CNN Poll: Palin, Huckabee, or Romney?
Update: Favorability of Republican Leaders Improves, But LAT Reporter Too Annoyed By Findings to Offer Details
I'm swiping this from Allah because stuff like this worries me. In CNN's monthly poll to see who Republicans are supporting for 2012, Governor Palin, Mike Huckabee, and Mitt Romney are tied at the front of the pack.
The survey suggests that 22 percent of Republicans would most likely support former Arkansas governor and former GOP presidential candidate Mike Huckabee for their party's presidential nomination in 2012. Twenty-one percent say they would most likely back Alaska governor and 2008 Republican vice presidential nominee Sarah Palin, with an equal number supporting former Massachusetts governor and former White House hopeful Mitt Romney. Taking into account the poll's 4.5 percent sampling error, Huckabee, Palin and Romney seem to be locked in a hypothetical dead heat. The poll indicates that 13 percent of Republicans would back former House Speaker Newt Gingrich in 2012, with 6 percent supporting former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush. Ten percent of those questioned say they would most likely back someone else.They obviously didn't poll the Powerline Blog guys or Tim Pawlenty would be named. You guys didn't get the poll either or I'm sure Dick Cheney would be named. The fact that the economically illiterate populist Certain Fuckin' Doomabee is neck and neck with Mitt Romney and Sarah Palin just shows that some folks don't give a damn about getting us out of the Great Recession or keeping the government's hands out of our pockets. I'm betting that the HQ trends strongly in favor of Governor Palin. Of course, we really are too far out to even know. At about this time in 1996, Bush 43 wasn't even on the national stage yet. Oh, what the hell, tell me what you really think: Below the fold, I've added a poll of what I think are the top contenders at the moment. No, Dick Cheney isn't on it because I know you folks will vote for no one else. Unless Liz is on it, so I didn't add her either.
More Findings [ace]: This poll also finds that unfavorability ratings of well-known Republicans (such as Cheney and Limbaugh) have dropped, and their favorability ratings have risen. "Some significantly," the article says, but offers no further details.
Americans now are thinking more favorably of Bush, Cheney, McCain, Newt Gingrich, Mitt Romney, Mike Huckabee and someone named Rush Limbaugh. Their favorable numbers are all up, some significantly. Their unfavorable ratings have all dropped, some significantly.Boy, I sure would like those numbers mentioned. But the writer seems too annoyed by these findings to offer details. He mostly snarks off. The one detail he offers is that Sarah Palin's numbers haven't improved.
The only Republican polled who did not advance in popularity was Alaska's Gov. Sarah Palin. Her unfavorables stayed constant at 43%. But her favorable rating slipped slightly from 49% right after the Nov. 4 election to 46% today.Odd that he gave details on the one Republican big losing (slight) ground. And skipped the details on the unexpected news of increasing Republican favorability.
Comments
Posted by: Sleestack at June 02, 2009 09:07 PM (4kID1)
Posted by: Twinks at June 02, 2009 09:10 PM (QPFLO)
Sorry, the morons poll heavily in favor of Brian Dennehy
Posted by: kbdabear at June 02, 2009 09:10 PM (93F13)
Posted by: Bugler at June 02, 2009 09:11 PM (YCVBL)
I keep saying it.
Anyone who thinks that McCain was a fluke, and we got him through cross-overs, is whistling past the grave yard. The mass of the Republican Party is as whimsical and aimless as the country at large.
Posted by: MlR at June 02, 2009 09:11 PM (0vdx6)
Posted by: ErikW at June 02, 2009 09:12 PM (hKtiw)
Posted by: David Putty Frum at June 02, 2009 09:12 PM (93F13)
Posted by: chris at June 02, 2009 09:13 PM (nYumm)
Posted by: Gabriel Malor at June 02, 2009 09:13 PM (rWvvO)
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at June 02, 2009 09:13 PM (0qe2I)
Posted by: Barry da man Obamacan at June 02, 2009 09:14 PM (NLtVk)
Posted by: CB at June 02, 2009 09:14 PM (9Wv2j)
Posted by: Barry da man Obamacan at June 02, 2009 09:14 PM (NLtVk)
Posted by: Meghan McCain at June 02, 2009 09:15 PM (93F13)
No, no, no and no. Members of Congress are clueless at the moment, regardless of party affiliation.
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at June 02, 2009 09:15 PM (0qe2I)
Posted by: Sleestack at June 02, 2009 09:15 PM (4kID1)
Posted by: Editor at June 02, 2009 09:15 PM (en7mZ)
Posted by: palin steele at June 02, 2009 09:15 PM (VDj74)
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at June 02, 2009 09:16 PM (0qe2I)
Posted by: Steven Den Beste at June 02, 2009 09:16 PM (+rSRq)
Posted by: palin steele at June 02, 2009 09:15 PM (VDj74)
See the company all you Mitt voters keep? Shame on you.
Posted by: Editor at June 02, 2009 09:17 PM (en7mZ)
Great.
You and Mitt can talk about his love of the capital gains tax and socialized medicine.
What a pathetic little turd. We need a troll upgrade stat.
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at June 02, 2009 09:17 PM (0qe2I)
No effing congressmen.
Get an effing governor; someone who has accomplished something, not just sucked on the teat in Washington.
Posted by: Kensington at June 02, 2009 09:18 PM (i02zG)
Posted by: Gabriel Malor at June 02, 2009 09:18 PM (rWvvO)
Posted by: Waterhouse at June 02, 2009 09:18 PM (T+V5O)
Posted by: I am the Walrus at June 02, 2009 09:18 PM (a8KEO)
Posted by: muffy at June 02, 2009 09:18 PM (zplc6)
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at June 02, 2009 09:19 PM (0qe2I)
If Ron Paul chooses not to run, I will run based on the manifest I have published at Leftist Goon Fakes
Posted by: Cahrsel Jonshno at June 02, 2009 09:19 PM (93F13)
Posted by: Kensington at June 02, 2009 09:19 PM (i02zG)
Posted by: Tee866 at June 02, 2009 09:19 PM (Vti3Z)
Well, since the libs took over Martha's Vinyard and the Hamptons, a person's got to vacation somewhere . . .
Posted by: CB at June 02, 2009 09:19 PM (9Wv2j)
..err..nevermind
Posted by: Sleestack at June 02, 2009 09:20 PM (4kID1)
Posted by: palin steele at June 02, 2009 09:20 PM (VDj74)
Posted by: muffy at June 02, 2009 09:20 PM (zplc6)
I just don't see how either of them can overcome the media assault.
Of course the media is going to go nuts on whoever our nominee is, so I guess it doesn't matter really.
I'd be happy with Cheney/Palin or Romney/Palin.
Posted by: benjamin at June 02, 2009 09:21 PM (jjlGZ)
Posted by: Kensington at June 02, 2009 09:19 PM (i02zG)
Eh, we'll see.
Posted by: Mayans at June 02, 2009 09:21 PM (en7mZ)
Charlie Christ?
Posted by: palin steele at June 02, 2009 09:21 PM (VDj74)
Posted by: Dave C at June 02, 2009 09:22 PM (FBytr)
Posted by: FUBAR at June 02, 2009 09:22 PM (J5Srq)
Is this supposed to be a "in your wildest dreams" or a "someone to lead us back from the wilderness" pick?
Posted by: cthulhu at June 02, 2009 09:22 PM (m5ie4)
BTW, Sanford/Petreus 2012.
Posted by: David at June 02, 2009 09:22 PM (xjpG8)
Bingo!
We put up a Democrat Lite and the DemSM made him look like Jesse Helms
Posted by: kbdabear at June 02, 2009 09:23 PM (93F13)
To me, the really disturbing thing about Huckabee is that my girlfriend's mother, a moderate-liberal Italian immigrant, thinks the man is great, and would like to see him as President.
Thing is, she told me she likes him because he seems so much like Jimmy Carter (in office when she immigrated), a man she and her husband have a good deal of admiration for. It must be the "down home," "aw-shucks" image he throws off or something. But it he's the best that the GOP can put forth in 2012, then damn it, I'm switching to Libertarian.
My girlfriend's parents like me, so I didn't want to open my mouth and ruin a good dinner. I guess what I'm trying to say is, these polls seem weirdly skewed (and I hope they are), but frighteningly, they aren't totally without substantiation.
Posted by: Fortunate Son at June 02, 2009 09:23 PM (FaLC9)
Lemme see... Huckabee has a funny name but he can play the bass... Romney's got presidential hair... Palin's got that smokin' hot MILF thing going...
PALIN
Posted by: Jones at June 02, 2009 09:24 PM (KOkrW)
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at June 02, 2009 09:24 PM (0qe2I)
Unless Teleprompter deems that we all be blinded, they won't beat us on the hawt factor
Posted by: kbdabear at June 02, 2009 09:24 PM (93F13)
Posted by: Harry Calamari at June 02, 2009 09:24 PM (V9mwX)
Posted by: Jones at June 02, 2009 09:24 PM (KOkrW)
They're one in the same. Coming back from the wilderness is going to be in our wildest dreams.
Posted by: Mayans at June 02, 2009 09:24 PM (en7mZ)
Posted by: t-bone at June 02, 2009 09:25 PM (XhOMf)
Posted by: Tee866 at June 02, 2009 09:25 PM (Vti3Z)
Is it out of line for me to suggest a divorce at this point?
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at June 02, 2009 09:25 PM (0qe2I)
*This expression brought to you by the Committee for Accuracy in Historical References.
Posted by: Mrs. Peel at June 02, 2009 09:25 PM (kTwMy)
Posted by: Kensington at June 02, 2009 09:26 PM (i02zG)
Huckabee is a fucking idiot. He's been sucking dick on Fox now for six months and he is the only one on TV and he still only gets 20 some points.
Obviously people see him for what he is an ignorant Baptist preacher who learned how to exercise.
He makes we want to puke.
Have a nice day.
Kemp
Posted by: kempermanx at June 02, 2009 09:26 PM (2+9Yx)
Posted by: Kensington at June 02, 2009 09:27 PM (i02zG)
Still asleep and still campaigning only in Florida.
Next.
Oh very very yes. I'd like to see some new blood in 2012. We already know how it turns out with Thompson and Giuliani. They lose.
Posted by: Gabriel Malor at June 02, 2009 09:27 PM (rWvvO)
#23 23 No effing senators.
No effing congressmen.
Get an effing governor; someone who has accomplished something, not just sucked on the teat in Washington.
-----------
LOL
I agree.
Posted by: Adrienne at June 02, 2009 09:27 PM (Rya7y)
Whomever it happens to be in '12, here's a starter:
Tell perky Katie and Gibson to pound sand.
Posted by: Sleestack at June 02, 2009 09:27 PM (4kID1)
Posted by: canuk at June 02, 2009 09:27 PM (flu/p)
Posted by: Twinks at June 02, 2009 09:27 PM (QPFLO)
Posted by: muffy at June 02, 2009 09:27 PM (zplc6)
Romney should run with Meg Whitman (hopefully CA Gov. Whitman by then). Economically smart team; apparently foreign policy experience now means ZERO, so...
And Government motors/General Morons is a + for Romney.
