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| NYT Buries Story About Enhanced Interrogations' EffectivenessI asked Richard Stevenson, who is the Times' deputy Washington bureau chief, what was going on. He told me Baker got the Blair information late in the day Tuesday, and there just wasn't room for it in the paper. "We already had three stories on this subject," Stevenson explained, "and it was late, there was no more space to do this separately…We just didn't have the space to put it in the print newspaper." ... One reason Baker's story has attracted so much attention is that it provided some balance to a number of interrogation stories we have seen in the Times, the Washington Post, and elsewhere. There is a legitimate argument to be made by the defenders of the Bush administration's interrogation program, and to see it echoed by Barack Obama's national intelligence director is striking. My guess is that, even given the attention Baker's story has gotten on the Web, it would have had even more impact were it the paper, as well. Stevenson denied that there was any bias in the Times' decision not to run the story in the paper edition. "If your implication was there was some sort of ideological or value judgment made about the subject matter, that's preposterous," he told me. "It was 8:30 at night, we had a lot of stories going, a limited amount of space, and the ability to get that news into a different story." Stevenson stressed that the Times, after all, broke the news that all those blogs are talking about. "We no longer think of the print paper as the sole definition of the New York Times," he said. "We can get a big pop on a story by putting it on the Web, faster, more completely, and with more impact."Captain Ed notes the Times did report it online, but is baffled at how such a big story failed to bump additional stories or even get the printing of the paper delayed in order to be included. The Times is lying, of course. This is so transparently obvious I will not belabor it. They are lying, as they frequently lie. Lies are their stock in trade and have been for some time. My teeth grind every time I hear the Times or MSM claim that some people -- conservatives -- need to stop reading partisan papers and read "objective" papers like the Times (giggle). Both for real truth, and "nuance" to counter the agitprop they receive from partisan papers. But for the Times and MSM, "nuance" is a one-way ratchet. They want conservatives to believe more liberal claims, and thereby become more "nuanced" in their judgments and beliefs. But when a story comes along that would add "nuance" to a cherished dogma of the left -- here, a memo from Obama's own DNI -- explaining that waterboarding in fact saved lives, the Times doesn't seem moved to inject that nuance into the debate. The left it is quite willing to let live with its silly fantasies, devoid of nuance. Because the Times buried the story, and thereby signaled to the follow-the-leader sheep media that the story was unimportant, it will not get much play from anyone but that nasty conservative media the Times thinks you shouldn't be reading anyway. Nuance is healthy, apparently, but only the right isn't getting its recommended daily allowance of the stuff. The media freaks out whenever conservatives believe something that is untrue (or that they have collectively determined is untrue), publishing story after story, for example, about conservatives' wrongful (?) belief that Barack Obama was at one time a Muslim, or that Saddam Hussein was involved in 9/11. They make a major issue not only of the facts (or "facts"), but do stories about the stories, meta-stories, concerning conservatives' ignorance of the facts ("facts"). But here? The left will continue screaming that waterboarding -- or any coercive technique that disrupts one's soulpatterns -- never works. And the Times is quite willing to leave the left undisturbed in believing that fiction. CommentsPosted by: richard mcenroe at April 22, 2009 02:53 PM (xIS21) Posted by: Kensington at April 22, 2009 02:53 PM (JUzMJ) 3
Why bury the lead when you can bury the whole story?
Posted by: Rocks at April 22, 2009 02:54 PM (Q1lie) 4
What? We know how to sell papers. Just look at the value of our stock. Now look at our equity holdings.
Know any gravediggers that will work for a 5,000 words of space in the Sunday Times? Posted by: The NY Times at April 22, 2009 02:57 PM (AHrTm) 5
NYT is BURRIED Buries Story About Enhanced Interrogations' Effectiveness
That is what we want to see. And anyway….
