1 Better to lose a skyscraper full of people than torture a single one of Gaia's creatures.

See how easy it is to be enlightened?

2 Umm....what was that about prosecutions again Obama?
I think the intelligence community remembers Clinton still  Sparky, I wouldn't count on them to back you up much there.

3

BUT TORTURE DOETHN'T WORK! DOETHN'T WORK, I SAY!!!!!!!!!!! THOP IT!!!!!!!

 

Besides, KSM's hairy back turns me on.

4 Sounds like Darth Cheney was right when he said "Why don't you declassify ALL the memos, like the ones detailing attacks the torture prevented?"

5 Waiting for the massive wave of MSM coverage of this counterpoint to BO's release yesterday.

*crickets*

6 The Battle of the NineTens vs. the NineTwelves begins.

7 But...but...but THEY USED CATERPILLARS! Fuzzy, ticklish, slow caterpillars!

8

Maybe I read it wrong, but Obama was open to prosecuting lawyers (from Justice), and to leave the CIA people out of it. Maybe he was just following the polls for that decision.

9 Wait, liberals who love and fret over the health of terrorists like Gerofallo live in LA.

Why would they want to hurt their supporters?

Oh right, they hate us all and not just Republicans. Someone want to shoot the left a memo about that?

10 misprints verify current issue cns news 21.4.09 malquoted success of torture rectify story doubleplusungood
rewrite fullwise
torture produced nothing of value

11 torture doesn't work, wingnuts.

12 You just don't get it.

Waterboarding right-wing extremists = OK

Torturing brown people who cause man-made disasters = BUSHCO FASCISM

Thank you,

YOUR Department of Homeland Security, 2009

13 L.A.? heh

14

The CIA: Saying "Fuck You." to the White House since 1947.

Bush learned it, and now so will the Lightbringer.

15 Also, did I mention you're all imbeciles?

Wingnuts.

Imbeciles.

16 It isn't torture if people do it for sexual gratification and you can watch it online.

*watches swap.avi again*

17 Obama's method - ice cream cone and a blow job - would probably have worked just as well.

18 It isn't torture if people do it for sexual gratification and you can watch it online.

I'm not sure I buy that.  Leftards probably watch Janeane Garanimal online while spanking it, and that sounds like torture to me.

19 @1 LOL

20

Isn't it nice that Dave Cucumber was so nice to not run pictures of potential terrorists.

He could have had a big story had they been able to blow something up, it might have kept his fucking paper in business.

21

Yea, in 2005 we did have an incident.  Tony Almedia and myself stopped it based on information provided by the CIA from the torture of KSM.

22 I'm absolutely certain that this will get as much press as the memos and witch hunts. Sure it will.

23 Gibbs is getting butt fucked by reporters now, and he looks like a giant ASS CLOWN over this new bho torture statement.

24 I wanna know which AQ heavy was scared of fuzzy caterpillars.

25
I miss Bush.

26 poopy

27 I guess those CIA guys were less then impressed by Barry's charisma yesterday.

28 I pooped my pants again.

29 @25, literally or figuratively???

30 Gibbs is getting butt fucked by reporters now, and he looks like a giant ASS CLOWN

So you're saying Gibbs has not only improved his looks but is finally getting the kind of foreplay he loves?

31 I feel safer already!!

32

"Obama's method" @17

If they're being delivered / administered by M'cel, I'd spill my beans...

33

I miss Bush.

Testify!

34 sooo I guess torture is OK to do if it involves national security. Does that also work for other countries too ? 15-18000 Americans are murdered by other Americans each year do you think that maybe we should be doing some waterboarding here also ? you know in order to save lives ?

35


sooo, you're advocating our police forces waterboarding gang thugs...

well, what those guys do is probably not very far off.

36 KSM et al. were captured as enemy combatants in foreign lands, ryan, not gangbanging in Compton.

37 JR, if you can come up with a scenario (other than domestic terrorism man-made disasters) where waterboarding someone would cause a decrease in homicide in the U.S., the administration would be innumerably happy to hear it.

38 if we get attacked again, I can't even imagine the fucking dreamworks show of an excuse that bho will use to blame this on bush, the jews, and us the conservatives.

39 #34 - We should waterboard people the 1st day the get into prison.

40 I can't imagine anyone here not understanding the importance of behind the scenes operations that make the country safer.

These men (and women) do a job that most of us wouldn't. Although, after much consideration, I don't think I would lose too much sleep (if any) torturing some of these fanatics.

I'd be disappointed if we didn't have secret prisons and hit teams doing the work that is as important as our ground troops.

Waterboarding, pfffffttt.....who cares? This is the least we should do to these fanatics.

41

April 2008:  "The politicization of intelligence is a horrible Bush policy.  I will stop it when I am preisdent."

April 2009:  "Politicizing intelligence is totally awesome when I do it.  It's cool as penguin shit when I only give you plebes half the story regarding torture and terrorism." 

