1 Who is going to blink?

Obama.

2 The problem for the NOrks is that their primary foreign exchange earnings use those vessels (missiles, drugs, counterfeit currency, etc.)  This goes right at the leaderships pocketbooks. 

I would counter by inviting the Chinese to participate in the boarding actions.

3 Where is Hans Blix when you need him?

4 It's 3AM and the phone just rang...

5 # 1 -

True dat.  The only folks Obama comes down hard on are US.

6 Maybe this discussion would go faster if we just asked 'Who thinks Obama won't blink first?'

7 @6, or what distraction they will use to hide it for another week?

8 Obama may have just had to ask where his carriers were for the first time.  Hope that scares the shit out of him.

9 Shut up, noise machine, we're busy putting a white hating, strict inventionist hispanic chick on the Supreme Court.

10 I would counter by inviting the Chinese to participate in the boarding actions.

Hard to believe the Chinese aren't in on this in some way.  They definitely have financial and military motivation to give us the business like this.  What the hell could we possibly do about it given how badly we need their bond money?

11

"Who is going to blink?"

Sure as hell won't be Pelosi.

12 Wasn't Biden on the ticket for foreign policy knowledge or something? He'll know what to do!!

I mean, if history is a guide, whatever he says to to about this, we should just do the opposite.

13 Obama will blink like he just got pepper sprayed.

14 If only the lace wigs were here, they'd know what to do.

15 Do you have a crazy cousin, who you sort of hope gets in a program to get some help?  That's how the Chinese view the NOrks.  They don't want it to go hot, but they wouldn't mind seeing it crumble.

16 If any of you guys are considering joining up, now would be the time. Between Iraq, Afghanistan, Somalia, N. Korea, and Pakistan (not to mention a host of others) things are not right with the world at the moment and we need good men and women in the armed forces.

If the North attacks the South, I would hope we would assist them. Don't we have an obligation?

17 I feel so sorry for the South Koreans, Taiwanese, Israelis, Ukranians, Georgians, Poles, and Czechs.

Thanks a lot 52. 

18 Is it even possible for Pelosi to blink?

19

One wonders what the worst-case scenario our new enlightened diplomacy has brought us to...

Synchronized attacks by Iran & the Norks on their neighbors? Maybe with a little Hugo Chavez invasion of Columbia or Bolivia?

One wonders if any of those would be wars Obama would be interested in fighting.

 (actually, no, One does not wonder at all.)

20 The funny/horrible thing is, I'd seriously bet that the people who actually make policy/decisions in the WH have spent more time figuring out how they're going to blame Bush for whatever awful shit happens than they've spent trying to stop it.

21 Barry is busy dialing the Wayback Machine to January 20th. Next time, when Roberts starts the Oath, Barry bolts for the limo.

22 It's like these countries are lining up to off us.

23 NK knows it has to go full retard now that it has set off a big one.

This is no time to be or sound reasonable. They want Barry to poop in his pants in front of the whole world.

And he will.

24 Kim Jung Il is obviously mad at the Prop 8 decision. Who can blame him, he's lonely.

25

If the North attacks the South, I would hope we would assist them. Don't we have an obligation?

Yes, we have a mutual defense agreement with them. If shooting starts, we'll be involved with it.

26 19 don't forget the coup in Pakistan and the annual car-b-que in Europe.

27

If the North attacks the South, I would hope we would assist them. Don't we have an obligation?

Yes, we have a mutual defense agreement with them. If shooting starts, we'll be involved with it.

I fully expect Obama to proclaim that to be a "false choice" and leave the Koreans hanging.

28 "I'm whonewee...oh sooo whonewee....can't sumbwody wuv meee?"
Tank you...tank you...weave yor bwood wiff da doormen on yor way out...

29 Wars hell...

30

24 Kim Jung Il is obviously mad at the Prop 8 decision. Who can blame him, he's lonely ronery.

FTFY

31 And to add to the fun:

Huge blast rocks Lahore, Pakistan.

32 Look at Iran.  Israel is about to strike.

33 South Korea's participation in a U.S.-led program to intercept ships suspected of spreading weapons of mass destruction tantamount to a declaration of war against the North.

I'm relatively sure that it technicaly is.

We've been lying about the fact that WE, not just the US, but ALL nations involved in the UN army's conflict with North Korea and China, are still in a state of war.

34 I thought the stock was going to react negatively when president thing said were out of money. Instead it went up.
Probably break 20,000 with this news.

35 Dr. Manhatten -  The NOrks cannot attack without hitting our guys.  I spent alot of time in Korea - if it goes, its going to go fast. 

I hope Obama is playing golf and the professionals can do what needs to be done before he can meddle.

36

Hey, isn't this the thing Biden warned us about? You remember: "...Mark my words. Mark my words. It will not be six months before the world tests Barack Obama like they did John Kennedy. The world is looking. We're about to elect a brilliant 47-year old senator president of the United States of America. Remember I said it standing here if you don't remember anything else I said. Watch, we're gonna have an international crisis, a generated crisis, to test the mettle of this guy. "

Big Mouth Joe's other phrase that day was "gird your loins." 

So get yer helmets on guys!

37 Of course I want Obama to make the right, tough decisions here...we have no choice. If we are lucky, if he as half as smart as his worshippers keep telling us he is,  he will see that the charade campaign and administration he has been running is putting our country (and the world) in grave danger. However, he has surrounded himself with sycophants, buffoons, and charlatans. Where is the awesomly smart and tough Hillary? The cackle and empty platitiudes aren't gonna help us at this point. At least Bush had Cheney, whom even his mortal enemies will admit has smarts..Obama is saddled with a semi-retarded clown as his Veep.

He can't vote present. This is a moment of truth.

38 Good point Gabe. One has to wonder, does Clinton do anything if he was president when Saddam invaded Kuwait? Maybe, but I doubt it.
Obama made clear in his address to the Naval Academy that he will not send our army to war unless it's absolutely necessary. He is staying the course in Iraq and Afghanistan because it's politically expedient to do so. It's pretty clear he would never have gone into either place had he been in charge at the time and both have a far more direct impact on our national security than Korea does.

39 If the Norks attack SK and Obama blinks for more than ten seconds, we lose all deterrent credibility worldwide.  Russia takes Georgia.  Iran hits Israel (via Hezbollah, not directly yet). Taliban takes Pakistan. 

Gird your loins.  It's going to be a long, hot summer. 

40 If any of you guys are considering joining up, now would be the time...

Dr. M. : Though I have the utmost respect for the military and the kind of warriors the heartland breeds, I must caution.  I do suspect Barry of treason.  I do think he wants our finest dead.  I do think he will take them into harms way.   Then the homeland is without security.  Man up, at home.

Pakistan is unwinnable.  Imho. (I know nuthin' bthw.) We as a nation do not have the resolve to win a war right now.  Please forgive.  We are too divided.