Is any one surprised, how about it next commenter? Posted by: Vic at April 22, 2009 02:57 PM (f6os6) 6
Lying liars and the liars tht lie them
Posted by: MAJHAM at April 22, 2009 02:58 PM (c2P97) 7
I, for one, am not surprised, shocked, or flabbergasted. As for the next commenter, that may be a different story. Next commenter?
Posted by: yinzer at April 22, 2009 02:59 PM (/Mla1) 8
They can't go under fast enough. All the them.
Posted by: DocJ at April 22, 2009 02:59 PM (g8ibn) 9
Texas clears it up for y'all...
Posted by: richard mcenroe T. B. Bechtel, a part-time City Councilman from Midland , TX , was asked on a local live radio talk show, just what he thought of the allegations of torture of the Iraqi prisoners. His reply prompted his ejection from the studio, but to thunderous applause from the audience. 'If hooking up an Iraqi prisoner's nuts to a car's battery cables will save just one Texas GI's life, then I have just three things to say: 'Red is positive, Black is negative, and Make sure his nuts are wet. Unfortunately I don't think this guy could get elected. Posted by: Travis at April 22, 2009 03:00 PM (gXPJF) 10
Nuance for thee, but not for me.
Posted by: Todd, the Sofa King at April 22, 2009 03:02 PM (DZmDA) 11
And this is shocking why?
The NYT is over $1 billion in debt because they're printing high-priced bird cage lining that no one, not even the birds, want to read. Why would they suddenly stop and realize their mistakes? 1. The Times doesn't make mistakes. 2. They're waiting for a bailout. Posted by: VibrioCocci at April 22, 2009 03:04 PM (2Wfcq) 12
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awesome Posted by: anctrekker at April 22, 2009 03:04 PM (kclNB) 13
"'Red is positive, Black is negative, and Make sure his nuts are wet.
Unfortunately I don't think this guy could get elected." I'd vote for him. Posted by: Perez Hilton, bigot at April 22, 2009 03:05 PM (swuwV) 14
Why the NY Times always led the movement against torture. Weren't they in the forefront of the Leftwingnuts protesting the treatment of American POWs in Vietnam?
Weren't they? Posted by: Thomas Jackson at April 22, 2009 03:05 PM (0Qynq) 15
@9. Sounds like an evening with Bawney Fwank
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Even the swedish secret police (SؤPO) are allowed to hold suspects without cause indefinitely and subject them to all sort of interrogations techniques. Did the Obama administration not read their socialist weekly circular?
Ps. It's earth day... burn a tire but make sure to use styrofoam bits and diesel as the accelerant. Posted by: UofC Conservative at April 22, 2009 03:06 PM (3FkM/) 17
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The left has already framed the argument. The memos are "torture memos" which leads most people to think that they explicitly authorized torture.
Bullshit. The delineated what would be considered torture and what wouldn't. They were crafted specifically to ensure that the US DID NOT TORTURE anyone. Posted by: XBradTC at April 22, 2009 03:08 PM (p/ZA5) 19
It's a new day for America. We will turn the page and rebuild and improve our international standing around the globe. Yayyyyyyyy! Posted by: D-ling's Obama speech/excuse generator at April 22, 2009 03:08 PM (ZmQ1I) 20
Mark Steyn made a good point in the Corner yesterday that it would actually be better for American journalism if the NYT did fail. Most major papers are Times wannabes and follow their lead in the type of stories they cover and the priorities they give them. And even though the Times winning 5 pulitzers this year, their business and coverage model is not working. When they're gone, the other papers would be forced to develop their own models - a lot will fail but some will succeed and papers as a whole will be more interesting.
Posted by: Mوtenloch at April 22, 2009 03:08 PM (z1Jlf) 21
Saddam Hussein was involved in 9/11. Actually, I think he was. Does anyone remember that story of the commercial aircraft fuselage they found in the desert during the advance inot Iraq that was set up as a "training" facility? I do, but I can't find a damn thing on it. Posted by: Airbus at April 22, 2009 03:09 PM (W0B71) 22
It is so hot when Ace starts talking about lying liars, grinding teeth, soulpatterns and nuance all in the same post.
