1 It'll remain like this until Operation Pipewrench is put into action.  Seriously.

2 You just don't care about woman's "health" like we do.  And by "health", I mean "choice," and by "choice," I mean killing babies.

What pissants you are.

3 What do you expect? To the media George Tiller is a hero and our soldiers are, at best, gullible victims.

With these two recent terrorists acts, will any brave members of the media ask Obama about Ayers again? Sure, Ayers used bombs mostly, but murdering people like William Long is *exactly* what he was trying to do.

4 In yesterday's Union-Tribune there was a front page article on Tiller, with a follow-up article today on Page 3.

On the shooting in Arkansas:

Not.One.Word.

5 You wingnuts can't pin this on me; I have an alibi.

I was elsewhere at the time indoctrinating your children.

6 How many of those articles on Tiller note that he performed 60,000 abortions?

7 I believe you Bill.  You still coming over to shoot some hoop?  It will be you & me vs. Michelle. 

8 The days when we could afford to spend day after day luxuriating in things like news reports about murdered soldiers are over.  We all have to sacrifice for our children, and our grandchildren.

Tough choices have to be made, and we only have enough time to do wall to wall martyr-level coverage when it involves shortages of our most precious commodities -- baby killers.

9 This coupled with Cheney's same-sex marriage endorsement has created a "bonfire of hypocrisy" over at Kos and Puffco.

10 Thanks, Mr. President.  Nobody understands me like you do.  It was an honor to write your book for you.

11 Who are hypocrites because Dick Cheney endorses same-sex marriage?  I lose track of Lefty "logic."

12

Screw Tiller...The bigger problem is how far the "Media" has moved to the Darkside!!! Damn-it...I want my country back!!!

13 "This coupled with Cheney's same-sex marriage endorsement has created a "bonfire of hypocrisy" over at Kos and Puffco.

Posted by: Jack is Back! at June 02, 2009 08:28 AM (LlDGu)"

Ugh, they are so dumb, this is old news, think everyone knew this 8 years ago when he said he disagreed with GWB on this.  Sheesh, his daughter is a lesbian, of course this is how he feels, this is a no brainer of long standing.

14 Your media was sold to individuals who seem to think freedom of speech in the press only means their freedom of speech.  In order to have the kind of media we used to have soneone needs to start fresh. 

15 I blame Olberdouche for the killing of our soldier, William Long!

Check him out blaming Bill O for the Tiller shooting checkitouters...also at Newsbusters

16 I suggest calling rep wasserman schultz who laughed when it was suggested our military and vets were targets of hate crimes...

Phone: (202) 225-7931
Fax: (202) 226-2052

17 Hegh to America!  ghIqtal!!!
/Klingon

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19 Ugh, they are so dumb, this is old news, think everyone knew this 8 years ago when he said he disagreed with GWB on this.  Sheesh, his daughter is a lesbian, of course this is how he feels, this is a no brainer of long standing.

Bingo.  John Edwards tried to use this as a wedge against the base in their 2004 debate and all Cheney would say, IIRC, was "I love my daughter."

20

"I've already been snarked at on Twitter by someone who said Tiller was a public figure, while the soldier was not."

Yeah.  American soldiers have not been getting ANY public exposure these past few years.  Nope.  Unknowns.  These two gentlemen in particular might not have been "public figures" personally, but they serve as the "American Soldier Everyman."  They, as a group, have been demonized, ridiculed, misrepresented, and hamstrung far more than the group of abortionists.

Your Twit-snark is horseshit.

21 I blame Olberdouche for the killing of our soldier, William Long!

I think you might be able to make that argument credibly actually. Abortion has been considered a heinous offense since at least ancient Greece - but it was a group of individuals like Olbermann that created this hate against our troops over the Iraq war, and it was done intentionally and with malicious intent.

22 On the recruiter shooting.
This morning's Monterey County Herald they gave the shooters name and use the term "political and religious motives". There was other information about him.

23 Another example of the media not having a left wing bias.

24

Who are hypocrites because Dick Cheney endorses same-sex marriage?  I lose track of Lefty "logic."

What's good for General Motors is good for America.

And what's good for America is bad for The World.

(Making more sense now?)

25 Repeat:

In a flash of insight, Breitbart realized that the media were the Democratic Party, that the NAACP was the Democratic Party, that NOW was the Democratic Party and that the false notion that the media and the various rights groups were acting in the best interests of America independent of ideological bias seemed less laughable than criminal to him.

26 On the Tiller killing at another leftist website, comments in a video by Randall Terry (who the hell appointed Randall Terry to now speak for all Christians opposed to abortion? ) are featured.
Comments a leftist pundit: "This is domestic terrorism, in your face. It’s the equivalent of an Al Qaeda video following a terrorist attack, disavowing responsibility but encouraging more attacks." _{(This comes from a person who used to be concerned with actual islamist terrorism, not Christian-hate. The perpetual jew and non-believer-slaughter monologues from countless islamist clerics are now equivalent to one vid from some guy named Randall. Right.)}

At the same place, a thread about Abdulhakim Mujahid Muhammad, the man who shot at 2 recruiters and killed one, is described thusly on the front page: a 24-year-old Little Rock resident formerly known as Carlos Bledsoe. That's it. "More information" is given below, but makes no specific mention of jailhose conversion islam... that "little detail" seems glaringly absent.

The real Christian-hate prevalent on the left, and in leftist media is really showing through in this situation.

27 Look, it's really simple.  The media can't talk about the guy who shot two soldiers at a recruiting office.  Then they would have to acknowledge Sudden Jihad Syndrome (something that CJ would have been the first to point out a few years ago, I might add).

