1 “I don’t think the president misspoke. His remarks correctly and accurately described the industry’s commitment. It was better than Cats”

2 Don't forget duh1's lying re the Caterpillar factory visit.

3 I put some weaksauce on my steak last night.

4
If they know what's good for them they'll stop mis-remembering what IWon didn't say, or they'll be living in a cardboard box under a bridge.  If they're lucky.

5 Haven't you people learned yet, I'm not negotiating with you, I'm telling you what you are going to do!

6

This doofus has a hearing problem.  From Rev Wright to the Health Industry, they say something and he hears something different or denies hearing it at all.  Seems to be a trend with liberals.   

7 It's because he's never held a job with any responsibility before. He has no idea what it means commit to something or not.

8 Jeez...if anyone thinks he did that by accident they aren't seeing the real picture.  Just like so many right wing pundits are laughing about Obama's statement that the debt is unsustainable. It isn't and he always knew it...but how else is he going to change his promise not to tax the middle class?

This man is one of the brightest men we've ever had in office.  _Nothing_ he does is by accident.  He intends to turn  us into a socialized nation and has the opposition thinking he's a clown.

Think again laughing boy.

9 Oh Noes!! Whatever will he do now? Probably the same thing he always does: Time to set up one of his famous town hall meetings, get all Elmer Gantry on the crowd, promising to save them from their discomforts. Crowd leaves happy, certain that Obama will take care of them. Obama smiles, his ego intact. Health care types take the blame for all problems, foolishly believing that it will get The Won off their backs. Problem solved. Next up: wreck energy supply.

10 This isn't a misunderstanding, or a case of "misspeaking".  He knows what he's doing.  He already knows what he's going to tell the public before these meetings happen.  Then he tells people what they want to hear.  By the time it's revealed that it was false, the wheels are already in motion.  Chances are most people won't see this story, what really happened.

11 The really perplexing thing is that none of these industry leaders has the authority to promise anything.  If the head of the AMA decides it would be a good idea to cut spending on health care, that has zero affect on what Joe Blow, MD of Shawnee Mission, KS does.  This is like having the head of the Rotary Club promise to have all retailers reduce prices on #2 pencils.  Which is to say, total BS

12

Without serious health cost cuts, this burst of activism will hasten fiscal suicide.

David Brooks

http://tinyurl.com/pvh7ma

Isn't amazing that our betters are just now waking up to what many of us have been saying for years now?  And they wonder why newspapers are dying.

13 Remember the business owner who Obama said would hire lots of people if the stimulus passed.

He does this on purpose, he claims agreement and essentially dares them to contradict him and look foolish in the process.

14 Obama lied, CEOs hide.

15

They say they agreed to slow health spending in a more gradual way and did not pledge specific year-by-year cuts.

In Washington, this is a cut.

Therefore, the Presdient did not misspeak.

QED.

P.S.:  I hope Ms. Deparle's resume is up to date.

16 The really perplexing thing is that none of these industry leaders has the authority to promise anything.  If the head of the AMA decides it would be a good idea to cut spending on health care, that has zero affect on what Joe Blow, MD of Shawnee Mission, KS does.

I was kind of wondering the same thing.  And what about those MD's who don't belong to the AMA?  Only about half of all doctors belong.  That trend started when the AMA went leftward.  I don't belong and have no intention of giving them any dues money.  Its sort of like NOW speaking for "all" women.

17 All those hospitals and insurance companies misled the President. I know, Nancy said so...

18 I bill the state and feds for medical services provided to the public and I can tell you it is a fucking nightmare for very little return.  I can see the train wreck coming.

19

This man is one of the brightest men we've ever had in office. 

I have seen zero--ZERO evidence of that.   

20

11:

Not only that, but one of the six groups at the summit was the SEIU. There is no entity on Earth less likely to take a pay cut of any sort. The meeting was a joke. The suggestion that these groups will even gradually slow cost increases is a joke. They want to get in on the "millions of uninsured," or better stated, the tax dollars confiscated to serve them.

21
Captain Bullshit to the rescue. The facts are irrelevant, its the feeling that's important.

I'm feeling screwed.

22

You mean they aren't going to save trillions by buying in bulk from Staples?

23 Someone should develop the Magic Obama. It's like the Magic 8 ball, but with Obamaisms.

24

23 Someone should develop the Magic Obama. It's like the Magic 8 ball, but with Obamaisms.

You need to patent that.

