1 I honestly never thought I'd see this in my life time.

Me too, Drew.  I think I'm going to cry.

Capitalism, we miss ye.

2 In the end, there will be only... Messiah owned car companies.

Their cars may suck, but at least they can hover over water.

3 The worst thing about it is that we all know that this public ownership of GM will never be rolled back.

4 1

agreed and agreed

This was always the plan, and fucking over SECURED creditors in Chrysler like he did makes this GM unsecured bondholder fucking seem like nothing.

Sigh.

5 Remember when private citizens owned property and government didn't own or run the means of production?

Those were some good times.  What ever happened to those?

6 I'm glad the government is taking over GM, because what people want right now is more government in their lives.

And I'm a real Republican.

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5 Remember when private citizens owned property and government didn't own or run the means of production?

 

i denounce you as an enemy to the state comrade.

9 Serious question: what are the chances of a serious "capital strike" in the near future? Like bond holders and investors across many vulnerable industries simply cashing out and pulling up stakes --- possibly redirecting their investment overseas?

10 Well thank God the lace wig industry is still in private hands.

11

>Those were some good times.  What ever happened to those?

the Stupid are winning

12 And I'm a real Republican.
Posted by: Colin Powell



Mee too, mee too !

13 #5

52% of all voters in 2008 decided to make a trade:  economic liberty for the chance of "the 1st black President (omg, lolz!!!)" running day to day business.  I mean, he talks pretty so he must be competent in everything, right?  It didn't help matters that a PBJ and a can of diet Pepsi had more energy than his opponent. 

Granted, the US have been traveling this slope for a long, long time and it was inevitable.  Messiah cannot be completely blamed for this, but he's going to make damned sure that this socialist path is completed by his hand.  Unfortunately, this will only lead to chaos!

14 Getting Norked by Nuke Korea is looking better and better every day.

15 GM says it needs 90% of bondholders (who unlike in the case of Chrysler are unsecured) to approve the plan and avoid going Chapter 11.

    "It's nowhere near 90 percent," said Kip Penniman

Fortunately, when bullies are successful in intimidating people, you can always count on them to quit and not do it anymore.

16 You know what the solution is here?

Give the whole shitheap to the UAW.

I am deadly serious.

17 Get 50 million folks to take August and September off.

18 My grandfather worked for GMT, then GMC for his entire adult life. Started at Fisher Body pounding fenders for Cadillacs.

He was the one that brought computer ordering of sales to GMC.

Needless to say, he's rolling in his grave over what's happened to his company.

I noticed his picture on my wall was upside down this afternoon, wonder what that means?

19 Well, I for one am ready for the bread lines.  Got my state-issued iPod containing inspirational Obama speeches (hardwired in, can't erase them), got my state-issued jacket made of dried rodent fur and has sawdust for a lining, and I got my trusty pair of good ol' American blue jeans, made by Levi, Strauss, Obama & Co.  Now all I need is another state-issued Obama "Yes We Can" T-shirt.  Who knew they were made of papier-mache?

20 who's going to want a car or truck from a company owned by the US GOVT and run by the UAW?

21 In return, the government could demand up to 70 percent of GM's equity, the paper said, citing people familiar with the matter.



What makes this anymore secure than those who held secure bonds in Chrysler? Why is the government allowed to insist on something, security and priority of investment, when it denies the same for private individuals in Chrysler?

22 Hey, let's all welcome American Leyland.  Know why the Yanks like warm beer?  Cause they keep 'em in Delphi refrigerators.

23 "The worst thing about it is that we all know that this public ownership of GM will never be rolled back."

Wrong.  I predict it will be the first big symbolic chop the next Republican president carries out.

24

Russia breaks "wall" into U.S. nuclear market

Tue May 26, 2009
MOSCOW (Reuters) - Russia signed a landmark deal to supply nuclear fuel directly to U.S. companies on Tuesday, setting itself up to control 20 percent of the U.S. uranium market and extending its global reach in the nuclear sector.

WTF???

25 You know what the solution is here?

Give the whole shitheap to the UAW.

I am deadly serious.


Isn't that what's going on ?

26

Gotta admit, I'm feeling a little depressed.  No, maybe more just resigned to our fate.  Everyday there's a new ration of shit from this administration.  I honest to God would rather see Chrysler and GM dissapear than be taken over by the Government. 

There's enough folks here that remembered the late seventies.  After Vietnam, the whole fucking nation was depressed. I called it wearing a hair shirt.  Stagnant economy, inflation, our congress said fuck the dead 55,000, we don't want to win this war after all. Draft Dodgers, come on back.  Oil shortage, sugar shortage, you name it the Dems fucked it up. 