42 Anybody have some spare cardboard boxes?

43 (Snark), But it would only have caused the deaths of a few thousand Americans, some of which were probably Right-Wingers anyway.  The non-existent US Constitutional Rights of a non-American are much more important than the lives of actual Americans, especially since a few of them might have voted for McBushitlerhalliburton.  We wouldn't want to become "just like them" now, would we? (I say more caterpillars are needed!)

44 CNSNews? lulz.

45

Why does this remind of an old 24 episosde?

 

Jack Bauer waterboards terrorist, prevents Los Angeles from being blown up.

46 Any interest in a nice, four bedroom house near a park?
All offers considered.

47 Liberals probably booed that scene in "Dark Knight" when Batman wedged a chair against the door of the interrogation room and beat the snot out of the Joker.

48 Hey, John, I could care less if prisoners are waterboarded. I think they should waterboard the women that write and visit these guys also.

49

I'm a little dense today (not enough sleep or something) can someone clear something up for me --

Preventing this attack on Los Angeles -- was that part of the War of Terror or part of the So-Called War on Terror?

50 Ace,
Can I borrow your truck?

51

15-18000 Americans are murdered by other Americans each year do you think that maybe we should be doing some waterboarding here also ?

No, johnny, that would violate the American legal protections afforded Americans.  I know you guys are incredibly stupid and don't ever miss an opportunity to remind us of that fact, but there's a titanic difference between an American criminal being prosecuted under the American legal system and some subhuman piece of foreign shit captured on a foreign battlefield.

But go on, dumbass.  Keep protesting the "horrible" treatment inflicted on the chief architect of 9/11.  It's a real vote-winner, I assure you.  Get out the word to all of your party's leadership that they need to incorporate this kid-gloves-no-matter-the-cost-in-American-lives bullshit into their formal platform.  I promise that you freaks aren't standing all alone on some bizarre fringe that actually gives a fuck what happens to these monsters.

52 >>“Both KSM and Zubaydah had ‘expressed their belief that the general US population was ‘weak,’ lacked resilience, and would be unable to ‘do what was necessary’ to prevent the terrorists from succeeding in their goals.’

I wonder where they got this idea? This is crazy talk, that's what it is.

53

Don't want to sound pro terrorist but prosecute the CIA agents that saved L.A.... no more Dodgers, Lakers, pro football... oh yea, thats right.

I may need to think about this.

54 John Ryan, I put this in the other thread, but perhaps you can glean some information from it, so here you go:

84 After a brief perusal of the memos, what is clear is that they were not used to justify torture, but rather, to find ways of interrogating recalcitrant detainees without resorting to torture. There was clearly a great deal of effort put into making sure that there was no torture.
The problem is of course, torture is pretty much in the eye of the beholder. When the definition is composed of subjective terms, you are going to get some subjective answers as to what does and does not constitute torture.

As to prosecutions, it's highly unlikely there will be any. And Barry knows that. Because it would have to take place in open court. And I just don't think San Fran Nan wants to sit in the docket and give her reasons for not objecting when the program was explained in great detail to her.

On the other hand, investigations? Oh, there will be. And in this case, the investigation IS the punishment. They'll use them both as a political bludgeon, and to make the individuals involved miserable. Pour encourages les autres.

55

Dick Cheney is right.  Release all the memos.  Hell, most of the damage is already done.  Al-qaeda and every other foreign dirtbag organization has our techniques down cold anyway.

Let everything out.  Let's actually see what the CIA did right to stop terrorism, not just the material for the Gitmo leg of Obambi's worldwide apologize to shit-heads tour.

56

44 CNSNews? lulz.

WashPost

57

No, johnny, that would violate the American legal protections afforded Americans.  I know you guys are incredibly stupid and don't ever miss an opportunity to remind us of that fact, but there's a titanic difference between an American criminal being prosecuted under the American legal system and some subhuman piece of foreign shit captured on a foreign battlefield.

But we're all Americans! Citizens of the World! Open Borders!

 

58 Thank God for the CIA.
You know what comes after the "Second Wave" don't ya?
The "New Wave". Islamofacists ....with spiked hair and a synthesizer.

59 @56 Cuffy Meigs - can you un-tinyurl that for me?

60 PS, this isn't exactly news. Bush spoke about this over 2 years ago.

Does anyone in the msm pay attention to anything other than Michelle's arms or The One's tits?

61

>>“Both KSM and Zubaydah had ‘expressed their belief that the general US population was ‘weak,’ lacked resilience, and would be unable to ‘do what was necessary’ to prevent the terrorists from succeeding in their goals.’

I wanted to let both of them teabag me, does that make me look weak or lacking resiliance?

62

how come honest clod gets a cool hash?

FO+YO

Well there was a huge red beetle in my car yesterday and I would've told you anything you asked me in order to get away from it, so perhaps the caterpillers weren't as silly as I thought they were. Especially if they were some of those caterpillers that are all spiky and shit.

63

http:// www .washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/04/20/AR2009042002818.html

take the spaces out from either side of www

64

i would have to imagine that the cia folks that are doing the black ops shit (the cool shit) are probably not liberal.  i could be wrong, i just don't see an bho voter waterboarding someone. idon't actualy know if i could torture someone everyday and i did not vote for bho.  i wonder if theyse guys are saying fuck this shit and leaving, or if they are sticking aroundso they can end up in jail, or on the front page of the times.