Posted by: flooflyparisparamus at June 02, 2009 09:28 PM (SRr22)
Posted by: Cautiously Pessimistic at June 02, 2009 09:28 PM (ltwze)
It's a bunch of Greens and Green scientists acting as if it's 2100 and everything Al Gore lied about came true.
Having this bunch drop their trousers and have at themselves would be less myopic and self-indulgent.
Posted by: Kensington at June 02, 2009 09:28 PM (i02zG)
It needs to put social issues under the heading, "Federalism." Which quite frankly is where I think Palin has put them.
1) Tax reform.
2) National defense.
3) Smaller government/federalism.
4) Term limits.
5) Voting reform.
Give me that and I can pull the lever for anybody.
Posted by: benjamin at June 02, 2009 09:29 PM (jjlGZ)
Note they sampled "adults". Not likely voters, or even registered voters. And no party affilliation. Translation: poll is meaningless bullshit.
I seem to to recall a Rasmussen poll from earlier this year that actually sampled Republicans and Palin won handily (over 60% IIRC).
Posted by: ol-dirty-/b/-tard at June 02, 2009 09:29 PM (J13o1)
Yeh, we really dodged a bullet with that didn't we. Thank God we have a VP who knows to pick up his books and step to the curb when the short bus flashes those lights.
Posted by: kbdabear at June 02, 2009 09:29 PM (93F13)
Posted by: Sleestack at June 02, 2009 09:30 PM (4kID1)
I think Romney vs Obama would be a top-tier debate between two highly intelligent, ambitious men. It'd be fun to watch.
Posted by: palin steele at June 02, 2009 09:30 PM (VDj74)
Posted by: flooflyparisparamus at June 02, 2009 09:30 PM (SRr22)
Posted by: Corona at June 02, 2009 09:31 PM (InjUv)
Posted by: palin steele at June 02, 2009 09:31 PM (VDj74)
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at June 02, 2009 09:31 PM (0qe2I)
Eh? I'm a bit too young to be married, and besides, my girlfriend is usually politically ambivalent. The only time she's shown any conviction is when affirmative action is brought up (she's a staunch opponent) and when I talk about merit pay for teachers (she's working on becoming a teacher, and I haven't had time to adequately dissect the arguments against merit pay).
Her parents are "moderate" and rarely talk politics, so it's never been a problem, which, again, is why I don't see what about Huckabee would appeal to them.
Posted by: Fortunate Son at June 02, 2009 09:32 PM (FaLC9)
Posted by: CoolCzech at June 02, 2009 09:32 PM (iafWn)
I would go with Newt but he claimed he wanted to run last time with his bipartisan solutions group backing him, until it turned out that wasn't legal. Dude shouldn't have been blindsided by something like that.
Posted by: Methos at June 02, 2009 09:32 PM (7h4DG)
Posted by: rockhead at June 02, 2009 09:32 PM (Mo/H3)
Are you shitting me? I'm supposed to be upset that Huckabee is popular in the GOP?
It's dumbass thinking like this that gave us Obama. Yeah, Huckabee is a boob, but I have a rule:
Any Republican is better than any Democrat. I'll take Huckabee over Obama, any day.
Posted by: Unicle, if you will at June 02, 2009 09:32 PM (bJTac)
Just because Palin was better than Joe Biden doesn't mean she is the right choice.
Case and Point:
You voted for John McCain.
Posted by: t-bone at June 02, 2009 09:32 PM (XhOMf)
Posted by: CB at June 02, 2009 09:33 PM (9Wv2j)
Palin has a Jefferson Smith appeal, and TCM is showing 'Goes to Washington' right now. She's too despised and ridiculed among all the wrong people to choose anyone else.
Posted by: The Black Republican at June 02, 2009 09:33 PM (0guas)
Posted by: CozMark at June 02, 2009 09:33 PM (klUBn)
Around these parts the preferred term is master debater.
Posted by: benjamin at June 02, 2009 09:34 PM (jjlGZ)
2) National defense.
3) Smaller government/federalism.
4) Term limits.
5) Voting reform.
Give me that and I can pull the lever for anybody.
One more:
6) NO MATT MILLEN TALKING ABOUT FOOTBALL ON NFL SHOWS ON ANY NETWORK, EVER.
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at June 02, 2009 09:34 PM (0qe2I)
They did it to Palin once, maybe they won't be able to do it again. I don't know.
Posted by: Kensington at June 02, 2009 09:34 PM (i02zG)
Posted by: Bosch at June 02, 2009 09:34 PM (Rb2lP)
Oh, and the DemSM was totally awed by Reagan's elite intellectual curiosity and nuanced view of the world too
Posted by: kbdabear at June 02, 2009 09:35 PM (93F13)
Anecdote: Gave money to the Palin legal defense fund about the day they announced its creation. Not a significant amount - more a show of support than anything. Her management team sent a simple "Thank You" card. They didn't ask for more money. There was no solicitation for more info or voting habits or enclosure of some political talking points. A simple thank you.
She remains an exception to the political class even though she's still a member of it. Simple class in the face of brutal and perpetual disingenuous criticism. She'll get my vote for President or V-President every time she runs. She's trustworthy and sincere, a trait almost universally lacking in politicians today. It also matters.
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at June 02, 2009 09:35 PM (swuwV)
Posted by: Corona at June 02, 2009 09:35 PM (InjUv)
Posted by: muffy at June 02, 2009 09:36 PM (zplc6)
Posted by: Peggy Noonan at June 02, 2009 09:37 PM (93F13)
No effing "compassionate" conservatives.
Posted by: Kensington at June 02, 2009 09:37 PM (i02zG)
Yeah! You've gotta be clean like me! No hanging out in racist churches or starting your political career in the home of an unrepentant domestic terrorist or strongarming raises for your wife! Wait ...
Posted by: Baracky O' at June 02, 2009 09:37 PM (T+V5O)
Agreed. We've got to figure out how to go on offense & put the MSM/dems on defense and keep 'em there.
It seems like we spent way too much time on defense and not enough time defining who we are as conservatives.
Posted by: Sleestack at June 02, 2009 09:38 PM (4kID1)
Posted by: I am the Walrus at June 02, 2009 09:18 PM (a8KEO)
You're insane if you think the Fair Tax is why Mike "Flying Cross/Mormons Worship Satan/Jesus Is My Home Boy" Huckabee is so popular.28 Gabe--one word: Petraeus.
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at June 02, 2009 09:19 PM (0qe2I)
You mean General David "Let's close Gitmo for some bullshit reason I can barely articulate" Patreus? No politician, he.
Posted by: DoDoGuRu at June 02, 2009 09:39 PM (xBkZj)
Are we forgetting just how far in the tank the media is?
Are you under the impression that we're going to be able to field anyone who isn't going to be viciously maligned by the media?
Posted by: benjamin at June 02, 2009 09:39 PM (jjlGZ)
Play to win this time and that means play mean. I don't know if Palin could do that.
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at June 02, 2009 09:40 PM (0qe2I)
Posted by: Comrade RINO at June 02, 2009 09:40 PM (CZUzh)
Unless the MSM has completely imploded by 2012, does it really matter how strong a candidate looks in national, televised debates? I have a hunch that our candidate could be a modern-day Cicero and he/she would still be dragged down to the status of rube.
Wouldn't a candidate that comes off as "real" rather than "polished" do better among a populace (hopefully) exhausted by the elitism of D.C. today in three years? Don't get me wrong-if Romney can pull that off, I could easily get behind him. He just seems to me to be too political, too polished, at the moment.
Posted by: Fortunate Son at June 02, 2009 09:40 PM (FaLC9)
We should be embracing things like that. However, I disagree whole-heartedly with your notion that there's no difference between the Ds and the Rs. No R would have put forth Sotomayor.
Posted by: Kensington at June 02, 2009 09:41 PM (i02zG)
Crap like that tells me that she still weilds a lot of power, they are so afraid of her they are starting the campaign against her yesterday. Waht totally scares them is she is honest in her views, tells it like it is and she could win.
Posted by: muffy at June 02, 2009 09:41 PM (zplc6)
Posted by: Bill Clinton at June 02, 2009 09:41 PM (93F13)
Just think of all the "special underwear" stories we missed out on because Romney fell short.
Posted by: rockhead at June 02, 2009 09:41 PM (Mo/H3)
Posted by: Dufus at June 02, 2009 09:41 PM (Elvb1)
Posted by: Corona at June 02, 2009 09:42 PM (InjUv)
Posted by: Vmaximus at June 02, 2009 09:42 PM (K4NZX)
ALL four-stars are politicians. Trust me.
That was one little lapse, if it was even that.
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at June 02, 2009 09:42 PM (0qe2I)
Posted by: gordo at June 02, 2009 09:42 PM (GkYyh)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YsUw2Vq8UMw
than this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9go38MgZ4w8
Posted by: t-bone at June 02, 2009 09:43 PM (XhOMf)
We should be embracing things like that. However, I disagree whole-heartedly with your notion that there's no difference between the Ds and the Rs. No R would have put forth Sotomayor.
Posted by: Kensington at June 02, 2009 09:41 PM (i02zG)"
didn't Bush I put her on the circuit court? I think that so much is being made of these appointments that we are going to end up with someone we aren't happy with cause their strategy is probably "the one we want will be our second or third choice"
Posted by: muffy at June 02, 2009 09:43 PM (zplc6)
2) National defense.
3) Smaller government/federalism.
4) Term limits.
5) Voting reform.
Give me that and I can pull the lever for anybody.
One more:
6) NO MATT MILLEN TALKING ABOUT FOOTBALL ON NFL SHOWS ON ANY NETWORK, EVER.
And
7) No fewer than half of known Obama supporters on the weekend before the election must be threatening to move to Europe if our candidate wins. (Which I still think breaks in Palin's favor). I really want to kick this whole "unity" thing in the mouth and make it swallow it's teeth.
Posted by: Methos at June 02, 2009 09:43 PM (7h4DG)
Posted by: A Pundit at June 02, 2009 09:44 PM (93F13)
Why do stories on "special underwear" when you can insinuate that Romney belongs to a polygamous pedophile cult?
Still not grasping the seriousness of the enemy.
Posted by: benjamin at June 02, 2009 09:44 PM (jjlGZ)
Posted by: Holdfast at June 02, 2009 09:45 PM (Gzb30)
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at June 02, 2009 09:45 PM (0qe2I)
Something tells me that a lot more than the 7.2% that separated Bambi and the straight talker are going to be ready for some non-D.C. leadership in 2012.
Posted by: rockhead at June 02, 2009 09:46 PM (Mo/H3)
Posted by: Kensington at June 02, 2009 09:47 PM (i02zG)
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at June 02, 2009 09:47 PM (0qe2I)
That was one little lapse, if it was even that.
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at June 02, 2009 09:42 PM (0qe2I)
Unless he's actually a white Colin Powell. That's the thing though: people fetishize Patreus but they have no idea what his governing philosophy is. So far, the only evidence I have about his grasp of Presidential level politics is that he's willing to swallow leftist swill wholesale... in an area where a man like him ought to have SOME expertise.
