1 Serfdom.

2 Unless there's a line that says, 'Gluuuuuuuuuuurrrr....Chivas!', I don't think Ted Kennedy had much personal input.

3 Of all the things that scare me about this administration, nationalized healthcare frightens me the most. Let's hope that congress rejects much of these concepts laid out in the Kennedy proposal.

4 Maybe some smart blogger will find out how Sen. Kennedy's current illness would have been treated under this new bill.

5 Massive, massive moral hazard issues.

6 Why yes, yes I would like some diarrhea sauce on my shit sandwich.

7

Trust me, Ted Kenndy's present illness would have, one way or another, treatment by the finest doctors money can buy.

Now on the other hand, under govt. healthcare if YOU were to become stricken by what he has, in terms of prompt diagnosis, good treatment, comfortable hospitalization if needed...good luck, a likely nightmare.  

8 O/T:  "Sarah Palin in, then out, back in -and now again out of fundraising dinner"(click my name to get to the story)  Sorry drew, was looking for pics and a story of the Governor's receiving the award.  What I found were discussions about plagiarism and comments about her attorney but no discussion, not even on the hosting website of her at the dinner but then found a ton of links leading ultimately to politico and this article.  I mean I actually linked to Huff po, got to go wash my hands.

9 someone at June 08, 2009 12:15 PM (1id+V)

That's government for ya!

So the ideal situation you can be in, in 2010, is:

Owning a house you can't pay for, while being unemployed, eating Krispy Kreme donuts and smoking cigarettes and being drunk all the time, while sleeping with hookers, without using protection and doing smack with them afterwards.

You get the full line of federal benefits!

10

Coming soon from the minds that brought you the Department of Motor Vehicles.... Government Health Care!!  Yay!!!

11 #4 : well, let's see -- Specter was asked about how his cancer would be treated under a type of nationalized healthcare plan, and he claimed he welcomed it - or something to the effect that all Americans with cancer should be given treatment under a government plan. Don't ask me about specifcs on that. It's just something I recall from when the asshat switched himself over to the Dem party.

12

lorien1973 @ 9:    So it looks like the AoS lifestyle is the way of the future

13 "But many in the party establishment, mindful of her polarizing persona and the devastating caricatures that emerged last fall, would prefer she remain in Alaska and leave the party rebuilding to others who may appeal to the broad middle of the country"  

14

Maybe some smart blogger will find out how Sen. Kennedy's current illness would have been treated under this new bill.

 

National Health is only for the peasants. Elites like Teddy will still have private health care. Just like sacrifice is only for the peasants not for Barry living it up on our dollar.

15 "I am from the government. I am here to help you."

So once we have nationalized health care, where will the Canadians go for needed medical treatment?

16 Maybe some smart blogger will find out how Sen. Kennedy's current illness would have been treated under this new bill.

You don't need a smart blogger to do this. You know there are going to be escape hatches buried deep in the proposal so that the politically-connected will be able to bypass whatever system they set up for the rest of us and get the medical care they want. Hell, they already do that now with Social Security.

17 So once we have nationalized health care, where will the Canadians go for needed medical treatment?

Probably China, where they can get their fill of illegally harvested organs.

18 You-all better rush out to teh corner store.  I plan to corner teh market on Valu-Rite.

19

Black market health care is going to cost a TON.

Mugging people at gun point isn't gonna cut it.

I need to get elected to congress.

20

lorien1973 at June 08, 2009 12:21 PM (IhQuA)

I like the way your thinkin'. 

21 I am beginning to think Marx had it backwards.

22 So those of us that are already older than the "Logan's Run" clause, will we be grandfathered in or is there a Carousel in our future?

23 Translation: You know your 79-year-old dad with a heart arrhythmia? Not for long...

24 You people doubt the health-giving  power of Michelle's Magic Organic Victory Garden?

Shame on you.

25 The key is rationing. What is rationed? Who will do the rationing? Will you choose your own physician? The devil is in the details, laughing maniacally.

26 This morning on  Scrantons' WILK (drink) radio, a guy was "trilled" to see this shit coming, so he can get free hearing aids..... The very next caller pointed out that Hearing Aids are not covered for old people now, and likely never will be......Me, I plan on changing the gears for higher speed  on my FREE jazzy scooter, that I will charge overnight from my neighbors outside outlet.

27 Sotomayor broke her ankle in an airport (via drudge)

28 This fight has been going on since the early 1900's. From 1935 to 1965 the progressive Democrats introduced legislation to make this a reality every congressional session. Twinkie Police are on the horizon...

