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It's Time for Steele to Go

Jay Cost says so, and I'm persuaded. In just the space of a one minute answer, Steele manages to accuse the GOP base of religious intolerance and accuses Mitt Romney of being a dishonest flip-flopper.

As Cost notes, either or both of those things may be true, and are fair comment. (Yeah, way too many people are way too bothered by Romney's Mormonism, and yeah, he flip-flopped.)

But as he also says: Under no circumstance should such statements be coming from the RNC chair.

On the issue of flip-flopping - all signs point to Mitt Romney having an interest in a future presidential candidacy. He might very well succeed where he failed last cycle, becoming the 2012 Republican nominee. That would make these comments quite unfortunate. One could imagine the DNC working this into a general election campaign ad. The kicker is pretty obvious: "Mitt Romney's own boss doesn't think he's honest. Why should you?"

Second, the RNC Chairman has no business talking about a tension that exists within his party, unless the goal is to minimize it.... [I]t's bad for the party's image. If you're trying to woo marginal voters, you don't want to emphasize the fact that groups within the party have conflicts. Think Progress headlined its clip of Steele as this: "Steele Calls GOP Base Bigoted, Says They 'Rejected' Romney Because They Have 'Issues With Mormonism.'" Republicans should hope that the mainstream press does not run with Steele's comments, as it will only forward the "GOP is shrinking and narrow" meme, which he has actually helped along in the past.

I doubt very much that the party will suffer any long run damage from his most recent comments. The problem is: if he will say something this now, what's to stop him from flapping his gums when it could do the party real harm? What if, for instance, he mouths off one night backstage at the 2012 convention in front of a Politico reporter? That'd be a great story for the party during it's crucial week of self-promotion!

As I was quoting that, I was about to write "As an RNC Chairman, Michael Steele has been a great talk-show host." But Cost already made this point. I'll direct you there rather than quote more of it.

I have defended this guy at every turn. Or, well, most turns. This is the last straw. Michael Steele is the latest person who needs to learn the lesson It's not all about you, dude.

He seems to believe that he is so magnificently charming and persuasive that he can gain voters by being overly candid and overly "interesting" as a speaker. And, if he had one quarter of the charisma he seems to believe he's been blessed with, he might be right.

But he doesn't, and he's wrong. He's not particularly charismatic and he does not have the skills to turn these dangerous statements into rapport-building assets. They just continue to gather on the ground like unexploded grenades.

Give him the talk show he so plainly craves -- you can't separate this guy from a microphone with a crowbar -- and get someone less "interesting" and far less taken with himself as chairman. I'm tired of Steele's increasingly Wapnerian Rain Man act.

Thanks to someone, and also via Hot Air's headlines.

Posted by: Ace at 01:52 PM



Comments

1 They said Obama was unready for his job. Looks like Steele fits that description better. Go back to teh Heezy, pal

Posted by: billypaintbrush at May 11, 2009 01:56 PM (kK1jh)

2 If Steele goes (resigns or is fired), who would be a good replacement?

Posted by: IC at May 11, 2009 01:56 PM (jZNCU)

3 We need someone who will actually go out and say "Why is President Obama stealing money from American citizens' retirement accounts and pensions and giving it to his political allies?" Etc. 

This pussyfooting bullshit has to stop.  The Republicans could absolutely WRECK Obama if they had some balls and someone willing to articulate the very clear arguments against his stupidity.

Posted by: DaveS at May 11, 2009 01:57 PM (hF0Vm)

4 How about Jay Cost for RNC Chair?

Posted by: Jean at May 11, 2009 01:57 PM (L64A6)

5 2 If Steele goes (resigns or is fired), who would be a good replacement?

How about Dick Cheney?


The old bastard is capable of raising money and telling things like he sees them.

Posted by: Adam Smith's Invisible Hand at May 11, 2009 01:58 PM (rfebR)

6

I agree.  Steele's the head of the fraking RNC and all he does is simply repeat MSM/Democrat talking points about the base. 

Her bratness Meghan McCain would do better than this bum.

Posted by: Toad at May 11, 2009 01:58 PM (o5vMm)

7

I agree. The first thing I asked Steele to do was clean house (as if I had any influence - not). Dumping the RINOs out of the GOP would have set the bad guys back on their heels. I could see the 60 votes thing going south months ago so it would not have been a real issue. It would also put the line in the sand and all of Barry's boys and girls on 'that' side and the rest of us standing wa-a-a-y back on our side when this shit grenade goes off ($5 gasonline, etc.).

Steele must go.

Posted by: chuck in st paul at May 11, 2009 01:59 PM (jDpso)

8 WTF is this idiot thinking?

Posted by: Mr. Pink at May 11, 2009 01:59 PM (NM1Nu)

9 What a pity.  I really like Steele.

But yeah, he's just made too many mistakes.

Posted by: sandy burger at May 11, 2009 02:00 PM (twiRb)

10 Steele must be well hung, he can't stop tripping over his own dick.

Posted by: maddogg at May 11, 2009 02:00 PM (OlN4e)

11 We're way beyond "finding the right guy" at the RNC. The GOP is... anisotropic. It has no idea where to go. It looks the same from every viewpoint... like tapioca. Until it decides to actually oppose the Dummycrats with a coherent philosophy (not policy papers) the slot of chairman is meaningless.

Posted by: George Orwell at May 11, 2009 02:00 PM (AZGON)

12 But as he also says: Under no circumstance should such statements be coming from the RNC chair.

Dude.  Seriously.  Whatever happened to the Eleventh Commandment?  Particularly when we're discussing the RNC Chair.

Posted by: alexthechick at May 11, 2009 02:00 PM (iss9x)

13

Ace,

when you brought this uo about 2-3 weeks ago I disagreed with you. Now I agree. I was wanting to limit the damage and give Steele a chance. Now I am seeing as feckless and unfocused.

 

Now on to what's needed. A warrior with the attitude of an Patton or a McCarther. Now is a pivotal time and no time for the incest pool of Republican insiders.

Posted by: Locus at May 11, 2009 02:02 PM (hdEJE)

14 Didn't Reagan say "Thou shalt not speak ill of another Republican"? This and the RINOs are the problem, not, as so many fools think, the solution.

Posted by: maddogg at May 11, 2009 02:03 PM (OlN4e)

15 Don't worry, friends. Colin Powell has just what the doctor ordered.

/sarc

Posted by: George Orwell at May 11, 2009 02:03 PM (AZGON)

16 If Steele goes (resigns or is fired), who would be a good replacement?

Somebody we've never heard of and will never hear from again.

I admit I was for Steele because I thought he'd be a great spokesman for the GOP. Ooops, not so much.

Of course dumping his sorry ass is going to lead to months of "Republicans are racists" (well more than usual at least).  Hell, it's also likely to cause Steele to become a Democrat but at some point you have to cut your loses.

This guy is an idiot and he has to go.

Posted by: DrewM. at May 11, 2009 02:03 PM (PLGGU)

17
Why aren't we hammering the leftists on the $2 TRILLION dollar budget, instead of going after the 'social cons' in the GOP and telling us we need to be more like the socialists?  Steele never misses an opportunity to miss an opportunity. 

Beat it, Steele.

Posted by: Dang Straights at May 11, 2009 02:04 PM (Haq+B)

Posted by: richard mcenroe at May 11, 2009 02:04 PM (Qfd6v)

19 What a farce.  We should have picked Blackwell.  Real visionary stuff, not stupid posturing.

Posted by: someone at May 11, 2009 02:05 PM (1wXl7)

20 Another affirmative action success story.

Posted by: andycanuck at May 11, 2009 02:05 PM (Arft5)

21 As the voice of a new generation of Republicans I'll take the job.

Posted by: Meghan McCain at May 11, 2009 02:05 PM (PLGGU)

22

I want Zo, he tells it like it is, he counters the liberal mindset, and he's funny.

Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at May 11, 2009 02:07 PM (AJ4xq)

23 #18
Dude, that was teh Awesome. I am prostrate in admiration.

Posted by: George Orwell at May 11, 2009 02:07 PM (AZGON)

24 "We're way beyond "finding the right guy" at the RNC."

We don't need a Man on a Horse to remake things from the top down.

But we do need somebody who'll free and encourage new blood to remake the party from the grassroots.  Read the Blackwell stuff I just linked.

Posted by: someone at May 11, 2009 02:08 PM (1wXl7)

25 Send RINOs who crave media attention and approval to respond to MSM/DNC talking points by apologizing and thus tacitly admitting they are true.  Great strategy!!

Posted by: sherlock at May 11, 2009 02:08 PM (fKPuo)

26

Steele just wants to be loved.

By the other side.

Time to go.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at May 11, 2009 02:09 PM (B+qrE)

27 I swear to God, it's just too damn embarrassing to call myself a republican. Sometimes I can't believe Steele and myself hold the same values, but the morons in the republican leadership just don't get it. I'm a conservative, but I wouldn't call myself a republican with Steele at the helm.

Posted by: Bobaloo at May 11, 2009 02:12 PM (CoOYX)

28 I liked Blackwell. But my opinion of him took a hit when he endorsed Steele.

Posted by: flenser at May 11, 2009 02:12 PM (66+Qb)

29 Is there anyone (man or woman) left in this country with any freaking balls to be a leader?

Anyone?

Bueller?

Posted by: Vet Missing Parts at May 11, 2009 02:13 PM (MCHyX)

30 How about Blackwell? His Commiteeman project is a thing of beauty.

Posted by: lions at May 11, 2009 02:14 PM (9wR+o)

31 Is there anyone (man or woman) left in this country with any freaking balls to be a leader?

I'll do it!  Just remember, the new official motto is all shall love me and despair.

Posted by: alexthechick at May 11, 2009 02:15 PM (iss9x)

32 I think he should go, too.

Posted by: Dr. Manhattan at May 11, 2009 02:15 PM (OkrJ4)

33 Fred Thompson maybe?  I dunno.  I actually think the idea of using Zo is kind of interesting.  Can he raise money?

Posted by: Kensington at May 11, 2009 02:16 PM (qZw/x)

34 Some options - Blackwell, Cheney, Gingrich

Posted by: IC at May 11, 2009 02:16 PM (jZNCU)

35

Is there anyone (man or woman) left in this country with any freaking balls to be a leader?

Anyone?

Bueller?

Yes there are.  Palin, Giuliani, Teh Fred just off the top.....

Posted by: Eleven at May 11, 2009 02:17 PM (7DB+a)

36 Of all the objections to Romney, the flip-flopping is the most bogus.

Romney wasn't my first or second pick, and yes he has a plastic demeanor, but he did not flip-flop.  He went from being a moderate republican to a slightly less moderate republican.   He was clear on his change and the reasons for them when he stood relatively firm on embryonic stem cells and gay marriage while governor.  He hasn't moved from those changes since.  Some flip flop.  At most he's a flipper, and aren't we supposed to welcome converts?

Posted by: Travis at May 11, 2009 02:18 PM (mS9mg)

37 Yes, it is waaaay past time for steele to go. He has been an embarrassing fool 98% of the time. The GOP needs to stop trying to copy the other side for cripes sake. What did steele really have going for him except that he's sorta black like our fearful leader?
 Nada....
 Hey this has to be addressed. The ultimate racisim is choosing someone because of the color of their skin...and that's what everyone has been doing in this new enlightened color-blind age...which has been everything but enlightened and color blind.
 And perhaps the next guy the GOP chooses should...oh, I don't know...maybe go aftert the other frickin' side for a change instead of chewing off his own party's feet...
 I'm just sayin'..........

Posted by: christmasghost at May 11, 2009 02:19 PM (aUut1)

38 Romney will be a more attractive candidate in 2012. Out of control government spending is going to lead to depression, at best and a savvy businessman who has good ideas and business acumen like Romney would actually be very appealing to voters, I think.

Posted by: IC at May 11, 2009 02:21 PM (jZNCU)

39 As an Ohioan, I know what Blackwell was (the worst S of S before Jen Brunner). But even he would be an improvement on Steele.

Posted by: Jeffrey Quick at May 11, 2009 02:22 PM (g9neE)

40 After this horrifying shit I would be fucking thrilled with Romney in the White House.

Posted by: Eleven at May 11, 2009 02:23 PM (7DB+a)

41 Steele is another example of why I no longer call myself a republican [after being one my entire life]....what next that whiner Medved at the helm?
Perhaps it would be a good idea to choose someone who is a real conservative for a change and doesn't go around reality checking himself against what obama is doing.

Posted by: christmasghost at May 11, 2009 02:24 PM (aUut1)

42

We need an in-your-face bulldog with skin like iron and breath as hard as kerosine.

Quick, does Helen Thomas have a conservative sibling?

Posted by: Toad at May 11, 2009 02:25 PM (o5vMm)

43 It will be Romney or Palin in 2012.  The party's elites vs. its base.  I know who I'm with.

Posted by: someone at May 11, 2009 02:25 PM (1wXl7)

44 So, the incompetent black dude we got in response to the other side getting their incompetent black dude into power has turned out to be just as incompetent as the incompetent presidential black dude?  Somehow none of this surprises me.

Posted by: Sharkman at May 11, 2009 02:26 PM (69J41)

45

I was willing to overlook Steele's initial screwups, but even after it was abundantly clear that he should chill the fuck out with the interviews he kept at it- badly.  Time to show him the door.

I have to wonder if maybe he doesn't have presidential asperations of his own, and whether he took the RNC chair position only as a way to gain visibility.  He does seem more concerned with his own image than re-building the party.

Or maybe he's just an attention-whoring idiot who doesn't know when to keep his trap shut.  Either way- three strikes and you're out... and this makes at least three.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at May 11, 2009 02:27 PM (rf03a)

46 Sarah Palin/Rick Perry for 2012

Posted by: christmasghost at May 11, 2009 02:27 PM (aUut1)

47 Is it just SOOOOOOO much to ask Republicans?
To stop throwing the party as a whole, and other members of the party with whom you disagree, under the bus to gain sweet sweet MSM lovin'?

We need a 12 step program for the MSM in this party.

Posted by: Michael C Keehn at May 11, 2009 02:27 PM (0q2P7)

48 The Republicans should just get the spider lady from Krull to lead them. Then a gigantic spider would come down and eat her if she failed to do her job.

Posted by: Mr. Pink at May 11, 2009 02:28 PM (NM1Nu)

49 Romney did flip-flop, I mean "evolve" on just about every since he ran for Governor in Mass. He suddenyl became a conservative when he decided to seek the Republican nomination. It would be an insult to thinking conservatives if this guy won the nomination. That goes for Hucksterbee as well.

Posted by: The Oort Cloud at May 11, 2009 02:29 PM (nOQXA)

50 5 2 If Steele goes (resigns or is fired), who would be a good replacement?

How about Dick Cheney?
The old bastard is capable of raising money and telling things like he sees them.

YES.

I also believe that Cheney honestly loves sand cares about our country.


Posted by: shibumi at May 11, 2009 02:31 PM (OKZrE)

51 ...what next that whiner Medved at the helm?
No. NO. Please, anything but that.