If they acknowledge Sudden Jihad Syndrome, then they might have to acknowledge that there is a systemic problem with Islam.

The only good muslim is a bad muslim.

28

New Name After Conversion: Abdulhakim Mujahid Muhammad

 

I suggest that anyone who changes their name to something like that be immediately arrested as a terrorist, or at least someone who is insane and a likely danger.

29 This is so hysterical, Mark Haynes cannot understand the Zip Car concept on CNBC.   Of course not, it isn't geared to his generation.  He so cannot believe that the cars are locally parked, the members fill them with gas and even wash them.  This is funny to watch since it shows not only a lack of knowledge and understanding but a "generation gap", to use my mom's word.  Ironically zip cars are doing fabulous in the market they operate in.

30 vic, also, please arrest anyone that changes their name to ochocinco.

31

Posted by: ginaswo/mim at June 02, 2009 08:39 AM (YiTXl)

BRILLIANT! I'm on it, w/all this crap going on & 24hr news cycles, how do you people remember all this stuff...Wasserman...love what she does w/her hair!

Its amazing how wrong the left is..always.  

32 oh good Gawd now Drudge says TOTUS told BBC he is okay with Iran having Nuke power..OMG.....

33

and in other news

President Barack Obama suggested that Iran may have some right to nuclear energy _ provided it proves by the end of the year that its aspirations are peaceful.

Isn't that special.

34 One of these days Americans will get smart by turning off the fucking TV while giving up their movies, pop concerts and Broadway shows..or rather the entire fucking entertainment industry which is polluting and torturing Liberty while causing severe brain-damages to the stupid sheeple who cannot live without their fucking shit-filled entertainment.

It's like the man basically said in the opinion published in Pravda  'stupid sheeple sucking Kingdom Hollywood's shit-filled anal cavity is killing Freedom'

So the next time you are at a fucking Green Day concert or in the fucking movie theater or sitting in front of the fucking TV  sucking Kingdom Hollywood's shit ask yourself  if all the MSM entertainment shit was really worth the price of losing your Liberty.

35 Meghan Kelly is talking to a dude about this guy, and evidently he was planning on killing as many soldiers as he could. He had 2 assault rifles, 100 rounds of ammo and 2 pistols. He just pled not guilty. Bastard.

36 Slublog: I think it is difficult to contrast the two stories.  Tiller was a despicable human being in my view.  However, the man was shot in church, in front of his wife and his children.  He's a long known abortionist, probably the second most well known abortionist after the now repentant Bernard Nathanson in the United States.

Furthermore, abortion was THE topic over the last few weeks starting with the release of the Gallup poll data on prolife/prochoice majority support.  Add in Sotomayor and the next few months of talking about "the same old stuff", to quote POTUS addressing the Planned Parenthood Action Fund in July 2007.

37 "bush lied" 1,914 google links
"obama dictator" only 795

38 ^{"Look, it's really simple.  The media can't talk about the guy who shot two soldiers at a recruiting office.  Then they would have to acknowledge Sudden Jihad Syndrome (something that CJ would have been the first to point out a few years ago, I might add)."}

I'm a little busy right now.  Do you realize there are people who think the world was created by a deity?  These people aren't going to ban themselves from Little Green Douchebags!

39 8 The days when we could afford to spend day after day luxuriating in things like news reports about murdered soldiers are over.  We all have to sacrifice for our children, and our grandchildren.

FIFY

40 O/T- Did ya'll see where the Uighurs asked the Fox News Crew if Obama was a Communist or a Democrat? They said they recognized his policies. They also wondered why he hadn't released them. Hmmm/

41

"oh good Gawd now Drudge says TOTUS told BBC he is okay with Iran having Nuke power..OMG....."

Just wait until he gets the little notion in his head that he can get us out of our national debt by selling the technology.

42 Ironically zip cars are doing fabulous in the market they operate in.

I heard Zipcar was losing money pretty fast.  I'm a member and find Zipcar to be a superb option for a city dweller like myself that wants no part of city and state fees, fluctuating fuel costs, and insurance costs.  I have 6 cars within 5 blocks of my home.  There's a Prius, a van, a crossover, and a BMW.  So I even have options depending on how many hobos I have to drive to another state. 

43

"He just pled not guilty."

Good.  That means death penalty will stay on the table.

44

Posted by: ginaswo/mim at June 02, 2009 08:39 AM (YiTXl)

he trully is the great appeaser. What was that guys name, YOU KNOW THE DUDE WHO TOLD WINSTON CHURCHILL THAT HILTER WAS A GOOD GUY!

 

45 Posted by: WTF Capital Investments at June 02, 2009 08:58 AM (GtYrq)

I agree that Tiller was better known, but his death hardly warrants the continuing coverage it has received from the networks. 

The murder of Long, however, has a number of national security implications, as DrewM pointed out in his post yesterday. 
Why was this guy being watched by the FBI?
If he was being watched by the FBI, why was he allowed to commit an act of terrorism on US soil?
What implications does this have for the president's Gitmo policy?
How many more potential terrorists are living on US soil at this moment?

The digging has begun on the second story, but it still seems far too many resources are being wasted trying to figure out what the murder of George Tiller means for the pro-life movement.  It seems to me the national security angle is a much bigger story.

46

Who are hypocrites because Dick Cheney endorses same-sex marriage?  I lose track of Lefty "logic."

It helps if you allow comedians to inform your premises:

Wanda Sykes said that Rush Limbaugh said that he hopes Obama fails, which Wanda Sykes equated with Limbaugh's hope that America fails.

Jon Stewart said that Rush Limbaugh is the leader of the Republican Party.

Therefore, all Republicans want America to fail.

(Just listen to you Uncle Lar. I'm here to help.)