29

oh, it won't apply to Congress-they will have their own gold plated separate plan.  Arlen won't have to worry about waiting in line-the scummy liar won't even tell the truth about his own illnesses and how they would be treated.

30 Good golly that woman has got to go!  Snowe is an embarassment. 

31 and, remind me again, what Republican ideal Snowe represents?  is she one of those vaunted fiscal conservative/socials liberals, but for the lack of the former.

32 key Senate Republicans say they're unwilling to support one of Obama's pillars for health-care reform

Oh, well, just ONE of the pillars. Never mind the whole idea. Can't reject that. Can't be seen making a principled stand against giving government that much control over our lives.

Welcome to serfdom, everyone. Hope you enjoyed liberty!

33 BTW, my Indian friend said that Indian doctors will go back to India once our healthcare is fixed cause he claims then all the good healthcare will be in India.  so, according  to him, instead of going to the US for your elective surgery, you will now go to India.

34

What was that movie with Samuel L Jackson? The one where he pulled a gun to get his kids' healthcare/operation? I never saw it, only the trailers.

Is this what we will be reduced to?

35

Given all the success The Vapid One� is experiencing with his takeover of GM and Chrysler, I can't wait to see my local hospitals closed.

36

Which article of the Constitution guarantees health care, again?

"Congress and BHO, meet Constitution. Constitution, beware BHO and any Congress."

37

What was that movie with Samuel L Jackson? The one where he pulled a gun to get his kids' healthcare/operation? I never saw it, only the trailers.

Is this what we will be reduced to?

That doesn't really help if you need a nursing home.

38 Sotomayor broke her ankle in an airport (via drudge)

Was it her right ankle?  Because I've heard she only ever stands on the Left.

39

What was that movie with Samuel L Jackson? The one where he pulled a gun to get his kids' healthcare/operation? I never saw it, only the trailers.

Snakes in a Primary Caregiving Facility.

40 So once we have nationalized health care, where will the Canadians go for needed medical treatment?

I know a guy who is Canadian who had lived in the US for at least 15 years and had an American wife.  He took a job in Canada and relocated the family to Hamilton Ontario.  A few years after they were established in Canada (ie his entire family is under the government "free" health care), his wife had an appendicitis.  They went to the nearest hospital and they couldn't see her.  They went across town to another hospital that couldn't take her.  They then went to a third hospital and they refused to take her too. 

They finally decided to cross the border into Buffalo where the first hospital they came across saw her immediately and performed an appendectomy.  They paid a whole $1,300 on his credit card.  The doctor told them she would have died if they had waited any longer.  Because their search for a hospital that would take them not only included the driving time but a 2-3 hour wait at each hospital, they spent over 18 hours looking for a hospital while his wife was in excruciating pain.

I have an even better story about Canadian "free" health care but this one was related to the question that was asked.  Let me know if you want to hear it.

41 You know, I'm all for "big tent" and "do what you can in f-tarded states like we have in New England" and all that - but seriously, if Olympia Snowe can't even bring her ignorant ass to oppose this crap sandwich then what, precisely, is she doing continuing to call herself a Republican?

Could it be that, like Arlen is about to find out, she'd lose a Democrat primary?

42 Okay, this is seriously FUBAR. Mandatory coverage, taxes on employers if they don't provide coverage to be determined by Treasury and/or HHS, and formation of a Medical Advisory Council -- there's your rationing. This is Hillary Care on steroids.

43

What was that movie with Samuel L Jackson? The one where he pulled a gun to get his kids' healthcare/operation? I never saw it, only the trailers.

Is this what we will be reduced to?

That would probably be Denzel Washington's "John Q".

44

34: I believe you're thinking of "John Q" with Denzel Washington. Caught part of it on TV (enough to get the gist of things, not enough to care about them).

Per my own experience, I had a brush with cancer (surgery, no rad/chemo) almost two years ago, and I had no insurance worth speaking of (mini-medical plan that maxed out after two doctor's visits and a couple tests). I ended up with close to $50,000 in bills, some of which I'm still paying. I'm also still in follow-up, which means more bills. But I would rather lose my house and car and declare bankruptcy than do it again under this plan.

45 There are some things I want to hear addressed before any half-baked healthcare schemes get off the ground.  Namely, what is the value of a human life?  Does that value decrease as one gets older?