Posted by: DoDoGuRu at June 02, 2009 09:47 PM (xBkZj)
--"being against sex education";
--"having gone to five colleges";
--"being against abortion"; and
--"saying 'you betcha' and 'winking during the VP debate"
[sounds like the Zagats Guide to Political Candidates]. You need to deal with this reality.
I would vote for Palin for VP, but too many voters, pathetic, stupid, liberal dopes as they may be, would not. This is just a reality. And lots of these idiots in the big electoral states...
Posted by: flooflyparisparamus at June 02, 2009 09:47 PM (SRr22)
Pretty much Palin/anything will work with me.
Huckabee needs to have his nuts chopped off, Romney just need to be lobotomized, and Duncan Hunter needs to understand that he's a fuckin' douchebag.
Posted by: Pipe Barackage at June 02, 2009 09:48 PM (Z9IOH)
This may be a question that has been asked and answered plenty of times, but, does anyone know if Andrew Breitbart has political aspirations? I saw a 5 part interview done by the Hoover Institute, and quite frankly, Andrew had me haning on every word as respects his conservative stance and position. Dare I say, almost Reagan-esque.
Do we HAVE to have a candidate that is part of the D.C. backscratching crowd? Just curious.
Posted by: sybilll at June 02, 2009 09:48 PM (1tQsg)
We need to win in 2010 or the Democrats will gerrymander us so badly that even a solidly conservative Republican President will be powerless. One election at a time. And remember..
Honest Democrat is a contradiction in terms!
Posted by: Ken Hahn at June 02, 2009 09:49 PM (E1obs)
Just this past week I got into an argument with a self described "moderate" because my friend had the nerve to say he hates Obama and wishes Sarah Palin was President. The fact that Biden is a complete dumb ass didn't phase her and she still believes that it would have been worse with Palin. Revealing state secrets like hidden bunkers aren't a big deal, cuz she kills animals!
Rush is right. Moderate is Liberal-lite. Fuck 'em. Oh and fuck Huckabee. We'll lose again if he's the nominee.
Posted by: Brenden at June 02, 2009 09:49 PM (54lqZ)
Posted by: muffy at June 02, 2009 09:49 PM (zplc6)
2) National defense.
3) Smaller government/federalism.
4) Term limits.
5) Voting reform.
Need to put immigration reform on here...the kind that involves border security, deportations, and real efforts to eliminate illegals that remain from sucking at the government teet.
I supported Newt for a long time, but if you get AGW wrong, you're toast. Sorry, that's like a conservative supporting elimination of the 2nd amendment.
Palin does have the negativity, but at this point she gets it better than the other guys. As several have said, the landscape will change dramatically before the end of '09, much less '11.
Posted by: The Hammer at June 02, 2009 09:49 PM (YBTwf)
Posted by: mesablue at June 02, 2009 09:49 PM (U5a3G)
I call bullshit. Before McCain was forced almost at gunpoint to choose her over Joe Lieberman, his campaign was droll and pretty much dormant.
Sarah Palin drew huge crowds and had GOP small donors hitting that donation button. The "independents" didn't say "you gotta be kidding me", it was the lefty pretenders like Frum, Noonan, Parker, and Charles Johnson who freaked out. How do you think Teleprompter would have made it had he been subjected to hostile and heavily edited interviews with Gibson and Whoric, if the DemSM had spent 1/4 of the time digging through his garbage as they did with Bristol Palin?
Posted by: A Pundit at June 02, 2009 09:49 PM (93F13)
Posted by: CoolCzech at June 02, 2009 09:50 PM (iafWn)
Posted by: kbdabear at June 02, 2009 09:50 PM (93F13)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YsUw2Vq8UMw
than this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9go38MgZ4w8"
Fine, but understand that if we go your way, we're also going to get this.
See the problem?
Posted by: Kensington at June 02, 2009 09:50 PM (i02zG)
THERE'S YOUR PROBLEM.
Posted by: UncleFacts at June 02, 2009 09:50 PM (vZVv7)
Posted by: Bob Dole at June 02, 2009 09:51 PM (93F13)
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at June 02, 2009 09:51 PM (swuwV)
Palin is the best the GOP has left.
Her running mate can be Tom Tancredo.
The rest of you socially-left, so-called-republicans need to go now.
Posted by: Jim from San Diego at June 02, 2009 09:51 PM (H7Rlw)
I guess I'll turn around now! Can you image what would've happened if the one person who has a background in business and an auto company was in charge right now? We wouldn't be owing in the trillions and the car companies would've had to declare bankruptcy and the bond holders and the workers and the management would've gotten out with their jobs and the union wouldn't own most along with the tax payers. Mitt would've been miles above the dufus we have now.
Posted by: Goldi at June 02, 2009 09:53 PM (daA28)
Global Warming is his big knock, I agree. But I haven't heard him mention that crap in a while, so I question how he still feels about it.
I said earlier that I would prefer Cheney (either), but I just want to make sure we have someone that can prove Obama is not some exceptional genius on a stage. There are plenty of people that can do that, but I know for a fact Gingrich would make him look like a fool.
Posted by: t-bone at June 02, 2009 09:53 PM (XhOMf)
Posted by: muffy at June 02, 2009 09:53 PM (zplc6)
Sure. Either Cheney.
However, just mentioning the Old Man's name would cause the liberals to just wet themselves continuously.
Depends sales? Through the roof!
/another 120,000,000 jobs saved
Posted by: shibumi at June 02, 2009 09:53 PM (OKZrE)
Exactly. I'd like to think there's some dark horse out there, maybe involved in lower-level state politics, maybe just a concerned and angry small businessman, or perhaps even a former businessman whose Dodge-Chrysler dealership was shuttered by government fiat, just waiting to jump in the ring.
If that's the case, the more time the media spends shredding the GOP "frontrunners" the better.
Posted by: Fortunate Son at June 02, 2009 09:54 PM (FaLC9)
Considering that NYC women ADORE Maureen Dowd and cried when Sex and the City ended their run, I'd just as soon poll a dozen airheads from Encino
Posted by: kbdabear at June 02, 2009 09:54 PM (93F13)
Posted by: pitythefool at June 02, 2009 09:54 PM (b7lwu)
Palin's border views sounded a little squishy during the campaign, but hopefully she was just being the good vp candidate.
Posted by: The Hammer at June 02, 2009 09:55 PM (YBTwf)
Posted by: palin steele at June 02, 2009 09:20 PM (VDj74)
I cringe when I think of an efficient Washington. They are stealing enough money as is, they don't need to get more efficient at it.
Posted by: In Exile at June 02, 2009 09:55 PM (Dw6L6)
Someone go fetch one of our best trolls to use the phrase "Bible-thumpers"...
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at June 02, 2009 09:55 PM (0qe2I)
Posted by: muffy at June 02, 2009 09:58 PM (zplc6)
Jindal would work if he comes along ... maybe with Palin or L. Cheney. But if the economy gets worse, or Pakistan explodes ... who knows what the people will be looking for ...
Posted by: bill at June 02, 2009 09:59 PM (tWiIe)
Someone go fetch one of our best trolls to use the phrase "Bible-thumpers"..
Or go over to Liberal Groveling Freaks and have them vote. They only want to "help" the GOP, that's what Landru Johnson tells them.
Posted by: kbdabear at June 02, 2009 09:59 PM (93F13)
>she is so loathed by the center-left, and left, and I don't know when she will be a viable candidate.
name a conservative that isn't
Posted by: Jones at June 02, 2009 09:59 PM (KOkrW)
What about Marco Rubio? He seems to have all the right ingredients.
Posted by: CB at June 02, 2009 09:59 PM (9Wv2j)
At this point, a winner would be a conservative who would play the social card with gay marriage- "I'll start pushing for federal gay marriage as soon as a majority of states vote it in. Until then, the gay community needs to work on its sales pitch"; would call out Obama for selling out Israel and recommend a carrier battle group take up station off North Korea and begin shooting down their missiles; and put forth a plan (skeletally) to divest the US Government of holdings in Chrysler and GM, accuse the UAW of negotiating with Ford in bad faith, and put forth a plan to repeal the stimulus.
In addition, the winner would announce plans to put forth an amendment mandating that Congressional terms be limited to ten years and Senatorial terms be limited to twelve years- cleaning out the dead wood in Congress.
Finally, the very real problem is that the only candidate we have who's a genuine fighter and has any real personality (which, if you look over the past several presidents elected has been the intangible winning element) is Palin. Can she rehab her image by 2011? I hope so but I doubt it.
I think my boy Bobby Jindal has the policy stances to get it done, but does he have the personality? I know the man (friend of the family) and I frankly don't think so. The other thing is, committing unforced errors (the volcano monitoring funding gaffe) does not help matters.
So I vote for none of the above.
Posted by: tmi3rd at June 02, 2009 10:00 PM (MLaAD)
I do wonder what Palin would be like on a second run and what she'd do with her experiences from the first.
There's a lot that will go on before we get there and a lot can happen.
Posted by: Shannon at June 02, 2009 10:00 PM (v4qA1)
Posted by: The Black Republican at June 02, 2009 10:00 PM (0guas)
I'm sure the MSM would sneak in a few "former tub o' lard" stories if'n he was actually the candidate.
Posted by: rockhead at June 02, 2009 10:01 PM (Mo/H3)
No, because NYC women are Chicago women, are California women, are Maryland women, are Boston women. Texas Women and even Florida Women are not going to cancel them out. It sucks, but it's true. I don't want it to be true. And the women I speak of are all in their 30's and 40's. The effect is likely stronger for younger women...
Romney is doing all the right things right now. As I advised during the primaries, he needs to speak a little slower, and, perhaps, be seen a little less often in a suit. He still doesn't have foreign policy experience, but who really does; and it didn't matter in 2008. And I think Obama substantially killed the religion issue: Obama has Bad Religion, and it didn't matter....a good LDS won't matter either.
Posted by: flooflyparisparamus at June 02, 2009 10:01 PM (SRr22)
Posted by: maddogg at June 02, 2009 10:01 PM (W7+ij)
Posted by: Donna in San Diego at June 02, 2009 10:01 PM (nd/YW)
Posted by: benjamin at June 02, 2009 10:02 PM (jjlGZ)
Your comprehension skills are lacking. The poll isn't Mitt vs. Barry in a general election.
I use to go with the saying, "I don't hate Obama because he's a commie. I hate him because me made me vote for McCain."*
I would have voted for Mitt vs. Barry easily if that would have been the match-up.
*Now it is mostly because he's a commie.
Posted by: Editor at June 02, 2009 10:02 PM (en7mZ)
Posted by: The Hammer at June 02, 2009 10:02 PM (YBTwf)
Posted by: tmi3rd at June 02, 2009 10:00 PM (MLaAD)
Excellent post! I agree with every word. I would also remind people of that dreadful speech Jindal gave on national tv. I know it wasn't typical of him, but it was a buzz-kill for sure.
Posted by: CB at June 02, 2009 10:03 PM (9Wv2j)
Posted by: flooflyparisparamus at June 02, 2009 10:03 PM (SRr22)
I would think Romney is the only one polished enough to debate Obama.
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haha oh yeah, I'm sure any possible candidate is scared shitless of debating the teleprompter-in-chief who believes there are 57 states
Posted by: Adrienne at June 02, 2009 10:04 PM (Rya7y)
You're not of the BODY!!