47 Granted, but how often are US soldiers murdered on US soil by a terror suspect?
During a time of war with said terrorists!

My God, this is an act of war on our soil, yet again.  And Obama and his MainStateMedia (msm)twiddle and twaddle about some abortion doc? 
I keep thinking about Obama's muslim background and his "hate whitey" books.

  Yes! Look at Tiller! Move along.  Nothing to see here....except that I am handing your country over to your enemies...

48 Not a public figure? Great. So a totally impersonal murder is somehow less problematic than killing someone you're angry with? No one should be free to publically urge their followers to violence. Muslim Rage Boy and Christian Rage Boy alike. Justice for all!

49 ^{"Why was this guy being watched by the FBI?  If he was being watched by the FBI, why was he allowed to commit an act of terrorism on US soil?  What implications does this have for the president's Gitmo policy?  How many more potential terrorists are living on US soil at this moment?"}

Those are a lot of questions, and answering them sounds like a lot of work.

Hey!  Dick Cheney said he's for same-sex marriage!  What a hypocrite, huh?

50 I cannot find a reference to the murderous attack on our soldiers anywhere on the CNN page or the MSNBC page.  I have looked repeatedly since 3 AM.

51

Here's some other OMG links: (didn't see this thread, sorry)

O considering options to punish Israel, including abandoning UN support

Link goes to weaselzippers.  Also can be found at nicedeb.

http://moelane.com/

Blagojevich told fellow Democratic Sen. Dick Durbin he was thinking of naming Illinois Attorney General Lisa Madigan to the seat vacated when Barack Obama won the presidential election, according to two Durbin aides who spoke on condition of anonymity.

http://tinyurl.com/mrhjmy

“My concern is that we are applying pressure to the wrong party in this dispute,” said Rep. Shelley Berkley (D-Nev.). “I think it would serve America’s interest better if we were pressuring the Iranians to eliminate the potential of a nuclear threat from Iran, and less time pressuring our allies and the only democracy in the Middle East to stop the natural growth of their settlements.”

politico story

 

PS- someone is fu&$ing up The QuietMan's name in the Top Headlines Thread

52 Good morning, morons!

Well, well, well... Yemen, eh? 'Looks like my Quaker theory flew out the window, huh?

Amazingly, our bike-riding investigative blogger is still contenting himself with picking through Roeder's trash rather than jumping on this story. After all, Roeder was part of a "movement," he had Post-It notes and everything... whereas there's absolutely no evidence that Mr. Bledsoe (aka Abdulhakim Mujahid Muhammad) was part of any organized movement. None whatsoever.

Nope.

53 The murder of one soldier and the wounding of another does not advance the agenda. 

The murder of the abortionist does.

54 I used to be a complete news junkie and never thought I could live without TV's deep channel lineup and two daily papers.

That has all changed.  The only TV show I have watched in two weeks was RedWings/Penguins - other then the OTA digital weather and kids shows on PBS in the morning.  We buy 5 to 10 specific shows a month from iTunes or RedBox and never looked back.

News comes from the internet (newsreader on the cell, and site with filtered feeds), AM talk radio, and the local free paper.  In the last five years, from everyone getting a morning paper on my end of the street (8 houses) - it is down to one. 

Their distribution, timing, product, and conglomeration of information just sucks - they are doomed.  As soon as somebody breaks the mold an starts putting something else in those timeslots that make money - they are gone.

55 The media reports from yesterday swiftly (within minutes) declared that the muslim shooter was a single individual acting alone and was not part of a larger group threat.

The media reports since Sunday have declared that the shooter in the abortion case is a part of a larger group that poses a coordinated and systemic threat.

56 ^{"Wanda Sykes said that Rush Limbaugh said that he hopes Obama fails, which Wanda Sykes equated with Limbaugh's hope that America fails."}

The sleight of hand that Sykes performed was really something to behold, moving quickly from asserting that since Rush wants Obama to fail then he wants America to fail to then criticizing Rush for wanting America to fail.

I wonder if she even noticed what she did there or if it was simply reflexive.  Liberal entertainers aren't usually smart enough to be that craven intentionally.

57

53 The murder of one soldier and the wounding of another does not advance the agenda. 

The murder of the abortionist does.

That pretty much gets to the heart of it, right there.

_{P.S. Welcome to a REAL blog, Mama.}

58 Dumbass statement by Petraeus.Check it out over at The Corner,Andy McCarthy comments on it.I'm disappointed in the General.

59 @45

Slublog,

You're right, of course.

Tiller despite his fame was pretty much a one off. Esp. since the pro-life movement is about, you know, life.

The murder of Long, however, indicts our whole security post-911, if his murderer was really being followed and a suspected risk.

Is there a new SOP since Prez Unicorn was elected? Are relaxed procedures part of the reason he was able to act freely? How many other "potential terrorists" are being babysat as they buy weapons and/or explosives?

60 Thank you Capt. Numbstick.  I have occasionally posted here at Ace, but most of the time I can be found at BabbaZee's Outraged Spleen. 

61

58 Dumbass statement by Petraeus...

Jeez, that's gonna be a big ol' hunk o' red meat for the rabid Lefites, that's for sure. Except they'll have to square it with their "Gen. Betrayus" illusions...

62

Based on the figures at icasualties over 5000 U.S. GIs have now died (from all causes) in Iraq and Afghanistan.  Remember when the media used to mark all those "grim milestones"?  Yeah-can't have any such thing distracting attention from "the wons" agenda right now (actually, I doubt if any of them even noticed).

63

It is kind of disturbing that the concensus seems to be that you can only be outraged about one or the other.

We should be outraged about both, wherein some douchebag decides "He was a(n) (soldier/abortionist), and deserves to die", and acts on it.