Free healtcare obviously does not mean there are no costs involved, and not even Obama will deny that.  So how much is a 30 year old worth to taxpayers?  A 60 year old?  Is Ted Kennedy worth more than my grandfather?  I'm talking dollar amounts here.

With today's medical technology, unlimited amonunts of money could be spent keeping an individual "alive," so which bureacrat is in charge of determining when the costs of treating an individual outweigh the benifits to society? 

These are questions that must be answered before this moves any further forward.

46 O/T to Muffy..

Good luck to the congressional Republicans getting someone to help them fund raise.  


Back on topic.  Not looking too pretty. 

http://foxyurl.com/5tR  (Senate, as it currently is)


http://foxyurl.com/5tT  (House, as it currently is)

47 ...so, according  to him, instead of going to the US for your elective surgery, you will now go to India...

So how the hell am I going to get to India when "non-essential" air travel for private individuals is carbon-taxed out of reach for anyone but the wealthy or outright banned for those not politically connected?

48 Okay, this might break Ace's formatting but Keith Hennessey has read the bill and come to the following conclusions:


The government would mandate not only that you must buy health insurance, but what health insurance counts as �qualifying.�

Health insurance premiums would rise as a result of the law, meaning lower wages.

A government-appointed board would determine what items and services are �essential benefits� that your qualifying plan must cover.

Bad, bad, f&*#ed up bill.

You would find a tremendous new disincentive to switch jobs, because your new health insurance may be subject to the new rules and would therefore be significantly more expensive.

Those who keep themselves healthy would be subsidizing premiums for those with risky or unhealthy behaviors.

Far more than half of all Americans would be eligible for subsidies, but we have not yet been told who would pay the bill.

The Secretaries of Treasury and HHS would have unlimited discretion to impose new taxes on individuals and employers who do not comply with the new mandates.

The Secretary of HHS could mandate that you provide him or her with �any such other information as [he/she] may prescribe.�

49 Rush had a guest on that said (pardon the pun) that rushing into a healthcare plan like this is incredibly stupid and would never be done in the corporate world. Basically, he said that limited trials need to be done to see how the system works, then it should be tweaked, etc. That made sense to me, which of course means that the libtards will not even consider it.

As a self employed person who pays her own health insurance, I am f*cking terrified of this. I may have to (sigh) marry someone for their Blue Cross. On the positive side, I cook.

50 OT. Has anybody else heard that the two reporters jailed by the Norks were probably abducted from the Chinese side of the border?

51 #49 On the positive side, I cook. - Hey doll, cooking is over-rated. Us moron's (at least this moron) is more interested in your eh-hem, attitude.

52 Since I think Zero if a damn fool, I am against everything he is for, and am confident of the wiser choice.

53

As a self employed person who pays her own health insurance, I am f*cking terrified of this. I may have to (sigh) marry someone for their Blue Cross. On the positive side, I cook.

Yo!

 

 

(THANK YOU OBAMA! I always knew you weren't shittin bout those unicorns. I tried to tell those goddamn fascists.)

54

You all are all getting worked up about nothing!  The U.S. will be bankrupt before this can ever be fully implemented. 

Pussies!

55 Let's hear your other story, Lemmi.

56 I think the Norks are just getting even for that uncomplementary documentary Lisa Ling did on them for Nat. Geo. One of the reporters was her sister, I believe.

57 Maybe some smart blogger will find out how Sen. Kennedy's current illness would have been treated under this new bill.

Oh, that's pretty easy:

1. Sen. Kennedy is just a regular Joe the Plumber: he's dead, as the treatment options would not be "cost effective".

2. Sen. Kennedy is a wealthy individual, but not politically conncted: he packs his bags and flies to a country where he can buy decent care. Probably not as good an outcome, as most of the rest of the world aren't as talented as his Duke surgeons.

3. He is Sen. Kennedy: identical to what he got. He won't actually be part of our healthcare system, you silly Drew! That's only for the non-party members!

58 You morons better get in shape. You just know certain "lifestyle-related" maladies, like CPD (emphysema, from smoking), cirrhosis of the liver from drinking, diabetes, etc., will be considered 'self-inflicted wounds' and treated with less zeal - and money - than, say, HIV/AIDS (or any other STD).

I have type 2 diabetes, and have lost 36 pounds so far. Eventually, I won't need any medication, which is good because I'm pretty sure it won't be covered anyway.

59

Oh... Almost forgot.

$99 Trillion.

That's without socialist health care.