Posted by: shramuta at June 02, 2009 10:04 PM (93F13)
Theoretically, as long as a real conservative runs and the public is informed of the differences between the candidates, the Republican would win after Obama's serial disasters. However, the public isn't going to be informed because the Republican won't get any press unless it pertains to rumors about possible ethical lapses. Actually having an informed electorate is going to be hurgely problematic.
Couple that with Obama pouring billions into the UAW and ACORN to fund his machine, God-only-knows poll rigging, it's going to be a hard election to win. More than picking the ideal candidate, we have to figure out how to break his machine. Chicago hasn't had a Republican mayor in what, 50 years? Having some leaders who'd rather fight than surrender would be nice too.
The situation is just too depressing. The Republican Party might be the first Party on Prozac. Me, I'm going to keep my eyes on Christ, there's hope in Him.
Posted by: publicserf at June 02, 2009 10:05 PM (P6Zpz)
What about Marco Rubio? He seems to have all the right ingredients.
I thought about him. But, he is being ballsacked by the RNC, in favor of Crist. If he can emerge victorious, I'll give him another look.
Posted by: sybilll at June 02, 2009 10:05 PM (1tQsg)
Posted by: Corona at June 02, 2009 10:05 PM (InjUv)
Posted by: Notsomebodyelse at June 02, 2009 10:06 PM (XUeYy)
Palin is the most superb candidate because she would be the best leader.
And that is what we need.
Add Liz to ticket just to make it even more awesomeness galore.
And the media will paint them as bimbos. Again, do not listen to them. The media is B.S.
Posted by: sloeride at June 02, 2009 10:06 PM (PqB/x)
Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at June 02, 2009 10:07 PM (LeSBi)
Posted by: flenser at June 02, 2009 10:08 PM (kDzov)
Yeah, he's pretty much what I was thinking about.
The few times I've heard him speak (on the radio), I've been pretty impressed. He's got sex appeal (he's young, well-spoken, enthusiastic, and as much as I hate identity politics, and comes from a Hispanic background) and actual experience. I guess we'll have to see what happens in 2010.
The only problem is that he's been too busy actually leading to write multiple best-selling books, so there's no way to expose him to students of high school English classes (as one of my teachers did with The Audacity of Hope the year after I took her class), and it's damn hard to compete with indoctrination.
Posted by: Fortunate Son at June 02, 2009 10:08 PM (FaLC9)
I'll vote for the candidate that declares global warming to be a load of horseshit and radical islam a mortal enemy to be defeated
I'll vote for the candidate that vows to auction off all Govt holdings- GM, Amtrak, fannie, freddie, even LAND
I'll vote for the candidate that declares my right to own a handgun to be inviolate
I'll vote for the candidate that understands crude oil ain't going away anytime soon, and if we really want cheap plentiful energy to light our cities and drive our industry, the answer is NUCLEAR POWER
I'll vote for the candidate that points a finger at the MSM and calls them liars
Posted by: Jones at June 02, 2009 10:08 PM (KOkrW)
The candidate that they revile the most and dig up the trash on is the one they fear the most.
Posted by: kbdabear at June 02, 2009 10:09 PM (93F13)
Posted by: CB at June 02, 2009 10:09 PM (9Wv2j)
Sorry, bitches.
Your candidate? It's me again.
Open primaries, remember?
Yeah, i figure I got at least two more elections in me that I can fuck up.
Then, it's Meghan's turn.
Posted by: John McCain at June 02, 2009 10:10 PM (oEAm5)
Posted by: paranoid polly at June 02, 2009 10:10 PM (YLNjm)
Liz Cheney speaking while I look at a picture of Sarah Palin.
I'll even negotiate further:
Dick Cheney speaking while I look at a picture of Sarah Palin.
Posted by: t-bone at June 02, 2009 10:10 PM (XhOMf)
Posted by: jmflynny at June 02, 2009 10:11 PM (gmwku)
Posted by: Merovign, Strong on His Mountain at June 02, 2009 10:11 PM (or0jG)
what asshole voted for the huckster? fess up and punch yourself in the face.
how about this...everyone on the list is sucked into a man made black hole when the cern LHC goes haywire....does anyone care?
maybe if mike pence was on that list.
Posted by: evil libertarian at June 02, 2009 10:11 PM (/LywR)
I'd vote for him. His border security plan is teh shit - pearly fence and all.
Posted by: The Black Republican at June 02, 2009 10:11 PM (0guas)
I hear you- and in good faith, at that. Obama will do a lovely job of beating the crap out of himself between now and 2012, and as before, Palin both has the personality and the feistiness to take on the MSM. She does lead.
My concern is that she does have some image rehabbing to do, and I'm not convinced she has the time to do it. I'm willing to be convinced- tell me why I'm wrong in my concerns.
Posted by: tmi3rd at June 02, 2009 10:12 PM (MLaAD)
Oddly enough, I did the same thing in San Francisco, with similar results. What are the chances?
It must be fate.
Or, poor sample selection.
Posted by: Merovign, Strong on His Mountain at June 02, 2009 10:12 PM (or0jG)
Same thing with Jindal.
I think maybe Romney would be the best for 2012, because we need to run on a economic growth, managerial competence platform, and he has those creds. He can also run against his own healthcare plan that failed. "I tried that and it did not work. Obama is lying and has no experience."
Suggestions for Palin & Jindal...come on strong with summer oil prices for drilling in the USA, and remember to to tie it to blue collar jobs that can't be exported. Show some roughnecks drilling for oil. Explain how it can help reduce the tax burden as well by providing royalties.
Plus run on opening some nuclear power plants - its green, its blue collar jobs, we need electricity...
Posted by: Sexypig at June 02, 2009 10:13 PM (co12+)
>Me, I'm going to keep my eyes on Christ, there's hope in Him.
He raised the dead...
REAGAN 2012
Posted by: Jones at June 02, 2009 10:13 PM (KOkrW)
Posted by: T DUB at June 02, 2009 10:13 PM (B8gqF)
Hmm, eating our own? as in where would anybody get the idea to eat Sarah Palin?
Accidental rhapsodies occur in this moment. Must stop naughty thoughts!
Posted by: Cowboy at June 02, 2009 10:14 PM (odnDW)
So I pulled the lever again for Palin.
What can I say - I recover quickly.
Posted by: krakatoa at June 02, 2009 10:15 PM (n4Su9)
Posted by: LAsue at June 02, 2009 10:15 PM (pYouB)
>My concern is that she does have some image rehabbing to do
other than the 'image' created by the liberal press, to what do you refer?
Posted by: Jones at June 02, 2009 10:15 PM (KOkrW)
That's the way to go. Personally, I can't wait to see Christ rip out the limbs of these so-called moderates. I'll root Him on. Wooooo!
Posted by: Corona at June 02, 2009 10:16 PM (InjUv)
Unfortunately, I agree. I like Palin, she was the reason I was able to convince myself to vote for McCain instead of some completely worthless protest vote. But I know a lot of smart professional women who HATE her - I work with them. They're not far lefties but center - left, and I don't know if it's her willingness to live her values through having Trig, her beauty, her self-made success, or just wanting to drink the Obama Kool-Aid, but they are irrational about her.
On one hand, what else can they throw at her, if she runs again we'll have already heard such awful stuff that maybe it'll all just be noise that gets ignored. On the other hand I think she'll have a very hard time winning the center (and certainly left ) female vote.
I don't like Huckabee, I think Jindal will get tarred with some of the same anti-Christian stuff as Palin, Romney has never been a favorite (though his business experience is certainly looking like a plus at this point), so it I'm gonna vote for unrealistic candidates - I still want teh Fred
Posted by: there can be too much of a good thing at June 02, 2009 10:17 PM (uJBct)
Posted by: muffy at June 02, 2009 10:17 PM (zplc6)
Posted by: tmi3rd at June 02, 2009 10:18 PM (MLaAD)
I share the same concern, but she has been keeping herself relevant by issuing intelligent statements about current events—the murder of George Tiller, for example—which, though they receive little media attention, have got to be worth something. At the very least, she's nailing down her stances on issues and getting herself on the record as consistent and coherent.
Whether anyone will dredge these statements up and successfully use them to bolster or improve her image in a few years, however, remains to be seen.
Posted by: Fortunate Son at June 02, 2009 10:18 PM (FaLC9)
Seriously, this is why I think Romney, because we may need Palin in 2016 when the MSM will be exhausted and ridiculed.
Posted by: Sexypig at June 02, 2009 10:18 PM (co12+)
Remember 1 other thing, in '12 it will be a referendum on O, regardless of the candidate.
Posted by: The Hammer at June 02, 2009 10:18 PM (YBTwf)
I hope my massive fucking sarcasm was detectable there? Good. If fuckers like them have become the kingmakers in the Republican Party, I don't wanna belong anymore.
Qwinn
Posted by: Qwinn at June 02, 2009 10:19 PM (/y1J0)
Posted by: tmi3rd at June 02, 2009 10:20 PM (MLaAD)
Posted by: gordo at June 02, 2009 09:42 PM (GkYyh)
McCain cost Palin the election, not the other way around... she was the only thing keeping him from losing by double digits.
Posted by: Watcher at June 02, 2009 10:21 PM (peaA2)
I know a lot of smart professional women who HATE her -
"Smart professional women" tend to be moonbats, I've noticed. So I expect they will hate anybody with an R after their name. It's the extensive college indoctrination.
Posted by: flenser at June 02, 2009 10:21 PM (kDzov)
Those are the people I'm talking about. And I don't see them ever coming over to Palin. I'd give a lot to see Fred in the White House. I worked my ass off for him for months . . . I was in the audience at Leno when he announced . . . but he just doesn't seem to have that fire in the belly.
Posted by: CB at June 02, 2009 10:24 PM (9Wv2j)
what asshole voted for the huckster?
I did. Mind you, I did it to wind Gabe up. But I'm bemused by the level of hatred for Huck. He's no worse than McAmnesty, for instance.
Posted by: flenser at June 02, 2009 10:24 PM (kDzov)
Posted by: tmi3rd at June 02, 2009 10:25 PM (MLaAD)
I know a lot of smart professional women who HATE her -
"Smart professional women" tend to be moonbats, I've noticed. So I expect they will hate anybody with an R after their name. It's the extensive college indoctrination.
Posted by: flenser at June 02, 2009 10:21 PM (kDzov)"
They "HATE" Palin cause she is the Governor of Alaska, has a great supportive husbsnd and is raising 5 kids, successfully. She is everything they aren't and will never be cause those "smart professional women" for the most part are self absorbed and self centered and are having children cause, as one said to me, "the more children you have the more wealthy it shows you are" Tery working with that bunch of losers everyday and not wanting to run away. The question you should be asking is not "what do you think of Sarah Palin" but "did you even bother to vote?"
Posted by: muffy at June 02, 2009 10:25 PM (zplc6)
tmi3rd
I think a lot of the shit thrown at Palin was due to cultural prejudice by the MSM- remember that famous cartoon in the New Yorker magazine that depicted Manhattan as pretty much the center of the universe? The fact that Palin is from Alaska (about as far from Manhattan as you can get) was just the jumping off point for attacks- the piling on was swift and ugly.