65

Anybody have some spare cardboard boxes?

Go to your local bookstores. They typically get more boxes than they can re-use and would be happy to give them away. Also, these boxes are bigger than the ones you'd have to pay for at The UPS Store.

66 I'll take opinion from WaPo over "news" from CNS any day. Thank you. I was aware of the memo referred to in both pieces.

67 38 if we get attacked again, I can't even imagine the fucking dreamworks show of an excuse that bho will use to blame this on bush, the jews, and us the conservatives

They've already set the plans in motion. Whatever attack happens will be blamed on "right wing extremists." That's what the Homeland Security Report was all about. Even if Osama screams from the heavens that he did it, I do believe they will not blame their "Muslim brothers" in the Middle East.

/there is credible evidence that McVeigh was financed by Middle Eastern interests, but that information was suppressed under the Clinton justice department.

68

The CIA: Saying "Fuck You." to the White House since 1947.

I am not so sure:

WASHINGTON — President Obama traveled to the headquarters of the CIA Monday to vow continued support for the agency despite weeks of revelations about the physical abuse and mental manipulation of terrorist suspects in its secret prisons.

Obama, greeted by raucous cheers in his first visit to the spy agency, thanked employees for their sacrifices and gave no hint of wavering from his pledge to oppose prosecutions of CIA workers who used interrogation methods that the president's own advisers have called torture.

69 What sort of interrogations are happening today?

Good cop, bad cop?

Hand puppet theater?

70

Anybody have some spare cardboard boxes?

I've got some full of terrifyingly cute caterpillars.

71

If we get attacked again: "That just proves that the intrusions against our freedoms (such as the Patriot Act) were ineffective."

If we don't get attacked again: "That just proves that the intrusions against our freedoms (such as the Patriot Act) were needless."

72 Jay @68, the clip I saw on ABC of Obama's greeting was indeed enthusiastic. And 100% African American. I didn't see a single person of pallor in the crowd.

73 Could I get some of those caterpillars?  I was thinking of using them on my students to get them to stop misusing semicolons.  I save waterboarding for comma splices.

74 I want to fellate the annointed one and get teabagged by chavez They can torture me anytime....

75 BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

76 Obama, greeted by raucous cheers...

There are ass kissers in every dept.

77 CSN News = Brent Bozell

It's unsubstantiated at best. Most likely utter bullshit. Just like the rest of the crap you post here.

Damn funny one gang. How about quoting Ann Coulter at Human Events?

Do you friggin nitwits even know what  legitimate journalism is? You know citing sources?

78 Oh wow...East Asian suicide pilots. I'm sorry, but how exactly did this intel foil a plot? Where are these East Asian terrorists now?
And did they foil this plot with the ingenious shoe removal program at airports? Sounds less like a "plot" and more like a really bad movie idea.
Nice try though.....

79 Does ACME sell a waterboarding kit?

80 Isn't his wife a lawyer?  Why does he hate lawyers so much?

81 68,

The CIA that gets their faces on TV, cheering for the One are either admin types or analysts. 

Definitely no waterboarders.

Obama could have drummed up that audience at a college campus or government employees union meeting.

Lets see him go to JSOC and get cheered.

82 Rick and Charlie haven't been on CNBC so what does that mean?

83 Go to your local bookstores. They typically get more boxes than they can re-use and would be happy to give them away.

Thanks, but for some unknown reason completely unrelated to this thread there's been a sudden run on cardboard boxes and U-hauls out here in LA.

Hey, maybe I can go down to the tracks and roust a few hobos for their boxes...

84 @67, I remember reading a story in the news about a suspected link to Iraq and McVeigh, apparently the "third man" was descriobed as somene who closely resemebled an Iraqi spy.  

85

Sweet, now we know it is true because the trolls have been dispatched.

Also, didn't somebody post yesterday about that CIA photo-op that all the people looked like support services types, almost like it was staged or something. Not that they would fill the seats with only those enthusiastic to Obama or anything, I mean they never have before...oh, wait never mind.

86 Nice try though.....
Posted by: young4

Yeah, like people learning to fly planes but not not landing and take off. Man, you wingnuts are so stupit. If anybody tried that President Clinton and his team would have stopped that in its tracks!

And that made up shit about peolple planning to blow up airliners with liquid explosives.

Too dumm!

87

"Do you friggin nitwits even know what  legitimate journalism is? You know citing sources?"

 

You mean like Keith Olberdouche and Mr Tingle Chris Matthews?  Good sources right?  How does that tea bag taste cloud?

88 You know what comes after the "Second Wave" don't ya?
The "New Wave". Islamofacists ....with spiked hair and a synthesizer.


Flock of Shiites... And Iran, Iran so far away...

89 What was the target in LA? Since they already struck our economic and military symbols a movie studio would have been a very symbolic statement.

90 Honest Cloud at 77,

did you not see Cuffy's link to the WaPo making the very same point? Or just being dishonest again?