Well we are back in the seventies and the Dems are on steroids.  Its Bizzarro World and the MSM thinks its just fucking great.  The Intelligencia, and I use the term loosely, think its just great.  They and the press are the first to go when totalitarians take over and use regular folks are the ones who die getting things back from the darkside. 

When guys like me, relatively sane, feel the pressure, the wingnuts go off the reservation and you get the McVeigh types doing even more stupid shit.

I know self preservation will finally kick in for the nation but just how much stupid shit does it take for the assholes to wake up?

27 19% of Yugo Motors for the bondholders? Yeah, that sweetens the pot. Do you hear that rustling sound? That's all the private capital leaving the country.

28

it would be funny as shit if, after taking US bailout money and handing the whole operation to Obama/UAW, the whole thing just collapsed because no one bought their piece of shit socialist product.

highly ironical

29 who's going to want a car or truck from a company owned by the US GOVT and run by the UAW?


Ohhhhh, probably about 52% percent of America, half who can't afford them to begin with.

However don't worry, I'm sure some entitlements will be worked in for first time new car/truck buyers. Worked out swimmingly for Fannie And Freddie.

30 #20

"Want" is not a consideration, comrade. The government will somehow mandate that we the taxpayers will keep GM and Chrysler in business. We will have Trabants in the US.  So says the glorious Messiah, and so His will be done.

31 All of this is still being negotiated and bond holders aren't happy with the proposed debt for equity swap, so this process is a long way from done.

Wasn't this a problem with Chrylser, until the bondholders were reminded that Obama's thugs know where they live and where their kids go to school? After these "vague" threats, the bondholders suddenly decided that they were no longer recalcitrant, and went along with Prez for Life's plan.

Expect to see that again. Either take the deal offered by the Prez or something unpleasant will happen.

32

OMG Kratos  you are right

GovernmentMotors will produce the American version of the Trabant

33 You realize it doesn't end here, right?  You make and sell automobiles as a privately owned company in the U.S.?  The government is now your competitor.

34 We are going to need a super volcanic eruption and an asteroid hit on the same day to fix this mess.

35 Just think how ballsy O will be when his 2nd 3rd 4th 5th 6th lifetime appointment is approved by congress and upheld by the SCOTObamaS in a 5-4 decision written by Sotomoyar, dissenting opinions by Roberts, Alito, Scalia, Thomas. 

36

>However don't worry, I'm sure some entitlements will be worked in for first time new car/truck buyers.

 

Obama will create a tax deduction for buying the GovernmentMotors Trabant

37 Ohhhhh, probably about 52% percent of America, half who can't afford them to begin with.

Yeah, you just KNOW what's coming now.  A few years in, when Government Motors doesn't seem to be selling it's brand new Euro-Shoebox Pelosi Hybrid 5000 model, and the economy still mired in recession, the government will come up with the brilliant(!) idea to kill two birds with one stone - why not "stimulate" the economy by giving the needy poor a tax credit, free financing, whatever, for them to purchase a crappy car!  Then we'll have everybody rush out to buy a car they can't afford, it will be a piece of shit and break down, GM will end up losing even more money with repair costs, we'll have a car bubble that will burst, and we'll have bailed out more incompetence and stupidity.

38 Double-digit inflation and interest rates and unemployment will boot Barry out.

39

>dissenting opinions by Roberts, Alito, Scalia, Thomas. 

 

this assumes they'll avoid the camps

40 Its Bizzarro World and the MSM thinks its just fucking great

There's this crazy thing called with Webbot project that does what's called "predictive linguistics." It's a prediction program based on language that, like all prediction programs, is iffy at best. Well, one of the key words for this year is "surreal." Kind of fits right now, doesn't it?

/they also predict the "summer of hell." Wonderful.

41 33 You realize it doesn't end here, right?  You make and sell automobiles as a privately owned company in the U.S.?  The government is now your competitor

Can't wait to see the what happens when the UAW, as owners of Chrysler and GM, negotiate their union worker contracts with Ford.

42 After the government fully owns 2 or 3 car companies...isn't the next logical step for them to eliminate foreign cars in the OS in the name of preserving USofO jobs at Obama Companies? 

43 Ace, you dont want to know what I'm saying right now.  I would get blasted off the site in a heart beat.  The F-bomb is not sufficient to the situation.

44 @33,

Governments do not tolerate competition .

