1 Given what happened the last time a Republican, RINO or otherwise, decided to take any position within the Obama administration, one could be forgiven for thinking Mr. Huntsman is something of a mouthbreathing retard...

2 One wonders how many more of these RINOs the Obama administration has turned and is waiting for the next time they need a distraction to trot out.

3 Democrats: Taking Republican's crap since 2009.

4 Until this appintment, Huntsman had been considered a likely 2012 candidate for the Republican nomination for President (he recently had begun working with former McCain Adviser John Weaver).

Well, that would have sidelined any possibility of being elected.

5 When the O-team says "We're really scared of a bland, moderate, "progressive" Republican in 2012" consider the frikkin' source.  Are you reading this Allahpundit?

6 so, they were scared of a Republican to the left of McCain with religious baggage?  did he lack a business background and no national security experience as well?

7 What this shows is that Obama thinks his goal is outmaneuvering the insider DC Republican fatcats - the ones that (somehow) liked Huntsman in 2012.

8 Don't let the door slap you on the ass on the way out.

9 David Ploufe recently identified Huntsman as the kind of Republican who could challenge Obama in '12.

"I think the one person in that party who might be a potential presidential candidate is Gov. Jon Huntsman of Utah,"
As another commenter here put it best:

Sun Tzu's first rule of war is: "Always take the advice of your adversary without questioning his motives. He only has your best interest at heart."

I join you all here in thanking David Ploufe for his generosity and altruism.

10 So, the douches that tried to mount us with McCain are now trying to find another "republican" for the next run who's known to be least likely to interfere with the "destroy America first" program with this Huntsman douche?

11

Go take this CNN poll. Half way down on your left.

Should O be given an Hon. Degree by N. Dame?

http://www.cnn.com/

12
I think I have it figured out. Its wealth. All of these really wealthy guys get squishy. We need a reverse means test for Republican candidates.

13 Over at RedState the other day, a good-humored lefty (I know exactly two) had a diary up where he wanted us to say one good thing we thought Obama had done.  Predictably, most of the comments were politely phrased things like "He made it easier to tell the Dems from Repubs."  Should the opportunity every arise in the future, I shall thank Obama for shipping another left of McCain Rino overseas.

I haven't heard a single person in the know who ever listed this guy as a contender in 2012 or ever, with the exception of Plouffe.

14 Jean @ 12---We kind of had that test last year.  Neither Palin nor Thompson were or are enormously wealthy.  That answer that question for you?

15 Isn't this what FDR did to Joe Kennedy, Sr?  Made him ambassador to England so he'd be out of the game as a challenger for the presidency?

16 Here's a heartwarming story about another of BO's awesome picks!

http://tinyurl.com/pkxlmg

17

Republicans CANNOT win with a social conservative slate. They CANNOT. Deal with it and move on.

If anyone thinks Obonga can be defeated with a sociocon nominee, fine; step right up and kill yourself. The country has moved on and so should the party. The refusal to do so is the kiss of death.

The gov of Utah speaks fluent Mandarin. He's a logical choice from a politcal point of view. Sorry if you don't like the choice, but he'll do fine.

The GOP had better prepare itself to deal with the 30-35 year-olds out there who will run like hell from a soc-con nominee.

The 80s are over; deal with it or be prepared to be on the outside looking in for the next 50 years.

18
Janis, settled then

19 Who was the guy in charge of the brownshirts? I think Plouffe is playing his role in the remake.

Obama campaign adviser David Plouffe sent a fundraising appeal to supporters Saturday, calling for donations to stop the "swiftboating" of health care.

"We knew healthcare reform would face fierce opposition � and it's begun," Plouffe wrote in an email on behalf of Organizing for America. "As we speak, the same people behind the notorious 'swiftboat' ads of 2004 are already pumping millions of dollars into deceptive television ads. Their plan is simple: torpedo healthcare reform before it sees the light of day by scaring the public and distorting the President's approach."

Plouffe is referring to Conservatives for Patients' Rights, a group started by health care executive Rick Scott. The group hired CRC Public Relations, a Virginia firm that worked for Swift Boat Veterans for Truth.

Scott's group has been running TV ads criticizing Obama's plans to overhaul health care as a government takeover of the system.

Plouffe said Organizing for America needed resources "to take them head on with an urgent, grassroots campaign to pass real healthcare reform in 2009."

"When the swiftboaters flood the airwaves with distortions, we'll flood the streets with volunteers armed with facts," Plouffe wrote. "When they send lobbyists to tell Congress to back down, we'll send millions of calls, letters, and stories from real Americans asking them to stand up."

20 "The GOP had better prepare itself to deal with the 30-35 year-olds out there who will run like hell from a soc-con nominee."

Yeah, I'm sure those people will be ecstatic to vote for the former governor of Utah.

21 ^{"Yeah, I'm sure those people will be ecstatic to vote for the former governor of Utah."}

Yup, almost as ecstatic as they were to vote for the Senator from Arizona.  Thanks, Scott!  Brilliant advice!

22

I just figured out why BO doesn't come out in favor of gay marriage.  He thinks all gay men should do what he did - marry a shemale.*^

 

 

*Based on the NYT cover story: 'Michelle Obama: The arms, the face, the balls of the family"

^ Also applies to Mr. Pelosi and Bill Clinton.

a drawing of a shemale: NSFW: unless you work in San Fran., or work at the Lion's Den: http://tinyurl.com/odxjjt

/off  well, except for the shemale thing.

 

23 Sending RINO's 10,000 miles out of the country works for me. Especially if Congress can keep remembering to lose their absentee ballots.

24

I don't care if you don't like my advice.

The fact is that the majority of younger voters in this country will NOT vote for a soc-con. That's a fact.

The party had better realize this, or the GOP will wither away to nothing. I have been a registered Republican for years, but if the party doesn't move on I'm going Libertarian.

Please spare me the RINO crap. Don't care. Don't have to care.

Face it folks: the party is verging in irrelevance. It's time for a new focus on smaller government, less taxes and regulations, and a strong defense.

The social issues are killing us.

25 @17-and here we have "Scott", with the ink on his degree from The Axelrod Academy not quite dry, giving his maiden astroturfing performance.

Nicely done, scooter. Even worked in the phrase "move on" as a sly shout out to your fellow turfers.

26 O/T:  via matt drudge:  ^{;">_{"supermodel Iman: Michelle Obama "no great beauty" but 'bright'"}}

27 Hey Drew,

don't want to hijack your thread but I am not sure how to email you rather than Ace. I just had a real weird time watching the Military channel. There is a two episode series on "The Fatal Attraction of Adolf Hitler."

It was made in 2006 and really correlates with Obama. No I am not calling Obama Hitler. This goes into the psychology of the people to a messianic type leader. It starts out as a warning to other societies to be leery of charismatic leaders at times of deep dissatisfaction.

Some of the statements were "to me he was my messiah" and " I believed he was the only one who cared about social justice." His present to the first British head of state he met as a leader of the German people, was a signed picture of himself. "He thought he could change the world by the audacity of the power of his will." How about this? "Hitler lead the Germans out of their depression by spending and public works projects."

28 It's RINOseason!

29

The social issues are killing us.

Posted by: Scott at May 16, 2009 12:40 PM (HzhkR)

Dude - you're an idiot.  It's the fiscal liberalism that's killing us.

30

Oh buzz off "buster"./

I hate this online Jihad crap. I have not been a Dem for over 20 years. COUNT the years, "buster"

These posts are my ideas; not yours. If you don't like what I say, fine. But I am sick to fucking death of idiots like you telling me that I am a Democrat, or clueless, or out of touch, or whatever.

Listen: THE PARTY IS ALMOST DEAD. Deal with fucking reality.

31 _{When your pocketbook is harder and harder to fill, you don't care about anything else.}

32 Posted by: momma at May 16, 2009 12:34 PM (penCf)

Obama isn't going to come out for gay marriage because (at least from an argument I've read earlier that makes sense), he's trying to split the social conservatives from the fiscal ones--hence the demagoguing of Wall Street, playing up his family in public, and efforts (like dealing with Rick Warren) that may seem superficial to us, but are an attempt to make overtures to the other side.  He also runs into the possibility of creating the same gays in the military controversy Clinton did early in his first term.

In addition, other people around the country are moving this along without him and a lot of activists will give him a pass assuming he agrees and supports them, whatever he actually says in public--which is probably true.

33 If Obumbles' economic plan continues to work its magic, the GOP could run Billy Bass against the fool and take 46 states.

34 There were three emails sent out by the o campaign last week.  Does anyone know what they said?

35 I just had to see how you pigfucks here were reacting to this. Scott is apparently the only one who actually thinks in logical, rational terms.

Please, for the sake of the country, please continue to push moderates from your party and keep thinking that "strong conservatives" like Dick Cheney and Sarah Palin are the key to the future of the GOP. While you're clinging to your butt-fucked ideology and telling yourselves that eventually everyone else is going to come around, the rest of us can actually try to make this country a better place to live.

If you really only want far-right fringe lunatic nutjobs in your party, well, you're getting what you've asked for. I only pray that it continues, and moderates from both parties decide to fuck the both of them and start a 3rd party based on reason and common sense, not faux-patriotism, war/fear-mongering, and that actually has the best interests of the country they claim to love in mind.

People from the far left and the far right, while they love to make a lot of noise and believe they are more influential than they really are, and listen to the flapping jaws of Keith Olbermann, Ann Coulter, Al Franken and Bill Loofa-Sponge O'Reilly, really amount to a bunch of partisan trash who get too wrapped up in their agendas to contribute anything of value whatsoever.

Fuck the Right and the Left. I pray they engage in an all-out war and bleed each other to death, so normal people can shrug our shoulders, roll our eyes and continue on without your pointless hackery.

36

Scott-

Did your mommy write that for you, becuase it is very clear you haven't read anything on this thread.

The gov of Utah speaks fluent Mandarin. He's a logical choice from a politcal point of view. Sorry if you don't like the choice, but he'll do fine

We are glad O called him up.  He was another wishy washy, idiot that looked at the polls before he votes.  His stance on crap and braids is not acceptable.  He believed that American voters are becoming social libs., WE believe the media wants us to think that.  We believe that the MSM is leading this charge.  We also believe that any canidate can win if he tells the voters they aren't changing, that their core beliefs are the same, and it is time to stand up for them.

37 AD, It looks like the "wink and the nod" policy, in other words, the "just listen to what I said to you, ignore what I am saying in public to the rest of the world, it won't make any difference to our conversation, after all, we are peeps"

38 The fact is that the majority of younger voters in this country will NOT vote for a soc-con. That's a fact.

Really,

Cite please.