Also, if Palin is such a lightweight, why do so many expend so much energy and vitriol attacking her? I think it's because they know She Has Something- and they need to kill it before it becomes President.
Posted by: Jones at June 02, 2009 10:26 PM (KOkrW)
Posted by: DaMav at June 02, 2009 10:26 PM (W2KIY)
Posted by: Kensington at June 02, 2009 10:26 PM (i02zG)
With my tinfoil hat on, this all looks like a vast left-wing conspiracy; by getting us riled up about 2012, we'll somehow overlook 2010, which is many ways far more crucial to our national well-being.
We can't let this happen. These bullshit, speculative polls are just a smokescreen, a distraction. Granted, I'm not sure how much I can do to help out in 2010 while living in Michigan (except in the gubernatorial race), but that, not the next Presidential contest, should be receiving the bulk of our energy.
Posted by: Fortunate Son at June 02, 2009 10:27 PM (FaLC9)
People tend to forget the savage treatment both Nixon and Reagan received before winning the Presidency.
Nixon came back to win by rounding up support and favors within the party. Reagan almost by sheer force of will and the ability and will to speak around the media.
Palin can do both if she's serious about 2012.
As far as talking to women about Palin: an example. My sister leans center left and about four months ago out of the blue started trash-talking Palin. "Palin's stupid. Palin's an idiot, etc."
So, I led her through Palin's political career, while reminding her that Palin did this on her own, that she had no big money behind her and how she earned her governor's post step by step. Then asked her if this is the record of a dumb bimbo.
She admitted no. Now she's a Palin fan.
It can be done.
Posted by: The Commissar of Love at June 02, 2009 10:28 PM (oEAm5)
"I don't get the Palin thing, just can't understand it. Her choice as VP may have cost McCain at least any chance of being elected "
Yes, McCain was so popular that he drew crowds of 300 before Palin joined the ticket. And, he ran such a great campaign. Suspending the campaign was a stroke of genius. How's life in the parallel universe?
Posted by: bc3 at June 02, 2009 10:29 PM (jqZr+)
They "HATE" Palin cause she is the Governor of Alaska, ..
Those same women hated Bush, and it had nothing to do with being Governor of Alaska of any of that other stuff. People like that take their cues from the media.
Posted by: flenser at June 02, 2009 10:29 PM (kDzov)
tmi3rd if by rehabbing her image you mean getting on the Sunday shows and writing opeds and doing policy speeches, I agree-
the personal stuff- her daughter, Trig, all that nastiness- that is the MSM's modus operandi and will never change- the media shot their wad on that in '08
Posted by: Jones at June 02, 2009 10:29 PM (KOkrW)
Hey! I R a (relatively) smart professional woman! And your point is well taken. I went to school before it was complete liberal indoctrination, and it still took a few years before I came to my senses. But, if we're going to win, we need some of those female votes and as far as I can tell they're completely off the deep end over Palin.
Posted by: there can be too much of a good thing at June 02, 2009 10:30 PM (uJBct)
Posted by: tmi3rd at June 02, 2009 10:30 PM (MLaAD)
Those smart, professional women may...just might...have a bug up their arses about how Palin didn't have to sell her soul for an ivy league education, yet still, through good old-fashioned hard work and gumption, pulled herself to the highest position of power in one of these United States. She doesn't have to act or dress like a man and she didn't sacrifice a family to do it either. Basically, Palin was able to do what all the 'feminists' say can't be done: She managed to have it all. Sure, there have been bumps along the rode, those occur in all of our lives, but she pulled it off. And, now, after being torn to shreds by the MSM at every opportunity, after being betrayed by her own campaign, after being sued to the umpteenth degree, and after...mostly...returning to her home state and receding from public view, she still manages to garner a decent number of votes.
Don't count her out.
Posted by: jmflynny at June 02, 2009 10:30 PM (gmwku)
Posted by: Tom in Korea at June 02, 2009 10:32 PM (9H4sW)
The circumlocution is her achilles heel.
The folksiness is just fine-- but get to the fucking point.
Posted by: benjamin at June 02, 2009 10:33 PM (jjlGZ)
Posted by: tangonine at June 02, 2009 10:34 PM (C8Pcc)
Posted by: T DUB at June 02, 2009 10:35 PM (B8gqF)
Posted by: CB at June 02, 2009 10:37 PM (9Wv2j)
Well, she is the only front-runner who, you know, actually has a fucking job. Go look at her twitter page, she's busier than fuck and she's working her ass off. It actually takes hard work and lots of time to run the largest state in the union. Huckster and Mittens have lots of free time to fuck around and play footsy with the media. Huckster even has his own media outlet. Also, regarding The Dope From Hope: That miserable piece of shit just went to some dinner with Axlerod, Couric, and Helen Thomas and joked with them about the fictitious "I can see Russia from my house" lie and other Palin-bashing jokes. Any Republican who laughs along and doesn't correct the record regarding that is miserable, lying sack of dogshit, and if I ever meet that ugly, stupid, incompetent RINO cocholster I'll punch him in the throat.
Posted by: ol_dirty_/b/tard at June 02, 2009 10:37 PM (qhQAn)
Basically, Palin was able to do what all the 'feminists' say can't be done: She managed to have it all.
I think you're giving the anti-Palin women way too much credit. They don't know enough about her to even form the thoughts you attribute to them. Their view of Palin is the one the media implanted in their brains - that Palin is an empty headed bimbo and probably a "religious fundamentalist".
Posted by: flenser at June 02, 2009 10:38 PM (kDzov)
Posted by: UncleFacts at June 02, 2009 10:39 PM (vZVv7)
Okay, who are the three asshats who voted Huckabee?
Posted by: Emily M. at June 02, 2009 10:40 PM (YRZrT)
I'm no preacher, and won't try hard to prove the future, but look at the scene. Sarah Palin has become a politician almost apologetically, it seems as if someone said to her,"Don't complain if you can't do better!" Then she went out and did better. She is what the framers had in mind as politicians. It was to be a part time contribution that came from the heart, not a career. Many people are now saying that the two national parties are becoming more like two cards from the same suit than opposite sides of a coin. Forty years ago, both parties were more conservative than either are now. Think how many old Democrats you have known and respected in regular life, that is if you are old enough to know what an old democrat was like. Just like Reagan said, their party moved away from them, not vise versa. That is why so many of the old ones moved to Reagan. We need to take the available party, the Republican Party, and turn it back into a conservative platform. And as was mentioned before, put social issues into the Federalism Plank. People want the ability to control these issues on a local basis anyhow. This is way more long winded and rambling than I would like, but I think that Palin will grass-roots show the party how to be conservative, and how to walk the walk.
Posted by: Notsomebodyelse at June 02, 2009 10:41 PM (XUeYy)
Romney - yeah too fake. But, he's got great hair. If I could vote just for Romney's hair, I'd do it.
Jindal - what can I say, his post-SOTU speech was just awful. That's all I can really judge him by as of right now.
Pawlenty - umm, he's a Minnesota Republican. 'Nuff said.
Gingrich - smart guy, but unreliable on AGW and damaged goods nonetheless. Plus, he just has too much of that professorial mentality. That is not a good thing to have in a president. You want a guy who is going to make tough decisions, not a guy who is going to call a faculty meeting every time there's a problem.
Cantor - DC insider. Doesn't matter how much good he does right now.
Palin - yes hot MILF, yes she's a reformer, yes she'd be great in DC kicking some ass, but honestly at this point she's damaged goods too. People are right, the MSM will character assassinate whomever we put forth, but let's at least give ourselves a chance by putting forth someone about whom the voting public don't already have a well-entrenched opinion. Make the MSM have to work hard to try to destroy our candidate instead of handing them damaged goods on a silver platter.
Huckabee - no f'ing way. I'd vote for Biden over Huckaboob. No really.
Posted by: chemjeff at June 02, 2009 10:41 PM (wy+AE)
Posted by: tmi3rd at June 02, 2009 10:41 PM (MLaAD)
If I wanted a candidate who wants to change the constitution and bring it into accordance with God's law, I'd go with Huck. If I wanted a candidate who has flip-flopped, or "evolved," on virtually every position since he ran a liberal state, Romney would be my guy. They are both a disaster. If you are a Republican supporting them, what the fuck is your deal?
Posted by: The Oort Cloud at June 02, 2009 10:42 PM (nOQXA)
He's no worse than McAmnesty
haha...that should be his tagline in the primary.
every time i look at that guy i see elmer gantry reincarnated.
Posted by: evil libertarian at June 02, 2009 10:43 PM (/LywR)
Posted by: tangonine at June 02, 2009 10:43 PM (C8Pcc)
Posted by: chemjeff at June 02, 2009 10:43 PM (wy+AE)
Posted by: tmi3rd at June 02, 2009 10:44 PM (MLaAD)
Sanford is underrated. Politically he's probably closer to what the rights wants than any of the others. Of course, he is a white man from a southern state.
Huckabee - no f'ing way. I'd vote for Biden over Huckaboob. No really.
See what I mean? People have this bizarre thing about Huckabee.
Posted by: flenser at June 02, 2009 10:45 PM (kDzov)
Posted by: chemjeff at June 02, 2009 10:45 PM (wy+AE)
Romney's Hair/Cheney's Cock 2012
Wow.
Just wow.
I think you have every demographic covered there.
Posted by: shibumi at June 02, 2009 10:45 PM (OKZrE)
The circumlocution is her achilles heel.
The folksiness is just fine-- but get to the fucking point."
Um, uh, uh, I uh, agree. Er, uh, uh, now hold on, hold on, wait a minute. Uh, she should, um, get one of them, uh, prompters. You know, um, uh, that teleprompter thingy. 'Cause uh, uh, um, that shows competence.
Posted by: Barack Obama, Reader in Chief at June 02, 2009 10:46 PM (swuwV)
I'm betting I can distract her with a stick of butter at key moments during the primaries...
Posted by: UncleFacts at June 02, 2009 10:47 PM (vZVv7)
Posted by: polynikes at June 02, 2009 10:47 PM (ztlAR)
Posted by: Tony LaVanway at June 02, 2009 10:47 PM (EPE/m)
Mitt Romney
Eric Cantor
Mike Huckabee
Sarah Palin
Mark Sanford
Newt Gingrich
Tim Pawlenty
Bobby Jindal
These are our only choices? Shit, maybe the GOP really is screwed....
Posted by: Freq'Sho at June 02, 2009 10:47 PM (voIlD)
I'll tell ya, flenser, what really pisses me off the most about Huckabee is that he just reinforces every stupid leftwing stereotype about conservatives, that we're all a bunch of religious Bible-thumping fundamentalist neanderthals. If he wasn't a walking parody then I'd give him more respect.
Posted by: chemjeff at June 02, 2009 10:48 PM (wy+AE)
I'm betting I can distract her with a stick of butter at key moments during the primaries...
Squirrel!
Posted by: chemjeff at June 02, 2009 10:48 PM (wy+AE)
He just announced in the last couple of days. The fact that Ohio dems are going all out makes me wonder just how nervous they are about Kasich.