Please, caution here. Forgive me if I am wrong.

41 If anyone knows how to deal with nukes, it's all those South Korean StarCraft players.

Scatter your SCVs!

42 "Gird your loins. It's going to be a long, hot summer. "

And sweaty and smelly, us with our girded loins and all.

43 I do not stand with those who want to nuke all our enemies, or with those who won't do anything no matter how much we're provoked.

44 Look, if we had taken Hitler at is word in the early 1930s, WWII and the Holocaust would never have happened.

I assume you mean "HADn't! taken hitler at his word."  unless you are following the buchannaan argument.

Hitler had the Jews in sight quite a bit before that time.

45 WRONG DAMN QUOTE!!!!

SON OF A BITCH!

You had it right the first time.

I don't know why I was reading the russian pact thing.

46 North Korea's military says it considers South Korea's participation in a U.S.-led program to intercept ships suspected of spreading weapons of mass destruction tantamount to a declaration of war against the North.

Uh, given that North Korea withdrew from the nuclear NPT, what is our justification for intercepting ships that may be carrying WMD components to NK?

I'm not saying that it's not a good idea or unjustified, but I assume we have some kind of legal basis for doing this. And would it be a violation of the 1953 armistice? Sometimes even ranting nutjobs make a factually correct point.

47 Waterhouse-awesomely funny

Douglas, I think he meant that Hitler made no secret of his intentions (at least in his book), it's just everyone desperately insisted on believing there couldn't be another great war.

48 Gosh... when ol' Joey Biden says it's going to rain on Obama's parade, it certainly pours, huh.

Guess we should have listened to ol' Joey Biden back in October.

Wonder if ol' Joey Biden is answering the telephone right now, it's almost 3am.

49 Don't waste this crisis, President Obama. Declare unilateral nuclear disarmament. That will fix the problems with North Korea. Provide one of those all important time tables for when the last American nuclear weapon will be dismantled. Maybe Kim Jong Il will wait until then to blow us up. You should also apologize.

What's the worst best case? You, President Obama, can turn Mutually Assured Destruction (MAD) into America's Assured Destruction (AAD). The New York Times, from their office in Des Moines, Iowa, will report that you have accomplished peace in our time.

Surrender Now, more than ever!

/bitter, bitter sarc

50

Just as with Iraq, we haven't settled the Korean War, only declared a cease-fire.  Granted a 54 year old cease fire has allowed the South Koreans the chance to become a wealthy democracy, while the North has languished (how many of us have seen that google earth night shot of the Korean peninsula, with the South's large cities all lit up and the North absolutely black.)

Here's the problem.  Seoul, South Korea, is just across the border, and the Norks have several thousand short range missles aimed at the city as a deterrent to attack.  It is doubtful that we could muster up enough equipment to hit all the potential mobile launcher sites in a quick or quiet manner, if we even have it to spare at this point.  Past that missle deterrent, the Norks would collapse as quickly as Iraq's supposedly formidable army, with one horrible exception...we'd actually have to kill them all.

Obama will blink, problem solved.  After all, didn't Genie solve all her problems with a blink?

51 This is World War 3. We are close.

52 #49
Hey, don't be giving His Hooves, the Blind Unicorn God, and ideas.

But consider... this is precisely what Barry O'Stumblefuckle will do on a conceptual level. This will give him, in his mind, a reason to bang his shoe on the table (heh heh, Nikita) about the need to eliminate nukes... and the West is the place to start. After all we have so many! It's not fair.

I suspect the Man in Pyongyang spanks it every night looking at a picture of Barry McWaffleshanks. Those glistening pectorals... those cheeks spread wide saying "I'm sorry, world, we deserve it!"

53 Hey, don't be giving His Hooves, the Blind Unicorn God, any ideas.

Another typo. I blame Boosh.

54 I think we're forgetting that when Obama blinks, he'll find a way to blame Bush for draining military resources or US face in the world or something like that. Then the MSM will swoon, and we'll be back to talking about their new dog, while the other side of the world explodes, and no one will care.

55 Obama is going to accomplish what Bush failed to do....GET US ALL KILLED

Hey 52, If you are going to sell out your country you could've at least held out for more than 13 fuckin dollars.

56

Who is going to blink?

Not me.  I never stared in their direction at all.

Present!

57 Skynet has just become self-aware and is scanning all databases.

Skynet now has a complete understanding of human history and human nature.

Skynet has just built a starship and left.

58 Barack,

You just had a North Korean tell a half-black man that his penis was tiny. And worse yet, Barack was told he peed sitting down.

Is Barry gonna take that? Is it true that Michelle is the one who wears the pants and gets to urinate from 5 feet away?

59 Hey, Michelle is one hell of a man. But even he can't deal with shopping for $600 designer sneakers and cleaning up wife Barry's messes at the same time.

60 I wonder how those Unification pushers in the South are feeling now.

61 Boy, I'm sure glad I dropped by before I hit the sack.

Thanks for nothin'!  I'll dream of the world going up in smoke while Obama cackles with glee seeing his hated United States falling to pieces.

62 And he doesn't have anyone left to score political points off of. Kim is not running for reelection. He doesn't have to find seats in a parliament or consolidate power. He's got nowhere to go but out and down the peninsula.

Nope, that makes no sense, Gabe. It just insists upon itself. NoKo is not sitting on a hotbed of ideological fervor. Lil' Kim is wacky but he is not insane. He's sitting on top of a kingdom, rich, powerful and, like his father, he's not going to do anything to mess with that. Why is he dicking around with nukes? Because he can, that's why. Because he knows the US is not going to interrupt his little playground so he keeps poking the hornet's nest for food, money, and attention. With Obama, Kim can pretty much swing his junk at him and expect an apology from State.

It's the same script we've seen for the past 30 fucking years. Wash, rinse, repeat. Kim has never, ever, EVER deviated from this path. This is the same "The Mouse that Roared" extorsion he's used for several decades and he will keep doing it without fail because NoKo can only fuck up Seoul without taking any territory and reap total destruction to the regime. End of fucking story.

63

does that mean we back down while he develops more nuclear weapons and sells the technology to our enemies?

I don't see what the NorKs have to gain through war with the South.  They couldn't win.  I don't think they could actually invade Japan or China and they have nothing to gain from nuking them.

And why should we be afraid they're going to sell the technology to our enemies?  The NorKs are our enemies and they got the technology where?

 Why wouldn't the people who gave the NorKs the technology just shop it out to those enemies instead of the NorKs doing it?

Really, the NorKs are only doing this nukular weapon thing because it's the onlyest card they have to play and I think they're bluffing.

How else are they supposed to keep their people in line and their crackpot regime in power without this tension?