I'm much more a libertarian than a social con as well, but what the rest of you guys need to realize is:

1. Younger people still don't vote much compared to older people.

2. There voting patterns aren't static as they age.

3. While you don't have to vote for a social con, they don't have to vote for you either--all it really takes a lot of them time is merely not showing contempt for them, but apparently that's too much for some people in our party.

39 "there" = "their"

40 Scott is apparently the only one who actually thinks in logical, rational terms

Posted by: idrinkwhiskey at May 16, 2009 12:48 PM (JTYYx)



As I said,

Sun Tzu's first rule of war: "Always take the advice of your adversary without questioning his motives. He only has your best interest at heart."

41
Apparently the trolls are back.

42 Ooh we got Scott and idrinkwhiskey astroturfing. My my, seems that troll welcome thread worked!

43 Wow idrinkwhisky, Im glad your a "conservative". Oh wait your not, this was a post of yours on here:

"I am a LIBERAL - but i believe in the need for a rational, reasonable Republican Party, because the ideals of Barry Goldwater and others of his kind are important to this country. It's just too bad that the GOP has turned to the darkside - the darkside that consists almost solely of people holding up signs of dead babies, who fear-monger over homosexuals, and televangelist preachers who in their spare time smoke methamphetamines and have sex with male prostitutes. I know there are some reasonable Republicans left out there, but they are now represented by the Sean Hannity's and Ted Haggarts of the world.

All of you pig-fucking neo-con goons can eat my centrist dick.

Posted by: idrinkwhiskey at April 28, 2009 07:48 PM (JTYYx)"

Good to see you are with "us". Now fuck off.

44 Well, the trolls are back.

It is a self cleaning oven; the only type of Republican that would take Obama the Hutt's offer is the type the GOP most needs to amputate.

45

This was a good move for Huntsman if he wants to run in 2012. He will get some national news coverage and will have a close relationship with China on his resume. Before the next election the massive debt and continued borrowing Obama is doing is going to catch up with all of us and Huntsman can call a national news conference and say Obama has driven us into to a ditch and resign and run for president to fix it.

 

46

Idrinkwhiskey: God in heaven, a breath of fresh air.

I hope the Libertarian Party becomes the party of reason in this country. It sure seems to be the case that the GOP will tear itself apart over abortion and gay marriage.

Gay marriage/civil unions/domestic partners are the way this country is moving. The absolutism against gay marrige/civil unions is a lose/lose situatin for the GOP. Abortion is going to change in that most people can see that after the first 3 months things change. The absolutists will continue to insists that the moment of conception is the rule; Jewish law discusses the moment of "quickening" and I expect that's where the county will end up.

47

Apparently the trollsNYT reporters are back

FIFY

 

48 Drew,

here is the synopses. Between 1933 and 1945 the people of Germany surrendered their will to a charismatic demagogue who led them, and much of the world, to destruction. How it happened is the subject of this program. Its focus is on the appeal of Hitler�s personality not only to Germans, but to leaders of other European nations. We see how Hitler�s life influenced his leadership style, and how he used the Jews as scapegoats on whom to blame Germany�s economic problems. Home movies of Hitler�s private life, and interviews with those who knew him, complete this eerie portrait. This is an excellent catalyst for classroom discussion on how demagogues come to power, and what social and economic conditions make it possible. A BBC Production.

As I watched this I felt Obama's hate was not against the white race but against the institutions of power to the white race. Meaning capitalism, natural law and separation of powers. Hitler used crises to consolidate power under the guise that these were extraordinary times. His goal? destruction of the meritorious society replaced by the benevolent dictator.

Oh, Scott. McCain was the embodiment of your logic and he really did well against the Dems. Keep that advice coming.

49 The funny thing about retards like Scott is that BO is taking a Soc-con stand on gay marriage.

I suppose this is the latest effort of the Axelrod-types to kill off another voting group for the GOP.

Admittedly, Bush43 and the GOP congress did a bang up job killing off the fiscal responsibility branding, so that BO could run as fiscally responsible.

Cutting free the Soc-cons would definitely destroy the GOP as it would allow BO to present himself as a Soc-con in comparison. An abortion-loving soc-con granted, but hey, half a soc-con is better than those backstabbing rethuglicans who cut you free! Right, Scottie!

50 I'm actually willing to buy Scott's a conservative--but he's from a faction of the party that wants to emphasize that "shut up and vote for me" won't work moving forward for fiscal conservatives, yet can't seem to understand why social conservatives probably aren't inclined to follow this instruction.

As for idrinkwhiskey, here's a guy who criticizes us for being too extremist, then tells us we should emulate *Barry Goldwater* and who's elaborated on how Republicans first attached themselves to social-cons in the 1990s.

The guy's an idiot.  What more is there to say?

51

gay marrige/civil unions

 

Hey ass fuck.  Gay marriage is not the same as civil unions.  This is a leftie trick, and we aren't falling for it.

Now, go with your po to 'take your kid to work day'.  He has cool taser to show you.

52 46

hey, scotty, most of the GOP is fine with civil unions.

And most of the country is against gay marriage, including hillary, barry, mccain, and carrie p.

And a majority of the country is pro life for the first time in decades.

So, what the hell are you talking about?

53

It seems odd to me that people are always yelling about how the Republicans need to stop embracing things like being pro-life and anti gay marriage and yet that latest poll that was released shows that more Americans are now pro-life and also in places where it has been put to a vote and not just passed with a legislative or judicial sleight of hand the gay marriage issue has usually lost.

Also, we seem to allow our opponents to frame our positions on these issues when in fact people like Sarah Palin may be pro-life however she would not legislate away the right to have an abortion and also a lot of conservatives are pro civil union, the quibble is with assigning the term "marriage" to the issue.

54 My in-laws live in Salt Lake. On a visit there in January, I listened to them bitch so much about their liberal governor, I seriously thought they had a dem in office and I wondered how that happened in Utah. I was surprised to find out the governor was republican after listening to them talk about him.

55 ^{"But I am sick to fucking death of idiots like you telling me that I am a Democrat, or clueless, or out of touch, or whatever."}

I thought you didn't care if people called you a RINO.

Oh, and Scott?  When I was 24, I cast my last vote for a Democrat.  By the time I was 26, I came to my senses and started voting for conservative Republicans.

How do you figure that happened?  According to you, that shouldn't have been possible.

56 Apparently the trolls are back.

And deliberately avoiding the threads about the train-wrecks in their own party. Not the least bit transparent or anything.

57 Geez, didn't these clowns get the memo about prefacing their droppings with "As a concerned Christian conservative..."?

Anyway, who's replacing this guy?  Maybe Romney should run. 

58 Well Duh! Who's been "O"s biggest GOP booster in the Senate? Johnny.  So O picks one of Johnny's co-chairs. Scratch mine I'll scratch yours!

59 Actually, though, I would have loved to see this guy get a big fat 0.5% share in the primaries, even with a gazillion dollars behind him.

60 What are the so-con  issues that lost the Congress in 2006 for the GOP?  What are the so-con issues that lost the election for McCain?


Oh, right, there weren't any.

They lost because of what, then?  The economy.  Spending.  Amnesty.

The GOP is 'almost dead' because they've not been conservative, spending like drunken sailors, expanding government, and race-pandering to illegal aliens.

Abortion?  Gay marriage??

Gay marriage lost a popular vote IN CALIFORNIA despite the Velvet Mafia on vendetta against anyone in support.  Abortion?  What the fuck have Republicans done on abortion since the partial birth abortion bill (another thing with huge popular support)?

Scott, you're biased.  Your opinion isn't reality.

61

 Actually, though, I would have loved to see this guy get a big fat 0.5% share in the primaries, even with a gazillion dollars behind him.

Nope.  He'd win because the GOP is too stupid to stop open primaries.  When the left gets a say in our canidate, we will always have a left leaning nominee.

62

Oh no, another troll RINO here to deflower your sensistivities! Listen, Scott is just stating the obvious. There is no argument that shouting "Fiscal Liberty!", while advocating government intrusion into the social arena is a paradox. Scratch that, a Dead Paradox. The game is over. Gay people have sex (eeewww) and relationshsips, people do drugs, women get abortions, wild places have aesthetic and economic value, and on and on. That is the future and I don't care what your pastor thinks.

There are millions of us. The vast majority of young people grew up around openly gay people. They care about the environment, fiscal conservatism, and true liberty. So, say hi to the Whigs on the way out. I, twice a Bush voter, look forward to the GOP exlploding. 

63
Bill Kristol (think of him what you will) makes a pretty good point about Darth Cheney being the most unlikely of Republican MVPs right now. 

[url]http://tinyurl.com/r7haul[/url]

(no idea what kind of markup ace uses)

64

The gov of Utah speaks fluent Mandarin. He's a logical choice from a politcal point of view. Sorry if you don't like the choice, but he'll do fine.

1) You are aware there is many different Chinese dialects right?

2) Hillary was sure a logical pick for Secratary of State based on what?

 

65 Three trolls so far.

66

Obviously, Huntsman hasn't paid his taxes.

That's a requirement for any position in The Vapid One's� administration.

67 Hmmm. If gay marriage is killing the GOP, why did Obama win?

Or will you just say that he's lying about being opposed to gay marriage?  Well, if it's the wave of the future, why does he need to lie about supporting it??

68 @62: Scratch that, a Dead Paradox.
-------
It's just pining for the fjords.

69 Three trolls so far.

Their community's been organized, methinks.

70 mpur: "My in-laws live in Salt Lake. On a visit there in January, I listened to them bitch so much about their liberal governor, I seriously thought they had a dem in office and I wondered how that happened in Utah."   Yeah, he liberalized Utah's Communist liquor regime. Damn him. They'll move to Sandy within a few weeks. I live in SLC. Good riddance. Huntsman has been a damn fine Gov.

71 Okay, I take that back -- We've got mobies!  Port side, 3:00 o'clock sharp.

"There are millions of us. The vast majority of young people grew up around openly gay people."

Dumbass, a very large of portion of commenters here are young including myself.  You are not describing a world all of us know and can, alternatively, call bullshit when you bullshit.

I have no interest in restricting gays.  I do have an interest in barring a pair of scissor from stabbed into a baby's skull and its brains sucked out with a straw as do many others I know.  If this made me unpopular with other people my age, too bad, but fortunately it doesn't.

Last time I checked, even as a libertarian, fiscal liberty does not require that I condone murder and if it ever does, then fiscal liberty be damned.

72 ^{"They lost because of what, then?  The economy.  Spending.  Amnesty."}

To be fair to Scott, let me tell you about my friend "Davis."

Davis is a self-described Leftist who advocates that the government should guarantee everyone (not necessarily just legal citizens, mind you) a top-notch income.  When asked where this money would come from, Davis thinks long and hard and determines that the richest Americans should be taxed heavily to pay for it. 