Posted by: Filly at April 22, 2009 03:11 PM (PsTGP) 23
Why the NY Times always led the movement against torture. Weren't they in the forefront of the Leftwingnuts protesting the treatment of American POWs in Vietnam? Yes they were. And by "yes they were", I mean the more nuanced version which means no they weren't Posted by: Lemmiwinks at April 22, 2009 03:11 PM (IqfKc) 24
Airbus, there were two plausible theories why he might have them. One was for conventional hijackings, for money or to compel nations to release prisoners. The other was as a training aid for his own security forces to practice freeing a hijacked airliner. There's more than one airliner fuselage in the US used for that purpose.
Posted by: XBradTC at April 22, 2009 03:12 PM (p/ZA5) 25
Even the swedish secret police (SؤPO) are allowed to hold suspects without cause indefinitely and subject them to all sort of interrogations techniques Lutefisking. Nasty stuff. Even the Abwehr refused to use it on captured spies. Posted by: Sven Svenson at April 22, 2009 03:12 PM (W0B71) 26
It'll be interesting (or sickening) to see how long this River in Egypt
keeps flowing. Posters on HuffPo are still screaming "but we all know
torture doesn't work".
You can debate the definition of torture, it's legality, and how far are we willing to go with it, but it's a useless debate if you don't include the fact that sometimes it fucking saves bunches of innocent lives. Posted by: stace at April 22, 2009 03:12 PM (g/wgk) 27
Airbus, there were two plausible theories why he might have them. One was for conventional hijackings, for money or to compel nations to release prisoners. The other was as a training aid for his own security forces to practice freeing a hijacked airliner. There's more than one airliner fuselage in the US used for that purpose. Those theories are plausible. But I always got the vibe, especially after reading that story, that Hussien was involved in some way. Thanks jogging my memory though. Posted by: Airbus at April 22, 2009 03:14 PM (W0B71) 28
Did the trolls wear themselves out yesterday? Are they in a Funyuns coma? Posted by: Warden at April 22, 2009 03:15 PM (QoR4a) 29
...torture doesn't work Isn't it cute how they do that? They call it torture and force you to defend it. But that's what happens when you allow your ideological enemies define the terms and frame the argument. Posted by: D-ling's Obama speech/excuse generator at April 22, 2009 03:19 PM (ZmQ1I) 30
Drudge had the story that the NY Slimes has $34 million in the bank and $1.3 billion in debt. In other words, here comes the bailout.
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First Subarus, now Funyuns. I just can't buy a break around here.
Posted by: Not obviously a Conservative at April 22, 2009 03:22 PM (7FA9S) 33
You think Obama is going to allow the NYT, the White House organ, an arm of the Obama admin's press department, to disappear? Posted by: D-ling at April 22, 2009 03:24 PM (ZmQ1I) 34
Based on these "torture" memos.. (notice that it is a given this was torture)... I would argue that most frat boys (especially W. being a skull and all) went through worse during hazing.... liberal panzies.. GO... HUG...A.. TREE....and speaking of which... it's earth day... where is my chainsaw. Posted by: UofC Conservative at April 22, 2009 03:24 PM (3FkM/) 35
Hey what do ya want from us. At least we didn't saturate our front page with that chauvanistic Augusta Golf Club this year even though that's the most important story of the past two decades. Posted by: NY Times at April 22, 2009 03:26 PM (m2CN7) 36
Airbus, there were two plausible theories why he might have them. One was for conventional hijackings, for money or to compel nations to release prisoners. The other was as a training aid for his own security forces to practice freeing a hijacked airliner. There's more than one airliner fuselage in the US used for that purpose. Those theories are plausible. But I always got the vibe, especially
after reading that story, that Hussien was involved in some way.