How is it that agreeing with one is righteous, while agreeing with the other is rotten? They're both rotten, completely contemptuous of the rule of law, and should be derided as the terrorist dipshits they both are.

It is an outrage that the story of the soldiers is being ignored, though par for the MSM course. Piss all over them.

But don't go imitating them with the notion that one assassin is good, while the other is evil.

64 Just yesterday, George McGovern in the Wall Street Journal claimed that there hadn't been a single terrorist attack against America since 9/11/2001.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124381226265170437.html

I guess he's a willful liar, because Long's murder was clearly a terrorist attack against America on US soil.

65 OT: Let's Party Like It's 1776...or 2012.....

That's right boy's and girls: Obama Invites Iran Envoys to July 4 Parties!!
http://tinyurl.com/mgm5du

66 There was not a single word about this crime in the Philadelphia Inquirer this morning (print edition). It is a disgrace.

67 AJ, the Philadelphia Inquirer is an arm of the Democratic party.  Thanks for contributing.

68 It seems to me the national security angle is a much bigger story.

I would otherwise agree if not for the Sonia Sotomayor nomination.  A SCOTUS pick puts all the contentious issues into the limelight.

My first reaction when I heard Tiller had been shot was the STASI story about the West German police officer shooting a peace activist.  My thoughts were the debate just shifted from growing the support for prolife to elevating the violence angle that the prolife community has so effectively sidelined over the last 10 years.  It was as if the worst thing that could happen to the prolife community just happened.

The MSM now has the grounds to pile on the bullshit.  They get to peddle the Rockefeller talking points over and over to avoid the obvious.  Isn't a third trimester abortion the complete elimination of total innocent human life like the Western Europeans say?

69

But don't go imitating them with the notion that one assassin is good, while the other is evil.

Posted by: GamerFromJump at June 02, 2009 09:24 AM (CJSHw)

What happened to Tiller was murder.  I won't say it's good.  But I will say some incidents are more tragic than others.  The soldier's death is much more tragic than Tiller's, IMO.

70 Look, I'm just sick of being hounded by these dirty hippies day in and day out.  You try being called "Betrayus" for two years and see how well you hold up!

Maybe now they'll get out of my face.  The patchouli smell was really giving me a headache.

71 It's Amazing how many folks look for soldiers to help when there is a war, flood, tornado, or hurricane!

72 Damn it, forgot to turn the sockpuppet off.  Barack surely would disagree with that.

73 In 1952 my wife's father grabbed his mother and his wife and fled North Korea for a better life in the United States.

Everyday it seems more and more likely that people will need to flee the United States in order to be free.

Is there anywhere left to run?

74

OT: Let's Party Like It's 1776...or 2012.....

That's right boy's and girls: Obama Invites Iran Envoys to July 4 Parties!!

 

Barry bends over for Iran like our media bends over for him.

 

75 What is sad is the the Media is missing an opportunity to rise above partisan demagoguery and put these crimes under the  microscope together. This is a perfect instance to have a thoughtful and educational discussion on how the murders are similar (philosophical/political/theological motivations), how they are different, and why both occurrences are heinous crimes of terror.

Unfortunately, the Media is intrinsically wedded to the concept that certain crimes, when committed by an individual tied to a specific set of beliefs, is magnitudes worse and more newsworthy than the exact same crime committed by a member of one of the politcally-correct victim classes.

76 But don't go imitating them with the notion that one assassin is good, while the other is evil.

Uhhhhh, I think we are criticizing the media for their horrific and agenda driven content, not applauding assassins.  Sorry, I didn't pick up that general meme from the comments.

77

Perhaps if they would have sucked Tiller's brains out with a vacuum, it would have been less news worthy. 

Then of course, the killing of an infidel by a Muslim is kind of an aboration.

78 ^{"Barack surely would disagree with that."}

He certain does, and Michelle would like a word with you.

79 What bothers me is the willingness of the media to smear the entire pro-life movement based on Roeder's actions while devoting very little airtime or newspaper space to the national security implications of William Long's murder.

Since when did the MSM care about national security?

80 Killing babies (60,000) is a lot more important than
killing so-called terrorists.


you dumb ass red-necks....

81 Hab SoSlI' Quch!
/Klingon

82 I was just over at the Huffpo ( so you don't have to) and they finally have a story up about the soldiers being shot.
Seems some over there are saying this is Bush's fault since he lead us into an illegal war in Iraq, causing untold harm to relations with Islam, causing these men to join the military and thus being targets for Muslims who are pissed at the war.
Wow.

83

What bothers me is the willingness of the media to smear the entire pro-life movement based on Roeder's actions while devoting very little airtime or newspaper space to the national security implications of William Long's murder.

It's almost as if they are promoting a political agenda and not just reporting news. But the media keeps telling us that they don't have a left wing bias so it must be my imagination.

84 Stop buying newspapers and magazines, don't watch their TV shows either, there are more of us than them.

85

82 Seems some over [at HuffPo] are saying this is Bush's fault since he lead us into an illegal war in Iraq, causing untold harm to relations with Islam, causing these men to join the military and blah, blah, blah...

I would expect nothing less from the mindless maggots at that cesspool. Stupid is pretty much the defining characteristic over there.

86 It was a personal choice.

Someone decided to abort Tiller.

What's the big deal?

Perhaps we need a rule similar to "shooting an intruder, and dragging his dead corpse back inside your house to make it justified homicide."

The shooter should have found Tiller's mom, and stuffed his dead carcass back in the womb. Then it would be OK.

87 This from Hot Air:

Update V: Robert Spencer hears that the shooter studied Islam abroad — in Yemen. He’s trying to get more details on it now.

