1 Ace - I'd say you know more than Marc Faber.

2

The U.S. economy will enter “hyperinflation” approaching the levels in Zimbabwe because the Federal Reserve will be reluctant to raise interest rates, investor Marc Faber said.

We have the first African American President, who will bring us an African ecomomy.

3 Seems inevitable that we will see it to some extent. 231million percent seems rather high though

4 Hyperinflation seems unlikely to me, too, but it's small consolation. 100% per year, which I think is a real possibility, is going to be bad enough.

5 Unlikely. He probably has a position in treasuries which he would like to influence.

6 I'm pretty sure as well.  It's inevitable when you're printing insane amounts of money, distributing an ever increasing value of the currency over a relatively static amount of wealth.

So you say:  "But Qwinn, let's say they double the money supply.  That means each dollar should be worth half of what it was before.  That sucks, but it's not -hyper-inflation."

I respond:  Sure, but what will they do when they double the money supply, and find out that due to its devaluation, it didn't suffice to actually pay the debt that they printed it for in the first place?  Right.  Print more money.  And more.  Infinite spiral.

Qwinn

7 future headline

After just 2 years under President Obama's wise guidance, 85% of Americans are now officially millionaires and 15% are billionaires.

8 Faber is no idiot.  He's been around for years, and has made a shitpot as an investor.  Don't discount him. 

The great thing about hyperinflation, though, is that you get paid every day!!

9 Hyperinflation is hyperbole. 

10
Is Marc Faber the homo on CNBC? Not Joe Kernan, the other one?

Or am I thinking of Brian Dennehy?

11

What happens to debts under hyperinflation?  If the underlying interest rates don't go up, and my mortgage is still (say) 300K, do I really get to pay it off with a day's wages?

I understand that the overall economy will be a disaster, and having my house paid off will be small consolation.  I'm just askin'

12

Wages must inflate along with everything else in order for there to be inflation.  I don't see this happening. 

 

13 Zimbabwe? No way. It's taken Mugabe decades of incredible foolishness and outright sabotage to accomplish what he has. Obama and friends have neither the monopoly on power or the time to implement policies nearly as stupid as Mugabe's, even if they want to.

14 7 future headline

After just 2 years under President Obama's wise guidance, 85% of Americans are now officially millionaires and 15% are billionaires.

All while keeping his promise of no new taxes for Americans making under $250,000.

Praise Him!

15 An economist that is 100% certain about anything is almost certainly 100% full of shit...

16

You people who think there is any future for the USA are simply delusional.

A trillion dollars for the CRA/Redlining catastrophe.

A trillion dollars for a nonsense "stimulus" package.

A trillion dollars per year for "Cap-N-Trade".

Three or four trillion dollars per year for socialized medicine.

The looming retirement, in 2011, of the Caucasian Baby Boomers, who failed to breed at replacement rate fertility, and who will cost the gubmint $27,289 per senior per year.

Low-IQ third world minorities, who constitute almost half of all children in the USA, and who will soon constitute a majority of all people in the USA, and who, because of their low IQs, necesarily cost the gubmint $22,449 per household per year.

Oh, and did I mention that the sun just quit making sunspots & solar flares? Say hello to Mr. Ice Age.

If you aren't stockpiling ammunition, then you're a fool.

PS: The analogy of Obama to Mugabe is very apt.

 

17 It is possible. The USA is not exempt from the laws of economics no matter what the commiecrats say.

18 Faber is the ORIGINAL Dr Doom and I agree with him
welcome back Carter.....

19 I don't see things getting to the level of Zimbabwe, but Carteresque levels are well within reach, and that will be bad enough.

20 @11

If it comes to that, yes, your debts -- denominated in dollars -- might be very easy to pay off.  OTOH, if you had any dollar-denominated savings at all, it's worthless.

Oh, and the country will have already imploded by then, and you'll likely be demanding to be paid in yuan.

21 10 uncle, you are talking about david faber
marc faber is the author of doom gloom and boom
he is living the hi life in Asia now
and I do mean high...

but he knows of what he speaks, esp in regard to inflation

22 What happens to debts under hyperinflation?  If the underlying interest rates don't go up, and my mortgage is still (say) 300K, do I really get to pay it off with a day's wages?

The bank holding your mortgage will have gone under way before that happens.

23

Will there be inflation of a level to remind folks of the days when disco ruled?

Quite probable.

But warning of a hyper-inflation similar to Zimbabwe seems a bit too Chicken Little to me.