25 Zero should put the Hildebeast in charge of his health care plan. She has experience getting her fat ass waxed over this issue.

26 What President doesn't/hasn't overstated things?  What critic of a President, hasn't done the same?

The nature of this argument is no win when one states and one criticizes with no alternatives.  What is the impact of the overstatement, what is the intention of the criticism?

Is progress the goal or just a complex network of rants and rebuttals?

aj

27

All I know is this reform has me nervous as hell. I'm fortunate enough to have insurnace provided at work, but we still lay out $1000-$1200/month on copays.

If Obama decides to tax benefits, don't know what I'm going to do.

28 "Federal officials have pressured Bank of America Corp. to revamp its board by bringing in directors with more banking experience, as regulators place the bank under increasingly heavy government scrutiny."  http://tinyurl.com/e88bk

29 JEA,

most everyone I know is now paying for some portion of their health insurance.  Companies are no longer willing to pay for your health insurance in full as a perk.

30

Its sort of like NOW speaking for "all" women.

Pshh. What, you mean like AARP speaking for everyone in the country over 55?

31 Weaksauce response from Whit House.  By golly my sauce was strong.  My hedgehog wife didn't know about my strong sauce, but by golly others did.  I was know as the guy with hot strong sauce.

32

Is progress the goal or just a complex network of rants and rebuttals?

Please define "progress."

33 You misheard me if you think I said I would not bust my nut all over your face.

34
Bitterclingers,
 What. You forgot. I Won.
There is no hope. Only change.
Your childrens change..your grandchildrens change.

Yours truly,
Zero. xoxo

35 Too bad there is no opposition party ready to resist and reverse Barry the Hutt's push to Socialism.

I'm going to stock up on whiskey, cigarettes, coffee, and chocolate. These items will be great in the new Bartertown economy.

36

Someone should develop the Magic Obama. It's like the Magic 8 ball, but with Obamaisms.

 

Maybe they could make it a part of the Chia Obama.

37 "United States of Cuba...or Venezuala...or China...or whatever.
I wonder if all the students in our Universities have torn out the pages in their business text books refering to Capitalism...or at the very least donated the pages to the History Department."  http://tinyurl.com/qecto7  (you know things are getting interesting when this is a response on a liberal financial blog)

38 What is the sound of one troll clapping?

39 AARP has spent about $20.00 in stamps trying to entice me into their socialist organization. They can kiss my rapidly greying hairy ass.

40 #26 Hey aj, I have an alternative for ya. How 'bout calling taking my money by force to pay for someone else's healthcare, food, housing etc. what it is. Stealing.

41 Has WonDuhBoy said "health care rationing" yet?  He will eventually.

42

When my dad was sick, I took care of his bills.  He kept getting statements from Medicare about his medical testing, etc.  Some were ligit but some were truely unfathemable.  Medicare was paying for (in my dad's name) for breast biopsy, mammagrams, etc.  I caleed Medicare and they told me just to highlight the charges in dispute and mail it back to them.  5 months later they were still being billed, and paying, for these services.  So, I called back and they told me the same thing, mail it back.  I finally hit my limit when dad started getting calls from a Medicare 'overseer' that wanted to help my dad coordinate his care......for breast cancer!!!  My dad had neck cancer. 

I even asked the lady why Medicare was paying for treatment of neck cancer and breast cancer?  Why haven't they done anything with all of the bills I highlighted and returned.  She told me that it costs more to take charges OFF than to just pay them because of all the hoops they have to go through!!!

There is a lot of waste in that agency. 

43 The nature of this argument is no win when one states and one criticizes with no alternatives.  What is the impact of the overstatement, what is the intention of the criticism?

Is progress the goal or just a complex network of rants and rebuttals?

I hear your clarion call to be recognized as the Noble Neutral and do so.  You are so Noble and Neutralish. 

You are also guilty of the very thing you complain about.  You too offer no substantive ideas, merely a plea for people to notice you.

44 It's a deliberate tactic. I meet with the President. The Pres. praises me to the press and claims I made a commitment to him. I know I did not. I now have the choice of contradicting the man with all the power or fulfilling his wish. The carrot is he allows me to look good if I do what he wishes. The stick is implied.

