s) in a hard place. Now, if this bullet was more like that one horror flix (The one where it drills out peoples heads? what was that called? Something witha P?) THEN id worry about it becoming self aware.

Posted by: sithson at June 08, 2009 07:44 PM (LNfBO)

6 Waaaaaitaminute. This isn't what I thought it was. The article is about the XM-25, which ain't no rifle at all. It's the new programmable-fuze grenade launcher. And the author doesn't seem to know the difference.

Posted by: Ace's liver at June 08, 2009 07:47 PM (LtIsn)

Those grenade launcher is the real deal. Ace posted on it a few years ago. Someone else did recently.

All you have to do is dial in the range.

Posted by: rdbrewer at June 08, 2009 07:49 PM (L++4M)

8 As seen on some Smart Mil-Blog last month.

http://ace.mu.nu/archives/287914.php

In fact, it was mentioned in that same Smart Mil-Blogs comments so far back the US wasn't even Socialist (2005)

http://ace.mu.nu/archives/3column-140522.php

(the 12:37 pm comment)

Posted by: Comrade Arthur at June 08, 2009 07:49 PM (8AplE)

THOSE ... IS

Yeah. Me and my pal Heinekin are having a sit down.

Posted by: rdbrewer at June 08, 2009 07:51 PM (L++4M)

Of course its old. Common, we don't come to Ace's blog to read new shit, do we?

Posted by: sithson at June 08, 2009 07:52 PM (LNfBO)

Not a bullet, but a ball maybe? Are you thinking "Phantasm", sithson?

OK, so you've got a magnet & a chip? What can they do? The magnet can (allegedly) measure the distance traveled by the bullet (not figuring in wind resistance & rifling wear in the barrel), and the chip can carry rudimentary programming. How do you deflect the path of the bullet? Fins? Jets? Fins will not allow quick turns at high speed, and jets will cause the bullet to destabilize as well as add a horrible amount of weight that will be damn hard to enigineer into the bullet & leave room for a significant amount of explosive payload.

By the time you add in all the bells & whistles on this baby, you've probably got a round about the size of a main gun round on an M1 Abrams tank. Instead of engineering a bullet that goes AROUND obstacles, why not just harden the projectile and get the bullet to go THROUGH the obstacle and into the goblin hiding on the other side?

Posted by: Russ from Winterset at June 08, 2009 07:53 PM (/MEFr)

12 I personally don't see what the problem is. I think it's a swell idea.

Posted by: Skynet at June 08, 2009 07:53 PM (MRPrb)

13 I remember reading a story by Vernor Vinge back in the early 80's that had guns with smart bullets. Each bullet had mini cameras built-in and could communicate with other bullets to choose choose targets while in flight. So an 8 round burst could result in 8 targets hit. Amazingly just 25 years later we getting awfully close to what he imagined.

Posted by: Mætenloch at June 08, 2009 07:55 PM (YRmyX)

14 #11 Russ. YES! thats the movie! My brain did a total fart on that horrible B movie, but damn that little ball remined me of this sorta. Now that would be some killer (no pun, well okay yes it was intended) milliltary tech.

Posted by: sithson at June 08, 2009 07:57 PM (LNfBO)

15 Oh, this is definitely a move in the right direction. Now, what you need to do is make "smart" nuclear warheads too.

Posted by: Colossus at June 08, 2009 07:58 PM (MRPrb)

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~ sigh ~

Tom Selleck was good in Runaway, too - even with the acid burn to part of his face which, miraculously did not affect his mustache.

Posted by: Bumperstickerist at June 08, 2009 07:58 PM (ruzrP)

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Posted by: WOPR at June 08, 2009 07:59 PM (MRPrb)

25mm is approximately 1.00 caliper or about a < 1 inch bullet.

That is certianly going to strain the ammunition factories already under pressure.

Posted by: NortonPete at June 08, 2009 08:03 PM (fVuwW)

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You know, I always liked the Terminator movies and thought their basic premise was pretty cool.

Then I realized that instead of sending Terminators back in time to hunt all over Los Angeles for Sarah and John Connor, all Skynet had to do was send back a nuke and detonate it right over Los Angeles to accomplish the same end in a fail-safe way.

I shall spend days in mourning.

Posted by: CoolCzech at June 08, 2009 08:06 PM (iafWn)

But by detonating said nuke over Southern California, wouldn't they also destroy the DARPA facility where Skynet itself was developed, altering the timeline and preventing Skynet from going on line in the first place? No, they needed to surgically target the Connors in order to protect the integrity of the timeline.