24

So we run up our debts, wait for the hyperinflation, and ask China to annex us (or let them annex us, as the case may be).

Sounds reasonable.  I guess.

And yes, if we're all making 200MM a year, nobody's paying taxes on the first 250K, and O was right about his tax schemes. 

25 How can the Fed keep interest rates from going up when we are trying to sell trillions in US debt w/
a AAA urr AA rating?

Econ 101 - higher risk higher rate of return;supply greater than demand --rates go up in order to induce buyers.

26 Keep an eye on the MBS markets. There are some interesting things happening in the bond markets, as well.

Faber and Celente both have a pretty good clue, but they are really 'the glass is half-full' types of characters.

They think there's actually going to be a market to trade in after the SHTF.

27 Triple digit inflation yes....hyper inflation not so much.

It would be cool to be a trillionaire though. If I wasn't on my phone I'd post a link to that $43 trillion paycheck.

28

Why so glum chums? 

I'm gonna make a rap video with me lighting cigars with money, throwing it around, rolling around in it, showering strippers with 10K bills.

_{If my wife lets me.}

29

There is going to be inflation boys & girls and it's going to be a bitch, just how big of a bitch remains to be seen. The numbers/facts add up to we are fucked.

Have a nice day and thank you Obama & your Bat Shit Crazy party for the great anal sex you are giving us.

30

@11 John at May 28, 2009 02:45 PM (6mZAd) :

What happens to debts under hyperinflation?  If the underlying interest rates don't go up, and my mortgage is still (say) 300K, do I really get to pay it off with a day's wages?

I understand that the overall economy will be a disaster, and having my house paid off will be small consolation.  I'm just askin'

Don't get so excited, John.  You'll own your house for all of three minutes, but then you won't be able to pay the property taxes, which will be jacked up so high that it will make your head spin.  In the end, all wealth goes to the government. 

31 I agree with Hoodlumman, however, I think that a lot of the worth of the dollar is due to the "respect" it gets overseas; that it's a franc franca for international trade. It's possible that if that even begins to change, it will set in motion some very heavy dominoes. Money today isn't backed by anything except for respect. If a stampede away from the dollar starts, overseas businesses, governments, and investors are not going to want to be the last one holding a bag of worthless money.

32 Inflation is certain, to what degree I don't know. Probably Carter-years at least, but it will take until 2010. The only question is whether the legacy media will cover it until after the election or not.

33 Weimer only had triple-digit sustained inflation, and it was certainly hyperinflation. You also don't have to inflate wages at the rate of real inflation. You can simply fire lots and lots of people.

34 No big deal for me, the nothing I got now will be of equal or greater value in the future....

35 I guess it depends what is meant by hyper-inflation.  I'm as certain as it's possible to be about these things that inflation is on its way, but I don't know how bad it's going to be.  My gut and observations on what we're doing to the money supply tell me it's going to be pretty damn bad, but like Zimbabwe?  I'm pretty sure the country would break up before that happens.  Not that that's a consolation or anything...

36 The only way to keep that money here at home is to spend it on prostitutes and beer, since these are the only products still produced in US. I’ve been doing my part.

Dang.  All the good beer and prostitutes in San Diego are actually in Tijuana. So even if I spend my money on that, I'm still not helping the US economy.

37

Our GDP is roughly $14 trillion, give or take. At the beginning of last year, our national debt was $4.5 trillion. Since then:

* Spending $800 billion (IIRC - that could be high) on stimulus last year

* Backing Fannie and Freddie's worthless debts, meaning another $5 trillion in direct debt.

* Spending around $1 trillion in TARP money.

* Printing $2 trillion to give to God knows who last fall.

* Another $2 trillion "stimulus bill"

* General bailouts to auto companies and other businesses of about $1 trillion

That basically doubles out entire GDP in new debt.

Then there are $2 trillion deficits PER YEAR for the next 10 years, without any additional bailouts, stimulus, or spending.

Then, there are our unfunded liabilities: literally hundreds of trillions to Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid which begin coming due in 2010.

How are we not looking at hyperinflation? Not Zimbabwe, but certainly Weimer, methinks. Unless O! decides to get all punitive and redistributionist with his taxation and environmental policies, and then we seriously are looking at Zimbabwe. Their high inflation is, at least in part, from the seizures against and sacrificed productivity of their white minority. If they try a similar plan here (and there were rumblings in the primary), then all bets are off.

38 "doubles out" makes no sense. That should be "equals our GDP in new debt."