In fact, Davis thinks there should be a cap on how much money anyone should be allowed to have.  Sure, the people at the top won't have as much anymore, but everyone will have a decent income, indexed to inflation, somewhere just slightly below six figures.

You know, "enough."

Davis isn't a big fan of the Democrats (too conservative) or the Republicans (OMG!) although he sure liked the sound of that Ron Paul fellow last year.

He's been ecstatic with the Hopenchange and, of course, voted for Obama.  He says he liked McCain, though, and claims that he would have been okay with McCain winning...until he chose the scary extremist, obviously unqualified Palin.

So, Scott has a point, in that there are some people who say they would have been okay with the moderate McCain but were turned off by the extremist socon Palin.

But here's the thing:  my pal Davis?  He's delusional at best, utterly dishonest on the matter at worst.  I don't believe him for a second when he poses as a guy who would have considered supporting McCain.

73

now he's going to be hailed as Mr. Post Partisan again

Yes. I was able to stomach about 30 seconds of such-like crap on CNN this morning channel surfing while having breakfast. (And no, no breakfast was 'returned to sender' from the 30 seconds of CNN viewing.)

74 Three trolls so far.

Except for iheartjesus, they're all newbies, they need to prove their mock worthiness before I'll bite. 

Call me when honest cloud shows up.

75

@71 - Dramatic. Very dramatic. I don't like that scenario either, but ack! Call you minister. 

76 Oh come on, you'll mock "honest cloud" but not these people?

Your standards, sir, I call shenanigans on your standards.

77 To be fair to Scott, let me tell you about my friend "Davis."

Yeah, Kensington, I'm sure a lot of hard lefties are concerned about Jesus-cooties that they might get from the GOP.  But they aren't going to vote for them anyway, not even when we run a moderate like McCain.

It's the base that the GOP ran off.  How many blogs like this one have been filled with people railing against the myriad failures of the GOP on fiscal issues/amnesty? 

You can't win when you drive off the base.

78 Your standards, sir, I call shenanigans on your standards.

Specifically - have none, it makes this blog more fun.

(. . . especially when it comes to typos)

79

^{""now he's going to be hailed as Mr. Post Partisan again"}

^{Yes. I was able to stomach about 30 seconds of such-like crap on CNN this morning channel surfing while having breakfast."}

Twice this morning on separate radio news breaks I heard the Kneepad Reporters emphasizing how the "moderate" Huntsman was considered a GOP front-runner for 2012, thus casually insinuating that Obama's re-election is a lock!

I hate these people.

80

Do you ever feel like 52% of America is living in a different reality than we are? The only one who put Huntsman as a front runner was Ploufe. The conservative blogs scratched their heads at the time and said "huh?" How much you want to bet when Ploufe was saying that they already knew this was coming down.

Wheels within wheels these Democrats be spinning.

81

I hate this online Jihad crap.

Yes, because we all know that so-con, Protestant evangelicals just dominate posters and commenters at Ace's.

82 Who would give up a relatively safe executive position to be an overseas lackey?

83 ^{"Do you ever feel like 52% of America is living in a different reality than we are?"}

I feel like I'm living in that Roger Rabbit cartoon where Roger has to be ever-vigilant to stay on his toes to keep innocent Baby Herman from accidentally killing himself or crawling off into some hideous disaster at every step.

Only, in this version, Baby Herman is also a craven mysogynist, an antisemetic douchebag, and a compulsive liar.

84

By the way, if you hang out at Ace for any length of time your sensitivities are going to be deflowered by a lot better than a troll RINO.

Last I checked even us chicks around here are made of sterner stuff than that.

85 Fuck Huntsman and any moderate republican. I have been down a lot of pig trails and at the end there is always a pig.

86 80

no doubt, the whole huntsman thing, with the payoff of obama's bipartisan and obama's biggest threat for 12 is gone MSM messaging, was clearly in the works for months.   That's why plouffe was praising the guy.......and the rest of the MSM.  I bet journolist knew about this a little while ago ....

similar to the spector thing, obama needed to push a news cycle and used a preexisting chip to do so.  for spector, it was the flyover - first american president to actually terrorize his constituents in real time - had to get that off the sunday talk shows.

this time, its pelosi and the dems torture hypocrisy and lying....so now half the sunday shows will discuss obama's "bipartisan impluses" and now "concrete action to back it up"

sigh.

87 "I think the one person in that party who might be a potential presidential candidate is Gov. Jon Huntsman of Utah,"

Question: Has anyone ever heard this about Huntsman, prior to today? And from anybody other than a Democrat operative?

88 Question: Has anyone ever heard this about Huntsman, prior to today? And from anybody other than a Democrat operative?

Never heard of the joker.  Just goes to prove how influential he is(n't).

89 What's up with the people above who supposedly profess individual liberty going off on some anti-christan screed?  I'm an agnostic, myself, but I don't see some christian theocracy taking over the country.  Funny that these are the same people who have no problem with the government instituting "Cap and Trade."  Want to see your liberties proscribed, let the environmentalists start calling the shots.  Frankly, I hope the Republican party either returns to its fiscally conservative roots, or dies out, but as Ace has pointed out before, scoailly liberal, fiscally conservative have their own problems.  Want to see?  Try telling someone your socially liberal, but aganist welfare.  Better yet, tell allyour liberal friends how much you want charter schools.  That always goes over well.

90

Biden reveals location of underground bunker:

http://tinyurl.com/pkxlmg

 

91

and start a 3rd party

Gee. That sounds like Canada's Progressive Conservative Party. (And yes whiskyfucker, that really was their oxymoronic party name.) Or should I say, former PC Party, as it no longer exists having been wiped out electorally in the mid-'90s so that they couldn't even barely hold on like the UK's Liberal Party does today.

In their case, success was having a secular, anti-religious party (in its later years mainly run by non-practicing, cafeteria Catholics) that was Liberal Lite and still only formed majority governments twice since the Great Depression. (And that mainly based on disgust at corruption of long-lived Liberal majority governments rather than on policy--with the exception of Free Trade.)

So I'd suggest maybe do some Googling and/or hit Wiki about the PCs and see how it turned out, whiskyassfucker. I'm sure you'll be happy to find that template for success that you just know is out there.

92 There is a nest of those Huntsman's in Utah, they own chemical plants and Lord knows what else, all filthy rich.

93
Attention mobies,

Your lack of basic craftmanship is showing. Your complete lack of a work ethic is showing as well, ie. a quality effort for a fair wage.

You can't just show up here and start spouting leftard slogans/solutions and claim to be concerned conservative Christians or "lifelong Republicans" and expect to get results.

Please study conservative philosophy ie read the Constitution. Or hell, read Levin's "Liberty and Tyranny" along with Friedman's "Free to Choose" -that'll cover pretty much 95% of the belief set here. Digest the material, think awhile (I know, I know. Thinking is hard) come up with some clever arguments and maybe then, maybe you'll get some results. If you can keep the hate under wraps....

Otherwise, you are a disgrace to agent-provocateurs, propagandists, fifth columnists and certainly a poor value for your masters.

94 muffy @ 34

I'm on the Won's email list, and I could only find two from the last week including today. They're both about health care, how it's going to cut costs for everyone, and how it's being "swiftboated". Sign the pledge to support it, and donate money. They're going to send out the little Obots again like they did for the porkulus, if they can get anyone to sign up for that.

95

"They care about the environment, fiscal conservatism, and true liberty."

WTF does that mean?  You don't think that we care about the environment? True liberty?

Let me guess:  You believe in "science"?

Sean, as it is now, there are people out there who "care about the evironment" who want to curtail liberty.  I guess you could say it isn't "true" liberty that they want to curtail, but I would say that you are wrong. 

As for gay "marriage": how quaint it is that you believe that there is a difference between the parties at the Executive level.  Frankly, I don't give a fuck.  I just don't want Salvador Allende as president.

96 Did someone call me? I was just in the closet, err, out of the closet, errr, on my knees,  err  well you get the picture.

97 I should have said "National Executive level" above.

98

I, twice a Bush voter, look forward to the GOP exlploding. 

 

 

You have to be 18 to vote. Based on your post, you ain't 18.

99 @96 Honest Cloud, I don't think anyone called you actually, but rather invoked your name.  And you appear!  Which should tell most of us who are paying attention that you are akin to a liberal demon.

Hey, I meant that in a good way.  Nobody would ever mistake you for a conservative.  Honest.

100
90
 Biden reveals location of underground bunker:
http://tinyurl.com/pkxlmg

Why can't we trust democrats on National Security again?

101 Oh, and I guess the reason why the trolls/mobys are showing up at places like Ace of Spades is because nobody is reading their rants over at Kos or Huffpo.  From what Moe Lane posted a while back, the readership there has really hit the skids since the election.  Guess it's hard to gin up enough outrage now that they got what they wanted.  Or not, given that Obama is becoming Dubya 2.0 on so many security issues.  Shame, that.    
Muwahahahahahahaha.

102

100

From the article:

Joe Biden reveals the bunker-like room is at the Naval Observatory in Washington, where Cheney lived for eight years and which is now home to Biden. The veep related the story to his head-table dinner mates when he filled in for President Obama at the Gridiron Club earlier this year. He said the young naval officer giving him a tour of the residence showed him the hideaway, which is behind a massive steel door secured by an elaborate lock with a narrow connecting hallway lined with shelves filled with communications equipment. The officer explained that when Cheney was in lock down, this was where his most trusted aides were stationed, an image that Biden conveyed in a way that suggested we shouldn�t be surprised that the policies that emerged were off the wall.

103

"I, twice a Bush voter, look forward to the GOP exlploding. "

Don't you mean "imploding" as "exploding" implies rapid expansion?

Normally, I would say that there is a time for everything, but the position of the party that is not the GOP is to turn our nation into a social democracy which limits the time for anything else.  If these programs that they want are implemented, there is little chance of turning back.

Yeah, on some issues, the GOPs position is frustrating, but on the whole, I prefer them.  Rational people think of tradeoffs.

104 Smart Play for Huntsman? [ace] Every governor running for President gets dogged with the "no foreign policy experience" thing. Not so anymore for Huntsman.

He had already been Ambassador to Singapore.

I think this was a bad move. Unless he's switching parties.

105 here's hoping the RINO stays in China forever..... or Utah.  there's no place for his kind on the Republican ticket, that's for sure.

106 I wonder if China trusts the GOP more than the Democrats.

107

I was hoping to get through the weekend without being digusted with this Admin. (not including the Notre Dame thing).  Silly me.

108 Thank you Stace.  Was just curious as friends said they got three and a new one today from Plouffe.

109 O/T:   Fascinating discussion going on at Dealbreaker, someone is defending  Bawney Frank and blaming everything on Phil Gramm.  Wonder if it is Bawney himself.  Worth a quick peek.  http://tinyurl.com/qwkv8j

110 "107

I was hoping to get through the weekend without being digusted with this Admin. (not including the Notre Dame thing).  Silly me.