64 All that remains is the "Madman theory of the presidency"

65 This wasn't mentioned in Rules for Radicals...

66 Can't I just finish my waffle?

67 Didn't I tell you that it wouldn't be six months before Obama was tested internationally like Robert the Bruce? Prescience I tell ya, Sheriff Joe is seer like no other since Nostradamus. I told you that we might make some unpopular moves but in the end it would be apparent that we'd be doing the right thing, so get those loins girded. Some of you are saying here that Barack is just voting "present" again while Kim plays whack-a-mole with his nukes. He's decided that sternly worded letters are the way through, and nobody makes that "deeply troubled" face like our Barack I tell ya. I know it's not popular now to take the game back to North Korea especially in light of San Francisco being reduced to radioactive rubble.

68
> does that mean we back down while he develops more nuclear weapons and sells the technology to our enemies?

Yup.
But it's not a serious problem since the weapons available for sale probably won't happen until after Obama leaves office. And when those weapons are used, it'll be the fault of the Republican in office who didn't stop it. Leading to the Democratic President next election and so on and so on.

69 @ #3

Hans Brix? Awr No!

70 In case folks think Koreans are panicking about this... not particularly.  They're just carrying on, like normal.  Which, speaks volumes about their resiliency if you ask me.  I'm sure if the Canadians were getting uppity with nukes, Americans would be running around in a stark panic and engaging in massive protests.

71 really what does kim have to lose, he is at the end of his life, he is a mad man, i see no  reason that he wont use his last breathe to fuck over the world, i mean he fucked over his country his entire life... someone explain to me why we should think he is even wants his country to exist to after he dies

72

OK let's start the AoSHQ  (LIGHT 'EM UP) pool...

PICK the DATE that a nuclear weapon will be exploded by a Country in a conflict....

Winner gets a glow in the dark whistle.

My pick 4/11/11..

73 You damned conservatives, always whining.  When North Korea taking over the South Korean car companies, they'll be less competition to GM and Chrysler.  And China has promised to take care of Toyota and Honda.  So tell me how this isn't win/win for the UAW?

If you don't like the hope and change, you shouldn't have let our side decide your presidential primary for you.

74 Well You Stupid Fucks, Take a Look at You NOW!

Maybe instead of teaching generations of kids I deserved to be fired, YOU ASSHOLES SHOULD ALL KISS MY ASS!

75 I'm not going to say I agree with MacArthur wanting to nuke the crap out of Korea, but I will say that I agree that this demonstrates why you never allow a war to go unfinished, and why it's a bad idea for the UN to be put in charge of any military operation.

76 Sure would be nice to have some 'untested, unproven' missile defense right now, wouldn't it, Barack?

77 Tthe purpose of war is to make the other country apologize and renounce its foolish ways.  Fail to extract such an apology, and eventually you get Kim Jong Il.

78 On one side, we have a leader who has turned his nation into a personality cult, filled with millions of followers chanting his slogans.

On the other side, we have Kim Jong Il.

79 "Where is Hans Blix when you need him?" Actually the UN is controlled by the Security Council which, because of the veto, can do nothing significant without US approval. So whenever they do something you don't like...bite yourself.

80 OT -- teh Liz Cheney was just on FOX and said reporters need to put it to Zero: Would you use extreme interrogation methods if you knew they had info that could save American lives, or would you sacrifice American lives?  Let the country know where you stand.

81 ""Where is Hans Blix when you need him?" Typical wingnut - whines when the UN is unable to act and whines that UN has too much power.

82 I wonder whether it would do any good to start hinting that we wouldn't be bothered at all if China wanted to annex North Korea?

83

i guess the solution to NorK is what original roy said above:  let China annex it.  but what does that say to all the Korean War vets & their families that fought the Chinese?  F*ck you?

the little dictator in Nork is bargaining for more "stuff":  oil, food, raw materials, whatever.  everytime he explodes something, we give him more stuff.

and what do we say to all our soldiers stationed on the DMZ?  tough shit?

84 @6

Heh.

85 I wonder why South Koreans so much braver than Yanks or Israelis when faced with the threat of nuclear weapons? A perusal of South Korean newspapers suggests that North Korea's second underground nuclear test didn't cause panic.

86 "I wonder whether it would do any good to start hinting that we wouldn't be bothered at all if China wanted to annex North Korea?" Nope. I doubt China has any interest in adding another fractious population to its already volatile mix.

87 This "Smahrt Diplomacy" thing doesn't seem to be working too good. Maybe it needs new batteries?

88

OT, but it looks like there is a brillliant plan to stop "global warming" which involves painting flat roofs white.   Saw it at yahoo news.

Anyway, so there's no heat island effect right?  Manmade global warming is driven mainly by carbon dioxide, right?

89 Obama won't vote 'present'; he will follow the Clinton lead and vote 'presents'. Obama will go back to giving free billions to North Korea without oversight or verification.

90 "I wonder why South Koreans so much braver than Yanks or Israelis when faced with the threat of nuclear weapons? " Could it be that having fought a war in which millions of their compatriots died they know the real price of belligerence?

91 "Anyway, so there's no heat island effect right? Manmade global warming is driven mainly by carbon dioxide, right?" There is indeed a heat island effect which is statistically removed when estimating global warming. There is also no evidence that it biases the historical record of the temperature TREND. Urban and rural trends are similar. Perhaps you should read a bit before flapping your gums on subjects you know nothing about.

92

I refuse to have an opinion about the NORK crisis until I hear from our entertainers in Hollywood.

93 The Enterprise is surrounded by Romulans, Ferengi, renegade Klingons, a hijacked starship commanded by A.Q. Khan, and a Borg ship off the port bow. Our shields are down, phasers are off-line, and Counselor Troi is in command.

94 don't forget the coup in Pakistan and the annual car-b-que in Europe.

Let's hope they're Fiats.

95

#91

There is also no evidence that it biases the historical record of the temperature TREND

Wrong about the trend.  http://tinyurl.com/qoqccx

96

Yay!!! -- Our resident expert is here.

The klown who could only get 450 hits on Google searching for UN peacekeepers and rape.

While I got 50,700.

That's our T Dumb!

97 so what's the bottom line on NorK?  we're going to give them more "stuff" until they blow up something else?  and then give them more "stuff" at that time?

98

"There is also no evidence that it biases the historical record of the temperature TREND"

There is no evidence because it is "statistically" removed.  I would really like to know the assumptions of those who remove it (how it is "statistically" removed).

So I didn't know that there were some assumptions made by some PEOPLE to create a MODEL? Wonder if that is being ignorant or misinformed?

99

#6 & #7...

I know, I know!!!  The 1st presser after this will be on Health Care!!!!

Feh

100

This is just yet another distraction for our great Messiah's quest to give everyone "free" health care and a "carbon-free" future.

Too bad that in the end, there will be only chaos.

101 Having lived in Seoul and witnessed their civil defense preparedness first-hand, I am glad to say it is top-notch -- and they are going to need it.

 The Pretender-in-Chief is going to leave them to swing in the wind.