So I haven't bothered to keep up with all the blog wars, but isn't this Spencer dude the guy Cahrles Jhonson hates? And, based on lizard king's "reasoning," doesn't the fact that Spencer is being credited with unearthing this Yemen angle render the whole thing null and void? Bets on whether or not CJ will be able to write a post this morning on the recruiting station shooter without smearing Spencer.

88

Posted by: Jubal Anderson Early at June 02, 2009 09:45 AM (k7Xlb)

Its a new game (sort-of) the 6 degrees of pres bush

 

89 87 Yep!  Fascist!

90

My first reaction when I heard Tiller had been shot was the STASI story about the West German police officer shooting a peace activist.  My thoughts were the debate just shifted from growing the support for prolife to elevating the violence angle that the prolife community has so effectively sidelined over the last 10 years.  It was as if the worst thing that could happen to the prolife community just happened.

So are we allowed to question the timing?  Afterall wasn't there that poll that just came out indicating the surge of people who identify as being pro-life?

91

It does seem there's only figure who has a clear and consistent voice on all of this; from missile defense, to the auto heist, to the standard of life, to defense of our men and women in uniform;

http://sarahpac.com/news/news33.aspx

92 Obama was quick to issue a statement on Tiller. I haven't seen anything on one about Little Rock.

I just pinged Jake Tapper via Twitter, we'll see if he notices it and says anything about it.

93

@87  ...isn't this Spencer dude the guy Cahrles Jhonson hates?

Considering Spencer is a respected Middle East scholar with several books to his credit and Johnson is a guitar-playing Web designer who hosts an Internet blog which links to a buncha other sites around the Web, I gotta go with Spencer having the heftier intellectual credibility in that spat. But that's just the way my mind works.

94

There are five (or six) good story links to shooter info here from across the conservative blogosphere via five feet of fury.

95 44. Neville Obama Chamberlain!!!

96

I wonder if the shotting in Arkansas was like one of those 24 scenairos where the guys tracking him were holding out that Muhammad would lead them to the "big fish"?

I also wonder if I watch too much TV, even what little I do. . . .

97 So are we allowed to question the timing?  Afterall wasn't there that poll that just came out indicating the surge of people who identify as being pro-life?

Sure, at your own peril.  I did think about the timing, but ultimately that means nothing.  I can neither control nor predict when people go to Tiller for an abortion any more than I can predict when someone is going to shoot an abortionist in cold blood.

98

Sec. of the Army chosen by Obama - John McHugh (R)?

 

99

For people not paying attention and thats the majority of our citizens today, all they know from the headlines is that an abortion doctor was shot.  They don't know what his 'specialty' was or the details of the controversy surrounding him. Its still a lawless murder but context effects the bigger picture.  

Propaganda is not only what is said but also what is not said. 

100

Posted by: ginaswo/MiM at June 02, 2009 10:03 AM (YiTXl)

thank you

 

101 It would actually be in the Left's interest to distance themselves from Tiller and let the buzz die down. 

The trial is going to be an indictment of Tiller's practices, I don't know how the prosecution will keep out a series of horrifying images and statistics that go towards the "mind" of the killer.  This clown will go to prison - but I doubt the abortion industry wants Tiller as their poster child.

102

Slublog: nothing justifies the murder of Dr. Tiller

Well, except for the fact that he was a mass-murderer of innocent defenseless children [obviously].

But other than that - you're right - nothing else would justify it.

 

103

O remains mum on the slain soldier, but the best candidate from the past election put this on her pac site and facebook:

Governor Palin Statement on William Long

"The stories of two very different lives with similar fates crossed through the media's hands yesterday - both equally important but one lacked the proper attention. The death of 67-year old George Tiller was unacceptable, but equally disgusting was another death that police believe was politically and religiously motivated as well.

William Long died yesterday. The 23-year old Army Recruiter was gunned down by a fanatic; another fellow soldier was wounded in the ambush. The soldiers had just completed their basic training and were talking to potential recruits, just as my son, Track, once did.

Whatever titles we give these murderers, both deserve our attention. Violence like that is no way to solve a political dispute nor a religious one. And the fanatics on all sides do great disservice when they confuse dissention with rage and death."

Thank you, Sarah Palin.  At least someone in the public eye acknowledged this young man and horrific event.

104 I really am in a state of disbelief that more isn't being said and done about the  terrorist attack on our military. Say what you will about George Bush but somehow I think he would be handling this a bit differently. Hi, Mama Winger! I remember you from LGF. My name there was Nigella. I took a self-imposed  exile from there when Sharmuta and Charles deleted me because I dared question them. Was too much for me.

105 Logprof -- too much TV!  More like, he was looked at and nothing was found.  He was released, but on a list - so that if he did interact with another entity it would get flagged and help build a bigger picture.

My conspiracy theory is around his surrender and arrest - WHY?  Don't these guy usually go out swinging.  Is his mission to get back into prison and spread some message, recruit, trigger something?

106 "Considering Spencer is a respected Middle East scholar with several books to his credit and Johnson is a guitar-playing Web designer who hosts an Internet blog which links to a buncha other sites around the Web, I gotta go with Spencer having the heftier intellectual credibility in that spat. But that's just the way my mind works."

as mine does.

107 Great post! We live in the left's version of Pleasantville. Where everyone agrees that Liberal ideas are the best and the debate is over. Sometimes I forget the bias that we are deluged with everyday and it takes a contrast like this to highlight it for me.

Tiller is answering for his actions now. I find no pleasure in saying that. His killer will answer for his actions soon.

108 I loathe the military

109 Lucius:

Well, except for the fact that he was a mass-murderer of innocent defenseless children [obviously].