Posted by: George Orwell at May 11, 2009 02:32 PM (AZGON)

52 28 I liked Blackwell. But my opinion of him took a hit when he endorsed Steele.   Eh, I don't take much of a negative view of endorsing in these cases.  I mean he could endorse Steele, the guy in second, or release his voters and not take a side.   Not endorsing seems kind of cheap and saying "I like niether of you,"  and was basically Ron Paul's tactic in the election.  So you're left with choosing who you want to go with, and if you hope to score points and maybe gain some influence its not a bad idea to go with the lead dog who definitely could use your votes to win.  Its definitely playing politics which is exactly what this is.

Posted by: buzzion at May 11, 2009 02:33 PM (Lrsi6)

53 People keep mentioning Fred Thompson. Sorry but I was so underwhelmed by his performance during the primary I had to wonder if Fred has the juice for the job. Maybe that cute wife of his takes all his energy. In that case I can understand his lethargy, otherwise he seems ready to tag and bag. 

Posted by: maddogg at May 11, 2009 02:33 PM (OlN4e)

54

Liz Cheney for RNC chair. 

She made Norah O'Donnell practically froth at the mouth a few weeks ago.  Good enough for me!

 

Posted by: Marybeth at May 11, 2009 02:34 PM (ZRBo4)

55 Steel needs to stay away from microphones and just do his job of organizing a successful party.  It apparent he can't be both spokesman and organizer.  If he can't organize, measured perhaps in $$$$ collected -- then he needs to go. 

Posted by: drfredc at May 11, 2009 02:35 PM (ljMiA)

56

Of all the objections to Romney, the flip-flopping is the most bogus.

No, whether it bothers you or not, it was valid. 

Note that it isn't necessary to go from position A to B back to A to be a "flip-flopper".  But when you change positions right around the time you start working on a campaign- yeah, people are going to be suspicious.

However, Steele shouldn't be the one pointing out weaknesses in potential candidates.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at May 11, 2009 02:36 PM (rf03a)

57

We had a chance to appoint Steele in like '06, and we didn't take it. He wasn't hispanderific enough, we needed a latino (kinda...Cuban) to cement our new la mayoria.

So the democrats elect a black guy. Historic moment. And we go immediately after them, and elect our first black chairman. Which is fine.... I guess.. looks transparent. He was in line, though, so it's not all like that, but you know how the looks and 2nd place still loses.

Now you want to fire him??? Before 1 term? No way.

And to replace him... Zo? Ken Blackwell? Are you people goddamn nuts? Another black guy?

Look - I don't mean "another black guy" like "oh no, not another black guy". I wanted Steele in '06. He probably would have sucked back then too so I was wrong.

I would say "I want the best guy for the job" but the truth of the matter is, I want a black guy. I want to exploit his moral authority. He doesn't have to be the best, just good enough and also black. This is politics. I might as well admit it - I see a real benefit from AA here and am not above exploiting it.

But come on. How goddamn preposterously transparent can we be with this? This is just a damn circus. This is just shameful.

We are stuck with this guy until 2010 at least.

In the mean time, god damn we are a sorry, sad pathetic bunch.

And the fact of the matter is, realistically, we missed our chance anyway. We needed more black people, past tense. Now that Obama is in the white house, it's a moot point. You can't score any points there and you won't get any movement for a decade. Might as well go for 'the best qualified' which is probably coincidentally yet another wrinkly old white dude. But the opportunity to draw a fair consideration from the black community by highlighting black republicans and GOP tolerance by putting black people in high positions is gone now, and any attempt will just look like a transparent 'me-too' ploy.

The best thing you can probably do with Steele is blackout. Rule #1 of Michael Steele's chairmanship: We do not talk about Michael Steele.

Posted by: Entropy at May 11, 2009 02:36 PM (m6c4H)

58

Steele lost me when he told GQ that abortionw as a personal issue.

Abortion: It's not murder, it's not business, it's...personal.

Posted by: lurker at May 11, 2009 02:39 PM (AqLUZ)

59 The democrats don't seem to have problems finding a spokesman who will consistently, unapologetically push their talking points at every opportunity. Why is this so hard for republicans? And Steele can't be that guy, then replace him as party spokesman or just ease him out altogether.

Posted by: Mætenloch at May 11, 2009 02:44 PM (uigys)

60 Maddog, Fred! may not have had the juice for the election, but heading the RNC is a different thing altogether.  Fred remains a charming, effective spokesman for conservative values.  My only reservation is whether he can raise money, but I suspect he would be able to.

Posted by: Kensington at May 11, 2009 02:44 PM (qZw/x)

61
Months ago I said Evan Sayet and Alfonzo Rachel should co-chair the RNC.


Posted by: D-ling at May 11, 2009 02:44 PM (Feeti)

62 George Orwell..heh heh heh....OOGEDY BOOGEDY...scared you uh?

 entropy..."And the fact of the matter is, realistically, we missed our chance anyway. We needed more black people, past tense."
 No no NO!
 This is what is wrong with all of this. First of all, what is the percentage of blacks in America? And I mean the actual percentage of the population that can legally vote. Think about it...if we are going to be this creepily racist why not just cut to the chase and go after the Asian vote, hmmm? We need to pick people based on their ability to make the other side look as stupid as they are, after that everything else [money raising etc.] will fall into line.

Posted by: christmasghost at May 11, 2009 02:46 PM (aUut1)

63
#62
???

Posted by: George Orwell at May 11, 2009 02:50 PM (AZGON)

64 Reliving the RNC Chair election isn't useful.  Steele wasn't a runaway choice, but the others were quite flawed.  He had a decent resume as MD Lt. Gov. and gives a good speech. 

Frankly, even though Rudy is far more to the left than I am or even Steele is, he knows who his allies are and doesn't kick them.  He's great on these debate shows, which is exactly where Steele's weakness is.

Posted by: AmishDude at May 11, 2009 02:53 PM (UrBbf)

65 With the ruinous actions of Teh One's administration, and the obvious terror it's striking into the hearts of many Americans...it is THE GOLDEN OPPORTUNITY for the Rep party to pound and pound hard. They could be scoring major points and opening the eyes of many, but alas, they have failed thus far to do so. Steele needs to go. He has disappointed me time and time again at his utter lack of spine. After receiving my umpteenth RNC begging letter, I shot off a response & threw it in the mail, sans check, even though I know it appears nobody there is listening.

Steele out. Blackwood in. Cheney in. Anybody that will speak up & not wilt. We need balls.

Posted by: Twinks at May 11, 2009 02:53 PM (dTt9I)

66

You know what, Steele spoke the truth.  I voted for Mitt Romney, he was my 3rd or 4th choice.  After 2 years, Hugh Hewitt's ad nausem support, and an endless supply of cash, Romney couldn't convince the base that he was more conservative than McCain (the backstabbing, McShamnesty maverick). Now, Romney and McCain are on a listening tour (can you get more sissy-boy than that?) and trying to lecture conservatives about what they need to do to win elections.  My suggestion, do the opposite of whatever Romney and McCain suggest.

The majority of Steele's so-called stumbles were the creation of the drive-by-media and the Republicans knee jerk genuflection to the beltway elite.  Don't y'all ever get tired of letting the democrats pick your leaders?   

Posted by: blackredneck at May 11, 2009 02:55 PM (LNHH9)

67

This is what is wrong with all of this. First of all, what is the percentage of blacks in America? And I mean the actual percentage of the population that can legally vote.

Enough to throw an election, since they vote about 90%/10% and are responsible for making a lot of blue areas blue, especially in an electoral system.

