Glenn Beck vs. Charles Johnson

At Stop the ACLU.

LGF's response here.

Posted by: Ace at 08:23 PM



Comments

1 Why bother? I never really knew why I wasn't as big a fan of LGF as so many others seem to be. He did some great work, but I guess my instincts were right. His arguments on this are incredibly weak and he just seems like he thinks he can't be wrong and how dare anyone question him. Too bad really.

Posted by: Silk at April 17, 2009 08:27 PM (kIz/p)

2 It does not change the fact that Charles Johnson is a douchetard of epic proportions.

Posted by: Ex-lizardroid at April 17, 2009 08:29 PM (Ce1ca)

3 How much does Beck need to disavow violence and speak against it before people believe he is not trying to insight violence?

Posted by: dan-O at April 17, 2009 08:29 PM (ZOrUp)

4 100 million times

Posted by: MFn G I M P at April 17, 2009 08:30 PM (NZGGB)

5 Fuck Chuck!

Last cat named chuck that I liked had the fucking intersect in his fucking head.

Posted by: Wickedpinto at April 17, 2009 08:30 PM (uU+Ss)

6 I used to read LGF regularly, but stopped visiting when it went creationist/neo-lib.

Ace beats LGF hands down.

No.
Contest.

Posted by: shibumi at April 17, 2009 08:32 PM (OKZrE)

7 and he comes off as a pussy "a jazz bassist (whats wrong with that?)"

OH FUCKING WAH! He didn't say there was anything wrong with it, It was descriptive you big fat pony tailed at about fifty fucking pussy.

2 people have pony tails at 50. Pussy's and libs. well their's a third, fags who like to have their hair pulled.

It's not a judgment it's a description.

Chaz is acting like an offended inviolable "anchoress" (thanks to "the anchoress" for that reference) who may not be touched or offended.

Nuts up nancy, there aren't speach codes in the rest of the world now go ride your bike in santa monica.

What a fucking low self esteem that guy has.

Posted by: Wickedpinto at April 17, 2009 08:34 PM (uU+Ss)

8 Oh, great. Another day, another name to add to the 75-mile long "enemy list" of Charles "As Belgium Goes, So Goes The World" Johnson.

Posted by: Dr Mabuse at April 17, 2009 08:34 PM (AVYqB)

9 @ 5
Too funny!

Posted by: outraged at April 17, 2009 08:35 PM (penCf)

10 glenn beck didn't lie or exaggerate, he used chucks own history against chuck.

OH! SMEAR! ASSAULT! HURTFUL LIBEL EVIL WORDS! Punk.

Someone dial whine one one and get him a fucking WAAAAAAAAaaaaaaaaaaaaambulance.

Posted by: Wickedpinto at April 17, 2009 08:35 PM (uU+Ss)

11 CJ finds the Chavez handshake sickening but the Saudi Bow is honkey dorey.

Sorry Charlie, you're still a Douche with a capital D.

Posted by: Rocks at April 17, 2009 08:35 PM (3RHzM)

12 Charles can't even do enough research to know that Beck wasn't referring himself to MLK Jr.

Posted by: Brenden at April 17, 2009 08:36 PM (54lqZ)

13 So this is the flame thread?

Cool.

Posted by: shibumi at April 17, 2009 08:37 PM (OKZrE)

14 Ace, curious why you posted this?

Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at April 17, 2009 08:40 PM (AJ4xq)

15 I'm not a fan of "Chucks" - between the assclown who stole a Latin hottie from me, the brainiac jerk-off from high school, and that shit-head Senator Shumer(sp?), this is just another idiot by that name.

I used to like the place, but when I as a mildly practicing X-tian was starting to feel demonized, I had to start to distance myself from the place.

Sure as hell glad I found this place, and Jawa as well.....

Posted by: Crowsting at April 17, 2009 08:41 PM (Ythq1)

16 So, Charles the Decider has several Gold records. So how come no one knows who he is besides the LGF fuehrer?

What's Chuckie's ban count today?

Posted by: kbdabear at April 17, 2009 08:41 PM (miw86)

17 Isn't it Fuehren?

Posted by: Wickedpinto at April 17, 2009 08:43 PM (uU+Ss)

18 I didn't mind LGF until Chuckles started his jihad against religious folks and creationism. And starting banning people for disagreeing him.
He's a bit of a douchenozzle and frankly, deserves any mocking Glenn Beck can come up with.

Posted by: experience smeperience at April 17, 2009 08:44 PM (SJTqf)

19 Actually, Charles Johnson is a great guitar player. Whatever you think of the exchange with Beck, CJ has tremendous respect among his peers in the music business and the world of jazz.

Posted by: ThisSpaceForRent at April 17, 2009 08:45 PM (c6sY+)

20 I think the word you're lookin for is FAILURE.

Posted by: UncleFacts at April 17, 2009 08:46 PM (vZVv7)

21 Oh dear gawd,
I made the mistake of reading some of the comments there. They certainly bow down and kiss Chaz ass don't they?
Not an original thought amoungst them. Lizards my ass, liztards more likely.
skye

Posted by: red raging skye at April 17, 2009 08:47 PM (N5xv1)

22 http://tinyurl.com/cff9fb

Posted by: Winston's Cheek at April 17, 2009 08:48 PM (+WJgT)

23 18: Ditto--the man is a bigot (and I don't mean that in the debased way leftists do, but by the actual definition), through and through.

(And, fuck, I'm not even religious.)

Posted by: ECM at April 17, 2009 08:48 PM (q3V+C)

24 All right. Someone help a guy out here.

Where can I find the Beck side of this smackdown?

I don't read LGF anymore. I refuse to give him the traffic. Chaz has forced his site to devolve into an echo chamber containing only himself and his amen chorus.

He's no longer worthy of my presence.

Chaz, if you or your minions are reading here, and we both know you are, I loved, LOVED this YouTube video. Keep doing what you do, so we can keep laughing at you.

Check it out:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFgKXAphIlc

Posted by: Well Hung Chad at April 17, 2009 08:49 PM (7RtU4)

25 So some freak goes to a 912 meetup, and Glenn takes a look at a conspiracy theory, which he debunked, but still manages to ruffle the feathers of a hyper-sensitive douche who runs a big website. Yeah, let me think about who's side to take.

Posted by: Stan at April 17, 2009 08:50 PM (w4ifd)

26 Funny how people evolve when they get a little pub- LGF reminds me of Sullivans blog ,that was very good until a certain "issue" caused massive brain damage.
Put not your faith in this world- sorry for the religious reference Chucky.

Posted by: jjshaka at April 17, 2009 08:50 PM (utRAI)

27 Charles, very sadly, has gone insane. I started reading his blog not long after 9/11 and the man I came to respect for many years, I simply no longer recognize..he's petty, childish, hypocritical, dishonest, extremely intolerant and, very often, just plain dumb. He bashes Beck for 'sneering' at his former job as jazz musician, then turns right around and sneers at Beck for being an alcoholic. He accuses Beck of 'viciously attacking' him when Beck did nothing of the kind. This after, mind you, Charles said Beck was, in part, responsible for some loon killing 3 cops. Now THAT'S vicious. And stupid. And, anyone read his comments in the threads lately? At times I'm convinced a bitchy 16 year old girl has tied up the real Charles and taken over his blogging duties. He's that immature at times. And then there's his painfully stupid claim that Republicans lost both houses and the Presidency because of...wait for it...creationism! Sure, he didn't have a single actual fact to back up his nonsense but that didn't stop him. He had Google hits! Ugh.

He's become Andrew Sullivan, slowly descending into full blown lunacy. For Andy it was gay marriage, for Charles, creationism that set them off on their sad spiral. They even spew the same idiocy now..both, along with Koz, blamed Beck and other right wingers for the cop killing. He's lost it. Completely. And, it's just very very sad.

Posted by: kit at April 17, 2009 08:51 PM (RmHHF)

28 What I don't understand is why any conservative would even be on that site? He is a leftist dirtbag who doesn't like Muslims.

Whooptie-Fuckin-Doo.

Posted by: Travis at April 17, 2009 08:52 PM (e8HvX)

29
Is it just me, or does Charles Johnson look like Ward Churchill and Janet Reno fucked and this was the result?

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at April 17, 2009 08:52 PM (xGIqT)

30 I followed the link to LGF, and there was the "creationist" word again. What IS the guy's obsession with that alleged "problem"?

And the things he has to say about the over half million hardworking Americans that protested the Obamanization of their country... WHAT A DOUCHE!

Not a site I will EVER visit again - not that I ever did much, anyway.

Posted by: CoolCzech at April 17, 2009 08:52 PM (iafWn)

31 Let's see...Johnson or Beck....hmmmmmmmm.

Beck.

At least I know which side he's on.

Posted by: nickless at April 17, 2009 08:54 PM (MMC8r)

32 www.stoptheaclu.com has Glenn Becks side.

Posted by: Travis at April 17, 2009 08:54 PM (e8HvX)

33 >>> Ace, curious why you posted this?

No reason except the obvious -- people are talking about it. And comment threads fill up with LGF stuff even when they're not about LGF.

I'm neutral. I don't really care about the spat, to tell you the truth.

The odd thing about being a blogger is, at least for me, I don't really read other blogs. I am looking for stuff to post on myself. It may seem like I read Allahpundit a lot, but I don't as much as it seems; I'm mostly scouring him for links.

Which is not to be dismissive of him -- it's just that I'm looking for content I can link myself and then write about. I do read him, but it's mostly skimming.

Anyway, the point is, I don't have anything for or against LGF, or Glenn Beck. (Well, to be honest, I have reservations about him, which I am considering writing, but they're nuanced and quite frankly I don't know if anyone cares enough about my nuanced take her for me to bother spending an hour writing it.)

And that's because I just don't really follow too many other pundits or bloggers.

A lot of the stuff I see being discussed here, I just don't know about, really. I have gathered that LGF is on a creationism tear and so forth, indirectly, through comments here.

I am conflict averse when it comes to people on our own team and don't really like the blog-on-blog fights. Add into that that I'm not really reading other bloggers enough to feel either way about them and it all adds up to "I have no dog in this fight."

OTOH, 90% of the content on this site (more on many days) is in the comments, not the blog, and a lot of times My Dumb Job simply consists of creating a thread that allows people to make their own content. So that's what I'm doing here. Just makin a thread about something people seem to want to disucss.


Posted by: ace at April 17, 2009 08:54 PM (gEsIJ)

34 I had to stop reading Little Green Atheists blog. I'm almos there with HotAir too. The anti-Christianity speal by way of biological evolution is so 1990's. Atheists really need to read up on the current literature in the philosophy of religion.

Posted by: Fyro at April 17, 2009 08:56 PM (1nW1i)

35 @19
Fuck jazz musicians and their respect for each other. Jazz is seven assholes all playing a different fucking song simultaneously. When they're not busy shooting heroin, that is.
I hold jazz musicians in the same contempt as that talentless fuck who wrote A Confederacy of Dunces, but at least he had the decency to kill himself rather than publish it. Which reminds me - fuck his mom for sending in that manuscript.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at April 17, 2009 08:57 PM (xGIqT)

36 >>people on our own team

It won't be that way for long, Ace.

I can't seem to take the hard-core creationists much, but from what I see, CJ has taken it upon himself to make this a bigger wedge issue than it ever had to be.

Glenn is occasionally too much for me too, but he doesn't come off as mean-spirited as half the Frums and CJs do.

Posted by: Stan at April 17, 2009 08:59 PM (w4ifd)

37 I could be ambitious and write that piece I was thinking of, and maybe I will one day (because it's much broader than the CJ/GB fight), but I just can't get up much energy to wade into a fight that seems largely personal between two other guys.

Again, it's just the weird nature of blogging that I actually don't read that many blogs, because most of my hours (apart from my three daily masturbation breaks, of course) are spent looking for news and writing about it.


Posted by: ace at April 17, 2009 08:59 PM (gEsIJ)

38

Charles loves to ride his bicycle.

Without a seat.

Posted by: Tinian at April 17, 2009 09:00 PM (Ohodx)

39 I used to read LGF daily and posted about a dozen or so comments over the years. CJ and his little hatchlings did a great job with the Rather memo and is a staunch supporter of Israel, which is all good by me.

The creationist bugaboo and his tiff with Beck really killed it for me. I posted a message saying that Beck is a bit of a clown, but is essentially an honest guy, and I finally had it with his site and would get my news and opinion elsewhere.

The post was immediately dissected by his sycophantic hordes of reptiles and he killed my account because he personally said there would be an epic meltdown response by yours truly.

Good riddance Chuck. There. What a meltdown, eh?

Posted by: mikey at April 17, 2009 09:00 PM (fvlUJ)

40 14 Ace, curious why you posted this?
Really good point!
Beck is a little fucked up, but CJ has less hits in the entire life of his blog than Beck has viewers in a week.
Get that LGF? You are a pimple onthe ass of progressin the big picture.
Stop acting like you are somebody, you are NOT! You are an entertaining blog for old fuckers with no brains.
Kemp

Posted by: kempermanx at April 17, 2009 09:00 PM (2+9Yx)

41 You can find beck's statement at Pam's place Atlas Shrugged (I don't like her either BTW) if you scroll down her egotistical rants until you see a youtube embedd.

Posted by: Wickedpinto at April 17, 2009 09:01 PM (uU+Ss)

42 yeah, but CJ was never on our team, really, except for the WoT; we all knew that. This isn't a stab in the back or anything.

He's basically a liberal-leaning guy who was righteously outraged by Muslim terrorism. I never expected he'd have my back on any other issue so I can't really work up the sense of betrayal to cast him out.

I'd rather have a liberal CJ against terrorism than have no ally there on any issue.


Posted by: ace at April 17, 2009 09:02 PM (gEsIJ)

43 #35
Well, rage at a musical genre if you must. If you truly don't get it, that's cool. I was just responding to someone who surmised thatno one knows who CJ is outside of LGF, and that's not at all true.
I thought someone might actually want to know that, but I realize that's kind of a long shot.

Posted by: ThisSpaceForRent at April 17, 2009 09:02 PM (c6sY+)

44 Through a weird twist of fate, Charles Johnson accidentally banned himself from LGF.

The error occurred after he mistakenly ranted at a previous post he made that seemed to contradict his current raving.

Laughs were shared by all.

Posted by: Vlaams Belang at April 17, 2009 09:02 PM (+WuMm)

45 as for how he's running his site: Honestly, I don't read him, so I wouldn't know.


Posted by: ace at April 17, 2009 09:03 PM (gEsIJ)

46 btw, thanks for acknowledging the funny, didn't wanna do it too fast, would have made look as needy as a washed up assfuck who likes to ride his bike in santa monica while staying hip with a grey haired pony tail.

Posted by: Wickedpinto at April 17, 2009 09:04 PM (uU+Ss)

47 I watched that on TV and he didn't fucking compare himself to King.

Posted by: The Oort Cloud at April 17, 2009 09:05 PM (nOQXA)

48 Strata Sphere has gone insane as well over the DHS memo - total bat shit - has declared he is an ex-conservative...

Posted by: jane at April 17, 2009 09:06 PM (NUl2C)

49 Thank you for answering me Ace, I like what you wrote (but then I usually do, otherwise I wouldn't hang out here so much).
I've never really gotten into reading LGF so I don't have a dog in the fight either. But, I do think it is strange how many people he seems to ban these days (judging from comments here and across the blogoverse).

Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at April 17, 2009 09:06 PM (AJ4xq)

50 #33
Ace, you are now commenting on your blog, often. Cool.
Er, this is OK, but what has changed? You bored or just getting "involved"?
I like it, but it is a little unsettling to have the chief ewok replying to posts.
Shit, you out of valu rite, or broke up with ewokee?
Kemp

Posted by: kempermanx at April 17, 2009 09:07 PM (2+9Yx)

51 Empire of Jeff @ 35:
I agree with some of your sentiment, but I think you are overstating it a bit. There is definitely some good jazz music out there. A lot of bad stuff too though.

I think the thing that gets me about a lot of jazz musicians (and the music itself sometimes) is how self important they are. They think their music is perfect, and if you don't like it, it is because you don't understand music. Thelonious Monk once said that if you aren't a jazz musician yourself, he didn't want you to show up at his gigs.

A friend of mine once referred to jazz as "musical masturbation", which I think is often true.

Posted by: dan-O at April 17, 2009 09:08 PM (ZOrUp)

52 I'm torn. On one hand, Charles Johnson clearly changed history with his takedown of Dan Rather and his forged memos. On the other, he seems overly fixated on creationism when anyonewith anysense of scaleknows that the issue isa low priority one(e.g., the reason almost half of Detroit can't read ain't due to creationism beingtaught in science classes there). And while I can understand CJ'sstriving to be consistent and even-handed, in the Democrats/neo-Marxists we have a ruthless, principle-free bunch of fuckers who go scorched-earth to win and pretending to be "above it" while savaging the good guys (why not a private e-mail to Glenn Beck rather than various posts taking shots at him?) isn't helping matters anyin the fight against them.

Posted by: Bill Carson at April 17, 2009 09:08 PM (hoGdU)

53 I didn't turn against CJ until he started to turn on everyone.

He used to share links with pam (who I always thought was a fucking memememememe wackjob) now she's an evil nazi racist.

And now, someone that he himself says he never listens to or watches (beck) is one of the most evil people on the planet.

Not to mention his hatred (and that's what it is, hatred) of everyone who believes (and I'm an atheist, and I can smell the derision coming from his hyper active salivary glands when he mentions "creationism.")

The guy used to have good info, but now, he's just fucked it all up, with his cock measuring.

Posted by: Wickedpinto at April 17, 2009 09:09 PM (uU+Ss)

54 I have banned people before. And sometimes I get into spats with readers.

Sometimes I'm just not on the same page with the readers.

I don't know the details with LGF but I know, personally, there have been issues (TARP, Limbaugh's four words) where I strongly feel the readers are wrong and spend hours arguing with them knowing the whole time I am shitting where I eat and yet being unable to stop.

So I can't pounce on LGF for the creationism thing. I ain't gonna lie -- I agree with him (or at least I agree on the underlying question). I don't bring it up myself because I just don't really see any good point in getting into a fight with half of my readers and having one half fighting with the other half.

I can pass on the issue.

Maybe CJ can't. I dunno.


Posted by: ace at April 17, 2009 09:10 PM (gEsIJ)

55
>>I like it, but it is a little unsettling to have the chief ewok replying to posts.

Hell, that's half the reason I keep coming back. There's the bloggers who don't give his readers the time of day, and there's the one's like ace who let you know more about what's going on in the comments.

Posted by: Stan at April 17, 2009 09:10 PM (w4ifd)

56 as for Glen Beck being "a Punk" then I guess that makes Chuck "A Jazz."

Give me industrial over jazz anyday.

You are old old man.

Posted by: Wickedpinto at April 17, 2009 09:12 PM (uU+Ss)

57 I like Beck, and agree with a great deal of what he says on most issues. Or at least don't strenuously disagree with him on most issues. He's waaay to dramatic for my tastes, but I believe he's at least being honest and making an effort to research what he's talking about.
CJ was a good source for GWOT/Israeli news before there were other sources readily available. Like Ace, I knew (becauseCJ said as much) that I was unlikely to agree with much beyond his view of the GWOT, and once his focus shifted off of it, I lost interest in the site. Haven't visited LGF for a few years now, and it sounds like I haven't missed much.

Posted by: Cautiously Pessimistic at April 17, 2009 09:12 PM (ltwze)

58 Well, rage at a musical genre if you must.
Oh, I must. And this is another big reason why:
If you truly don't get it, that's cool.
Because outside of being unlistenable, disjointed monkey shit, fans of jazz tend to be the elitist math nerds of the music world. The same type of tone George Will took in his rant against denim wearers is often found in discussions of jazz. Kinda like someone pointing out the sardonic brilliance of Henry Rollins' latest spoken word album.
Next you'll be telling me you don't like Lynyrd Skynrd.
All of which is beside the point, which is this: I'm a hater. It's what I do. Right now, I'm hating Charles Johnson, and by extension, jazz. Please do not take it as a personal affront - it was not intended that way.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at April 17, 2009 09:14 PM (xGIqT)

59
re: #227 Nevergiveup
Hey do ya know Ace has you up again?
[Link: ace.mu.nu...]
I've given up reading Ace's website. There's only so much hatred I can take.


This is Charles's reply. I like yours better, Ace.

Posted by: coward and I admit it at April 17, 2009 09:14 PM (3KCVn)

60 @52
>>On one hand, Charles Johnson clearly changed >>history with his takedown of Dan Rather and his >>forged memos.

That would be Buckhead at FreeRepublic. Charles created an image that showed what Buckhead said, nothing more.

Posted by: GFYLK at April 17, 2009 09:15 PM (WGTCk)

61 >>> Er, this is OK, but what has changed? You bored or just getting "involved"?

Nothing has changed. I comment sometimes. It depends, really, on whether or not I have anything more to say about a subject or not. A lot of times, honestly, I write something and I'm done with it. If I'd had anything more to say, I would have said it, you know?

it depends on how much time I have, too, and how far behind I feel on any particular day. I always feel behind, because I AM behind, because I get up too late On days where I feel kind of on top of things, because I either got some decent posts up OR because (like today) it's a slow news day, I comment.

I often read comments. In fact, you'd be surprised, I read/skim most comments. But as to actually commenting, depends on the time I have, depends on if I really have anything left to say.

Here, I guess I have stuff to say because I said absolutely nothing at all in the post.


Posted by: ace at April 17, 2009 09:15 PM (gEsIJ)

62 Ace,
I feel your pain. I think you are in NYC, stores open till midnight, here is a list. Go get a bottle.
http://tinyurl.com/dmy2x7
Kemp

Posted by: kempermanx at April 17, 2009 09:15 PM (2+9Yx)

63 One of the differences between the left and right, is that we on the right will rip each other apart on what are really small disagreements.

You can make a strong argument this is why the Left ran out of ideas in the early 60s, but a stronger argument still that this is why we as a country have continued to move left since that point.

Posted by: 18-1 at April 17, 2009 09:16 PM (odYmd)

64 I post occasionally on LGF.
Don't agree with some of what I read, most especially on this latest DHS report, andI DO see more echo chamber lately than I'm comfortable with. Haven't posted there what I just did here, probly will in a day or so. Be interesting to see what happens.

Posted by: irongrampa at April 17, 2009 09:16 PM (ud5dN)

65 which was by design.

My name is Paul and this is between y'all.


Posted by: ace at April 17, 2009 09:17 PM (gEsIJ)

66 I've been listening to Glenn Beck since March of 2002. He was new tothe talk radio station I listen to. As a country we were still in the dark grief and determination of 9/11 and Glenn seemed to echo what I was feeling at the same time. I also appreciated his avid support of the troops. Later on, I realized we were born in the same year and he just talked and sounded like my generation. I appreciated that about him and still do. Is he over the top, yes and sometimes I have to take a break from him, but I always come back because many times what he says that I think is crazy or morose comes to pass. It's kind of eerie really, he has predicted a lot of what has happened. Anyway, I don't think people should just attack him or belittle him until they have listened to him for a few months. It would be like listening to a song on the radio in mono instead of stereo. He is definitely a showman, but it is tempered by his love of this country and his disdain for a corrupt media and the government trying to suck the liberty out of this great nation.

Posted by: Cooper at April 17, 2009 09:17 PM (YCCl3)

67 I've always felt the banhammer around here has been used judiciously and with warnings beforehand. Maybe you've done this and I wasn't paying attention, but it seems like you've never banned people just for disagreeing with you.

Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at April 17, 2009 09:17 PM (AJ4xq)

68
Posted by: GFYLK at April 17, 2009 09:15 PM (WGTCk)
Thanks for the clarification. I recall LGF getting lots of credit for the takedown.

Posted by: mikey at April 17, 2009 09:18 PM (fvlUJ)

69 "I am conflict averse when it comes to people on our own team"

You are, but he isn't. That's the point.

Posted by: someone at April 17, 2009 09:18 PM (7KUMK)

70 52 I'm torn. On one hand, Charles Johnson clearly changed history with his takedown of Dan Rather and his forged memos.
You might what to check that. I think it was Buckhead on Freerepublic that exposed the memos as fake.

Posted by: Tami at April 17, 2009 09:19 PM (1kwr2)

71 >>>You are, but he isn't. That's the point.

Eh, not completely. I've been busting O'Reilly's chops for a while. I have called Hannity a "meathead."

Etc.

Posted by: ace at April 17, 2009 09:21 PM (gEsIJ)

72 Ace,
Posted my post #62 before yours showed up, don't want you to think it was a reply to #61. Just saying, i am not trying to be an asshole.
Love ya mean it!
Kemp

Posted by: kempermanx at April 17, 2009 09:22 PM (2+9Yx)

73 My name is Paul and this is between y'all.

Eroo?

Posted by: Wickedpinto at April 17, 2009 09:23 PM (uU+Ss)

74 70

So who really deserves credit for the takedown? I really doubt it was a deliberately cooperative effort that resulted in equal credit. Not that it really matters.

Posted by: Stan at April 17, 2009 09:23 PM (w4ifd)

75 I do not have much of an opinion of Beck at all really. To me he is just another buzzing fly trying to get my attention and I tend to just swat it away. I used to be a regular reader of LGF but the never ending Anti-Creationism articles ended that along with the comment deletion and then being banned for asking a simple question of why he was so adamant about the topic. The guy is a self-absorbed asshole and seems to feed on the collective ass kissing that his commenters parade on him. Anything that does not agree with him gets deleted.

Posted by: ZeroDamage at April 17, 2009 09:23 PM (lquvA)

76 I have been on the fence with this whole issue. LGF was my introduction to the world of blogging during the 06 election. I've learned a lot over there, mostly about islamoshit and gotten a better perspective on the entire middle east situation. I visited there daily, just ignored the posts I wasn't interested in discussing (mostly the whole creationism bs). I heard the complaints about the banning, and even stuck up for LGF once or twice. But, in the last week or so...

I understood his point about the Obama bow, but he absolutely refused to tolerate anyone's pov that was even slightly different than his. People who were trying to have a civil discussion were banned. That raised a flag. Then, the comments about the tea parties. And finally, yesterday, the whole Beck thing. For the record, I'm a little uncomfortable with GB as well, he's been a bit over the top.

Then, a day or so ago, Charles got his pants in a tizzy about Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh having advertisements for Alex Jones on during their programs. Anyone here at AOSHQ have any insight into the Clear Channel side of this? How much control a radio/TV commentator has over the advertising aired during their shows? Rush and Glenn aren't personally endorsing Jones (no 'sleep number' type personal endorsements), and I recall hearing democrat commericals during the last election.

Posted by: Hell's bellyache at April 17, 2009 09:23 PM (/DOic)

77 Is that real or a turn of phrase?

Cuz if you are MY paul, then some of us were worried about you.

Posted by: Wickedpinto at April 17, 2009 09:23 PM (uU+Ss)

78 Eh, not completely. I've been busting O'Reilly's chops for a while. I have called Hannity a "meathead."

Etc.

Posted by: ace at April 17, 2009 09:21 PM (gEsIJ)

Do you dedicate a third of your posting efforts to take down Hannity? And O'Reilly is no conservative to begin with.

This intercine warfare that LGF is going into now is one of the problems that right has overall. We have Obama looting the treasury, and they are concerned about whether or not someone, somewhere might be a creationist.

Posted by: 18-1 at April 17, 2009 09:24 PM (odYmd)

79 Ace, I just love that the first thing you said to Pam was "you have nice jugs". HA!! She says she hasn't spoken to you since! Hey, sweetheart, take the shirt of, move around a little,andSTFU becausethe boys aretalkin' over here.

Posted by: Winston's Cheek at April 17, 2009 09:25 PM (+WJgT)

80 That alex jones thing bothers me a lot.

I fucking hate alex jones like I hate poison.

Fox had him on as a guest a few weeks back -- was that Beck? Not sure.

I can understand a visceral reaction to that.


Posted by: ace at April 17, 2009 09:25 PM (gEsIJ)

81 That's pam, she stirs shit, thinking it makes her awesome, it doesn't it makes her look crazy.

Posted by: Wickedpinto at April 17, 2009 09:25 PM (uU+Ss)

82 O'Reilly has become an insufferable, self-aggrandizing blowhard.

But, he has Megyn Kelly, Laura Ingraham, Bernie Goldberg and Dennis Miller on his show all the time.

So there's that.

Posted by: mikey at April 17, 2009 09:25 PM (fvlUJ)

83 So who really deserves credit for the takedown? I really doubt it was a deliberately cooperative effort that resulted in equal credit. Not that it really matters.

Posted by: Stan at April 17, 2009 09:23 PM (w4ifd)

Buckhead found the issue, CJ made it easy to see that they were forgeries. Credit to both, IMO.

Posted by: 18-1 at April 17, 2009 09:26 PM (odYmd)

84 >>>Is that real or a turn of phrase?

a turn of phrase. it's from some tarantino movie.

Posted by: ace at April 17, 2009 09:26 PM (gEsIJ)

85 Alex Jones is a Seditionist, isn't that still illegal or something?

Posted by: Wickedpinto at April 17, 2009 09:26 PM (uU+Ss)

86 Fuck jazz musicians and their respect for each other. Jazz is seven
assholes all playing a different fucking song simultaneously. When
they're not busy shooting heroin, that is.

I've always called jazz the musical equivalent of 5 or 6 musicians trying to cut each other off in traffic. It pretty much lost its appeal after the Coffeehouse Stalinists of the 50s found other things to do.

I figure if you want to plot a mafia hit and don't want anyone to around to hear you, do it in a jazz club.


Posted by: kbdabear at April 17, 2009 09:26 PM (miw86)

87 I might have been unhappy with you had you been MY Paul. We think he's dead.

Posted by: Wickedpinto at April 17, 2009 09:27 PM (uU+Ss)

88 >>I can understand a visceral reaction to that.