60

Simple question (really):

Is Medicare cheap and does it work the way it's envisioned?

Because if the the answers are no and no (and they are), I'm at a loss as to how someone thinks a much bigger program is the answer.

Of course, I'm at a loss to explain a great many things lately because I'm a sane, sentinent taxpayer.

61

So how the hell am I going to get to India when "non-essential" air travel for private individuals is carbon-taxed out of reach for anyone but the wealthy or outright banned for those not politically connected?

I'm going to use shibumi my new wife as a flotation device.

_{Don't tell her I said that.}

62

Keith Hennessey, Director of the National Economic Council under George W. Bush, has gone through the health care 'reform' bill drafted by Ted Kennedy and Chris Dodd.

That's all I need to see.

63 one of my fave parts is how we get to cover our 'chlldren' under our health  care until they are 26!! 20 frakkin 6, are you KIDDING me?
nice way to reward his Obots..
he is also planning to 'forgive' student loans for those same Obots who cant get a job due to the way he is killing the economy
and he is boosting spendulus spending to get summer jobs out there for who? yeah the Obots again

my Gawd...

64 And just when we need principled, effective, no-nonsense opposition from the GOP on this blatant socialization demolition of our health care industry, there's Michael Steele over on CNN, playing with his lips.

65 58. they actually have a provision in here that PROHIBITS increasing insurance premiums for those who smoke etc, so dont worry everyone will pay for it
of course that pesky dialysis and kidney transplant, not so much.....
God Bless..

66 he is also planning to 'forgive' student loans for those same Obots who cant get a job due to the way he is killing the economy
and he is boosting spendulus spending to get summer jobs out there for who? yeah the Obots again

Everything Obama is doing is, at the root, taking money from people and groups without political connections and giving it people and groups with political connections.

67

(You don't have too frakkin swear if you don't want to.)

I don't know if this has already been mentioned or not but....

we are all fucked.

68 This is the Chicago way at work: He puts one of his in a job and one of us in a morgue.

69 You-all better rush out to teh corner store. I plan to corner teh market on Valu-Rite.

Posted by: Rush Babe

In which case, I'll worship you as the goddess you are. But why is the rum gone?

70

I posted this about a month ago, but I'm posting it again.

Obama thinks euthanasia of the elderly might be necessary.

This link goes to transcripts of an interview giving by O, posted at Doug Ross.

71

Lots of regulations? Check

Increased demands for private information? Check

New taxes? Check

 

For God's sake don't tell em you're a Republican. 

And check the "Other" box when you get to the race question.

 

72

@#40,

That is a scary story that hits home. I spent a night in the hospital after an ER visit last week. The docs told me they caught the problem early enough that a night on IV antibiotics would probably take care of it, but that if untreated, could have turned quickly into a life threatening injury. My health insurance, which I pay for myself since I am self-employed, will cover it. Maybe not perfect, but trust me after a night in the hospital, I can tell you there is more than enough bueracracy in the medical system without adding the fog and incompetence of a government mandated system. 

 

 

73

Olympia Fucking Snowe. Who couldn't have seen that coming.

Olympia is as pure as the driven...slush.

74

As a self employed person who pays her own health insurance, I am f*cking terrified of this. I may have to (sigh) marry someone for their Blue Cross. On the positive side, I cook.

 

Back off, woman! There ain't enough room for the both of us ... I cook *and* clean ... and I can change a tire and use a power drill. Nyah. ;-)

75

>>Free healtcare obviously does not mean there are no costs involved, and not even Obama will deny that.<<

But people don't seem to care.  I mean, they're either not hearing it or they think it doesn't apply to them.  They remind of that woman many moons ago who was so excited about getting The Vapid One elected because she wasn't gonna have to worry anymore cause Obama was going to pay for her gas and mortgage.  It strains the brain.

76 60

Simple question (really):

Is Medicare cheap and does it work the way it's envisioned?

Kind of. My Mom is currently on Medicare dealing with some really serious health problems. She pays out of pocket for a supplementary Medicare policy (around $120 a month) that she gets from Blue Cross. She also pays for Medicare Part D, which is prescription drug. I'm not sure how much Medicare is, it gets taken out of Mom's social security check.

All of this being said, she has had minimal bills. Minimal. She can go to whatever doctor she wants, to whatever hospital she wants. We have had all procedures, tests and hospital visits covered. The hospital costs for things like tests are astronomical- that needs to be fixed. Everything that Medicare doesn't pick up, Blue Cross covers. I have heard from other people that have different policies that they are constantly getting billed for different things that aren't covered. My Mom has a good policy from Blue Cross. That is not the case for everyone. I have also been hearing about doctors who are no longer dealing with Medicare- not a good sign.