 We need to pick people based on their ability to make the other side look as stupid as they are, after that everything else [money raising etc.] will fall into line.

That's basically what I said. The time for AA pandering has past us. I will admit, I am not above it - I was all for it and still am in theory. It is just not practically achievable anymore. We missed it, so there's no point in continuing to frantically race to reach the airport when the we know the plane's already left anyway.

Think about it...if we are going to be this creepily racist why not just cut to the chase and go after the Asian vote, hmmm?

Nothing about what I've said is creepily racist. I know damn well half of what I'm saying is very unsavory, but I'm just being up front with you. It's not about race it's about political opportunism. And what do we want from party chair, if not someone who will give us political advantage? Through eloquent speeches, or rabble-rousing policy, or whatever. However he does it. But, like I said 'exploit moral authority'. I'm fully aware what it's all about and what I'm saying.

As for people saying we need to fire Steele NOW and, to somehow cover up for that (or even if they're just that naive and NOT covering) hire another black guy... racialist, perhaps. Racist, I don't know. But... preposterously transparent. That won't cover. Even if it isn't motivated by what it looks like, it still looks that way. You can't do that. That's a goddamn bad joke. If I were a democrat, I could not direct this party to self-marginalization any better.

Posted by: Entropy at May 11, 2009 02:57 PM (m6c4H)

68

No, his stumbles are his own and they are real.

And for the record I never meant to suggest that Palin or Giuliani or Fred should be RNC chairman... I was simply saying that they have cojones.

Posted by: Eleven at May 11, 2009 02:58 PM (7DB+a)

69 #68 was in response to #66

Posted by: Eleven at May 11, 2009 02:59 PM (7DB+a)

70 Ugh.  I like Steele, but my god.  He needs to enact a "STFU" policy on himself.  He is already a joke with the other side and is there really anyone left who takes him seriously?  And why is he doing so many interviews?  Did Howard Dean do this?  Does leading the RNC really give you a platform to do this?  Shouldn't he be 'seen and not heard' as in see his results in the candidates he backs and fundraising and so forth?  Whatever.

Posted by: yambles at May 11, 2009 03:00 PM (PLAPA)

71
The basic problem with Steele is that his style way too new agey

"yes-I understand-what-you're-saying-and I-might-even-agree-with-you-within these-certain-narrow-confines-but-really-if-you-just-look at-things-this-way-I believe-you-can-see-that-blah-blah-blah"

which is a soft kind of a politician's way of doing things, if you have hours for discussion.

But that's is not today's world, we need someone who can instantly yet calmly and authoratively refute any Dim assumptions within questions asked or statements made by the MSM or Dim flaks AND DO IT WITHIN ABOUT 10 SECONDS before going on with conservative talking points.

Also, everything out of his/her mouth about fellow Republicans must be positive and about Dims negative.

So, yeah, Cheney would be awesome. I believe Palin could do it but she needs to prove her mettle in the Gov. job for awhile longer. Teh Fred maybe. I like the idea of Lynn Cheney.

Anybody chosen needs to be a happy attack dog and that's hard to do, but BO gives us plenty of ammunition if we have someone who will gladly use it.


Posted by: rinseandspit at May 11, 2009 03:01 PM (ao5cQ)

72

Does leading the RNC really give you a platform to do this?  Shouldn't he be 'seen and not heard' as in see his results in the candidates he backs and fundraising and so forth? 

No, chairs are suppose to do this. Dean made the rounds on MSNBC. He had to retreat (and did) because he's a nutjob and says nutty things.

Ken Mehlman was on Fox alot. Back when I use to watch Fox.

Posted by: Entropy at May 11, 2009 03:03 PM (m6c4H)

73 Michael Steele is the Black Jonah Goldberg. 

Posted by: polynikes at May 11, 2009 03:04 PM (m2CN7)

74
Michael Steele is the Black Jonah Goldberg.


Your epigrams need work, dear boy.

Posted by: Oscar Wilde at May 11, 2009 03:07 PM (ao5cQ)

75

I too have defended Steele, and I like the guy, but I too am persuaded that we'd be better off with someone else. He's not quite up to the job.

The question is who is?

Posted by: exceller at May 11, 2009 03:08 PM (jx2Td)

76 #63....what next that whiner Medved at the helm?
No. NO. Please, anything but that.

Posted by: christmasghost at May 11, 2009 03:10 PM (aUut1)

77

73 Michael Steele is the Black Jonah Goldberg. 

WTF?? 

Posted by: Capt. Numbstick at May 11, 2009 03:13 PM (voIlD)

78 No time to read all the posts so far - has anyone quoted Ronny R. yet? "Thou shall speak no evil of a fellow republican", or something like that.

Posted by: searching for Deety at May 11, 2009 03:14 PM (c459z)

79 entropy @67.......

"Nothing about what I've said is creepily racist. I know damn well half of what I'm saying is very unsavory, but I'm just being up front with you."
 You  misunderstand me after I misunderstood you [do be do be dooo...sounds like a bad jingle doesn't it?]......we are completely on the same page. I don't think anything you said was racist in the least. More like realistic.
 
"Even if it isn't motivated by what it looks like, it still looks that way. You can't do that. That's a goddamn bad joke. If I were a democrat, I could not direct this party to self-marginalization any better."
 Wow...couldn't be anymore true....sadly.

Posted by: christmasghost at May 11, 2009 03:16 PM (aUut1)

80 I second the motion and nominate Liz Cheney.
Dick Cheney, Liz Cheney, and John Bolton. The only three that I can think of that don't start back-peddling as soon as the cameras start rolling.
Michael Steele doesn't seem to get that it is not about him, it is about us. And the last thing that we need right now is an amiable get-alonger.

Posted by: elliot m at May 11, 2009 03:16 PM (13Ugm)

81 I agree with Ace, Steele needs to go now.

For his replacement of RNC Chair:

Needed skillset for this position:
Knowledge of running political campaigns
(polling, each states rules differ,)
Executive experience
Likability/great communicator/gravitas
Not a RINO
Someone who would hire Dick Morris as consultant

My choice:

Gov. Hayley Barbour

Posted by: Assman at May 11, 2009 03:17 PM (t5YAE)

82 Yea, Hayley Barbour is a good choice too.

Posted by: elliot m at May 11, 2009 03:21 PM (13Ugm)

83

Steele and Goldberg both have a habit of pointing out the so called Republicans failures in an attempt to either be fair and balanced or the false hope of getting credibility for whatever they have to say.   Goldberg does this to some extent in 90% of his articles. I've pointed out before that Goldberg always has a 'but they have a point' portion of his articles. Goldberg has had no problem bashing an Ann Coulter and other Republicans when I thought it was entirely unnecessary.

Both are very smart and have contributed a lot of intellectual theories to the conservative cause but I find them similar in trying too hard to be found credible by the other side. 

 

Posted by: polynikes at May 11, 2009 03:22 PM (m2CN7)

84 elliot@80....John Bolton. God that's a great idea....he's funny, and can be quite acidic when the need arises.
And he seems to be allergic to BS.

Posted by: christmasghost at May 11, 2009 03:24 PM (aUut1)

85 Yeah Bolton would be great.  He doesn't back down and he calls people on their bullshit.

Posted by: Eleven at May 11, 2009 03:27 PM (7DB+a)

86 I nominate the "Stache", it appears the "Cougar" has other evil plans.

Posted by: MrsPaulsFishSticks at May 11, 2009 03:29 PM (iYbLN)

87 I have a totally off topic question. Anyone know where I can find what the wattage is (and charge time) on hybrid cars?