Jeebus, this time travel stuff makes my head hurt. Wheels within wheels within wheels within wheels.......and all that.

Posted by: Russ from Winterset at June 08, 2009 08:09 PM (/MEFr)

21 This looks like a last-chance PR screech to save what's left of a Future Soldier program that's been knocking around since mid-Clinton.

This, and the programmable high-speed grenade launcher, were the reason WJC sent his undersecretary of the army up the hill to testify before Congress that the US military no longer had need of riflemen, which became the excuse for doing away with the Civilian Marksmanship Program, crushing all surplus military rifles, and banning possession of military firearms. We managed to get most of that back.

For those who've never read a Popular Science cover story before, giant cargo-bearing Zeppelins are about to offer world luxury cruises, you'll soon do 120 MPH on electrically-embedded highways of the future while enjoying fruit juice from on-board chillers, and there is a national shortage of bandsaw-qualified meat cutters. Now about that water-burning carburetor...

Posted by: comatus at June 08, 2009 08:12 PM (XTm8J)

#2 you gotta pass the other 5 longest sniper shots on record also.

Gotta be Taliban targets.Just cause.lol.

Posted by: chicocano at June 08, 2009 08:12 PM (P2bg4)

23 So, Gene Simmons has nailed 10,000 women. I think I read the same figure for John Holmes. I guess somes got, somes dont.

Posted by: H.J. at June 08, 2009 08:13 PM (whmJX)

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You go naked. Something about the field generated by a living organism. Nothing dead will go.

Posted by: Kyle Reese at June 08, 2009 08:15 PM (LtIsn)

25 The author's clueless. It's a smart-grenade launcher that was spun off from the late, lamented XM-8 system. You can program the grenades to go off at a point in space that will cause it to explode down onto somebody behind cover, thus saving having to call for an airstrike. It's NOT a smart bullet.

Posted by: joncelli at June 08, 2009 08:17 PM (vPMF5)

26 My 120 year old Gewehre 88, which saw action at Beleau Wood in 1918, will still reach out and touch you.

Posted by: Dan F at June 08, 2009 08:21 PM (79OIm)

27 Well, to be accurate, both the XM-8 and the XM-25 were spun off from the OICW project, but the rest stands.

Posted by: joncelli at June 08, 2009 08:25 PM (vPMF5)

28 Dan F., be careful if you go to load that commission rifle. The definition of "8mm" changed after its design. It was built to handle smokeless powder, but the modern 8mm cartridge is a few ten-thousandths tighter in the chamber, producing significantly higher initial pressure. If you don't use antique-gauged cartridges, the rifle will explode in your face.

Other than that, yeah, a thousand-yard rifle, and the only slightly newer Mauser is even better, and still state-of-art today. "Three on a match."

Posted by: comatus at June 08, 2009 08:36 PM (XTm8J)

29 You go naked. Something about the field generated by a living organism. Nothing dead will go.
Posted by: Kyle Reese at June 08, 2009 08:15 PM (LtIsn)

What about the mechanical insides of a Terminator?

Posted by: CoolCzech at June 08, 2009 08:50 PM (iafWn)

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Posted by: H.J. at June 08, 2009 08:13 PM (whmJX)

Didn't Wilt Chamberlin do them too?

There's about 10,000 pretty shop-worn women out there, gentlemen...

Posted by: CoolCzech at June 08, 2009 08:51 PM (iafWn)

31 What about the mechanical insides of a Terminator?

Covered by living tissue, you 'tard. Dintchoo watch the movies?

Dammit, don't make me cockpunch you for ruining the premise of one of the bestest movies of all time.

Posted by: Additional Blond Agent at June 08, 2009 08:53 PM (SHKl9)

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Posted by: Russ from Winterset at June 08, 2009 08:09 PM (/MEFr)

OK, so go back a generation or two further, back when Connor's ancestors were quietly molesting sheep in Glacamora, Ireland.

Posted by: CoolCzech at June 08, 2009 08:54 PM (iafWn)

33 31 What about the mechanical insides of a Terminator?

Covered by living tissue, you 'tard. Dintchoo watch the movies?

So send back a Terminator with a small nuke where it's liver should be...