But other than that - you're right - nothing else would justify it.

No.  Nothing justifies it.  Period.  Unless you want to make it acceptable for anyone to shoot anyone else because they might have done someone else harm at some point.

The shooting of Tiller was vigilantism, pure and simple.  And it has no place in a society ruled by laws.  If you disagree with the laws, you don't get to start shooting people.

Either get the law changed in the manner that it was meant to be, work on convincing people that even though abortion is legal that maybe they ought not get one, work on getting the Supreme Court changed.  But don't just go out and start shooting people.

110

Are you in Iranian missile range?

 

 

111 @109 brian

The shooting of Tiller was vigilantism, pure and simple.  And it has no place in a society ruled by laws.

I agree with this 100%.

But are we still a society ruled by laws?

112

The trial is going to be an indictment of Tiller's practices, I don't know how the prosecution will keep out a series of horrifying images and statistics that go towards the "mind" of the killer.  This clown will go to prison - but I doubt the abortion industry wants Tiller as their poster child.

I think that depends on if the prosecution manages to get a judge who could forbid discussion of Tiller's practice to go beyond his conducting abortions.  I don't know if that's possible but if it is I think you can bet they'll attempt to get that stipulation through.

113

As of 11:15 a.m. EST, the Commander in Chief has yet to release a statement condemning the murder of a member of the armed forces by a suspected terrorist.

I wonder why?

 

 

114 Gosh, it's almost as if the President doesn't really care about our military at all. Huh.

115

But are we still a society ruled by laws?

Not if it involves bankruptcy and a union.

116 >>But don't just go out and start shooting people.

Indeed. I prefer to rip a screaming baby from the womb and suck out its brains.

Much more civilized manner of killing!

117 As of 11:15 a.m. EST, the Commander in Chief has yet to release a statement condemning the murder of a member of the armed forces by a suspected terrorist.

That is the worst part. Tiller's death is irrelevant on a national level, there is no reason for the President to be any more concerned with his murder than the old lady who got beat to death in the projects last night...and you know there probably was one.   But yet he releases a statement.

An American soldier is shot to death, on American soil....In Uniform and on duty..by someone who admits it's for jihad ( not some personal reasons)  and nothing? It's a fucking disgrace.

The FBI was following this guy how? By swinging by his house once a month?
Is this how the FBI would have handled this under GWB? Do they have new directives regarding "persons on interest" under Obama?

This is a  muslim facist terrorist attack on US soil...why isn't the media calling it and treating as such?

118

Thank you, Sarah Palin.  At least someone in the public eye acknowledged this young man and horrific event.

Posted by: rushbabe at June 02, 2009 10:18 AM (LKkE

--I don;t doubt for a second that Gov. Palin could picture her son as the victim.

Thanks, Governor!

119 You did see the statement of condemnation of the recruiter killing by Code Pink, right?

No? Gosh, I could have sworn the peaceniks issued a statement. I must have missed that one.

120 I think that depends on if the prosecution manages to get a judge who could forbid discussion of Tiller's practice to go beyond his conducting abortions

I think this is likely. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if the judge attempted to keep any reference to Tiller's chosen specialty from being mentioned.

121

Posted by: str8 outta monongahela at June 02, 2009 10:21 AM (DkK1B)

--Hey, where were you the last two nights?  I was wondering if you had drunk yourself stinky or jumped off a building or something. :-D

(The Penguins fans have been mute since Sunday night.)

122

But are we still a society ruled by laws?

 

Not if it is being interpreted by our current court system or Sotomayer Weiner.  I see liberals and the news media ALL decrying that we need to get the law changed if we don’t agree with it. The problem is that WE HAD A LAW and the court imposed their will over that of the people.

 

But I am sure those 5 liberals had “empathy”.

 

Of curse Fox is on there now talking about the “conservative” who are apposed to her nomination. They are having a debate between a liberal Democrap and a liberal Republican (fair and balanced hahahaha).

123 O/T Dennis Miller was ruminating on how the pharmacist who shot the 16-yr-old robber could capitalize on his statement.  First thought, change the name of the store to "The Mortar and Pistol."  But a caller improved that with: "The Mortal and Pistol."

124

I did this yesterday at around 10:00 Eastern and posted it:

Google hits for tiller abortion doctor shot = 564,000

Google hits for arkansas shooting William Long Quinton Ezeagwula = 139

Google hits for "Carlos Bledsoe" = 1,130 [And the "Carlos Bledsoe" one includes people with the same name but who aren't the Arkansas shooter.]

Google hits for "Abdul Hakim Mujahid Muhammad" = 190 [Most of which seem to be conservative blogs; HotAir, for example, is in the top five]

125

President Barack Obama suggested that Iran may have some right to nuclear energy _ provided it proves by the end of the year that its aspirations are peaceful.

Waitafuckinminute--

He'll let the Iranians build nuke plants, but block it here at home?

Whadafuckindouchebag.

126 115

But are we still a society ruled by laws?

Not if it involves bankruptcy and a union.

Or the New Black Panthers intimidating white voters.

127 the Commander in Chief has yet to release a statement condemning the murder of a member of the armed forces by a suspected terrorist.

Our twisted Potus, staff, media and public.

Conservatives could commemorate William Long's name with recognition of his ultimate sacrifice through a public service award.

The William Long Award

128 Obama will let the Iranians build nuke plants, but block it here at home?

He not only will let Iranians have nuclear power AND missiles, but he endorses their advancement against our security, and would have America without any energy.

Twisted Potus

129
@115 buzzion

Not if it involves bankruptcy and a union.

@122 Vic

The problem is that WE HAD A LAW and the court imposed their will over that of the people.