Dittos. I doubt it was Beck. I think 'Judge' Napalitano had him on or something. And what's with all the formerly sane rightwing blogs getting stories from infowars???

Posted by: Stan at April 17, 2009 09:27 PM (w4ifd)

89 79--

I really didn't say that at all.



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Posted by: royalmewigs at April 17, 2009 09:28 PM (YRTmg)

91 Ace,
You've been more prolific in your posting and commenting since you ditched the girlfriend. And more funny, too. Thanks for telling that life-draining skirt to hit the bricks.
Unless you're back together, in which case I'm so happy for you! Congratulations! She sounds really nice.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at April 17, 2009 09:28 PM (xGIqT)

92 >>>And what's with all the formerly sane rightwing blogs getting stories from infowars???

Same thing that happened to the left under Bush -- some are going a little bit crazy and their judgment and bullshit-detectors have become impaired.

I'm trying to walk the fine line between lucid anger and crazy anger.


Posted by: ace at April 17, 2009 09:28 PM (gEsIJ)

93 "Eh, not completely. I've been busting O'Reilly's chops for a while. I have called Hannity a "meathead.""

Yeah, but we tend to agree with you.

Anyway, the point is that CJ has gotten so (and so vehemently) anti-right that it's no longer just a tic, it's his thing. Meanwhile his WoT and Muslim Jew-hatred coverage has dried up to nothing. For a guy who was until recently employing a big chunk of the right-wing blogosphere, it's pretty out-there stuff.

CJ
(whee!)
shark

Posted by: someone at April 17, 2009 09:28 PM (7KUMK)

94 I lost it for pam when she started doing the bikini vlog thing.

I clicked it cuz she don't have a bad body, but she talked the same way she blogs.

She's fucking crazy.

Posted by: Wickedpinto at April 17, 2009 09:29 PM (uU+Ss)

95 RE: Alex Jones adverts: does the buck stop with the big boss? How much control do they have over adverstising on 5,000 plus stations?

For the record, Jones is below the scum that grows under pond scum.

Posted by: Hell's bellyache at April 17, 2009 09:29 PM (/DOic)

96 Charles is pretty much the typical Westside LA - Hollywood type. He gets some success and after a while he thinks universal knowledge and wisdom radiates from his ass.

Pamela is a drama queen who lives in equal fear or menopause and that the guy reading her water meter is going to whip out a gun and drag her off to a concentration camp

Put the two of them in a cage match to the death and shoot whoever crawls out.

Posted by: kbdabear at April 17, 2009 09:30 PM (miw86)

97 82 O'Reilly has become an insufferable, self-aggrandizing blowhard.But, he has Megyn Kelly, Laura Ingraham, Bernie Goldberg and Dennis Miller on his show all the time.So there's that.
WINNER! And SO TRUE!
Kemp

Posted by: kempermanx at April 17, 2009 09:30 PM (2+9Yx)

98 You know, I really want answers to some very hard hitting questions.
How does lacewigs guy decide which post to spam every night? And does he spam at the same time every night? And why does he sometimes sell wedding dresses instead? And, has anyone besides me actually been tempted to buy one, even knowing it is probably some awful credit card scam or something?

Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at April 17, 2009 09:30 PM (AJ4xq)

99 If after weeks of canchre's my junk smells like alex jones, I will have it cut off that's how crazy the guy is.

Posted by: Wickedpinto at April 17, 2009 09:31 PM (uU+Ss)

100 Ace,
Write you post about this but tie it to the larger issue of blogger mentality overall pertaining to pet issues which are the root of most of the battles.

I read LGF some but by the time registration opened up I said forget it. CJ thinks he's got a winning issue in Evolution and writes about it way more than is warranted. The bottom line is nobody gives a shit. Other than answers for a class they take in school nobody cares about the issue. He makes the fundamental mistake of thinking if you can "disprove" part of the Bible you've disproved Christianity. But He's forgotten most people don't believe in Creationism so they are Christians, but are Christians so they accept Creationism. Putting aside the fact that you don't have to be relgious at all to accept Intelligent Design. In the end people just really could care less it's like arguing over whother a tomato is a fruit or a vegtable, or is pluto is a planet.




Posted by: Rocks at April 17, 2009 09:31 PM (3RHzM)

101 >> I have called Hannity a "meathead."

You are NOT a great American, Ace.

Posted by: Sean Hannity at April 17, 2009 09:31 PM (ZOrUp)

102 One of things you have to admit about Ace's place, he will argue passionately about his point of view, you can fight with him and in the morning...you are not banned.

That is pretty cool.

Posted by: Vlaams Belang at April 17, 2009 09:31 PM (+WuMm)

103 Ace, I appreciate the link. Just so you know, I had no dog in the fight either. I posted on it for the same reason as you, cuz I knew it was something people would talk about. I watched the creationsim thing, and I watched Charles ban lots of people. I watched his war against Atlas Shrugs and Jihad Watch. I don't like blog wars and especially don't like being in the middle of them. I stated very carefully that I wasn't taking sides. After Glenn Reynolds linked it though, Charles decided my account there needed blocked. He bans everyone he disagrees with, and thats fine. Its his blog. But just for the record, he's lost every crumb of credibility and respect he gained in all his definitive blogging. At least with me, and hundreds of others. Just take a look at my comment section.

Posted by: Jay at April 17, 2009 09:32 PM (vEDvL)

104 What's disturbing about CJ isn't that he opposes creationism, it's the utter lack of proportion about it, considering there are much bigger fish to fry. Johnny can't read, write, count or know basic history and Chuckie is frightened that he won't become a research science Ph.D. One can't help but agree that he has indeed gone insane.

Posted by: JB at April 17, 2009 09:32 PM (rVxHX)

105 As far as supporting Glenn Beck, I agree with the guy on most stuff but his deliverycan get on my nerves. I like Rush and Hannity too but they can get a little pedantic. Of the three, Rush brings the freshest perspective to most liberal bulshit and hits it on the head. Ace, his bloggers and commenters are the closest to me on every basis. Smart, wickedly funny and not afraid to call a spade a spade (hey libtards I am revering to a shovel). Yeah I don't go along with the Creationist thing but I believe in God and I want every one of our dogs in this fight. so Beck is welcome, as is Rush, Hannity Ace and the lot. I do think we need to keep hammering the RINO's. They canget with the program or get lost.

Posted by: Dan at April 17, 2009 09:33 PM (ygjiI)

106 #91
Shit I had no idea my #50 post was so close to home.
Funny how you can smell that shit on the internet.
May the force be with you.
Kemp

Posted by: kempermanx at April 17, 2009 09:33 PM (2+9Yx)

107 As one of Charles Johnson's faithful readers for many years, I want to rebut some of the unfair attacks against him.

First of all, the comments to the effect of "Charles is a fag" are incredibly immature and lame. I don't know what his sexual preferences are, but I'm pretty sure they're none of your fucking business.

Second, the idea that he's some sort of "betrayer" is wrong. He didn't betray us. He was honest and upfront from the very beginning that he's socially liberal. He doesn't owe us anything. If he wants to go in a different direction, well, that's how he feels.

What's happening is a divorce. I've seen it before, in the real world. I saw a certain couple constantly bickering over pointless things. I didn't realize it at the time, but they didn't really care about those little things. They just wanted to pick fights with each other. That's what Charles Johnson is doing to us now. He's deliberately picking fights by deliberately taking stupid positions, like that it's no big deal for Obama to bow to the Saudis, or that the Tea Parties are dangerous.

He wants to break up with us. I'm not sure he himself realizes it yet. We've just got to let him go. It's been fun. We have some good memories--especially Rathergate. That was awesome.

Charles' tireless work over the past seven years to expose Palestinian terrorists, political leaders, and media (Pallywood) for the hate-filled monsters that they are, and showing the dishonesty and vileness of the Palestinians' sympathizers, is something that we will always have.

I want you all to join me in thanking Charles Johnson for his contributions to the cause of conservatism, even though he isn't one of us and never pretended to be, over the past seven years. We should all wish him well on whatever he wants to do from here on out.

I said pretty much the same thing on his blog a few days ago and I was banned for it. Whatever. Don't be one of those insane obsessed trolls who refuses to move on. Don't act like you're entitled to have Charles Johnson agree with you.

Posted by: Daryl Herbert at April 17, 2009 09:34 PM (vpcJV)

108 My point here is that like lawfare-waging terrorists or George Soros, CJ has no intention of reciprocating comity, so why are you (or anyone) extending it?

Posted by: someone at April 17, 2009 09:34 PM (7KUMK)

109 I wasn't really paying attention to LGFs new bent until people starting ragging on it here - now that I'm paying attention it is sort of obvious.

I would read LGF for useful updates on the GWOT and what's the latest IslamoFacist outrage - but the site is useless for that now. Any suggestions of a better site to monitor?

Posted by: Comrade Arthur at April 17, 2009 09:35 PM (FBHMi)

110 Rantburg is as useful as ever

Posted by: someone at April 17, 2009 09:37 PM (7KUMK)

111 Tell Beck to get in line behind Robert Spencer.

I had no idea CJ was so ban happy. I read the site daily for years but the whole creationism kick was just getting old. When I made a snide comment concerned that he didn't tie a post about jimmy carter to creationism, I got banned. It was such a weak comment that it really shocked me that he got pissy and banned me over it.

Posted by: Tokin42 at April 17, 2009 09:37 PM (q/ZAl)

112 Charles is not just a blogger, jazz musician and bike rider, but he codes software too!

Coming Soon!

LGF BAN-O-MATIC 1.0

Autobanning tool for control freak bloggers who are getting swamped with manual banning, this tool uses keyword based recognition parameters to automatically and instantly ban those undesirable Creationists, EuroNazis, Tea Baggers, Glenn Beck cultists, etc.

Example of Ban-O-Matic 1.0 instant ban words: creationist, Christian, God, Pamela Geller, Glenn Beck, Tea Party, Ron Paul, Baron Bodissey, Gert Wilders, Schwinn, Stratocaster, you're wrong, I'm right.....

Posted by: kbdabear at April 17, 2009 09:38 PM (miw86)

113 #107
Daryl Herbert,
Well said. I stopped giving him hits a year ago.
This cocksucking blog rules!
Kemp

Posted by: kempermanx at April 17, 2009 09:38 PM (2+9Yx)

114 We should all wish him well on whatever he wants to do from here on out.I said pretty much the same thing on his blog a few days ago and I was banned for it.

Am I the only one who finds that funny?

Posted by: Hongqi at April 17, 2009 09:38 PM (+WuMm)

115 'I ain't gonna lie -- I agree with him (or at least I agree on the underlying question)'

So do I. So, if he's managed to drive me off, I can only imagine how people who are creationists feel...especially since he now routinely uses 'creationist' as a dirty word. He actually reports on who is or isn't in the comments if a poster says something vaguely at odds with him. He actually runs off, checks the poster's previous comments and reports back, 'rickdc is a creationist' when the poster's comment had nothing to do with the subject of creationism.

I don't believe in creationism..I'm an atheist but I don't think believers are loons. I have a friend who is Mormon and a creationist and can't imagine dismissing her every opinion on any subject simply because I disagree with her about evolution. She's a devout woman and she takes it on faith and I respect that. She's also intelligent, kind, generous and agrees with me on most other political issues.

Posted by: kit at April 17, 2009 09:39 PM (RmHHF)

116 Charles Johnson is essentially dishonest.

He claims Bush bowed to the Saudi monarch when he knows perfectly well he did not.

He basically claims every anti-Jihadist but him is a Nazi or secretly wants to be a Nazi, or is a neo-Nazi, or once met a Nazi...etc.

He bans anyone who dares to disagree with him in any way.

He is the Keith Olbermann of the internet.

Posted by: Travis at April 17, 2009 09:39 PM (e8HvX)

117
I jusr had what I believe to be a close miss with the banhammer at LGF. Im still there, but I suppose that I should have seen it coming.
It looks to me like Charles Johnson is caught is a tough situation:
- Lots of traffic
- No time to read all posts to clearly get their intent based on the writing,
- Stuck with having to defend his name.
He needs a staff. Probably another 3 or 4 moderators in the same room with him, to balance the reading load, might do it. But this costs money.

Posted by: Arbalest at April 17, 2009 09:39 PM (X/J0N)

118 I have often stated, how far to the left of Stalin do you need to be to consider nazis to be right-wing.

LGF now has on it's homepage a story damning O for sucking up to a left-wing commie and another story on a right-wing nazi. This in support ofthe report.

To be fair, it does have one saying that making too much of the torture memo trivializes victims of real torture.

Then again, a couple supporting the report re: vets.

And one messing with Texas.

Posted by: Druid at April 17, 2009 09:39 PM (nFeDb)

119 "She's fucking crazy."

It took you this long to figure it out?

That said, I'd totally still watch a WP vlog.

Posted by: someone at April 17, 2009 09:39 PM (7KUMK)

Posted by: zmdavid at April 17, 2009 09:40 PM (GucAb)

121 And if THAT doesn't get Charles to reinstate your account, Daryl, then what?
You don't have to be an actual homosexual to be a "fag". Why so sensitive on a stranger's behalf?
And I'll join you in thanking Charles for his contributions to the conservative cause right after I'm done hosting the Benedict Arnold Appreciation Dinner in recognition of his victory over the British at Fort Ticonderoga.
Right before he defected to the British.
On second thought, fuck both of 'em.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at April 17, 2009 09:40 PM (xGIqT)

122 Ace, I think it might be necessary to have someone point out that
pushing creationism ("ID") on the rest of us is not ok. Someone needs to be the "bad guy"
on this issue and say it out loud.


I think too many people simply choose not to respond to creationists,
giving people the impression that they have more support than they
actually do.


CJ has been merely pushing it too hard and alienating too many people.
Not to mention all the banning.

Posted by: Last Minute Moron at April 17, 2009 09:40 PM (XGfNC)

123 The problem with Creationism for the Right, isn't that a few kids in Texas are going to get a bad biology lesson and be locked out of a promising career smashing fruit flies, its that political support or acquiescence to the Creationist's agenda will be a scarlet letter on any candidate seeking a broader base of support (RINOs, Catholics, Reagan Democrats, etc.). Debating the political impact of supporting Creationalism is a valid topic for a mainstream blog, I disagree with Charles Johnson on the depth and frequency of coverage he gives it. I my opinion he should have spun it off as a new blog.

His campaign against the European neo-fascists was legitimate - for a US audience. Here in the US we would not tolerate a conservative with a fascist taint, and hopefully in the long run neither will the Europeans. Unfortunately, Europeans might not care and certainly don't apprieciate an American critizing them on the topic. Europe needs a WF Buckley to slap that shit down; but he has to be a European.

In the end it is his sandbox. I apprieciate his web development skills and find the link viewer very useful; however, the lack of topics tends to make the threads too long for my tastes.

And remember I got banned too, if I had not been making my argument about a protest at tthe LA Times I would be making it now - and getting banned now during these Tea Parties. Do you think the press would be ignoring us if instead of a half a million tax payers carrying signs, we were carrying rifles (with some flags and some pipes).

Posted by: Jean at April 17, 2009 09:41 PM (xCBQ4)

124 >>>I agree with the guy on most stuff but his delivery can get on my nerves.

I am allergic to large quantities of earnestness and Glenn Beck drips the stuff.

I also wonder sometimes if earnestness is feigned. Some people fake it to appear heroic. Other people avoid it and pose instead as anti-heroes. Limbaugh and coulter are like that.

I don't like earnestness maybe because it then requires me to ask "Is this all for real?" and then decide if I'm going to treat the earnest guy as a hero. I don't feel that with Coulter or Limbaugh. They don't invite me to consider them heroic.

O'Reilly grates on me because of the heroic posturing, the fucking "looking out for the folks" bullshit.

I don't want to be confronted with a would-be hero for me when I'm looking for news and opinion. I don't want that kind of personal involvement. The ironists like Limbaugh and Coulter and Krauthammer don't ask for that -- they're chilly, anti-heroic, puckish, etc. -- but when someone's doing the heavy emoting at me, I get turned off. I just don't want to engage with a pundit on that level.


Posted by: ace at April 17, 2009 09:42 PM (gEsIJ)

125 Well, I seem to be the last commenter at AOSHQ who actually likes Charles Johnson. If people want to disagree with things he's actually said, that's fine. But when did he ever advocate atheism or claim that Christianity is disproved? What he's done is to criticize a superstition, creationism/intelligent design, which many Christians have criticized. And by the way, I posted a comment on LGF just a couple of days ago, disagreeing with Charles about the tea parties. Amazingly enough, I didn't get banned. Maybe that's because I kept my comments civil, instead of personally attacking him.

Posted by: Jack Bauer's Evil Brother at April 17, 2009 09:42 PM (02gCE)

126 Saddest part of all of this is that LGF used to be,

"The Blog That Fact-Checked Your Ass"

Posted by: Druid at April 17, 2009 09:42 PM (nFeDb)

127 LGF is a joke. Living off old glory. Sound like NY Times?
Ace will overtake his sorry ass this year. Even WITHthe cocksucker comments.
Unless that bitch in Canada keeps posting pron.
Kemp

Posted by: kempermanx at April 17, 2009 09:43 PM (2+9Yx)

128 ..right after I'm done hosting the Benedict Arnold Appreciation Dinner...

Ouch, sides hurting...

Posted by: Hongqi at April 17, 2009 09:43 PM (+WuMm)

129 My neighbor had a three year old boy who acted like a little shithead: a nasty fuckin' little brat. He'd do some crazy shit - take a dump on the carpet, piss onthe cat - after a while enough is enough. So, like any adult would, you'd yell at the little prick to cut the shit. But what would this little bastard do when you'd yell at him to stop the madness? To stop pissing on the cat and jerking the dog off on the indoor vegetable garden? He'd cover his ears, scream, and RUN AFTERYOU trying to kickyou in the nuts! You couldn't talk to him. You couldn't get through to him. He'd just cover his ears, scream bloody fuckin' fuck-all, and kick you in the coin purse. I thought I'd never see that kid again. I thought I'd never see such behavior again. Well, that's Charles. He won't listen to you. You can't get through to him. He's too busy running around screaming and kicking people in the nuts simply for trying to tell him to reconsider shitting on the carpet.

Posted by: Winston's Cheek at April 17, 2009 09:43 PM (+WJgT)

130 I used to comment at LGF a lot, one day I stopped because I realized lots of the criticism of Charles was true. He's basically a radical separation of church and state guy. When he quotes the First Amendment, he only states the establishment clause, that's a dead giveaway.

Posted by: zmdavid at April 17, 2009 09:44 PM (GucAb)

131 You know, as I mentioned in a previous thread I've been at LGF since 2002, posted a gazillion comments (most before registration, though I still have a day-one account), went to the first LGF meetups, etc...

But I should have known this would happen from day one. Why?

Charles is a Mac user.

(duck)

Posted by: someone at April 17, 2009 09:44 PM (7KUMK)

132 It's a den of Zionism. Not that there's anything wrong with that.

Chas banned me a while back. Not for any comment I made, but because I dared to down-ping one of his loyal followers. Nothing more, that was it.

I got into blogging about a year ago and everyone told me that his was so stellar. I never saw that. This place on the other hand. Ace is right at the top of the list.

Posted by: The Big Feed at April 17, 2009 09:46 PM (nBKay)

133 "It's a den of Zionism."

Erm, if you (or anyone reading) are planning to follow this up with some Jew-hate, Ace has got a banhammer too, and uses it for that shit.

Just sayin'.

Posted by: someone at April 17, 2009 09:47 PM (7KUMK)

134 And by the way, I posted a comment on LGF just a couple of days ago, disagreeing with Charles about the tea parties. Amazingly enough, I didn't get banned. Maybe that's because I kept my comments civil, instead of personally attacking him.
Or maybe it's because you ARE Charles Johnson - ISN'T IT, CHARLES?

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at April 17, 2009 09:48 PM (xGIqT)

135
Charles is pretty much the typical Westside LA - Hollywood type. He
gets some success and after a while he thinks universal knowledge and
wisdom radiates from his ass.Pamela is a drama queen who lives
in equal fear or menopause and that the guy reading her water meter is
going to whip out a gun and drag her off to a concentration camp Put the two of them in a cage match to the death and shoot whoever crawls out.

I'd shoot her. After I banged her hard and then ATM'd her.

Posted by: thebronze at April 17, 2009 09:48 PM (1okiD)

136 Jean at April 17, 2009 09:41 PM (xCBQ4)

1) Always best to worry about raising your own children and leave the raising of others to their parents. It's their job, not yours. That's what freedom is all about.

2) Children grow up and form their own opinions. Learn their own facts. You know, kind of like Darwin. They are not mindless robots being programmed.

Posted by: GFYLK at April 17, 2009 09:48 PM (Keg+M)

137 Don't give a rat's ass either way.
That said, Charles has street cred. He's been there and done that for a lot of us. He is as much a part of the old guard on the net as Lucianne or Instie.
Glenn Beck, new guy. He hasn't earned our respect yet.

Posted by: Chuck Simmins at April 17, 2009 09:48 PM (gnipF)

138 Sorry about #120, don't know how I got a blank comment, I wasn't trying to.

Posted by: zmdavid at April 17, 2009 09:49 PM (GucAb)

139 I never cared for LGF, even back with the Rathergate stuff. I listen to Beck some. He's sort of like Coulter to me. I usually agree with them on the subject at hand, but I'm not convinced that they're sincere about what they're saying.

I once bought a book by Beck, back before he was big. On the back cover of the book it has Beck standing on some podium waving at a cheering crowd. Just glancing at the picture one would think the crowd was cheering at Beck, but on closer inspection they were cheering at someone to the left of him.

I never forgot that, it was some pretty weak shit.

Posted by: Toad at April 17, 2009 09:49 PM (RZhpS)

140 Oh yeah, well, Eastern NC BBQ is the best, and fuck the rest of you all.
It's pork, you asshole mohammedans, so you can eat it, ha ha!
Good night!
Kemp

Posted by: kempermanx at April 17, 2009 09:49 PM (2+9Yx)

141 Oh...and blogger please...jazz musician? What kind of candy ass calling card is that? This is America. Rock n' roll or sit down.

This is what I do with my guitar.

http://www.thebigfeedblog.com/2009/02/and-now-some-music-from-my-favorite.html

Posted by: The Big Feed at April 17, 2009 09:50 PM (nBKay)

142 Hey Sharmuta, or is that Charles, get off your anti- religion anti Beck thing and start talking about the real problems out there. Get off your high horse.I used to really enjoy posting there.Once you started in on your anti-creationist phase it got boring...

Posted by: Donna at April 17, 2009 09:50 PM (p6dZy)

143 119

that was prior to the '06 election, actually I think it was almost immediately after Ace met Allah (it's a love story, coming to a screen near you) at one of Karol's meet-up's, shit might have been mid aught 5.

She had this thing to collect hits, because she was recognized but still a relatively small blogger, so she offered up a special series of Vlogs of her in a bikini in the ocean or something like that.

And she sounded completely oversmoked NY/NJ JAP and what she she said was just insane.

I thought her attitude on her blog was a schtick, like with ace and like me and like others, but, no, She's THAT FUCKING CRAZY!!

Posted by: Wickedpinto at April 17, 2009 09:50 PM (uU+Ss)

144 Glenn Beck, new guy. He hasn't earned our respect yet.

Who is this "our" you speak of?

Posted by: Hongqi at April 17, 2009 09:51 PM (+WuMm)

145 LGF ain't shit compared to AoSHQ, neither is HotAir BTW, why?

Wit.

You can say what you want about anything but the funny puts it over the top.
HA is pretty good, LGF got nothing.

Posted by: Rocks at April 17, 2009 09:51 PM (3RHzM)

146 Texas BBQ is the best Kemp. 2nd would be KC BBQ. NC BBQ meh.

Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at April 17, 2009 09:52 PM (AJ4xq)

147 133....That ain't hew hating. I'm pro Israel. I am not a Zionist. I see a distinction. In my mind, it's a matter of tolerating opposing view points. One does, the other doesn't. Don't read anything into that comment. I.e., don't Beck me.

Posted by: The Big Feed at April 17, 2009 09:53 PM (nBKay)

148 Vlogs of her in a bikini

I really can't trust that without a link...

Okay, I'm just lazy...but a link would be cool.

Posted by: Hongqi at April 17, 2009 09:53 PM (+WuMm)

149 I want you all to join me in thanking Charles Johnson for his
contributions to the cause of conservatism, even though he isn't one of
us and never pretended to be, over the past seven years. We should all
wish him well on whatever he wants to do from here on out.

I never thought of Charles as a conventional conservative or even anything but a 9-11 second-thought kind of guy. I didn't see Charles pulling his blog from the nomination for Best Conservative blog either though. I think he's like Peggy Noonan and the like, he wants the label in order to bring in the traffic as being a liberal just makes him a face in the crowd. He's discovered he gets lots of attention for being a "conservative" who bashes conservatives.

The Democrats had their purges and intranacine battles from 2000-2006, so it's no surprise that the same thing is happening to us now that happened from 1990-1994..

Your theory that Charles wants to walk away from it all makes sense. He's been at this since 2001 and may have finally burned out on it. Like many pioneers much is owed to him, but after a while it's time for them to go, and maybe he knows it deep down.

It's said that many crusaders end their days much as the enemy who was taken down. Dan Rather behaved much like Nixon in his Watergate days, and now Charles himself seems to be ending much like his greatest conquest, Dan Rather.

Posted by: kbdabear at April 17, 2009 09:55 PM (miw86)

150

CJ had his day in the sun.

When Pajamas Media first tried to get up and running CJ showed up for the meeting -- and blew off everybody to ride his bike around.

I sensed something was going very wrong over there when he went all jihad on Gates of Vienna and everybody else who didn't call Vlaams Belang a facist neo-nazi threat to the entire world. I don't follow European politics closely, however, I trust the Power Line gang to be level headed and they didn't find Vlaams Belang to be the Bogey Man CJ did.

Then came CJ's totally over the fucking top she-who-will-not-be-named styled obsession over creationism. That kind of obsession is a symptom of an unhealthy mind. So right now he rates on my list right next to kooks like Mike Newdow and Madalyn Murray O'Hair.

He's a fucking nut anymore. It's kinda sad but that's just the way things are.

Posted by: Tinian at April 17, 2009 09:55 PM (Ohodx)

151 GFYLK @ 136

OK, I confused, how does that relate to my comment?

Posted by: Jean at April 17, 2009 09:56 PM (xCBQ4)

152 LGF ain't shit compared to AoSHQ, neither is HotAir BTW, why?

Wit.

You can say what you want about anything but the funny puts it over the top.
HA is pretty good, LGF got nothing.

HA's post editing software was written some time this millennium unlike a certain other site I could mention...

Oh
Snap.

Posted by: 18-1 at April 17, 2009 09:57 PM (odYmd)

153 122

I disagree.

I'm an atheist, a rather verbal one, but I'm not a dick about it. If Charles wants to say Creationism shouldn't be taught in GOVERNMENT MANDATED educational programs,then I agree, but isn't he missing the part about the "GOVERNMENT MANDATED" part of the education system to begin with?

When I went to school my teachers addressed this very easily, without offending faith.

"now, many of us are of faith and believe in a particular way in which the way that the world was created, but that is faith, this is a science class, and we are pursuing the best method of creation that we can based on the information we have. Until that changes, this is what we know and what we believe."

THERE! intelligent design defunct, now to science.

Science is not "LISTEN YOU RETARDED CHRISTIANS!!!"

Anyways, If Chas wanted to oppose young earthers (I know young earthers) then fine, but don't act like they are retired, they believe what they believe, just don't let them pass a geology or astrophysics course.

Chas wants to STOMP IT THE FUCK OUT!

You know what I hate Chas? Bass players who think they deserve center stage.

Kip Winger wasn't a bad bass player, but he should be burnt to death because he was stupid enough to think people wanted to hear a fucking bass solo!

(exemptions offered to myung, shaka zulu, and vic wooten)

Posted by: Wickedpinto at April 17, 2009 09:58 PM (uU+Ss)

154 @ 60 70 ...
That would be Buckhead at FreeRepublic. Charles created an image that showed what Buckhead said, nothing more.
I stand corrected for not citing Buckhead. That said, Charles did his part in pushing the issue. FWIW, I completely agree with him re creationism: it's not science and belongs elsewhere in any curriculum in which it is discussed. But one has to wonder why the hard-on for fighting creationism when so many other big things are going on. And good on Ace for running suchan open and free-wheelingblog:he allowsroom for dissent, scraps with his commenters on occasionand readily admits when he's wrong (or when he thinks his audience is fucked). LGF can't even come close.

Posted by: Bill Carson at April 17, 2009 09:58 PM (hoGdU)

155 >> 147
133....That ain't hew hating. I'm pro Israel. I am not a Zionist. I
see a distinction. In my mind, it's a matter of tolerating opposing
view points. One does, the other doesn't. Don't read anything into
that comment. I.e., don't Beck me.

What the fuck are you talking about ? Zionism is support for the creation of a state for Jews in their homeland. Now that they have it, it is support for the continuation of that state.

Sorry to come down on you like this, but that was pretty dumb.

Posted by: dan-O at April 17, 2009 09:59 PM (ZOrUp)

156 I would give Charles Johnson mad props if he would package up and sell his blog engine to other Conservative bloggers.

Posted by: Jean at April 17, 2009 10:01 PM (xCBQ4)

157 HA's post editing software was written some time this millennium unlike a certain other site I could mention...

Oh
Snap.

Posted by: 18-1 at April 17, 2009 09:57 PM (odYmd)

Don't get me wrong, I generally like HA very much but I'll take a funny comment over a well edited one any day.