Posted by: Entropy at May 11, 2009 03:30 PM (m6c4H)

88

Haley Barbour ran the party during the great insurrection of 94.  If he's not up for the job, how about Howard Dean?  He did a pretty fair job making the nutcases look mainstream.  Not saying that we're nutcases....

Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at May 11, 2009 03:31 PM (XoYY8)

89 Ken Blackwell.

Posted by: paranoid polly at May 11, 2009 03:31 PM (YLNjm)

90 68 No, his stumbles are his own and they are real.

True, Steele said some stupid crap early on.  But, he's recovered and has been doing some good for the RNC.  The remarks that Cost considers a bridge too far are pretty tame.  More importantly, they are TRUE!  After two years and gobbs of money, the base rejected Romney.  Even that lunatic Ron Paul had more charisma than Romney.  So anyone hanging their hat on Romney inspiring the base in 2012 is completely deluded. 

You can't rebuild the party if you're not willing to brutally and honestly assess your candidates.  If Cost can't handle the truth, that's his problem.  I like the ideas that Steele ran on and is currently implementing.  I'm tired of all these stupid ultimatums being imposed on Steele.  If Steele doesn't make X dollars, he's got to go.  If X doesn't win, then Steele has to go.  Plus, there's the irony of Republicans trashing Steele for supposed crime of trashing Republicans. 

Posted by: blackredneck at May 11, 2009 03:35 PM (LNHH9)

91 The bloom is off the rose for Steele. Its just not working. And I was rootin for the guy.

Posted by: Iblis at May 11, 2009 03:37 PM (9221z)

92

But, he's recovered and has been doing some good for the RNC. 

Name one thing.  Just one.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at May 11, 2009 03:39 PM (B+qrE)

93

Romney did flip-flop, I mean "evolve" on just about every since he ran for Governor in Mass. He suddenyl became a conservative when he decided to seek the Republican nomination.

And you think that's a bad thing? It strikes me as preferable to those other candidates who continued to stick their thumb in conservative eyes even while asking for our support.

I'll take the unprincipled flip-flopper over the adamant liberal any day. At least with the former I have some chance of being listened to.

 

Posted by: flenser at May 11, 2009 03:46 PM (aIKkD)

94

"He seems to believe that he is so magnificently charming and persuasive that he can gain voters by being overly candid and overly "interesting" as a speaker. And, if he had one quarter of the charisma he seems to believe he's been blessed with, he might be right."

I got confused here - were we talking about Michael Steele or Meghan McCain?   Same thing, either way.

Posted by: Anniee451 at May 11, 2009 03:46 PM (tvKK4)

95

I like the ideas that Steele ran on and is currently implementing.  

You like his idea of telling the world that the GOP is a bunch of bigoted Nazis?

 

Plus, there's the irony of Republicans trashing Steele for supposed crime of trashing Republicans. 

I'm going to assume that this thought made more sense in your head than the way it came out.

Posted by: flenser at May 11, 2009 03:49 PM (aIKkD)

96

Entropy:  Now you want to fire him??? Before 1 term? No way. And to replace him... Zo? Ken Blackwell? Are you people goddamn nuts? Another black guy?

Entropy, you made some very valid points.  I agree that Steele has said some stupid stuff in the past.  I don't think Steele sucks and he will end up being a net gain for the RNC.  But, I agree wholeheartedly with the point you made above.  Sometimes, it seems like Republicans understand nothing about PR and winning elections.

The best thing you can probably do with Steele is blackout. Rule #1 of Michael Steele's chairmanship: We do not talk about Michael Steele.

I find this hysterically funny.  I support Rule #1.  I suggest Cost and others like him support it, too.   I would also suggest Rule #2- If you want to win elections, devote the majority of your time trashing your opponents, not your allies.  It certainly worked for the dems.

Posted by: blackredneck at May 11, 2009 03:56 PM (LNHH9)

97

But, he's recovered and has been doing some good for the RNC. 

Name one thing.  Just one.

He outraised the DNC.  A large portion of his job is to raise money and he did it.

Posted by: blackredneck at May 11, 2009 04:00 PM (LNHH9)

98

The GOP is dead anyway - they should at least appoint someone with high entertainment value for RNC chairman: Alan Keyes.  At least his what-the-fuckery will generate some good belly laughs.  If he's unavailable/unwilling, then Ron Paul.  Again, the idiocy level won't drop any, but at least he'll be amusing in his wanton incompetence.

Or maybe go the other way: give one of the "you guys just don't get it" types a chance.  Heck, two for one - Rod Dreher and David Frum as co-chairs.

The game's already over - might as well put the spastic kids, who've never played all year, in for some garbage time.  (Normally, the joke would also include the phrase "sat quietly on the bench," but well, you know...)

Posted by: Fa Cube Itches at May 11, 2009 04:01 PM (y4UcI)

99

maybe Steele just needs proper marching orders.

1. Don't concede to the interviewer any point that puts R's in a bad light . Disagree vigorously and loudly if necessary. point out the opposition's current scandals until you're blue in the face. this will encourage the faithful.

2. Spend more time raising money and grassroots organizing. Stay the fuck off  television, radio, twitter or 2 cans connected with string. Hire a skilled spokesman.

3. Be the voice of reason w/in the party. bring all factions together for a meet ala Don Corleone and establish a sound long term plan.

i can't think of any more right now.

Posted by: mark c at May 11, 2009 04:02 PM (SBIko)

100 Attacking Steele is dumb. You see anybody on the left attacking Obama? Obama is destroying the country while we argue about Steele. I am sure moonbats that read this thread will rejoice. Steele is not our enemy, and there is no clear and easy formula that anybody can just bring to the position. Steele is working hard with the hand he has been dealt, I say give him a break.

Posted by: jason at May 11, 2009 04:03 PM (h1iGP)

101 i have the same feeling about Michael Steele as i have about the abdominal distension and rectal bleeding caused by my doctor-prescribed xtreme high-fiber diet.

Posted by: Harry Waxman at May 11, 2009 04:03 PM (IRh55)

102

the base has come to loath Steele, which is exactly why he will be allowed to hang around and make sure none of us get excited about the next election cycle.

GOP = stuck on stupid (and we aren't leaving either say McCain, Hatch, Snowe, Collins, Cantor, Crist and Kirk)

Posted by: shoey at May 11, 2009 04:08 PM (IRh55)

103 Not for nothing jason, but while Obama is destroying the country the chairman of the RN-freaking-C is calling Mitt Romney a flip-flopper and implying that the base of the GOP are religious bigots.

Maybe if Steele wasn't regularly inserting his over-chewed feet in his mouth we wouldn't be having this argument, eh?

Posted by: DocJ at May 11, 2009 04:11 PM (g8ibn)

104

my vote for RNC Chair,

Tom Tancredo

 

and some will say "but he's an illegal immigration bigot, hate-monger, racist"

to which i respond "and your point is?"

 

Posted by: shoey at May 11, 2009 04:15 PM (IRh55)

105 okay, almost time to go home,,,I nominate,,wait for it,,,,MONTY!!!!

Posted by: teej at May 11, 2009 04:25 PM (c459z)

106

If you want to win elections, devote the majority of your time trashing your opponents, not your allies.  It certainly worked for the dems.

What a wonderful fucking idea. Why don't you suggest it to that retard Steele? Because his instinct is to attack his "allies" at every possible chance. Have you been paying any attention at all to what's being discussed here? Reading the linked article might be a good start.

Posted by: flenser at May 11, 2009 04:31 PM (aIKkD)

107 Jeri Thompson.

Posted by: baldilocks at May 11, 2009 04:32 PM (b4sAO)

108 "Maybe if Steele wasn't regularly inserting his over-chewed feet in his mouth we wouldn't be having this argument, eh?"