My point exactly.  It's gone.  We've lost it.  Will the realization dawn slowly?  Or, will it come all at once?

Not too long ago, I was naive enough to believe that there are three levels at which we can resolve disputes over how the country should be run.  The highest is reasoned and logical debate, the middle is emotional demagoguery, and the lowest is violence.

I figured we were somewhere in the middle thanks to the left's denial of facts, advancement of lies, and results-oriented judging by robed assclowns like Sotomayor.

But there really are only two levels:  Reasoned/logical debate and everything else.  Demagoguery knows no rules, and as it undermines reason and cheapens truth toward its own ends, it dissolves the boundary of civilization that separates it from violence.

When a critical mass of citizens gain the realization that we no longer are a society ruled by laws, it will be time to do unto others before they do unto me and mine.

130 Drudge says TOTUS told BBC he is okay with Iran having Nuke power..OMG.....


Wait a sec. Why is it ok for Iran to have Nuclear power and not us? He should be opposed to on both counts. It is scary, you know 3 mile Island, and we don't want Jihadist to have Nuclear weapons. What is that Alinsky thing about making them live up to their own statements of belief?

Obama is a pure college trained liberal. Meaning you must believe in egalitarianism in all things while humming Why can't we be friends.

131 (who the hell appointed Randall Terry to now speak for all Christians opposed to abortion? )

The MSM, the second it got a load of him pushing around strollers containing dolls covered in red paint. Because all pro-lifers are like him, don't you know.

132 As of 11:15 a.m. EST, the Commander in Chief has yet to release a statement condemning the murder of a member of the armed forces by a suspected terrorist

That's Bill Gates' job.

I'll have Sheriff Joe call him and find out what's up.

133 Preznit Sissybitch McStalinacorn's silence is deafening. Meanwhile, Palin releases statement on Little Rock murder: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2262907/posts

134

About vigilantism and the rule of law re. the Tiller Killer, I'd be more inclined not to look upon it as murder for the sake of maintaining the rule of law if the Left hadn't spent the past 45 years in the U.S. breaking the law to change the law, including over abortion, through judicial activist judges instead of running election campaigns over the issues. And the same breaking the law to change the law happening here for the past 30 years after we adopted a botched abortion of a constitution that combines the worst features of British and American laws (rather than the best of both).

135 Tip of the day: Clean yo guns boys and girls!!!!

136 Has it been confirmed that this jihadist was a jailhouse convert?

137 Tiller is just one more abortion related death.
Considering that we have thousands of abortion related deaths a year, just what is the big deal ?

One more "inconvenient death"

138 136 sow'nreap,

Nope! But he smokes Newports and drinks the kool-aid.

139 138 'Nam

Close enough!

140

He had 2 assault rifles, 100 rounds of ammo and 2 pistols.

OMG 100 ROUNDS!!! this guy was in for the long haul! i was moving some clothes around in my closet the other day and found 300 rounds loaded in some pmags under some winter stuff.

and i'd like to see a pic of the so called "assualt " rifle.

141 Latest news:

The shooter ADMITS to prosecutors he did the shooting.........

but then pleads NOT GUILTY at his arrangement.

Apparently, the terrorist is going for the 'They Deserved To Die' defense:

http://tinyurl.com/kmks7b

Abdulhakim Muhammad, 23, of Little Rock, was charged in Monday's death of Pvt. William Long, 23, of Conway outside an Army-Navy Career Center in a west Little Rock shopping center. He pleaded not guilty to a capital murder charge and was ordered held without bail.

A prosecutor said Muhammad admitted shooting Long and another soldier "because of what they had done to Muslims in the past."

/eyeroll

142

He had 2 assault rifles, 100 rounds of ammo and 2 pistols.

OMG 100 ROUNDS!!! this guy was in for the long haul! i was moving some clothes around in my closet the other day and found 300 rounds loaded in some pmags under some winter stuff.

and i'd like to see a pic of the so called "assualt " rifle.

----------------------

You are aware, are you not, of what the VT shooter was able to do with less than 100 rounds and 2 pistols? 

143

Interesting to see which set of "baby killers" Barack Obama supports:  The real ones.

144 82 I was just over at the Huffpo ( so you don't have to) and they finally have a story up about the soldiers being shot.
Seems some over there are saying this is Bush's fault since he lead us into an illegal war in Iraq, causing untold harm to relations with Islam, causing these men to join the military and thus being targets for Muslims who are pissed at the war.
Wow.

So the Warren Court is responsible for Tiller's Murder.

145 Why would barry-o condemn what he supports?  We have seen with the pardoning of the black panthers where his sentiments are.  Anything he might say would not be true, even if his handlers cage him into commenting.  I hope the military is paying attention.

146 Sarah Palin has a statement about the recruiter being shot on SarahPAC.

147 On the upside, PETA has decided to exploit the Tiller murder with "Pro-Life? Go Vegetarian/Pro-Choice? Choose Vegetarian." billboards in Wichita. Total class, those guys.

http://www.kansas.com/news/tiller/story/836204.html

148 As of 11:15 a.m. EST, the Commander in Chief has yet to release a statement condemning the murder of a member of the armed forces by a suspected terrorist.

And a certain nameless blogger's first post is finally up... it's NOT an update of the facts about the suspect in yesterday's shooting.

149 Too bad Tiller wasn't hacked to pieces and then his parts sucked up by a vacuum. That would have been more appropriate.

150

brian: The shooting of Tiller was vigilantism, pure and simple. And it has no place in a society ruled by laws. If you disagree with the laws, you don't get to start shooting people.

We beg to differ.

 

151

Kim Jong Il names his youngest son as his successor, as he considers his middle son "too effiminate,"(do we take that to mean teh ghey?), so sayeth Kim's personal sushi chef. The papers in Washington sure do have some odd quotes in 'em.