45 Will GovernmentMotors revive the Wagon Queen Family Truckster?

46 42 After the government fully owns 2 or 3 car companies...isn't the next logical step for them to eliminate foreign cars in the OS in the name of preserving USofO jobs at Obama Companies?

Obama will make sure of that when he (via UAW) "negotiates" with Ford during the next contract.  Something tells me Ford will get an offer it can't refuse.

47 You realize it doesn't end here, right?  You make and sell automobiles as a privately owned company in the U.S.?  The government is now your competitor.

Yea, and with The Chicago Way running GM how long before they take Ford over. The smash and grab takeovers of American companies has just begun.

Toyota, Honda, bye, bye.

Don't bow at the feet of The One and his union buddies?....... go home and get your fuckin' shine boxes.

48

Hey Morons!

I have a serious question...Why the fuck is the stock market recovering?  What am I missing here, because between the banks, auto industry, credit card industry, real estate, layoffs,....I CANT SEE THE GOOD NEWS....

So, did the market over-react when it dropped to 6547, and now is compensating, or what?

The news tells me the train just passed CrazyTown, next stop ShitTown, but the market says we're heading back to prosperity.  Help me out here

49 I have a serious question...Why the fuck is the stock market recovering?


Cause I told em' to,.... get it.

50 So, did the market over-react when it dropped to 6547, and now is compensating, or what?

That is what my financial planner tells me.  (And don't worry, he is true-blue conservative.  He is genuine Moron material.)

But this is as good as the "recovery" gets, IMO.  Mid-8000's.  Nowhere near the 14,000+ levels of the evil George Bush years.

51

GM will end up losing even more money with repair costs, we'll have a car bubble that will burst,

And all they'll need is a catchy name. Hey, how about the People's Car?

52 You realize it doesn't end here, right?  You make and sell automobiles as a privately owned company in the U.S.?  The government is now your competitor.

The flip side to this is Ford can now make political ads.  Two can play at that game.

"Every time you buy GM, you buy communism.  Ford: Quality cars for a quality America."  Something like that.

53

48...and my serious question is where is the tipping point to more legitimate tea parties? 

My second serious question is who is the first leftists to suggest O needs more than 2 terms and when is it suggested?  You know, prepping the ground, as it were.

 

54

As a side note, I took a look at Furmburger's scary blog.

The only fucking commenters he has are lefties, and they are basically just taking little potshots at him and arguing amongst themselves of how best to smart, tough respond to scary Dave..

Too funny.

Yes, he really has stirred us all into accepting the new GOP form of Communism.

Fucking scumbag piece of shit. Go back to Canada you salami smelling sewer dweller.

55 We are going to need a super volcanic eruption and an asteroid hit on the same day to fix this mess.

You forgot the alien invasion and Sauron finding the ring.

56 Looking forward to the new Camaro with the stylish racing pedals.

Bicycle pedals that is.

100 fpc highway, 150 fpc city (feet per calorie)

57

>Hey, how about the People's Car?

 

been there: the volkswagen

58 Obama's putting the "Effed" in Ford!

59

>My second serious question is who is the first leftists to suggest O needs more than 2 terms and when is it suggested?  You know, prepping the ground, as it were.

 

a couple more lefties on SCOTUS and it's a done deal-  el presidente

60 I honestly never thought I'd see this in my life time.

Me neither. Now please give us the keys to the liquor cabinet Drew, we promise not to clog the toilets this time.

61 Getting dizzy ...

62 Hey, how about the People's Car?
been there: the volkswagen


Now wouldn't that be a real hoot ? A vehicle once manufactured with gratutios amounts of Jewish slave labor. Of course the irony would be totally lost on Obama.

Perhaps not. They'll just build a plant next to every re-education camp.

63

Yeah, my retirement fund took a pounding like a Vivid-girl pulling a train last year.  Then my sack shrunk and I got out scared, and now have what's left in a stable asset fund, where it makes very little, but doesn't lose.  However, now the market has been going back up and I've essentially lost another 20%.  I need to get out of this before inflation kicks into high gear, but have no faith in the near or midterm outlook for the market.  To me, this uptick is a mystery.

And canned goods, guns and ammo are not investments.  If they were, I'd be okay.

64 I have a serious question...Why the fuck is the stock market recovering?  What am I missing here, because between the banks, auto industry, credit card industry, real estate, layoffs,....I CANT SEE THE GOOD NEWS..

For starters, you get these moves on light volume and today was extremely light. The supposed reason was a business survey group which reported that consumer confidence went from 40 to 54 percent positive in May. If 54 percent of the American consumer is that delusional, you can easily see how we got into this mess, and why they think a community organizer with zero business experience or public sector executive experience can magically bring back the late 90s

65 Just checked the political donations of a Chrysler dealership that stayed open here. President of the company gave entirely to Democrats.