Did this help?

77 As a self employed person who pays her own health insurance, I am f*cking terrified of this. I may have to (sigh) marry someone for their Blue Cross. On the positive side, I cook.

Well, if you're cute, don't drink all the Valu-rite or rum in the house, we can probably start negotiating an accord.

Ah, yes, the old fashioned marriages: the ones done out of financial necessity.

78 Back off, woman! There ain't enough room for the both of us ... I cook *and* clean ... and I can change a tire and use a power drill. Nyah. ;-)

Hey, that sounds great! when can you start?

79

and I can change a tire and use a power drill.

Nice, but get back to me when you can change a tire using a power drill. Fun for the whole family!

80 Well, if you're cute, don't drink all the Valu-rite or rum in the house, we can probably start negotiating an accord.

Ah, yes, the old fashioned marriages: the ones done out of financial necessity.

OMG! Practially an arranged marriage! We could be on Fox!!!11!!!1

/since I do pretty much meet the aforementioned requirements, at some point, we should have our people start drawing up the papers.... 

81 Poor Dave Carradine had to go to Thialand to get his pecker checked out by a pro.

82 Let's hear your other story, Lemmi.

Ok, me and my wife get invited to wedding where we are sitting at a table with one of my wife's Canadian friends and her husband who coughs a lot and is missing a leg.  The conversation starts heading in the direction of what is different between Canada and the US and naturally health care got brought up and she proceeded to tell us about how her husband lost his leg.

Her husband slipped on some icy steps and broke his leg.  They rushed him to the hospital and they couldn't see him that day so they gave him some pain killers and made an appointment for 3 days later (in case you don't know, a broken leg is a life threatening injury).  He gets in to see the doctor and gets x-rayed and then they set the bone and put it in a cast but to save money they never x-rayed it after the bone was set.  A few weeks later at his follow up visit he was complaining of extreme pain so they gave him some stronger pain killers.  At his next check up the doctor actually did what doctors do and investigated the pain and found out that the bone wasn't set properly and gangrene had set in.  The only option at this point was to amputate his leg.

About 6 months later the guy gets extremely ill and goes back to the hospital to discover that they didn't get all of the infection when they amputated and it had spread to his kidneys and lungs (that's why he coughs all the time).  He showed me all of the pills he has to take every day and explained that the treatments were only slowing the infection down and not actually getting rid of it.  The doctors expect him to live 2-3 more years on the current treatments unless some better treatment comes around.

The wife told us that the Canadian health plan has paid over $300,000 for his "treatments".  Then she turned to us and said "I don't know how we would afford all of this if it wasn't for the Canadian health plan.  If we lived in America there is no way we could afford all of his medical expenses".  I had to leave the table to avoid strangling her right then and there.

83 If the Republicans consistently refer to "health care reform" as the "health care rationing" that will result from the "reform", this lunacy can still be stopped.

84

For God's sake don't tell em you're a Republican. 

And check the "Other" box when you get to the race question.

Huh.  It's gonna look pretty weird when 80+% of the U.S. population self-identifies as wise registered Democrat lesbian latinas.

(I'm assuming the other 20% will be comprised of those willing to go to extreme lengths to automatically disqualify themselves from jury duty.)

85

>>Then she turned to us and said "I don't know how we would afford all of this if it wasn't for the Canadian health plan.  If we lived in America there is no way we could afford all of his medical expenses<<

Spoken like a true Liberal.

86 Back off, woman! There ain't enough room for the both of us ... I cook *and* clean ... and I can change a tire and use a power drill. Nyah. ;-)

Damn you for stealing my potential man! And for the record, I can use a power drill, a power saw, replace toilet parts, do light electrical work and do interior and exterior painting. If I have a flat, I call AAA.  My future potential mate needs a union quality Blue Cross plan, or even better yet, government funded health care. Not the peon-care, Senator-care. : )

87 "Of all the things that scare me about this administration, nationalized healthcare frightens me the most."

Sassy, I feel the exact same way. As a matter of fact, the terrible night that we learned Obama won the election, I laid awake that night as my eyes welled up with tears fearing this very thing. At the very least, I thought his upcoming disastrous spending could be reeled in if people were smart enough to cut bloated "gimme" programs. But socialized healthcare scares the ever loving crap out of me. I am extremely, extremely worried about this. I pray something can stop this utter nightmare. We all know what it means and none of it is in the least bit good.