45 Amri Johnson has promised to give each of us one thousand dollars. Line up boys and girls. Or, did I overstate that?

46

What is the sound of one troll clapping?

You just had to ask.

 

47 The best part about all the old fuckheads that thing Gov'ment healthcare will be a boon to them is that they are exactly the people who will be deemed dispensible when resources must be used in a cost effective manner. Deep thinkers, all of them.

48 Or what everyone else said. You know how I know you all are damn smart? You agree with me before I say anything.

49

The nature of this argument is no win when one states and one criticizes with no alternatives.  What is the impact of the overstatement, what is the intention of the criticism?

What a retarded argument.  Obama has spent so much money in the first few months of his administration that he has put the country in the fast lane to bankruptcy.  Everyone here opposed it.  But now that he has created that situation we are supposed to buy his idiotic claims that he can spend trillions more on healthcare but will make up for everything with mythical cuts in the healthcare system volunteered by the healthcare industry which anyone with a functioning frontal lobe knew was a lie .. but now it's our responsiblity to come up with solutions to the problems we never wanted in the first place?

Here's one suggestion.  Stop spending fucking money we don't have!  How's that?

50 All those foolish bond holders and wall streeter types who gave to Obama must be crying in their bottled water now. 

He has the unions, the media, and ACORN - and doesn't need them.  Who are they going to turn to for help -- the evil Dick Cheney and the Republican party that "left" them?

51 OT  the accidental president needs to be told that although dead people can vote for him, they can't cash his stimulus checks!!11eleventy11!!!!!11!111

52 The GOP is now consulting Hildebeast for ideas. Where have I heard the term "listening tour" before? We need to become Democrat lite, doncha know. Reagan was elected for being Jimmah Carter lite, wasn't he?

53 47 It will take a while to get the public used to the idea of letting the old die when they could be treated. For that reason, we will pay for the Boomers comfort and then drop of the medical rolls at 60 or 65 ourselves. And the Boomers have never shown any inclination that they would give a damn.

54

Obama has spent so much money in the first few months of his administration that he has put the country in the fast lane to bankruptcy.

Pelosi bragged about this yesterday during her press conf.  She said something along these lines, 'We have accomplished so much.  More than any Congress before, or very close to it.  Healthcare for all is next.'

55

When will all those foolish health care entities realize:

Obama won.  Deal with it.

They should save themselves the time and sign over their corporate accounts to "Barak Hussein Obama."

 

56 momma:  I don't know anything about you Dad's case.  However, his doctor would have been required to check for metastasis. This would include lymph node biopsies and a mammogram since solid tumors can invade contiguous structures.  I have this argument with my stepfather all the time.  The big question is whether these were actually done or merely billed for.

57 During the debates in the early sixties on creating Medicare the Republicans said this idea was creeping Socialism and would someday be an enormously costly enterprise. The Democrats said "Nonsense! Only two little old ladies in Miami would ever need this program. Do you hate little old ladies? You cheap, heartless Republican monster."

Wash, rinse, repeat.

58 The nature of this argument is no win when one states and one criticizes with no alternatives. What is the impact of the overstatement, what is the intention of the criticism? Reminds me of the "Do Something!" chorus that sprouted up at the beginning of this financial mess. Folks, if you are on fire and the guy next to you is holding a bucket of gasoline, you may not want him to "Do Something!"

59 @ 43
"I hear your clarion call to be recognized as the Noble Neutral and do so.  You are so Noble and Neutralish."

"What makes a good man go neutral? Lust for gold? Power? Or were you just born with a heart full of neutrality?"

60 I'm going to stock up on whiskey, cigarettes, coffee, and chocolate. These items will be great in the new Bartertown economy.

I'm planning to corner the market on incandescent light bulbs. People are going to pay a fortune for those things when they can't get them in stores anymore.

61

OT

George W. Bush:Liberator and Environmentalist

http://tinyurl.com/pey3jz

Read it, then pass it along to your lib. wacko environmentalists.

62 Need more people to stand up to DuhOne and hold the line. The Chrysler guys lost their stones. Someone/some group needs to start the battle to derail this out of control spending train.

63 Farmer, you are so right.  If you break one of the new fangled light bulbs your room becomes a super fund cleanup site.

64

#26

 

You want an alternative?  Here ya go: Get the government out of the system and you will see the entiore situation improve.