Posted by: momma at May 16, 2009 02:30 PM (penCf)"

Just read a post on someone's blog and the person was totally convinced that Our Lady of Guadalupe, the Blessed Mother will "take care of the Notre Dame debacle".  

111 "105 here's hoping the RINO stays in China forever..... or Utah.  there's no place for his kind on the Republican ticket, that's for sure.

Posted by: redc1c4 at May 16, 2009 02:30 PM (sT30R)"

I don't know the politics of this stuff as well as you guys, but heck, since the pres is probably reading and posting here, maybe make him a nice list so he knows who he should be considering in the ffuture.

112 Tin-foil hat on.

Bambi is grooming Huntsman to replace Biden.  He'll be his veep candidate in 2012.  Then he'll have teh ultimate bi-partisan cred.

Tin-foil hat off.

113 112 rockhead,

Nope! odumbass won't last that long, he'll be impeached in 2010.

114 test

115 Most Americans now pro-life:

www. gallup.com/poll/118399/ More-Americans-Pro-Life-Than-Pro-Choice-First-Time. aspx

(no spaces)

Yeah, abortion is tearing the GOP apart, right RINOs?  There's a difference between what rinos WISH were true vs what is actually true.  The GOP's base won't even show up to vote for them and you say it should become ever MORE "moderate"?  That's delusional.

116 @113 - I'm with you in spirit Grunt, but I shudder to thing what this country will have to go through for that to actually happen.  If it happens I'll send you a case of Valu-Rite for your bold prediction.

117 116 rockhead,

Deal, we'll have a meet-up and drink it together my friend. ;-)

118 thing think

119 @Scott

I totally agree bud---look at how much the country has moved away from the parties core social position---abortion.  Heck all those recent polls on whether somebody's pro-life or pro-choice totally confirm that view.

I agree more with Ace on this one as a smart move by Huntsman jr.  It's hard getting traction as a serious candidate as governor from a small deep red state out west.  Look at how the media tried to take down Palin immediately because she was relatively unknown.  Instead that guy gets his foreign policy credentials up, gets to work on policy and relations with teh other developing superpower in the world, can claim that he can reach out to both sides because he worked as ambassador under Obama, puts aside fears that he's some scary mormon and isn't in a position where his social policy views will be scrutinized.  Additionally with the state deficit crunches and falling approval numbers, he gets to leave what is probably an unpopular Governor job where he'll likely have to make large cuts.

By the way, I like Huntsman despite the description of him as McCain lite.  Every one of our candidates has an issue or two we disagree w/them on (Jindal - healthcare, Romney - a bevy of social issues, etc) and comparatively I don't see his ones as being that bad.  He's good on school choice, free trade, taxes, guns, abortion and isn't a nationalized healthcare guy.  The biggest criticisms are apparently that he's ok w/gay civil unions (not a big issue), that he's too much of an environmentalist (though you can bet both he and arnold are fairweather in that regard when they're running huge deficits and are pro-lower taxes), and that he's as squishy on Bush on immigration.  The last bit is the only part that really annoys me and even in that case I think there can be enough pushback that he has his hands tied like Bush.

120 If Huntsman were to switch parties, we'd have a Democrat that was far better than McCain, that's for sure.

I'd still probably, given the choice, prefer Huntsman over Palin and her populist demagoguery, but he's still far from what I'd call a "GOP frontrunner".  I'd probably take a pile of Sanford's toenail clippings over most of these so-called "frontrunners" like Palin, Huntsman, Huckabee, et al.

121 I like Palin, I don't know whom will pair off with her but she's the only one that is the cream that went to the top ( no sexual intent meant).

122 Yeah, I agree that Huntsman was nowhere close to a frontrunner for pres or even a top 5 candidate but he'd be fricking ben nelson plus if he ever became a dem (which i don't see).

123

124 Here's a preview and a full layout of the new Dem talking points on ObamaCare, as issued by a douche on Politico in response to my comments:

  : May. 16, 2009 - 1:32 PM EST  

this is a sad commentary on America - the President's campaign apparatus attacking anyone who dares dissent from the President's proclamations of truth - the "truth" here being that his YET TO BE FORMULATED health care plan is perfect and will solve everything.

 He's not attacking "anyone who dares dissent."  He's attacking the manner in which they are doing it.  Distortions of objective, independently-verifiable facts like 'government is going to take away your choice of treating physician' is not legitimate policy disagreement.  It's precisely that: a distortion.  No one is trying to take away your choice of physician.  Read the plan.  It's not even on the table.  It's perfectly fine to disagree with government subsidized healthcare, and even Obama's plan when the concrete details are finalized.  Just address the merits of the plan at that time.

  : May. 16, 2009 - 1:32 PM EST  

The only thing those CPR ads say is absolutely truthful - the Stimulus did have money to create a national health care board simliar to Britain's to set rationing policies. Deal with it, its the truth.

 That's not the truth.  That's a distortion.  The stimulus did not have money to create a national health care board "similar to Britain's."  Show me where it says that.  It doesn't exist.  The stimulus bill allocates money to study the efficacy of healthcare.  Now, that may lead to a national health care board "similar to Britain's" but there's nothing in the stimulus bill right now, or even on the table for the upcoming healthcare plan, that's anything close to what Britain is doing.  It depends on how you define "similar."  If by "similar" you mean that a health care board is being set up to study the efficacy of healthcare just as Britain's board determines which healthcare procedures to authorize for the national healthcare system, then my car is similar to a horse-drawn carriage because it is a mode of transportation.  But you can't just equate the two on equal footing.

   : May. 16, 2009 - 1:32 PM EST  

rabid lefties

Um, hate to break it to you, but this is the year 2009.  The boogeyman hippie with a one-inch beard and a bandana ceased being a mainstream actor in the mid-1970s.  Code Pink is a fringe group.  There are no "rabid lefties" as a mainstream political force in the Democratic Party.  Large segments of your own countrymen disagree with you and you castigate them as a group as "rabid lefties"?  There's a reason I left the Republican party and that reason is people like YOU.

   : May. 16, 2009 - 1:32 PM EST  

Dems are just paying each other off

 That's all they're doing?  Really?  "Just"?  Sure some groups are capitalizing on the need for healthcare reform, but there isn't any evidence of 1) their intent to simply enrich themselves; and 2) that the only thing they're doing is paying each other off.

See, there's something called credibility.  The real reason people don't listen to conservatives anymore is that you lack credibility.  In a courtroom, juries determine a witnesses' veracity based upon 1) the propensity to exaggerate; 2) whether the person makes statements of opinion as if they were fact; 3) whether the person's statements on one subject square with the statements on another.  When you say that anyone who dares dissent is instantly bashed down, that the Dems are trying to hide the truth, that the CPR is telling the truth when it's a matter of viewpoint and your definition of key terms like "similar," that there are "rabid lefties" out there about to take away your freedom of information, and that Dems are just paying each other off, you begin to blatantly fail 1 and 2 above.  When you never had the same level of scrutiny for actions that the Bush administration took in getting us into the Iraq War or with regard to the reasons the banking system failed last fall, you start to fail number 3.

The American public is one big jury assessing the credibility of conservatives' claims, and your claims fail time after time.  Dems do it too.  But it's a matter of degrees and subtleties, and people just don't share the same view of reality that conservatives assert (time after time) is the only way to look at things.

125 As a Utahn, here's one opinion from a strong but not rabid conservative:

Huntsman is well, well left of Romney and not in a good way. On abortion, Hunstman is pro-life.

Other than that, I had a hard time distinguishing between Huntsman and democrats.

Huntsman is no businessman just because Daddy built a successful chemical conglomerate, so let's not hear anyone tout his business credentials. He's a silver spoon without street credibility.

Hunstman backed McCain early and often. Enough said? No, not yet.

A Huntsman candidacy is just the sort of conservative light positioning that has wounded the Republican party so deeply.

The winning message is so simple yet so confoundingly difficult for candidates to grasp: less taxes, less government, less chicken shit regulation of every nit-picking aspect of our lives and business activities, keep us safe from the bad guys, incentivize and reward (yes, redundantly) entrepreneuership and self-reliance.

Is that too much to ask from a candidate?

Do not get hot and bothered about the Huntsman appointment. If Huntsman were solidly Republican, do you really think Obysmal would have appointed him ambassador to China?

126

Ambassadors do not carry out diplomacy.  All high ranking accords are carried out between politicians in their respective capitols and have done so since the advent of instant communications.  Huntsman gains no stature as an ambassador, will have little leeway, and will not shape policy.

 

At best he will have access to Obama though this is doubtful with Hillary sure to insure she serves as the focal point in any meaningful negiotiations.

 

As a moderating force in the GOP, while Huntsman has my respect, he is plain wrong in the same way that I respect Romney but he is too much in the Bush mold.

As for scoring points, remember Clinton's Secretary of Defense or Bush Sec. of Transportation?  See what I mean, both were members of the opposite party who were non entities that acted as prostitutes and were quickly forgotten and consigned to the dust heap of history.

 

 

 

127 Do not get hot and bothered about the Huntsman appointment. If Huntsman were solidly Republican, do you really think Obysmal would have appointed him ambassador to China?
Posted by: Dane Skold at May 16, 2009 03:20 PM (JPKWk)

I'm not upset about him leaving the party, which is what he's doing by signing up to the Good Ship Destroy America, but I am absolutely furious that the GOP leadership and "insiders" backed this guy for governor and floated him as a potential rising star for the party (over Governor Palin) when the guy clearly had no commitment to the cause or the Party.

It's like the asshole Republican Senatorial Committee backing the squishiest and/or most "insider" old hack candidate instead of grooming and supporting the next generation folks who excite the base.

128 I would say team up Rick Perry with Palin, but we need him to become the President of Texas, "It's a whole other Country" really has meaning here in the Texas pasture! ;-)

129 Huntsman is no businessman just because Daddy built a successful chemical conglomerate, so let's not hear anyone tout his business credentials. He's a silver spoon without street credibility.

Poking through old news accounts, I see that Huntsman Corporation has done a lot of business in Singapore since the time Gov. Huntsman .

So I guess daddy's company has big plans for China.

130 That should read:

Poking through old news accounts, I see that Huntsman Corporation has done a lot of business in Singapore since the time Gov. Huntsman LEFT HIS AMBASSADORSHIP POST THERE.

So I guess daddy's company has big plans for China.

131 What kind of poof thinks a site that single-handedly props up Val-u-Rite's sales, posts beefcake on a regular basis, and supports language worse than any sailor is anywhere near a home of social conservatives?

Hello? We need a better batch of trolls.