Posted by: Rocks at April 17, 2009 10:02 PM (3RHzM)

158 "Bass players who think they deserve center stage"

Steve Harris

Posted by: someone at April 17, 2009 10:04 PM (7KUMK)

159 Actually I think the awkward comment thingy here adds character.

The only thing I can't stand is having to use tinyurl all the time.

Posted by: dan-O at April 17, 2009 10:05 PM (ZOrUp)

160 sell his blog engine to other Conservative bloggers.

Why?

Posted by: Hongqi at April 17, 2009 10:06 PM (+WuMm)

161 All right. You're ALL BANNED.

Posted by: Charles Johnson at April 17, 2009 10:06 PM (MMC8r)

162 Hongqi (honkey?),
Pam Gellar has a body built for sin, but a voice that immediately makes you want to smash her head with a piece of brick to preserve your sanity.
I saw those bikini vlogs at the time (she was in Israel, I think) and it was like this:
"Oh hey - conservative chick in a bikini - neat. Let's click play..."
And then what came out of the speakers was, "FUCK YOU, PENIS! I DEFY TO YOU LOOK UPON HER IMAGE AND MAINTAIN YOUR AROUSAL WHILE I SHRED THE PLEASURE CENTER OF YOUR BRAIN WITH THIS 15,OOO HERTZ SHREIKING!!! BWHAAAHAHAHAAA!!!! BEHOLD YOUR SHRINKING MANHOOD!!"
Pam Geller ruined hot chick in bikini time. How the fuck do you do that?

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at April 17, 2009 10:07 PM (xGIqT)

163 All right. You're ALL Burninated.

Posted by: Trogdor at April 17, 2009 10:07 PM (odYmd)

164 Essentially dishonest!

This is what Chuckie has as a lead...

"Anyone think stories like this might have something to do with the Department of Homeland Security being concerned about right wing extremism?"

In the heart of the story...

"An application for membership in the National Socialist Movement filled out by Cummings also was found in the residence..."

Posted by: Travis at April 17, 2009 10:07 PM (e8HvX)

165 Yeah Charles doesn't read here....but he just opened registration.
No such thing as bad publicity....

Posted by: Rocks at April 17, 2009 10:08 PM (3RHzM)

166 Hmmmm.

"And then this freak has the gall to compare himself to Martin Luther King Jr."

That's called being an asshole because Beck wasn't comparing himself to MLK Jr. He was calling for peaceful resistance and revolution a la MLK Jr.

Frankly LGF has just gone completely off the rails and I don't waste my time there.

It's curious but there does seem to be an increasing rate of separation going on in the GOP and amongst conservatives. I wouldn't precisely call it fracturing. I think it's more of a distillation process.

The crap is being left behind.

Posted by: memomachine at April 17, 2009 10:09 PM (WXcTw)

167 Pam Gellar has a body built for sin

But the skin of a catchers mitt.

Posted by: Wickedpinto at April 17, 2009 10:09 PM (uU+Ss)

168 "Bass players who think they deserve center stage"

Steve Harris

Stanley Clarke: He do.
Jaco Pastorius: He did.
Mike Huckabee: He don't.

Posted by: mikey at April 17, 2009 10:10 PM (fvlUJ)

169 What the fuck are you talking about ? Zionism is support for the
creation of a state for Jews in their homeland. Now that they have it,
it is support for the continuation of that state.

You ain't coming down on me. Zionism is, as you say, support for the creation of a jewish state. My point was, and apparently I was to brief, IMO modern day "zionists" place that support above most anything else. Including what's best for the United States. You can disagree with that, but that's my personal view of the modern day "zionist" and it's absolutely what I observed on a routine basis at LGF.

Amazing you would play the "that was dumb" card when you're the one equating zionism with being jewish and me of jew hating. I mean really, even accepting your definition of Zionism, which I concede to be the classical definition, one can oppose Zionism and not hate jews. And please, if you can't appreciate the difference, then we're done.

Posted by: The Big Feed at April 17, 2009 10:10 PM (nBKay)

170 Like many here, I was a fan and frequent visitor of LGF after 9/11 and the Rathergate memo, but Charles has jumped the shark with his anti-creationist bull shit fetish. I deleted his bookmark from my blog folder a few weeks ago and that means something. I mean it's one thing to not visit, but to delete the bookmark.......

Posted by: BillyBob at April 17, 2009 10:10 PM (cWg6W)

171 >>a turn of phrase. it's from some tarantino movie.

Pulp Fiction. Bartender to Bruce Willis. For some reason that one always stuck in my mind.

Posted by: JackStraw at April 17, 2009 10:10 PM (VW9/y)

172 Ooooh! Did Charles open registration tonight? I'm gunna be a lizzard person! w00t! I am so cool.

Okay, I am being serious right now -- what does "little green footballs" mean, if anything. I totally missed out on that when it started, and now I can't find it. I mean to say, I'm vaguely interested in what "little green footballs" means or is in reference to, and I'm not willing to do any further research on the subject other than leaving this note here in the comments section. Srsly.

Posted by: Brewdog at April 17, 2009 10:11 PM (r9wXo)

173 I myself put the issue of Creationism/Evolution on my give a shit list at about 884. I believe in God and so far I trust the valid but still ongoing theory of evolution. Charles seems to have an either/or attitude towards that. OK, it's his blog, he can post nothing but pictures of his bicycle spokes if he wants.

Charles has a right to his opinion, and in turn others have the same right to tell him that he's full of shit. He's got that all too common trait of those who make it big of having a very loud mouth and a very thin skin.

One major flaw with CJ other than his anal obsessions is his Six Degrees of Separation ploy in attacking those who displease him. If you talked to a European business contact whose ex-wife was the cousin of a Holocaust denier, CJ would tell the world you too are a Holocaust denier.

But the main reason I haven't been to LGF in ages is that he's just gotten boring as hell.


Posted by: kbdabear at April 17, 2009 10:11 PM (miw86)

174 honkey?

Dude, 1.3 billion Chinese just e-mailed me to have you undergo water-drop torture.

Even though my in-box will never be the same...I've calmed them down slightly, slightly.

Posted by: Hongqi at April 17, 2009 10:13 PM (+WuMm)

175 I could care less about LGF. AoSHQ is where its at IMHO. I love the way we all fling poo at each other in the comments.

Posted by: MrsPaulsFishSticks at April 17, 2009 10:14 PM (PBGAP)

176 "And please, if you can't appreciate the difference, then we're done."

Yes, I think we're going to be done with you rather soon.

Zionist means the specific thing dan-O mentioned. Of course, it's been revived as a slur by many famous Saudis. Westerners who pick up such usages only mean one thing.

Posted by: someone at April 17, 2009 10:14 PM (7KUMK)

177 I TOTALY overlooked Jaco, man, my gay furry friend is so gonna want me to whip him for this, he should have taught me better.

Posted by: Wickedpinto at April 17, 2009 10:14 PM (uU+Ss)

178 167
Pam Gellar has a body built for sinBut the skin of a catchers mitt.

Only because my wife doesn't read this blog -- Pam Gellar occupies a high position on my "freebie" list. And I am allowed only five on my freebie list.

Posted by: Brewdog at April 17, 2009 10:14 PM (r9wXo)

179 Kip Winger wasn't a bad bass player, but he should be burnt to death because he was stupid enough to think people wanted to hear a fucking bass solo!
No, Kip Winger should be mocked to death because he is a former ballet dancer, and when other rockers teased him about it, he squared his shoulders, threw out his chest and challenged them to... a dance-off.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at April 17, 2009 10:15 PM (xGIqT)

180 The Aceholers have helped to build some surprisingly successful amateur blogs.

Like NiceDeb's place, she hits top blog regularly, and she just does it, cuz everyonce in a while the nice turns to not nice.

You won't like NiceDeb When she's angry.

a number of funners, and Dpud, and stuff.

and all of those places have their own followings outside of Ace, even my dead place, and the other place that used to try to be serious, but it just takes too much effort to find the right story and the right content.

Posted by: Wickedpinto at April 17, 2009 10:16 PM (uU+Ss)

181 I guess I was one of those who used to really like Little Green Footballs. For a time there in 2002-2006 I would go there almost daily. However the endless rants against creationists got on my nerves and this latest spat with Glenn Beck really disappoints me. Oh well, guess we lost another one. I got started in 2001-2002 with a site called Right Thinking From The Left Coast, which was amateur (back in the days when most blogs were, before about 2004-5) compared to most today but I liked it. It, however, went the same path as LGF before LGF did. Always a shame.

Posted by: Alex at April 17, 2009 10:16 PM (2hcV2)

182 I TOTALY overlooked Jaco, man, my gay furry friend is so gonna want me to whip him for this, he should have taught me better.


Posted by: Wickedpinto at April 17, 2009 10:14 PM (uU+Ss)

Even as a recently banned lizard for defying the orthodoxy, I still loves me some Jazz as well as several other genres.Hope that don't signify teh ghey.

Posted by: mikey at April 17, 2009 10:17 PM (fvlUJ)

183 Hongq, his jQuery/PHP engine is smooth and clean - runs on everything I use (Blackberry, iPod Touch, Firefox (Ubuntu/XP), and Safari).

TypePad chokes when I'm on my Ubuntu box, this engine can't handle links or searches, most wordpress and blogspot sites dont work on my Blackberry, HotAir and PowerLine are just cluttered and confusing. His linkviewer also works very well, it is not tied to well into referring posts.

Posted by: Jean at April 17, 2009 10:17 PM (xCBQ4)

184 Pam Geller is the hot chick with the big tits who you flipped for, but as time went by you got used to seeing her every day. Once you see the same face day after day, her drama queen hysterics, nagging, bitching, and loonie tunes rantings make you hope either she or you steps in front of a bus and ends it all.

Posted by: kbdabear at April 17, 2009 10:18 PM (miw86)

185 98
You know, I really want answers to some very hard hitting questions.
How does lacewigs guy decide which post to spam every night?

Lace Wigs comes here every night because LGF banned them

Posted by: kbdabear at April 17, 2009 10:21 PM (miw86)

186 Dude, 1.3 billion Chinese just e-mailed me to have you undergo water-drop torture.
So sorry. I meant no offense. You are a wonderful people and I hope you all get new bicycles.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at April 17, 2009 10:21 PM (xGIqT)

187 184
Pam Geller is the hot chick with the big tits who you flipped for...

Hellz, yes. I don't know if she goes for gentiles, but .. dayuummm. I am down with that.

Posted by: Brewdog at April 17, 2009 10:21 PM (r9wXo)

188 Jean,

The website loads really slow for me and most of things I use are free from Wordpress.

Posted by: Hongqi at April 17, 2009 10:22 PM (+WuMm)

189 Pam Gellar occupies a high position on my "freebie" list.

If you say you are married and you say that she is on "The List." then I know what you mean.

Everyone has "The List," This is a true story.

My roommate, actually my buddy cuz he was already lived in town, was engaged to this chick jenn.

They were organizing their "Lists" and Eric being Eric never gave up anything until he got something, so Jenn yapped off 3 of her List right away, and Eric (my buddy) yapped off 3 more, (I think one of them was greta garbo, he has a sense of humor my friend does)

And over weeks they were working them out and they came to their last selections, and finaly I'm in the back seat, drunk off my ass, and Jenn says "OH! okay, I like older guys, mel gibson"

"Oh."

My buddy said, being all morose and withdrawn, and his fiance' was like "whats wrong, you don't like mel gibson?"

"No, Mel's awesome it's just that I picked my fifth too. . . . "

Now, my buddy Eric is one of those guys who will build a joke for weeks or months but always knew that he planted the seed of humor, and I saw something coming, but I didn't know what it is.

His fiance' is a very nice liberal gradeschool teacher type and she's like "oh, honey, don't worry, want me to pick a new one, or just forget the game?"

I'm starting to laugh cuz she's walking into it.

"no, it's okay, keep mel, it's just that I picked meg ryan."
"then why are you upset?"
Now He pounces.
"I was kinda hoping you would too."

I fucking lost it, kicking and screaming laughing my ass off.


Posted by: Wickedpinto at April 17, 2009 10:23 PM (uU+Ss)

190 Pam Gelleris too hysterical in my opinion but she has a lot of good stuff that others are too afraid to deal with and you need people like that. Sometimes they go too far, but at least they are there and willing to take an honest look.

Posted by: Travis at April 17, 2009 10:23 PM (e8HvX)

191 And again, where were the anti-jewish comments that I made. Read what I wrote. And look at the LGF post links. It is what I said it was. Remarkably focused on that singular issue. "A den of Zionism". Whether I'm a Zionist or not, or just stupid, all Zionism all day is pretty damn boring. That was my point. And from what I've observed there, if you post anything that it perceived by the lizards as anti-Israel, you get sacked. Even if it was accidental or unintended.

The point I made was just that. Not my fault someone read anything into that. I've posted over 3,100 posts on my blog. My stance on Israel is pretty well documented. You won't find any "jew hating"

If you think there aren't "zionists" in America who place the interests of Israel over the United States then I'm not the only dumb one here. I'm far from the only one who shares that view of the modern day zionist.

Posted by: The Big Feed at April 17, 2009 10:24 PM (nBKay)

192 184
Pam Geller is the hot chick with the big tits who you flipped for.

Pammie was on Redeye the other night in the leg chair. She has skin like a catcher's mitt and a voice to match. I couldn't wait for her to slam shut her bagel hole every time it opened.

Posted by: mikey at April 17, 2009 10:24 PM (fvlUJ)

193 ...hope you all get new bicycles

You have found your way back into our good graces.

Posted by: Hongqi at April 17, 2009 10:24 PM (+WuMm)

194 IMO modern day "zionists" place that support above most anything else. Including what's best for the United States.

I don't care about the label. I never did. Israel is our ally, the only democracy in a thoroughly un-democratic region, our economic partner and our steadfast friend and I am 10,000% behind the Jewish state. It's long past time to worry about "zionist" being an epithet. And, no, I am not saying this just because I want to get into Pam Gellar's pants. I am saying this *AND* I want to get into Pam Gellar's pants.

Posted by: Brewdog at April 17, 2009 10:25 PM (r9wXo)

195
Billy Joel - Prelude / Angry Young Man

Theres a place in the world for the angry young man
With his working class ties and his radical plans
He refuses to bend, he refuses to crawl,
Hes always at home with his back to the wall.
And hes proud of his scars and the battles hes lost,
And he struggles and bleeds as he hangs on the cross-
And he likes to be known as the angry young man
.

Give a moment or two to the angry young man,
With his foot in his mouth and his heart in his hand.
Hes been stabbed in the back, hes been misunderstood,
Its a comfort to know his intentions are good.
And he sits in a room with a lock on the door,
With his maps and his medals laid out on the floor-
And he likes to be known as the angry young man.

I believe Ive passed the age of consciousness and righteous rage
I found that just surviving was a noble fight.
I once believed in causes too,
I had my pointless point of view,
And life went on no matter who was wrong or right.

And theres always a place for the angry young man,
With his fist in the air and his head in the sand.
And hes never been able to learn from mistakes,
So he cant understand why his heart always breaks.
But his honor is pure and his courage as well,
And hes fair and hes true and hes boring as hell-
And hell go to the grave as an angry old man.

Posted by: kbdabear at April 17, 2009 10:25 PM (miw86)

196 When the Seals took out the pirates, CJ ripped on his readers for not giving Obama the credit - as he said: "what happened to the buck stops here".

When the DHS issued its report on right wing terrorists groups, CJ ripped on people for faulting Obama, because those reports were ordered by Bush. Conveniently for CJ the buck doesn't stop at Obama when it makes him look bad.

I've read LGF for a long time, but now it's exclusively a criticize the right followed by a "woe is me" if anyone complains.

Posted by: mark at April 17, 2009 10:25 PM (dWjgZ)

197 Hellz, yes. I don't know if she goes for gentiles, but .. dayuummm. I am down with that.

Posted by: Brewdog at April 17, 2009 10:21 PM (r9wXo)

As long as your circumcised.

Posted by: Rocks at April 17, 2009 10:26 PM (3RHzM)

198 KDKA,

I'm glad the Army kept me moving about when I was young enough to care about such things.

Posted by: Jean at April 17, 2009 10:27 PM (xCBQ4)

199 I WISH! Israel were truly zionist.

Israel is Zionish. not Zionist.

Posted by: Wickedpinto at April 17, 2009 10:29 PM (uU+Ss)

200 "I don't care about the label. I never did. Israel is our ally, the only
democracy in a thoroughly un-democratic region, our economic partner
and our steadfast friend and I am 10,000% behind the Jewish state. It's
long past time to worry about "zionist" being an epithet. And, no, I am
not saying this just because I want to get into Pam Gellar's pants. I
am saying this *AND* I want to get into Pam Gellar's pants."

Word. I can accept being called stupid. I won't accept being accused of being anti-semetic. As I said, fortunately, my true sentiments in this regard are on the internet. For all to see.

Posted by: The Big Feed at April 17, 2009 10:30 PM (nBKay)

201 As long as your circumcised.

Hey, I'm 42. Back in the 60's, hospitals gave out a free circumcision for a boy baby, kind of like how banks used to give away toasters for opening a new account.

Posted by: Brewdog at April 17, 2009 10:30 PM (r9wXo)

202 Pammie was on Redeye the other night in the leg chair. She has skin like a catcher's mitt and a voice to match
I have a lot of fond memories involving my old catcher's mitt IYKWIMAITTYD.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at April 17, 2009 10:31 PM (xGIqT)

203 Johnson is a scrotwanker. 'nuff said.

Posted by: tangonine at April 17, 2009 10:31 PM (C8Pcc)

204
O'Reilly grates on me because of the heroic posturing, the fucking "looking out for the folks" bullshit.


O'Reilly pitches the quasi populist rhetoric, even when he knows something is bullshit. The guy is phony as a $3 bill.

Whenever someone insists they're looking out for you and they ain't you mother or father, the translation is they don't give a shit about you, and you should grab your wallet extra tight.

Posted by: Purple Avenger at April 17, 2009 10:33 PM (ysoZG)

205 Hongqi @ 188, most wordpress sites just have a poor user experience. LGF loads fast on the smallest of platforms - until you open a 600 post topic. That is not the fault of the engine, but of the management for not having enough threads open. For sites with linear topic lists (like this one) and LGF keeping new topics popping is important. Sites that have an index of topics, like phpBB, not so important.

Additionally, I don't think any wordpress engine can handle real volume.

Posted by: Jean at April 17, 2009 10:36 PM (xCBQ4)

206 It's definitely the vehemency or hate Johnson has for SoCons, Creationists, and now virtually every Conservative/Classic Liberal that pisses most folks off. Disagreeing to disagree? Not in Johnson's vocabulary.
No, he has to demonize folks too. Creationists are as bad as Jihadists (seriously). Virtually every famous or semi-famous Republican and/or Conservative pol, pundit or blogger that's not in complete agreement with Queeg Johnson he hates on: Praeger, Steyne, Limbaugh, Beck, Malkin, Ace, Powerline, Diane West, Spencer, Breitbart, even Hot Air over the DHS piece of shit, and the list goes on.
Hating on the Tea Partiy protests because a few Ron Paulians might be at some of them or may claim to have organized them. And yet, if that's the case, why wasn't Ron Paul's agenda front and center at the protests? And hey, it's impossible to stop the Paulbots or even Code Pink from coming to them so what should we do? Not Go? According to Johnson, yes, we shouldn't go to any protest that may have even one far right idiot.
Doesn't matter anyway, because the MSM calls anyone to the right of Lieberman far right extremists anyway whether we go to protests or not. He can't just acknowledge that the base needs to be energized and fired up rather than hiding at home, scared the media might paint us as too far to the right. And what does the media do if they can't find something? They lie. They make shit up.
So Johnson's reaction is to veer to the Left again. Yes, Obama said he didn't bow so he didn't bow, according to Johnson. The DHS hit piece? Perfectly logical. Nothin' to see here. Lefty colleges indoctrinating our youngun's? Nope, that's a paranoid right-wing crazy theory.
When asked who on the right he does like? VDH and Krauthammer. "Off the top of his head." No pols though. Like I said, i can deal with disagreements, different opinions, but the vehement hate and derangement of decent folks? That's where he loses most of us.

Posted by: USS Ben at April 17, 2009 10:37 PM (HiQWY)

207 I feel lucky if I canfind a radio personallity or blog I can agree with 85% of the time. I don't want to hang out with people that have beliefs 180 degrees from my own. How can erg hang out here?
When the agreement percentage dips below 70 percent I move somewhere else. I comment very little but enjoy this blog more thanothers. In fact this is the only blog I have ever commented on. I feel most of the commenters can put my thoughts into words much better than I can.
I have to say that some commenters on thisblog are looking for the perfect conservative candidate to represent them without realizing that their perfect candidate is only their perfect candidate and not everyones perfect candidate. Just an observation.

Posted by: Ronster at April 17, 2009 10:38 PM (5xynA)

208 I don't rag on CJ because he's not a true blue red stater. I read No Quarter regularly because I like to read a liberal blog that doesn't slobber in worship of Obama and presents various points, and many liberal points are valid or should be considered when they're not either smugly condescending or batshit ranting nuts.

CJ knows that his views don't occur in a vacuum now that he's one of the blogosphere's biggest names. He should also learn to take his hits like a man and not resort to guilt by association and six degrees of separation.

Glenn Reynolds takes many varying positions that many of us would disagree with, and he knows that. I've yet to see Glenn get in any pissing matches with anyone in all the years he's been around. If Glenn wants to counterpoint, he does it with data points and earnest opinion, not scorched earth tactics.

I think we all read Instapundit because GR never obsesses on anything, has fresh and relevant to the news of the day items, and he varies his subjects so widely that there's something for everyone. Go to him especially if you like to get the latest car news, which I do.

I've emailed back and forth a few times with Glenn Reynolds personally, and he's a class act.

Posted by: kbdabear at April 17, 2009 10:39 PM (miw86)

209 Wickedpinto, Unfortunately I've spent a lot of time in the Middle East and the greatest danger to Israel are the Israelis who have forgotten their history.

Posted by: Jean at April 17, 2009 10:40 PM (xCBQ4)

210 Beck and Johnson are fighting?

I hope he loses.

Posted by: DrewM. at April 17, 2009 10:41 PM (hlYel)

211 Cool, LGF now has a "right-wing" tag,

First tag - 08 APR 2007,
Next tag - 14 APR 2009,

6 tags total, all other than the ONE in 2007, are DHS report related.

http://littlegreenfootballs.com
/tag/Right-Wing

Posted by: Druid at April 17, 2009 10:41 PM (nFeDb)

212 Way earlier in this thread, someone capsulized Charles nicely: He hates muslims and anyone who believes in God.
That's his blog. Disagree with him and you're gone.

Posted by: tangonine at April 17, 2009 10:42 PM (C8Pcc)

213 USS Ben: He doesn't like Prager?? Prager has been nothing but nice to him and sent him traffic. What's his problem with him?

Posted by: dan-O at April 17, 2009 10:43 PM (ZOrUp)

214 I have to say that some commenters on thisblog are looking for the
perfect conservative candidate to represent them without realizing that
their perfect candidate is only their perfect candidate and not
everyones perfect candidate. Just an observation.

It's often said that in politics as in love, many of us are looking for a perfect fit in an off-the-rack world

Posted by: kbdabear at April 17, 2009 10:43 PM (miw86)

215 I hope he loses.

DrewM, which one?

Posted by: Hongqi at April 17, 2009 10:46 PM (+WuMm)

216 you missed the joke

Posted by: someone at April 17, 2009 10:46 PM (7KUMK)

217 And CJ has gone full on pussy mode banning anyone who disagrees with him. What a tool.

Posted by: tangonine at April 17, 2009 10:46 PM (C8Pcc)

218 you missed the joke

Oh, was that like a both of them thing...it is getting late.

Posted by: Hongqi at April 17, 2009 10:47 PM (+WuMm)

219 No Quarter is a decent blog. I go there on occasion as well. I like sources that I may not agree with but are capable of logic. DailyKos and DU are excluded for obvious reasons.

Posted by: Travis at April 17, 2009 10:47 PM (e8HvX)

220 Like I said Jean, if it were TRULY Zionist, I would pick a side, and I would side with the JOOO's.

Emporer of jeff, the catchers mitt thing was FUNNY!

As for comparing Chas, to reynolds, not a reasonable comparison.

Reynolds states an opinion, but doesn't demonize those who disagree with him, but Chaz picks a side, and states an opinion and if you don't agree with him, he will Slice like a fucking hammer!

Suck it up nancy, not everyone agree's with you and just cuz you are well off doesn't mean you are right.

Even Galt and D'Aconia caved in the face of Dagny's expertise.

We can't all be everything, no matter how much we delude ourselves.

Posted by: Wickedpinto at April 17, 2009 10:48 PM (uU+Ss)

221 "And CJ has gone full on pussy mode banning anyone who disagrees with him. What a tool."

Ha...Worse than that...He's banning people at the behest of his minions...Dude banned me because I down-voted a link post from one of his butt buddies

Posted by: The Big Feed at April 17, 2009 10:48 PM (nBKay)

222 I said pretty much the same thing on his blog a few days ago and I was banned for it.
This is SOP for LGF.
I didn't read all the comments... Ace was comparing himself to Charles... no way. That guy, from the get go, has been trying to maintain some wierd of Cult of Personality. You're with him on everything or your out. He bans people for disagreeing with him. Maybe the success went to his head.
His tactics are your typical liberal fascist lineup. The website runs like dkos, or any other lefty site. And if you cross him you aren't just wrong, but are 'inciting violence' or are 'racist' or whatever.
None of which is a suprise. He was always a single issue conservative, liberal on everything else. I got nothing against his blog - it was never my taste but it's fine.
I don't like the way he disagrees, though. Dissent tessentially isn't tolerated. Disagree with him once and he'll cut all ties to you and you're on the enemy list.
And he's so utterly full of himself and self-important it's preposterous.

Posted by: Entropy at April 17, 2009 10:49 PM (cok/k)

223 By his own counthe has banned 15 peoplejust today and he's chortling about it. LOL! I love that fuckin' guy.

Posted by: Winston's Cheek at April 17, 2009 10:49 PM (+WJgT)

224 And he didn't just start that. He's been like that a long time.

Posted by: Entropy at April 17, 2009 10:50 PM (cok/k)

225 Oh, was that like a both of them thing...it is getting late.



My wit is a subtle thing that reads better when drunk. Or I'm wittier when I'm drunk, one or the other.



In short, neither guy is exactly my favorite source for commentary.

Posted by: DrewM. at April 17, 2009 10:50 PM (hlYel)

226 And no - I was never banned.
I never commented.
HAven't really even read that bloga ton. Though I have read some of the folks he's banned or otherwise been a bridge-burning douche over tiny things too, so I'm aware of his history.

Posted by: Entropy at April 17, 2009 10:51 PM (cok/k)

227 213
USS Ben: He doesn't like Prager?? Prager has been nothing but nice to him and sent him traffic. What's his problem with him?

That's common with huge egos who make it big, Gratitude is a one-way street.

Roger Simon is still socially liberal and makes no attempt to portray himself as a conservative. Like his old friend Ron Silver (RIP) he's an old liberal who takes the concept of an open mind literally, and doesn't tow anyone's party line. RLS is more a Joe Lieberman who welcomes all points of view. Roger is also personally a classy guy from my experiences with him.

Back when PJM started up, there seemed to be some distancing between Roger and CJ, who seemed pretty close up until PJM started. I know Ace might have some personal knowledge or experience with this, but if it's not meant for outside ears it should stay behind closed doors. Just my observation of the relationship.



Posted by: kbdabear at April 17, 2009 10:53 PM (miw86)

228 Yeah DrewM, your wit was complete confudery, is it here, is it there, where? I don't know, what? where? who?

I JUST DIDN"T KNOW!!!

Posted by: Wickedpinto at April 17, 2009 10:53 PM (uU+Ss)

229 "Roger is also personally a classy guy from my experiences with him."

Really? I've heard the opposite from some early-in-PJs folks.

Posted by: someone at April 17, 2009 10:55 PM (7KUMK)

230 My wit is a subtle thing that reads better when drunk.

Nah, it was kind of obvious after someone pointed out I was kind of stupid. Which was sort of hurtful by the way. Hurtful.




Posted by: Hongqi at April 17, 2009 10:55 PM (+WuMm)

231 I don't know how many times I've been banned, Ace banned me 2 maybe 3 times, I can't remember.

If you are so self absorbed that you never forgive, then you aren't a leader you are a tyrant.

I THINK! Ace banned me three times, twice, based on a misunderstanding, and once cuz I had it coming, but I was more than contrite enough to back off and promise I wouldn't do that again, I think drew can testify to my contrition with one of my "racial" (even though it wasn't racial) near bannings.

I still visit my old games, I still visit almost all of those places except for 3 places.

MyDD, DailyKos and LGF.

Only three places that not only banned me (I've been perma banned, before, but they at least shared their reasons) but kept me banned, and never gave me a reason, or an opportunity for contrition. . . .well actually there is a fourth, but that's based on a personal issue.

3 arbitrary permanent bannings, MyDD, DailyKos and LGF.

That is no shit.

Posted by: Wickedpinto at April 17, 2009 10:58 PM (uU+Ss)

232 You know what I hate Chas? Bass players who think they deserve center stage.

This bass player deserves center stage. And he's on a street in Brazil. Or Portugal, maybe.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iy3V2Tl4g3s

There's a lesson in there for us. Somewhere.

Posted by: Tom W. at April 17, 2009 11:00 PM (NaeNa)

233 Well Roger isn't writing shit anymore, and he's the CEO of PJ so it's kinda his job to be a dick to the workers.

I like Jeff, a VERY nice guy, but if jeff can do what roger can then why doesn't jeff do it himself?

because he can't.