102 It would be a mistake to underestimate the obsession passed down from father to son. Kim Il-Sung despised the US for defending South Korea, and felt bitterly betrayed by Stalin and even Mao who put almost three quarters of a million troops in their last major offensive but could not drive us south again.

Also, whatever MacArthur's admonitions became after the Chinese intervened, his actions up to their entry were recklessly naive, and we paid a terrible cost for them.

Recall the Joint Chiefs were unanimous on the question of relieving MacArthur. Omar Bradley and George Marshall too.

103 George Marshall was a moron.  Pointing out that he favored a course of action is among the last things I'd do if I wanted to show that that course of action was warranted.

Qwinn

104 "Wrong about the trend. " Nope. Short term fluctuations in the global temperature do not provide a measure of the historical trend. Here is an interesting experiment... most peopole with reasonable eyesight can see the REAL historical tend on the graph below but. interestingly, it seem to be invisible to wingnuts http://tinyurl.com/cxs6o7

105 Why the Hell are you debating global warming bullshite in a comment thread about what's going on in Korea?

Quit threadshitting.

106 "While I got 50,700." Google Search of 'soldiers rape' no quotes. First Page "US soldier get life for rape" "Why Soldiers Rape -- In These Times" - should have been titled why US soldiers rape. "US trained Ethiopian soldiers rape poor Somali women" Not surprising I suppose. "Ex-Soldier Spared Death Penalty for Iraqi Girl Rape, Family Murders" four more identical hits... "Defense: Military missed soldier's symptoms before rape, killings" "Steven Green, Ex US Soldier, Spared Death Penalty In Kentucky Over (guess what?) ." "BBC NEWS | World | Americas | US ex-soldier guilty of Iraq rape" BBC spreads the news of a proud American tradition... "35 Israeli soldiers rape 11 year old" That's only the first page...

107

"most peopole with reasonable eyesight can see the REAL historical tend on the graph below but. interestingly, it seem to be invisible to wingnuts http://tinyurl.com/cxs6o7 "

Most reasonable people can take "scale" and "context" into consideration.  Does "instrumental" mean that this is measured at the surface, an area where the heat island effect is largest as opposed to say, in the troposphere?

108

"Why the Hell are you debating global warming bullshite in a comment thread about what's going on in Korea? "

Sorry about that, Prof.

109 Considering T Dub took a joke comment about "Where's Hans Brix when you need him" seriously, and responded with a super-serial insult, I think it's fair to say that he's not really here to admonish anyone, so much as he is here to hear the sound of his own fingers.  And shit on everything.

110 "Why the Hell are you debating global warming bullshite in a comment thread about what's going on in Korea? " I do apologize but there are a lot of naive immpressionable wingnuts on this thread and I was concerned they would take those silly comments about urban heat island seriously...

111 " And shit on everything." Naw, merely to add balance to the provincial navel-gazing so commonly found on these threads.

112 Rumor has it that Macke was fired from CNBC.  So now Ratigan and Macke. are both no longer on Fast Money.

113
The Norks are China's crazy-ass pit bull in the region, one they barely control but they do control it.

I'm guessing this is the first hard probe by the Chinese against the Obama administration. They want Taiwan. That's a major Chinese goal.

So, this is kind of a diplomatic magic trick. A distraction, to use BO's favorite word.

With North Korea seriously threatening two key American allies, South Korea and Japan, and perhaps even going to war, now would be a good time to press Taiwan and see just what the US commitment is. They also hold an economic hammer now might also be a good time to wield it.

Any reading of BO's past behavior tells you how this will play out. He'll vote present and let our allies dangle. This also plays into his world-view. He wants a "multi-polar world" with a weakened US influence. Just read his past comments.

Both South Korea and Japan will have to appeal to China once BO betrays them. Taiwan's then ripe for plucking. China's ascension to main Pacific power is complete.

This same scenario will also play out in Eastern Europe, the Middle East, and possibly, South America. Perhaps all at the same time or in close succession. As per BO's speech the other day, none of these will be "necessary wars".

The key time period is right now as to how things will go.

Gird your loins.

114

Obama will blink, problem solved.  After all, didn't Genie solve all her problems with a blink?

Posted by: OneEyedJack

I fear this is exactly what will happen, and today too.  Good God!  How unfortunate we are to not have John McCain to actually do something about this!  NOW is the time to intercept their nuclear/missle sales to put an end to this shit, while they cannot threaten US!  The whole world recoils at the idea of war in Korea,  but if we are ever going to stop this, we must stop them before they have the ability to hit us directly.  It would be a terrible calamity to see Korea in flames again, but we must remember that it will be Koreans who will pay the real price, not us.  If we wait long enough it will be us.  Now is the time for action.  It is sad that Kim judges quite correctly the weakness of our leadership right now and is recklessly taking advantage.  If you think the North is dangerous now, just wait ...

115 "Where's Hans Brix when you need him" seriously, and responded with a super-serial insult" I point out that the US can hog-tie the Security Council with its veto, meaning that it does NOTHING without US approval and this imbecile claims that's a 'super serial' insult. Apparently he's insulted whenever he's not protected from the facts.

116

Our T Dumb still can't explain how he can only get 450 hits googling UN peacekeepers and rape.

You gotta be powerful stupid to do that.

117 Hey gang... he's going to war.

Daddy's unfinished war needs finishing.

He's not long for this world.

The anniversary of the 1950 invasion is approaching.

118 Nothing to worry about.  North Korea is just a tiny little country.  What kind of a threat can they be?  You know, just like Iran.

119 "but if we are ever going to stop this, we must stop them before they have the ability to hit us directly. " Isn't it interesting how the US has started most wars over the past half century while pretending to want peace and security...

120 Someone's desperate enough for attention he's posting replies to himself.

121 "Nothing to worry about. North Korea is just a tiny little country. What kind of a threat can they be? You know, just like Iran." Exactly. Unlike Israel, who has invaded everyone of its neighbors, Iran hasn't invaded any (recall that Saddam invaded Iran).

122

Have we actually proven that they tested nukes?  We can't get in, so how do we know?  If they did test their nukes, how do we know how much they have left.  Could they just be 'protecting the hill' until the supplies come?  We know we can't trust NK, so why are we?

Yes, i know their collection of missiles, etc are in great supply, but could all of this be to stop us from searching ships that you know are chalked full of shit from Iran? 

 

123 Qwinn, that was one example among many, but I am willing to let the number of casualties suffered by 8th Army and X Corps from November 1950 until June 1951 be the reasons. They're more than enough.

124 People, people! Relax. There's nothing going on here that can't be solved with a huge infusion of dollars.

Naturally, some sacrifices will have to be made. I'm looking at you, middle class.

125 Mighty ineffective trolls these days. Back in the day, they were good. These kids today, not so much.

126 122 Have we actually proven that they tested nukes?  We can't get in, so how do we know?