 

Don't lie to yourself and say that the system is broken now with the government on the sidelines. When I say out, I mean O.U.T.

65 Remember how scary it was when George W. Bush, as guided by his evil puppeteer Dick Cheney, was working to create an imperial presidency?
Electing Democrats means turning the government over to unions. Cozy deals for unions have made the cost of government into a crushing burden that is becoming unsustainable, and has ruined our education system and now has their lying eyes on our health care system. Tell the President to go screw. Ready? I don't hear you.

66 Personally, I'm going to invest in Offshore Independant Medical Facilities. If Zero and ilk get their way, Island medical complexes are going to be big.

67

Someone needs to ask the teleprompter what he was supposed to say as opposed to what he actually said.

68 All government programs to assist people in paying bills of any sort must end. People have to see the true costs of things and must bear their own burdens.

All help must come from friends, family, churches, charities, etc.

Nothing from the government. Nothing.

69 O/T:  On CNBC they were just discussing the fact that there are many quiet female millionaires and that someone is going around the country and annonymously donating enormous sums of money to universities with female presidents for female programs.  Wasn't aware that the donations were so specific, but have seen a lot of indications of huge donations to universities.  In discussing this with friends someone suggested "maybe they just want to get rid of it" which I thought was such a fascinating pandora's box type of response.

70 "68 All government programs to assist people in paying bills of any sort must end. People have to see the true costs of things and must bear their own burdens.

All help must come from friends, family, churches, charities, etc.

Nothing from the government. Nothing.

Posted by: eman at May 15, 2009 09:46 AM (Dec0Z)"

If you read the comments in blogs and after articles, nothing is coming from the government.  Mostly everyone is complaining that they aren't eleigible and if they aren't eligible, who is?  Makes you wonder if anyone is benefitting from these programs.  It is interesting because  how would you check?

71 Remember how scary it was when George W. Bush, as guided by his evil puppeteer Dick Cheney, was working to create an imperial presidency?
Electing Democrats means turning the government over to unions.

Using the lessons derived from decades of urban management, the Democrats will give us all the efficiency of Detroit coupled with the transparent ethics of Chicago.  Good times are just around the corner.

72

The big question is whether these were actually done or merely billed for.

I went to every test, doc. appt, etc., and this was not done.  Some of these tests were 'done' in my dad's final weeks, when my dad's cancer had beaten science.

73

You people don't seem to realize that the Dems won.  And with their win came the implicit right to be able to pull any argument they want out of their ass and have it become the defacto TRUTH.  And in contrast, anyone with a contradictory version would be a liar.  Anyone with a different version would be a traitor AND a liar.  Anyone attending a tea party would be a sexual fetishist.  And anyone who had the audacity to actually hold to convictions or ideals would be subjected to public pillory every time anyone in the B.O. administration said something boneheaded (virtually everyday).

Now STFU - losers!

74 Hmm, now what if Palin was in office and doing this?  A whole other media spin.  Check out VDH today and weep:
http://tiny.cc/P1U5P

75 kidney -- regarding his tactic, you're exactly right. He's done it several times now. I've seen this used in my own workplace. All that it takes to stop it is for someone to have some balls, stand up and say "He's lying. We never agreed to that. We're out of here, and you have HIM to thank for it." I've played that card before, and it feels fucking fantastic to do so.

76 All government programs to assist people in paying bills of any sort must end. People have to see the true costs of things and must bear their own burdens.

All help must come from friends, family, churches, charities, etc.

Nothing from the government. Nothing.

I have nothing against temporary assistance, run at the state level.  Bad times happen and not everyone has the support structure of family or church.  But these should be strictly limited.  If you are on welfare for more than 5 years, then you are not really trying to get off of it and you should no longer be my problem.

77

And if my Zen dog has no nose, Amri Johnson, who does he smell?

78 Today is not a good day in Chrysler land.  All these dealerships are going to close, lay off their workers, and they probably supported Obama.

Today Gallup announced that in one year the 50% of the public that identified themselves as "pro-choice" in 2008 is now polling at just 42% in 2009.  Meanwhile, the 44% of the public that identified themselves at "pro-life" in 2008 are now polling at 51% in 2009.

Change™

Albeit a culture war front, just wait until the economic front polling data starts rolling in.  The public isn't going to take this shit much longer.  The White House is driving under the influence.  Just wait until the wives and mothers of all these laid off workers start asking questions about government policies.