Posted by: Wickedpinto at April 17, 2009 11:00 PM (uU+Ss)

234 Swinging the ban hammer or deleting comments too often implies you're trying to create an echo chamber.

The number of "comment cleanups" that have to be done here to maintain decorum is really quite tiny.

Posted by: Purple Avenger at April 17, 2009 11:00 PM (ysoZG)

235 Yeah, Chuck is just jealous of Beck, Beck reaches millions and lil Chucky has his little blog that reaches a couple thousand. I stopped reading him when he started targeting that scourge of the new millenium CREATIONISM
he is a childish douche bag

Posted by: Dugupbones at April 17, 2009 11:01 PM (JfCXh)

236 BTW, PJ was created by two rehabbed lib's leading a conservative media?

Yeah, it's pretty much guaranteed that that would fail, and will fail.

Posted by: Wickedpinto at April 17, 2009 11:01 PM (uU+Ss)

237 I was more than contrite enough to back off and promise I wouldn't do that again
You called Cristoph a Canadian bunt?

Posted by: andycanuck at April 17, 2009 11:02 PM (vulJH)

238 Oh God, don't mention its name, it might come back

Posted by: someone at April 17, 2009 11:02 PM (7KUMK)

239 I never dreamed I would remove LGF from my bookmarks list, but that's exactly what I've done. I was one of their biggest fans, I had it on my list of recommended sites.. A list of about only 5 places!

Their attacks on the owner of Jihad watch were so totally dishonest that I lost all respect for them. Then you add on some of the recent christian and social conservative bashing, well I am totally done and never looking back. Oh and I'm not a creationist at all but find the obsession with the subject just really weird.

Posted by: Village Idiot at April 17, 2009 11:02 PM (E6zbw)

240 Speaking of "banning" and "cleaning up" the comments sections, I'm going to see how long it takes for me to get a nastygram from David Frum over on New-squish-Majority.com.

Posted by: Brewdog at April 17, 2009 11:03 PM (r9wXo)

241 Yeah, it's pretty much guaranteed that that would fail, and will fail.

Shame, isn't Zo on there now?

Posted by: Hongqi at April 17, 2009 11:03 PM (+WuMm)

242 219
No Quarter is a decent blog. I go there on occasion as well. I like
sources that I may not agree with but are capable of logic. DailyKos
and DU are excluded for obvious reasons.

I never visit Kos or DU without putting on a hazmat suit first. Then once I leave I have to call the Terminix guy and sleep in a motel for a few days until the place is fumigated. For that reason visits are understandably rare.

The NQ bunch seem to be nice people, kind of like the folks who are liberals and are still your friends because they're never vicious and they listen to your side too.

Blogs have to remember that when they build an audience, they build a certain brand too. TV shows, radio shows and the like build a certain audience. If the producers of "24" turn it into "West Wing", they can't bitch that their old fans are deserting in droves.

Posted by: kbdabear at April 17, 2009 11:03 PM (miw86)

243 I've talked about that a bunch of times PA.

At the dead place, when rosetta has his "I am a racist" thing, we got SLAMMED with spammers, and we didn't ban or spam a one of them.

Our loyal commenters took care of the situation.

Ace does a good job (I wish he would take part more often) of maitaining a loyal community of commenters who cover his ass in the threads, just like over at the dead place, noone fucks with anyone cuz the humiliation is thorough and immediate.

Posted by: Wickedpinto at April 17, 2009 11:03 PM (uU+Ss)

244 Sorry, someone. I won't use the C word ever again at Ace's.

Posted by: andycanuck at April 17, 2009 11:04 PM (vulJH)

245 Andy?

Were you around when I was actually playing up the crazy stuff?

I really REALLY REALLY! tested the limits.

Posted by: Wickedpinto at April 17, 2009 11:05 PM (uU+Ss)

246 though Ace getting pissed off about the Longbows thing was wierd.

Posted by: Wickedpinto at April 17, 2009 11:05 PM (uU+Ss)

247 Dude, if you've been banned from numerous sites, maybe you're just a dickhole.

(shhhh...I'm trying to rile you up to see if you get yourself banned here again)

Posted by: Winston's Cheek at April 17, 2009 11:06 PM (+WJgT)

248 I'm going to see how long it takes for me to get a nastygram from David Frum over on New-squish-Majority.com.

We don't send nastygrams, which just remind people that they are not the right sort for our new majority. How do you know if you are the right sort or not? If you have to ask, well then, you aren't.


Posted by: David Frum at April 17, 2009 11:06 PM (hlYel)

249 I don't know how many times I've been banned, Ace banned me 2 maybe 3 times, I can't remember.If you are so self absorbed that you never forgive, then you aren't a leader you are a tyrant.I
THINK! Ace banned me three times, twice, based on a misunderstanding,
and once cuz I had it coming, but I was more than contrite enough to
back off and promise I wouldn't do that again, I think drew can
testify to my contrition with one of my "racial" (even though it wasn't
racial) near bannings.I still visit my old games, I still visit almost all of those places except for 3 places.MyDD, DailyKos and LGF.Only
three places that not only banned me (I've been perma banned, before,
but they at least shared their reasons) but kept me banned, and never
gave me a reason, or an opportunity for contrition. . . .well actually
there is a fourth, but that's based on a personal issue.3 arbitrary permanent bannings, MyDD, DailyKos and LGF.That is no shit.


Posted by: Wickedpinto

I kinda feel like a piker! I have never been banned anywhere!

Have you tried reading that book How To Win Friends And Influence People?

Posted by: Travis at April 17, 2009 11:07 PM (e8HvX)

250 Their attacks on the owner of Jihad watch were so totally dishonest that I lost all respect for them
Was that when they were attacking Gates of Vienna and also, the Belgian political party Vlams Belang?
I got a kick out of that, because Charles seemed to think he was more important then the majority party of a country, among other things. And guilt by associations alleged by partisan opponents is always fun too.

Posted by: Entropy at April 17, 2009 11:07 PM (cok/k)

251 "The NQ bunch seem to be nice people, kind of like the folks who are
liberals and are still your friends because they're never vicious and
they listen to your side too."



This is utterly hilarious to read. Do you guys remember Scary Larry going after Seixon?



My how times have changed. It's like we're in bizarro world now.

Posted by: someone at April 17, 2009 11:08 PM (7KUMK)

252
I never dreamed I would remove LGF from my bookmarks list

I did that about two years ago. I'll click a link to them occasionally, but its not part of my daily recon anymore. A favorable signal/noise ratio just isn't there.

Posted by: Purple Avenger at April 17, 2009 11:08 PM (ysoZG)

253 I can't recall, Wicked. You've never bothered me any more than any other regular here who I more often agree with. Was it over the original bank etc. bailout last year?

Posted by: andycanuck at April 17, 2009 11:08 PM (vulJH)

254 For the person that asked about the origins of Little Green Footballs:
If I remember right it was a reference to boogers. I used to post there under my real name years ago. I didn't get banned, but even then I could sense the echo chamber.

Posted by: digitalbrownshirt at April 17, 2009 11:09 PM (/O0iM)

255 "Was that when they were attacking Gates of Vienna and also, the Belgian political party Vlams Belang?"

No, it was after. But he's right about VB -- wolf in sheep's clothing.

Posted by: someone at April 17, 2009 11:09 PM (7KUMK)

256 We don't send nastygrams, which just remind people that they are not
the right sort for our new majority. How do you know if you are the
right sort or not? If you have to ask, well then, you aren't.

No f-n kidding! Frum intends to build a majority from the squishy middle of both parties and turn it into a party that stands for absolutely nothing. Once I ingratiate myself, I intend to seek a plum appointment in his new administration. I'm thinking a seat on the board of the Farm Credit Administration.

Posted by: Brewdog at April 17, 2009 11:09 PM (r9wXo)

257

Dude, if you've been banned from numerous sites, maybe you're just a dickhole.

I didn't say I wasn't, thats one of the things I like about ace and other tolerant, actually tolerant, not mandatory toe the line of what they think is tolerant, sites.
I crossed the line, and ace banned me, and then in discussion off thread, he gave me a chance because even he crosses the line sometimes.
and I have been on the recieving end of the ban hammer a LOT, especially when I was a mudder.

Posted by: Wickedpinto at April 17, 2009 11:09 PM (uU+Ss)

258 If I remember right it was a reference to boogers.

You. Are. Shitting me.

Posted by: Brewdog at April 17, 2009 11:10 PM (r9wXo)

259 I kinda feel like a piker! I have never been banned anywhere!
Posted by: Travis at April 17, 2009 11:07 PM (e8HvX)


Send me $10 and I'll ban you from here. You can boast about your first banning and I'll have $10.

Then let me know when you want back in and I'll throw that in at no charge!

That's a win/win if I've ever heard one.

Posted by: DrewM. at April 17, 2009 11:10 PM (hlYel)

260 229
"Roger is also personally a classy guy from my experiences with him."
Really? I've heard the opposite from some early-in-PJs folks.

I don't find it unusual that a man used to negotiating with Hollywood studio heads who would cut your balls off and expect you to thank them for leaving your dick isn't going to be a bit hard nosed when taking a risk on a startup venture into brand new territory.

Roger's old school New York raised Hollywood veteran business ways probably would rub many the wrong way if you're not used to dealing with it.

Posted by: kbdabear at April 17, 2009 11:10 PM (miw86)

261 Ace, I emailed you a few weeks back about being able to store your threads that are highly thought provoking as well as educational, inspiring and filled with cathartic goodies. I know you aren't free republic but I could use a place to house AoSHQ classics, as I see it. Keep up the good work.



Posted by: G.W. McLintock at April 17, 2009 11:11 PM (hB+Mt)

262 I was recently banned by CJ and wear it as a badge of honor. I jumped
into the fray to defend Ace's post about Obama's pizza chef flying in
from St. Louis. CJ posted a lefty blog's excuse that the chef had
already planned to be in Washington on other business anyway, and that the
chef had bought green credits to offset the trip, etc. I pointed out the
obvious absurdity - "I just happened to
be in the neighborhood on business so I thought I would stop by the
White House and make a few pizzas." CJ responded with some insulting
and snarky comments, I responded in kind, and he banned me for being
insulting and snarky.

CJ seems more interested nowadays in criticizing conservatives than
liberals. He believes his blog is purifying the Republican party by
ridiculing creationists and sniffing out alleged stealth Nazis, yet he apparently sees no irony when he calls other people delusional.

Posted by: lostnearpittsburgh at April 17, 2009 11:12 PM (oUHTV)

263 259
I kinda feel like a piker! I have never been banned anywhere!
Posted by: Travis at April 17, 2009 11:07 PM (e8HvX)


Send me $10 and I'll ban you from here. You can boast about your first banning and I'll have $10.

You should bring in a hot dominatrix to punish bad boys and you can charge 500 bucks an hour.

The AoSHQ Banning Dominatrix - I have naughty thoughts now

Posted by: kbdabear at April 17, 2009 11:13 PM (miw86)

264 Naw andy, Ace hasn't hit me with the hammer for about. . .2 years?

It was a misunderstanding based on what I was actually saying, but while I was saying what I was actually saying I was using very racialy charged language.

He banned me earlier for something that I can't recall, and he let me back after about a week.

Then I was threatened with banning because of a racially charged discussion that Ace was a part of in the comments section and there were a handful of us who were talking about Longbows in 19th century warfare, and the efficacy of Longbows and Crossbows and shit.

It was a strange nigtht that night.

Posted by: Wickedpinto at April 17, 2009 11:13 PM (uU+Ss)

265 though Ace getting pissed off about the Longbows thing was wierd.
HA!
Haha!
Well he was in the middle of yelling at all of us and we weren't really even paying attention... just sorta shrugged, turned around and started talking about medieval weaponry right in the middle of his lecture.

Posted by: Entropy at April 17, 2009 11:14 PM (cok/k)

266 I can't remember if I got banned or put in moderation by ann althouse.

I make ONE gay joke about her son, who already heard it, from me, and she got all persnickety.

Posted by: Wickedpinto at April 17, 2009 11:15 PM (uU+Ss)

267 Dan-O
Prager doesn't support gay marriage and he's too nice to creationists/ID'ers. In a nutshell.

Posted by: USS Ben at April 17, 2009 11:15 PM (HiQWY)

268 261
Ace, I emailed you a few weeks back about being able to store your
threads that are highly thought provoking as well as educational,
inspiring and filled with cathartic goodies.

I thought of that too, but when I closed the file a window popped up saying "Your file is empty. Are you sure you want to save it Yes No"

Posted by: kbdabear at April 17, 2009 11:16 PM (miw86)

269 The AoSHQ Banning Dominatrix

Gee, who hangs out here that could fit that role?

Posted by: DrewM. at April 17, 2009 11:16 PM (hlYel)

270 That's why, back when my den of thieves still "followed" me at H1 I would always recommend a reference to Longbows.

That was a pretty fucking funny thread.

Posted by: Wickedpinto at April 17, 2009 11:17 PM (uU+Ss)

271 "I can't remember if I got banned or put in moderation by ann althouse."

Wait, you got banned at the place where trolls who get banned by Ace hang out?

LOLOLOL

Posted by: someone at April 17, 2009 11:17 PM (7KUMK)

272 258 If I remember right it was a reference to boogers.You. Are. Shitting me.
Posted by: Brewdog at April 17, 2009 11:10 PM (r9wXo)
Nope, I'm not kidding. I was posting there back around 2002, so it's been a long time. The official story from CJ is that it's got something to do with a childhood incident, but I seem to remember that booger story from the old days.

Posted by: digitalbrownshirt at April 17, 2009 11:17 PM (/O0iM)

273 ALTHOUGH, I still say that Washington's troops could have worked a number over the redcoats with some longbows.

Posted by: Entropy at April 17, 2009 11:17 PM (cok/k)

274
I thought the Soup Nazi's name was Yev Kasem. Nope. It's Charles Johnson

NO SOUP FOR YOU! COME BACK, ONE YEAR!!

Posted by: kbdabear at April 17, 2009 11:18 PM (miw86)

275
I can't remember if I got banned or put in moderation by ann althouse.

Could have been worse, you might have wound up engaged to her.

Posted by: DrewM. at April 17, 2009 11:18 PM (hlYel)

276 Banning Dominatrix is PattyAnn.

NOONE! FUCKS with PattyAnn.

Posted by: Wickedpinto at April 17, 2009 11:18 PM (uU+Ss)

277 Ace, I never thought I'd say this to a moron, much less a
guy-moron, but here goes:
You are so not a phony that it's like . . . unreal, dude!
And you give good movie review.
Can you cook?

Posted by: happyboobs at April 17, 2009 11:19 PM (Wt5vh)

278 She seems like a nice girl, and I don't know the story but if it is who I think it is, they seem nice as well.

A SUCKASS, but nice.

Posted by: Wickedpinto at April 17, 2009 11:19 PM (uU+Ss)

279 The only place I've ever been banned from is PS Live after about 4 hours of playing COD4. First and last time I cheated on my 360.

Posted by: digitalbrownshirt at April 17, 2009 11:20 PM (/O0iM)

280 No, it was after. But he's right about VB -- wolf in sheep's clothing.



Posted by: someone

Not sure I agree with you unless you have information I missed.

Vlaams Belang has defended Jews while the heroic leftists CJ loves so much were marching arm in arm with Hamas and their supporters.

Filip Dewinter...

"In our view, Judasm and Islam are absolute not two of the same kind. On the contrary, they are foes. One has to choose sides. Which side are you on in the "war on terror"? The side of western democracy and western civilization, with its Judeo-Christian roots, or the side of radical Islam? The side of Great-Britain, America and Israel, or the side of Iran, Sudan and the Taliban?"

He doesn't exactly sound like a rabid Jew hater.

Posted by: Travis at April 17, 2009 11:20 PM (e8HvX)

281 She's got some years on her but big deal? Older women are supposed to be unattractive that's why we download lolita porn.

Posted by: Wickedpinto at April 17, 2009 11:20 PM (uU+Ss)

282 Here's a game -- Characterize Beck and Johnson as particular weapons/torture devices.

I'd go with this:

Johnson = Iron Maiden. Tight fit, too constraining.
Beck = Grapeshot. Lethal in close.


Posted by: Purple Avenger at April 17, 2009 11:20 PM (ysoZG)

283 WP, all details in this piece

Posted by: someone at April 17, 2009 11:21 PM (7KUMK)

284 "He doesn't exactly sound like a rabid Jew hater."

That's the sheep's clothing. Not bored enough to track down the wolf stuff now. It's Europe, what do you expect?

Posted by: someone at April 17, 2009 11:23 PM (7KUMK)

285 OK, I should be watching Superbad on the Tivo instead of commenting, but it's all very nostalgic with WP here.

Posted by: someone at April 17, 2009 11:24 PM (7KUMK)

286 Most browsers have the ability to save a whole web page in viewable form and can ask how deep on the links you want to save. If you just do one level, its not going to blow out your disk space too quick. Combine that with some suitable directory structure that includes the post number for organizational purposes and I think you'll have a viable, albeit semi-manual, method.

Posted by: Purple Avenger at April 17, 2009 11:25 PM (ysoZG)

287 I did that about two years ago.
Me, too. The only time I went back was over the Israel-Hizb'Allah War... as he still does good work on Israel. And I will credit him as due for 2001-2007 but he's lost it for me on the Euro-Nazi thing---hey, I'd even support him back then over the Vlaams thing but then every third post was about them and it got boring. And whenever I checked back, it was every other third post was about Creationism. I'm not a Biblical literalist but ignoring that 'evangelical atheists' in the school system are using evolution to attack religious beliefs creating a backlash with the literalists who are fighting back at the local school board level as being a threat to democracy pissed me off. And then denying that Social Darwinism had anything to do with Early 20th Century eugenics' movements (call for Margaret Sanger, call for Margaret Sanger) and that had nothing to do with the Nazis' eugenicist beliefs out of, I assume, Charles's belief that nothing he supports could be linked to the Nazis, did it for me.

Posted by: andycanuck at April 17, 2009 11:25 PM (vulJH)

288 It's Europe, what do you expect?
Precisely. It's Europe.
VB ain't bad. They're not nazis, and even if they were, they'd be harmless nazis.
Charles was getting most of his crappy guilt-by-association information from their partisan communist political opponents and taking it all at face value.

Posted by: Entropy at April 17, 2009 11:25 PM (cok/k)

289 Johnson = Iron Maiden. Tight fit, too constraining.

WARNING: Any mention of Iron Maiden will result in Hair Metal Band vids

Iron Maiden - Run For the Hills

Posted by: kbdabear at April 17, 2009 11:26 PM (miw86)

290 I'm staying out of this. I prefer to see the glass as half-full rather than half-empty, all around.
I'm not going to piss on anybody's rug, because I don't think they have it coming.
There are blogs where I've madea point of hosing the carpets (and been banned, which was fine with me), but none of them remotely resemble this one, or Protein Widom, or LGF etc. etc.
Blogs change. People change. Most importantly, times change.
A way forward is being worked out in the good oldtradition of grassroots Americanpolitical movements - with a series of drunken debates and drunken fist fights.
'Twas ever thus. The revolutionaries of the 1770s - same degree of disagreement and infighting, if not more.
I will start punching and getting punched when I think Ihave something to say. Right now I am listening.

Posted by: Wm T Sherman at April 17, 2009 11:26 PM (Sv5nQ)

291 ALTHOUGH, I still say that Washington's troops could have worked a number over the redcoats with some longbows.

Posted by: Entropy

Well the discussion consisted of the terrain that applied to the first battle of manassass if I recall correctly, later called bull run during the civil war.

There were two overlooking hills, and longbows might have been effective, since the union fighters had established positions.

Someone, I can't remember who, kept getting pissed that we would reference the fact that the discussion started with some female commenter who was reading a book asking a question of people with experience.

And I said something like "I have no experience," and then in comes you and Steve, the artist formerly known as ed snate, it was basicaly 5 of the top 20 commenters who took part in that convo.

FUNNY SHIT


Posted by: Wickedpinto at April 17, 2009 11:27 PM (uU+Ss)

292 I do remember the Night of the Longbows, Wicked.

Posted by: andycanuck at April 17, 2009 11:29 PM (vulJH)

293 WARNING: Any mention of Iron Maiden will result in Hair Metal Band vids
Well, if you insist...
http://tinyurl.com/d4yr5r

Posted by: Entropy at April 17, 2009 11:30 PM (cok/k)

294 Charles is a bit like Jewel was 6 years ago. She built up a fan base who either liked her folk/country soft pop or masturbated to fantasies of tit-fucking her.

Then she tried the hip-hop bit. It was as painful to watch as Pat Boone trying heavy metal. Yes, I know he really did, but it was for irony, Jewel took herself seriously.

Flip off the fan base you built up, fine. But don't be surprised when you're trying to resuscitate your dead career a few years later on Dancing with the Has-Beens

Posted by: kbdabear at April 17, 2009 11:34 PM (miw86)

295 Heaven Can Wait is better, but CaughtSomewhere in Time rocks harder.

Posted by: Entropy at April 17, 2009 11:34 PM (cok/k)

296 I would so totally tit-fuck Jewel.
I want to hump that gap in her teeth.

Posted by: Entropy at April 17, 2009 11:35 PM (cok/k)

297 "Bass players who think they deserve center stage"

*cough* Geddy Lee *cough*

Posted by: sithkhan at April 17, 2009 11:36 PM (GuZKu)

298 Charles deserves to be thrown off a bridge.

Barring that, he deserves all of the DDOS attacks that he gets.

Calling all /b/-tards.

Posted by: Pipe Barackage at April 17, 2009 11:37 PM (Z9IOH)

299 283

Are you aware of the fact that I'm leaving this country that I love and served for a time so that I can be with a woman that I haven't seen in 10 years?

I see nothing wrong with internet romances, because I'm not an ugly guy, and I'm actually do quite well with the wimmins, but always at the back of my head is the time I spent with a girl I met 16 years ago while playing a game, and I fell in love.

I've had other loves, and I could just keep her has a reminder, the thing is that those other loves got sick of waiting and got married, and fact be told good for me, because, I would always think of her.

She's the one I love, she's the one I need, and it is a situation that won't die until we ride it into the ground.

She's always been my girl, and I've always been her man, so, in the next few months, I'm leaving this country that I love (not because of obama) because I love her more than anythingelse I can think of.

I attached ONE, ONE caveat to our joining, if we marry, It's still iffy, but I don't think by much, and if we have kids, our kids WILL be born on US land, because my children will be raised, with Australian accents, knowing that one day they COULD be President of The United States of America, and unlike Obama, I will be a walker running senile old fool waving their birth certificates.

I love that girl, and she's mine, and I will prove it before long.

I even have my new moniker picked out if (likely) things work out.

BTW, she's HOT!

Posted by: Wickedpinto at April 17, 2009 11:37 PM (uU+Ss)

300 http://tinyurl.com/ckhox4
Bass player who DOES deserve center stage:
http://tinyurl.com/2jdbb6

Posted by: Entropy at April 17, 2009 11:37 PM (cok/k)

301 I feew the same way about Wetterman, Entwopy.

Posted by: bawney fwank at April 17, 2009 11:38 PM (vulJH)

302 "Bass players who think they deserve center stage"

*cough* Geddy Lee *cough*


Posted by: sithkhan at April 17, 2009 11:36 PM (GuZKu)

Dude! He's the lead singer.

Posted by: Rocks at April 17, 2009 11:39 PM (3RHzM)

303 geddy doesn't count, because he's a front man for his voice.

a lot of people sing MUCH MUCH MUCH better than geddy, it's just that geddy is so FUCKING DISTINCT!!!!

I always think that geddy looks like the guy from "The Warriors," and "DreamScape," There is something DIRTY about him.

Wooten owns the stage JUST cuz he can wail that bass.

Posted by: Wickedpinto at April 17, 2009 11:40 PM (uU+Ss)

304 Jewel doing vixen was just an insult to everyone who genuinely liked her first album.

I don't even know if she's alive or dead, though I hope she donated her boobs to science, and her teeth to anthropologists.

Posted by: Wickedpinto at April 17, 2009 11:42 PM (uU+Ss)

305 Hey, just got banned at LGF for having a dissenting opinion!! Surprise, surprise. Charles is one weird fellow IMHO

Posted by: holycrusader at April 17, 2009 11:43 PM (GU73k)

306 Jewel doing vixen was just an insult to everyone who genuinely liked her first album.I don't even know if she's alive or dead, though I hope she donated her boobs to science, and her teeth to anthropologists.



Posted by: Wickedpinto

Is she the same one who played in the movie 'Ride With The Devil'?

Posted by: Travis at April 17, 2009 11:44 PM (e8HvX)

307 Avenger, I know I could do that but in this new and exciting era of having more people working in gov't than in the private sector AND getting unicorns, I was hoping Ace could do the storing for me.I'll give that a shot thanks for the suggestion...Ace, I'm still holding out hope for that login and storage plan you may or may not be considering.

Posted by: G.W. McLintock at April 17, 2009 11:45 PM (I2lWD)

308 295

Heaven Can Wait is better, but CaughtSomewhere in Time rocks harder.


I'll see your Caught Somewhere in Time and raise you Hallowed Be Thy Name.

Posted by: stanthecaddy at April 17, 2009 11:48 PM (UKELC)

309 But he's right about VB -- wolf in sheep's clothing.
Posted by: someone
Well, that pretty much holds true for all the political parties there doesn't it? Certainly the Leftists who are in power are anti-semites (most don't even try to hide it). I'm still not sure if VB has really changed or just pays lip service to Israel but theysound friendlier than the Leftists. Still, there's no lack of dark pasts to go around.

Posted by: USS Ben at April 17, 2009 11:48 PM (HiQWY)

310 Jewel? Or Dixie Chicks? Anyway....Charles has two gold albums and one platinum. He told the other lizards. Wow! Huh?

Posted by: Jay at April 17, 2009 11:51 PM (vEDvL)

311 WickedPinto -

Which country?

Posted by: Pipe Barackage at April 17, 2009 11:51 PM (Z9IOH)

312 And by the way, I posted a comment on LGF just a couple of days ago, disagreeing with Charles about the tea parties. Amazingly enough, I didn't get banned. Maybe that's because I kept my comments civil, instead of personally attacking him.
Or maybe it's because you ARE Charles Johnson - ISN'T IT, CHARLES?
AND YOU ARE ROBERT SPENCER!

Posted by: Jack Bauer's Evil Brother at April 17, 2009 11:54 PM (02gCE)

313 http://tinyurl.com/c2lths
They dared to go... where no one would try!
They chose to fly...

Posted by: Entropy at April 17, 2009 11:55 PM (cok/k)

314 310 Jewel? Or Dixie Chicks? Anyway....Charles has two gold albums and one platinum. He told the other lizards. Wow! Huh?
Posted by: Jay at April 17, 2009 11:51 PM (vEDvL)
How many do the Jonas Brothers have?

Posted by: digitalbrownshirt at April 17, 2009 11:55 PM (/O0iM)

315 http://tinyurl.com/czlcjr

Run, live to fly, fly to live, do or die

Run, live to fly, fly to live. aces high...

Posted by: stanthecaddy at April 17, 2009 11:56 PM (UKELC)

316 Prager doesn't support gay marriage and he's too nice to creationists/ID'ers. In a nutshell.

Prager, a thoughtful intellectual who treats everyone with respect, even those whose views are 180 degrees out of phase with his own.

No wonder CJ dumps on him.

Posted by: mikey at April 17, 2009 11:58 PM (fvlUJ)

317 How many do the Jonas Brothers have?


Posted by: digitalbrownshirt

Who gives a shit?

Posted by: Travis at April 17, 2009 11:58 PM (e8HvX)

318 Hey Jack Bauer's Evil Brother! We got banned at around the same time. Nothing you did waranted that. I'm certainly not going to click on CJ's web site again.

Posted by: holycrusader at April 17, 2009 11:59 PM (GU73k)

319 So long as it's with Bruce Dickenson, there are no bad Iron Maiden albums.
There's just such a wealth of totally kickass tunes. I love all of it.
I'm pretty sure I've narrowed down what I think was their best album to Brave New World, Seventh Son of a Seventh Son, Peace of Mind, Somewhere in Time,and Powerslave.
Definetly one of those...

Posted by: Entropy at April 18, 2009 12:01 AM (cok/k)

320 And by the way, I posted a comment on LGF just a couple of days
ago, disagreeing with Charles about the tea parties. Amazingly enough,
I didn't get banned. Maybe that's because I kept my comments civil,
instead of personally attacking him.

CJ has a wide variance of perspective on what he considers a personal attack and what he considers civil.

Never waste your time around someone who makes you walk on eggshells.

Posted by: kbdabear at April 18, 2009 12:01 AM (miw86)

321 How can you omit this one?

Posted by: someone at April 18, 2009 12:02 AM (7KUMK)

322 I bet he's a libertarian too.
Guys way too big on military history and dystopian science fiction to be a moonbat.

Posted by: Entropy at April 18, 2009 12:03 AM (cok/k)

323 Travis: That was my point. Who gives a shit about gold albums?

Posted by: digitalbrownshirt at April 18, 2009 12:03 AM (/O0iM)

324 Half a league, half a league, half a league onward,
All in the Valley of Death rode the 600.

Posted by: Entropy at April 18, 2009 12:04 AM (cok/k)

325 Shit, when you started talking about Pam vlogging in a bikini, I did a search, first up was Bikini Blog. nsfw

And you are all welcome.

Posted by: mrcaniac at April 18, 2009 12:04 AM (Rbulg)

326 Travis: That was my point. Who gives a shit about gold albums?



Posted by: digitalbrownshirt

Yeah I hear you. Charles Johnson seems entirely too taken with himself!