39

I'm buying an evil black rifle.

Should I run a bunch of ammo through it -- or keep it cherry as an investment?

40 I can hear the collective "WTF" comming out of lefty baby boomer's pie holes.  To all of the jack ass voters who put this circus and specifically this clown into office, how does Obama's ass taste now?

41 I don't see how there can NOT be inflation at a much higher rate than average.  I don't see it coming close to Zimbabwe's levels.  But if it does, will Obama be on the trillion dollar bill?

42 Tinian an ebr is a good investment but its not going to do you any good in someone elses hands. Shoot it enough to get used to it but save ammo, 2k rounds per gun is a good gauge if you only have a couple.

43 Countries with a huge debt have an incentive to inflate their currency, on purpose rather than by accident. And we will shortly be a country with a huge debt. So rapid inflation seems to be on the cards. I can't see Zimbabwe levels of it though.

44 52% of the population doesn't care. Car dealers are scum anyway. Those bigwigs at insurance companies and banks, screw them! I don't own an American car, so what if someone else owns it? I pay my mortgage and my bank is still there. None of this matters to me, it doesn't effect me personally. Isn't O's dog cute?

Wait... what do you mean Milk is $15/gallon? Why is gas $25/gallon? Surely this is corporate greed or something. O said so! More regulation!!!

/sarc

45 Sweet!  I get to pay back my student loans with all that cheeeeeeeap, near-worthless paper! 

I could take a 12-pack of Charmin, write the words "A million dollars" across it with a Sharpie, and pay everything off in one fell swoop! 

46 Dick Morris has been saying this for 6 months now.

47 I could take a 12-pack of Charmin, write the words "A million dollars" across it with a Sharpie, and pay everything off in one fell swoop! 

Posted by: Phinn at May 28, 2009 03:15 PM (KsV5w)

It would be more useful than currency, I'll give that to ya.

48 For all those who seem to think major league inflation is a joking matter, all I can say is, "Laugh it up, Monkeyboy!"

Some of us are old enough to remember what inflation under Carter looked like and it was quite painful.  What Obama's setting into motion will make that look like a hangnail next to a car accident.

49 I would add a little note that Faber left out; many nations have gone through hyperinflation before, but that was always in the context of having stable, larger currencies around to use and welathy nations to help reinflate them (as the US has done for many).  The US dollar is far too large for anything of the sort.  When the US dollar goes, it takes everything else with it, and we are far too large to be bailed out by anyone.  The US dollar is the trade and reserve currency of the world, while the US economy is the economic engine of the world.  When all that comes to a stop, there are no white knights left to help soften the fall.  It becomes a freefall into a bottomless pit. 

The US dollar imploding would be something that this world has never seen, because of the size and scope of the dollar and the dependence of the rest of the world on us.  This is where things get really ugly.

50

I haven't heard of Marc Faber before

Didn't he found Faber College? Knowledge Is Good.

51 We can trust the Goldman Sachs boyz to save us all ... with Georgie Soros lending a hand.  And of course the unions are there to help.  And we will be re-educated by the very Reverand Wright.

Of course we have to give up everything we own first.

Hail Lord Obama .... 

52 Well, the guys who disagree with him think we will get real deflation.  Ironically, they don't seem to be saying "things will go back to normal"

53 As I've said before, I've always wanted to be a billionare. Too bad that's how much a sandwich costs...

54 "0
Is Marc Faber the homo on CNBC? Not Joe Kernan, the other one?

Or am I thinking of Brian Dennehy?

Posted by: Unicle, if you will at May 28, 2009 02:44 PM (DL+Pk)"

I like David Faber.  Was just wondering if this guy is related to him.

55 Well, it is a great time to invest in wheelbarrows.  I'll make them look like wallets and they will be all the rage.

56

Good thing I have my stockpile of Montana Militia Goldnotes, 1994 issue.  

You kids probably don't remember the heady days of 1994, when porn still meant Penthouse.  But there were fears abounding after the Waco standoff and Ruby Ridge assassination of the jackbooted thuggery of Louis "World B." Freeh and Janet "Loosest Slots in" Reno.  Blue-helmeted occupiers, FINCEN tracking our financial transactions, retroactive taxes, and plastic strips in our cash all played into my anxieties, which were salved (for a time) by the discovery of Rush and the ascendancy of Newt.  Ultimately, we staved off leftist nincompoopery.    