79 76,

I used to feel the same way, but no one can control these programs. They always start small and then grow and grow. Worse, they create and nurture the idea that this is the way it should be, that the government is supposed to do these things. People really begin to believe the government is supposed to solve problems.

That is not the purpose of government.

It has to stop. All of it. No middle ground. No a little bit here and a little bit there. Don't worry, we won't let it grow beyond what is truly needed.

80 If you are on welfare for more than 5 years, then you are not really trying to get off of it and you should no longer be my problem.

TARP is going to be a major blow to welfare reform advocates.  The Democrats will use TARP for the next 10 years to beat back reform attempts.  It will work.  The Democrats have 25% of the population owned because they live in cities, supported by taxpayer money, locked into limited markets, with rent, housing, and job controls all around them.

Capitalists have to enter cities and start competing on the message front.  Urban dwellers aren't aware of how capitalism helps them.  Their elected officials pretend it does not exist.  Their only guarantee is that government will solve their problems even though its history reflects the opposite.

81

I used to feel the same way, but no one can control these programs. They always start small and then grow and grow. Worse, they create and nurture the idea that this is the way it should be, that the government is supposed to do these things. People really begin to believe the government is supposed to solve problems.

That is not the purpose of government.

It has to stop. All of it. No middle ground. No a little bit here and a little bit there. Don't worry, we won't let it grow beyond what is truly needed.

I agree, charity belongs in the hands of charities, where there will be some accountability.  And the people who need help can place a face/faces with the hands that are giving out money.  Instead of faceless taxpayers, who ironically end up being resented by many of the same people who accept the handouts.

82 It has to stop. All of it. No middle ground. No a little bit here and a little bit there. Don't worry, we won't let it grow beyond what is truly needed.

I suggest using sports metaphors.  Most people will a high school education can resonate with the concept of the best athletes get to play the most minutes.  It's a merit based system with a marginal amount of luck and timing built into it.

83
This is part of the "blank mask" that BO probably had to perfect as a kid as he was shoved from house to house, country to country.

His speaking is all verbal fog designed *not* to communicate, but to generate "agreement". That's why he loves to speak to groups. ex: BO says "we will improve access to healthcare" everyone in the room nods and cheers because well, who's not for that?

No one asks the obvious questions because they're all socially cowed by the massive agreement, which means nothing in real policy terms, around them.

We'll know that the backlash has started when attendees to these yes fests actually stand up and start asking the obvious questions. ex: Mr President, how exactly do you propose to "increase access"? and then hold his feet to the fire with follow-up questions.

Otherwise, well heck, they all "agreed" with BO about his policy objectives which obviously means they "agree" with the way he wants to do it. Without, you know, ever actually endorsing or even learning the process.

This is a coward's and bully's trick. BO doesn't have the intellectual heft or strength to straight up defend and push his policies on their dubious merits. It's how a particularly nasty 13 yr old girl would get her way.

It's an obvious trick with an obvious pattern of use. Business leaders and Republicans better learn to start short-circuiting it now.

84 So, 2000 dealerships go tits-up. Let's say on average 20 employees each. That's 40,000 new involuntary vacationers.

Almost 10 percent of the 500,000 new involuntary vacationers Barry the Hutt creates each month.

Very efficient.

85 Some of these tests were 'done' in my dad's final weeks, when my dad's cancer had beaten science.

I am so sorry for the way your father was treated. 

Unfortunately oncologists have a reputation for forcing treatment well past the point of futility.  As a resident (I had a late life career change, hence my handle), I met a few attending oncologists who refused to even discuss death or hospice options with patients/families who clearly needed it, did not allow us to do it,  and continued chemo/radiation well past the point of common sense.  Some do it out of a sincere but misguided wish to "keep fighting", some out of moral cowardice, and some to turn a tidy profit. 

We are all fallen sinners.  The only advise I could give would be to put Absolute Trust in no one and remember that you are in charge of your own medical care, not the doctor.  This includes other family members if you were given Medical Power of Attorney.

86

The more things 'change' the more they stay the same.

"I'm going to completely overhaul the health care system."