91

Honest Clod:

"According to the previously classified May 30, 2005 Justice Department memo that was released by President Barack Obama last week..."

Does it matter where this fact is reported? CNS? Washington Post? A memo is a memo.

92 Hey Trolls, from the Cuffy's WaPo link:

Specifically, interrogation with enhanced techniques "led to the discovery of a KSM plot, the 'Second Wave,' 'to use East Asian operatives to crash a hijacked airliner into' a building in Los Angeles." KSM later acknowledged before a military commission at Guantanamo Bay that the target was the Library Tower, the tallest building on the West Coast. The memo explains that "information obtained from KSM also led to the capture of Riduan bin Isomuddin, better known as Hambali, and the discovery of the Guraba Cell, a 17-member Jemmah Islamiyah cell tasked with executing the 'Second Wave.' " In other words, without enhanced interrogations, there could be a hole in the ground in Los Angeles to match the one in New York.

Most of us here aren't fans of the WaPo - but they seem to consider themselves "serious journalists" and dismissing the plot as a bad movie script is exactly the "failure of imagination" that allowed the first attack to happen. 

93

On the subject of blaming people for attacks that occurred on one's watch, I seem to recall insinuations from Bush and Cheney that 9/11 was all Clinton's fault. But I guess it's never a conservative's fault when things go wrong ... personal responsibility is for other people.

94 >>And 100% African American. I didn't see a single person of pallor in the crowd

Yea, I mentioned this yesterday when the live feed was going on. 99% African American and mostly female. Shocking that they would cheer for Obama.

The field agents, I'm thinking not so much.

95 Obama, greeted by raucous cheers

So by MSM counting, then, one guy kinda glanced in his general direction.

96 I can find no mention of this stuff in the L.A. Times. There's a long article based on the memo (quoted by WaPo and CNS), but it's just hand-wrigging about the interrogation techniques.

A-friggin-mazing.

I guess they hire their journalists from USC.

97 I don't remember George Bush or Dick Cheney insinuating anything. What insinuations are you referring to?

98

It's unsubstantiated at best. Most likely utter bullshit. Just like the rest of the crap you post here.

Damn funny one gang. How about quoting Ann Coulter at Human Events?

Do you friggin nitwits even know what  legitimate journalism is? You know citing sources?

Hey, dipshit, aren't you still stinging from having to pull your foot out of your mouth in the other thread?  Aren't you just a wee bit embarrassed that you're going to have to do the same thing here?

You know what would earn you more credibility than making a fool out of yourself on multiple threads and then pretending to be such a magnanimous hero for admitting that you don't know what the fuck you're talking about?  Not making a fool of yourself in the first place.

Try it some time; it's cathartic.

99

How can you not say its Clinton’s fault you ass clown?  He not once, twice refused to apprehend OBL.  Two World Trade Center Bombings, Somalia, Embassy Bombings in Africa and the Cole, and all he could think of was some fat bitch sucking his dick.  If Bush did not inherit 9-11, then Obama did not inherit this bad economy.

100 VJay, I missed the other thread where honest clod was beclowned.Which post?

101 Thank goodness Mark is here. We needed his clear thinking and incredible insights.

102

On the subject of blaming people for attacks that occurred on one's watch, I seem to recall insinuations from Bush and Cheney that 9/11 was all Clinton's fault.

Yeah, you guys "recall" a lot of imaginary bullshit.  If you had to rely solely on events as they actually happened, it would be terribly difficult to maintain your silly-assed, incredibly dangerous wordview.

But I'm sure that as I was writing this retort you were busy posting a slew of links backing up your recollections of Bush/Cheney blaming Clinton for 9/11.  Boy is my face gonna be red.

103

Steven G. Bradbury

Soon after signing a memo to the CIA in May 2005 approving “enhanced interrogation” techniques, President Bush nominated him to become the Assistant Attorney General for the Office of Legal Counsel.

Hey dumfucks,

Bradbury is one of the authors of the authorization to torture. And now after committing war crimes he says "but it worked'?

You guys are hopeless. Thank God you're only 25% of the population.

104

Do you think eventually the trolls will collapse under the weight of having to carry so much bullshit?

105

VJay, I missed the other thread where honest clod was beclowned.Which post?

http://minx.cc/?post=286271

Love the martyr routine here:

Maybe if I'd have gone further I would have realized it but I had no interest. It was the .edu that made me think it. Oh well. Unlike a wingnut I'm not afraid to admit I was wrong.

Courage!

Clod's been busy over here lately.  Doesn't even pretend to be a clueless "moderate" with limited reasoning ability any more.  Now he's a full-fledged sneering little shitstain like ergy, or frito, or any of the rest of the detritus that litters this place.  Too bad; he had such a niche gig going.

106 "On the subject of blaming people for attacks that occurred on one's watch, I seem to recall insinuations from Bush and Cheney that 9/11 was all Clinton's fault."

100% true. So I guess any attacks that happen prior to Sept 11 2009 would be Bush's fault. Right wingnuts?

Only after Obama ignores all the warnings and goes on vacation.