66 I live in the Detroit area.  I am sick of the slow bleed.  GM and Chrysler are dead, bring on the pain now and let them die now.  Fucking Obama motors has no chance.  The union needs to be broken completely, that was the only hope.  That ain't gonna happen with the current administration so stick a fork in it.

67

>Hey, how about the People's Car?

 

been there: the volkswagen

 

I think that is what he was referring to.

68 For far too long, America's carmakers have neglected to build the cars that would lead us into the 21st century. Under my plan, Yugo er... GM will once again be profitable in building the kinds of cars that Americans want. And they WILL want them. I won

69 :You'll have to really be giving GMs and Chryslers away for me to own one again, so long as the Obamacrats are in charge of the operation.  The way it's being set up to operate, a huge chunk of what anyone pays for the car would go to support more and more union socialist Obamacrap.  Let the f-ing union rock sink until it learns how to swim on it's own... 

70

Wagon Queen Family Truckster?

 

that was a sweet ride.

71 The government will somehow mandate that we the taxpayers will keep GM and Chrysler in business.

Yep. Complete with GPS tracking, so we can be taxed for excessive or unnecessary driving. Don't worry though, you can trust your government not to abuse the information.

On the brighter side, the GPS satellites are ready to fall out of the sky, so we've got that working for us.

72 The Revolution approaches.

73 70

Wagon Queen Family Truckster?

 

that was a sweet ride.

Posted by: joan at May 26, 2009 10:20 PM (gEK9

 

 

it doesn't hold a candle to the Antarctic Blue SuperSports Wagon

74 67

>Hey, how about the People's Car?

 

been there: the volkswagen

 

I think that is what he was referring to.

Posted by: capt. crunch at May 26, 2009 10:14 PM (4rBrU)

 

 

why should I listen to a guy whose eyebrows are on his hat?

75

it doesn't hold a candle to the Antarctic Blue SuperSports Wagon

 

if you get the fun rally pack edition it's pretty cool.

76

why should I listen to a guy whose eyebrows are on his hat

 

I don't get soggy in milk. The bitches love me dudes fear me.

77 Our reign has gone on too long.

Summon the meteors. 

78 We are going to need a super volcanic eruption and an asteroid hit on the same day to fix this mess.

You forgot the alien invasion and Sauron finding the ring.

Well, the pod people are already here....

79

Just checked the political donations of a Chrysler dealership that stayed open here. President of the company gave entirely to Democrats.

I'm shocked, SHOCKED!

80

I have a serious question...Why the fuck is the stock market recovering?  What am I missing here, because between the banks, auto industry, credit card industry, real estate, layoffs,....I CANT SEE THE GOOD NEWS....

So, did the market over-react when it dropped to 6547, and now is compensating, or what?

The news tells me the train just passed CrazyTown, next stop ShitTown, but the market says we're heading back to prosperity.  Help me out here.

Three words - dead-cat bounce.

81 Posted by: eman at May 26, 2009 10:21 PM (Dec0Z)

I think the revolution already happened.

82 Well, before it's all over and it's too late, I'd like to say, "It's been fun while it lasted".  Thanks for the memories.

83 Stock Market rally --
Guys on Kudlow a week or 2 ago floated the idea that the traders are trying to make whatever profits they can this year because the economy will really go into the shitter once the Bush tax cuts expire at the end of the year.
Just repeating what I heard. I haven't a clue.

84

The Revolution approaches.

Guess I better pick up that 14.45 LDA.

And they thought Delay was evil with his K-Street project. This punish the opposing car dealers is right outta Hugo Chavez's book. But the story will never see the light of day, because it doesn't fit the narrative.

Say regarding the Fund Managers trying to stop the Chrysler deal, how come our side can never find empathetic judges?

85

66 I live in the Detroit area.  I am sick of the slow bleed.  GM and Chrysler are dead, bring on the pain now and let them die now.

I saw some documentary on housing that focused on the Detroit area, where artists and other "bohemian" types were moving into $1.00 homes.  The neighborhoods were absolutely destroyed, the houses, the roads, the cars parked in the yards.  I give those proud new homeowners a year before the women are raped , the men robbed, and any house looking too good gets burned to the ground.

Didn't look like America, but it is....I feel for you.

86

hey retardicans anybody have a set of balls?

yeah didn't think so.