88

I posted this about a month ago, but I'm posting it again.

Obama thinks euthanasia of the elderly might be necessary.

Well, if he's willing to kill a baby, did you have any doubt he'd be willing to kill grandma?

89 I hope Obama fails.  There, I said it.

90 Good anecdote, Lemmiworks (#83). I'm a Canadian living in the USA, or "over-documented alien" if you prefer Mark Steyn's term.

And in spite of the botched treatments, your acquaintances are oh-so-grateful to their blessed Canadian universal health care plan. Makes them feel smugly superior to all you dog-eat-dog Americans as well. Sickening (pun intended).

This is the rationed, inferior, required health care coming your way, guys. Don't let it happen.

91 Damn you for stealing my potential man! And for the record, I can use a power drill, a power saw, replace toilet parts, do light electrical work and do interior and exterior painting. If I have a flat, I call AAA.  My future potential mate needs a union quality Blue Cross plan, or even better yet, government funded health care. Not the peon-care, Senator-care. : )

Pshhht!  That's nothing.  I'm enthusiastic.  Cheerful even. IYKWIMAITYD.

92

>>Then she turned to us and said "I don't know how we would afford all of this if it wasn't for the Canadian health plan.  If we lived in America there is no way we could afford all of his medical expenses<<

Spoken like a true Liberal.

Exactly a good liberal could get analy raped for an hour and then say WOW male prostitutes cost $400 an hour look at all the money I saved.

93

Posted by: shibumi at June 08, 2009 01:29 PM (OKZrE)

I have also heard that many doctors are dropping Medicare/Medicaid. While the costs of healthcare are out of control... I think Medicare is partly to blame. DC sets their prices and that's what participating hospitals/physicians get, end of story. Whatever shortfall may arise is most likely passed on to those who have private comprehensive insurance.

Is it too early to start getting hammered-ass drunk?

94 The wife told us that the Canadian health plan has paid over $300,000 for his "treatments".  Then she turned to us and said "I don't know how we would afford all of this if it wasn't for the Canadian health plan.  If we lived in America there is no way we could afford all of his medical expenses".  I had to leave the table to avoid strangling her right then and there.

About two years ago, my Mom fractured her hip. It was in the early evening. She went to the hospital, they x-rayed her, and the next morning, she had surgery. Less than 24 hours later, her hip was fixed. We went to a decent hospital, had the doctor of our choice, and she had no problems. If they had behaved properly in the first place, there would be no $300,00 health care bill, the guy would have his leg and would be healthy.

IMHO, the people you were talking to were suckling at the teat of the government. If they had a better system, the guy wouldn't be disabled. I would rather pay for premiums and get good care than get f*cked by bad hospitals and doctors. And if they were in America, their who escapade would have never happened.

95

How can they be that brainwashed to actually be thankful for the shitty healthcare they got?  Oh, yeah we set your leg wrong and now you're going to die but don't worry it's on the house. 

Mebbe she's a little more thankful than he is.   Mebbe.

Just sayin.

96 Pshhht!  That's nothing.  I'm enthusiastic.  Cheerful even. IYKWIMAITYD.

You win.

I'm cynical and, when it's necessary, can bully complete strangers into doing what I want. My unofficial middle name is "Can I speak with your manager."

97

The wife told us that the Canadian health plan has paid over $300,000 for his "treatments".  Then she turned to us and said "I don't know how we would afford all of this if it wasn't for the Canadian health plan.  If we lived in America there is no way we could afford all of his medical expenses".  I had to leave the table to avoid strangling her right then and there.

 

You're a better, more controlled person than I. I would have stared at her, blinked a couple times and countered with my cancer story. The only reason I didn't have rad/chemo was because I went in for surgery within three weeks of my diagnosis. It would have been three days, but my doc let me wait until after my birthday. Then I would have strangled her.

 

 I R A Darth Aggie: Pay off my student loans, and I'm yours ... you also have to adopt my cat.

She bites.

98 95

How can they be that brainwashed to actually be thankful for the shitty healthcare they got?  Oh, yeah we set your leg wrong and now you're going to die but don't worry it's on the house. 

Liberals are stupid.

99

OT

Look, the low tax revenue, high government debt, high job loses all add up to one thing: success!

Obama says "We're moving in the right direction!"