As I understand it, it's pretty easy to detect and locate a nuclear test seismically.

127

Have we actually proven that they tested nukes?  We can't get in, so how do we know?

Here's some info to read.

128

We still have 25,000 troops in country, 55 years later. If the Norks go, they're going at us. No question.

Korea is a fault line. Always has been.

Now would be a perfect time for Obama to bluster, wave the gun around a little bit. Make the Chinese think twice about whether Captain Peace might be just nuts enough to start blowing shit up in the East China Sea. Of course, he should do so quietly, so as not to ruin his shiny image.

'Course, he might ask the rest of the world to help him. I'm sure that will work out just swell.

Managed surrender. It's all so Roman.

129

Someone is also desperate enough to try to ignore the fact that the US is not the only member of the UNSC with veto power.  Of course, this someone also believes in the global wormening religion too, so his profligate stupidity is no surprise.

Now, some have mentioned on this thread that the South Koreans are not overly concerned about Kim's threats.  So the question is, what do they know (or think they know) that we don't?

I for one would like to hear Tom in Korea and other's (who have direct knowledge of conditions there) thoughts on this.

130

""Where is Hans Blix when you need him?" Typical wingnut - whines when the UN is unable to act and whines that UN has too much power.

Posted by: T Dub at May 27, 2009 06:55 AM (rnRtA)

 

 

That was a joke, you cretin. Don't you limeys understand humour? Has the inbreeding rotted your brain so badly that you don't have the basic understandings of a joke?

131 Me so angry.  Me hate you long time.

132 Interesting how those far from the Korea's are so quick to foam at the mouth, while the South Koreans, who undoubtedly know the North best, take it in stride... "Lee calls for calm reaction to N Korean threat"

133

My experience in the Land of Not Quite Right was at Kunsan AB, Korea, home of the Wolf Pack.  I was there in 2000, when Madeline Nottoobright was clinging flutes of Kool Aid with the Great Pornographer.  Even then, our preparedness was exceptional. 

My understanding was that the Norks had enough food and fuel to push south on a 3-day march, which would then sputter and we would be in the position to counterattack with ground and close air forces.  That being said, perhaps the nukes would be employed to take out the ports of entry on the peninsula for reinforcements from Okinawa. 

 

 

134

"but if we are ever going to stop this, we must stop them before they have the ability to hit us directly. " Isn't it interesting how the US has started most wars over the past half century while pretending to want peace and security...

Posted by: T Dub at May 27, 2009 08:16 AM (h0rZ/)

 

 

That's right stupid, the US started most wars over the last century. I'm sure you can quote some Stalinist author who wrote that. And it's not like you limeys invaded every damn country to added it to your empire.

135 Now, some have mentioned on this thread that the South Koreans are not overly concerned about Kim's threats. So the question is, what do they know (or think they know) that we don't?

The Norks saber rattle regularly... having done it for over 50 years, it just elicits a yawn from the RoKs.

Lulled to sleep.

136 "Don't you limeys understand humour? " That was humour? Sorry I didn't realize, humour usually involves wit.

137

 "Don't you limeys understand humour? " That was humour? Sorry I didn't realize, humour usually involves wit.

 

You're a twit so you wouldn't understand wit.

138 "That's right stupid, the US started most wars over the last century." I said half-century. Apparently you need a remedial reading course. Get back to me after graduation. Overt: Vietnam, Grenada, Panama, Iraq, All violations of the UN Charter..that the US likes to impose on others when convenient. Covert/Interventions: Indonesia, Guatemala, Bay of Pigs, Nicaragua, Domincan Republic, Chile, Hondoras, etc...

139 We need Captain Kirk....diplomacy for Kirk was a phaser and a smirk.

We've certainly got a VP with a smirk, but the phaser equivalent...not so much.

I guess I'm just getting too old.  Libs look at hot spots in the world and naturally imaging that they will cool down without attention.  I look back on my long life and see hot spots invariably getting worse without attention.  Libs spit on me when I was in uniform, and they spit on troops in uniform now...they are a vermin, like cockroaches, that can only inherit the earth after higher forms of life are gone.

140 We've spent all of our money and lots of other peoples money, so we can no longer hold off our aggressors with money. We've put a weak administration into office at the same time, so we can no longer be taken seriously as a threat to anyone.

Naturally, war is coming. China may attack Taiwan, Iran may attack Israel, Israel may attack Iran, NK may attack SK, who knows?

Something will happen. It will not be good.

141 There is some world-class, DSM-IV quality projection going on with this one.

142 It's 3am, the phone rang, and Barry voted "present".  We are so screwed.

143 "Someone is also desperate enough to try to ignore the fact that the US is not the only member of the UNSC with veto power." A little too complex for you?. Let me try to simplify it even further. It only takes ONE veto to prevent the Security Council from acting so EVERY action has been approved by ALL members, including the US. So please transfer your whining from the UN to the Security Council members including the US.

144 Maybe Barry should meet with Kim Jung-Il and give him an Ipod with all of his speeches on it.  That should patch things right up.

145 When Biden talked about that upcoming 'global test', he forgot to mention those nasty 'pop quizzes'.

Sucks to be us.

146

Our resident dumbass T Dumb doesn't even know Panama declared war on the US, not the other way around. Panama initiated hostilities.

What an asshole.

147 Or we could send them a bunch of Chryslers to settle them down for a bit.

148 I think it is brazenly unfair to say  RoK is lulled to sleep or "not overly concerned".  If they were sleeping and did not take Kim's threats seriously, they would not have fully joined PSI in response to Kim's second nuke test.  If they did  not take it seriously, they wouldn't be deploying ships into the western sea to block any attempted attacks from the DPRK there (and to also aid in PSI operations).

And because they take this seriously, since they're the one's most likely to take the brunt of the attack, they're taking some actual preparatory actions, along with trying to get the UN and some other countries to do what they're actually supposed to be doing to stymie DPRK.  Of course the UN will do jack shit, like they've done since 1953, but if you're President Lee you have to at least TRY to get them to do something.

149

Overt: Vietnam, Grenada, Panama, Iraq, All violations of the UN Charter..that the US likes to impose on others when convenient. Covert/Interventions: Indonesia, Guatemala, Bay of Pigs, Nicaragua, Domincan Republic, Chile, Hondoras, etc...

Posted by: T Dub at May 27, 2009 08:40 AM (rnRtA)

 

 

Yeah, we're so evil. We've been supressing all of those wonderful "people's revolutions" around the world that were not financed by your chums in the Kremlin. Don't worry comrade, the current occupant of the White House will never even dream of opposing a good old communist take over since he is one.

150 Not to worry folks. I'm sure the State Department is using ISO9001 and thus has the latest versions of the Official Sternly Worded Letter and Work Instruction for completing this letter.

