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| U.S. Cooperating with Pakistani Military using PredatorsOpen coordination for something that wasn't quite as openly coordinated before. The U.S. military has begun flying armed Predator drones inside Pakistan and has given Pakistani officers significant control over targets, flight routes and decisions to launch attacks under a new joint operation, according to U.S. officials familiar with the program. The project was begun in recent weeks to bolster Pakistan's ability and willingness to disrupt the militant groups that are posing a growing threat to the government in Islamabad and fueling violence in Afghanistan.I rather doubt that this is the first time Predators have been "allowed" to venture. But it does indicate an open level of coordination exists now beyond a wink and a nod, or an "act and ask forgiveness later" approach. Asking forgiveness later is something I find useful nearly every day. Best part? Dianne can flip her gums now without remorse. I suppose the best way to keep idiots from revealing truly important secrets is to make them not secret anymore. You don't have to respond to charges from the President when he refers to the action as "say what?" I for one am looking forward to the next headline, Taliban Field Commanders Succumb to Atopic Dermatis, 3,000 pounds of Reaper Launched Air to Ground Munitions, but Mostly 3,000 pounds of Reaper Launched Air to Ground Munitions. Am curious though, how Obama squares this approach with invasion plans. CommentsPosted by: todler at May 12, 2009 09:00 PM (ezxOF) 2
"...given Pakistani officers significant control over targets, flight routes and decisions to launch attacks..." Does it occur to anyone else that our Predators are going to be used by the Pakis in personal vendettas and in-fighting eachother, and not against AQ and the Taliban? Also we better hope they don't have the range to hit targets in India. Posted by: Dang Straights at May 12, 2009 09:07 PM (RAK3W) 3
I thought the Proclaimed One was gonna invade Pahk-ee-staaan?
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It's not likely the Taliban read the L.A. Times, hell, L.A. citizens don't read the L.A. Times
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I call bullshit on Paki military having ANY operational control on the drones. The drones, after all, are targeting the sole semi-successful creations of the Paki military/ISI. To let them have any actual say is to be bombing empty huts or actual sympathetic civilians. The Paks are NOT our friends in any way, shape, or form
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1 Yeah I have a feeling that word is going to get out to the targets before they get Hellfired.
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The secret to effectively using air-to-ground assets is good information from the ground. If the Paki officers are providing good information, then the Paki offensive against the Taliban has some promise. Eg Northern Alliance. I suspect the Taliban still remember that ass kicking.
Posted by: Jean at May 12, 2009 09:17 PM (xCBQ4) 8
Looks like the Pakis are starting to realize that appeasement will not keep the Taliban from trying to take over their country. Now, if we could just get the Democrats to see the light. I can dream, can't I?
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Not cool when our troops are there Posted by: Lou at May 12, 2009 09:25 PM (HYopM) 10
Slightly OT but I've heard Predator attrition is high because the AF insists on manual control of landings.
Posted by: steevy at May 12, 2009 09:27 PM (Hlgf1) 11
Frank G They don't have to be our friends. So long as we keep the nukes out of the Taliban hands, we're doing good for us. OT, anyone else got kin heading to a Somali theater? Posted by: NotJamesTaggart at May 12, 2009 09:31 PM (XUeYy) 12
The Pakis don't need Predators. They need close air support if they're going to drive these Taliban goatfuckers out of the Swat Valley. Get some B-52s or A-10s on station and give 'em what for.
Oh, wait. That would require a CinC with some actual balls. In that case, I withdraw my suggestion. We now return you to the previous insignificant feeble gesture. Posted by: Empire of Jeff at May 12, 2009 09:34 PM (xGIqT) 13
It certainly make the job of gaining access easier with a Hussein asking. That's the part we shouldn't attempt to diminish. He gets to do things our white commander in chief could never do, due to political considerations.
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Frank , Pakistan is a mess, some guys are friendly, some times. In this case, our interests align.
The Taliban went too far and have led the world to question the stability of the Punjabi regime. ISI or not, no Punjabi is going to take shit from a goat herding Pashtun.(Pathan). The Taliban and other islamists campaign of suicide bombings inside Pakistan has not been too popular and the ISI guys are smart enough not to get in the way of a train. I actually suspect the Bombay attack was partially executed to draw attention off of the local bombings inside Pakistan. A good place to poke around for a while is the UT map collection online. Look at the ethnic maps for our favorite shit holes. See: http://preview.tinyurl.com/834ft Posted by: Jean at May 12, 2009 09:38 PM (xCBQ4) 15
Best part of calling targets is your other allies (former soviet) get sweet sweet telemetry.
Posted by: Druid at May 12, 2009 09:39 PM (nFeDb) 16
Also we better hope they don't have the range to hit targets in India.
Operational control isn't absolute control, It's US pilots controling the drones, not the paki's, and I'm more than confident we have go no-go override authority. Posted by: Douglas at May 12, 2009 09:40 PM (uU+Ss) 17
Get some B-52s or A-10s on station and give 'em what for.