Posted by: CoolCzech at June 08, 2009 08:55 PM (iafWn)

34 Comatus said:

Dan F., be careful if you go to load that commission rifle. The definition of "8mm" changed after its design.

It has the Spitzer barrel and it accepts the .323" round. I'm sending it to a gunsmith for some more tweaks. I was just making the point that old shit still works well. I have a 98K, a shit load of pistols etc.

I like old bolt action rifles though.

Posted by: Dan F at June 08, 2009 08:58 PM (79OIm)

This us a low-velocity version of the 25 mm airburst munition for the Advanced Crew Served Weapon; the ACSW was canceled a couple of years ago. Same projectile, but with recoil that's tolerable in a small arm. No guidance of the projectile - has a laser rangefinder on the weapon and a "smart fuze" airburst device in the grenade that communicates with the rangefinder at the moment of firing.

Nice presentation on the grenade development, pdf format:

http://tinyurl.com/nvdy5j

Highlights:

Page 6: Image 1: Without the airburst system. Enemy soldiers relaxing in crater in impudent safety, remembering the time and fantasizing rudely about American women. A couple of the creeps have stepped up the rim of the crater to pop off a few rounds at our boys and yell "ha ha GI you die then I get college education in USA on your tax money ha ha fat ass GI" etc., pretty standard stuff.

Page 6, Image 2: With the airburst system. The rounds burst directly over the crater, making a hash of the rabble within.

Page 16: High-speed photographs of fragmentation pattern of a grenade. Must be about a thousand little bits of steel traveling out in a ghostly double-mushroom pattern.

Posted by: Wm T Sherman at June 08, 2009 09:00 PM (PB0gV)

36 "So send back a Terminator with a small nuke where it's liver should be..."

You spelled "Elephant" wrong. It could be a pretty good sized nuke then.

Posted by: Al at June 08, 2009 09:01 PM (CyBUS)

37 By amazing coincidence, GM is planning to name it's coming version of the Smart Car the Chevy (passenger) Terminator.

Posted by: CoolCzech at June 08, 2009 09:04 PM (iafWn)

38 @16 Cynthia Rhodes ... what an underrated 80s babe.

Cynthia Rhodes was all kinds o' HAWT. Then she went and married Richard Marx (the '80s pop singer guy), if I recall.

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Posted by: GarandFan at June 08, 2009 10:07 PM (C3okI)

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Posted by: The Sanity Inspector at June 08, 2009 10:09 PM (kEPDj)

Its a HIGHLY sexed up grenade launcher, with 25mm rounds that can be programmed to detonate at a range pre-determined by the gunner. The idea is small scale precision strike capability. The rounds are intended to cost no more than $25 once this thing goes into production. This way, you can take out a Jihadi hiding behind a window or on a roof without damaging too much around him and without using an expensive missile or bomb.

Don't think terminator, think "Judge Dredd" with his programmable gun.

Posted by: BattleofthePyramids at June 08, 2009 10:17 PM (ime8l)

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Meh. Think math and how much less explosive will be in a 25mm grenade than a 40mm grenade. If you don't place this thing right up the bad guy's squeekhole he ain't gonna die, especially if he's wearing body armor. Originally this thing was supposed to be 20mm and they added that extra 5mm in case you might want to kill something bigger'n cockroaches.

Posted by: Ace's liver at June 08, 2009 10:42 PM (LtIsn)

Sorry, but I dont think that metric Scandi rounds like the " 7.62x51 " and " sniper round " should ever be in a sentence so close together. They wish!

It is the .308 Winchester that will always be the superior one, shot.

Posted by: KoeTee at June 09, 2009 12:09 AM (Or5b2)

Yeah, um................well then.......OK

*wonders how to tell KoeTee that the .308 Winchester is just the civilian designation for the 7.62x51 NATO round*

Posted by: Russ from Winterset at June 09, 2009 07:19 AM (/MEFr)

I heard that, but its the Scandi / Metric designation that I was bitchn bout!

Posted by: KoeTee at June 09, 2009 08:59 AM (Or5b2)

They actually showed this gun on one of those weapon shows on Discovery a year or so ago (Future Weapons I think). Gun fires an exploding round, like a mini-RPG. Rifle has a laser range finder that gets a distance to the cover that the target is using, and this distance is used to determine the amount of time the round travels before exploding. Then just aim a little bit above the top of the cover (or through the window) and shoot.

The technology used for this isn't new at all. The only thing new is how small it is. This used to only exist with artillery rounds.

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