Yeah, sure, let's nitpick Steele to death while Obama socializes healthcare, nationalizes the auto industry, nominates people who think the "Constitution is flexible" to the Supreme Court, guts our intelligence services and military, opens the borders,  puts Acorn in charge of census, etc.

Sounds like a great plan.

Posted by: jason at May 11, 2009 04:32 PM (h1iGP)

109

Attacking Steele is dumb. You see anybody on the left attacking Obama?

If Obama was in the habit of attacking the left, you bet your ass they'd be attacking him back.

Posted by: flenser at May 11, 2009 04:33 PM (aIKkD)

110 Mr. Steele, is handsome, charismatic, and well-spoken.

Unfortunately, he speaks the wrong things.

He does not have the mindset of the core conservative constituency, and his leadership will enable the democrats to retain power.

Posted by: Dane Skold at May 11, 2009 04:36 PM (JPKWk)

111

Yeah, sure, let's nitpick Steele to death

Listen, you stupid little shit, your precious Steele is spending all his time taking about the GOP in exactly the same fashion as some moonbat.

Can you come to grips with that at all? We are not "nitpicking" the stupid fuck. We are demanding that he stop talking like he's head of the DNC.

Posted by: flenser at May 11, 2009 04:37 PM (aIKkD)

112 "If you want to win elections, devote the majority of your time trashing your opponents, not your allies.  It certainly worked for the dems."

Nah, that would make to much sense. Let's instead trash a bright, articulate, accomplished black Republican because he has not passed some narrow litmus test of conservative purity that about 10% of the population believes in, and because he believes that in order to gain power and enact the ideas conservatives are interested in first you have to garner enough diverse groups and interests to win an election. Let's not offer any ideas to or try to attract any of the 70% of the population that currently are Dems or Independents and just say screw all of you. Let's give the next chairman a questionnaire with a 100 questions and if doesn't score 100% on the purity test let's fire him too!!

Posted by: jason at May 11, 2009 04:46 PM (h1iGP)

113 "Listen, you stupid little shit, your precious Steele is spending all his time taking about the GOP in exactly the same fashion as some moonbat."

No, you are the moron who is doing the job for the Democrats. They love you. Why don't you post how much you hate Steele over at Daily Kos. They will give you a badge or something you can show your kindergarten buddies.

Posted by: jason at May 11, 2009 04:49 PM (h1iGP)

114

Anyone with half a brain could figure out that his argument and logic was full of  holes. The religious element of the Republican base pretty much voted for a different liberal, the one from Arkansas. The real conservative base after Fred dropped out did vote for Romeny because he was the lesser of the evils left that had a remote chance of winning. There may have been a few bigoted against him because he was a Mormon but don’t think it was a significant amount.

 

Steele must go because it is obvious he is advocating the SAME strategy that has been a proven loser time after time. They should be busy redoing primary rules so that someone like McLame can NOT win with 30% of the vote, and that being liberals crossing over.

Posted by: Vic at May 11, 2009 04:51 PM (f6os6)

115

Nah, that would make to much sense. Let's instead trash a bright, articulate, accomplished black Republican because he has not passed some narrow litmus test of conservative purity that about 10% of the population believes in, and because he believes that in order to gain power and enact the ideas conservatives are interested in first you have to garner enough diverse groups and interests to win an election. Let's not offer any ideas to or try to attract any of the 70% of the population that currently are Dems or Independents and just say screw all of you. Let's give the next chairman a questionnaire with a 100 questions and if doesn't score 100% on the purity test let's fire him too!!

 OK, you're a fucking moron. And a troll. And I say that as someone who marginally agrees with you.

Stop helping. You and Mr. Steele go sit in the corner and STFU.

Posted by: Entropy at May 11, 2009 04:56 PM (cok/k)

116 Hey Entropy
I always post here with the same name it's easy to verify I am not a troll. So go take a flying leap off a cliff.
My point is that Obama is the enemy here not Steele. We should be influencing Steele's strategy and performance, not trying to destroy him. If you can't deal with the fact someone might think he is the wrong target so be it.

Posted by: jason at May 11, 2009 05:04 PM (h1iGP)

117 polynikes@83....I'll never forgive that little shit goldberg for his sanctimonious and highly inaccurate bullshit op-ed entitled "Farmers...the welfare kings" or some other crap like that.
 I would love to see that pansy get his manicured fingers dirty while saying that......
 and then I would run him over with a tractor.He would make great compost...
 Yeah...this new "obamahumor" really works....

Posted by: christmasghost at May 11, 2009 05:06 PM (aUut1)

118 Jason Jason Jason....we are conservatives not brain dead libs. We actually can hate two people at once and still walk and chew gum. Where did you ever get the idea that just because someone has an "R" after their name we must always agree with them? I mean mccain has one and he's a total douche.....right?
 We aren't the head the the RNC...that's Steele's job [for now] and sweets he isn't doing it.

Posted by: christmasghost at May 11, 2009 05:10 PM (aUut1)

119 jason  --  it would be nice if Steele started treating Obama like the enemy, don't you think?

Posted by: Eleven at May 11, 2009 05:11 PM (b6HHO)

120 Jason  --  it would be nice if Steele started treating Obama like the enemy, don't you think?

I agree. But why don't you google it and find out what Steele has said about Obama on various issues...Supreme Court, card check, appointments, etc.  You might be surprised.

Here is what he said about SCOTUS:

" President Obama campaigned as a moderate yet he and Congressional Democrats are pushing our nation further and faster to the left than voters bargained for".
The next Supreme Court justice holds a lifetime appointment, and the President you take his time and search for a nominee whose legal views are consistent with and and reflective of mainstream America. He should not use this as an opportunity to impose his liberal legacy on America or to give political payback to the far left of his party by nominating someone who makes judicial decisions through an ideological rather than legal lens."



Posted by: jason at May 11, 2009 05:23 PM (h1iGP)

121 Fair enough.

Posted by: Eleven at May 11, 2009 05:28 PM (b6HHO)

122 "Where did you ever get the idea that just because someone has an "R" after their name we must always agree with them?"

I disagree with plenty of what Steele has said.  Yet I doubt I am going to agree with 100% of what any party chairman says or does. There is no knight in shining armor to lead us to us magically to victory. My point is that the guy was given the job only a few months ago and is working hard and campaigning to destroy him is only going to help Obama. I think the issues before us are too important to devote our meager resources to fighting among ourselves, considering Obama has huge majorities in the Senate and House and owns the MSM.

Posted by: jason at May 11, 2009 05:33 PM (h1iGP)

123

but here's the problem with guys like Steele, they may talk a good conservative line when they are talking to conservatives, but then they get into office and act just like libs/progs.

i.e. McCain

i.e. Huckabee

i.e. Specter

i.e. Crist

 

with friends like these, who needs enemies?

Posted by: shoey at May 11, 2009 05:36 PM (RxUMK)

124

It's time for Steele to GTFO.

I like the Barbour and Cheney (both Cheneys) suggestions and I'm still a fan of Teh Fred. He is fully capable of delivering a stern message with a smile on his face...and a cigar in his hand.

Palin has a future, but RNC chair isn't it.

Hey! What's the name of that little kid who spoke at the convention?!

Posted by: jmflynny at May 11, 2009 05:40 PM (HPN7d)

125 Hey. What about Jeb?

Posted by: jmflynny at May 11, 2009 05:41 PM (HPN7d)

126 jason...."My point is that the guy was given the job only a few months ago and is working hard and campaigning to destroy him is only going to help Obama. I think the issues before us are too important to devote our meager resources to fighting among ourselves, considering Obama has huge majorities in the Senate and House and owns the MSM."