I want what he is smoking. . . .

100

Yes,  the enthusiasm makes all the difference.

But, sadly, no Blue Cross here.

101

Of course there will be medical practices that don't want to deal with government insurance programs....look at Sotomayor's brother as one of those.  (I won't go into the politics of that..other posters are likely to be more cohesive in their arguments).

There's so much inefficiency in govt. run programs (name any one you'd like) it scares the daylights out of most people...we had an agency call up to schedule a doctor's appt. for my father, 6 months after they were informed that he passed away.  Yep....tax payer dollars, hard at work.

Thus far, the only change I believe in is in my piggybank,,,,which is experiencing more shrinkage than George Costanza.

 

102 Heathcare posters Malkin style!  Funny!

103 Is Medicare cheap and does it work the way it's envisioned?

My understanding is that Medicare is totally ****ed up.  The bureaucracy sets all the reimbursement rates, and if you've ever looked at a medicare beneficiary statement, you know the doctors and hospitals are really getting squeezed on a lot of their costs.  I look at it and ask myself: they went to medical school for this paltry sum??  As a result, there is a tremendous amount of cost shifting by doctors and hospitals to non-medicare patients, which increases costs to the rest of us.  On the other hand (to use a phrase that sort-of-God uses a lot), it appears that medicare is covering some things they shouldn't be covering (like those motorized scooters that all the elderly are running around in whether they need them or not), giving rise to fraud, waste and abuse.  Complete misallocation of resources typical of government program.

But it looks like here in Norte Venezuela the people have been promised "free" health care, and by "God" that's what they're going to get.

104

 If they had behaved properly in the first place, there would be no $300,00 health care bill, the guy would have his leg and would be healthy.

And if they had done exactly the same thing, here, it would be 3 seperate cases of medical malpractice, including loss of livelyhood, pain and suffering, and apparently premature death. Each netting them several-to-hundreds of millions of dollars.

And I mean that quite soberly. No exageration or hyperbole. In the US, had a hospital done that, that man would not only would not pay for his treatment, but would never have had to work again, nor would his widow or any surviving children ever have to work.

Course, while the two 2nd mistakes are always possible given gross negligence and incompitence, it wouldn't have happened to begin with but the 1st mistake is simply absurd. No hospitals here ever turn you away or send you home for 3 days if you have a wood sliver or a hangnail.

105

>>Obama thinks euthanasia of the elderly might be necessary.

 Well, if he's willing to kill a baby, did you have any doubt he'd be willing to kill grandma?<<

The pro-life view is sanctity of human life.  ALL human life. 

106 Does Obamacare frighten me? A little. But not half as much as Waxman/Markey's little carbon-rationing nonsense. Why not? 'Cause what we've got now isn't working all that well unless you're a wage-slave at a big employer (or married to one.) 'Guaranteed issue' and 'modified community rating' might sound like the insurance industry's worst nightmare, but in the end they're going to be necessary, and the playing field's got to be leveled between big group plans and everyone else. Letting Obamacare run its own insurance program is another issue and an altogether nastier one.

107 Is it even remotely constitutional for Congress to hand over taxing authority, both who, how much and for what, to a bureaucrat?  That can't be right.

108 you also have to adopt my cat.

Deal-breaker.

109

Stupid American fuckers! I came down with a brain abcess after being diagnosed with an allergy to KY Jelly by the State Health System, and I'm fine! FINE! I've learnt to live with it! Quit being such pussies! Or, as we don't say in Germany where I don't live, Nichts mit dem Pussenwailenich!

Now look what you've made me do, I've kicked over my drainage bucket! Fuckers!

110

108 you also have to adopt my cat.

Deal-breaker.

 

If you don't love my cat, you don't love me!

111

>>Obama thinks euthanasia of the elderly might be necessary.

Bad news for Sen. Sphincter.

112 @ 110

What's love got to do with it?

Got to do with it...

What's love?

113

"Obama says "We're moving in the right direction!"

I want what he is smoking. . . ."

Pole?

114 I won't have health insurance in 9 years when I retire.

I'll have medicare. It will be just like having a job to navigate all the pitfalls and road blocks it is sure to put in my way. I bet it is a lot like a worker's comp environment. It will be easier to just die.

I can't wait.

115

torabora: I predict we'll see an underground market for basic medical services and supplies -- non-controlled prescriptions, things like that. You may want to make friends with some nurses now.