Surprise... it looks a whole lot like the old health care system. <*sigh*>

87 I wonder what makes the idiots who support the socialists think the government can run the health care system. The government can't even run the damned postal system. Look what a great job politicians do when they take over directing operations for the military. Instantaneous cluster fuck. Dead Americans and good intentions and zero results.

88 Beck was talking about a lawmaker introducing a bill to have Fed gov't back all of California's debt.  Can anyone find a link?

89 No! Egregious bullshit from Teh One?

Hold me, Martha!

90 WFT Capital Investments said:
"Urban dwellers aren't aware of how capitalism helps them.  Their elected officials pretend it does not exist.  Their only guarantee is that government will solve their problems even though its history reflects the opposite."

One of my biggest gripes with the Spendulus Package was that it gave tons of cash to all of these urban, faile governments that allowed them to once again pretend that their shit was working, as opposed to failing miserably, which is what it's really doing.

91

Beck was talking about a lawmaker introducing a bill to have Fed gov't back all of California's debt.

Want wind power?  Install a mill in front of the interest rate tracker.

92 Hey look - a squirrel!

93

I am so sorry for the way your father was treated

Thanks for your concern.  He was a great man. 

All the tests being billed for weren't even being billed by his doctor.  They were being billed by the hospital.  I think that they mixed up my dad's billing# and another patient's.  I was just so frustrated when I was trying to take the time, away from caring for my dying father, to do the right thing.  I was telling them it was wrong, and they told me it was easier than doing it right.

94 I used to feel the same way, but no one can control these programs. They always start small and then grow and grow. Worse, they create and nurture the idea that this is the way it should be, that the government is supposed to do these things. People really begin to believe the government is supposed to solve problems.

I can certainly see your point.  I think a lot of this could be controlled if we returned to a proper idea of shame.  It should be embarrassing to get help, but help should still be there.  The big draw in families, charities and churches doing the lifting is the fact that the ones getting the aid have to look them in the eye.

But we no longer value shame.  Self esteem is the answer, we are told.  We have some of the proudest sociopaths in the world.  Hurray for us.

95 Actually I don't mind a little bit of lowest common demoninator welfare, both for life stuff (food, shelter) and even healthcare. The things is, that it has to mostly suck. It should be enough to keep people alive, off the streets and will fix your broken arm, but that's it. The vast majority of folks should look at it and shudder.

Unfortunately, you can't have a system like that, because even if it began that way, before too long, someone would make a case that it "inhumane", etc. and we'd be back on the same road we're on now. If only we could get a system like that completely entrenched in a bureacracy who's only concern was that it stayed just exactly like it was.

96

eman @ 57 has said a very profound thing. There was extensive debate about public-funded health care at its inception 45 years ago, covering every ideological aspect including conspiracies. Yet, to hear the code-worded, canned discussions going on now, you'd think they'd never happened.

It's one [inexcusable] thing that citizens of the world have no sense of the history of things that happened 200, or 600, years ago. It's another, more shocking, that we can't bring ourselves to remember our own times.

97 During the debates in the early sixties on creating Medicare the Republicans said this idea was creeping Socialism and would someday be an enormously costly enterprise. The Democrats said "Nonsense! Only two little old ladies in Miami would ever need this program. Do you hate little old ladies? You cheap, heartless Republican monster."

And along those lines:

During debate on the Senate floor, Ted Kennedy, speaking of the effects of the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1965, said, "First, our cities will not be flooded with a million immigrants annually. Under the proposed bill, the present level of immigration remains substantially the same.... Secondly, the ethnic mix of this country will not be upset.... Contrary to the charges in some quarters, [the bill] will not inundate America with immigrants from any one country or area, or the most populated and deprived nations of Africa and Asia.... In the final analysis, the ethnic pattern of immigration under the proposed measure is not expected to change as sharply as the critics seem to think.... The bill will not flood our cities with immigrants. It will not upset the ethnic mix of our society. It will not relax the standards of admission. It will not cause American workers to lose their jobs."

But heaven forbid Republicans should have some sort of organized opposition to these incredibly destructive policies the Democrats relentlessly and dishonestly push.  Better to reach some sort of "bi-partisan" moderately ruinous compromise instead.  We wouldn't want the lefty propagandists in the MSM to label us, "the party of no".  Let's work on re-branding so that we can be known as the party of, "Okaay.  But only if you promise to pull out!"