107 ITALICS ARE TEH AWESOME.

108

Bradbury is one of the authors of the authorization to torture. And now after committing war crimes he says "but it worked'?

You guys are hopeless. Thank God you're only 25% of the population.

You're calling waterboarding and caterpillaring "war crimes" and you want to mock our statistical representation among the public?  It is to laugh.

Seriously, do you freaks not realize how far in the wackadoo fringe you are?  Do you honestly believe that some significant number of non-fictional Americans actually give a shit how we treat KSM and his fellow butchers? 

What the fuck happened to you as children?  Too many hugs?  Not enough hugs?  Something hug-related?  What?  What is your damage?

109 ParanoidGirlInSeattle,

Nope. Girls like erg and "honest" cloud forget the things they've typed before they even click the Post Button. There can be no cognitive dissonance when there is no cognition.

Have you ever talked to a huge fan of a sports team? It's the same thing. They're not reasoning their fandom, they're just pulling for the team. Everything else is of no account.

They're mentally deranged by their religion of Leftist Politics.

110

It's unsubstantiated at best

Gen Hayden has written all about it here, you ignorant assclown.

Now post some silly blather that he doesn't know what he's talking about...

111 @ 67 and 84

More information on the OKC bombing found here: http://tiny.cc/NvzYf

112 "Hey dumfucks,"

Wait a minute, I don't mind JackStraw, VJay, xbrad, or eman calling me that but someone named "honest cloud" is not man or woman enough to earn that privilege.

honest cloud..hahahahahaha

113

 Thank God you're only 25% of the population.

As a point of fact, more voters self identify as conservative - 34% than do liberal - 24%.

Idiot.

114

What the fuck happened to you as children?  Too many hugs?  Not enough hugs?  Something hug-related?  What?  What is your damage?

Not enough italics. And italics are kinda squirmy. Just like --- don't make me say it --- caterpillars. {soils self}

115 Hey clod, once you remove that huge cock out of your mouth, you will come to realize that torture is not that bad. 

116 I don't remember George Bush or Dick Cheney insinuating anything. What insinuations are you referring to?

Its right in there when Bush was blaming 9/11 on Saddam, er, what?

117 Damn, link doesn't work.<br><br> It was to the book "The Third Terrorist:  The Middle East Connection to the Oklahoma City Bombing."  A lot of good information and interesting questions it brings up.

118

as the prototypical leftist, would hc answer a question as to how many people he would sacrifice in a terror attack to avoid the stain on his immortal soul of pouring water on the face of KSM?  his type of morality is always consquence free-like the folks who say we should not have dropped a bomb on Japan because, gosh darn it, they eventually would have surrendered anyway and we  only would have suffered 100,000 deaths in the invasion, not 500,000 or 1,000,000.  It seems like the Bush Administration was making serious adult decisions knowing the possible consequences of inaction-ie.  the opposite of what the Obama Administration is doing. 

119 Think I need some practice. Lots more, but you get the point.

I'm new Ace, so don't have me waterboarded.

120

I'm new Ace, so don't have me waterboarded.

You have nothing to worry about. Ace doesn't read this blog.

121

100% true. So I guess any attacks that happen prior to Sept 11 2009 would be Bush's fault. Right wingnuts?

Only after Obama ignores all the warnings and goes on vacation.

 I did not know that Spet 11, 2009 was the cut off date for bho and the libs when they will officially stop blaming bush for everything.

122 Hmmmm.

AQ targets cities because there are plenty of people there.

Liberals live in cities because that's how they're wired.

AQ -> cities = liberals + death

It's almost like pre-irony.  It's stupid, you can see it coming from far away and it's probably going to happen to a bunch of people who deserve it.

The problem is all the other people around them who definitely do not deserve that crazy-ass nonsense.

123 Honest Clod: If it was authorized, it wasn't "torture". Just cause you find it icky, doesn't make it illegal.

124

Only after Obama ignores all the warnings

Laugh out loud funny.

Bush received no "warnings" you imbecile.

125 You know I've been thinking about it and Honest Cloud bothers me more than a lot of the other trolls we have here, I think it is his name.

126 123 Honest Clod: If it was authorized, it wasn't "torture". Just cause you find it icky, doesn't make it illegal.

Posted by: Teleprompter Messiah at April 21, 2009 02:51 PM (nUMnb)

Another dumbfuck wingnut.

The whole point of going forward is if the authorization of torture was a crime. Good God, our country is filled with imbeciles.

127

What the fuck happened to you as children?  Too many hugs?  Not enough hugs?  Something hug-related?  What?  What is your damage?

Posted by: VJay at April 21, 2009

Most of us are educated. And learned to think.

Unlike your dropout heroes Limbaugh and Hannity and the toothless uneducated redneck hillbillies who call themselves conservatives.

128

Hey dumfucks,

Bradbury is one of the authors of the authorization to torture. And now after committing war crimes he says "but it worked'?

You guys are hopeless. Thank God you're only 25% of the population.