A day post 9-11 my bet was another thousand A-10s and a few hundred 52s off the assembly line. And another nuke power plant every fricken month at home. Posted by: Druid at May 12, 2009 09:44 PM (nFeDb) 18
According to mypetjawa, any 'victory' is actually a staged victory. Whenever I hear about Pakistan fighting the taliban I remember this quote: “I cannot lie to you,” Namdar said, smiling at last. “The [Pakistani] army comes in, and they fire at empty buildings. It is a drama — it is just to entertain....America'
Read the NYT article that is linked at mypetjawa. It validates your fears about Pakistan. Pakistan’s double game has rested on two premises: that the country’s leaders could keep the militants under control and that they could keep the United States sufficiently placated to keep the money and weapons flowing.
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Does this mean Obama is creating terrorists?
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During the campaign didn't the messiah of peace say he didn't want drones flying around and killing people?
Posted by: TheQuietMan at May 12, 2009 09:49 PM (IIB1z) 22
No I think we finally have the Paki's attention here. This colossal mistake by the Talli's - in thinking they could actually TAKE AND HOLD Pakistan may have given us an opportunity - not only to roll them back - but to completely exterminate them.
We'll see how this plays out - but I think Obama has an opportunity here. For sure, he'll probably blow it - but I think he has an opportunity here. Posted by: HondaV65 at May 12, 2009 09:50 PM (9vlDt) 23
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Now while the liberals are praising Obama for this "smart power" teamwork with the Taliban infested ISI,maybe they can explain why bombing people from the sky with no rights being afforded to them or proof that they are guilty is okay
but putting a CATERPILLAR in the cell or POURING WATER ON THE FACE of a captured and known terrorist is a war crime. Please liberal, square that circle. Posted by: Baxter Greene at May 12, 2009 09:59 PM (5NHPy) 25
I'm well aware of the Pak two-faced apps. I'm a regular at Rantburg.com, which focuses on this aspect, to my constant frustration. The PAks are allies of convenience, never friends, and their state is not sovereign. They will exist only until their ineveitable martyrdom comes, measured in rads.
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Anyone interested in studying up on Pakistan's 'shell game' REALLY needs to read this NYT article. It is long, but well worth it.
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Feinstein needs to be brought up on charges of treason for her comments. What happened to "protect and defend the Constitution of the United States?" We let these asswipes say whatever the hell they want to say these days? Bring a few of them up on charges, they'd shut their damn mouths real quick!
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Too little, too late...The Pakis will use them to wipe out tribal leaders they don't like...you probably have Taliban infiltraters already in the Paki army....
Posted by: izoneguy at May 12, 2009 10:43 PM (3k9TU) 34
12 The Pakis don't need Predators. They need close air support if they're going to drive these Taliban goatfuckers out of the Swat Valley. Get some B-52s or A-10s on station and give 'em what for.
Oh, wait. That would require a CinC with some actual balls. In that case, I withdraw my suggestion. We now return you to the previous insignificant feeble gesture. Yep, I wonder how long before we get some military brass to kick some real ass without Obummers approval? They can always say they didn't know anything?? Works for Pelosi!!!! Posted by: izoneguy at May 12, 2009 10:46 PM (3k9TU) 35
20 Does this mean Obama is creating terrorists?
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This is just Obama looking to get some cover when there are civilian casualties. Now we can blame it on incompetent Pak targeting/intel.
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OT (Where's the late-night thread??),
A lib at work today told me he realized what a stupid dolt Bush was when he referred to the "Mexican" language. I mentioned that Obama recently referred to an "Austrian" language. He was totally dumbfounded, never had heard the story (of course). The MSM is killing this country. Posted by: GregInSeattle at May 13, 2009 12:04 AM (gbGqE) Posted by: GregInSeattle at May 13, 2009 12:05 AM (gbGqE) 40
Things are gettin' funny.
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Teh MSM is full of lose. I work up in Redmond at a NOC with something like 30 huge screens around the room. When management was so *audacious* as to put Fox up, a small number of techs complained loud and long until it was removed. However, they still got their MSNBC fix; the rest of us have CNBC and CNN. We still have the Fox audio feed, but I detest Greta van Susteren and Billy O. Glenn Beck is cool, and when we had him on HLN it was full of win and must have been very confusing to teh co-workers. Most of my co--workers don't hear about the O's mis-steps until a week or two later because the blogs won't shut up, so good job blogs. Posted by: flashoverride at May 13, 2009 02:01 AM (E/X9t) Posted by: rdbrewer at May 13, 2009 02:07 AM (7vUBe) 45
Liked glenn more on HLN.
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Does anybody know if it's JUST Waterboarding that's off the table and Sleep Deprivation and Belly Slaps and Walling still allowed?
I've tried to stay on top of this subject but I can't find any mention of specifically if anything BESIDES waterboarding has been banned by the Obama Administration. The reason I 'm asking is because a lot of the moonbat posters at the Rotten Tomatoes Off Topic Discussion site HAVE classified Sleep Deprivation, Cold Rooms and Slapping as 'Torture'. It would be perfect if Obama is going to continue to allow them. But I can't find ANYTHING that says anything other than Waterboarding has been stopped. I don't want to go off half-cocked here. So................sleep deprivation and cold rooms and slapping still allowed? Yes or no? Anybody know? Posted by: manofaiki at May 13, 2009 04:39 AM (uSh7j) 47
Well, you don't bother as long as you are not really the one facing drone attacks!
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