151 For that matter, Tinian, T-Dub's got an interesting interpretation of the U.N.'s functioning and founding charter, to put it mildly.  I'm just fascinated at the pathological need he seems to feel to lash out at these "Yanks" that obsess him so, and the overtly-childish, ineffectual manner in which he does so.  He's manifesting some distressing issues that go well beyond his political pretensions.

152
Our resident dumbass T Dumb doesn't even know Panama declared war on the US, not the other way around. Panama initiated hostilities.

...and apparently believes that South Vietnam was a bucolic paradise before we sent troops in.

153 Maybe Chrysler/UAW can start mass producing reset buttons for Barry.

154

...and apparently believes that South Vietnam was a bucolic paradise before we sent troops in.

Posted by: geoff at May 27, 2009 08:57 AM (SlrXL)

 

Yeah, North Vietnam was just content to sit there and mind its own business and live in peace with the South before US troops showed up.

155 My pick 4/11/11..

_____________________

I think you're close, but I'm saying 7/11/11 India/Pakistan

156 "Naturally, war is coming. China may attack Taiwan, Iran may attack Israel, Israel may attack Iran, NK may attack SK, who knows?" If there is going to be a war...the odds are about 5 to 1 that it will be intiaated by you yanks.

157

"Naturally, war is coming. China may attack Taiwan, Iran may attack Israel, Israel may attack Iran, NK may attack SK, who knows?" If there is going to be a war...the odds are about 5 to 1 that it will be intiaated by you yanks.

Posted by: T Dub at May 27, 2009 09:00 AM (tpEh1)

 

intiaated? What the hell is that? So you think that Obama is a warmonger and will start a major war.

158

I grew up in South Korea (Seoul and Pusan), went to school there, and as a kid spoke passable Korean.  (All gone now, I'm afraid.)  The South Koreans are calm because they are in denial.  They also have Stockholm syndrome, and have done for a very long time.  You will meet many, many young Koreans who have a half-formed idea that the US went to war in Korea because we wanted the country for ourselves, and that the US is what is keeping the brothers of the North and the South apart.  The older generation who remember the war, not so much.  But I don't take the South Korean shrug as a good thing, and you shouldn't either.  There are significant elements in Korean government and society that are essentially quislings, either because they believe in the superiority of their ethnicity (think the Japanese and the Chinese are proud of their blood?  wait until you talk to Koreans) or because they've been bought, or because they want to be bought, and expect to be in power after "reunification," whatever hell-born form that takes.

159 "North Vietnam was just content to sit there and mind its own business and live in peace with the South before US troops showed up." 'North Vietnam"? A phoney temporary division that Ho accepted after being promised Vietname wide elections. They never came because Eisenhower knew Ho would have won 80% of the vote. The History Place (same stuff at many other sites) July 21, 1954 - The Geneva Accords divide Vietnam in half at the 17th parallel, with Ho Chi Minh's Communists ceded the North, while Bao Dai's regime is granted the South. The accords also provide for elections to be held in all of Vietnam within two years to reunify the country. The U.S. opposes the unifying elections, fearing a likely victory by Ho Chi Minh. Another American blow for democracy....

160

Obama's going to vote "present" "pussy" on this one.

I just had to fix that. It was bugging me.

161

T Dub,

Shouldn't you be strapping it up to go fight another Opium War war for the crown or something? Jolly right and pip pip and all that stupid limey shit right-O?

162 "You will meet many, many young Koreans who have a half-formed idea that the US went to war in Korea because we wanted the country for ourselves, and that the US is what is keeping the brothers of the North and the South apart. " Which is true. It is you who are in denial.

163 "Shouldn't you be strapping it up to go fight another Opium War war for the crown or something? Jolly right and pip pip and all that stupid limey shit right-O?" I'm not English, but when did a lack of evidence ever influence you wingnuts?

164 "When a Crazy Man With A Gun Tells You He's Going to Shoot You, The Smart Move is to Act as Though He Really Will Do it [Gabe]:" Does that remind anyone else of a Steve Goodman (Mike Nesmith wrote it) lyric? http://www.cobo.org/goodman/wwcdt.html#rc That's the first thing I thought of when I read that. Am I weird?

165 "So you think that Obama is a warmonger and will start a major war. " Nope. I said that IF a war starts it is likely that the US starts it. I didn't say that war was likely, i.e. that the probability greater than 50%. Perhaps you should try to think a little before flapping your gums.

166

You will meet many, many young Koreans who have a half-formed idea that the US went to war in Korea because we wanted the country for ourselves, and that the US is what is keeping the brothers of the North and the South apart. " Which is true. It is you who are in denial.

Posted by: T Dub at May 27, 2009 09:09 AM (QjWji)

 

Comrade T Dumb is waiting for the day the world will be united under one communist regime. And you're a limey if we say you are.

167

The History Place (same stuff at many other sites) . . .

T Dumb:

Is sites short for sitations or something?

Heh!

And is The History Place where you learned that Noriega didn't declare war against the US?

168 Apparently the quiteman thinks recognizing US imperialism is the same as supporting the North Korean regime - a fairly common opinion among those whose gums flap faster than their brains..

169

The accords also provide for elections to be held in all of Vietnam within two years to reunify the country. The U.S. opposes the unifying elections, fearing a likely victory by Ho Chi Minh. Another American blow for democracy....

Not a whole lot of these elections you are so concerned about have occurred since your beloved North Vietnam took over the country. 

170 US imperialism

The clarion call of the truly fuckwitted.

171

US imperialism

Define that term, please.

172 "Yeah, we're so evil. We've been supressing all of those wonderful "people's revolutions" around the world that were not financed by your chums in the Kremlin." Case in point. Eisenhower himself admitted Ho would have won a fair election with80% of the vote. Read his book - in fact practice up and read any book, retard.

173

170 US imperialism

The clarion call of the truly fuckwitted.

No kidding.  Our imperialism really sucks.  Nothing like the imperialism T Dumb's bastion of culture Europe employed.  No mass slaughtering of the locals.  No uprisings put down by the tip of a sword.  No strip mining of all the natural resources at no cost to us.  And we have to pay fair market prices for the goods.  Its just bullshit I tell you.

174

US imperialism

The clarion call of the truly fuckwitted.

 

The real problem is the current occupant of the White House believes the same shit that T Dumb does.

175 United States imperialism?  Did you mean United States exceptionalism? Sure you did you ungrateful sheep.

176 I imagine T Dumbfuck will come up with some euphemism for 'resisting the spread of the glorious Marxist revolution' for 'US imperialism'.

177

Eisenhower himself admitted Ho would have won a fair election with80% of the vote.

Of course, that would have been the last election, but the commies always meant well.

178 Which of Eisenhower's books should we read, T-Dub?  Or were you perhaps referring to some of the works of his son, John D.Eisenhower?  I can definitely recommend the latter's work on the Punitive Expedition of 1916-1917.