 

Hey dumbfuck,

If you still don't get it people here don't share your affection for terrorists. I for one not only don't give a fuck if somebody who planned execution of 3000 innocents is tortured (let alone waterboarded or deprived of sleep), but i actually wish he would pay for all the suffering he caused. You won't understand it asshole since you don't understand how it is to care about innocents and despise monsters. On the other hand i guess you can just take the way you feel towards folks who want to keep their money from being looted  by such lowlifes as yourself, want small government, justice for criminals and terrorists, freedom of speech etc and realise that we feel the same despisal to KSM and his ilk. So take your Taliban talking points and shove it up your ass.   

129

Honest Clod: Dumbfuck, torture is a crime. If the activities delineated in the memo do not meet the definition, then it is not "torture". "Authorized" is your word not mine. 

Legal or illegal? The memos say legal. If you disagree with the analysis, show how it is wrong and that it was done in bad faith.

130

You know I've been thinking about it and Honest Cloud bothers me more than a lot of the other trolls we have here, I think it is his name.

I hear you. And I don't enjoy having my Lesbian Seagull-sounding name out-gheyed by Honest Cloud.

131 Most of us are educated. And learned to think.



You didn't even understand what content meant yesterday.

132

Honest Clod: toothless uneducated redneck hillbillies who call themselves conservatives

I believe the politically correct term is Appalachian-American.

Now, go fetch me a latte Scooter.

133

Most of us are educated. And learned to think.

says the waterhead who thinks Sept. 11, 2009 is some kind of special demarcation date between Bush/Obama.

134

Most of us are educated. And learned to think.

Oh, yes.  That's quite apparent in this thread.  Please do summarize your various argumentative victories here for those who are late to the action.

Unlike your dropout heroes Limbaugh and Hannity and the toothless uneducated redneck hillbillies who call themselves conservatives.

Aw, isn't that sweet.  Having been rhetorically pummeled because he brought his weak-assed chin to a gunfight with his intellectual superiors, honest cloud resorts to flailing about, spewing whatever pre-programmed boilerplate epithets from the leftist collective which has convinced him that he's just so smart.

LIMBAUGH! HANNITY! REDNECKS!  I AM ULTIMATE WINNER!

What a pathetic little monkey.  But so smart you are.

135 What was the target in LA?

The Library Tower was mentioned in some older articles about the plot.

136

Obama, greeted by raucous cheers...

 

When they first published that someone said when the camera panned the audience the “raucous cheers” were just a few black secretaries. They probably had to be restrained to keep them from running up to kiss his ass.  

137 WATERBOARDING IS NOT TORTURE!

SLEEP DEPRIVATION IS NOT TORTURE!

BEING INTERROGATING BY A FEMALE IS NOT TORTURE!

I'm getting just a tad tired of these leftist pussies and their (mis)use of language!

138

When they first published that someone said when the camera panned the audience the “raucous cheers” were just a few black secretaries

Vic, et.al,

I hope that is true. I never saw a video but did read that article earlier this morning somewhat disappointed that folks at CIA would cheer the empty suit on.

Point taken that those cheering were likely suck-ups, and desk zombies anyway..

139 You run out of pearls of wisdom, honestly cloudy headed?

140

his type of morality is always consquence free-like the folks who say we should not have dropped a bomb on Japan

It's not his type of morality. Leftist scum such as himself don't have any morality. It's just their propaganda war with us, Stalin and Hitler would say same things. However having said that i think Japan is different, since there civilian and potentially innocent population has been harmed, and whie it has been happening throughout WWII and you're right that enourmous casualties amoung US troops has been avoided I still don't think it has been as morally pure as waterboarding someone like KSM. 

 

141 Honest Cloud, why did you have to be taught to think? Didn't it come naturally like it did for the rest of us?

You weren't taught how to think, you were taught what to think.

142

Most of us are educated. And learned to think.

OK--I'll give you the benefit of the doubt on the former.

You're going to have to do better to prove the latter.

143

But me am SMRT! Just you wait until this coming September --- you'll see!

So I guess any attacks that happen prior to Sept 11 2009 would be Bush's fault. Right wingnuts?

Only after Obama ignores all the warnings and goes on vacation.

 

144 135 What was the target in LA?

The Library Tower was mentioned in some older articles about the plot.

I call it The Big Salt Shaker, that's what it looks like when you see it from the 10, 5, 110, and 101 freeways

145 141 Honest Cloud, why did you have to be taught to think? Didn't it come naturally like it did for the rest of us?

You weren't taught how to think, you were taught what to think. Posted by: mare at April 21, 2009 03:17 PM

Let me guess. You are not educated. It shows.

146 Economy going into the tank, geopolitical unrest rampant, etc. and despite all of those honest mongoloid wants us to focus our energies on retroactively making what was legal illegal in regards to waterboarding 3 dudes who deserve much, much worse.  The Left: out-retarding themselves daily.

147

Let me guess. You are not educated. It shows.

Posted by: honest cloud at April 21, 2009 03:44 PM (hOPQH)

Yep.

148

Stay on the mat, dumbass.  You're done.  You've been reduced to playground mockery -- we just don't have the educational pedigree that you do; ergo you are teh smarter than we are.