132 Ace are we on a better server now? Everything seems to be working like a laser now.

133 Re: No 123:  that went well.
Scott:  #30  Remember, if it talks like a duck ...
You are absolutely wrong about the GOP being almost dead. Actually, it's not writhing in the throes of death, just suffering from Rino flu.  Some voters are switching to libertarian beacause of Big Gubmint & Big spending, not social issues. The reasons we lost the last two elections were out of control spending and the liberal media. Am loathe (choking sound) to accuse O'Pology of being dishonest, but ACORN & a lot of foreign money helped him as well. Remember, 58 million voted against him. And consider this:  even in the Socialist Republic of Cauliforneeya voters chose traditional marriage.  Gay marriage is being approved by legislators and judges - not We the People.
We owe the One & his teleprompter a thank you  for outing another liberal in disquise.  Moving center is a mistake & any Republican who gets accolades from a lefty should automatically be suspect!

134 Picking Huntsman just gives the bike rider and his wife Perez something else to bitch about, but he soooo loves odumbass, wipe your mouth off charlie perez is watching you.

135 On topic, to re-iterate some previous commenters, I hadn;'t heard of this guy until this thread.  I'm not sure who is anointing him GOP front runner, but it sounds like BS.  Also, let's assume this guy gets the nod in 2012.  Do you think he's going to be touted as a moderate republican?  No, he's going to be one of them there freaky mormons doing lord knows what out there in the Utah desert, and that would just be the start of it.  Remember how the media went after their "favorite Republican" McCain once he secured the nomination? 

136
Ok, apparently this mutt Huntsman was the national co-chair for McCain, so maybe this is the payoff for tanking the election?  It sounds slimy enough of a quid pro quo for the democrat party.  This guy insists the campaign play nice, don't talk about pesky topics like citizenship, church affiliation, or experience and he gets a plum Ambassodorship with our largest trading partner.  Sounds about right.

137 Sea Urchin,

I'm an example of somebody who dropped from the roster of Republicans. I did it during the amnesty discussion in between writing letters and making phone calls to every politician in every state or district where I had ever lived. I'm all for legal immigration, of course, but think breaking laws ought not be rewarded.

But I'm conservative on just about every issue and gladly call myself conservative to piss off my liberal friends. The only time I'm not conservative is around my colleagues. Politics and the office shouldn't mix -- but even that is a conservative position.

My list of concerns starts with spending and economic regulation. Without the financial wherewithal to choose your own ends, the rest mean fuck-all. After that stay the hell out of my life and I'll gladly stay the hell out of yours. I'm against abortion but make some exceptions with which I'm comfortable and don't give a shit if you share the same views.

Roughly, I suppose, I like this website because I get the same vibe from Ace and most of the moron nation.

And now that I've written the troll primer, I hope we get an upgrade from Axelrod's minions.

138 89 What's up with the people above who supposedly profess individual liberty going off on some anti-christan screed?  I'm an agnostic, myself, but I don't see some christian theocracy taking over the country.    It's class.  They like to think that they are fighting the vicious moral scolds of the stuffy Republican party.  It's not because of anything that Palin believes, she's just the "wrong people".  Half of Obama voters think that they are superior to the low-class Bible types and the other half think that they want to be serfs to those who are superior to the low-class Bible types.  They feel superior by proxy.   You know, the humanities and social sciences are obsessed with race, class and gender and het I don't think there will be many academic papers out chronicling the horrific treatment of Palin and attributing it to sexism or classism.   But this hatred of socons is really a red herring.  Very few of the socially liberal Republicans are fiscally conservative anyway.  As sears poncho pointed out, try being fiscally conservative and socially liberal by refusing to pay for all of the social liberalism.   No, except for a few libertarians who are intelligent and intellectually honest, social liberalism comes with a pricetag.   We can talk about gay marriage, but ultimately, it's nothing more than denying a marriage license to couples of the same sex.  No significant political movment is denying the ability to have sex, live together, have a ceremony or even call yourselves "husband" and "husband" or whatever you like.  It's totally unobtrusive.   There are two religious movements that truly seek to run our lives.  The first is Islam.  It is amazing that these principled atheists can get their ire up for a completely inoffensive religion, but not for one who literally wants to enslave them.  I suspect more biogtry than principle there.    The second is liberalism.  From smoking to lightbulbs to every aspect of your life, it isn't the social conservative who is seeking to control you.  The true-believing liberas are far more evangelical and dogmatic in their beliefs than any Christian movement in the US.  They are truly the busybodies and moral scolds.   Liberalism is morely a replacement for religion and it isn't a very tolerant one.  Like the shallowest of religious adherents, they want their faith to answer all of life's questions.  Enhanced interrogation?  There's no hard moral choice there.  Waterboarding is wrong, no matter what.  And it's illegal becasue some judge somwewhere will declare it to be illegal, so the moral choice is really taken from our hands.   Legalism, by the way, is one of the tenants of the liberal religion.  All bad things are illegal.  This explains why they simply cannot get their heads around the fact that just because something is a bad idea, it doesn't necessarily mean it's unconstitutional.

139

This is a farce.

Nationally, Huntsman has sub-zero name recognition.

He might have been somebody if he gave a rousing key note speaker's address at the 2008 GOP convention. But he didn't. He never could/would have been a contender in 2012.

This is nothing more than Soviet era disinformation being spread by a party that is terrified by the thought of a resurgence of Reagan conservatism.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

muffy:

I sent the folks at dealbreaker a bunch of stuff to mull over.

140

Bloody paragraphs.

89 What's up with the people above who supposedly profess individual liberty going off on some anti-christan screed? I'm an agnostic, myself, but I don't see some christian theocracy taking over the country.

It's class. They like to think that they are fighting the vicious moral scolds of the stuffy Republican party. It's not because of anything that Palin believes, she's just the "wrong people". Half of Obama voters think that they are superior to the low-class Bible types and the other half think that they want to be serfs to those who are superior to the low-class Bible types. They feel superior by proxy.



You know, the humanities and social sciences are obsessed with race, class and gender and het I don't think there will be many academic papers out chronicling the horrific treatment of Palin and attributing it to sexism or classism.

But this hatred of socons is really a red herring. Very few of the socially liberal Republicans are fiscally conservative anyway. As sears poncho pointed out, try being fiscally conservative and socially liberal by refusing to pay for all of the social liberalism. No, except for a few libertarians who are intelligent and intellectually honest, social liberalism comes with a pricetag.

We can talk about gay marriage, but ultimately, it's nothing more than denying a marriage license to couples of the same sex. No significant political movment is denying the ability to have sex, live together, have a ceremony or even call yourselves "husband" and "husband" or whatever you like. It's totally unobtrusive.

There are two religious movements that truly seek to run our lives. The first is Islam. It is amazing that these principled atheists can get their ire up for a completely inoffensive religion, but not for one who literally wants to enslave them. I suspect more biogtry than principle there.

The second is liberalism. From smoking to lightbulbs to every aspect of your life, it isn't the social conservative who is seeking to control you. The true-believing liberas are far more evangelical and dogmatic in their beliefs than any Christian movement in the US. They are truly the busybodies and moral scolds.

Liberalism is morely a replacement for religion and it isn't a very tolerant one. Like the shallowest of religious adherents, they want their faith to answer all of life's questions. Enhanced interrogation? There's no hard moral choice there. Waterboarding is wrong, no matter what. And it's illegal becasue some judge somwewhere will declare it to be illegal, so the moral choice is really taken from our hands.

Legalism, by the way, is one of the tenants of the liberal religion. All bad things are illegal. This explains why they simply cannot get their heads around the fact that just because something is a bad idea, it doesn't necessarily mean it's unconstitutional.

141 Hey, Scott,

As one of those younger voters, I can tell you that you're fuck dead wrong.

142

This is all about Obama's re-election. They're postioning Huntsman to be the guy who loses to Obama in 2012. A moderate who likes Obama so much that he insists on running a "respectful" campaign. Obama vs. McCain, Part II.

 

 

143 49 The funny thing about retards like Scott is that BO is taking a Soc-con stand on gay marriage.

The Trolls have re-appeared. Here is their tribute

Brad! Janet! Rocky! DR SCOTT

144 I know it's a dream but why do such a small percentage of America vote, are the rest just don't give damn and never vote, these are the folks the conservatives need to go after, millions can be mined forget the hispanics there really are real Americans that don't vote and their sons and daughters are in Iraq and Afghanistan, Palin IMO can reach them.

145

I have to agree with Ace: this is a win for Huntsman. 

Plus, he can quit in protest if Obama really goes nuts, the way whats-his-name did at Commerce.

146

just woke up, have not read the entire thread yet, looks like the trolls are back though, sweet. welcome back.

147 Right on, AmishDude. Thanks.

148 Hello? We need a better batch of trolls.

Now, now, we have to take our trolls where we can get them in this economy. They were a little shy about the Pelosi threads, and dipped their toe into the Huntsman thread. They want to try their hands at playing "concerned Republicans"

Here's a welcome gift to our new trolls, the AoSHQ Shine Box

We tell them to go home and get their fuckin' shine box, but don't provide one. That's not showing we care about the less fortunate, is it

149 Thanks.  Sorry for the typos.  My computer is creeping along for some reason.

150 bear you da MAN! hahaha

151 no great loss on huntsman going over to the bad guys. i agree with pgis, no one else considered this guy a real contender for the rep. nomination for pres. he has as much chance as a black commie married to a sasquatsch has of getting the democratic nomination, oh wait.....

152 You get bear, you can walk point for me anytime. ;-)

153

You had me at pigfucks.

 

154 You get bear = You get it bear, groan

155 maybe huntsman can convert all the chinese to mormonism, big win for donnie and marie osmond and ivory soap and wholesomeness and shit like that.

156 Did someone call for a Troll?

Our most hideous model, coming right up:

http://tinyurl.com/bt88nt

157 ...and as an antidote to the Troll photo, here is something to get any red blooded American male's heart thumping:

http://www.theodoresworld.net/pics/1207/perino.jpg

I swear, Dana Perino is some kind of angel...

158 152 You get bear, you can walk point for me anytime. ;-)
Posted by: 'Nam Grunt at May 16, 2009 04:45 PM

Who me? I'm just an Errand Boy

159 I swear, Dana Perino is some kind of angel.

We could run a campaign with Sarah, Jeri, Dana, Elisabeth, Megyn Kelly and Carrie

The young bohemian boys would be too busy wacking off to protest or vote, and we'd draw in the secret republican lesbians

160

Everything seems to be working like a laser now.
Shh, 'Nam Grunt. Joe Biden isn't supposed to know about the freakin' sharks with freakin' lasers attached to their heads or he'd blow it at a press club dinner.