 And this is exactly how we ended up with mccain.
 Most times you know within five minutes if someone is up to the job...and we have been losing because we refuse to listen to our intuition. If we listened we would have kicked Steele in the teeth [and to the curb] about a week after he was put in place.
 This is what we need to do now. Act like we do in business and throw out the ones that don't work out.

Posted by: christmasghost at May 11, 2009 05:42 PM (aUut1)

127 Seriously, who really gives a sheet? We are still bending over backwards for a small percentage of the population who will not only never get on board with what America is (used to be?) all about - the individual - but who also hates those who are doing the bending over, AND appears to be too stupid to figure out, after decades, that the party they will vote for forever, is the same party that opposed ending slavery, and opposed the Civil Rights movement! I know, I know, that's racist (yawns)

I wonder how our overlords will treat Whites when Whites are in the minority? (also racist, but coming real soon...) Maybe one day they'll vote for a white guy, just to soothe our feelings, and prove that they are not racist? (laughs quietly)

If they are hell-bent on picking a Black guy for anything, at the very least pick a solid conservative out of the 5% or so who actually votes conservative, and loves America.

Posted by: JS at May 11, 2009 05:42 PM (s3viJ)

128

polynikes@83....I'll never forgive that little shit goldberg for his sanctimonious and highly inaccurate bullshit op-ed entitled "Farmers...the welfare kings" or some other crap like that.

Farmers are welfare queens.

Especially the big business agriculture firms which is... 99% of our food production. They make a billion dollars a year and get 200 million in government aid after that, and that's cash money, not calculating the worth of all the regulations in their favor, designed to do things like keep food prices artificially high.

Posted by: Entropy at May 11, 2009 05:43 PM (cok/k)

129 Not to mention all the farmers getting $500,000 to NOT grow crops in their manhattan apartment buildings.

Posted by: Entropy at May 11, 2009 05:46 PM (cok/k)

130

Hey. What about Jeb?

 

The Bush name is shit and besides that, he is out there on this Town Hall kick trashing conservatives as well. He is a RINO and not what we need.

Posted by: Vic at May 11, 2009 05:47 PM (f6os6)

131

one last thing, i'm sure Sun Tsu had something to say about listening to the advise of your enemy and i'll bet he says "don't"

so, when James Carville advises us to take the "Big Tent" strategy, maybe, just maybe we should do the opposite?

Posted by: shoey at May 11, 2009 05:47 PM (RxUMK)

132 The RNC screwed itself when they hired this guy.

I mean, how do you fire an incompetent black man without the dems and the media screaming RACIST!

We need to fire the entire RNC leadership.  All of them.  They are a bunch of idiot fucktwaddles that couldn't find their ass with both hands.

Of course, that won't happen, so brace for 40+ years of hopeychange.

Crap.

Posted by: HoundOfDoom at May 11, 2009 05:57 PM (MUloE)

133 Entropy......actually, the big corporate farms that people like obama love BTW, aren't farmers or ranchers. They are parasites.
And goldberg, who wouldn't know an actual farmer or rancher if one jumped up and bit him in his ass, painted all farmers as welfare kings.and that is Simply. Not. True.
Both my husband and I come from ranching families and were ranchers for twenty five years...and there is no harder job. Trust me. And no one was offering to give us any handouts. Instead we were bombarded constantly with "fees"....also known as taxes. It is heartbreaking work, you are at the mercy of the weather and then along comes the government...and they are not there to help.
 Check out some of the new regulations that farmers and ranchers will be burdened with next and then ask yourself......who is going to feed me?

Posted by: christmasghost at May 11, 2009 05:58 PM (aUut1)

134

Doesn't matter what you say for or against Steele. He's just not cutting it in my book. Right now damned few other R's are either. No cash for the RNC from me until they get someone else who will really be ready to go after the Dems like a junkyard dog.

I remember when I cut the Young Republicans off. They had some college kid call me and ask for bucks. I said they weren't going to get any until they started promoting policies that demanded an end to illegal immigration and deportation of those illegals already in the U.S. He laughed and told me that such policies were impossible and would never happen. I told him he better hope they WERE possible, and damned soon, because he'd be seeing no more of my money until that time. He hung up on me. I laughed; I'd pissed off a RINO and saved some bucks. A win-win all around!

Here's my message to the Republicans: one foot is already out the door because I'm not even sure I think the system in the U.S. can work anymore. I've got cash and a job overseas already lined up because I KNOW I don't trust the lefty lib bastards in office now one damned bit and I'm extremely uncertain about you R's. The country's hanging in the balance. If you R's start showing some balls and make yourselves worth supporting, I'll support you. If you won't do that, it's every man for himself because productive people like me will then know for certain there is no hope for us in the political system.

 

 

 

 

Posted by: mac at May 11, 2009 06:01 PM (x+Mfx)

135 I actually Tweeted late last week that MS was good sub'ing for Bill Bennett, and he was, which surprised me, because I was previously finding him troubling.  Back to troubling.  I think he should go.

Posted by: flooflyparisparamus at May 11, 2009 06:02 PM (gP59u)

136 Entropy, read Blackwell's plan (my link above) before you get on the whole transparent token thing.  I couldn't care less about RNC chair as spokesman -- it's all elite wanking at best.  But he actually has an idea about party organization.

Posted by: someone at May 11, 2009 06:06 PM (1wXl7)

137

Romney - Petreus '12

You can't be stupid and make a billion dollars.  I think Romney at least understands how economics works.  And thanks to the skittle-sh*&ing unicorn, we're going to need all the help we can get by '12.

Let me throw out some red meat for the crowd ... I think Palin is a johnny-come-lately (for the bridge before she was against the bridge) opportunist whom people project their greatest hopes on to. Sort of like Obama.  We need to walk away from that for at least 20 years (how long did it take everybody to forget Biden's plagarism of Kinnock, that British guy's speeches?)

Posted by: love me some romney at May 11, 2009 06:08 PM (IDFhb)

138

Steele's dust-up with Rush bothered me, but he's moved past it. This doesn't bother me, and as another commenter pointed out above, Steele has out-raised the DNC.

There are some other choices I would support, but if Steele is forced out and replaced with an establishment jerk who tries to squash Palin, the GOP will be much worse off.

Posted by: Mr. Wednesday Night at May 11, 2009 06:11 PM (7dXKM)

139 137....the problem with Romney is a real one. He has all the charisma of a dung beetle. An arrogant, effete dung beetle.And sheesh....does he ever shut up? His speeches make me think he's channeling Michener
 Plus...face it...he looks too much like Count Dracula's gayer cousin........you could lube your truck with one swipe of his hair.

Posted by: christmasghost at May 11, 2009 06:22 PM (aUut1)

140 i agree

Posted by: YRM at May 11, 2009 06:28 PM (004wR)

141 How about Dennis Miller? The dude is hysterical, could raise scads of money and really does know how to dodge excrement like this.

If not Dennis then I beg those in power not to elect some old, white dude. A young any race dude or dudette would be great. Nothing against older peoples, but we need some juice and jazz. The foe we are up against is going to take much time, much energy and much fight.