116

I predict we'll see an underground market for basic medical services and supplies

Finally, my life long dream of starting an unlicensed and completely incompitent medical practice seem within reach.

Well, my 5 minute old life long dream.

Look, the point is, I have a saw, and pain killers, and I won "Operation" one time when I was like 8.

I also picked up this Appendectomy for Dummies book from Borders last week so the cashier wouldn't think I was there just to buy porn. Again.

117 I also picked up this Appendectomy for Dummies book from Borders last week so the cashier wouldn't think I was there just to buy porn. Again.

You can't compete with me.  I have the complete "Time-Life  Home Surgery Collection".

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Shibumi, Joanna, and Deety.

Conservative ladies are good for your health.

Thanks for providing, quick, sharp, and witty counterpoints to a depressing subject like enforced care.

Any moron would be more than lucky to match up with you all.

119 But I get to have free HIV treatment.  And Palin Steele gets those nasty STDs cured.

120 50 "OT. Has anybody else heard that the two reporters jailed by the Norks were probably abducted from the Chinese side of the border?"  --I just heard on the news that the reporters have been sentenced to 12 years of hard labor.  Since they were working for Al Gore's Current T.V. there is speculation that the Big Guy is going to N.Korea to negotiate their release.  On topic, Medicare is a disaster.  Doctors are reimbursed at a much lower rate than private insurance.  There are a lot of doctors who currently do not participate with Medicare.  I also find it just a complete disgrace that Torte Reform is not being included in this discussion of health care reform.  Legislators would never want to bite the hand that feeds them, the ever powerful trial attorneys.  Other countries that have socialized medicine in place do not have the litigation we have and their health care workers are paid markedly less than here. Nationalized health care in other countries is a disaster without the added burdens of lawsuits and labor unions.  Republicans better man up, get some balls and fight tooth and nail against this debacle.  I feel like this is the equivalent of Custer's last stand.

121 The core of any sensible health care financing reform needs to be a

1.  High deductible  universal catastrophic insurance program that everyone participates it.  This makes health care portable between states, jobs, and individual coverage.  Ideally, it would also include Medicaid.
2. Minimally, the deductible for such a plan should be set to something like AT LEAST twice the cost of a simple pregnancy and this barrier can't be changed by less than 3/4 majority.   The purpose of having a high deductible core is to prevent the typical benefit creep that politicians want to tack onto typical insurance plans. 
3. This core coverage would be relatively inexpensive for individuals or government/taxpayers to cover when compared to full feature insurance. 
4. Having a strong universal catastrophic core would allow the marketplace to develop and offer all sorts of enhanced plans for various prices with additional benefits and deductibles much like today's market, with the big exception -- individual plans would cost about the same as employer plans because of the common catastrophic core. 
5. Employers could offer employees a voucher to buy coverage in lue of employer based coverage.  Employees could use the voucher to buy a plan in the marketplace that best suits their situation.  It could be anything from a high deductible HSA to full coverage with all the bells and whistles. 

122

 But I get to have free HIV treatment.  And Palin Steele gets those nasty STDs cured.

Posted by: T DUB at June 08, 2009 03:28 PM (B8gqF)

 

The National Health did a bang up job on your teeth. What kind of a hammer did they use?

123 is bHo just trying to rush this thru before his poll numbers go down? this totally sucks. I do not want the govt in my private healthcare business.

124 Arnold Kling gave a speech at CATO about this...his prediction was the Dems will ram through a massive expansion of coverage and worry about payment later.

Then when it comes time to pay, they will want to be "bipartisan" about the taxes.

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126 Joanna - as long as that cat's not a metaphor for something else, deal!

Shibumi, on the other hand, sounds frugal and assertive, which is appealing.

Deety's enthusiastic and cheerful, IYKWSMAITTYD.

If this was a real choice, I imagine I'd be torn.

Instead, I'll just relax alone after a long day at my secure high-tech job, review my inexpensive and comprehensive insurance, and wish I had someone to whom I could give a back rub. (sigh)

127 Wow, most depressing threadkill evar.

128 Joanna - as long as that cat's not a metaphor for something else, deal!

Shibumi, on the other hand, sounds frugal and assertive, which is appealing.

Deety's enthusiastic and cheerful, IYKWSMAITTYD.


Dude. The solution is simple. Convert to Islam, and pick up 3 wives.

129

There is zero doubt in  my mind that the members of the stupid party will lie down and spread their legs for the demos on this bill.  They've been doing it for so long it's an automatic reaction.

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