161 #160 - Andy, you have the threadwinner. You also owe me one beverage and one screenwipe

162

Do you have a PayPal account, kbdabear? I'll send you US$5 8^)

163 What happened to our trolls? The old ones were harder working and very persistent.

Axelrod is coddling these kiddies. Come on Dave, some Rahm Emmanuel old school tough love is needed. You can't use Oprah self-esteem classes, they need some good old Sgt Hartman jawbonin'

164 162

Do you have a PayPal account, kbdabear? I'll send you US$5 8^)

Donate it in my name to the AoSHQ Tip Jar.  I'd just blow it all on booze, cigarettes, and porn

165 While certain aspects of social conservatism are admirable, in practice, it is not much different than social progressivism. Individual liberties and freedoms are thrown out the window by intellectual and emotional tyrants in both cases.

When an idealogue uses other people's money and government coercion in order to impose more laws and restrictions on the freedoms of people who disagree with that idealogue? Well...let's just say that the outcome is always political and social tyranny.

Watching the Republicans self-destruct was interesting. The Democrats were supposed to implode first, and afterwards, the Republicans. In many ways, the present situation is better than what we had in mind. This way, only people who are completely irrational can hope to miss any of the social and political implications of continuing on their present course.

166

"Do you ever feel like 52% of America is living in a different reality than we are? "

Not 52% of America, just 52% of Americans who bothered to vote this time around.  Don't forget all of the people who never vote anyway, and the Conservatives that sat this one out because they hated McCain and/or Bush.

How's that workin' out for y'all?

The good news is that those folks will be coming out in droves once Obummer takes every single nickle they have in their pockets.  He'll take their pockets, too.

167

I'd just blow it all on booze, cigarettes, and porn
Uh. So would Ace.

168 I'd just blow it all on booze, cigarettes, and porn
Uh. So would Ace.

He calls that "entertaining prospective advertisers"

169

personally i'm a hedonistic non believer and i am pretty "tolerant" on social issues, though i do oppose abortion, it's just wtong. having said this, i agree with most soc cons on issues like defense and foreign policy and fiscal restraint. if they can tolerate me, i can tolerate them. they can go to their church pic-nics and i'll go to my opium den of depravity.

170

Okay, done, kbdabear. Although Ace's Paypal feature doesn't allow for a private message or adding anything to the address line, so I guess Ace will have to read his own blog to discover that the $5 is "from you" and not me. (And that means that it's probably going to remain our little secret.)

171

We could run a campaign with Sarah, Jeri, Dana, Elisabeth, Megyn Kelly and Carrie

In spite of the administration's attempt to choose their opponent for 2012 (and that's exactly what's going on here w/ Huntsman) the GOP ticket will be Palin/Thompson.

So aside from Megyn's need to maintain journalistic neutrality, we're going to get pretty much what you described here. With a little Gretchen Wilson added for good measure.  

God Bless America!

 

172

Jim Treacher hits comedic pay dirt with the alternate-universe, self-deprecating speech Obama gave.

173 Scott:

Here's the problem: ANYONE who is socially moderate is a COMPLETE FISCAL WHORE -- (I'm looking at you, Arlen Specter.) Show me one, just ONE "socially moderate" GOPer who doesn't spend like Paris Hilton with daddy's credit card. You can't.

I'm pro-life, but I would vote for a fiscal conservative who wasn't a pro-lifer -- if I could find such a mythical beast. Like skittle-shitting unicorns and manbearpigs, many people say they exist, but I have yet to see them. Other than Huckabee, I don't know a social conservative who isn't a fiscal tightwad. Anyone who has the cajones to stand up to the cultural jihad against social cons can lose a ball and a half and still hold down spending. I actually use pro-life at lower electoral level as shorthand for being a fiscal con as well, and I have yet to be wrong.

174 "142

This is all about Obama's re-election. They're postioning Huntsman to be the guy who loses to Obama in 2012. A moderate who likes Obama so much that he insists on running a "respectful" campaign. Obama vs. McCain, Part II.

 

 

Posted by: Mr. Wednesday Night at May 16, 2009 04:28 PM (7dXKM)"

I never understand why the republicans allow the dems and the libs and the press to pick their presidential candidates.  It is like when you know your fat friend is picking the wrong dress you tell her how great the bad one looks and she buys the other one.

175

It looks like the trolls have all left the building, but in case Scott sneaks back in to see what everyone's been saying about him...

Social conservatism is really a red herring as far as national elections are concerned. McCain lost the election because of his grandstanding vote for the original bailout package, not because anyone cared about putting Sarah Palin "one heartbeat away from the presidency".

That, plus the fact that McCain comes across like an annoying old douchebag on television.

And, enough dumbass white people liked the idea of voting for a black man because it made them feel enlightened and sophisticated.

Subtract out those three factors and tell me it wouldn't have flipped the national vote by 7%.

Speaking on behalf of the so-called "Christian Right", however, we don't want a Mormon president. Sorry if that makes us appear parochial and bigoted, but there's a very, very solid basis for this view within orthodox theology. Those of you who are either, atheist, agnostic, or United Methodist probably couldn't care less, and I completely understand that. But, I won't vote for a Mormon on strictly theological grounds, and I represent a fair percentage of  the Republican base.

Romney was in almost every other respect a better candidate than McCain, but his religion was a dealbreaker.

Huntsman is no Romney, I think.

176 Woo hoo   Go Rachel Go Rachel....woo hoo....the filly won the Preakness!!!!!

177 It looked like "Mine that Bird" was limping.

178 i would not vote for a mormon either or a wiccan or a scientologist, i would not trust the judgement of anyone who held such goofy spiritual views.

179 She ran like Ruffian!!!!!!

180 "Mine That Bird" is a great horse too, but still don't understand why they didn't run Rachel Alexandra in the derby.  Does show though, that the jockey does matter.  Had Calvin been on "Mine That Bird" like he was at the Derby, maybe "Mine" would have won, we'll never know since he chose to ride "Rachel Alexandra"

181

Joan-

True enough. Some people would say the same thing about Southern Baptists, in which case we never would have had Jimmy Carter...

So, maybe they have a point.

On the other hand, a pair of special undershorts that protect your loins against demonic assault would certainly be a nice fashion accessory for the President of the United States. Bill Clinton could have used a pair, anyway.

182 175 It looks like the trolls have all left the building, but in case Scott sneaks back in to see what everyone's been saying about him..

My fault! That Rocky Horror link probably got him all distracted from his job. A 34 year old movie with transvestites gets them off message. They're probably staging a gay wedding and throwing rice as we speak

I'm telling you as a concerned friend here Mr Axelrod. You're letting discipline slip with your new trolls. You might want to cut back the free juice boxes as a warning.

183 that's funny tom. my parents are southern baptists, both intelligent well educated people, but i can't go along with a strict literal interpretation of the bible . a fundamentalist view like that pervades all of your thought and it's counter to reason, logic and science.

184

kbdabear-

Hey, looking at Tim Curry in women's panties and a garter belt gets me "off message" too.

Here's a social etiquette question that just occurred to me -

At a gay wedding, is it appropriate to throw rice balls?

185 anti-demonic drawers are so sexy on a guy though just saying.

186

Here's a social etiquette question that just occurred to me -

At a gay wedding, is it appropriate to throw rice balls?

Posted by: Old Tom at May 16, 2009 05:39 PM

One thing I've always wondered. We throw rice at weddings here. Do they throw hot dogs at Japanese weddings?

187 I get the awful feeling these politicians who call themselves republicans are just actors in a cynical play.

188

joan-

Actually, I'm one of the very few non-mormon men to ever have actually seen a pair of temple underwear being worn, and there was nothing sexy about them.

It's a long story.

189

187 I get the awful feeling these politicians who call themselves republicans are just actors in a cynical play.

 

sadly, i think most politicians from both parties are mostly cynical opportunists with few strong convictions.

190
183: Joan

God; I get. Spiritual; I get. Religion; not so much.

191 183 that's funny tom. my parents are southern baptists, both intelligent well educated people, but i can't go along with a strict literal interpretation of the bible

My priest said to me, "the earth was darkness and raging oceans, and God said 'Let there be light'" and then he says "That's ridiculous on its face. Without light there would be no raging oceans, the earth would be a ball of ice."

The Bible is a societal guidebook, not a scientific or even historical textbook

192 "If you don't like what I say, fine. But I am sick to fucking death of idiots like you telling me that I am a Democrat, or clueless, or out of touch, or whatever."

And yet, I just saw a debate on Fox between a Republican strategist and a Democratic strategist-lo and behold, your little "get hip to the facts" screed was just about note for note what the democratic strategist was advocating the GOP should do.

Eeeery similarity.

Why do you suppose that is?

So please- if you're sick to fucking death, don't let me stop you.

193

joan-

Actually, I'm one of the very few non-mormon men to ever have actually seen a pair of temple underwear being worn, and there was nothing sexy about them.

It's a long story.

 

well i was being facetious, i'm sure they aren't which was part of my lame attempt of humor.

194

sadly, i think most politicians from both parties are mostly cynical opportunists with few strong convictions.

I have very strong convictions on what's right for Arlen Specter

195
One thing I've noticed. Very few people pray when a plane is taking off. Everyone is praying if it's in a crash dive.

196

The Bible is a societal guidebook, not a scientific or even historical textbook

 

yeh exactly, it's a great source of wisdom no doubt , but i don't take it literally word for word, some christians do though.

197 The young bohemian boys would be too busy wacking off to protest or vote, and we'd draw in the secret republican lesbians

Do we have any secret republican lesbians here?

198 if we told ya it wouldn't be a secret would it ? if i told ya i'd have to kill you.

199

"That's ridiculous on its face. Without light there would be no raging oceans, the earth would be a ball of ice."

Well, that relies on several assumptions, the first one being that there could be no heat source at creation other than that which exists today. The Apostle John taught that "God is Light" ... I'm not sure what that means, but I don't think it would be a cold light. There'd be warmth there, metaphysically and maybe in other ways.

Your priest's observation is not really as reasoned, logical, or scientific as it appears on its face; it just extends logically from his presupposition that the Creation/Genesis account is not true.

Which is fine with me; I'm not here to convert anyone.

200

183: Joan

God; I get. Spiritual; I get. Religion; not so much.

 

ditto.

201
He came and shook my hand one day
On my front step, in shirt and tie
He promised that he understood
And swore to represent the good

Then once the votes were in and won
And to the nations seat of power
The man who stood at my front door
Was not to be seen anymore

202 198 if we told ya it wouldn't be a secret would it ? if i told ya i'd have to kill you.

I'll have to ask Mary Cheney or Tammy Bruce.

Tammy said she left the Dems when NOW refused to take sides in the OJ trial. She's said also that lefty feminists tended to have poor hygiene habits and she likes her girlfriends to be clean and well dressed. There must be lots of secret republican lesbians she knows of. She lives over on the west side of LA, where coming out of the closet means admitting you voted Republican.