Posted by: Travis at April 18, 2009 12:07 AM (e8HvX)

327 Entropy-
The Paul Di'Anno albums were pretty good (Can't go wrong with Wrathchild). I've never listened to the Blaze Bayley albums all of the way through, but I admit to having a soft spot for The Sign of the Cross and The Clansman. Having said that, I'd agree with your list- and I've got to give a shout out to Dance of Death, which had some badass tunes on it. Can't go wrong with Paschendale.

Posted by: stanthecaddy at April 18, 2009 12:07 AM (UKELC)

328 OK, one not from Steve Harris

Metallica in their good days

Posted by: someone at April 18, 2009 12:07 AM (7KUMK)

329 Pipe,

Oz.

Posted by: Wickedpinto at April 18, 2009 12:08 AM (uU+Ss)

330 Hey Jack Bauer's Evil Brother! We got banned at around the same time. Nothing you did waranted that. I'm certainly not going to click on CJ's web site again.
You're absolutely wrong. I have not been banned, and in fact, I just posted another comment over there.

Posted by: Jack Bauer's Evil Brother at April 18, 2009 12:10 AM (02gCE)

331 And for reasons which I cannot comprehend, this still cracks me up:

Iron Maiden shreds

Posted by: stanthecaddy at April 18, 2009 12:10 AM (UKELC)

332 Iron Maiden just isn't Iron Maiden without Bruce. Tremendous voice and very distinct.
Paschendale rocks, and I like Rainmaker, but Dance of Death has a few misses on it. (Like Dance of Death).
I heard a few misses on A Matter of Life and Death too, but The Pilgrim and Longest Day are enough on their own to redeem the whole album.

Posted by: Entropy at April 18, 2009 12:15 AM (cok/k)

333 Here's a recent music video of Jewel, she's doing more Country now. I thought it was a pretty nice song.

gator might really love this video. Jewel, big titties, crooked teeth, a 68 Dodge Charger and a 79 Pontiac Firebird

Jewel - I Do

Posted by: kbdabear at April 18, 2009 12:16 AM (miw86)

334 LOFL - "Slayer Shreds".
OK that is pretty funny.

Posted by: Entropy at April 18, 2009 12:17 AM (cok/k)

335 That's why I'm hesitant to speak too highly of Dance of Death or A Matter of Life and Death- the records are spotty overall. Some great stuff, some songs that aren't so good. I'll go ahead and say that Brave New World is the best Dickinson album that's come out since Seventh Son. BNW is pretty solid, overall. Only a couple spots where that drags a bit.

Posted by: stanthecaddy at April 18, 2009 12:17 AM (UKELC)

336 kbka,
Jewel kinda "kittened" herself up when she went country. She ain't too shy about showing off her rack now.

Posted by: mrcaniac at April 18, 2009 12:23 AM (Rbulg)

337 She was girl next door with a good voice.

Posted by: Wickedpinto at April 18, 2009 12:26 AM (uU+Ss)

338 I actually love Brave New World. Out of the Silent Planet, The Thin Line, Wicker Man, Mercenary,Dream of Mirrors, and my favorite Fallen Angel... badass album.

Posted by: Entropy at April 18, 2009 12:27 AM (cok/k)

339 The only non-Dickenson songs I really dog are the instrumentals...
Transylvania is quite possibly better then Losfer Words.

Posted by: Entropy at April 18, 2009 12:30 AM (cok/k)

340 Ditto. Can't forget Ghost Of the Navigator, and- despite the fact that it's one of the more unusual Iron Maiden tracks out there- Blood Brothers is pretty good.

Posted by: stanthecaddy at April 18, 2009 12:30 AM (UKELC)

341 I still contend that some of the non-Dickinson tracks- Wrathchild, Sign of the Cross, the Clansman- are good.

All three of which, coincidentally, Bruce sings on Rock in Rio. How's that for a happy medium?

Posted by: stanthecaddy at April 18, 2009 12:31 AM (UKELC)

342 I kinda feel like a piker! I have never been banned anywhere!
whoa how the hell did you get in here then? i wish i could remeber my lgf password so i could get my 26 second long blast on that homo chuck.
ive only been banned from a couple political sites.. other forums is another story.
i got banned from gsxr.com for threating physical violence against a mod.... to his face when i actually met him. what a pussy douche bag that guy was.

Posted by: unamerican hate mongering evil libertarian at April 18, 2009 12:33 AM (2J+Vs)

343 unamerican hate mongering evil libertarian

Truth in advertising?

Last guy who posted something on Chuckie's blog lasted all of 18 seconds. That's tolerance for you from the guy who hates those damn fascists.

Posted by: Travis at April 18, 2009 12:38 AM (e8HvX)

344 I was rejected once from being allowed to post on nakedgoldwings.com forum... apparently I didn't take the registration seriously enough.
Blew. My. Mind.
I want to talk about chopping up my 2 wheel winnebago into something resembling a bike..WTF do you want to know what I do for a living? I'm in the Nunya Business. I export STFU.

Posted by: Entropy at April 18, 2009 12:40 AM (cok/k)

345 310 Charles has two gold albums and one platinum. He told the other lizards.
Okay, I've been a Jazz follower for most of my life (so piss off, allyou Jazz bashers), and I've never ever HEARD of Charles Johnson until I started following his blog a few years ago. Whatever gold records hesupposedly has can't be because he's The Man.
When it became clear to me that he was essentially an ego-driven totalitarian who whipped out the ban stick when pushed into a logical argument he couldn't handle, I flew the coop willingly -- wouldn't give the poser the satisfaction of banning me. His site is generally devoid of real substance anyway -- it's merely a hubfor links tovarious articles elsewhere on the web.

Posted by: Freq'Sho at April 18, 2009 12:41 AM (voIlD)

346 I personally thought Chas was a nut from day 1. A decent blog, with some great work done, but I always sensed he had an attitude he was "better" than thepeons. I think banning is useful, I wish there was more of it on HotAir, but he gets crazy over any dissent. I started listening to Beck yrs ago, he hasn't changed, so I think that's the real him, take it or leave it. O'Reilly is unnerving, but I think he is ok, lots of old folks watch him, so he serves a purpose. I agree, CJ seems as if he would be happier going back to his 9/10/01 stances.

Posted by: di butler at April 18, 2009 12:42 AM (qPIRP)

347 Well, I dunno.. I suppose Iwould like it if I could forget I wasn't hearing Dickenson. Maybe I'll give Rock in Rio a listen.

Posted by: Entropy at April 18, 2009 12:44 AM (cok/k)

348 he was essentially an ego-driven totalitarian who whipped out the ban stick when pushed into a logical argument he couldn't handle,
Yes.
Ace has never done anything like that (or most people on the right, though quite a few on the left).
Banning people is a retort for him. Oh yeah? Uhh.. uhh.. well... STFU YOU BANNED!

Posted by: Entropy at April 18, 2009 12:46 AM (cok/k)

349 It's like a "Nyah nyah I can't hear you because you can't post anymore and I deleted your comment" response.
It's not spite - it never happened to me personally (I never commented once on that blog). I don't care much. But I just can't respect that. Dude's a lightweight. With a ginormous ego.

Posted by: Entropy at April 18, 2009 12:48 AM (cok/k)

350 LGF is going the way of Balloon Juice, it's just a matter of time. Creationism is his Terri Schiavo moment, the instant he decided he no longer wanted to be caught dead in the same room with SoCons of any stripe. Thus the transformation into "There is no god but Darwin and Chaz J is his Prophet."
Which isa damn shame, given that (unlike BJ) he's actually done some great work. But he's got an infallibility complex that rivals Sullivan's, and that has become his undoing.

Posted by: Steve the Pirate at April 18, 2009 01:01 AM (jM2b4)

351 the instant he decided he no longer wanted to be caught dead in the same room with SoCons of any stripe.

Posted by: Steve the Pirate

Obama was the primary catalyst I think. He like most leftists buys into the self-hatred so prevalent with liberals.

He is arguing on his site even now that National Socialists MUST be right-wing because they didn't like black people.

He thinks like a child. Ida Amin had a statue of Hitler when he was in power, but that sort of information simply doesn't compute with little Chuckie.

Posted by: Travis at April 18, 2009 01:06 AM (e8HvX)

352 masturbated to fantasies of tit-fucking her
Present!

Posted by: jaleach at April 18, 2009 01:28 AM (gHrZU)

353 Okay, I've been a Jazz follower for most of my life (so piss off, all you Jazz bashers), and I've never ever HEARD of Charles Johnson until I started following his blog a few years ago.
Same here, almost, but yesterday was the first time I ever heard that he's a musician. He's not on any of the many thousands of jazz records I have.
The only explanation I can think of is that he plays the kind of crap PBS rolls during station IDs. That's not jazz. It's crap.

Posted by: oblig. at April 18, 2009 01:33 AM (zOPHe)

354 I think he was just playing backup for someone else or something.

This from Wikipedia...

Extensive recording credits include at least three albums that went gold: Reach For It by George Duke, School Days by Stanley Clarke, and Live in London by Al Jarreau.

Posted by: Travis at April 18, 2009 01:48 AM (e8HvX)

355 You guys have no Stanley Clarke or George Duke in your collections? Al Jarreau? Diane Reeves?

Posted by: ThisSpaceForRent at April 18, 2009 01:49 AM (c6sY+)

356 And by the way, is this "bass player" thing a running joke or something? He's a guitar player.

Posted by: ThisSpaceForRent at April 18, 2009 01:51 AM (c6sY+)

357 You haven't lived 'til you've been banned from LGF. One mention of Val-U-Rite or hobos is enough.

Let alone if you start talking about how fond Arthur C. Clarke was of his houseboys...

Posted by: thecork at April 18, 2009 01:52 AM (za8iP)

358 Heh! Check out LGF post "What Right Wing Extremist?" from comment #519 on. It's funny as hell. You can hear the exasperation in Charles words.

Posted by: USS Ben at April 18, 2009 01:53 AM (HiQWY)

359 I kinda feel like a piker! I have never been banned anywhere!
I'm the only person at TPW who can get banned with a one-liner. I just won't tolerate the double standard there. Host gets to spout-off off-topic any time she pleases, but if you respond in-kind, look out. Fucking bullshit. She used to be more objective.
So I get banned two or three times a year.

Posted by: rdbrewer at April 18, 2009 01:55 AM (ajXGd)

360 Heh! Check out LGF post "What Right Wing Extremist?"
from comment #519 on. It's funny as hell. You can hear the exasperation
in Charles words.

Posted by: USS Ben

He's just getting pissed off that conservatives are not accepting the Fascist=right-wing bullshit at face value. He backs up his assertions with nothing except the inner knowledge of what his liberal professor told him all those years ago when he last had an original thought.

Posted by: Travis at April 18, 2009 02:12 AM (e8HvX)

361 He's just getting pissed off that conservatives are not accepting the
Fascist=right-wing bullshit at face value. He backs up his assertions
with nothing except the inner knowledge of what his liberal professor
told him all those years ago when he last had an original thought.

Yeah, it looks like very few even there are buying his claims. Maybe because his claim stinks like a pile of shit in the baking sun. What a fucking tool. He's fucking finished. Chucky, just pull your site and be done with it. You have NOTHING to offer anyone, anymore.

Posted by: jaleach at April 18, 2009 02:19 AM (gHrZU)

362 Yeah, it looks like very few even there are buying
his claims. Maybe because his claim stinks like a pile of shit in the
baking sun. What a fucking tool. He's fucking finished. Chucky, just
pull your site and be done with it. You have NOTHING to offer anyone,
anymore.



Posted by: jaleach

He's not finished any more than Kathleen Parker, Andrew Sullivan, Meghan McCain, or David Gergen are finished. The left needs tame 'conservatives' as examples to contrast with those right-wing extremists who are just 'beyond the pale'. He will come in from the cold and be welcomed back by the moonbat left as a 'real conservative' daring the wrath of those extremists and Christianists.

Posted by: Travis at April 18, 2009 02:25 AM (e8HvX)

363 #58
Hate on, Dude. Don't let me slow you down. LOL

Posted by: ThisSpaceForRent at April 18, 2009 02:53 AM (c6sY+)

364 Charles Johnson has become a Supreme Blogtard!

He's mentally deficient and can't stand being called out when he's dead wrong. He uses the same kind of Blogtard logic the Hippies and radical Islamists use against him. Then he has the unmitigated gall to rant on Glen Beck ?

This is a prime example of why I quit LGF after the election, And will never go back. I hope Charles Johnson ends up choking on one of the turds he keeps spitting up out of his mouth one day.

Posted by: CrackrJak at April 18, 2009 03:01 AM (lXdDR)

365 I missed your post at #299 Wicked Pinto. Forgive me for being all girly, but that was some romantic shit right there. Hope it all works out for you.

Posted by: di butler at April 18, 2009 03:50 AM (qPIRP)

366 I've never ever HEARD of Charles Johnson until I started following his
blog a few years ago. Whatever gold records hesupposedly has can't be
because he's The Man.

You can go to Ringo Starr's mansion and he can show you tons of Gold Records. Mike Love has a shitload of Gold Records and people actually know who he is, although personally he's a dick. That doesn't make him Brian Wilson though.

Want to hear something hilarious? That Susan Boyle everyone talks about was being interviewed by someone here in the states. When the newsette told her that Ashton Kutcher was all thrilled by her performance, she didn't know who he was.

"Owwww duuuuuude!!"

Posted by: kbdabear at April 18, 2009 04:25 AM (miw86)

367 To clarify my above post;

I'm not mocking the wonderful Susan Boyle, I'm mocking that legend in his own mind Ashton Kutcher who must have been floored that no one knew who Ashton Fucking Kutcher is.

He's muscled up from being the ladyboy he was, so I assume he got sick of Demi smacking the shit out of him when there were dirty dishes in the sink. Those steroids are going to shrink what balls he might have had though.

Posted by: kbdabear at April 18, 2009 04:29 AM (miw86)

368 Posted by: Daryl Herbert at April 17, 2009 09:34 PM (vpcJV)
We should all wish him well on whatever he wants to do from here on out.
Oh but it is perfectly clear what he wants to do from here on out. He wants to kick the living shit out of conservatives whilesiding with our enemies. Should we wish him well on this noble effort? He has made it perfectly clear recently that his ego and his personalinterests (like his image, dislike of creationism and so on) are so much more important to him than advancing anti-islamist cause one may wonder if his previous efforts were propelled by some sort of personal interest as well (his dislike of religion in general perhaps).
Don't be one of those insane obsessed trolls who refuses to move on. Don't act like you're entitled to have Charles Johnson agree with you.
And who's acting like this? Everybody just attacking Johnson in response of being attacked by him. If anything can bury conservatism in US it is this retarded mentality: you are being assaultedand instead of counter assaulting you say thingslike "oh but they surely mean well", "we should wish him well", "we should thank him" etc ad nauseum. Try this attitude in anything in life that requires fighting and you'll quickly learn yourmistake.


Posted by: AlexD at April 18, 2009 04:58 AM (3iydB)

369 CJ will soon get his desired ego fix. The media will be trotting him out at every opportunity, representing him as a conservative blogger, just as CNN used to represent David Gergen as a Reagan advisor.

Posted by: lostnearpittsburgh at April 18, 2009 06:47 AM (oUHTV)

370 Charles Johnson splatters his spleen over the mere sight of scarfs; seriously, the man has narrow vision overloaded with piles of paranoia.

Posted by: syn at April 18, 2009 07:17 AM (PzIV6)

371 Everybody just attacking Johnson in response of being attacked by him. If anything can bury conservatism in US it is this retarded mentality: you are being assaultedand instead of counter assaulting you say thingslike "oh but they surely mean well", "we should wish him well", "we should thank him" etc ad nauseum. Try this attitude in anything in life that requires fighting and you'll quickly learn yourmistake."
Yeah! Well said, AlexD. The reality of consequences trumps fantasy every time. Besides, I'm purty sure Charles doesn't wish us well...we're now his targets.

Posted by: USS Ben at April 18, 2009 07:28 AM (IrNpn)

372 Anyone who read the whole brouhaha over how Bush bending to have an award placed over his head was the same as Obama bowing to the keeper of Mecca knows just how off his rocker Charles has gone. The picture and caption he used was every bit as bad as what Rather did with the fake memos. It is possible to make the point that we have been too nice to the Saudis without resorting to lies and distortions. It would also be nice to see some acknowledgment that we have to get oil from somewhere and everyone who has it is a despot of some sort or the other.

Posted by: Ben Franklin at April 18, 2009 07:45 AM (qpkkH)

373 I read LGF. I don't see it as a liberal blog. I read this blog, and it's more conservative than LGF, but I think that reasonable people can disagree.

Charles is right when he takes on people that clamor to teach creationism in the schools-if you believe this it is properly taught at home.

Charles was right to at least compare the Bush bow to the Obama bow. It gives you perspective.

For conservatism to win, we have to have principles-but we can't be so dogmatic that we fail to at least see and try to understand other points of view.

LGF is great for uncovering a lot of hate from various sources. LGF did not support Obama, and was outraged just like other conservative blogs at media coverage.

While I am a Christian, I don't think any one religion holds all the marbles when it comes to Christianity, and I don't think that any one blog holds all the cards when it comes to conservatism. My guess is that on the basic points of conservatism, freedom-limited government, this blog and LGF agree. We do need to keep a separation of church and state. While I would agree that the founding fathers used Christian values to form the basis of their thoughts regarding the Bill of Rights and Constitution; they were smart enough to know that man's thought and opinion changes through time, and that someday if we based our society solely on religion we(man) would corrupt what they were trying to do in the end.

Religious zealots and extremists in any form are dangerous to a free society.

Posted by: jeff at April 18, 2009 08:07 AM (+uGQX)

374 Charles Johnson looks like Ward Churchill...too funny. He's number 21 in thisgallery of bloggers.
http://tinyurl.com/d9qxvu
And people are right, gold records are not that big of a deal any more, especially if you are simply a back-up player...now, several platinum ones, yes.

Posted by: Deanna at April 18, 2009 08:13 AM (LgWyu)

375 #373
For conservatism to win, we have to have principles-but we can't be so dogmatic that we fail to at least see and try to understand other points of view.

Um. Try telling that to charles just before he bans your ass. Explain to him how important your "other" point of view is on his blog.

Posted by: tangonine at April 18, 2009 08:26 AM (C8Pcc)

376 #373
Oh, and if you think teaching creationism in school is actually a church/state issue then you need to read the constitution. I'm not a creationist-in-school person per-se, but I do know what the constitution says about church and state and they two are not related.
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof"
Where in thatstatementis teaching intelligent design covered? I don't see any laws being made by congress on the issue so I think we're done.

Posted by: tangonine at April 18, 2009 08:31 AM (C8Pcc)

377 #376

Is there any bonafide replicated scientific fact on intelligent design or creationism? To my knowledge it's a theory-and one that is generally publicized by religious zealots seeking to "Christianize" everyone. Their point of view is that if you don't believe in the resurrection, you will not have an after life.
Creationism has no basis in scientific fact, nor can has anyone used the scientific method to prove it. No one is prohibiting anyone believing or teaching creationism within the privacy of their own home, but in a public school it should not be taught.

Until there is, you shouldn't teach it.

Posted by: jeff at April 18, 2009 08:41 AM (+uGQX)

378 Jeff, I'd like you to expand what you're saying here:
While I am a Christian, I don't think any one religion holds all the marbles when it comes to Christianity, and I don't think that any one blog holds all the cards when it comes to conservatism.
Because it sounds like you're sayiing that Christianity isn't the only religion that is correct. Which might be true, but it also means you aren't a Christian. Christianity is requires you to believe in only one way.
I'm not trying to be a dick, I'm just trying to better understand your point.

Posted by: digitalbrownshirt at April 18, 2009 09:00 AM (/O0iM)

379 Is there any bonafide replicated scientific fact on intelligent design or creationism?
There isn't any scientific fact on global warming but it's taught in every freakin' class in public schools.

Posted by: Tami at April 18, 2009 09:00 AM (GkYyh)

380 Ace my whole problem here on the stance your taking with LGF is that you agreed with Allah's and Patterico's takes on Rush vis avis David Frum.. In fact, that one Sunday, the same Sunday where Jack M. and Jimbo had their famous dustup, where you felt the need to post continuously on your defense of that position concerning Rush, because 2/3rd's of us didn't agree with you, in fact that's just about all that was posted that day.

Now we have Charles at LGF in a major spat with another prominent talk radio pundit, who by the way consider's himself more libertarian than conservative (that is if you ask him). Now I undertand that you don't want to go all red on red here but LGF ain't exactly all that red these day's, in fact it's starting to look quite aquamarine. If it weren't for attacking prominent conservatives these day's, C.J. wouldn't have a damn thing to talk about.

Don't get me wrong, C.J.'s done alot of good for our side but I'm afraid those were the halcyon day's for him.

If you want to walk the fence, that's fine, just think it's a bit much that you won't take a position now, when you took such a strong position a few week's ago. Is it because you can't bring yourself to offend C.J. because he may cut your linky off , because he has such a massive membership? Either way, sooner or later C.J'sgonna do something really really stupid that will make you reconsider that stance, and your weak position on this.

I think your whistling past the graveyard here.

Posted by: Blazer at April 18, 2009 09:17 AM (+FzLa)

381 This is our biggest problem: all the ridiculous fighting amongst overselves. The left doesn't even need to bother. How in the hell are we going to be able to put together any sort of cohesive message if we can't find common ground within our own ranks? So freaking stupid. We don't all have to agree on everything. Now, can we move on? Jeebus, it's high school all over again.

Posted by: Sweet Sarah at April 18, 2009 09:19 AM (YSw27)

382 It is possible to make the point that we have been too nice to the Saudis without resorting to lies and distortions.
No conservative defended Bush over the handholding etc. with the Saudis. And it's a matter of balance---he's gone too extreme and it is driving people away.
What about the anti-religious zealots? They've killed 100s of millions in the past 100 years. I haven't seen Christians, not even Biblical literalist Protestants, not even their real pain in the ass self-righteous minority, do anything even close to that on any scale.
And it's alot easier for leftists to take over a school board as they usually have the support of the teachers' union and often the state than to worry about literalists taking over a school board in an area where they aren't a large minority or a majority and so have an effect democratically. So I 'd be more worried about that than your kids' half-assed grade school or high school science courses (assuming you've got kids) being affected by literalists.
BTW, the American separation of church and state began in the mid-19th Century to deny public funding to Roman Catholic schools not as part of the Founders' Anti-Establishment Clause.

Posted by: andycanuck at April 18, 2009 09:31 AM (vulJH)

383 I want Charles Johnson to fail.

Is that unpatriotic?

Posted by: Polynikes at April 18, 2009 09:46 AM (Bewtu)

384 i'm just sad that lgf has changed so much. it started with the banning of all the best lizards a year ago over vlaams blag. if you didn't agree that they were neo nazi's you were banned. then the editing of comments fiasco. the host was called on it, he denied it and the best lizard ever was banned and her existence along with her defenders were erased from the blog. the erasing of peoples existence was uber creepy....lizards with tens of thousands of comments just disappeared. then the comparisons of christians to islamists got a bunch more banned. you'd think those making the comparison would be cut loose but actually those christian apologists defending their faith against the absurd comparisons got the stick. then the bullies, and they know who they are, began abusing the up and down dinging of comments of "those who were pissing on the rug of the host". insults and personal attacks by some were tolerated as long as they were on the hosts side, any contrary positions are silenced. i love when the bullies come out with a position before the host makes his thoughts known. sadly, they are like abused women, back tracking, claiming they read the situation wrong, apologizing so as not to anger the host. if you claimed to have a friendship with or respect a banned lizard, you would get the stick. if you commented on another blog that was deemed "impure" or linked an "impure" blog to your own personal blog, well you were banned. we've all seen the "under the bus" crowd. it grows each day. now if you like beck, rush, hannity, steyn, spencer, pamela, fox news in general, BOLTON, ( bolton is suspect because he was on beck's show!) levin, rove, any conservative, if you went to a tea party, (which the host wanted to fail! but chastised rush for wanting the presidents policies to fail) if you don't give obama credit for rescuing the capt, you are an idiot. funny i watched the wife and the capt's press conference and they thanked everyone under the sun except the president. i wonder what that makes them? i miss the old days, the blog has evolved into something unrecognizable. the lounge was closed because of paranoia, for those who were not in there at the end.....the host apologized inside the lounge before he shut it down! then went ranting on the threads! odd behavior don't you think? i wish lgf well, i wish all the lizards there well, even the bullies. i hope they can figure out a way to discuss issues with out going the school yard bully route. it's ugly and really has become the joke of the blog world. ace you do great work here, thanks for the space to comment.

Posted by: phoenixgirl at April 18, 2009 09:59 AM (XUmfN)

385
I posted this on the thread at LGF. If I don't get banned, I'll be surprised.
"I watch Glenn Beck and come to this site, for basically the same reasons: to get commentary, information, and news on politics and issues that as a Republican, I feel are important.
This whole episode is sad. I've read both sides and what I see is a childish flame war between two people who are supposed to be on the same side of conservative issues. By the time you get done reading all of the traded insults between both camps, you have to wonder what the hell they were arguing over in the first place."

Posted by: al (I invented at April 18, 2009 10:15 AM (kNmyI)

386 I posted this on the thread at LGF. If I don't get banned, I'll be surprised.
"I watch Glenn Beck and come to this site, for basically the same reasons: to get commentary, information, and news on politics and issues that as a Republican, I feel are important.
This whole episode is sad. I've read both sides and what I see is a childish flame war between two people who are supposed to be on the same side of conservative issues. By the time you get done reading all of the traded insults between both camps, you have to wonder what the hell they were arguing over in the first place."

Posted by: sfcmac at April 18, 2009 10:16 AM (kNmyI)

387 sorry. double post.

Posted by: sfcmac at April 18, 2009 10:16 AM (kNmyI)

388 #375
Exactly.
Jeff, cut this crap about how we need to understand each other points of view. Robert Spencer understood Johnson's point of view on VB. He even made several postsin which he directly stated thatJohnson'shas legitimate concerns in his debate with fjordman over whether Israel supporting VBare actually Nazis.And what happened next? Johnson cut all ties with RSbecause the latter...wait for it...reinstated a link to Gates of Vienna. The only problem is that Johnson is a very self-centered, image-conscious jerk. He is a far more liability than an asset for a conservative movement.

Posted by: AlexD at April 18, 2009 10:41 AM (3iydB)

389 Just came across this one,sorry if it has already been posted.

Quite
funny though.The 2008 blog awards.


http://tinyurl.com/cmrr7m

Posted by: Ron. at April 18, 2009 10:48 AM (O977I)

390 We need to stop eating our own. I don't know how but it's a must. We have bigger fish after our rears.

Posted by: willow at April 18, 2009 10:51 AM (1kwr2)

391 Willow, I agree, but some bloggers take Christ's "you're either with me or against me" stance.

Jesus could get away with that; mere mortals, well, not so much.

Posted by: coward and I admit it at April 18, 2009 11:03 AM (3KCVn)

392 Peace Coward,
We have seen throughout Obamas campaign that he is willing to divide us, why help him,blieve me i'm very sensitive to bigotry and hope we all remain rational.

Posted by: willow at April 18, 2009 11:12 AM (1kwr2)

393 I never expected he'd have my back on any other issue so I can't really work up the sense of betrayal to cast him out.
I don't expect him to have our backs, but it would be nice if he could take a break from his endless jihad against us."Us" meaning 95% of people on the right, from libertarians to Christians. The man makes Frum seem like Ronald Reagan.

Posted by: flenser at April 18, 2009 11:13 AM (LuNXp)

394 At the Chicago Tea Party this week there was an assclown with a big sign, had the LGF logo and the littlegreenfootballs url all over it. It said "Don't let the racists and conspiracists ruin this rally!"
And that's LGF in a nutshell; egotism, paranoia, traitorism. Instead of supporting the rally against tyrannical taxation, they've got to put up a sign promoting themselves and hallucinating conservative racists and fascists around every corner and hiding in every shadow. It also gives CNN fodder to say "See? Even they know teabaggers are all racists and loons!" Nice going, assholes.Good to know Charles Johnson's worshippers are just as absolutely batshit nuts as he is.

Posted by: Crusty at April 18, 2009 11:19 AM (qzgbP)

395 CJ does deserve some credit for memogate and tracking crazy muslims around the world. However, he banned me for a very small slight- I only agreed with him a mere 90% on his pet issue. He is very sensitive.
I admit I was ticked when he banned me, but now I can't even overcome my repulsion to visit his site. I've been waiting for a CJ flame thread for a long time. Thanks, Ace.

Posted by: GregInSeattle at April 18, 2009 11:20 AM (gbGqE)

396 Leave Charles alone, stop picking on him! He is a wonderful jazz guitarist and a staunch defender fighting alone against the Islamofacist menace.

Only he has the power, the guts and the brains to defend us from those evil creationists who seek to pollute the minds of our children with thoughts of God.

Plus he rides bikes and look hot with his biking helmet and tight biker pants. I love the way his pony tail waves in the wind as he rides. Did I mention he plays guitar? My goodness he has GOLD records. We are not worthy to even speak his name.


Posted by: Liztard at April 18, 2009 11:45 AM (XriNy)

397 This is our biggest problem: all the ridiculous
fighting amongst overselves.

Posted by: Sweet Sarah

This isn't infighting between conservatives, because Charles Johnson isn't a conservative. He's a liberal.

Posted by: Travis at April 18, 2009 11:50 AM (UL7W6)

398 "This is our biggest problem: all the ridiculous fighting amongst overselves."

Why the fuck are you saying this here?

It's really simple. Chuck has started ripping on conservatives 24/7. Now that some of them want to defend themselves, you whip out this "can't we all get along?" and "unity" bullshit?

Fuck you.