98 I can't figure out why people even agree to talk with Obama.

99 He should have just been honest with them like he was with the bankers "I'm all that stands between you and mob with pitchforks".

100 The safety net prior to welfare and social security was faith based charities and family cohesion.  It could seem cruel in some aspects but it kept the tradition of responsiblity and self reliance going which is what made America exceptional.  We have been slowly losing those attributes since the New Deal and it looks like Obama is trying to hammer the last nail in the coffin.  

101

From the linked article...

But health care executives are leery of enforceable cost controls. Mr. Pollack assured hospital executives that the promised savings “are not subject to rigid ‘scoring’ rules used by the Congressional Budget Office.”

As it should read

But health care executives are leery of enforceable cost controls. Mr. Pollack assured hospital executives that the promised savings “are not YET subject to rigid ‘scoring’ rules used by the Congressional Budget Office, but who are we kidding, these "voluntary" scoring rules will soon be forced on us by the Teh One for the good of us all.”

FTFY

 

102

This is what I'm learning:

That if I'm working in a store on Christmas Eve and a customer asks me what the store's hours will be on Christmas Day, I ought to tell him that we'll be open from 6 to 6. That will make him happy. Of course, he'll be quite unhappy when he finds the store to be closed on Christmas Day, but I won't be there, so I won't need to deal with that.

It's a win-win -- that is, I win today and I win tomorrow. Screw the other guy.

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I am writing to invite you to join me, Senator Chris Dodd, a senior member of the Senate Committee on Health, Education, Labor and Pensions, and special guest Nancy-Ann DeParle, Director of the White House Office of Health Reform, in Derby, Connecticut this Saturday, May 16th at 12 noon for the fourth and final Connecticut Prescriptions for Change forum.  Nancy-Ann DeParle is one of President Obama's top advisors on health care reform and this is an important opportunity to hear firsthand her views on this important issue and to share your experiences and ideas for improving our nation's health care system.

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Case in point.

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"If you don't have a name and a date, in writing, you've got squat."

The One has squat.  If you doubt me, tell me exactly who is going to cut what and by when.  Then ask them for the details of how they are going to do it.

The only reason any politician is alive is because most people are too stupid to press for these answers.  If you did ask, you'd know they were lying.

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Expect prices to go up just as Caterpillar laid off people a month after Obama's jobs declaration.
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@8: "This man is one of the brightest men we've ever had in office."

Overall, that isn't much of an achievement on his part.  Americans tend to elect booger-eating morons.  I don't think that they are particularly unique in this.

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One third of the American people are like us--alternating between outrage and disbelief that our country seems to have willingly given itself over to a Hugo Chavez clone. One third keeps giving him the benefit of the doubt and believing in "hope" despite all evidence to the contrary. And one third is clueless zombies who can't even tell you who their senators are.

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78   just wait until the economic front polling data starts rolling in.  The public isn't going to take this shit much longer.  The White House is driving under the influence.  Just wait until the wives and mothers of all these laid off workers start asking questions about government policies.

Posted by: WTF Capital Investments at May 15, 2009 10:00 AM (GtYrq)

Well, then it'll be time for re-education and elimination:

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Posted by: U.S.S. Yorktown at May 15, 2009 12:06 PM (5RlWq)

And that's another thing:  Why the hell won't this guy quit gallivanting all over the country and stay in Washington and do his job?

I think it's safe to say he likes the idea of being president more than actually doing the job of president! Plus, cooped up in the Oval Office, he can't get his daily fix of what he's addicted to, which is crowds of adulating, salivating, leg-tingling, hyperventilating worshipers hanging on his every word and looking up at him with adoring eyes.

119 ...dad started getting calls from a Medicare 'overseer' that wanted to help my dad coordinate his care......for breast cancer!!!

There is a lot of waste in that agency.

Posted by: momma at May 15, 2009 09:28 AM (penCf)

Don't worry they're working to reduce it.   My brother has a birth defect (spina bifida) and he currently gets some payments from that (due to dad's military time, my brother is his dependent, etc. he qualified for some medical payments recently).

But first, they had to provide medical documentation and proof that my brother in fact had his birth defect when he was born...

Ok, I'll say that again.  They had to provide documentation to prove that he had his birth defect at birth.

I'd continue this story; but the stupidity required to try to explain that last statement; much less the rest of the story is more than my mind can bear.

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