203 Hey, hoan, whaddup?

204 What, we got some trolls!?  Why didn't nobody tell me nuthin'?

205

kbdabear-

There's no need for republican lesbians to be "secret". We may be conservative, but we're still GUYS.

Guys basically have two views on lesbianism: if they're not hot, we don't care one way or the other. If they are hot, we'll buy their DVDs.

206 i'm not lesbian, but if i were in actuality i don't think i would be afraid to openly admit that. i don't think there is much social stigma to it anymore. i certainly don't care if someone's gay. i don't judge people on that basis.

207

Your priest's observation is not really as reasoned, logical, or scientific as it appears on its face; it just extends logically from his presupposition that the Creation/Genesis account is not true.

Which is fine with me; I'm not here to convert anyone.

Hey, for fun why don't you go over to Cahrsel Jhonsno's site and post that. We'll start a pool here for how long it takes for you to get banned. The winner will get what free booze, cigarettes and porn we bought with the pooled cash.

If you've already been banned from Little Groveling Felchers, please disregard

208 yo brew howz chewz ?

209

Message for da' trolls, hammering away like they're freakin' Tommy Noble:

http://tinyurl.com/df23du

 

210 OT, but Iman is my heroine!

http://tinyurl.com/q2lsvs

211

Cahrsel Jhonsno's

Who is that, exactly?

I won't do it unless you cut me in on the porn. I don't drink or smoke, but hey, nobody's perfect...

 

212 I'm fine, hon.  You still missin' me?

213 There's no need for republican lesbians to be "secret". We may be conservative, but we're still GUYS.

Ironically it's not the Republicans they have to hide their lesbianism from, it's their Republicanism they have to hide from the gay rights crowd.

214 yeh i do miss u, i'm bored and lonely i need some attention.

215

BTW - as a conservative Republican I'm 100% in favor of gay marriage.

One reason: "Gay Divorce Court".

I'd watch that on pay-per-view.

216

Cahrsel Jhonsno's

Who is that, exactly?

It's an anagram of someone who behaves if you believe in creationism the same way that Linda Blair did when the priest threw Holy Water on her. I know he and his flying monkeys like to google his name, I figure I'll make them work for it

217

Got it.

Another so-called liberal who's absolutely intolerant of any views other than his own?

Isn't that actually the opposite thing of "liberal"?

218 creationism is such a non issue with me. i think you can believe in creationism and still believe in darwinism really. maybe not if you have a literal interpretation of the bible .

219 If see Obama and a Republican who's Mormon in Nov. 2012 and you won't vote for the Republican because he's a Mormon, you aren't any different than the die hard libertarians complaining they'll bail if social conservatives don't shut up and know their place.  You'll also get the same result.

220

219 If see Obama and a Republican who's Mormon in Nov. 2012 and you won't vote for the Republican because he's a Mormon, you aren't any different than the die hard libertarians complaining they'll bail if social conservatives don't shut up and know their place.  You'll also get the same result.

 

if someone grows up in a mormon household and still goes to that church i can't fault them for that. you can't  decide what kind of family you were born into. you can go to a church for many different reasons and still not necessarily believe in every tenet of that religion. there are qualities i like about romney. i would be open to voting for him, but i would need to know more about his actual religious views.

221

I really don't want to get off on a creationist rant here, but I would like to suggest the following meditation:

Go back in your mind to the "big bang" or whatever else you conceptualize as the "beginning". Now go back one step further. Really, you can't.

What I mean by that is, science stops with a lump of crap floating in space. That's not the beginning of anything, actually. Where did the lump of crap come from?

Science can't explain matter from non-matter, or something from nothing.

In the end, there's only faith. You choose to believe in the Cosmic Rock, or you choose to believe in energy plus will. Neither one is scientific.

Most of us prefer the Cosmic Rock not because it's more logical or rational than a belief in God, but simply because we know we'll never be called to answer to it.

222

I really don't want to get off on a creationist rant here, but I would like to suggest the following meditation:

Go back in your mind to the "big bang" or whatever else you conceptualize as the "beginning". Now go back one step further. Really, you can't.

What I mean by that is, science stops with a lump of crap floating in space. That's not the beginning of anything, actually. Where did the lump of crap come from?

Science can't explain matter from non-matter, or something from nothing.

In the end, there's only faith. You choose to believe in the Cosmic Rock, or you choose to believe in energy plus will. Neither one is scientific.

Most of us prefer the Cosmic Rock not because it's more logical or rational than a belief in God, but simply because we know we'll never be called to answer to it.

 

i'm too much of a moron to fathom that stuff or even try.

223 219 If see Obama and a Republican who's Mormon in Nov. 2012 and you won't vote for the Republican because he's a Mormon, you aren't any different than the die hard libertarians complaining they'll bail if social conservatives don't shut up and know their place.  You'll also get the same result.

I'm a Baby Boomer so I remember this argument during the Carter years. Republican power brokers and insiders were trying to hold back Reagan because they felt that someone so "extreme" would be unelectable. They wanted another moderate because, you know, "times have changed" and "the country has moved to the left"

The country was going down so fast in 1980 that liberal and libertine Republicans got behind RR, along with socially conservative "Reagan Democrats"

The media dumped Carter when Ted Kennedy made his half assed run, they thought Americans were "centrists" who would overwhelmingly reject the "warmongering old actor with the Ozzie and Harriet values".  They were less than enthusiastic in returning to Carter once their dreams of seating the Last Prince of Camelot were gone

224

joan-

If I had been given a choice between Romney and Obama, I'd have voted for Romney. Where the anti-mormonism came into play was during the primaries.

225 yeh i suppose worst came to worse i would have voted for romney over obama, i think romney is smart enough to not actually believe in aspects of his own religion.

226

If I'd been given a choice between Obama and the Revealed Antichrist, I'd have gone with the Antichrist.

At least, he could go off the teleprompter without embarrassing himself.

227 I went for Rudy Giuliani.  He rescued NYC from becoming the next Detroit under the inept regime of Dinkins. He was strong on crime, fiscally conservative, and a hawk on national security. I felt that his social liberalism was more a personal matter with him, not dogma

His predecessor Ed Koch had an interesting motto:

"If you agree with me on 75 percent of what I say, you should vote for me. If you agree with me 100 percent, you should see a psychiatrist"

228

I have a better one for you:  What do you really know about "science"?

 

Think about global warming.  It's all about faith.  You either believe it because the high priests tell you it's true or you don't and are a heretic.  I don't know why one would believe it, given their record on global cooling or acid rain, but there you are.

 

Of course, I tell them that I believe in global warming and I'm all for it.

 

 

 

 

229 i think the revealed anti christ, cheney as most know him gets a bum rap.  someone that overtly evil you just have to love.

230 My second pick was the FRED.  I just felt that the guy had real balls and wouldn't go soft in a fight. I also loved any chance to fantasize about Jeri

231

227 I went for Rudy Giuliani.  He rescued NYC from becoming the next Detroit under the inept regime of Dinkins.

I think he's the only solib who is a disciplined fiscal con.  And maybe it's just the presidential campaign talking, but he also respects socons while disagreeing with them.

232 As a life-long conservative, i can attest that we have to be more relevant to capture the public which has been moving away from social conservative ideas.

Just take the fact most Americans are now pro-choice, for the first time in 30 years. It's a FACT (just please don't check it out - believe me cause i said so. Cause i'm a life-long conservative who can be trusted with facts).

233

kbd-

Yeah, I was actually for Giuliani in the early primaries; unfortunately, he ran a crap campaign. He is pretty liberal in his social views, but that seems to me a fair trade for some real fiscal conservatism.

I'm probably one of the most socially conservative people on this site in terms of my own lifestyle, but I don't expect my personal beliefs or standards to be enacted as legislation.

It's really OK with me if the rest of you go to hell when you die.

(well, I just said that last bit for a little shock humor. What I mean is, the cornerstone of real political conservatism is the concept of "limited size and scope of the Federal government". Among many other things, that means it isn't the government's business to legislate morality.)

234 i liked giuliani but can't spell his name so i had to vote for someone who's name i could spell. i don't think it really mattered this time who we nominated, we were screwed by bush's unpopularity and the timing of the financial meltdown so close to the election.

235

probably already been noted, but bottom line is it gives liberals a republican to share the blame for the billions (trillions?) that hussien is borrowing from china

236 It's really OK with me if the rest of you go to hell when you die.

You stole my Jesus Fish, didn't you!!

237

A President FRED would've been like a a President Cheney.

That's why AllahP and the rest of the squishes on the right torpedoed his campaign.

238

joan-

You are correct in that Obama was elected by a "perfect storm" scenario. He was, however, still beatable as late as the week following the Republican primary, then McCain pissed away his momentum by that dumbass grandstanding vote where he flew in to D.C. to campaign for the original, Republican-sponsored "bailout".

My wife is a very conservative "church lady" who is not particularly political but votes the conservative line. She was energized by Sarah Palin's nomination and was more excited than I've ever seen her during a political campaign. Then McCain pulled that and she basically turned the lights out.

The election was still McCain's to win until he did that one thing.

 

239 you may be right, we'll never know but i personally admire mccain and i voted for him. i'm tired of seeing him blamed and i think it's time to go onward.

240 You are correct in that Obama was elected by a "perfect storm" scenario. He was, however, still beatable as late as the week following the Republican primary

In the 2 weeks following Sarah's VP nomination and the Lehman Bros collapse, McCain was pulling ahead in the polls and was even closing in on the solid blue states. Obama was starting to look like he was going to do a 2007 Mets style choke and he was getting flustered.

There was some mighty unusual activity in all the markets with big block moves going on in the selling side in the week after 9/14. It looked suspiciously like a huge player like Soros was intentionally crashing the market as an "October Surprise"

241 Hey, hoan, I'm making my chili from scratch non-recipe.  Mmm.

242 If McCain had just bothered to defend Palin (and I mean seriously and aggresively, not just having Steve Schmidt  b***h about the NYT occasionally) he might have won, the market be damned.

If his campaign is going to sit around while the Dems feed stories to the press that she's an adulterer, then he has an adulterer as his running-mater.

If his campaign is going to sit around while the Dems feed stories to the press that she's an anti-Semite, then he has an anti-Semite as his running-mater.

Etc.

He lost this election the day he decided he wasn't going to hit back.

243 err, "running-mate"

244

David-

Stealing is a sin.

I have my own Jesus fish.

245

241 Hey, hoan, I'm making my chili from scratch non-recipe.  Mmm.

 

sweet i make my own enchilada sauces from scratch too. i cook with chile alot, love cumin too. not to be immodest but my chicken enchiladas are the bestest in the whole wide world.

246 Any chance McCain gets picked as Ambassador to Mexico?

He already works for that country anyway.