Not only is that assertion statistically improbable (given the number of people to whom you are issuing the challenge, all of whom objectively surpass you in at least communication and reading comprehension), but it just highlights -- painfully -- the fact that you have absolutely nothing of value to say.

But you're at least funny in your brutish, flailing stupidity, so feel free to ignore my advice.

149

Honest Cloud:

 

Can you tell us again about being taught what to think.

Yourcomments leave the impression of an army of pompous phrases moving desperately in search of an idea or coherent thought, and if one is found beating it to death through misuse andits eventual reduction to the status of an absurd  Byzantine fraud.

 

Yes your education does show.   Amazing how poorly the public education system works if your comments are any example of the critical reasoning it instills.

150

Honest Cloud:

 

I tire of your ignorance.  "Torture doesn't work."

 

Obviously that's why the US Military twice rewrote its MCJ because of the torture issue and the members who broke because of it.

 

But keep chanting "torture doesn't work."

 

Tell us of how the French destroyed the Algerian revolutionaries in Algiers using tactics learned from the Vietnamese communists in Indochina and bray "torture doesn't work."

 

Tell us why "torture doesn't work" why our recon pilots were given poisoned needles. 

 

Finally amaze us all by citing one example where torture didn't work.  Give us your evidence.  Make a case for it.  Then explain why every nation on earth hasn't adopted your reasoning or perhaps you can show or name one name that doesn't use torture?

 

Your ability to reason  is a handicap to a cretin, dangerous in a teenager, and disasterous to someone seeking to be taken as a stable adult.

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Hey dumbfuck aka "honest cloud":

Those methods proved to be very successful. Just a few examples of who got what they deserved:

Al-Qaeda scumbag Khalid Shaikh Mohammed: They dunked his smelly ass 183 times after his capture. They got lots of information out of him.
Some of his accomplishments include: planning the 9-11 attacks that killed 3,000 in New York, Washington DC and Pennsylvania, the first World Trade Center attack in 1993, the Operation Bojinka plot, an aborted 2002 attack on Los Angeles’ U.S. Bank Tower, the Bali nightclub bombings, the failed bombing of American Airlines Flight 63, the Millennium Plot, and the murder of Daniel Pearl.

"Zayn Abidin Muhammed Hussein abu Zubaida, the first high-ranking al-Qaeda member captured after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks, broke in less than a minute after he was subjected to the technique and began providing interrogators with information that led to the disruption of several planned attacks, said John Kiriakou, who served as a CIA interrogator in Pakistan.

The waterboarding of Abu Zubaydah got him to talk in less than 35 seconds. The technique, which critics say is torture, probably disrupted “dozens” of planned al-Qaida attacks, said John Kiriakou, a leader of the team that captured Zubaydah, a major al-Qaida figure."

I can’t seem to muster up a whole lot of angst over the CIA’s dunking of those slimy mutherfuckers.

Until they were caught, they were in the process of killing as many infidels as possible for “Allah”.
I don’t give a fuck if they have to force feed a terrorist cockholster an ocean full of water to get information. The tactic works. It saves American lives.

I can hardly wait to witness the meltdown you’ll have along with the rest of the leftwing moonbat brigade, when you finally realize that Obama won’t prosecute anyone, because he can’t. Aside from the fact that several members of the Democratic Party knew about the interrogation methods,
Obama knows that if he allows prosecution he will have to release the classified information gleaned from the interrogations, which will prove they were sucessful. Instead, he’ll try to politicize the intelligence because the truth would be inconvenient. The whole attempt to blame Bush and denounce what turned out to be productive interrogations, will blow up in his face.

You liberal pansies are so wrapped around the axle over the poor, hapless muslim terrorists. There’s a few things you overlooked: What got them a trip to GITMO and the knowlege of terrorist plots endangering thousands of people. I get your mindset, though: Leaving them to commit acts of terrorism is okay, using methods to extract that information, is “immoral”. That’s a good example of “moral relativism”.

 

153 The question is not whether torturing a person prevents attacks; the question is what price Americans are willing to pay not to be known as a country that tortures people. We don't allow police to torture suspects in spite of the certainty that that policy will lead to some very bad people being released and that they will continue their life of crime and Americans will be harmed or killed. We do this because the risk of this scenario is preferable to allowing police to torture criminal suspects. Torturing people is abhorrent behavior, as Americans came to believe upon hearing of American soldiers being tortured by various enemies. Would Japan have been justified torturing American soldiers in order to prevent American attacks upon Japanese troops or to prevent attacks that would result in the deaths of Japanese civilians? Would the Vietnamese have been justified in torturing American soldiers to prevent attacks upon Viet Cong or upon Vietnamese non-military persons?

I think not. Why? Because torture is unacceptable regardless of the reasons it is carried out.

154 Honest Clod, Craig R Harmon, and other assorted sissymaries -

It wasn't fucking torture.  We didn't do anything to these scumbags that we do not do to our own people in SERE training.