He worked for that evil Lehman Bros.!
He supported George W. Bush!
He had a show on Fox News!
I saw him at one of the industry events I attended last year.
Yum.
Posted by: jmflynny at June 02, 2009 10:49 PM (gmwku)
My concern is that she does have some image rehabbing to do, and I'm not convinced she has the time to do it. I'm willing to be convinced- tell me why I'm wrong in my concerns.
Damn, you need to stop in at Conservatives4Palin.com. You'll see all you want. There's a current post up about the $1 BILLION she cut from the previous admin's budget. Alaska's unemployment rate just dropped three points, and Palin's anklebiter legislature, bought and paid for by O, are sitting around trying to decide if they should try to override her spendulous rejection of 28 million energy dollars!
Jebus, Mittens was reported to have made a campaign stop for Christie in Jersey and drew a whopping 50 people. Palin comes to Evansville, IN, for a right to life speech and they have to block off the streets.
SarahPac has the beltway crowd sweating bullets. They'll release their numbers on July 1. Get ready for a shockwave. You wanna talk kingmaker? They're gonna be groveling at her feet for campaign appearances. All of the folks at C4P who gave to the Alaska Fund Trust (to help with legal defense funds) got handwritten notes from the woman!
She's doing a fundraiser on Long Island this weekend for an independent living home. Wanna guess how many thousands are going to show up?
Her initial numbers for a September campaign rally in Richmond were forecast at 6,000. The (ever-more liberal by the day) Richmond Times-Dispatch grudgingly put the crowd at 20,000!
If you want to know about the gov, go to C4P. You'll be pleasantly surprised.
Posted by: rushbabe at June 02, 2009 10:49 PM (LKkE8)
And honestly, you "oh sarah's a MILF and can't get it done" fuckrags should be shot. I'll personally line you up.
Fucking losers. Man up you douchebags and supports someone instead of fucking whining around "oh she's damaged goods" You scared she's going to buy all your dresses? pussies.
Well, motherfucker, are you stepping up? No, I didn't think so. Shut the fuck up.
The republican party has turned into.... YOU. You whiney little fuckers. I'm ashamed I ever called myself a repulican. Pussies.
"sarah is bad! we don't like her... " boo fucking hoo.
Posted by: tangonine at June 02, 2009 10:49 PM (C8Pcc)
@245 what really pisses me off the most about Huckabee is that he just reinforces every stupid leftwing stereotype about conservatives, that we're all a bunch of religious Bible-thumping fundamentalist neanderthals. If he wasn't a walking parody then I'd give him more respect.
Amen. He should relegate his whitebread, semi-bass-playing schtick to TV.
Posted by: Capt. Numbstick at June 02, 2009 10:52 PM (voIlD)
Posted by: tmi3rd at June 02, 2009 10:52 PM (MLaAD)
If he were a woman, he'd be wise enough to be president.
Posted by: pbrown at June 02, 2009 10:53 PM (rTGYp)
Well, I'd personally like to see Mitch Daniels added to the list. I thought his commencement speech was teh awesome. And from what I hear he's doing some good things in Indiana. He got re-elected in 2008 against a tidal wave of idiot Obama voters in his state so that's saying something.
Posted by: chemjeff at June 02, 2009 10:53 PM (wy+AE)
Lileks on Huckabee: he just strikes me as one of those fellows who’ll treat you with respect and friendship and good cheer, and you know he thinks you’re going to hell.
Posted by: Cincinnatus at June 02, 2009 10:54 PM (K5AMb)
But on Palin... Her problem is the way she was handled by the McCain campaign. When I was trying to figure out who the GOP should pick for veep last August, I landed on 2 people, her and John Kasich. Her story, her reformer background, and her outsider experience is an asset - and it was almost totally ignored by the McCain campaign beyond the convention speech. After that, the MSM turned her into Tina Fey's impression of her, with the McCain campaign only validating it by taking both of them to the damn show. Go on youtube (if it's still there) and watch her debate Frank Murkowski. Listen to her talk about Alaska and general issues. Same delivery, greater passion than during the campaign. That was what attracted me to her before she was picked.
The timing of the pick, which seemed brilliant at the time, became a problem long-term. Imagine the life that would've went into the campaign had McCain picked her this time last year? Yes, the Dems would've had more time to pick her apart as they would any candidate, but the public would've had more time to vet her as well. By the election, we'd heard from the inexperienced Democrat candidate for almost 2 years. The public heard of Sarah Palin for 2 months, and pointed to either the SNL character or her ABC/CBS interviews, and decided she was too "simple" for the job, or too much of a cheerleader type, as if it was enough of an excuse to vote for the other side, beyond the non-Bush factor. Nothing was done by the McCain team to prevent this. This is what she has to prove now in the next 3 years before the Iowa caucus, that she can be a heavy hitter as some of you already suggested. She just needs to be the same candidate she was when she fought for the AK Governor's seat.
I did mention Kasich as well, I think whoever gets the 2012 nod, if he wins the OH Governor's seat next year, he should be the de facto VP pick. I'm not ready to elevate him back to the presidential stage... yet.
Posted by: Doc at June 02, 2009 10:54 PM (AghBu)
@247 The fact that Ohio dems are going all out makes me wonder just how nervous they are about Kasich.
Didn't Kasich run back in 2000 and get his ass handed to him in the primaries? I like him personally, but I just don't see him as Presidential material. Something about his presentation is just too . . . disheveled or something.
Posted by: Capt. Numbstick at June 02, 2009 10:56 PM (voIlD)
Posted by: Mætenloch at June 02, 2009 10:57 PM (YRmyX)
Well, that's not what I said anyway. I do like Sarah. I don't think she is bad. But she is damaged goods because of the last campaign. That doesn't mean she can't rise above it, but it's going to be a harder task for us to have to rise someone out of a hole than it would be for us to present someone who is brand new to the stage, like a Sanford, or even a Pawlenty or a Jindal, whom the MSM has not yet character assassinated.
Posted by: chemjeff at June 02, 2009 10:58 PM (wy+AE)
Posted by: CB at June 02, 2009 10:58 PM (9Wv2j)
Then, it's Meghan's turn.
I'm betting I can distract her with a stick of butter at key moments during the primaries...
Thread winna!
Posted by: rushbabe at June 02, 2009 10:59 PM (LKkE8)
I think (dangerous that), that those of us who express strong support for Governor Palin, like her because she seems to be a real person. There are so many phony politicians populating the landscape that Sarah stands out for her realness.
I wouldn't be surprised to find that many feel the same as I do; I want Sarah as President, but I'd really just wish she could live a simple happy life and come out and encourage us every once in a while.
But dammit if she runs, I'll do as much as I can to help her.
Posted by: solitary knight at June 02, 2009 11:00 PM (Dn70+)
@257 I wouldn't go so far as to say Jundal looks like a child molester, but in photos he definitely comes off as a bit goofy.
I had interest in Jindal due to all the hype he'd garnered -- until I saw his ridiculous TV appearance. Man, what a disaster. He'd really have to bone up on the whole "looking credible" thing.
Posted by: Capt. Numbstick at June 02, 2009 11:00 PM (voIlD)
Posted by: publicserf at June 02, 2009 11:00 PM (P6Zpz)
I've seen his show on Fox and wasn't all that impressed. He seemed like a jerk sometimes, and I didn't see any great charisma to make up for it.
Posted by: Mætenloch at June 02, 2009 11:02 PM (YRmyX)
Gov. Henry of Oklahoma?
Sen. Johanns of Nebraska?
Gov. Perry of Texas?
(that one might get a few responses, I'm thinking...)
Posted by: chemjeff at June 02, 2009 11:02 PM (wy+AE)
Posted by: g at June 02, 2009 11:03 PM (FAYNo)
@265
Gov. Henry of Oklahoma?
Sen. Johanns of Nebraska?
Gov. Perry of Texas?
(that one might get a few responses, I'm thinking...)
Jon Kyl of Arizona?
Posted by: Capt. Numbstick at June 02, 2009 11:05 PM (voIlD)
The only people I think she trusts completely are her inner circle: Lt. Gov. Sean Parnell, Meg Stapleton, Bill McAllister, Kirsten Cole, and Pam Pryor. They all fight for her every day and I think she trusts them completely.
Outside of that:
For one, Fred Malek. He's the guy who vetted her for the VP spot and said she nailed every answer in the interviews. He thinks she's brilliant and adores her. He's an old-school Reagan guy who wields a lot of power in DC circles.
Next, Fred Thompson and his wife Jeri. She was one of the founders of TeamSarah.org. They're close friends.
John Bolton seems to like her and he's a big get.
Liz Cheney said Sarah's teriffic. She supported Romney, but she seems like a straight shooter and I think Sarah would be safe trusting her.
One of McCain's other top foreign policy guys, Randy Scheunaman, was very vociferous in defending her, saying all the rumors Carl Cameron put forth on Fox were bullshit.
Next, Michael Steele. I know he's fucked up a few times, but they like and trust each other.
Her and Mark Sanford seem to have a pretty friendly relationship. Same thing with the governor of ND, he invited her to be the keynote speaker at the big IOCC meeting in Bismarck this summer. Rick Perry and her are friendly as well, and she endorsed him over Kay Barely Republican for TX gov.
Barry Goldwater Junior was on Beck earlier and he's a huge Palin fan. She owns most of talk radio: Rush, Beck, Laura Ingraham, Tammy Bruce, Micheal Medved, Dennis Miller, and Mark Levin all love her.
There are people she can trust, but she needs to be really careful to keep people like Nicole Wallace as far away as possible.
Posted by: ol_dirty_/b/tard at June 02, 2009 11:06 PM (qhQAn)
Posted by: Jones at June 02, 2009 11:10 PM (KOkrW)
Posted by: CB at June 02, 2009 11:11 PM (9Wv2j)
Floofy's forgetting that Mitt cheered when Obama fired the GM CEO, well maybe the fact that his family was part of American Motors had something to do with it. Mitt could've had the nomination, but he wasn't willing to commit the time or the money. And of course, Huck sandbagged him, because he was a Mormon, staying in the race, until McCain's rivals were all out. Who he more than anything is responsible for McCain's nomination. Theonly good thing McCain did during the campaign was pick Palin, and then the rest of his campaign screwed it up by sending her to Couric and Gibson, who edited her interviews with a razor blade, and then they sent Tina Fey after her. She still campaigned like if the fate of the nation was at stake, something tells me her instincts were right on that score. So thanks to Obama, a good deal of those professional woman will be out of work, the Fey line about they can see Russia from her house, will be cold comfort.
Posted by: ian cormac at June 02, 2009 11:13 PM (GkYyh)
No. The state remains conservative and is considered a bastion of anti-Democratism (though it did shift a bit more Left while Obama was being escorted in); however, all things are relative. Perry is essentially George Bush redux. Perry dances Right for political expedience and appears to be conservative, but don't let that fool you. He can be squishy. He's benefitting from the diversity of industry that is Texas amidst an economic downturn. Perry could be acceptable, but there are better options. I'd scour OK and AK (well, Palin specifically) before TX.