I expect significant inflation, but I don't believe we're headed toward a Weimar/Mugabe styled monetary abomination.  Hey, we have Bernanke at the helm!  Aren't you reassured?!

57

We're all gonna die!!!       Ahh.  There - that's out of the way.  Feels good.

There will be devaluation of currency at some point.  How much is hard to say - there's no effective predictive formula.  In addition to the new money printing, the dollar has been artificially maintained at a high value for a long time, in spite of a massive trade imbalance.  The dollar has to drop as a result of that problem.  If that had been allowed to happen naturally the manufacturing base would not have suffered so much in recent years, thus averting some of this painful change.  So, no doubt the dollar will sink, probably quite a bit.

However, we do NOT have a static amount of goods.  We're more productive every year.  We have enormous industrial capacity sitting around idle, and could easily expand it.  We still make a lot of stuff, despite the losses to low-cost-countries.  Lean initiatives have driven huge amounts of waste out of our systems, and freed up significant labor for other purposes.  Also, not all the cash that is printed is is circulation.  The Chinese and many others are sitting on piles of it, not spending it.  It's not the amount of dollars per volume of goods - it's the amount of dollars circulating.  Money sitting in a heap somewhere isn't participating in the economic equasion in the same way as money being spent. 

In any case, Europe did have hyperinflation for a while.  Lots of bad stuff happened.  And life went on.  We're not likely to have starvation or all become homeless bums living under bridges.  Let's get a grip.  Maybe we will have issues with slum uprisings, but frankly that may prove to be the excuse we need to take care of another festering problem...  Removing the underclass is a fine way to cut costs for the State.

 

58 Wow, this is so depressing. 

59 22 What happens to debts under hyperinflation?  If the underlying interest rates don't go up, and my mortgage is still (say) 300K, do I really get to pay it off with a day's wages?

The bank holding your mortgage will have gone under way before that happens.

Chemjeff:  I have had two "banks" fail, but I still am paying my mortgage to someone.

60

Duh! When you owe money, the best thing that can happen is for the dollars you pay back to be worth less than the dollars you borrowed. All the better if your debt is in the tens of trillions and you can control the inflation rate.

Hyperinflation is hyperbole. 

Yeah. Just checked Wikipedia: when you start expressing inflation as a "per month" stat, you've got hyperinflation.

61 My only consolation is that Barry is going to take down a lot of other countries in the wake of our demise.  According to the WSJ, "Caribbean nations say they will be the economic victims of President Obama's proposals to collect more taxes on the offshore transactions of U.S. individuals and corporations...The Caribbean officials said their tourism sector could take a hit from legislation aimed at taxing offshore activity" as "U.S. execs and holders of offshore accounts make regular visits to meet with island lawyers and accountants and play golf, dine and shop when they do... A common theme from opponents of Democratic proposals on tax havens is that the offshore activities of U.S. businesses aren't illegal, and in some cases were designed by Congress to help companies lower their tax burden."   So I guess Ogabe is screwing everyone in his path.

62 The Treasury auctioned off 100 billion this week and the Federal Reserve took a chunk (monetized the debt) of the 2-year auction. Long term rates went to 3.75% on the 10-year with a sharper yield curve resulting. There's another 100 billion auction next week and 7 or 8 more of the same before September. Think about that. I think the Fed will be buying even more on orders to keep the interest rate low. The backlash hopefully will be that buyers will refuse to fund the debt unless interest rates are jacked higher (T-notes bought at auction for many less dollars than the Fed wants). There will come a point when buyers if they see inflation beginning will simply refuse to buy at anything close to the rates the Treasury wants. In that case, the Government has a choice to make. Continue issuing debt that the Fed buys and monetizes or sack up and let the interest rates go wherever they need to. The only sane course is the latter since it puts the creditors in control and provides some security and sanity to the whole process. This scenario will also help control inflation to some degree but at the cost of starving cash for business and mortgages and government's spending. With the current budgets, these large auctions will be occurring forever since there is no way to ever run a surplus because debt service will approach GNP at some point. Also the future budget numbers we're seeing now don't even consider the probable net additional expenditures by the government for cap and trade regulation and healthcare among other things, nor all the off-balance sheet governmental liabilities like pension guarantees, warranties, and assumed mortgages. Things are likely much worse than they seem. That the Administration would even consider taking on healthcare for the uninsured and energy policy with what's facing them is just insane. This is why governments should always run surpluses in good times to provide a cushion for bad times. They used to do this. Not any longer.