179 The South Koreans hate our guts. Let them use their Sunshine policy to bring light onto the situation. I wouldn't expend a single dollar or life for them. Nor would I do so for Europe, another group that hates our guts. Hussein is what they all deserve and have campaigned for these last decades. Let them reap the whirlwind.

180 "Define that term, please" The policy of extending a nation's authority by territorial acquisition or economic and political hegemony over other nations. For example when you decide that the US has the right to thwart the democratic will of the people... I''ve already given you the example of Vietnam. The US involvement in the overthrow of the democratically elected Moussadegh of Iran is another example There are PLENTY of others.

181

China can probably stop Kim Jong Il’s belligerence if it wants to, but I bet it’s using North Korea to test Obama’s response, especially since Bejiing is engaging in a military buildup of its own.

What now, Barack “negotiate without preconditions” Obama? More posturing? More deferring to the U.N.?

I didn’t think it was possible, but we now have a White House occupant who outdoes Clinton and Carter in the abject failure department.

182 Hey T Dub, plan on moving to a communist utopia any time soon? 

183 The NOrks can't go to war, they can only threaten war.  I doubt the NOrks are "testing" Obama, they are more likely reshuffling their internal politics looking forwards to a succession struggle. 

They may be feeling out the One to see what bribes they can get for their belligerence, but they should have called some guys in Chicago - would have been cheaper.

We did find a sensitive spot with the searching of their smuggling fleet - that cuts into their cash.  Of course the kid may want to go out with a bang.

184 I'm still waiting for my viceroy appointment to one of the far flung colonies of this US empire y'all are talking about. I'm thinking that viceroy of Papau New Guinnie might fit my qualifications.

185 Pendejo is onto something here - I'll take Resident Magistrate of San Marino.

186

"Define that term, please" The policy of extending a nation's authority by territorial acquisition or economic and political hegemony over other nations. For example when you decide that the US has the right to thwart the democratic will of the people... I''ve already given you the example of Vietnam. The US involvement in the overthrow of the democratically elected Moussadegh of Iran is another example There are PLENTY of others.

 

The democratic will of the people in Vietnam. Yeah we saw that with as many of them as possible who fled the commie utopia after the North took over the country. I'm sure that Pol Pot was the democratic will of the people too.

I imagine that T Dumb is just a ponytailed, Che loving, commie douche.

187

Yeah, "half of North Korea is starving."

If you're starving, and your neighbor has plenty of food, are you more or less likely to listen to some nut telling you to attack your neighbor?

 

188 I call dibs on the U.S. Virgin Islands.

189 I''ve already given you the example of Vietnam.

BWAHAHAHA! Ignore the Bear behind the curtain, eh, T Drivel? Holy fuck you Marxist shit-for-brains are transparent.

190

The policy of extending a nation's authority by (1) territorial acquisition or (2) economic and (3) political hegemony over other nations.

1.  Number of Mexicans who use the term "imperialism": ZERO.  Because other than that case, I call bullshit.

2. Like free trade agreements, right?

3. Here's your problem on the political front, TDub--the folks you are sticking up for as representing the "will of the people" were not democrats (small "d").  That's right, everyone from Moussadegh to Allende to Ho to Chavez were and are totalitarian thugs.  And then when the US actually DOES intervene on the side of democracy (Haiti, Iraq, Afghanistan, Panama), that is imperialism, too.  You represent the typical Euroweenie, when we look inward we abandoning or responsibilties, when we look outward, we are meddling.  Make up your mind. 

191

Yeah, "half of North Korea is starving."

The other half is in the military and isn't.

192 This troll is like a throw back to the smelly pseudo marxists of my college years.  So absolutely convinced of the fundamental evil of capitalism and the oppressive nature of the Pax Americana, even as they bask in the freedom and plenty that both of those things provide.  The mental and emotional equivalent of a spoiled teenager.

193

chalk another victory up for "soft" diplomacy!

awesome! 

194 I fear they have awakened a giant, sleeping poseur and filled his wife with a terrible risotto.

195
meaning that it does NOTHING without US approval

You had me at "nothing."

196 T dumb has been quiet for a while. The home that he's staying at must have found him out and put him back into his straightjacket.

197

127

Thanks.  Never heard of the Con. Phoenix before.  I knew we could watch for seismic activity,but I didn't know how we test for real trace.

Ground activity can be replicated I would think, air quality, etc., can't be.  That is what I was asking.  Perfect answer, thanks again.

198

Overt: Vietnam, Grenada, Panama, Iraq, All violations of the UN Charter

This is like watching a retard punch himself in the face...

199

thinks recognizing US imperialism

That "imperialism" rid the world of Hitler & Saddam.

Dumbass.

200

That "imperialism" rid the world of Hitler & Saddam.

Dumbass

 

Don't get him started on WWII. It's a slide into pure Marxist fantasy land and revisionist history.

201

Can't Lightworker just settle this whole Korean mess by giving a speech?

I mean, really, the Korean War happened before he was even born! It doesn't count as "his problem".

 

202

(ringing phone, 3 a.m.)

Obumbles (groggy) :  Uh, um, uh, hello?

Kim Jong Il:  Hurroh, Belly.  I'm going to keer you and have dat Portagee water dog for dinna.

Obumbles: Michelle, it's for you.

 

203 "Don't you limeys understand humour? " That was humour? Sorry I didn't realize, humour usually involves wit.

Actually it was quite funny if you have the proper pre-requisites.  Do you always find yourself lost when you barge in on other people's conversations?  Being completely clueless as to what he was referencing didn't stop you at all from opening your stupid pie hole.  In the future, if you don't know what someone is talking about, it is perfectly acceptable to shut the fuck up.

204 Republicans can screw things up but it takes uber libera....communists like Obama and Pelosi to really, really screw them up.

We are going to look back on GWB's time in office as the golden days.

Oh and Jimmy Carter has a huge grin on his face.

205 great, sounds like another 11 years of UN (useless nations) sanctions against an idiot who doesn't give a fuck. way to go barry

206

The point in hinting that we wouldn't mind if China took over North Korea isn't that we want them to do so, but that KJI would realize he does have something to lose.

Now, he's probably already pretty keen to stay in China's good graces, so it might not give him anything to fear. China may be just fine with all he's been doing. I don't know.

207 What exactly does T-Dub know about Korea?  Ever been there?  He doesn't seem English (doesn't write well enough) but he seems like a Chomskyite.

208

North Korean threats are empty.  They don't have the muscle to do anything.  Not only are their people starving, but their army is undernourished to the point that regular army units can not do physical exercises for the full amount of time.  Even the special forces, which are an oversized portion of the North Korean military, are affected for the worse.

North Korea can not win a war with the South, or really anybody.  I was one of the guys sitting in one of the jets that would deliver a devastating response to the North in the event of an invasion.  The North could seriously wound the South, but any war they start would consume them and they know it.