247 AD, I always thought that John McCain threw the election.  Always wondered why.  I remember the exact moment I knew he was done.  it was when he defended BO as a good man who will make a good prez.  That was like an endorsement.  Sometimes I think it was BO's charisma that won McCain over, other times I think they all had something on McCain and so he gladly stepped aside.  We'll probably never know.  Also thought his treatment of Sarah Palin was reprehensible.  She is an amazing woman, has many suorters, more than McCain himself, probably his male ego, the fact that his running mate was more popular than him and turned HIS election around, was something he couldn't bear and couldn't control.  It was easier to just let BO win.

248 you mccain haters can bite me.

249

Hunstman's a RINO, a dick, and an effeminate fop.

His billionaire dad, who bought Jr. all of his political positions with his campaign contributions, has given hundreds of thousands to the Democrats.

Huntsman did sign a bill for school choice, but when the teacher's union sponsored an initiative to kill it the silence from Huntsman was deafening.

Huntsman - who endorsed Johnny McCain clear back in 2006 - claimed that the GOP lost in '08 because they practiced the politics of hate - as exemplified by the guy he endorsed, I guess.

Huntsman is being touted as "brave" for supporting civil unions and opposing a state bill to help the feds enforce immigration law. But he didn't "come out" on civil unions until after his last re-election in November; and he actually SIGNED the enforcement bill PRIOR to his re-election then afterwards campaigned to have it delayed (i.e., killed).

Now it seems he isn't even brave in the marginal sense, as his civil unions move came after Obama's offer for the ambassadorship.

Huntsman didn't have a snowball's chance in hell for the presidency. If Americans won't elect a mostly self-made Mormon from Massachusetts like Mitt why the hell would they elect a noblesse oblige daddy's boy from Utah like Huntsman? Except for McCain's temper, Huntsman is an admixture of the least attractive qualities of Mitt and McCain. Perhaps he's their bastard stepson. Perhaps that's why he's so strongly for gay marriage (actually, Huntsman is Mitt's 3rd cousin once removed - they are both descended from famous Mormon Parley P Pratt).

It is Democrats who are touting Huntsman's chances, just like they touted McCain's chances. How'd that one work?

Huntsman'sreal  political career is basically over. His purpose now is either to brush up his cred so he can spend the rest of his life playing distinguished statesman, or else to use his ambassadorship to China to further his family's  business interests.

250

mccain choose palin as his running mate, and he did defend her as well. let's face it, i like palin but she blew it with the katy couric interview. she can't answer questions which require thought or that appears to be the case. as for his defense of obama, that was in response to some extremists who were expressing racist views and making the repubs look bad.

mccain is a true patriot and a gracious man. he has faith in america, he knows that we as a nation are great and will survive a douchebag like obama.

 

she can't effectively answer questions when she goes off script. at this point , she does not appear to have what it takes to be president. i wish that were not the case.

251 the fact that his running mate was more popular

Bingo.

That and his ego.  Think of it as "Cincinnati Kid" Syndrome, except instead of insisting a card game be played fairly, you're insisting on complimenting the other player while he's taking the deck, tossing it in the trashcan (mid-deal), pulling out a new one from his pocket in full view of everybody--all the while trash-talking your best friend's daughter.

I spent enough time defending him here myself and (I hate to say it) didn't cool down until saw how handled this.  I guess it's possible Palin withheld some information from him (daughter's pregnancy) and that pissed him off, but if he was going to let that, much less this other stuff, cost him the election, he deserved to lose.

Too bad Palin and the rest of us had to lose also.

252 and he did defend her as well. let's face it, i like palin but she blew it with the katy couric interview.

Sorry, Joan, but he didn't.  Yeah, Palin screwed up that interview (though with the amount they were cutting it, it's possible she wasn't that bad), but the second she was picked a massive internet smear campaign like nothing I've ever seen appeared and he spent most of the campaign pretending it didn't even exist.

The press was practically getting stuff from the Daily Kos and he just mostly let it go unchallenged.

253

palin was a gamble that almost worked, but she did not have what it takes. her speeches were great but she was demolished by the katy couric interview. i think they should have let her be interviewed by fox first before she was expsoed the the more liberal media. mistakes were made. what does palin say about mccain ? i have not heard her say anything negative about him.

254 Guys basically have two views on lesbianism: if they're not hot, we don't care one way or the other. If they are hot, we'll buy their DVDs.

The male ego posits a third option:  While bisexualism is undeniable, there is no such thing as a lesbian.  There's just a woman who hasn't had me.

255

Joan, that's because Palin has considerably more class than John McCain, who is a petty, mean-spirited old man. (And, unlike many here, I'm not a Palin fanboy, though I like her well enough.) I thank heavens every day that I didn't vote for McCain; he is a bad person, and heroism that ended before I was born isn't enough to make up for his arrogance, nastiness, and unmoored principles.

As for ambassador being a stepping stone to the presidency, I say "meh." Bill Richardson was an ambassador, plus a governor and former Cabinet secretary, and that didn't do him a lick of good in the Democratic primaries.

256

The male ego posits a third option:  While bisexualism is undeniable, there is no such thing as a lesbian.  There's just a woman who hasn't had me.

 

ok here's a guy with confidence or something.

257 The fact that this was merely about Palin was half the point.  A bad interview by his VP pick was all it took to screw up the election for him . . . really, that's it?

The fact the Dems were going on about her being an adulterer didn't factor into that?  The fact the Dems were going on about her being an anti-Semite didn't factor into that?  The fact the Dems were going on about her college education didn't factor into that? (meanwhile Obama's VP was almost kicked out of law school for plagiarism and went to an undergred that was no more prestigious than Palin's alma mater, but nobody in the McCain campaign thinks to, you know, bring this stuff up because they don't want to get their hands dirty--I mean, seriously, how much stuff did we have on Biden, his daughter, his family . . . and yet Palin was the issue?  The Dems tossed all this stuff about her being a backwoods, anti-Semetic, racist hick from a messed up family and they paid no price for it whatsoever.  None.  At all.  And yes the press was against him, but a big part of that was that McCain didn't hit back and we're not going to win an election until we have someone who does.)

258

i think mccain displays plenty of class, you just choose not to see it. he is a hero, it does not matter if he first displayed his heroism before you were born, he is and always will be a hero and that is what matters

we'll just have to agree to disagree on mccain, but from here on, mccain's  a non factor. we need to concentrate on the upcoming elections.

259

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of course Plouffe knew what was going down, thats why he came out with that statement about Huntsman being the one they fear. It was meant to make it look like the Republicans are losing not only irrelevant fossils like Specter but also promising up and comers like Huntsman. frankly I had never heard of Huntsman until that Plouffe comment.

260 i never heard of plouffe, sounds french or gay though, seems french and gay may be redundant though (nttiatwwt).

261 u mccain haters are dirty plouffers.

262 Speaking of gay, teen heartthrob David Axelrod called Miss California a dog:

feed://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/feeds/posts/default

So much liberal hate against Miss California, simply because she agreed with Barak Obama on the issue of gay "marraige"!

263 david axelrod's a dirty scandi plouffer.

264

Huntsman appointment gives the Null cover when Bejing quits buying the Obama debt -- the Null can blame it on the ambassador

 

265 we are so plouffed.

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"The gov of Utah speaks fluent Mandarin. He's a logical choice from a politcal point of view. Sorry if you don't like the choice, but he'll do fine.

1) You are aware there is many different Chinese dialects right?"

You are aware that the language of government in China are Mandarin, right?

That "Mandarin functions as the official spoken language of the People's Republic of China "

You want better that our ambassador speaks Cantonese, or one of its subdivisions such Hakka, Punti, or (best yet)  Tibetan, all unintelligible to Mandarin speakers?

Hey, Huntsman's a RINO, and Obambi may have smoked him out with this appointment, but his language qualifications are spot-on.

(says I, who used to be almost fluent in Japanese)

 

 

 

 

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Try looking up the election results wherever same-sex "marriage" came up for a popular vote.

_{McCain lost the election because of his grandstanding vote for the original bailout package, not because anyone cared about putting Sarah Palin "one heartbeat away from the presidency".}

I agree.

He should have opposed the bailout, which would have helped his credentials on being a maverick.

_{Waterboarding is wrong, no matter what.}

Does it constitue assault and battery?

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People were writing that sort of thing ninety-eight years ago.

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     He's probably willing to put Republicans wherever he expects problems.  Had Gregg taken Commerce he would have been the fall guy for economic problems.      

     Considering the amount of US debt China holds, and how aggressive they�ve been on the South China Sea, China is a potential major problem.  How convenient to have a Republican ambassador there.  Maybe I�m paranoid, but I think every Republican Obama appoints is a designated scapegoat.  If it all turns to crap we�ll probably hear something along the lines of, �I tried to be bi-partisan, but the Republicans keep screwing up my master plan.  It�s their fault nothing is working, but since I�m President, I�ll take the blame.�

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i don't disagree with you there, to say that the press has not been fair is a huge understatement. biden also got a total pass, he is and always has been a joke.

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You are aware that the language of government in China are Mandarin, right?

Huh, learned something new today! My Chinese history is a bit rusty =(

You want better that our ambassador speaks Cantonese, or one of its subdivisions such Hakka, Punti, or (best yet)  Tibetan, all unintelligible to Mandarin speakers?

I just thought it odd that folks were jumping up and down about Huntsman speaking Mandarin as a qualification, then why not make him SOS?

By that yardstick he is more qualified than Hillary.

Hey, Huntsman's a RINO, and Obambi may have smoked him out with this appointment, but his language qualifications are spot-on.

My opinion is if your willing to work with Obama then you are automatically suspect.

 

277 If any of these RINOs were smart, they'd work for Obama for 1-2 years and then resign when its possible politically feasible, preferably with their tell all book coming out right before elections.

The Democrats did this to great affect.

Ambassador to China can resign due to policy differences over the undervalued Chinese currency or human rights and make Obama look bad.

Dude gets foreign policy checked off on his box, and can claim "moral superiority" too.

278 "Every governor running for President gets dogged with the "no foreign policy experience" thing. Not so anymore for Huntsman."

Heh! What sort of credible experience will he bring to the office after having Foggy Bottom holding the reins?

279 You all seem to forget that Huntsman was previously an ambassador to Singapore... already some foreign service creds.

He will do great as an ambassador to China in a critical time. 

I'm just glad he's out of the picture and we have an actual Republican in the Utah governor's mansion.

Huntsman is moderate - that reads center-left.  Socially somewhat liberal, a global warming advocate and in the pocket of the Education Establishment.  However, I will say he's done a credible job running the State of Utah in his term.  He is certainly misguided, but is competent at running things.

Thank you Obama.  I'd rather have him serving the country in China that here promoting global warming issues like cap and trade in the US.

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