63 A big problem is we have Barry at the helm ... and the evil Rahm Emanuel ... who believes in taking advantage of a (manufactured) crisis to promote his Marxist state.  He is the engineer of the required service to state for children and/or college kids.  That was even in the bill in congress, but the mandatory part was removed (for now) before it went to the senate.

And the 52% still haven't figured out the politicians and money men are content with raping and pillaging America ... they still believe the unicorn is on the way, and Barry has the biggest heart in the world.

Good gawd ...  and some haven't figured out that economic engineering has been a dismal failure ... but then it seems more designed to transfer assets to the powerful, not to save the nation.  The 52% are drinking the grape koolaid, and fully expect they'll have nirvana on the other side.  The "blame Bush, I inherited this" mantra will carry Barry for another year ... maybe ...

64 I mentioned hyperinflation to my liberal friends yesterday. They looked at me as if I grew a second head.

The liberal meme is that the economy will improve by the end of the year. I just heard Rush say the same thing yesterday. The Messiah will take care of all of us.

If hyperinflation does happen, the 52% will be fine with it, and the media will explain that costs have to go up to save the earth.

Personally, I'm stockpiling food.

And ammo.  If I could find it.

65 The only way to keep that money here at home is to spend it on prostitutes and beer, since these are the only products still produced in US. - Hmm, can you say Ruger, Winchester, Colt, Federal, etc.?

66 We're not likely to have starvation or all become homeless bums living under bridges.

No, that'll happen when the economy tanks after Bush's tax cuts expire on 1 Jan 2011 - ready for your 3 to 4.5% tax increase? - and Obama's tax hikes (VAT, income, etc) kick in. Once OPEC starts using the euro as their unit of currency, then our imports will become just that much more expensive.

Then we'll be on starvation rations, living homelessly under bridges.

And in that case, I call first dibs on Ace. That hobo is mine!

67 So WTF is wrong with interest rates going up????  If you want something and qualify it'll just cost more, right?  Or we won't be buying as much, right?

Are the lefties always bitching that we consume to much already?  Isn't us having less what they want?

68 Sry, if my questions are stupid.  I'm a total econ noob.

69

Good gawd ...  and some haven't figured out that economic engineering has been a dismal failure ...

Posted by: bill at May 28, 2009 03:58 PM (ApUxC)

Unfortunately, you're wrong. The economic engineering is working perfectly. Obama and Emanuel want to break the economy and return America to the 1930's, a time when people thought working for federal government works programs like the WPA was a Godsend. They want us eating out of their hands and liking it.

Personally, I'm stockpiling food.

And ammo.  If I could find it.

Posted by: shibumi at May 28, 2009 03:59 PM (OKZrE)

Buy a press and make your own while it's still legal.

70 "68 Sry, if my questions are stupid.  I'm a total econ noob.

Posted by: rockhead at May 28, 2009 04:18 PM (DvaIL)"

Seeking Alpha and Zero Hedge and Dealbreaker will give you a feel for what people are thinking.  I know there is a site that has complete tutorials on what is what but if you listen carefully you can figure out things just from what is being spoken about.  The banks implode site has a lot of stuff and urban survival too and roubini's website but only go to them if you feel like you are up for some interesting reading.  Whatever you do, use your own common sense.  You can dismiss half of what you read.  Look, even the economists are disagreeing with one another.  Tomorrow is the GDP number.  It's a government generated number.

71 rockhead, no question is stupid.  You should start by reading The Forgotten Man by Amity Shales.

72 @71- been meaning to pick that up for about a year now.

73 In any case, Europe did have hyperinflation for a while.  Lots of bad stuff happened.  And life went on.

That's one way of describing a world war where millions died, I suppose.

74 Rockhead, the economy is a very complex open system so there isn't a way to predict with total certainty what will happen in most cases. The quants can do a pretty fair job of predicting the overall direction of change a good portion of the time, but predicting the magnitude of the change is still very difficult. It also doesn't matter a lot what happens to GNP as it cannot likely grow fast enough to overcome the debt load that'll accrue from the future budgets with deficits as large as they are. Remember the proposed budgets already assume significant positive growth. If that growth isn't forthcoming, the deficits will be even higher than projected all other things remaining unchanged. This is why it is imperative that the government decrease the rate of expenditure increases and I would argue there shouldn't be any increases at all until things get back under control.

75 laddy,
this is what is totally freaking out the traders.  Most of the time they can predict, pretty reliably what may happen and make their trades accordingly.  Lately, they aren't sure what is going on.  the market sort of looks like apple stock looked all of last year.