Thanks jogging my memory though. IIRC, the military found those fuselages in terrorists trainging camps in the north that Saddam was allowing. Posted by: TendStl at April 22, 2009 03:26 PM (PiOMP) 37
Which explains why the NYT can't pay it's bills.
Posted by: MAS1916 at April 22, 2009 03:33 PM (EjR/1) 38
Does
anyone remember that story of the commercial aircraft fuselage they
found in the desert during the advance inot Iraq that was set up as a
"training" facility?
It wasn't in the desert; it's just south of Baghdad, Salman Pak. Posted by: Chimney Sweep #8 at April 22, 2009 03:33 PM (kIjlp) Posted by: The Sanity Inspector at April 22, 2009 03:34 PM (uw+0A) Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at April 22, 2009 03:35 PM (B+qrE) 41
TendStl, hence the first theory.
Posted by: XBradTC at April 22, 2009 03:35 PM (p/ZA5) 42
21: IIRC, that place was called Salman Pak.
Posted by: t-bird at April 22, 2009 03:36 PM (FcR7P) 43
What we need is a Ministry, er... Department of Truth that takes over the Globe, NYT, Trib, Strib, et al. to assure the consistent message is delivered.. John Kerry, war hero, is expected to be named the first Secretary of the new Cabinet post Posted by: I am Barack Obama and I know what you need to know at April 22, 2009 03:40 PM (xOuU7) 44
I stopped getting the local rag here in FL because of their leftist diatribes and also the fact that nearly 90% of their articles were from the NYT. I never told them to renew my subscription, they threw papers in the yard for three months, then sent me a bill. I'll see them in court soon. They can't go under soon enough for me. Posted by: BackwardsBoy at April 22, 2009 03:41 PM (ZGhSv) 45
Ace, this is just a distraction! Remember it was the evil, incompetent George McChimpyBushHitler who cherrypicked intelligence so we could go into Iraq. The Paper of Record would never resort to such a dishonest tatic.. The Old Grey Lady is all about getting the whole truth out and providing America with a watchdog.
Posted by: scaredformycountry at April 22, 2009 03:50 PM (aC/SY) 46
It doesn't matter, we don't need intelligence anymore anyways. All you have to do is watch the news. The Taliban has pushed within 60 miles of the capital of Pakistan and 30 miles from their nuclear arms storage. Obama promises more soft power. Posted by: robtr at April 22, 2009 03:51 PM (H60q6) 47
I also saw a yahoo article today that tried to link the criminal activity in Abu Grahib with the memos and legitimate interrogations. Some memes never die...
Posted by: XBradTC at April 22, 2009 03:52 PM (p/ZA5) 48
Never let the facts get in the way of a good story, eh?
Posted by: The Other Shoe at April 22, 2009 03:58 PM (UclVj) 49
I also saw a yahoo article today that tried to link the criminal activity in Abu Grahib with the memos and legitimate interrogations. Some memes never die...
Yahoo runs nothing but commie propaganda. That's why I smiled when I saw a story yesterday that it would be laying off 600-700 little comrades. Posted by: TheQuietMan at April 22, 2009 03:58 PM (1Jaio) 50
Rest assured, if the NYT gets a story involving a Palin child at 8:30 pm it will move heaven and earth to make sure it is front page, above the fold, the next morning. These successful businesses have their priorities straight. Posted by: veritas at April 22, 2009 04:02 PM (2R5G8) 51
I think it's time once again to give Dick Cheney his due. Obama went after the CIA. Dick Cheney jumped ugly on him. The master puppeteer orchestrated a wonderful CIA counterinsurgency, to mix a few metaphors. Posted by: rdbrewer at April 22, 2009 04:06 PM (ajXGd) 52
Some memes never die...