152 Sorry if this observation has already been made....
If I were to give the President the benefit of the doubt, it would be that since the FBI were tailing the suspect, it could be that the government can't really say anything that might compromise an on-going investigation...but as I said, "if" I were to give the benefit of the doubt...

153

147 On the upside, PETA has decided to exploit the Tiller murder with "Pro-Life? Go Vegetarian/Pro-Choice? Choose Vegetarian." billboards in Wichita. Total class, those guys.

--How about: "Vegetarian? Go Pro-life"?

Hmmmmm. . . .

154 I'm beginning to believe that maybe muz converts don't like America.

naaaaaaa. must be random.

155 There ain't a teleprompter in the world that can hold the amount of bullshit that B-Ho would need to convince me he gives a damn about those or any other American soldiers.

Somewhere that evil cocksucker Ayers and his commie cronies are whackin off to this news, and it makes me see a little red spot behind my eye.

But I'm simple. There may be nuance that my clingy brain can't fathom.

156 Wow, there's another Roeder post up at LGF. Still no updates on the guy who murdered the soldier, though.

157

brian: The shooting of Tiller was vigilantism, pure and simple. And it has no place in a society ruled by laws. If you disagree with the laws, you don't get to start shooting people.

We beg to differ.

Wait.  Now you're saying that this guy is the point guard in a revolution against a valid government?  Because that's what was going on in 1776.  If you wanna rally behind a lunatic who shoots a doctor as the tipping point of your revolution, then you'd better be perfectly clear about what you're asking for.

Because the only government response I come up with is "we'd better start shooting the anti-abortion folks."

And I don't think you really want to die on this hill, do you?

158 Y-Not - It would appear that CJ does view this as the second "shot heard round the world".

To paraphrase the great poet Sobchak - We've entered a world of pain.

159 But please note that the media are not painting all blacks, or all muslims, with the same brush because of this one murder.  No, that type of outrageous stereotyping is reserved for conservatives.

I also thought it interesting that the MSM, Andersen Cooper for one, was calling the Tiller murder "domestic terrorism."  Gee, I thought that independent actors were not terrorists, but were simply criminals.  You know, like the muslim who drove his SUV into the Tar Pit at UNC.  The Lackawana 6.  The Beltway Sniper, etc., etc., etc.

160 Of course Obama don't want to talk about this. It marks the end of the streak that Bush had maintained.

This was the first successful terrorist attack on US soil since 9/11/01. The Muhammadan was foreign trained (Yemen).

161 One of these days Americans will get smart by turning off the fucking TV while giving up their movies, pop concerts and Broadway shows..or rather the entire fucking entertainment industry which is polluting and torturing Liberty while causing severe brain-damages to the stupid sheeple who cannot live without their fucking shit-filled entertainment.

It's like the man basically said in the opinion published in Pravda  'stupid sheeple sucking Kingdom Hollywood's shit-filled anal cavity is killing Freedom'

So the next time you are at a fucking Green Day concert or in the fucking movie theater or sitting in front of the fucking TV  sucking Kingdom Hollywood's shit ask yourself  if all the MSM entertainment shit was really worth the price of losing your Liberty.

Posted by: syn at June 02, 2009 08:56 AM (7mgBe)

Well, at least you're steering clear of hyperbole. Oh...never mind.

162 You wingnuts worship a fictional God rather than sacrifice to the Dark Lord. 

163 T Dub,

That's some fantastic insight you have there. Got a newsletter or anything with more of your stuff?

164

Too bad Tiller wasn't hacked to pieces and then his parts sucked up by a vacuum.

Does Shop-Vac® make one of those? Hey--they could call it The Terminator® !

165 You can find me spreading my wisdom and superior intellect at the DU or Kos Kiddies.

166 Posted by: brian at June 02, 2009 01:01 PM

So if someone shoots Bin Laden should he appear on US streets would you feel the same outrage towards such a lunatic? Especially if say a child of this psycho has been killed on 9/11. You know nation of laws and shit. Let the scum rot in jail.

Seriously the more I read this nonsense the more I realise it's all about keeping the civil image in the eyes of perpetualy self-righteous left. No government regulation can make a deed right or wrong. The heart of the matter is whether one believe a fetus to be an innocent human being (and no one as far as I know doubt that he is once he is extracted and starts breathing on its own). If you don't you just say that: fetus is not an innocent human being, Tiller was no different than say a butcher or clerk or whomever. He was just an apriori innocent guy, who was brutally murdered in the same way store owner is murdered by thugs. Same thing, same victim, same criminal. On the other hand if you do believe that fetus is an innocent human being and at the same time believe in civility you will say: sure Tiller was a scum and deserved what he got, but we are nation of laws and we cannot behave in any way but prosecuting the murderer.

But ofcourse it's never been a moral issue for the likes of Allahpundit and unfortunately Ace, co-bloggers and yourself, but an image one. That's why instead of addressing the heart of the matter it was nothing but a series of name calling ("murder enthusiasm", "unamerican" and so on) and occasional appeal to "nation of laws" argument. As If US troops do anything but murder people and as if should Tiller's killing turn out to be legal all will be ok for them. It's quite disgusting how for image sake some people on our side ready to rip their fellow conservatives in such a leftist manner. I would expect it from Allah or Jonson but it's sad that AoS bloggers followed the same route.

P.S. Theres also a legitimate issue that Tiller has been shot in public place and front of his family. That here is what warrants in my judgement everything killer will face short of death penalty.

167

Brian: Wait. Now you're saying that this guy is the point guard in a revolution against a valid government?

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. - That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, - That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness...

 

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