76 Mark Faber was just on Glen Beck's tv show on Fox. He's Eastern European and kind of reminded me of Dr. Evil. It was a scary segment.

I'm going to have to learn to make my own ammo.

77 "the economy is a very complex open system so there isn't a way to predict with total certainty what will happen in most cases"

That's a big thing, Barry is doing such wild things, that it is hard for business to feel good about investing in growth.  Mistreating bondholders by using his heavy hand, Obama has shown no investment is safe ... HE will overrule, and YOU must sacrifice, if he so decrees.

Of course the large tax increases to come and dollar problems compound the uncertainty.  And Barry seems to want uncertainty, to advance his agenda ... no oil or nuke plant jobs, only fairy tale wind power and solar panels. 

78 "If we buy a computer it will go to India."

Many Intel processors (including the newest Core i7) were developed in Israel, not sure if they're manufactured there though, but then you still have all the other components...

Though at least India is a democracy too.

"If we purchase fruit and vegetables it will go to Mexico, Honduras and Guatemala."

I [purposefully] buy USA and Israel produce here in the UK, coincidentally it's mostly the same stuff, apples, sweet potatoes and dates.

79 It use to be 50-50. Hyperinflation or depression. Now it looks like 70-30 with depression winning.

If you have a fix interest rate you'll be fine. If you have a variable rate well you're screwed.

Ben and the feds has lost control of the situation. The end game is near.

80 I buy produce from local farmer's markets - although Obama has a plan to screw those over.

81

spend it on prostitutes and beer, since these are the only products still produced in US

Careful, Anheuser Busch was acquired by Inbev, so the money spent on A-B products could go to Belgium.  The point may be moot if you buy Valu-Rite.  But then the question is, "Where do they make Valu-Rite?"

82

Rockhead, the economy is a very complex open system so there isn't a way to predict with total certainty what will happen in most cases. The quants can do a pretty fair job of predicting the overall direction of change a good portion of the time, but predicting the magnitude of the change is still very difficult.

Well the guys who did predict the overall direction in 2006 are saying now predicting Hyperinflation. If you are going to listen to predictions then it is important to listen to folks who have already managed to do it well.

Lots of folks predicted this implosion...but they are not listened to since they are not Keynesian  economists. The reason we got screwed and will continue to be screwed is mainstream economists on both the left and right are Keynesian...and they are so because they are the only ones that justify huge goverrnment expansion.

Ace of Spades is great but not for economics because they still follow those folks who had no idea this was going to happen.

83 Hmmm.

I can't disagee with Faber.  Hookers and beer?  I'm on the job!

84 There will be inflation, but hyper....? Who knows. Depends on if we can rein in Barry in 2010. Inflation is the politician's buddy--it can minimize their profligate spending by cheapening the value of the debt.

After the Carter Reign or Torpor, interest rates were at 18%, so get into money market accounts.  And don't buy a house--my mortgage was 11.75% in 1981. (Yes, I have refi-ed since then.)

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89

Hyperinflation at Zimbabwe's levels doubtful.  But how about inflation of ten-fifteen per cent a year for a decade?

Likely given the bankruptcy of several decades of Dhimmicrats who kept adding on social spending without insuring corrective measures were installed.  Does anyone believe Social Security will be there for them in ten years?  Medicare?  How are Obama's debts going to be paid?

 

Simple inflate the economy.  In seven years at 10% inflation you half the debt.  At 15% it takes about five years.  Do it for a decade and you've almost corrected the problem unless you keep spending like Obamanazis.

Then you really start increasing the printing of fiat currency.  And the economy collapses and people utilize a black market system to evade taxes and the government.

 

If you believe that we aren't due for severe inflation just keep hoping.   If you were around for the seventies with the Nixon-Ford-Carter clown economy you know how bad it can get.  And the Obamanazis promise to far surpass the accomplishments of Carter and Nixon.  And even a Reagan won't be able to restore a confidence and trust that Obama has destroyed.

 

You can only shred the Constitution once.  Obama seems to be shredding the shreds.

 

 

90 I haven't heard of Marc Faber before

Sure you have: Farber College was named after him, right?

91 Though it's not something with any consistency, one definition of "hyperinflation" is anything over 100% for a few years.  Some people don't realize they actually do see hyperinflation on the horizon, but not at the level of Zimbabwe.  Zimbabwe could be termed superduperhyperinflation

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