 

87 Rush mentioned today how Transportation Secretary LaHood (another RINO) wants to "coerce" people out of their cars. Owning the car companies would play into that.

http://www.cnsnews.com/public/content/article.aspx?RsrcID=48578

Rather than subsidizing them so the poor can buy them, they'll just take another cornerstone of the American dream off the foundation (our ability to move freely, 2 cars in the garage) and force us all into subsidized public mass transit. It's the envrio-wackos dream, as well as those who have told us for years how public transit is everything. Plus it will truly pull us into an urban-Euro lifestyle. Let alone what it means to costs of goods, etc.

88

Three words - dead-cat bounce.

Posted by: steveegg at May 26, 2009 10:35 PM

 

I know the concept, and it probably best explains what's going on.  And that phrase is a good one, I am going to steal it.

89

been there: the volkswagen

No kidding? Do you have a Wiki link or something for that?

90

You thinkers are all forgeting about what the new american military vehicles will be able to deliver. Grandma safely dellivered to teh store.. Grandma delivered home, all with a 35 mpg new reg. WOOHOO!11111.

This thinking will kill us..US.

91

been there: the volkswagen

Stupid me. I bought an actual VW last year. Never thought fascist motors would open in Detroit. Oh well. Live and get Re-Educated.

92

“About everything we do around here is government intrusion in people's lives,” said LaHood. “So have at it.”

at least he's a sometimes honest cocksucker.

93

I am a gay black Leftist who really loves, little children, good looking men who aren't black, and love to demonstrate my mind bending intellectuakl skills and abilities.

I worship Obama, he's our JFK.  He can do no wrong or tell no lies.  I do believe.  I am a disciple of this giant.

 

I hope he makes America into a third world nation because we'd like, be so cool to be in touch with nature.

94 If O'Dumbo used the office of POTUS to get revenge on the Chrysler dealerships he should be impeached, tomorrow, and any congress critter who tries to protect him should be recalled, or shot the next day. I see a time of violence coming to the coutry the like of which has never been seen in the world.

95 With government control of the domestic automobile manufacturers will we see regulatory and tax favoritism towards the products they produce?  E.g.:

- GM offers "Flexfuel" fleet wide, looks like a stupid idea - until the Federal gas tax gets modified to favor E85 and discourage diesel.  Which, it just so happens to be what the Euros and Ford invested in.

- Federal government mandates significant insurance hikes for those who don't report average speeds using an in car information system, such as that covered by GMs OnStar patents. All in the name of highway safety and intelligent transportation networks to reduce carbon footprint.

- CAFE and safety details are modified to match government produced fleet characteristics; forcing other to incur expensive design changes

- Recapitalization of DoDs non-tactical vehicle fleet becomes a MIPR instead of a competition.

- Non-GMAC auto credit funds will face TARP like restrictions and scrutiny.

The potential "synergy" beyween a government owned vehicle manufacturer and the various government regulators and buyers could get ugly for Ford and Toyota.  The dreams of some of DoT ITS types to embed a control transponder in cars just got a lot closer.

Sweet dreams

96 This is one thing that makes me insane.  Fascism is specifically defined as a government/corporate merge.  Something that is historically bad news.  Something that is particularly friendly to socialism.  And here we are.  I'm  a little heartbroken that I get to witness the death of Americana.

I think the bureaucracy is too large to reverse, and the life I remember from 20 years back is dead.  We are now a 'social democracy.'

97 I refuse to buy a gov't manufactured automobile or lace wig.

98 The article papers over the raw deal that the bondholders were getting, found in this article from Friday:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_gm_bankruptcy

Essentially, the government gets 50% stake for forgiving $10 billion of the $19.4 billion it's given to GM, while UAW's health care trust gets 39% for forgiving $10 billion of the $20 billion that GM owes it.

And the bondholders? They would get 10% stake in the company in exchange for giving up all of the $27 billion that GM owes them. Small wonder that only a "small fraction of the holders" were willing to go along with it.

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However, for most of you, it may have been easier to see coming if you hadn't spent all of that time watching dwarf pornography.

A little bit of research, and the ability to add one plus one, would've sufficed, and you'd have known years ago that all of this was inevitable.

The only question remaining is what are you going to do about it? Buy another lace wig? Cry in your Value-Rite? Sit on your ass and bitterly complain that life just isn't fair?

I've got news for you. The Zombie Universe has arrived...and you are the stars of the show.

100 been there: the volkswagen

It was Hitler's pet project to provide cheap cars to the German people.

Do you know who will benefit the most from the nationalization of the American auto industry?

The Japanese automobile industry. Odds are the next car I'll be be buying will be one of theirs.

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