Posted by: someone at April 18, 2009 12:05 PM (7KUMK)

399 I thought she was kidding.

Posted by: digitalbrownshirt at April 18, 2009 12:06 PM (/O0iM)

400 I think it might be necessary to have someone point out that pushing creationism ("ID") on the rest of us is not ok.
I don't know how "neccessary" it really is. On a list of the top fifty problems facing America creationism would not even make the list. A little perspective is in order here.

Posted by: flenser at April 18, 2009 12:06 PM (tKf/k)

401 Why the fuck are you saying this here?
No it makes sense actually.
Pacifists always aid aggressors.

Posted by: Entropy at April 18, 2009 12:11 PM (cok/k)

402 I'm kind of surprised that Charles hasn't unleashed his horde of sycophantic flying monkies on us. Just a few random squirrels. Kind of disappointing.

Posted by: digitalbrownshirt at April 18, 2009 12:11 PM (/O0iM)

403 Flenser , i agree with you the creationism isn't really priority at this point, Let G-d sort it out among believers, we have to fight for our country and the 48% of its citizens.

Posted by: willow at April 18, 2009 12:13 PM (1kwr2)

404 like to add and the rest of our country ,(yes even other dems)that might not undertsand (yes i'm paranoid) what might be going down.

Posted by: willow at April 18, 2009 12:19 PM (1kwr2)

405 I think it might be necessary to have someone point out that pushing creationism ("ID") on the rest of us is not ok.

Creationism and Intelligent Design are not the same thing, and why does it matter if they are taught in schools? Is being exposed to another point of view that frightening?

And no, I do not believe in God!

Posted by: Travis at April 18, 2009 12:19 PM (UL7W6)

406 I got sick of the creationism posts about a year ago and quit via a comment on his blog. Then he basically said, "You can't quit, I'm banning you!"

LGF was a great place to hang out from 9/11 up til a couple of years ago. Now it's just a wasteland. Sad, really. But Ace of Spades and Hot Air have more than picked up the slack.

Posted by: packsoldier at April 18, 2009 12:23 PM (Opr92)

407 Wow...sorry I missed out on this thread. Serves my ass right for going out last night to catch a band then sleeping in this morning as a result.

I strained to remain apolitical until I retired from the USAF in early 2005. I was already painfully aware of media bias so I started reading blogs at that time for news, and LGF was one of the first (maybe THE first) ones I started visiting regularly. I'm still registered there but really stopped reading it when CJ launched the Great Creationism Jihad.

I think about the same time he got on the creationism thing, he got into policing readers' comments like, well, one of the right-wing extremist thugs he rails on about. Last night in this thread, he started playing whack-a-mole with dissenting comments almost immediately, first by firing back at dissenters, then by banning them.

A guy name "Benschachar" was banned for this comment:
Funny thing about that, Charles, I'm sitting here looking through the talking points of the Republican party and I don't see anything about killing all the jews.You know, some of us in this big old blogosphere might protest the use of phrases such as "right wing" because it's an outdated way of representing political ideology. Unless you come up with something more substantial, like a voting record, I have to say that there's no clear evidence he's a Republican.
Reader "holycrusader" got banned for saying this:
After reading this, It really wouldn't surprise me if she set the whole
thing up to frame the murder of her husband. It's just too bizarre to
be believable. It's very elaborate but I could see it happening. She
would have to be very calculating, but it is possible. Where's Colombo
when you need him?Nothing offensive, just the temerity to disagree with the Lizard King. His pattern now is to post a new thread, then watch the comments for any sign of dissent, and he's become creepily obsessive about it.

It's a damned shame...that used to be a good blog.

Posted by: Eric at April 18, 2009 12:30 PM (quZLX)

408 I wish I could say that all this caused me to turn against him, but the truth is LGF just sucks. It's been an echo chamber for a long time. Charles posts something and then there's 3 pages of people sucking his e-cock.

Posted by: carl hungus at April 18, 2009 12:44 PM (vgaob)

409 CJ has gone around the bend. He has come to believe all the platitudes that his kiss asses pile on him. Kilgore Trout , Sharmuta, Mandy Manners to name a few. These are his site watchers that, like the Gestapo, report on ANY imagined or real infraction. During a conversation with Kilgore on G-D he told me F--ck your god. He's still there in good standing, while those who would defend with decorum their belief in G-D are banned. I grew tired after reading for 4 years of the constant banning of some of his best and most intelligent posters over bulls-it. Mamma Winger and so many more who had the nerve to take a stand for their belief in G-D. Charles you are a mighty little man with PUSS for a soul.

Posted by: jainphx at April 18, 2009 12:58 PM (7pvWO)

410 Fuck Hawaii Johnson. Any reference to this middle aged retard is a fucking waste of precious kilobytes on Ace's server.

Posted by: Hassidic Rabbit at April 18, 2009 01:14 PM (k638i)

411 I'm kind of surprised that Charles hasn't unleashed
his horde of sycophantic flying monkies on us. Just a few random
squirrels. Kind of disappointing.

That's because there is no "horde". There are just a few sock-suckers with multiple sockpuppets on Hawaii Johnson's excrement-laden blog. Here we have IP identifyers so there's no use in exploiting the sockpuppet strategy.

Posted by: Hassidic Rabbit at April 18, 2009 01:19 PM (k638i)

412 In fairness: per Wikipedia, Charles Foster ("Icarus") Johnson has been a sideman with some of the greats (Al Jarreau, Jaco Pastorius etc.), but I don't see much if any solo work. Clearly, the guy is even less to be sneered at than say Susan Boyle...for THAT. I gave up on his blog though when he went jihadi on Ron Paul.

Posted by: Jeffrey Quick at April 18, 2009 01:29 PM (g9neE)

413 The commenters leftthere are so bored with coming up with new ways to kiss his ass, that even on threads where Charles gives multiple warnings that there are "down dings" or another blogger talking about him, they choose to make it a pun thread instead.

Posted by: Who Knows at April 18, 2009 01:30 PM (7FgWm)

414 I remember telling CJ that I planned to have a few beers while watching my pitbulls skullfuck his exit wounds and he got all bent out of shape and banned me. I must say, his behavior was unseemly.

Posted by: Corona at April 18, 2009 01:42 PM (hyUeL)

415 Ace must be anti-science and a creationist, but I repeat myself, as he hasn't taken my side in this.

/Charles Johnson

Posted by: Mark at April 18, 2009 02:33 PM (yIWf7)

416 Charles Johnson suffersfrom gargantuan, wheelbarrow-sized hemorrhoids. These collossal bun-muffins disruptCJ's sleep habits,impede his basic physical movements, and frequentlyinhibit his ability to think clearly. We shouldn't be mocking Charles, we should pity him and help him. Try putting a Volkswagen in the small of your back tonight before you go to bed. Now imagine thatthat VW is white-hot, and smells faintly of vaseline and poo. Now you know what Charles is going through.

Posted by: Sam Adams at April 18, 2009 03:29 PM (/kieg)

417 Charles Johnson is a fag. I'm not saying that he likes to sleep with his buddies, but in all other respects, he's a huge fag.

Posted by: Kevin at April 18, 2009 03:38 PM (2pSub)

418 re:
"And people are right, gold records are not that big of a deal any more, especially if you are simply a back-up player...now, several platinum ones, yes."
That's true. I'm reading the thread backwards today, so I haven't yet seen what you're responding to...so I feel compelled to add that "School Days" was recorded in the mid-seventies, and it's a jazz record, which makes going gold that much more impressive. He deserves his due in this regard, and his due is considerable.
I have to agree with the person who made the divorce analogy. It's beginning to look as though CJ has fallen out of "love", if he was ever in it to begin with.
But one thing I have to say in his defense:
Remember that YouTube vid that circulated with the guy daring his buddy to go up to the cop and flip him off, and how they were shocked when the cop started beating on him with a stick? That's what some people remind me of. I've seen Charles ban people who were perfectly polite and definitely not "kooks"(which I acknowledge is his prerogative, though I hate it when he does that), but anyone who walks up to the guy with middle digits extended and then complains when he pops 'em with the stick is someone it's harder to have sympathy for. It's his blog, after all.

Posted by: ThisSpaceForRent at April 18, 2009 03:50 PM (c6sY+)

419 It's his blog, after all.



Posted by: ThisSpaceForRent

And the Kos Kiddies have their blog. They run it their way. That doesn't mean I have any respect for the little shits, or Chuckie. They are peas in a pod.

Ace has been assailed by a lot of people on this (his) blog about initially supporting the Stimulus package, as well as his take on the Rush Limbaugh dust up. It got pretty testy at times. He never banned anyone for disagreeing with him! Not one person.

Posted by: Travis at April 18, 2009 04:11 PM (UL7W6)

420 > 389 Just came across this one,sorry if it has already been posted.

Quite funny though.The 2008 blog awards.

http://tinyurl.com/cmrr7m

Posted by: Ron.

That's some funny stuff. I love those "downfall" adaptations. I notice there's a sequel as well.

BTW, when LGF opens registration you normally see new signups at a rate of about 100 per hour. Yesterday's signup only attracted 35 in 44 minutes.

Posted by: Comrade Arthur at April 18, 2009 04:12 PM (Aa7kB)

421 Glad I'm not the only one who's noticed the downhill slide at LGF. He used to do a nice job of keeping up the good fight against Islamofascists and everything. To me the change seemed very noticeable right after the election and especially after BO's inauguration. CJ seems so obsessed with being seen as "above the fray" and "statesmanlike" regarding political discourse that it's pretty hard to distinguish him from an Obama supporter.
I mean, I get that during Bush's term, CJ did speak up against the Bush-Derangement-Syndrome idiots with their crazed leftwing theories, etc... and I understand the point that opponents of Obama shouldn't "stoop to the level" of the BDS type of tactics. But come on, there is such a thing as trying so hard to be non-confrontational and "polite" that you become a defacto sellout to the beliefs you previously espoused. The Obama-bow to the Saudis was the most recent example - CJ showed his narrow-mindedness and refusal to listen to differing opinions quite clearly. Oh, but just for show CJ is now "sickened" by Obama shaking hands with Chavez. Yeah right, whatever, Charles.
The obsession with Creationism/ID is ridiculous, I mean what happened to the concern over creeping Sharia - is ID or Creationism in schools really THAT big of a deal in comparison. To me, CJ's Creationism posts quickly devlolved into sort of anti-religion, anti-Christian vitriol. I'm at a loss to recall the last Isamism or national defense related post at LGF... guess I won't be in a big hurry to check back either, goodbye LGF

Posted by: Attila at April 18, 2009 05:29 PM (272MK)

422 #420
So we agree.
You agree that every blogger has a right to run his site the way he sees fit.
I agree with you that a guy who can take a punch deserves respect.
I am probably everything, almost, that Charles can't stand. Though I wouldn't describe myself as a "creationist" (depending on the definition, because I do believe I am part of God's creation), I am a Christian, and I am more conservative than Charles. I think the tea parties are useful and a great idea. I think Obama bowed his ass off, and I don't think Bush bowed at all. And I have said so.
But I haven't been banned from LGF, I guess because I don't march up to him, make an ugly face, and flip him off with both my middle fingers.

Posted by: ThisSpaceForRent at April 18, 2009 05:32 PM (c6sY+)

423 Thread winner ! #120

Posted by: somejoe at April 18, 2009 05:41 PM (yP5sH)

424 #420So we agree.

Posted by: ThisSpaceForRent

If you are saying that Charles Johnson is deserving of as much respect as the Kos Kiddies... then yes, we agree. Otherwise, no.

Posted by: Travis at April 18, 2009 06:01 PM (UL7W6)

425 BTW, when LGF opens registration you normally see new signups at a rate
of about 100 per hour. Yesterday's signup only attracted 35 in 44
minutes.


Noticing also he's opening registration up a lot more lately. Must be so he can restock on Lizard's after his daily purges.

Posted by: Blazer at April 18, 2009 06:07 PM (+FzLa)

426 Okay, Travis. I don't really think you answered me honestly, but that's all right. I understand you're angry, and I understand why.

Posted by: ThisSpaceForRent at April 18, 2009 06:26 PM (c6sY+)

427 #423, you don't have to flip Charles off with both fingers to get banned. Just disagree with him.


Posted by: Angry White Dude at April 18, 2009 06:28 PM (6+fmF)

428 Okay, Travis. I don't really think you answered me
honestly, but that's all right. I understand you're angry, and I
understand why.



Posted by: ThisSpaceForRent

First it isn't anger, its contempt.

I doubt very much you have any idea why I hold him in contempt. I imagine you think I was banned from LGF. I have never been a member there, nor do I utilize it as an internet resource.

The only one being dishonest here is you. I do suspect though, that you are being dishonest with yourself as well as with us.

You want to pretend that little Chuckie is being picked on and 'can take a punch'. He clearly cannot! Ace can, CJ bans those who disagree with him, and you want to pretend that we should NOT believe the dozens and dozens of ex-lizards with similar stories from differing websites. They are all just Big Liers. No we should believe you that they have been 'flipping CJ off'.

I have seen the posts that Charles Johnson has banned people for, so try selling your bullshit somewhere else.

I have also been over at LGF and seen the sycophants and their groveling posts, trying to cautiously halfway make a point while still avoiding the ban stick. It's sickening!

He has banned people for posting on OTHER websites for Christ sakes. He has banned people for linking to websites he doesn't like.

I respect people based on their conduct not on who they are.

Charles Johnson acts like the leftist Kos Kiddies and he gets put in the same category as the Kos Kiddies.

Posted by: Travis at April 18, 2009 06:47 PM (UL7W6)

429 ThisSpaceForRent, posting on someones blog is a priveledge not a right. With that said, I've called out Ace quite a few times on here, sometimes quite gruffly in fact, and Ace still allows me to post here. I agree with Ace 75-80% of the time and when I don't, I make sure to let him know.

I believe Ace respect's that and would look down upon us for kissing his ass and values our input, whether it's on par with his viewpoint or not. He learn's from us, we learn from him, noones 100% on target all of the time. C.J. revel's in asskissing and demagoguery. In fact he run's his blog hypocritically like the very Nazi's he despises and see's around every corner and behind every bush.

C.J. is alway's right everyone else is alway's wrong. He's running his blog exactly the way the blog's are being run on the left. Dissenting viewpoint's outside of the herd mentality will not be tolerated and will lead to banishment.

This guy want's to be the authority and go to guy on all thing's conservative and is so much a sycophant, he's willing to tear down all of his alliances with fellow conservatives to build what he percieves to be the all inclusive utopia.

Problem is he's not a conservative. He's a shellshocked liberal.

Posted by: Blazer at April 18, 2009 07:26 PM (+FzLa)

430 ThisSpaceForRent

Just to follow up on something Blazer said.

We are having this conversation here at Ace Of Spades.

Similar conversation are taking place at Protein Wisdom, FreeRepublic, Gates Of Vienna, Jihad Watch, Stop The ACLU, etc. Lizard minions such as yourself come on and defend Charles Johnson when this happens, and are allowed to do so.

No such conversation could possibly take place on LGF and that says everything we need to know about the so-called truth you are trying to sell.

Posted by: Travis at April 18, 2009 07:36 PM (UL7W6)

431 I have VERY similar views to LGF. I find anti-evolution ideas maddening.

I used to enjoy that aspect of LGF. But Beck is right, and LGF Charles is being a dick. He's got a dick-streak to him, and that's a shame. We can get along, all of us who want limited government, but some folks think this is about winning every argument, even by defaming and blaming oddball things.

Beck didn't incite violence or riots, and people cheer strongly worded stuff at the drop of a hat. It's not a big fucking deal.

Posted by: Dark Halo at April 18, 2009 07:54 PM (8jYMc)

432 Charles IS WARD, what a douchnozzle, he has freaked out a while ago and Obama sealed the deal, I sure he is a real FAG, look at him, even WARD isbetter looking, black flag time folks, things are getting too serious

Posted by: bob hussein dole at April 18, 2009 08:24 PM (yl9yA)

433 432: evolution or anti-evolution: who gives a shit??

We've got Obama and the Commie-Czars running our country and we're worried about who thinks what about evolution?


Posted by: Armadillo at April 18, 2009 08:38 PM (iafWn)

434 The Friday night 'lizard' purges is like an Emperor working the crowd into a bloodlust as Chas thins the non-tipping herd. One can disagree with him, but it'll cost ya.
Rayra's right, Charles was and is a flaming Liberal. He was an opportunist after 9/11, and he's an opportunist now. He dreams of playing for BHO at the WH.

Posted by: JT at April 18, 2009 09:24 PM (BYwtK)

435 Chuck's virtual purges are relatively harmless b/c they're online. If he had an actual lizard army, he'd be another Jim Jones. He's one weirod, narcissistic, sick-f***!

Posted by: JT at April 18, 2009 09:31 PM (BYwtK)

436 #428
I know that's true. I acknowledged it earlier in the thread. No argument there. But sometimes I see people condescend to him or use abusive language, then complain later when they're banned. That's who I'm talking about.
No time to answer everyone who addressed me, but I'll be back in a little while. I know nobody cares, but I don't want to be rude.

Posted by: ThisSpaceForRent at April 18, 2009 09:32 PM (c6sY+)

437 #429
Quickly, Travis, you couldn't have gotten my intent or meaningmore wrong, and I'm not trying to "sell" anything at all. I'm just saying what I think, like everyone else is.

Posted by: ThisSpaceForRent at April 18, 2009 09:34 PM (c6sY+)

438
HEY - THIS FIGHT IS ALL GOOD!
I SUPPORT CHARLES AGAINST CREATIONIST SHIT BAGS!
(and yes, i'm writing the thrust of this post in capitals - or at least that first part to get your attention).
The little inthide thecret is that Charlesth and Sthinky Beaumont are a couple.
They are partners.
They have rethently moved to another location, but have not been apart or in male dithagreement since 2001.
SoI meanthoIdon't blame Charlesth for being pithed off at the Right.
If I were Charlesth I'd beREALLY PITHED OFF TOO!
The man wants to marry his long love. How can I blame him for turning on the Right when those shallow-brained heifers seek to restrict their union? Why else does a grown man still maintain a pony tail if not for the admiration of his rarest friend to tug upon it in the daytime.

Posted by: Winston's Cheek at April 18, 2009 09:49 PM (+WJgT)

439 Chuck's virtual purges are relatively harmless b/c they're online. If
he had an actual lizard army, he'd be another Jim Jones. He's one
weirod, narcissistic, sick-f***!


Plus Chaz has open registration just about every other day now. Sometimes every day. Used to be anyone who was anyone who wanted to be part of the in-crowd would sit all day long, starry eyed at their computer screen's and keep hitting the refresh button until that magic moment happened upon them, because you just never knew when you might open the right candy bar that contained the golden ticket and become a Lizard

Now open registration is just Herr Chaz trying to restock his shower's after sending his latest lot of lizard's to the oven's.

This from a guy who has a Nazi complex and see's them everywhere. He run's his sight now like it's a concentration camp.


Posted by: Blazer at April 18, 2009 10:03 PM (+FzLa)

440 Ah, another "two-minute hate" on Charles Johnson from the merry band of creationists. Where is the next one?

Posted by: bigbro at April 18, 2009 10:12 PM (/+l11)

441 Charles Johnson's rejection of groups like the Vlaams Belang (who are a white nationalist and until recently antisemitic party of neo-Nazi origin) was completely correct.

Pamela Geller of Atlas Shrugs, and Robert Spencer of Jihad Watch, have allied with the Vlaams Belang. Really ugly.


Posted by: o.u. at April 18, 2009 10:21 PM (pTVwf)

442 Johnson is my kinda guy. Those high heels, pantyhose, and lipstick. Even Andrew Sullivan has a pinup of him. I get this tingling sensation up my leg whenever I hear Johnson put down a Christian or a conservative. I get all hot and bothered when he attacks those opposed to Islam's religion of love. What a metrosexual!

Posted by: Anderson Cooper at April 18, 2009 10:21 PM (0Qynq)

443 Ah, another "two-minute hate" on Charles Johnson from the merry band of creationists. Where is the next one?



Posted by: bigbro

A lot of us here don't believe in God, like myself. We do believe in differing opinions, however and not being a knobgobbler. You should try it some day!

Posted by: Travis at April 18, 2009 10:22 PM (UL7W6)

444
Charles Johnson's rejection of groups like the Vlaams Belang (who are a
white nationalist and until recently antisemitic party of neo-Nazi
origin) was completely correct. Pamela Geller of Atlas Shrugs, and Robert Spencer of Jihad Watch, have allied with the Vlaams Belang. Really ugly.




Posted by: o.u.

Filip Dewinter...

"In
our view, Judasm and Islam are absolute not two of the same kind. On
the contrary, they are foes. One has to choose sides. Which side are
you on in the "war on terror"? The side of western democracy and
western civilization, with its Judeo-Christian roots, or the side of
radical Islam? The side of Great-Britain, America and Israel, or the
side of Iran, Sudan and the Taliban?"

Yeah, really ugly.

Posted by: Travis at April 18, 2009 10:25 PM (UL7W6)

445 Ace -- the unhinged comments on this thread ought to give you pause before you say you have no dog in this fight. When you include people who think the earth is 6000 years old on our "our side" -- when you include people who aren't alarmed by the hysterics of folks like Glenn Beck or Pamela Gellar -- you are marginalizing the cause for freedom.

Glenn Beck turns off way more people than he attracts to "our side" if by "our side" you mean advocating a strong national defense and free market capitalism and responsible democracy. If by "our side" you mean unhinged people who surf the web for pornography of the islamo-hate variety or think BHO is a not a US citizen or think Charles Johnson (and Allahpundit, for that matter) is a "douche-tard" because he has no patience for any such bullshit...then you can have it.

Posted by: flixis at April 18, 2009 10:33 PM (/+l11)

446 You are all a bunch of fucking pussies!
LGF has more hits in an hour than you do all day.
Fuck you!

Posted by: Kilgore Trout at April 18, 2009 10:38 PM (g/h9/)

447 Kilgore Trout- You are nobody over here. Fuck you.

Posted by: Kat at April 18, 2009 10:46 PM (b9txj)

448 Lizards- when you think everyone else is wrong and you are right, maybe you should look for sanity. Charles is having a meltdown.

Posted by: Kat at April 18, 2009 10:48 PM (b9txj)

449 Chucky Johnson may be a pompous ass but I hate his noddin'-head sycophants like Sharmuta.

Posted by: Bob at April 18, 2009 10:52 PM (SLEq7)

450 Chuck "I am the new improved Andrew Sullivan" Johnson is a pussy and a coward.

This post below got me banned at Little Green Footballs. I had the audacity ofquestioning ChuckyJ why an alleged Neo Nazi constitues the right wing:


Explain to me why this guy is "right wing." Let's assume he really is a Nazi (because it is possible the wife lied to cover up killing him for the money he inherited). Why is a Nazi right wing? Why not label everyone on the left extremists for the occasional Charlie Manson, or ELF arson attack, or some similar thing? I do not see a lot of conservatives embracing Nazis. Last time I checked, Pat Buchanan was in the wilderness (and he is not exactly a Nazi). I do see quite a few on the left tolerating former Weathermen though.
I never saw Tim McVeigh as right wing either. Sure he was libertarian, but in a completely nutburger way. He did not believe in God (so the Christianist connection does not work), he opposed the first Iraq war, his only real connection to the right wing was a obsession with gun rights, if anything McVeigh was more aligned with the murderers at Columbine than any real political movement. He was an anarchist, who wanted to be famous.

Posted by: Joe at April 18, 2009 10:54 PM (0Gde6)

451 Lizards- when you think everyone else is wrong and you are right, maybe you should look for sanity. Charles is having a meltdown.

Posted by: Kat

Waste of time Kat. Anyone over at the cult compound capable of independent thought has already bailed.

I am just wondering how long it will be before Charles Johnson distances himself from Israel.

Posted by: Travis at April 18, 2009 10:56 PM (UL7W6)

452 The sad part is I agree withChuckyJ on Rachel Corrie, Israel, Evolution, Islam, etc. I am just not willing to equate people afraid of vaccines and evolution with Islamofacists.

And did I mention he is a pussy and a coward.It should be Little Yellow Pusssies.

Posted by: Joe at April 18, 2009 10:58 PM (0Gde6)

453 To Travis, independent thought means open to consideration that the earth might actually be 6000 years old. You prove your ignorance by assuming Charles is going to bail on the cause that is Israel.

Posted by: flixis at April 18, 2009 11:00 PM (/+l11)

454 Can I haz a post ... ?

Just testing .........

Posted by: Bloggette at April 18, 2009 11:05 PM (oMA9U)

455 Joe, I saw your comment and Chucky was blood thirsty and vicious. He only wants noobs now to play with and ridicule. Your question was reasonable and should have deserved some respect.

Posted by: Kat at April 18, 2009 11:05 PM (b9txj)

456 Travis,


The Stephen Roth Institute for the Study of Antisemitism and Racism, at Tel Aviv University noted the Vlaams Belang's tactical electoral switch to supporting Jews and Israel (by reigning in their Holocaust denial claims and voicing support for Israel) :
Link 1
Link 2

Vlaams Belang's founders were Nazi sympathisers and collaborators. DeWinter has a long history of antisemitism - don't be fooled by his recent about-face. As recently as a few years ago he was still attending white nationalist conferences with attendees like David Duke, Stormfront members and the BNP leader and convicted antisemite Nick Griffin.

Many neo-Nazi groups around Europe have shifted their hateful focus from Jews to Muslims, correctly perceiving the latter's greater general unpopularity. In the UK, the BNP party has done the same, sensing the great electoral opportunity given the main parties' seeming reluctance to address the Islamist / immigration issue head-on.

There's a very good article on the BNP's switch to voicing support for Israel here .

Posted by: o.u. at April 18, 2009 11:08 PM (pTVwf)

457 You prove your ignorance by assuming Charles is going to bail on the cause that is Israel.


Posted by: flixis

My guess is that it will happen within twelve months. Possibly sooner depending on what Obama does. He will be 'outraged', 'saddened' and 'unable to go along' with some thing or other.

Yes, as an agnostic I am willing to consider that the Earth is only 6,000 years old. I just don't see any evidence that it is and a lot of evidence that it is not.

A priori assumptions may seem like the height of wisdom to you, but history shows that a reasoned weighing of the evidence is the best way to go.

Posted by: Travis at April 18, 2009 11:12 PM (UL7W6)

458 I believe the Earth is +4 billions years old with angelic nations to back it up via the Bible.

Sometimes it's really fucking difficult have to relate to moron nation. Just sometimes.

If it weren't for Ace.......Ace makes everything okay though. God bless Ace.

Posted by: Corona at April 18, 2009 11:25 PM (hyUeL)

459 Johnson was a total ass with his claim taht "Bush bowed too" to the Saudis.

Posted by: Scipio at April 18, 2009 11:27 PM (bePn5)

460 That's not Killgore. Killgore, presumably, would spell his own screen name correctly. He would also have said something shitty aboutthe tea parties.
Travis, you seem like an emotional guy. Let me correct the assumption you made earlier.
When I talked about respecting someone who was able to take a punch I was referring to Ace.
You seem to think I'm here to attack, and I'm not. I understand why very conservative people get frustrated with CJ. I was just hoping to get you guys to understand that being critical of his musicianship only makes people look stupid, since he has more than earned his props there.
So far I've argued that:
1. He's a great guitar player.
2. He sometimes bans people who approach him honestly and respectfully, and I wish he wouldn't do that, but it's his blog.
3. And some of the people who get the hook come at him with sneering derision. He should tolerate that?
Do you really want to talk to me like I'm some kind of troll? Why? Which of the things I've said do you honestly take issue with? And please, don't put words in my mouth again.

Posted by: ThisSpaceForRent at April 18, 2009 11:35 PM (c6sY+)

461 When you include people who think the earth is 6000
years old on our "our side" -- when you include people who aren't
alarmed by the hysterics of folks like Glenn Beck or Pamela Gellar --
you are marginalizing the cause for freedom.
Posted by: flixis at April 18, 2009 10:33 PM (/+l11)

So, it's only the young Earth Theory that's a problem? Creationism and ID of an OLD earth is no problem? "People who aren't alarmed"? Is that a criteria now for reading and commenting? Need we be constantly alarmed now?

Posted by: Rocks at April 18, 2009 11:39 PM (3RHzM)

462 Hi troll!

Posted by: Corona at April 18, 2009 11:40 PM (hyUeL)

463 #430
Blazer, thanks for the reply. The nazi reference seemed a tad hyperbolic, but I do appreciate your stating your opnion without treating me like an enemy.

Posted by: ThisSpaceForRent at April 18, 2009 11:40 PM (c6sY+)

464 Could someone answer a question for me? Is CJ a guitarist or a bassist?

Posted by: Rocks at April 18, 2009 11:43 PM (3RHzM)

465 450
Chucky Johnson may be a pompous ass but I hate his noddin'-head sycophants like Sharmuta.

Sharmuta is a serial cyber stalker.

Posted by: Scipio at April 18, 2009 11:45 PM (bePn5)

466 As a follow up to my post - she stalked my friend who was a regular LGF poster.

Posted by: Scipio at April 18, 2009 11:46 PM (bePn5)

467 Whoa now folks, these personal attacks on Charles are counterproductive. You can argue your point of view like an adult or you can call names like a child. It does not make Charles look bad if YOU choose the latter.
I'll admit it; I visit LGF a few times a day. The links section is great and updates constantly. So far it's the only site of its type that I've found.
But lest you think I'm a sycophant I disagree with his obsession re: "Creationism" (I try to be a half way descent Christian but I also have no problem with evolutionary theory. How God created us is a curiosity but of no real importance to me). It is a little obsessive and in a way a bit creepy too. Personally, though I view creationists as wrongheaded and in a lot of ways willfully ignorant, at the same time I don't see the harm they are doing to anyone but themselves. With everything else going on in the world as an "issue" it's way down on the bottom of my list.
I've also directly disagreed with him in regards to wishing BO to fail. I do and I have no problem saying it. I have no use for socialism and believe he should never gotten within a hundred miles of the White House. But there you are. The only thing left to do is what little you can make sure he fails in his attempts to Europeanize the United States. To say you don't want him to succeed but then turn around and say you don't think anyone should actually SAY that out loud seems to me to be a bit disingenuous.
Still, for now this is still the US and he can say and think what he pleases. Hell, it's his site for cripes sakes!
Oh, and I've also had my account block, TWICE now! I've no idea why other than he thinks I'm someone else who's done something naughty or he really doesn't tolerate dissention. I don't know which is true but in any case (though I really would be interested in finding out why I've been blocked again) LGF is his to do with what he pleases.
I guess the point I'd want y'all to carry away from this long winded ( and largely pointless) diatribe is this: Disagreement is fine but name calling does nothing but make the name caller look foolish.