The North has ten thousand artillery tubes pointed at Seoul, which holds half the population of South Korea.  Millions might die should the North open fire but within a week of that war, North Korea would cease to exist.  We would extinguish what there is of North Korea from the air.  That would mean the end of cognac, Swedish hookers, and the good life for Kim Jong Il and that's the last thing he wants. 

The few hundred families in Pyongyang who run North Korea don't want a war either.  In the last Korean War we leveled their cities and they are terrified of that happenning again, so terrified they've spent the last half century burrowing into the Earth to hide all their facilities.  At the end of all that, the display of our smart bombs in Iraq demonstrated their effort was futile.

North Korea threatens because threats are all they have left and threats have worked so well in the past.  The threats will work this time, too, because Obama not only doesn't know squat about foreign policy, but what he does know is wrong.  He's an empty suit and the North Koreans know it.  When the first response to North Korean nuke tests from the US is a stern statement that we'll file a complaint with the UN, the North Koreans probably laughed, knowing from such a feeble response they've won this engagement.  Kim's response to a UN complaint is probably, "Cognac for everyone!"

209

Did I mention I am a gay black man and think Tdub is so brillant and sexy.  I mean the way he looks in high heels and a teddy!   And he can rpeat Rules for Radicals line for line.  And he brought his little nephew over for a threesome.  What a man!

His moral compass is so strong that it aliens with our Fearless Leader 1000%.   No independent though tolerated here.  He is such a good lemming.

 

210

Americans are all evil.  If it weren't for the glorious forces of progressivism the world would be mired in racism, hatred and bigotry.  Brave progressives such as myself, annointed by God (Obama himself) have been given the divine power to attack all who do not meet our standards by virtue of my gravity bending intellect, incredible education (several degrees purchased from the back of soap boxes), and my vast superiority in morality based on mind altering mushrooms.  Notice how I have run rings around you while evading and skillfully altering facts to suit my narrative?   Why I follow the Biden-Obama school of Newspeak where facts mean what I choose them to mean.

Hanoi was a paradise that sent its agents to correct the running dogs of Wall Street by the hundreds of thousands just as comrade Stalin killed all those evil Ukranian peasants who wouldn't tow the line.  They got what they deserve.

 

Did I mention I love Saddam's creative use of shredders or Castro's brillance in bringing prosperity to Cuba,  Wouldn't we all be better if we embraced Mugabe and modelled our socities' on Zimbabwe?

Weren't Ayers and Wright voices of reason crying for harmony and diversity against you wingnuts?   Why I make these comments whenever my minders don't notice I've slipped out and haven't taken my meds.

 

Yes we can!

211 Does anyone else think Kim is dying, and he wants to go out with a bang?

212 Help me out. You yanks carried out more than 1000 nuclear test so why do you get so sniveley when the N Koreans carry out two?

213 "What exactly does T-Dub know about Korea? Ever been there?" I can read. You should try it sometime retard.

214 "That "imperialism" rid the world of Hitler...." Another semiliterate Yank retard who apparently doesn't know that the Soviet Union was responsible for 80% of German military deaths. They are everywhere...

215 "Define imperialism" Extending a nation's authority by a) territorial acquisition or b) by the establishment of economic and political hegemony over other nations. Aiding in the overthrow of democratically elected foreign leaders (Moussadegh, Allende, Lumumba) or denying a democratic vote (Vietnam) would seem to qualify* *Eisenhower admits in his memoirs that he was against a scheduled election in Vietnam because Ho would have won.

216

"I can read. You should try it sometime retard."

Great, you can read.  Can you think?  There is a difference between reading peoples' words and reading into peoples' motives and thoughts.

217 "Can you think? " Yep. I think people who claim you have to have been there to know anything are idiots. Nothing more than a pathetic attempt to claim some kind of authority without actually demonstrating any knowledge. Either demonsrrate my facts are incorrect or construct a counter argument - then I might be impressed.

218 Airtight case for American Imperialism The LEADER of the US, Eisenhower, actually admits in his memoirs that he didn't want Vietnamese elections because Ho would have won. He saw to it that the elections didn't occur. Harrumph all you want peabrains...this is a clear case of imperialism. We also have plenty of evidence that the US aided in the overthrow of the democratically elected leader of Chile, Allende. Another example that clearly falls under the definition of imperialism. There are plenty of other cases - Moussadegh, Lumumba etc.

219

Damnit! Don't you people have jobs?

I come home and have to scroll through post after post where comments run into the hundreds (or dozens).

It would be so nice if the last several posts were headlined side-by-side. And, it would keep good posts current.

Now tell me, what was that about that axis thing again?

220

"Define imperialism" Extending a nation's authority by a) territorial acquisition or b) by the establishment of economic and political hegemony over other nations.

Posted by: T Dub at May 27, 2009 04:27 PM (h0rZ/)

You mean like the Soviets did for about 70 years?

Hey, I’m all for isolationism. We should stop giving aid and support to countries who expect us to do the heavy lifting when it comes to being a world cop, while jeering from the sidelines. On the other hand, if you attack us, we annihilate you, your country, your supporters and your allies.

Got a problem with disease, starvation, or a hostile enemy at your border? Fuck you. Ask France for help.

 

221 War, what is it good for?  Exposing and toppling the Obama Regime.

222 If you take a step back and look at the entire scope of the situation, the President has to sit down, treat this as a chess game, what is going to happen in order once this starts. What will the effects of NK tossing a nuke on japan, will china step up to the US, will IRAN just take advantage and jump in. Now once the war starts and all hell breaks out, forget about the trade in that region, Oil and all the refuges to deal with running into china, Russia and the neighbor countries. The financial situation on these countries to rebuild will be incredible. just under 50 million people will be displaced in this tight area. I personally think we are quietly getting the subs into place, lining up the ducks and to avoid NK killing Japan and SK, there will be one hell of a pre-emptive strike soon. We can not allow NK to toss the first ball, cause if he just got just 1 nuke out and that was it, several million are going to die. I just believe once again, we are now lining up the ducks asap, and quietly keeping the tone down, media coverage is being told to keep it down as well, so NK does not panic, we need to strike 1st. Have anyone noticed at all for the 1st time, media coverage has been fairly light, its not "headlines" just the top news. I think this is a sign of US Mil organization to keep NK from striking 1st.

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224 I have just read all these post and cannot believe that any person can make fun of all this war stuff and threats from other countries against us or are allies.We wern`t worried about vietnam either,but that little country took out 50000 of our fighting men including some of my family and friends.Any war threats should be taken seriously.Korea may  be small,and starving,but they have allies too,and may surprised the hell out of us .Now I am not very intelligent about the government or other countries intentions but when some country starts fireing missels around the world, its time to take things seriously..I also think that our president Obamma is not capable of handeling this sort of situation.I am afraid for my children and grand children,and you should be too..

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