Posted by: freeus at May 11, 2009 06:32 PM (zxRJP)

142

#137

i'm ok with Romney, but he's not my first choice for POTUS, i do think he would make one of the best Sec. of Tres. we could ever have, the only thing i would mention about him is the whole MLK and his dad thing, elite-ish and kinda strange.

i don't have any idea yet who i would like to see run for POTUS, but not one of the ppl the GOP leadership would like is even worth considering for me, Reagan was a fiscal, social and defense conservative, that's what a conservative is, if you are liberal or progressive on any of the three you aren't really a conservative, all the GOP has to do to get my support is support openly and enthusiastically canidates who are conservatives, Palin comes close enough to that for me, i wish someone who had Levin/Coulter's intelligence and wit combined with Palin's charisma, and willingness to fight the power would come along, but if they did they would publicly flayed alive by the press and none of us would lift a finger to stop it, so why should they?

(picked a helluva day to stop taking prozac)

 

Posted by: shoey at May 11, 2009 06:36 PM (RxUMK)

143 freeus.....Dennis Miller lost me when he became O'reilly's lap dog.
 There are just some things you can't do...and that's one of them.
 Gawd...he used to be so funny too and now he's reduced to saying things like "I agree with you billy boy".....which I'm pretty sure will give you brain cancer if you listen to it.
Or a craving for loofahs..........
 Next thing you know he'll start using white ebonics like O'Douchbag too.
"For da folks.." my ass....

Posted by: christmasghost at May 11, 2009 06:44 PM (aUut1)

144 Steele is still bringing in the bucks, and what he said about Romney was the truth.

Leave him alone; he's doing his job.

Posted by: Attila Girl at May 11, 2009 07:50 PM (TpmQk)

145 Steele isn't bringing in the bucks, fear of Obama is beginning to set in even amoung certain types of powerful ppl, they are beginning to put their money behind someone or something that isn't Obama.

Posted by: shoey at May 11, 2009 08:27 PM (RxUMK)

146 "they are beginning to put their money behind someone or something that isn't Obama."

After they gave this glorified community agitator hundreds of millions? If we weren't going down the tubes with them I would say screw them.

Posted by: jason at May 11, 2009 08:30 PM (h1iGP)

147 in fact, there would be more money if Steele weren't there.

Posted by: shoey at May 11, 2009 08:30 PM (RxUMK)

148

Entropy......actually, the big corporate farms that people like obama love BTW, aren't farmers or ranchers. They are parasites.

They produce 95% of our food.

The family farm is a goddamn anachronism, a bunch of buggy-whip makers farming for shits and giggles to provide Grandma with fresh tomatoes at the local farmers market.

How the hell can our primary food providers be parasites?

Every farmer I knew farmed on the side, for a little extra cash. If farming is your primary occupation and you don't own 40 billion acres you suck.

Check out some of the new regulations that farmers and ranchers will be burdened with next and then ask yourself......who is going to feed me?

A bigass conglomerate with 6000 heads of cattle. Sure, the guys raising the cattle or planting the crops are "farmers" or "ranchers" but the thing is these guys are just employees. They don't get farm subsidies and that's not what anyone's talking about. The company does.

As for all the regulations... yes, up the asshole. Ridiculous. Utterly micromanaged and often screwed.

But that's what you get when your in bed with government. Your whole life they'll pay you to not grow food, but then when you want to retire they won't let you repurpose your farmland and develop condos on it. Because we apparently have too much food and not enough farmland.

As far as subsidies go, your right. If you own a small family farm or a small ranch, you don't get big subsidies or much help. It all goes to the big companies (that don't need it) and is justified as giving it to the little guys (who don't get it) to protect them from the big companies (who get all of it).

But honestly, what the hell are you doing? Buggy whips and horseshoes. It isn't 1930 anymore. If you've got a family farm today, that's a lifestyle choice and it's your business but you do it for your own kicks. If I want to be a blacksmith, I can. But the government doesn't have to enable that just because my job is obsolete and no one else will.

Posted by: Entropy at May 11, 2009 08:39 PM (cok/k)

149 Entropy.....there is nothing obsolete about family farms and ranches....yet anyway...although the government would like there to be.
 that's what is so damn infuriating about the idiots in the cities that think they are green and eco minded. they aren't. they are supporting the government that is trying,quite actively, to kill the family ranch or farm.
 we ranched a little under a thousand acres....cattle and sheep.it's hard work and worth it.
 "But honestly, what the hell are you doing? Buggy whips and horseshoes. It isn't 1930 anymore. If you've got a family farm today, that's a lifestyle choice.."
 
what? eating went out of style in 1930 and no one told me?
 this is the bullshit government narrative that people who don't know better are told and put forth. i live in a whole community of people that ,i guess by your standards, are just "playing" when they milk 200 hundred cows a day 7 days a week.
 i'm sure they'll feel much less tired when i tell them that they are just playing....
 you must live in a city, as blacksmiths still make a good living and they are free. no cubicles for them.......

Posted by: christmasghost at May 11, 2009 08:56 PM (aUut1)

150 Steele is a lying idiot, and I am ashamed to think that he would do well in this position.

Mr. Steele, it wasn't Mitt's flip on abortion; it was that we didn't buy that he was flipping on abortion.  Nor was it his Mormonism; that was a strawman set up by the left-leaning shills in the GOP and in the media.

Mitt was only seen as a SLIGHTLY better alternative to McCain and Schmuckabee (frankly, I think a dead gopher would have been a better candidate than all three of these dweebs combined.)  And it was the joint attack of McCain and Schmuckabee against Mitt that squeezed Mitt out, just as they did to Fred Thompson (granted, Fred already had some problems; between getting into the race months after everyone else, then his campaign team goofing around...)

One would expect an RNC chairman to recognize such things, and to have the sense to either tell the truth, or just shut the hell up.  Time to pack your bags, Mikey.

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We need a back alley knife fighter, someone who hates the Dems with the white-hot intensity of the sun.

We need Tom "The Hammer" Delay.

Posted by: Larsen E. Whipsnade at May 11, 2009 09:32 PM (AMxD3)

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Whipsnade,

if you change "Dems" to "Statist/Progressive politicans of both parties" i'm with ya.

Posted by: shoey at May 11, 2009 10:13 PM (RxUMK)

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Posted by: shoey at May 11, 2009 10:19 PM (RxUMK)

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151 -- Oooh, good one.  I forgot about  him.

Ann Coulter would be good but she makes too much $$ writing books.  She was a big fan of Blackwell, BTW.

137 - I think Palin is a johnny-come-lately (for the bridge before she was against the bridge) opportunist whom people project their greatest hopes on to. Sort of like Obama.  We need to walk away from that for at least 20 years.

love me some romney, you're going to be shocked when you see the numbers SarahPac releases in July.  Everyone I know who gets those idiotic RNC fundraiser letters writes, "I only give to SarahPac" on them and mails them in.  Frankly, I don't know if an RNC chair is all that relevant considering the dissention in the ranks, the elites vs the grassroots. 

Look for Palin to start visiting the lower 48 in June.  They have to block off the streets when she shows up.  Frankly, I don't see your boy Mittens causing that kind of excitement.  Sarah's going to be in charge of the purse strings anyway, and she'll decide who's conservative enough and then go campaign for them.  You do remember how Mitt and McCain got about 200 people for Chambliss's campaign rallies last December, don't you?  Wow.  Sarah got a few thousand and he won by 14 points when it was supposed to be a squeaker.

 

 

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155 George Orwell, WTF are you talking about? If it looked the same from every viewpoint, it would be isotropic. This thread is now hurtful to ones intelligence, thanks.

On Michael Steele, he needs to go.

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If Romney wants to get the nom, he better play straight. It's interesting that Mike Duncan screwed up so many elections, John Cornyn screws so many things and yet nobody goes after them but Steele is being hounded out.

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Yeah, so umm he "fights" for what he doesn't believe in?
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Romney's strikes have been against Palin, and when he credited Obama for taking control over private businesses... I.e., GM "At least obama is showing backbone"

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