FWIW

Mark

Posted by: Mark Rethoret at April 18, 2009 11:50 PM (dfuAB)

468 Posted by: o.u.



From your link...



here



I don't know if Israel's army is the "most moral" in the world. I'm not
sure if I even know what that means. I don't know what we really expect
when we train young men and women to kill, give them the most
sophisticated killing instruments on earth, then demonize their enemies
before sending them off to battle.







Israels current responses to accusations of war crimes in Gaza are
convincing no one outside of those who dismissed the allegations out of
hand in the first place. This is to be expected when the investigations
are conducted, in essence, by the accused and the results exonerate
Israel completely.







Jamilah translates. Yes, he is sad, she says.

Why is he sad?

She asks him. Hes sad because 120 people were killed in Gaza today. By the Jews.



This is the source I should take seriously? They were also demanding an 'independent' investigation into the so-called 'Jenin massacre'.



In addition the guy that article is quoting and relying on is an admirer of Oswald Mosley. Robert Edwards IS a fascist.



Lastly they are talking about the BNP not VB.

Posted by: Travis at April 18, 2009 11:51 PM (UL7W6)

469 94
I lost it for pam when she started doing the bikini vlog thing.I clicked it cuz she don't have a bad body, but she talked the same way she blogs.She's fucking crazy.

Her heart is in the right place although she can be a bit over the top.

Posted by: Scipio at April 18, 2009 11:55 PM (bePn5)

470 I would say that LGF has jumped the shark when a ton of prominent lefty blogs like the DailyKOS are using what Johnson said negative about other conservatives out there. You should see all of the stupid "Exploding Heads" posts on LGF now. The guy thinks the world evolves around him.

Posted by: zerodamage at April 18, 2009 11:56 PM (hX+W3)

471 @264


Hey, don't mention it. You Lizard's will have a most excellent home here. Believe it or not, not only will you guy's get to actually formulate an opinion, but you'll also get to swim in the pool and have as many drink's from the bar as you like. Free of charge of course.

Parking Chaz's mercedes 770 and grooming his stache , must be tiring.

Posted by: Blazer at April 18, 2009 11:58 PM (+FzLa)

472 "Remember that YouTube vid that circulated with the guy daring his buddy to go up to the cop and flip him off, and how they were shocked when the cop started beating on him with a stick? That's what some people remind me of.""But I haven't been banned from LGF, I guess because I don't march up to him, make an ugly face, and flip him off with both my middle fingers."

The implication of either of these statements are that those who were banned, were banned for a good reason. That is clearly not the case.

If all you are saying is that some people have been banned from LGF with good reason, then I must say that isn't exactly earth shattering news.

What exactly are you trying to get at?

Posted by: Travis at April 18, 2009 11:58 PM (UL7W6)

473 469
The British are just fucking nuts whenever the subject of Israel comes up. No alleged Israeli atrocity, no matter how absurd it is, is too ridiculous for them to give serious credence to. I really believe that the Brits would be quite content if the State of Israel was destroyed and the Isreali Jewish population would be massacred to the last man, woman and child. I think that the British have never gotten over the fact that the Jews (the team at the bottom of the league) drove them out of Palestine in 1948 and then had the chutzpah to win.

Posted by: Scipio at April 19, 2009 12:00 AM (bePn5)

474 @468


That's just great. Along with Astroturfing, now we have Chaz'troturfing.

We have definitley come full circle.

Posted by: Blazer at April 19, 2009 12:02 AM (+FzLa)

475 Heh. That's right, lizards, all the folks ripping on Charles are doing so because they don't believe in evolution. They're CREATIONISTS, like those CREATIONISTS running the Tea Parties and spreading the video of Obama genuflecting to his Saudi lord and daring to point out that the Nazis were leftists. CREATIONISTS, all of them. And us.

Keep telling yourself that. Getting a bit rank inside that compound, huh?

Posted by: someone at April 19, 2009 12:06 AM (7KUMK)

476 The British are just fucking nuts whenever the
subject of Israel comes up. No alleged Israeli atrocity, no matter how
absurd it is, is too ridiculous for them to give serious credence to. I
really believe that the Brits would be quite content if the State of
Israel was destroyed and the Isreali Jewish population would be
massacred to the last man, woman and child. I think that the British
have never gotten over the fact that the Jews (the team at the bottom
of the league) drove them out of Palestine in 1948 and then had the
chutzpah to win.


Posted by: Scipio

That's part of it, but it goes back even further to Lawrence of Arabia and the Balfour Declaration. I have never really understood it myself.

I think a lot of liberal Jews are actually on board with the idea of the state of Israel ceasing to exist. I think they are embarrassed about the things that a nation does to survive. Rather than deal with that embarrassment, they just want it to go away.

Posted by: Travis at April 19, 2009 12:07 AM (UL7W6)

477 #465 He's a guitarist. Stanley Clarke, whose album School Days was one CJ played on, is a bassist.

Posted by: ThisSpaceForRent at April 19, 2009 12:08 AM (c6sY+)

478 CJ has a bunch of sycophantic enforcers to keep the "party line" orthodox - Kilgore Trout, Sharmuta (who actually is a moron who backs down whenever you tell her to shut the fuck up), MandyManners, RealWest, Madeura, and now a real cyber dick head bully named Walter L. Newman. So many of the good posters who used to be at LGF are long gone, banned or post sparingly - zulubaby, mommydoc, peacekeeper, V the K, LanceKates, WrathofG-d, Carolina Girl, No_Submission, Scott from East Bay, Bubble Girl, loppyd, American Infidel, Ringo the Gringo, etc.I expect Dianna and 'Nam Grunt to be banned soon. Very sad. I used to love the Idiotarian of the Year awards adn the 'Arafish Says' posts..

Posted by: Scipio at April 19, 2009 12:12 AM (bePn5)

479 Travis:
If all you are saying is that some people have been banned from LGF with good reason, then I must say that isn't exactly earth shattering news. What exactly are you trying to get at?
Now we're getting somewhere. Since I said "some", it's good to see that you're finally considering that I meant "some".
And when did I claim anything Ihad to saywas "earth shattering news"? I've stated my points clearly and plainly. You still don't understand them?
I'm pretty direct, Travis. Don't put everything I say through a sieve.

Posted by: ThisSpaceForRent at April 19, 2009 12:14 AM (c6sY+)

480 477 I
think a lot of liberal Jews are actually on board with the idea of the
state of Israel ceasing to exist. I think they are embarrassed about
the things that a nation does to survive. Rather than deal with that
embarrassment, they just want it to go away.

Alas, I think you are certainly correct, at least with The New York Times crowd and the WWII generation that is slowly dying away (with their Obama like devotion to the memory of Franklin Roosevelt) and their children who have massive cognitive dissonance with their loyalty towards libearlism, Socialism (just read The Jewish Daily Forward on any given week) , and the Democratic party and said liberalism and Democratic party's indifference or down right hostilty towards Israel - witrness that scum bucket Roger Cohen of the NY TImes and his shilling for the fascist, theocratic, reactionary mullahs of Iran. It would make liberal Jews lives a lot easier if Israel wer not there any more.


Posted by: Scipio at April 19, 2009 12:18 AM (bePn5)

481 I've stated my points clearly and plainly. You still don't understand them?

ThisSpaceForRent

Stop with the passive-aggressive shit OK?

What point?

If you don't actually have a point to make, then why are you making it?

Posted by: Travis at April 19, 2009 12:20 AM (UL7W6)

482 446
Ace -- the unhinged comments on this thread ought to give you pause
before you say you have no dog in this fight. When you include people
who think the earth is 6000 years old on our "our side" -- when you
include people who aren't alarmed by the hysterics of folks like Glenn
Beck or Pamela Gellar -- you are marginalizing the cause for freedom.
What a crock. I've read most of the comments on this thread... none that said they were kicked out for being creationist. I'm not, but I was kicked off. I did not insult CJ or anyone on that board, nor was given a warning.

Flixis: Everybody left at LGF, you included, see evil Christianists behind every rock and tree. Sad.

In what way is CJ for "the cause of freedom"? He's a huge supporter of Obama's watermelon agenda. Green on the outside, red on the inside. CJ's against Islam taking over. That seems to be the only point of agreement with conservatism.

LGF is turning into another Daily Kos except without the sense of humor or proportion. That's why all the bannings and the new membership drive. CJ and Andrew Sullivan can both claim to be the true conservatives while badmouthing every conservative there is. What a club.

Posted by: thecork at April 19, 2009 12:22 AM (za8iP)

483 It would make liberal Jews lives a lot easier if Israel wer not there any more.




Posted by: Scipio

I think it was the American Thinker that made the point that a great deal of American Jews are not really religious in any real sense. Rather they embrace secular values or utilize liberal Judaic theology to justify their secular beliefs. They were discussing why 78% of American Jews voted for Obama.

Posted by: Travis at April 19, 2009 12:24 AM (UL7W6)

484 "V the K"

He's around here somewhere.

I remember the olden days of LGF... Met RealWest, too. It used to be the most interesting, knowledgeable comment section around, but the best (who, incidentally, were often quite seriously religious) long ago left for their own blogs or greener comment sections elsewhere. For the last few years I've only read the posts because comment threads had lost their vitality and random sparks of brilliance and were just depressing. Exactly what I said would happen by going to a closed registration system.

Posted by: someone at April 19, 2009 12:24 AM (7KUMK)

485 Okay, Travis. I tried.
I came here, stated a few facts about jazz and CJ's musical career, and you engaged me in a debate. I answered you in good faith, and it appears you're just determined to be an asshole about it.
You clearly have issues (you're deliberately argumentative when you needn't be; you do it for attention, I guess), so you'll have to work those out with someone who gives a shit what your problem is.
Here's a hint. It ain't me.

Posted by: ThisSpaceForRent at April 19, 2009 12:30 AM (c6sY+)

486 Another asshole enforcer at LGF is Cato the Elder. Funny how they are accusing AoSHQ of being populated by mean, angry people. What a bunch of suck-ups they are.

Posted by: Scipio at April 19, 2009 12:30 AM (bePn5)

487 Charles chose my name for me.

Posted by: Sharmuta at April 19, 2009 12:36 AM (7FgWm)

488 485
Have you noticed that all the threads there are about Creationism, Right Wing extremists, and people who have attacked or jst criticized Charles Johnson? He used to have great coverage about the War on Terror and every Friday would have a Victor Davis Hanson or Charles Krauthammer column. Look it is his blog and he can change direction any way he wants but I seriously think he is having an identity crisis and is going David Frum/Kathleen Parker on us. I noticed that Chirstopher Hitchens endorsed Obama after spending 7 years in the wilderness supporting counter attacks on Islamic fanatics. I guess people return to what's familiar (as a therapist once told me).

Posted by: Scipio at April 19, 2009 12:36 AM (bePn5)

489 488
Charles chose my name for me.
Have you blown him yet?

Posted by: Scipio at April 19, 2009 12:37 AM (bePn5)

490 Charles chose my name for me.

Posted by: Sharmuta at April 19, 2009 12:36 AM (7FgWm)

That was funny.

Posted by: Rocks at April 19, 2009 12:37 AM (3RHzM)

491 484

I
think it was the American Thinker that made the point that a great deal
of American Jews are not really religious in any real sense. Rather
they embrace secular values or utilize liberal Judaic theology to
justify their secular beliefs. They were discussing why 78% of American
Jews voted for Obama.

For a smart people, American Jews (I am1/2 Jewish) can be awfully dumb. They refuse to recognize a real existential threat and tend to fixate on non threats i.e. fundamentalist Christians.

Posted by: Scipio at April 19, 2009 12:40 AM (bePn5)

492 Well, rage at a musical genre if you must. If you truly don't get it, that's cool.I thought someone might actually want to know that, but I realize that's kind of a long shot.Hate on, Dude. Don't let me slow you down. LOLOkay, Travis. I don't really think you answered me honestly, but that's all right. I understand you're angry, and I understand why.Do you really want to talk to me like I'm some kind of troll? Why?

Posted by: ThisSpaceForRent

I am treating you like a troll because you are one. A lizard troll, but a troll. You play the put upon, passive-aggressive role, and expect me to pretend you are just an honest broker. You didn't come here for a discussion of jazz music.

There is nothing honest about anything you have said here. You are just more intelligent than the other lizards. Intelligent enough to know that the direct approach won't cut it, so you go for the soft sell.

Go back to the compound.

Posted by: Travis at April 19, 2009 12:45 AM (UL7W6)

493 490
Blown him? He don't roll that way.

Posted by: Sharmuta at April 19, 2009 12:48 AM (7FgWm)

494 For a smart people, American Jews (I am1/2 Jewish)
can be awfully dumb. They refuse to recognize a real existential
threat and tend to fixate on non threats i.e. fundamentalist
Christians.



Posted by: Scipio

Well Jews tend to be more intelligent than your average person and more intelligent people are able make arguments, and reach conclusions others do not. They have the same emotional base and their intelligence can thus be more easily used to justify their emotional reactions. You are correct that they do seem to have a huge blind spot with regards to Christians and Muslims.

Posted by: Travis at April 19, 2009 12:49 AM (UL7W6)

495 495
What good is excellence in Chemistry and Biology when you refuse to recognize the enemy who has stated his intentions of killing you, as your enemy?

Posted by: Scipio at April 19, 2009 12:52 AM (bePn5)

496 494



Blown him? He don't roll that way.


Glad to hear that. By the way do you even have a job? You seem to be on LGF at all hours of the day and night - on every thread? It may not be good to be a boot licker but it must be awful for Johnson to have his boots licked too. He is far too intelligent for that and probably holds all his ass kissers (rightfully) in contempt. I have not posted there since January but occasionally I go "slumming " on that site for my updates on the threats of Creationism.

Posted by: Scipio at April 19, 2009 12:56 AM (bePn5)

497 Charles rocks.

Posted by: Ihave Gout at April 19, 2009 12:56 AM (7FgWm)

498 What good is excellence in Chemistry and Biology
when you refuse to recognize the enemy who has stated his intentions of
killing you, as your enemy?


Posted by: Scipio

None whatsoever. I once read a small article by a Jewish man who when asked why so many Jews didn't leave Germany when Hitler was tightening his grip on power. His answer was that so families had piano's. He said that they didn't wish to leave their goods behind, and they convinced themselves that the worst couldn't happen, and the madman couldn't mean what he said.

The same thing has happened when the Communists take over. So many stay, believing in phantom's when they should be running for their lives.

Posted by: Travis at April 19, 2009 12:59 AM (UL7W6)

499 Charles Johnson is about one step from being taken away by the nice young men in their clean white coats. The guy has clearly lost it. He'sslowly but surely goingga-ga. Coo-coo for cocoa puffs. And he's attracting and surrounding himself with the same.
Years ago when I was a regular at LGF, I had a deep abiding respect for the man and his blog. But over the years, I have watched him slowly lose his grip on reality. He's lost all respect for civil discourse. So has his 'lizard army'. If you don't agree with him, rate down his thread, you're banned. If you don't agree with the other commentors in the thread, you'll be mangled, mutilated, and simply destroyedby a horde of starving locusts. Or should I say starving 'lizards'? Rate their comments down, banned. The hate and vitriol at LGF is rampant and clearly the preferred dialect.
I guess Charles being the hardcore narcissist that he is, is enjoying all the attention he's getting. Maybe it even makes him feel somewhat relevant, or something, somehow. ButLGF is dead to me. So, after these few words, I have nothing left to care one iota about at LGF.

Posted by: Thomas at April 19, 2009 01:23 AM (EbvFk)

500 447
You are all a bunch of fucking pussies!LGF has more hits in an hour than you do all day.Fuck you! --Kilgore Trout.

Hey Kilgore.
Charles is getting hits now for the sole purpose of people stopping by to watch the daily train wrecks.

Now, go back to LGF, and tell Charles we are enjoying freedom of speech over here, that will drive him crazy - just watch!

Posted by: Boeing at April 19, 2009 01:27 AM (YaBmG)

501 One really awesome feature of the LGF engine is that if you get the ban-stick all of your comments go 'poof' - Down the Memory Hole for YOU, Infidel.

Don't know if he was ever really considered top-shelf conservative, but AJ Strata is imploding re: DHS memo.

Posted by: Druid at April 19, 2009 01:30 AM (nFeDb)

502 LGF has become the internet version of The Gong Show.

Posted by: Boeing at April 19, 2009 01:36 AM (YaBmG)

503 Don't know if he was ever really considered top-shelf conservative, but AJ Strata is imploding re: DHS memo.



Posted by: Druid

I think we are going to see a lot more of that from centrist conservatives. They will choose their issues, but I think they want to be on the side that's winning.

Posted by: Travis at April 19, 2009 01:37 AM (UL7W6)

504 468 Whoa now folks, these personal attacks on Charles are counterproductive.
Oh, and I've also had my account block, TWICE now! I've no idea why
other than he thinks I'm someone else who's done something naughty or
he really doesn't tolerate dissention.
Posted by: Mark Rethoret at April 18, 2009 11:50 PM (dfuAB)

You've been blocked twice for no discernible reason and you still go crawling back to him and you're even here defending him? How masochistic are you? You sound smarter than that.. Stick around. Have some Val-U-Rite. You really should use a mixer; it's foul straight.

Mark it's always extremely productive to personally attack tyrannical, humorless, socialist, hysterical, pussies. Try it, you'll see what I mean.





Posted by: thecork at April 19, 2009 01:47 AM (za8iP)

505 422 The obsession with Creationism/ID is ridiculous, I mean what happened
to the concern over creeping Sharia - is ID or Creationism in schools
really THAT big of a deal in comparison.

The reason this issue needs addressing is not just because of its intrinsic importance, but because it is a piece of why conservatives are out of power and unable to solve other problems. In the Reagan years, Republicans were the party of the college educated, but with advances in science and only the Democrats acknowledging the massively overwhelming likelihood of evolution, this is no longer the case.

I know in the conservative echo chamber, many/most people are creationist and have no problem voting for non creationists. But many/most independents and Democrats are not, and, fairly or not, use creationism as a litmus test for lack of intelligence and credulity. My mother voted for Joe Lieberman in the Democratic primaries, and was grudgingly planning to vote for McCain exclusively for national security reasons (as she favors the Democrats on domestic policy)...until he picked Palin. There are many like her.

It is ironic you cited "creeping sharia" as your counter example of what is being neglected by focusing on Creationism/ID. Your argument would have been stronger had you used jihad or terrorism, not just because those are bigger issues, but because the reasoning used to justify creationism can be used to prop up sharia. The more the West accepts Creationism/ID it compromises on its exclusion of religion from public government and law, loses its confidence in truth through evidence, and validates subjective truth as its world view, it opens the door for sharia.

Posted by: Brian at April 19, 2009 05:15 AM (ENhzh)

506 Travis: "From your link..."
[ you cut and paste some quotations ]
"This is the source I should take seriously? They were also demanding an
'independent' investigation into the so-called 'Jenin massacre'."

I linked to an article by Edmund Standing on Jewcy.com .

The quotes you excerted do not come from that article, but appear to be picked from various other authors from that site. There are liberal left-leaning authors (unlike Edmund Standing) on Jewcy.com too, it is a varied site.

So you are lying when you say it is from that link - it's dishonest to misattribute someone's words.

Travis: "Lastly they are talking about the BNP not VB."

That's why I said it was a "very good article on the BNP's switch to voicing support for Israel".

Your retarded, dishonest postings don't alter the fact that the Vlaams Belang has a long neo-Nazi and antisemitic past, and that its leader deWinter is a racist and anti-semite who attends neo-Nazi white nationalist conferences.

Posted by: o.u. at April 19, 2009 07:56 AM (pTVwf)

507 Charles Johnson is too paranoid-silly to be the slightest bit relevant anymore.

What I do find disappointing is the number of posters over there who cannot stand on principle, and consent to having their opinions formed by him depending on his paranoia-of-the-day.

I swear, if Charles said 'the biggest threat to the conservative movement is Size 10 Shoes", half the folks over there would start running around measuring the feet of their neighbors and friends. Then they would try to find out what size shoe FOX commentators or other blog-writers wear. Then they'd start saying things like "I saw somebody wearing Size 10 shoes and they were at a TEA PARTY!" which of course means if you attend a tea party, you are a Size Ten Co-conspirator.

And of course, if Charles asks you point-blank "What size shoe do you wear?" and you refuse to answer, you will be banned.

It's that silly over there.


Posted by: mama winger at April 19, 2009 08:27 AM (05c3T)

508 {mama winger}!

I am SO HAPPY to see you here!

Posted by: goddessoftheclassroom at April 19, 2009 08:28 AM (3KCVn)

509 GODDESS!!!!!!

I have lost your email! Do you still have mine ?

Oh what the heck - here it is

mamawinger at dellmail dot com

Please write me if you can!

Posted by: mama winger at April 19, 2009 08:32 AM (05c3T)

510 I read and post at LGF daily. I keep a prayer list that Charles has NEVER belittled or criticized and which he allows me to post. When I don't agree with a thread, I don't go there. I do enjoy the camaraderie of many of the posters. I sincerely miss many of my old friends who can no longer post there, and I wish Charles would consider reinstating their accounts, but I'm not sure they'd come back after all that's happened.

I also read Ace every day and post occasionally. I don't want to have to choose among the blogs I read because the hosts disagree with each other. Just because I read a thread doesn't mean I agree with the comments.

Posted by: goddessoftheclassroom at April 19, 2009 08:36 AM (3KCVn)

511 goddess and mama! holy cow!

Posted by: phoenixgirl at April 19, 2009 08:42 AM (XUmfN)

512 {phoenixgirl}

I guess we're morons...

Posted by: goddessoftheclassroom at April 19, 2009 08:44 AM (3KCVn)

513 Phoenixgirl! ! !

How nice to see you, darlin!

Posted by: mama winger at April 19, 2009 08:44 AM (05c3T)

514 Screw the "lizard king."
Video- The Fall of Charles Johnsons Little Green Footballshttp://www.thoughtsongod.com/?p=3922

Posted by: madcap at April 19, 2009 08:47 AM (HPZ4u)

515 mama winger and goddessof the classroom welcome! I stopped posting at LGF a couple of months ago ( I use a different moniker there) so in a sence I self banned myslef. Anwyay good to see you both.

Posted by: Scipio at April 19, 2009 08:59 AM (bePn5)

516 Scipio--by chance are you in Georgia?

Posted by: goddessoftheclassroom at April 19, 2009 09:00 AM (3KCVn)

517 And are you really really smart?

Posted by: mama winger at April 19, 2009 09:18 AM (05c3T)

518 mama winger--GMTA!

Posted by: goddessoftheclassroom at April 19, 2009 09:23 AM (3KCVn)

519 There is no fruit cup here. Only vodka.
Relax. You're safe now.

Posted by: Who knows at April 19, 2009 09:37 AM (7FgWm)

520 Fuck you! Fuck you!
That was just to make you feel at home.

Posted by: mandy manners at April 19, 2009 09:48 AM (7FgWm)

521 Ace, my man. Can't you see the economic possibilities here? With the exodus of lizards and their potential need for a new home, you should start selling tickets. Something along the lines of "say whatever you want but it's going to cost ya!" might work.

I mean, how right wing can you get? Free speech and profits? Are you kidding me? You won't have to roll out of bed until 1400 hrs at the earliest.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at April 19, 2009 09:50 AM (swuwV)

522 No fucking LGF abbreviations allowed here either.

Posted by: mandy manners at April 19, 2009 09:55 AM (7FgWm)

523 I posted on LGF - "I want to believe in evolution, so show me a primate with a soul and reasoning powers, and I will believe".
Needless to say I was banned.
Sad really, that CJ has become the fascist he so despises.
Surrounding yourself with 'yes men' gets you nowhere - Charles.
Why are you intolerant of others that disagree with you?
What is wrong with civil discourse?
What are you afraid of?

Posted by: Mikey at April 19, 2009 09:56 AM (qx+q9)

524 mama winger

Good to hear from you again.

Posted by: RayJ at April 19, 2009 09:59 AM (o2Td/)

525 Well, I removed LGF links from my blog Friday. I'm sure the two hits a week he gets from me will keep him up at night. However, as far as the bannings go, I disagreed with him in the comments over the DHS report - and I didn't get banned. Well, I think I didn't get banned because I haven't been back.

The problem I have at LGF is those stupid lizards. While I was discussing the subject with Charles, there was some nimrod telling me that the VA wasn't part of the Executive Branch and hinted that I needed to order Hooked On Phonic, Another was equating veterans' reaction to the DHS report to CAIR and MAS.


Posted by: Jonn Lilyea at April 19, 2009 10:06 AM (am5/8)

526 After mama winger was banned from LGF, I logged out and have never logged back in. (I still read it regularly, but never comment) That was after Charles had already made and tried to defend the statement "creationists are just like the Taliban".

On a separate note, I read that Charles Johnson is OK with the "right wing extremist" DHS report in spite of the fact that it totally missed the creationist menace.

Posted by: zmdavid at April 19, 2009 10:07 AM (LnH3s)

527 You've been blocked twice for no discernible reason and you still go
crawling back to him and you're even here defending him? How
masochistic are you? You sound smarter than that.. Stick around.
Have some Val-U-Rite. You really should use a mixer; it's foul
straight.Mark it's always extremely productive to personally
attack tyrannical, humorless, socialist, hysterical, pussies. Try it,
you'll see what I mean.

Thecork,
I think you have missed my point, at least to some extent :-)
First, "defending him"? Nah. Crawling back? No. The first time my account was blocked I had no idea why. I sent several emails asking, genuinely curious. After about the fourth request my account was reinstated but with no explanation.
I went back to reading posts, occasionally posting comments, and rating links only to find a couple of days back that I'd been banned again.
I think now, based on some of the less "stained" comments here, I may know why. You see, I did rate some of Charles' posts down (like I said, I find the obsession with "Creationism" a waste of resources).
Second, I always rated "Christians are dumb" posts down (though, really, there weren't too many of them or I probably would have stopped visiting LGF long ago. It's one of the reasons I could never get too in to the whole Ayn Rand thing though I found Atlas Shrugged interesting, if you follow me).
ANYWAY, the point I was making, or trying to make is that calling someone you have disagreements with names as opposed to countering their positions only makes you look silly and more than a little childish.
(Yes, it can be productive but not in a positive way.)
C'mon guys, "I didn't want to be part of that do-do head's stinky blog anyway 'cause he's a commie and a homo" (the gist of several posts I've read here and elsewhere) sounds more than a little petulant.
Personally, I believe this sort of infighting is one thing that actually IS preventing classical liberalism (what most of us call "Conservatism" now) from regaining its foothold on American politics. We seem to have completely lost the ability to disagree without getting personal. (Yeah, there are many, many others but this is absolutely one we have total control of).
If Charles,or anyone else on our side, wants to tilt at windmills, let him. If they say something just plain wrong, refute them. Don't immediately launch into ad homenim attacks.
When we start calling names it make us look just as bad (or worse) as the Kos crowd. We can do without that, yes?

Posted by: Mark at April 19, 2009 10:20 AM (dfuAB)

528 So you got banned from choosing to down rate certain posts? That says a lot about CJ, and it is not good. Nothing like an atheist becoming a fundie while he criticizes supposedly fundie Christians.

Posted by: Mark at April 19, 2009 10:32 AM (yIWf7)

529 Wow... I came back to this thread to see what reaction there was to my story of being banned by Charles. I kinda wanted to be banned, but was banned for politely telling him he was wrong and that I was leaving. The rage and justifiable hatred of CJ here is like smoke from a fire. It's hard to deny the house is burning down. I never was a prolific poster at LGF, I would post stuff that was my own thinking, fairly deep IMHO, and wouldn't get a lot of response. To restate my disappointment with the way that CJ is going is that he's simply not concerned much anymore with creeping sharia, or the jihad movement. He feels that Creationists, Conservatives and small government Libertarians are more dangerous. He also can not be reflective and receptive to differing points of view. None of this is extraordinary, millions of fine folks have these failings, but few were in the position of trust that Charles was. His return to his leftists roots hurt a lot of conservatives, neocons, libertarians. and other free thinkers that grew to depend on him. His High handedness was the fecal frosting on the shitcake.

Posted by: billhedrick at April 19, 2009 10:39 AM (Ip60w)

530 PG - great post!!!


No doubt that CJ has lost it. If he wasn't so fookin pompous and arrogant I would feel concern for his well being. He in not a conservative, represents nothing to indicate that he is a Republican and is simply a farce. Clearly we see that he is a liberal that is scared of Muslims.

AS for his lemmings like mandy, sharmuta, walter and the like they are simply small minded asslickers and deserve no attention or concern.

Providing fodder for the koz kids will be the LGF legacy.

The lounge lives on!

Posted by: iam7545 at April 19, 2009 11:01 AM (4qKem)

531 528
If Charles,or anyone else on our side, wants to tilt at windmills, let him. If they say something just plain wrong, refute them. Don't immediately launch into ad homenim attacks.
When we start calling names it make us look just as bad (or worse) as the Kos crowd. We can do without that, yes?