And they should be fought to the death. What's slightly more unfortunate is when people on 'our side' throw in the towel on the control the discussion. Ed Morrissey: "Conservatives should stop pretending that waterboarding isn’t a form of torture that the US has opposed for decades when used abroad, especially against our own citizens." Posted by: Chimney Sweep #8 at April 22, 2009 04:12 PM (kIjlp) Posted by: Comrade Arthur at April 22, 2009 04:15 PM (WK1BG) 54
Now wait just one New York minute. The New York Times did not publish any top secret classified documents today, as far as we know. They should be applauded for their patriotic and responsible journalism today, not pilloried for the one story they didn't print.
Posted by: klrtz1 at April 22, 2009 04:28 PM (Q5asM) 55
28 Are they in a Funyuns coma?
Hmm. Something to aspire to. It's good to have a goal. Posted by: Anachronda at April 22, 2009 04:28 PM (3K4hn) 56
"Obama promises more soft power.
Posted by: robtr at April 22, 2009 03:51 PM (H60q6)" I call it Smart Diplomacy, dickweed. Posted by: Former President-elect Barak Obama at April 22, 2009 04:29 PM (iafWn) 57
The Slimes is also burying or minimizing stories about Steve Rattner's growing problem with pension fund kickbacks to his hedge fund from state pension funds.
What the do report doesn't come with the disclaimer that Rattner is Pinch's BFF. Posted by: kbdabear at April 22, 2009 04:34 PM (miw86) 58
"America's newspapers are struggling to survive, and while there will
be serious consequences in terms of the lives and financial security of
the employees involved, including hundreds at the Globe, there will
also be serious consequences for our democracy where diversity of opinion and strong debate are paramount," Mr. Kerry said.
Testify, Lurch, Testify! Posted by: kbdabear at April 22, 2009 04:38 PM (miw86) 59
Reading the NY Times disrupts my soulpatterns, therefore it is torture and it should be banned!
Posted by: ParnoidGirlInSeattle at April 22, 2009 05:08 PM (AJ4xq) 60
I only managed to just sit through 2 minutes of CNN with them breathlessly announcing (paraphrasing) "that once only leftwing Democrats had been in favour of pursuing criminal charges against Bush W.H. officials, but now all the Democrats are angered by the memos so much that now they are interested in charges too." I left after Carl Levin was interviewed on the steps of the Senate saying the Dems were disgusted by the contents of the memo. Posted by: andycanuck at April 22, 2009 05:26 PM (vulJH) 61
The NYT is over $1 billion in debt because they're printing high-priced bird cage lining that no one, not even the birds, want to read. Allah be praised! (Sura 2:29) Posted by: 7HEAVENS at April 22, 2009 05:36 PM (CCVrv) 62
First Subarus, now Funyuns. I just can't buy a break around here.
Q: What do you do if you're stuck in a blizzard and out of Funyuns? A: Call someone who owns a Subaru! Posted by: Subaru! at April 22, 2009 05:39 PM (7dXKM) 63
Of course the NYT buried the story. Virtually ANYTHING pro American is their enemy. Lousy fucks. They can't go out of business fast enough. I hate these people with a passion.
Traitorous bastards. Anything anti American gets front page status. Every damn day of the admin has made my blood boil. Posted by: Melodic_Metal at April 22, 2009 05:45 PM (9QC0z) 64
NYT: a big boy made me do it and ran away!
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Posted by: Jones at April 22, 2009 06:26 PM (KOkrW) 66
By the way, our Smart Diplomat in Chief Hillary is saying she doesn't consider "Fat" Dick Cheney a "reliable source of information."
Of course, this is the woman that believed Bubba's wedding vows... Posted by: CoolCzech at April 22, 2009 07:22 PM (iafWn) 67
I almost bought a copy of the New Yuk Times the other day, but I only had three dollars and fifty cents, so I bought a single share of their stock and spent the rest on a snow cone.
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"Obama lied, people would have died." (if we had not used the interrogation techniques in question) Feel free to use that one when "debating" any leftists. The louder and more often you say it, the more effective it will be. Posted by: Archivald at April 22, 2009 09:14 PM (U2kfn) 69
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