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at June 02, 2009 11:27 PM (swuwV)
Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at June 02, 2009 11:36 PM (ppbCV)
As many others have said, the MSM will firebomb whoever the GOP nominee is, and I think the "can't we all just get along" types would find out the hard way, just like Juan McCain did. McCain thought they were gonna kiss his ass thanks to all his love-ins with various reporters, Teddy Kennedy, and John Kerry. But nope - he was obstructing Bambi, so he had to be destroyed. Palin is really the only one who has gone through this (Huckabee's sabotage of Mitt was dirty, but hardly on the same scale), and Palin's "scandals" are old news.
I guess what I'm trying to say here is the assault she underwent from the MSM might actually be her biggest positive - IF she can turn it to her advantage like Uncle Ronnie did.
FWIW, Newt knows the MSM's tactics too, having been the victim of the second biggest US political smear campaign of all time in 1995, but he has more baggage than a group of backpacking kleptomaniac college kids in Europe.
Posted by: fiatboomer at June 02, 2009 11:36 PM (FQXHJ)
Posted by: Jana at June 02, 2009 11:36 PM (PJY4R)
Posted by: fiatboomer at June 02, 2009 11:39 PM (FQXHJ)
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Posted by: JB at June 02, 2009 11:53 PM (xL7di)
I am a 40ish,active (read: you can't keep up w/ me in the mountains, big NY boys who read Outside mag cause you think yer neat )
big godammmmm fan of Ms. Palin. You caint keep up wit her. no way/ no how.
She's a got my vote. She is. the . future. of the conservative party. I am proud....
PROUD....that you old farts wuuda likka to bedder. bed her. Cause she can fukkin take' em all down.
Fuck you east coast/santa barbara- shit heads. Shiiiteeeds is what we call ya. And remember.... I saw yer mercedes in the parkin' lot at costco t'day.... Looooooose them California plates before summon rips em off yer car, dude. Fukkrs. Say we are soooo provencial. Reality, big guys. get the fuck out or convert. Convert er die, big boys. Don't be comin' to the western interior and think yer gonna be some game changin' radical. Think target on yer head. Big Boy.
Sarah, sarah. SARAH. I am you. You are me. Go Go go. GO!
Posted by: Derak at June 03, 2009 12:06 AM (kF05B)
1) Sarah Palin -- basically: See, I told you so.
2) Bobby Jindal -- don't count him out yet. His budget cutting dorkiness may be a plus after 4 spendthrift years of Obama.
3) Mitt Romney -- obviously , economic expertise.
4) Mark Sanford -- defends free market ideas, stood up to Obama.
Posted by: JB at June 03, 2009 12:06 AM (xL7di)
Posted by: wooga at June 03, 2009 12:11 AM (IhzyJ)
Posted by: wooga at June 03, 2009 12:11 AM (IhzyJ)
I love Fred, and if I had the chance ot vote for him it would have been the first time I ever voted FOR someone instead of against the other guy... but he's too old and too sick to even consider nominating for a lifetime appointment like that. But he's definitely someone to go to for advice on who to pick, and he'd probably tell you himself to pick someone else.
Posted by: Watcher at June 03, 2009 12:26 AM (peaA2)
Just in case some ass hat lefty tries to pawn off a Tina Fey quote from an SNL sketch as an actual Sarah Palin quote; just point them here.
GIBSON: What insight into Russian actions, particularly in the last couple of weeks, does the proximity of the state give you?
PALIN: They're our next door neighbors and you can actually see Russia from land here in Alaska, from an island in Alaska.
Posted by: Jim from San Diego at June 03, 2009 12:32 AM (H7Rlw)
Posted by: heshtesh at June 03, 2009 12:44 AM (7gmzz)
Posted by: sifty at June 03, 2009 12:46 AM (H2TlM)
Michael Steele has become an embarrassment and I hope he is fired before August. Don't know what turned him wrong, but half of the time Michael Steele has his foot in his mouth, bashing his own party. The other half he has his lips planted firmly on some lefty media twit's ass.
I don't want him or John McCain within miles of the ticket in '12.
McCain's only contribution during his campaign was to bring Sarah out into the limelight.
Otherwise the campaign was a train wreck. Everyone on that McCain team behind the scenes should be fucking living in a cardboard box and eating out of a dumpster for forcing this know-nothing neophyte on this country. They shouldn't be allowed to go to the GOP convention and sell peanuts.
If you can't beat a fucking racist, communist, America-hating, George Soros Manchurian Candidate mutherfucker like Obama with a decorated war hero you need to go live on a very small island and flog yourself with barbed wire for the rest of your life.
This is not just nostalgia talking. We need a Reagan. And fast.
Posted by: sifty at June 03, 2009 01:03 AM (H2TlM)
Posted by: fiatboomer at June 03, 2009 01:06 AM (FQXHJ)
Posted by: sifty at June 03, 2009 01:09 AM (H2TlM)
Palin
or
Palin, but she needs some work done.
Hmmmm, maybe I should throw her some bucks. You know it costs money to defeat the DemSM.
Posted by: Sexypig at June 03, 2009 01:11 AM (co12+)
And whoever Meghan McCain likes the most should be immediately thrown under the bus. At one point she was hyping Jon Huntsman, the governor of Utah... so he can go fuck himself as far as I'm concerned.
Posted by: Watcher at June 03, 2009 01:21 AM (peaA2)
Posted by: sifty at June 03, 2009 01:31 AM (H2TlM)
Posted by: sifty at June 03, 2009 01:31 AM (H2TlM)
Women, even Lefty women (that's most of them) LIKE Mitt Romney. He's handsome, smooth, rich, comes from a rich, blue blood family, lives in Massachussets, not a frontier, remote state like Alaska. He probably knows Matt Damon and Ben Affleck and Jennifer Garner. Yeah, those things matter for women. Meanwhile, most guys, PARTICULARLY blue collar guys, hate him. Because he's perfectly handsome, rich, a blue blood, from Massachussets.
Huckabee (who I have a lot of reservations about), is slick, folksy, can relate to both men and women. Women like his smooth patter, his gentle and "I feel your pain" Bubba-esque riffs, while guys appreciate his down-home manner and his pains to put himself as no better than them, something Romney by habit always does (which accounts for why women love him).
That worked for Obama in the Primary and the General. Women LOVED him being, basically, the Rockstar A-hole. Single Women voted for him 70-29. The bigger the Rockstar or Old Money A-hole a politician is, the more women love him ... and the more men hate him.
McCain snuck in, because first Dems crossed over to vote for him in Open Primaries, and second because Romney and Huckabee knocked each other off and McCain was "acceptable" to both sexes in a fairly Male-oriented Republican Party.
I love Palin, but nominating her and Obama's re-elected, even if he's praying five times a day towards Mecca after Pakistan and Iraq nuke half our cities into cinders. Women will NEVER vote for her, no matter how much guys like me love her. Women hate her for the reasons I love her. She could win the nomination (most Republican women are older, married, and love her). But lose all over again like McCain because women for the most part hate her.
Romney -- Republican blue collar men don't trust him (and that's the core of the party). He's not winning the nomination. Huckabee's a serious contender, he can bash Obama all day on class/regional/cultural issues near and dear to the Party's core. Women like him. [I have serious issues with him though.]
The guy I hope runs and wins is Mark Sanford. A sitting Governor, smart, understands domestic spending issues intimately, can EXPLAIN THEM clearly, and offers a credible, easily understood philosophical alternative to Obama's "Liberal Fascism" which IMHO should be the name of what Obama is trying to do to the US economy.
Posted by: whiskey at June 03, 2009 01:44 AM (t3UKO)
Posted by: chris at June 03, 2009 01:57 AM (nYumm)
I get the identity/visceral dislike BS, but I wonder if it will matter when the majority of the population is netting stray animals for food and someone who's NOT BHO is available to hold office.
Posted by: kal at June 03, 2009 02:53 AM (nqNiu)
Palin has the support of the NRA, Rush Limbaugh, AoS morons and the Lace Wig industry. An unbeatable combination.
Posted by: Former Mayor of Wasilla at June 03, 2009 03:19 AM (FD3EH)
Look for some complete unknown, in the populist libertarian mold of Palin, perhaps, but I wouldn't be so certain that they will be anyone from the present political class. Not at all. I would be surprised if it were a politician. Not shocked, but surprised.
Expect a Soccer Mom, or a T-Ball Dad, even a farmer general.
Of course, at the moment the future is pretty gray and uncertain. We may be required to tolerate the current paradigms for a few more years, after all. It is not that I am unsure of the outcome. It is just a matter of timing.
If we do end up looking at a Palin presidency in 2012, be very aware that she is no conservative. She's not even a neo-con. She's a conservative libertarian. There is a world of difference.
Posted by: Cigarette Man at June 03, 2009 03:32 AM (FoHqy)
My fellow Mobys love anyone but Pallin. In fact Palin is so evil the GOP couldn't survive if they select her. Why not go with a proven winner, like McCain but don't even think about Palin if you want to win.
Remember we love the GOP, don't pick Palin.
Posted by: T DUB at June 03, 2009 03:35 AM (B8gqF)
Sarah Palin. Because she makes the left squirm and the squishies worry for their jobs.
Sarah Palin. Because we deserve to piss off the muslim extremists by having a strong woman with thighs of steel crush Ahminneedofajihad into dust.
Sarah Palin. She's just plain out a bitchin' babe.
Posted by: Pipe Barackage at June 03, 2009 03:41 AM (Z9IOH)
Posted by: Pipe Barackage at June 03, 2009 03:44 AM (Z9IOH)
Excellent point. Aren't we in the Age of Black Swans?
I don't even believe conservatism has to make a come back through the party system (i.e. the Republican party). Putting sufficient grassroots pressure on both parties in D.C. can substantially change the course of US politics.
"How?" you may ask. One possibility is that the misery index gets so bad that the percentage of self-identifying independents grows significantly and grassroots organizations will become more influential than the party system. At that point, movements might have a de facto veto on either of the party candidates and be able to extract "Contract with America" type pledges for election.
The two-party system is a dead-end; independents need to be powerful enough and organized enough to be game-changers.
Posted by: JB at June 03, 2009 04:56 AM (xL7di)
And here's a "dark horse" name to throw out for Palin's VP pick: Michele Bachmann from MN
Or if you're going for teh hawtest ticket evah, Jeri Thompson!
Posted by: GrayLoess at June 03, 2009 05:10 AM (eifYH)
If these women are so smart how come they were so easily duped by the smooth-talking bad-boy who is beating them, their children and grandchildren to a bloody pulp.
And just how much of a sucker are you for believing that these women are smart after knowing they are so stupid that they slobber all over the smooth-talking bad-boy who is beating these women, their children and grandchildren to a bolldy pulp?
I like Gov Palin because all the stupid professional hags who need Big Daddy's beatings hate her and as a woamn I want nothing to do with dumb hags who slobber all over the smooth-talking bad-boy or the castrated men who comply with her stupid hagery.
Those who think they are 'moderate and independent' are more often spineless and mushy, or rather cowardly since they followed the stupid hags who are slobbering all over the One who is beating pilliage them.
Posted by: syn at June 03, 2009 05:46 AM (7mgBe)
Hmm....well.... Independents bought into Obama-Biden.
Enough said.