155 154 - Waterboarding is a mock execution. Mock executions are torture. Of course, no one taking the SERE training is ever under the impression that they are actually being drowned. They know that it's a training exercise. They know that those training them will never allow them to die or be seriously or permanently injured; not so those we waterboarded. The effectiveness of the technique depends upon convincing the person being interrogated that we are willing to let him die if he doesn't talk. It is the equivalent of Cong taking American soldiers out and holding a gun to their heads and pulling the trigger. It's torture.

KSM was never, ever in an equivalent position to those taking SERE training.

156 Or put the other way around, those taking SERE training are never, ever in an equivalent position to KSM.

157 Yea, I mentioned this yesterday when the live feed was going on. 99% African American and mostly female. Shocking that they would cheer for Obama.

The field agents, I'm thinking not so much.

Posted by: JackStraw at April 21, 2009 02:16 PM (VW9/y)

None of the latter would allow themselves to be photographed/filmed. 

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Let me guess. You are not educated of the body. It shows.

Posted by: honest cloud at April 21, 2009 03:44 PM (hOPQH)

160 the question is what price Americans are willing to pay not to be known as a country that tortures people.

What price are you willing to pay, Craig?

161 I'd pay too-fitty, anything above that, go ahead and cut on em, or burn em.

162

The question is not whether torturing a person prevents attacks; the question is what price Americans are willing to pay not to be known as a country that tortures people. We don't allow police to torture suspects in spite of the certainty that that policy will lead to some very bad people being released and that they will continue their life of crime and Americans will be harmed or killed. We do this because the risk of this scenario is preferable to allowing police to torture criminal suspects. Torturing people is abhorrent behavior, as Americans came to believe upon hearing of American soldiers being tortured by various enemies. Would Japan have been justified torturing American soldiers in order to prevent American attacks upon Japanese troops or to prevent attacks that would result in the deaths of Japanese civilians? Would the Vietnamese have been justified in torturing American soldiers to prevent attacks upon Viet Cong or upon Vietnamese non-military persons?

I think not. Why? Because torture is unacceptable regardless of the reasons it is carried out.

Nice. You bring a bunch of examples where innocents, good guys or simple combatants being tortured (or very likely to be tortured). Now why is that? No one here root for torturing this kind of people. I think your lack of morals make it so hard to comprehend the difference between all these kinds of people and islamist terrorists, which is a direct and official policy of the latter to commiting all kinds of attrocities towards innocents, a policy which they put to practice every day and are very proud of it. They are evil (although i guess despite your reference to "bad people" you don't comrhend this concept either). And thus not only there is nothing wrong in harming them, but they actually deserve all they getting (and much more). It's called justice. Sure there can be valid concern what if some innocent be subjected to this, but you "torture is unacceptable regardless" people has never been about that do you?

You hit the spot with your sickening question "what price Americans are willing to pay not to be known as a country that tortures people". You see very few people here are give a fuck about what Europe, Iran or Russia think about USA. And certainly no one here is willing to compromise one innocent life so that you can feel comfortable at next cocktail party in Paris. 

   

 

163 Waterboarding is a mock execution. Mock executions are torture.

By all means, keep defining torture down.  What's next?  Harsh language?

These scumbags, defined as unlawful combatants under the Geneva Conventions, are entitled to summary execution.  The last time I checked, al Queda is not a signatory.

164 I hate to say it but the only thing that is going to stop Obama is islamofascism, and that means dead Americans on American soil.

165

"CIA Confirms: Waterboarding Stopped Planned Al Qaeda Attack on Los Angeles"

 

I don't know, man... is it just me, or is that <b>the best argument for banning waterboarding I ever heard?</b>

166 I was shocked that I came to this conclusion, but I really think that obambi and his people are setting us up for another attack so as to declare martial law, suspend the Constitution and suspend future elections until the crisis has passed.  I honestly believe these people are capable of this.  God help us.

167

Craig:

 

You are the walking, talking example of someone who has never been expoused to danger, never served, in any capability but presume to tell us about torture.

 

It must be wonderful protecting terrorists who cut off people heads when it means that tens of thousands if not hundreds of thousands of your fellow country men could die.  Such morality.

 

Yes don't we all wish to live in a country where our government will not protect the law abidding in order to respect those who thrash the law and seek our blood.

 

Do lecture us on morality and justice.  

 

Its Satan telling Jesus what his teachings should be.

But do continue commentoing its very entertaining to see someone of such incredible experience and attainments lecture us about morality and torture.  Do tell us about SERE training.

 

We all know you've experienced it and can tell us where it goes on, who supervises it, what troops undergo it because you've experienced it.  We all want to hear about your vast combat experience in the military because its clear you're a hardened veteran who has stared death in the face and made life and death decisions and had responsibility for the lives of others.

 

You are proof that there is life after brain death.

 

 

168

Craig's motto:

 

Speak incoherently and carry a limp dick.

 

Ever notice that the same people who say America will not stand for torture kills babies by inserting siccors in their brains and then sucks them out in the partial bith procedure.  So my solution is to do to terrorists what the abortion crowd does to babies.

 

That's so American for the leftwingnuts and something to be proud of.

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