Posted by: syn at June 03, 2009 05:51 AM (7mgBe)
This is what Independent and moderates voted for and put into power yet I am suppose to believe that Moderate and Independent voters are highly prized and cherished.
Here is the thing about Moderate and Independent voters...their lives, their freedoms and their future are as much at stake as is our lives, our freedoms and our future.
If Independents and Moderates want to continue screwing themselves, their children and grandchildren then by all means vote against wise Conservatives such Gov Palin who possesses both private sector and public sector experience.
And she loves America for the shining city on the hill that is America and not the third-world shit-hole the smooth-talking bad-boy is changing it into.
Posted by: syn at June 03, 2009 06:10 AM (7mgBe)
"So, have you had enough "change" yet?"
effectively.
Posted by: Purple Avenger at June 03, 2009 06:34 AM (C+8DG)
Posted by: Jean at June 03, 2009 06:41 AM (HmCnI)
Let's not forget Alaska's location for missile defense capabilities and its tremendous supplies of oil/natural gas. Gov. Palin is uniquely qualified to hit Obama on those issues.
She'll need a great running mate, of course. Fred Thompson would be perfect.
Posted by: Jeri from Tennessee at June 03, 2009 06:43 AM (7dXKM)
Posted by: katybeth at June 03, 2009 07:29 AM (EjA6p)
Posted by: Mark at June 03, 2009 07:36 AM (cyQJk)
Posted by: teej at June 03, 2009 07:54 AM (lG7ds)
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Posted by: rushbabe at June 03, 2009 08:01 AM (LKkE8)
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Posted by: The Drizzle at June 03, 2009 08:22 AM (fWnCD)
Posted by: Grim at June 03, 2009 08:25 AM (gyNYk)
Pretty much Palin/anything will work with me."
I've said it before and I'll say it again: Palin/Cheney. The VP isn't term-limited. Watch the lefties' heads explode at that one.
Posted by: Dave J. at June 03, 2009 08:31 AM (jNE9Q)
Where's the ghost of Reagan? If dead people can vote democrat, can't republicans vote for dead people?
Seriously, Michelle Bachman! Chuck Norris? Rush? A. Coulter? These are a few of my favorite things.
Posted by: Eric at June 03, 2009 08:37 AM (N+w6G)
Posted by: ol-dirty-/b/-tard at June 03, 2009 08:49 AM (J13o1)
Get an effing governor; someone who has accomplished something, not just sucked on the teat in Washington.
Pataki? Weld? Ridge? Douglas?
Posted by: FireHorse at June 03, 2009 09:04 AM (jMk+v)
Will America still exist in 2012?
Up until late December, yes. There will be an election. It's just that the winner won't be inaugurated.
Posted by: FireHorse at June 03, 2009 09:05 AM (jMk+v)
Well, that's not what I said anyway. I do like Sarah. I don't think she is bad. But she is damaged goods because of the last campaign. That doesn't mean she can't rise above it, but it's going to be a harder task for us to have to rise someone out of a hole than it would be for us to present someone who is brand new to the stage, like a Sanford, or even a Pawlenty or a Jindal, whom the MSM has not yet character assassinated.
Posted by: chemjeff at June 02, 2009 10:58 PM
Well.. that means you have to work that fucking much more to get her message out.
It will be word of mouth and alternative media to get her message out...
Damaged goods is BS.. Why don't you go ahead and roll over on your back and proclaim 'Game Over, it's not worth fighting over'.
Sorry if I'm pissed about this but shit like that from our side is not needed. Palin fights. She'll need people who will fight for her. If you aren't willing to fight, shut the fuck up and get out of the way for someone who will.
Posted by: Dave C at June 03, 2009 09:19 AM (FBytr)
Hey morons, the same people who told you Palin is an idiot are the same people who told you Obama is a genius.
How's that workin out for you?
Would you rather live in the spendoholic bankrupt nation run by the MSM picked genius?
or
The well-run budget-cutting solvent state run by the MSM scorned idiot?
Posted by: rinseandspit at June 03, 2009 09:21 AM (ao5cQ)
Posted by: Darth Randall at June 03, 2009 09:39 AM (oLULt)
Ditto here, CB. I worked for Fred's campaign here in SC and got the honored pleasure of meeting him. I'm still hurting over the "what could have been" if he had won the nomination. Hell, I would've rather had Lassie in the WH than the jugearred Meh-ssiah.
Posted by: Twinks at June 03, 2009 09:50 AM (QPFLO)
Posted by: Not Rod Blagojevich, Nope! at June 03, 2009 09:58 AM (aC0uO)
Now Blago, that's interesting. At least we know he's a dipshit. A known commodity, some things to like.
Not so much.
Posted by: The Last Patriot at June 03, 2009 10:30 AM (aVEdl)
we can not afford to have a bumbling folksy, winking at the camera, "gotcha media" neophite running for office. (yes i know she has more experience then obama, but when it comes to having media savy she is a neophite, no she is a moron.)
she is unelectable. period.
Posted by: annak at June 03, 2009 10:36 AM (M4IOE)
Some on here say Gov. Palin is damaged goods well lets see how that flies after her book comes out next year. Between the book and the tour her image will be golden.
Where did the news of Gov. Palin and Iowa come from--thanks.
Posted by: CodaCuda at June 03, 2009 10:43 AM (dTLzH)
Posted by: CB at June 03, 2009 10:51 AM (9Wv2j)
331--Gabe posted that Iowa tidbit up near the top of the thread, but he didn't elaborate.
I wish Gabe would elaborate because it is news to us over at C4P.
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Y'all are miss'n the boat...
Pres. Petraus / V.P. Tommy Franks
Let Romney Have Geithner's post
Make Palin Health and Human Services
Let Huckabee have Secretary Of Education
Secretary Of State JOHN BOLTON (Non- Negotiable) "He's Coool..he-he"
Did I miss anyone?
"So Let It Be Written...So Let It Be Done!"
Posted by: Ruggmeister at June 03, 2009 11:20 AM (axb6Q)
If Huckabee is seriously getting a major chunk of the Republican vote we will loose again. All any fucking idiot needs to do is look at his record. He's liberal as hell about taxation.
Truly we are fucked.
Posted by: PALIN '12 at June 03, 2009 11:31 AM (i6YOv)
Are you shitting me? I'm supposed to be upset that is popular in the GOP?
It's dumbass thinking like this that gave us Obama. Yeah, is a boob, but I have a rule:
Any Republican is better than any Democrat. I'll take over Obama, any day.
Posted by: Unicle, if you will at June 02, 2009 09:32 PM (bJTac)
It's thinking like this that gave us McCain and Obama and the inevitable McCain. Huckabee would loose against a re-election campaign from Obama I guarantee even after he has fucked the country.We need a principled CONSERVATIVE to represent the opposition, not more fucking vanilla liberal republicans. What is it going to take for the party to wake up and realize that you cannot be moderate and win against a popular true-liberal?Posted by: Palin or a CONSERVATIVE in '10, '12 at June 03, 2009 11:35 AM (i6YOv)
If Bob McDonnell can win as governor of Virginia in November I'd like to see him run. He's been a solid AG here for years, was in the army, has an MBA/JD from Notre Dame. 5 kids--one of whom is in Iraq.
He's well spoken and Catholic--which is critical. We cannot have an evangelical or fundamentalist candidate. They turn off the middle. And frankly, they turn me off too. Separation of church and state exists for a reason.
Posted by: Common Sense at June 03, 2009 11:36 AM (vw/4w)
Posted by: kempermanx at June 03, 2009 12:07 PM (qvT/A)
Separation of church and state exists for a reason.
Yeah, the "reason" being that the courts made it up out of thin air.
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Posted by: iowavette at June 03, 2009 12:20 PM (0JTac)
I dare say if she practiced a bit, she has the most nation-wide recognition now. The media will bash her for being a dumb socker-mom, but that can backfire on them, and they will do this with EVERY conservative candidate anyway. She has enough fire that she could turn it back on them.
What we need is a recognized principled candidate that will Talk Back to these asshats in the media. I think Palin could easily do this.
Otherwise, whoever is going to be the shining star for the conservative cause better get off their ass NOW and start getting attention. Huckaphoney is not that man. Southern charm is about as effective as McCain being a prior war vet. If they come off as vanilla, they will not energize the base or gain swing votes and lose again.
Posted by: Palin or a CONSERVATIVE in '10, '12 at June 03, 2009 12:22 PM (i6YOv)
We cannot have an evangelical or fundamentalist candidate. They turn off the middle.
McCain did well with them. Now how did that turn out?
Posted by: Dick_Nixon at June 03, 2009 12:35 PM (kaOJx)
It wasn't a poll of Republicans. It wasn't even a poll of registered voters. From the article:
The CNN/Opinion Research Corporation poll was conducted May 14-17, with 1,010 adult Americans questioned by telephone.
Note they sampled "adults". Not likely voters, or even registered voters. And no party affilliation. Translation: poll is meaningless bullshit.
I seem to to recall a Rasmussen poll from earlier this year that actually sampled Republicans and Palin won handily (over 60%, IIRC).
Posted by: ol-dirty-/b/-tard at June 03, 2009 12:37 PM (J13o1)
I was hoping for momentum to build for Jindal, but his state of the union response was portrayed (whether fairly or unfairly) and perceived as weak.
Sarah Palin (definitely unfairly) has been stigmatized as a vapid lightweight and beauty queen (well that part is true).
If the economy is in the crapper come 2012, Romney just might be the person best suited for the nomination. If the economy isn't in the crapper, it won't matter who we nominate.
Posted by: Reggie1971 at June 03, 2009 12:47 PM (b68Df)
Having the best interests of conservatives at heart you must move toward the center and embrace the policies that made Obama so popular if you wish to survive. You need to dump the religious and social conservatives and seek the gay, hispanic and black vote. You must destroy those ogres who represent old fashioned, backward looking policies like low taxes, capitalism, and individual freedom in favor of forward lloking candidates like Crist, Pawlenty, or Ms. McCain.
How can you hope to attract gay, black Pakis from Luton if you do not change. Do you not wish to attract billions in campaign contributuions from the Gaza or Pakistan?
Do you not wish to attract gay and lesbian voters and people who believe in Sotomayor?
And get yourself some new posters and slogans, like "bread, land , peace."
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Having the best interests of conservatives at heart you must move toward the center and embrace the policies that made Obama so popular if you wish to survive. You need to dump the religious and social conservatives and seek the gay, hispanic and black vote. You must destroy those ogres who represent old fashioned, backward looking policies like low taxes, capitalism, and individual freedom in favor of forward lloking candidates like Crist, Pawlenty, or Ms. McCain.
this is the best satire I have ever read..
Comments like this are the reason why I keep coming back time and time again. Too funny.
Posted by: Dave C at June 03, 2009 03:06 PM (FBytr)
So, because one particular poll taken in 2009 says that Palin has a 43% unfavorable rating, the GOP should completely bury her. Never mind that she's the only f**king person in this party with a lick of charisma.
I'm amazed that her favorables are as high as they are considering the horsesh*t she's had to deal with from the media. That tells me she's been INNOCULATED. The more these idiots attack, the less people will listen.
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