Posted by: Mark at April 19, 2009 10:20 AM (dfuAB)
Mark, I don't see Charles as on our side, not anymore. He's been calling lots of conservatives names, and treating his own long-time conservative posters shabbily. I'm appreciative that he highlighted jihadist threats for so long, and helped bring down Dan Rather, but that all seems to be over. Now he's a full-time apologist for Obama.
I have come to really appreciate the humor and liberty at Ace's and have commented more frequently. It's sometimes a pain that trolls don't get banned, but this place is strangely self regulating.Mandy Manners, Goddess of the Classroom, other refugees/visitors: I've read your posts over the years at LGF. Welcome.

Posted by: thecork at April 19, 2009 11:06 AM (za8iP)

532 With the majority of comments here relying universally on explitives and invective to paintCharles as some kind of crypto-liberal, I can see just how imaginative, rational, original and balanced the readers of this site really are. Unlike those narrow-minded, stodgy, exclusionist lizards. I guess fundamentalism is onlyanathema when it's not yours. Now go pat yourselves on the back and swill down some Pabst Blue Ribbon.

Posted by: Cobdenite at April 19, 2009 11:50 AM (wE+Ck)

533 That's beenMandy by sock puppet. If she ever shows up here by her real name,.I'd be amazed.
Myself,I love it here because of the self regulating, non-totalitarian atmosphere and some of the funniest people in the world.
Things can get raunchy and that's part of the atmosphere as well.

Posted by: Who Knows at April 19, 2009 11:51 AM (7FgWm)

534 Free beer! Free beer, says Cobdenite.
I want Rolling Rock, though. Hurry.
I'm almost done with the Sunday paper.

Posted by: Who Knows at April 19, 2009 11:54 AM (7FgWm)

535 Cobdenite: Pabst is too wimpy. Val-U-Rite Vodka's the drink of choice here. And fuck you very much.

Posted by: thecork at April 19, 2009 12:28 PM (za8iP)

536 I tell you, I used to enjoy reading LGF comments, when Momma winger with her wit, and so many others were on line. The ones that are gone now took a stand, but did it politely, were banned. I remember having a dialog with Charles where I mentioned the "Triune spirit" and he made such a foolish remark, He said "look lizards we have a person that believes in". It was a comment that can show ones inner soul. He goes out of his way to PICK fights with those who should or are on our side. The end for me was his attack on the moral majority with bulls-it comments. You may not agree with the concepts of Christians, but out right hatred is no worse than Islam. He fights on both flanks with gibberish, and tolerates no one that doesn't blindly kiss his ring.

Posted by: jainphx at April 19, 2009 12:35 PM (7pvWO)

537 Hah! BTW, how does one reply to a specific post here? I'm at a loss.
Thanks!

Mark

Posted by: Mark at April 19, 2009 12:38 PM (dfuAB)

538 Mark(53, just like I have here.

Posted by: goddessoftheclassroom at April 19, 2009 12:41 PM (3KCVn)

539 Oops. it turned my 8 and 0 into a smiley.

Posted by: goddessoftheclassroom at April 19, 2009 12:43 PM (3KCVn)

540 "Free beer! Free beer, says Cobdenite.
I want Rolling Rock, though. Hurry."
And a sammich. Get me a sammich.

Posted by: someone at April 19, 2009 12:43 PM (7KUMK)

541 "With the majority of comments here relying universally on explitives and invective to paintCharles..."

Cobdenite: Charles paints himself with explitives [sic]. Many times when people dare to disagree with him – particularly if their arguments are strong – he responds not with reasoning but with profanity-laced put downs. Try treating him that way and see how far it gets you.

Sure the guy is intelligent, but his grasp of logic is fundamentally weak. Whenever he doesn't want to be bothered with formulating rational responses, or if he realizes that his dissenters have made good points, he often heads straight for ad hominem or straw man. Many of his posts are purely based upon guilt by association, which is another common logical fallacy, and he depends upon his lizard army for bandwagoning – more logical fallacy – when he's clearly in the wrong. (Obama bow, etc.)

He also has a serious narcissistic streak regarding his intelligence. When is the last time you saw him admit to a dissenter that he might be mistaken about anything?

Posted by: lostnearpittsburgh at April 19, 2009 12:47 PM (oUHTV)

542 Posted by: iam7545 at April 19, 2009 11:01 AM (4qKem)
I never went in the lounge, but I read he closed it because people were trashing him there. Why didn't he just ban them? He bans people for less. I think he was punishing his loyal comment base because they weren't defending him in there. He wants them to be a pack of jackals.

Posted by: zmdavid at April 19, 2009 12:53 PM (LnH3s)

543 517
Scipio--by chance are you in Georgia?


Posted by: goddessoftheclassroom at April 19, 2009 09:00 AM

No I am in Florida (Bradenton).

Posted by: Scipio at April 19, 2009 12:57 PM (DaNDN)

544 @541
Make that damn sandwich a litle faster, Cobdenite, or whatever the fuck your name is.
My beers warm now, too, and i want a foot rub, with lotion.
Hurry!

Posted by: Who Knows at April 19, 2009 01:02 PM (7FgWm)

545 Just discovered in that Media Matters thread I linked last night --
look who shows up: Richard L. Kent, Esq., the angriest creationist in
the world.Posted by Charles in a Thread about an Obama speech.

Stuff like that is what makes LGF unreadable. He posts something in the original thread but people have long since stop reading it so he has to interject it in whatever everyone is talking about now. The guy is his own troll shitting all over his threads.

Posted by: Rocks at April 19, 2009 01:12 PM (3RHzM)

546 Wow, lots of ex lgf posters here now enjoying freedom of speech.

Welcome Goddess and MamaWinger.

I wonder when Charles will ban Little Old Lady over there, if he hasn't already.

Fruitcup is the food of evil creationists! and Nazi's! I must ban fruitcup! Sharmuta, find all the fruitcup and help me ban it!

Posted by: Boeing at April 19, 2009 01:19 PM (YaBmG)

547 It is a dangerous way to live : a permanent state of paranoia and fear of so many different groups and people. I almost feel bad for him.

Posted by: Who Knows at April 19, 2009 01:22 PM (7FgWm)

548 508 And of course, if Charles asks you point-blank "What size shoe do you wear?" and you refuse to answer, you will be banned.

It's that silly over there.
Posted by: mama winger at April 19, 2009 08:27 AM (05c3T)
Well stated, Mama. That's the best analogy I've heard of what's going on there.
(replying to someone else) Mark, I just cut and paste to reply.

Posted by: thecork at April 19, 2009 01:40 PM (za8iP)

549 Trying to think of any LGFers that I would hope to see show up, from back when I used to sporadically read it.
I recognize Mama Winger's name....welcome. You work in a veterinary office, right?
I think I recall someone named Experienced Traveler who was funny and nice. Hope he/she shows up.

Posted by: Who Knows at April 19, 2009 01:41 PM (7FgWm)

550 Charles Johnson = David Frum = Andrew Sullivan = David Brock.

These traitors are all the same. They deserve nothing but our contempt.

Posted by: Reggie at April 19, 2009 02:02 PM (Zi1uy)

551 Mama Winger banned!? I thought that only happened to peons like me.

LOL!! Charles really has gone off the deep end with his paranoia and pettiness. I now dislike LGF for the same reason I dislike KOS. It's an echo chamber where dissent is not allowed.

Very sad. But.... it's Charles site. And since he's too smart by half, any contrary opinion is deemed rubbish.

Posted by: Mazeman at April 19, 2009 02:21 PM (cwUIe)

552 "What I don't understand is why any conservative would even be on that site? He is a leftist dirtbag who doesn't like Muslims."

BINGO!

He supported Bush, because he supported the War On Terror, because he wanted to see dead Muslims. That's the extent of his "conservatism."

Posted by: Reggie at April 19, 2009 02:22 PM (Zi1uy)

553 Oh man. Went over there and saw there was a hate AoSHQ post. One commentor asked Charles to be more reflective, that maybe when people were saying bad things about you, that you might deserve it. He refused to do so, a couple attacks on the commentor and some mild defense, he banned her.

Posted by: billhedrick at April 19, 2009 02:48 PM (Ip60w)

554 FWIW, I can listen to any genre of music - from classical to oldies rock to acoustic folk to alternative to college rock to country to even some RB and rap - except for jazz.

Jazz simply sucks, in my opinion. It's like some douchebag masturbating into a saxophone in order to impress some low self-esteem bar skank. Again, just in my opinion.

Posted by: Reggie at April 19, 2009 02:53 PM (Zi1uy)

555 Jazz simply sucks, in my opinion. It's like some
douchebag masturbating into a saxophone in order to impress some low
self-esteem bar skank. Again, just in my opinion.



Posted by: Reggie

Actually no it's not just your opinion. It's mine as well. I would add Rap/Punk as well. I don't really care for most Country music either, but I don't actively dislike it like I do Rap/Punk/Jazz. RB is OK.

Posted by: Travis at April 19, 2009 03:00 PM (8RK/v)

556 "We have Obama looting the treasury, and they are concerned about whether or not someone, somewhere might be a creationist."

Again, BINGO!

I don't care about what someone believes happened 6,000 years ago or 6,000,000,000 years ago. Instead, I care about what they believe with regards to the Constitution and the general direction of our country.

Posted by: Reggie at April 19, 2009 03:02 PM (Zi1uy)

557 So Louis Armstrong and Duke Ellington sucked? Really? Never mind all the other great musicians and songwriters who were at least jazz-influenced...like George Gershwin or Mel Torme.

FYI, I quit LGF and had my account deleted.

Posted by: packsoldier at April 19, 2009 03:21 PM (GCl/l)

558 lol @ all the people crying about how they were banned from Charles's blog because they were too stupid to follow simple rules.



Posted by: spacejesus at April 19, 2009 03:28 PM (RvM48)

559 pack:

Just my opinion, as I stated. Taste in music is inherently subjective. It's not something one can really "debate" about, amiright?

Posted by: Reggie at April 19, 2009 03:28 PM (Zi1uy)

560 space:

You are a ChuckBot, nothing more.

The "simple rules" at LGF seem to be:

1 - Don't ever criticize Charles
2 - Don't ever disagree with Charles
3 - Always praise Charles

If you don't follow those three simple rules, you are likely to be banned.

I was banned for posting two comments. One was pro-Ron Paul. The other was anti-David Frum. I was banned literally within minutes.

Posted by: Reggie at April 19, 2009 03:31 PM (Zi1uy)

561 Tell me what rule I broke, spacejesus.

Posted by: mama winger at April 19, 2009 03:34 PM (05c3T)

562 rather be a chuck-bot than a beck-bot any day


I count 4 ways to get banned from LGF

1. ask to be banned
2. ask to be banned then come back
3. tell charles what he can and can't post on his blog
4. be a racist piece of shit


I disagree with Charles all the time over there, and have successfully pissed off every single poster on that blog to no extent. I think I still hold the record for most down-dinged post in LGF history. my negative karma is measured in thousands.

guess what though? I'm still there because I'm not a retarded cry baby child or racist.

Posted by: spacejesus at April 19, 2009 03:35 PM (RvM48)

563 557 "I don't care about what someone believes happened 6,000 years ago or
6,000,000,000 years ago. Instead, I care about what they believe with
regards to the Constitution and the general direction of our country."

A lot of people do care, and the perception that conservatives are dumb has been costing the right in the last few elections. I stand by what I wrote above at 506.

Posted by: Brian at April 19, 2009 03:36 PM (ENhzh)

564 mama winger,


hell if I know what rule you broke, do I look like your biographer?

Posted by: spacejesus at April 19, 2009 03:37 PM (RvM48)

565 559 - Errrrrr - Wake up! Where in the rules on LGF does it say that it is against the rules to downding one of the whack job lemmings like sharmutta? And where does it say that you can't have your own opinion about a topic?

Are you comfortable in an environment like that? Or are you one of the lemmings?




Posted by: iam7545 at April 19, 2009 03:38 PM (4qKem)

566 Great. you brought your own troll with you, no less.
Thanks a lot.

Posted by: Who Knows at April 19, 2009 03:40 PM (7FgWm)

567 Brian hits it right on the fucking head.


social conservative nut-jobs are dragging the central issue which is small government through the mud along with their crazy pet ideas, and allowing all of us who just want a non-invasive bureaucracy to be grouped alongside creationists, xenophobes, and homophobes.

charles understands this, and it's social conservative crazies like the people who get banned from his site that are de facto, the greatest allies of Obama and big government at the end of the day.

Posted by: spacejesus at April 19, 2009 03:42 PM (RvM48)

568 @566
That place is rigged up like narc central. There is an instituted system of dings, that you can be banned because of using.
Makes sense.

Posted by: Who Knows at April 19, 2009 03:43 PM (7FgWm)

569 Well spacejesus, since I don't fall into any of your 4 slots, it is indeed a mystery, no?

Posted by: mama winger at April 19, 2009 03:50 PM (05c3T)

570 Posted by: spacejesus

We are tolerant of creationists, ID folks, bible-thumpers, Jews, libertarians, even non-troll Democrats.

It is amusing to have someone show up criticizing us narrow-minded folks from a website hosted by a control freak.

Anyone who doesn't agree with you is a racist, Creationist, homophobe, etc.

Posted by: Travis at April 19, 2009 03:57 PM (8RK/v)

571 gee mama winger, I bet you are expecting me to ask you why you got banned?

well, I'm not going to.


I'm sure Charles could dig up the brilliant post(s) you made that brought down the ban hammer, but I'm not one to go ask him to waste his time going back and digging them all up. Sorry.



Posted by: spacejesus at April 19, 2009 04:00 PM (RvM48)

572 I don't really care what you or a select group of people on this blog are tolerant of Travis.

I'm talking about the people who were banned from LGF.

Posted by: spacejesus at April 19, 2009 04:02 PM (RvM48)

573 I'm talking about the people who were banned from LGF.


Posted by: spacejesus

The point is that we are not who you think we are, Charles Johnson is not who you think he is, and you are far from being the tolerant and open-minded fellow you imagine yourself to be.

Posted by: Travis at April 19, 2009 04:04 PM (8RK/v)

574 thank you for those conclusory statements travis. I will now go reevaluate my life.

Posted by: spacejesus at April 19, 2009 04:07 PM (RvM48)

575 thank you for those conclusory statements travis. I will now go reevaluate my life.


Posted by: spacejesus

Nice to see we are finally getting through to you clueless sycophants.

One final bit of advice...throw away the kneepads. That shit is just degrading.

Posted by: Travis at April 19, 2009 04:11 PM (8RK/v)

576 spacejesus - you are in denial

Read the posts here detailing the many ways to get banned at lgf.

Maybe you are sharmutta's gynecologist or something. Who knows.

Posted by: iam7545 at April 19, 2009 04:15 PM (4qKem)

577 iamnumbers,

why on earth would I blindly believe a one-sided account of why someone was banned from LGF?

"CHARLES BANNED ME BECAUSE I DISSENTED FROM HIS VIEWS"
=
"I tried telling him what he could and couldn't post after he warned me 8000 times not to do it so he finally banned me."

Posted by: spacejesus at April 19, 2009 04:19 PM (RvM48)

578 Travis, you put that sowell.
They can throw away the kneepads, relax, breathe deep and enjoy themselves.
It is degrading to walk on eggshells and guard your speech.

Posted by: Who Knows at April 19, 2009 04:20 PM (7FgWm)

579 spaced - read the posts and stop your rants. There are tons of stories here detailing lgf executions. You must be sharmutta in drag or something because anyone that frequented LDF knows that charles by his own admission cancels people for all of the reasons claimed here.

Why are you defending a fookin lunatic?

If you go to LGF now, and read his blog threads can you deny that he has gone off the deep end?

space - I doubt that anyone here believes a word you are saying - I don't

Posted by: iam7545 at April 19, 2009 04:25 PM (4qKem)

580 It is degrading to walk on eggshells and guard your speech.


Posted by: Who Knows

Some people like the security of that sort of thing. They are given the limits within which they must operate and they don't have to worry about being challenged or needing to think. It's comforting for them. Prisons experience the same sort of thing. Prisoners who break the law so they will be sent back to a less hectic environment.

Posted by: Travis at April 19, 2009 04:27 PM (8RK/v)

581 Oh, you can disagree with Charles all day long. Just do not do it on his site and do not disagree about Creationists being complete and utter morons. The guy is the Hitler of his site and anyone that disagrees with him are a bunch of Jews.

Posted by: ZeroDamage at April 19, 2009 04:35 PM (g6Emm)

582 Used to enjoy lgf till it turned against religious people. Got labelled a 'creationist supporter' and banned for not removing a link from my blogroll. There were a few posters there that were both intelligent and humorous. Too few. I enjoy Ace a couple times a week, but it's tough to disagree with the folks here. I now enjoy my anti-social networking at Fark (Politics tab) now. Nothing like twisting the lefties panties in a knot and watching them squirm. Low hangin' fruit.

Posted by: El-Amin Chirag-ud-Din at April 19, 2009 04:39 PM (OafAW)

583 "Oh, you can disagree with Charles all day long. Just do not do it on
his site and do not disagree about Creationists being complete and
utter morons. The guy is the Hitler of his site and anyone that
disagrees with him are a bunch of Jews."


do you people even listen to yourselves? god you are a special breed of retards

Posted by: spacejesus at April 19, 2009 04:43 PM (RvM48)

584 CJ owns the blog. He can do whatever he wants with it. That being said, I think it is a stretch to suggest he is acting in the best interest of Republicans.

LGF was a serious blog that focused on a serious issue: Islamic fascism. Now, the focus seems to be shifting toward right-wing extremism. Not exclusively, but look at the posts tagged "extremism" since Obama was elected. All, or nearly all, focus on the right. Does CJ actually believe right-wing extremism is as serious a threat as Islamic fascism? If so, I submit LGF is not a serious blog. If not, then my apologies.

CJ is fixated on defending the DHS right-wing memo, painting those who question it as a bunch of hysterical nuts. But the truth is, no one is saying their aren't batshit crazy right-wingers who may do something stupid and/or evil. The main gripe most have with the memo is that it paints with a broad brush, casting suspicion on activities protected by the Constitution. All of his anecdotal posting about crazy nativists making pipe bombs in their cabins or whatever misses the point of the other side's argument.

CJ is pro science. Good. CJ is anti-creationism. Good again (please don't bludgeon me). However, why does Mr. Science focus on the GOP's weak points? The left has their own holes big enough to drive a truck through. Alternative energy/ethanol, anti-GMO nonsense, anti-DDT, anti-nuke. Plenty of bad science to go around, but CJ seems to focus on the right. He appears to be moving toward to AGW-believer side, after calling AGW the left's article of blind faith.

CJ seems to think he has the answers to the GOP's problems. While I agree with him on the importance of real science, I fail to see how this is a game-changer. He seems certain that it is the GOP's weak point, but who is he asking? He is a musician... from California. Nothing wrong with his occupation or location, but he can't really believe that anti-ID is the way to reach the masses?

CJ took down the picture of the Islamist holding the leftie. If he hasn't already, I think he'll make it clear that LGF is no longer a conservative blog within a few months.

LGF is starting to become its own topic. Long term, this is probably not a good thing. The bannings and their arbitrary nature (for downdinging?) are a story in and of themselves. The need to constantly defend against the smallest perceived slight. Proclaiming that every critic is having a meltdown, or that their heads are exploding, etc...

All that said, I'll continue to visit. For now.

Posted by: bunny boy at April 19, 2009 04:46 PM (YsSn7)

585 574 "...Charles Johnson is not who you think he is..."

Pardon? He is a guy posting links to a blog and commenting on whatever topics interest him. The only ways I can think of for his identity to be relevant is if he were to make arguments from authority or claim to cover something comprehensively while omitting key information. He does neither. In fact, his blog is transparently a personal selective pastiche of jazz, cycling, national security matters, promoting science, exposing and decrying racism among fellow anti-jihad groups, and exposing conspiracy theories on various topics (9/11, ID, Creationism, psychic powers, Obama's birth certificate, the anti-vaccination movement, etc.).

So far as his finding evidence of racism among European "right wing" groups, the importance of this is not automatically superseded by their own statements to the contrary such as those cited in comment 280. In fact, the point of investigative journalism is to break the facade of gentility put up by slime bags so they don't hijack mainstream groups to gain legitimacy and achieve nefarious ends. And if a group views the struggle between the Arabs and Jews the same way I view that between the Nazis and Soviets, I want to know about it.

Posted by: Brian at April 19, 2009 04:47 PM (ENhzh)

586 or claim to cover something comprehensively while omitting key information. He does neither.

Posted by: Brian

You mean like claiming that George Bush bowed to the Saudi monarch when any clown with two eyes could he did not?

Posted by: Travis at April 19, 2009 04:57 PM (8RK/v)

587 He's a self righteous, thin skinnedasshole, pushing his own agenda. Not any problem, but it seems that many people thought he was a conservative and are disappointed now.

Posted by: Who Knows at April 19, 2009 05:05 PM (7FgWm)

588 To 587: Allow me to quote from the
relevant post from LGF: http://tinyurl.com/cu26sf




"Those of you who are buying into
this hyperventilating nonsense need to see this video. (Click the image
to watch.)"

He does not say to believe anything
just because he said so, or obscure his sources. He offers an opinion,
along with the primary material he drew it from. I understand from your
comment that you exclude bowing to receive a medal from the definition of
"bowing". That's fine, but does not make the description
outlandish. More to the point, even if it were, LGF includes the link
to the relevant video.

The crucial point ought not be
whether it is worse for a shorter president to bow while accept a medal, or for
a taller one to bow so as not to tower over the King of Saudi Arabia.

The larger point is the reality of
continuous American subservience, aptly symbolized by both presidents'
interactions with the King. Is it better for the right to argue for what
American policy should be in the future by honestly recognizing what it has
been in the past, or to gleefully point out Bush was receiving a medal so not arbitrarily bowing and Obama
must therefore be uniquely pro-Saudi?

Posted by: Brian at April 19, 2009 05:32 PM (ENhzh)

589 Spacejesus,

In time, you will be banned at lgf.
It will come when you least expect it.
You know it's true, and you know that we know it's true.

So why are you here anyway?
That freedom of speech thing not working out well enough for you on lgf?

Posted by: Boeing at April 19, 2009 06:12 PM (YaBmG)

590 He's a self righteous, thin skinnedasshole, pushing his own agenda.
Not any problem, but it seems that many people thought he was a
conservative and are disappointed now.

Any 'conservative' that continues to stay there must surely realize that they are being manipulated, peer-pressured, and coerced into the liberal view. I thought that conservatives had more spine, but I've been wrong before, and I'll be wrong again. Maybe they actually are leaving in droves, if the Alexa numbers are any indication. It must really bug his chaps that some of the highest rated comments are usually from people that are politely giving him the finger. Maybe he's too dense to notice.

Posted by: El-Amin Chirag-ud-Din at April 19, 2009 06:15 PM (OafAW)

591 He does not say to believe anything just because he said so, or obscure his sources.

The title of the post is..."Bush Bowed too"


Charles...

Oh please. "Technically" not a bow? This is silly.

And...

Cool. So go ahead and keep refusing to face reality, folks. It was so different, what Obama did. He's evil, and Bush was just "accepting an award."If that makes you feel better, knock yourselves out.

And...

So that's not a bow? Looks like a bow to me.Oh, but it's a better bow. Right.

And then we have the banning.

Sharmuta 4/05/09 6:44:41 pm reply quote

* 0 * down * up * reportre: #411 DasherHow long do you think you'll last?

Banned!

Bang bangThats whens Charles hammer came down on his headBang BangThats when Charles hammer made sure he was dead


re: #449 buzzsawmonkey

Charles: you may want to take out my #420. I shouldn't have quoted.At least you can blame it on #420!

Did you even read the thread you posted?

At least you can blame it on #420!

Is that how you think blogs should run? People afraid that Charles "The Hammer" will get upset that they quoted someone else who was banned? They are then offered advice on how to blame it on someone else?

Lizards: Grovelling sycophants who rattle their chains and call it freedom.

Posted by: Travis at April 19, 2009 06:21 PM (8RK/v)

592 I get the impression that specaljesus is a a failed jazz artist, and Tour De France wannabe that sport's a pony tail while in his fifties.

There are only two kind's of folk's who sport pony-tail's in their fifties, hippies and fag's.

I'll leave that up to you to decide who that may be.

Posted by: Blazer at April 19, 2009 06:42 PM (+FzLa)

593 557 "I don't care about what someone believes happened 6,000 years ago or
6,000,000,000 years ago. Instead, I care about what they believe with
regards to the Constitution and the general direction of our country."A
lot of people do care, and the perception that conservatives are dumb
has been costing the right in the last few elections. I stand by what
I wrote above at 506.

Posted by: Brian at April 19, 2009 03:36 PM (ENhzh)

Well then you're still crazy and so is spacejesus.Outside of a classroom nobody gives a rats ass about evolution or creationism and plenty of Republicans manged to get elected despite believing in all the socon stuff. Repubs have lost the last couple of elections due to 3 things: Crappy Ethics, No Fiscal Conservatism and voter fatigue.

Posted by: Rocks at April 19, 2009 06:44 PM (3RHzM)

594 spacejesus- You some kind of stupid? Your Mr. Charles is a tyrant and a bully, someday, when the kool aid wears off, you might see it.

Posted by: Kat at April 19, 2009 07:36 PM (b9txj)

595 "because they were too stupid to follow simple rules"

The one simple rule "spacejesus" follows:

bend over

Posted by: someone at April 19, 2009 08:20 PM (7KUMK)

596 I still say fuck you!
It's a day later and still, fuck you!
Charles is King.
Creationism bad bad bad.
Right wing killers bad bad bad.
Obama good.
Penis good.

Posted by: Kilgore Trout at April 19, 2009 08:43 PM (g/h9/)

597 you guys should be visiting a therapy blog instead, most of you really need it



Posted by: spacejesus at April 19, 2009 09:04 PM (RvM48)

598 It's refreshing to see that so many people have come to the same conclusion I have, that LGF has gone into the nuthouse.

It used to be one of the best sites, a great place to read about the excesses and dangers of islamic jihad.

Now it is TOTALLY DISHONEST attacks against conservatives, and nothing but, all the time.

I don't just read LGF less, I don't read it at all anymore.

I'm glad conservatives are now talking about it.

Good bye LGF

Posted by: Village Idiot at April 19, 2009 09:08 PM (E6zbw)

599 Gawd, what a drama queen! Stroke yerself, Chas. Feel all better? Whack a few disagreeing souls, er, trolls. Then instantly recount what ranting or groveling you got from them in an e-mail. Only you'll know...

Posted by: JT at April 19, 2009 09:15 PM (BYwtK)

600 I haven't been banned, and I'm not going to try. However, in the "What Right Wing Extremists?" thread, I posted a link to the 7 Senators who disagreed with the DHS report. For that I got downdinged by Charles and then Cato The Elder. I then asked "Why was I downdinged for my post? I merely pointed out that 7 U.S. Senators took issue with the DGS report. Nothing more. Nothing less." and got downdinged by the same 2 people. I don't understand it.

In a separate thread, I asked Charles directly who are appropriate conservatives and he replied Charles Krauthammer and VDH. No politicians were noted.

Posted by: 4k78 at April 19, 2009 09:58 PM (bqEVr)

601 For that I got downdinged by Charles and then Cato The Elder.

Posted by: 4k78

What is that up and down dinging of comments for exactly?

Posted by: Travis at April 19, 2009 10:03 PM (8RK/v)

602 LGF is Charles Johnson and vice versa.

Like 9 out of 10 who spend time on his blog, ya gonna get the ban stick. Like hangin' in the same restaurant every day - sooner or later your gonna get a bad order (converse to the restaurant scenario, YOU are the business, he is the customer - great while it lasted - bad tuna on rye - fact check yo ass - if you were vapid you went bye-bye, it was a VOLUNTARY consortium, LGF was the nexis)

But the ban stick is not what hurts, it is that the LGF will look through your file, your history, what have you said before, said to who, your friends, what about on that other web-page, the LGF will erase not only your account, the will not only erase you, your memory, your friends, and family,... /s /mild

Actually, I suggested several times to Charles, in that he has got a damn good database going there, that he not actually delete/ban/past posts but move them to the "dumpster" so that one could go dumpster diving for the trash, but we all know it is the trash...not to make it easy to search, but if you are tracking a thread and something goes bye-bye you can open the lid for a last look or see the worm-hole in the apple (if Charles ammends/points it out) that you missed.

NOPE - he'll wipe out every memory you ever posted for the last year because HE thought you said some thing over the top. Unfortionatley he does the same to his own posts. Down the memory hole with all.... except the back-up he needs in case CAIR comes calling.



Posted by: Druid at April 19, 2009 10:25 PM (nFeDb)

603 Hey, look a village, LGF, is mssing its idiot.

/s

Posted by: Druid at April 19, 2009 10:29 PM (nFeDb)

604 I'm not posting here under my LGF nic because I don't want to get banned there.

When Charles started changing about a year ago, I simply didn't understand. I still don't. I never expected him to be conservative--I knew from his pre-9/11 posts that he was liberal. I always expected him to be fair, and to be the "site that fact-checks your ass." Then good people, polite people like Mama Winger, started getting banned strictly because of their beliefs. The ban-hammer came down for arbitrary reasons.

I agree with the post at the top of the thread that noted that Charles may be gun-shy after being attacked so many times, and may have a bit of a bunker mentality. I also agree that he may be trying to "break up" with his readership--that he sees something in us that he tolerated after 9/11--faith, conservatism, etc.--that he simply doesn't like anymore. His place, his rules.

He has done so much. I would never have started my own blog, expect that I was inspired by his courage for so many years. He opened my eyes to the prevalence of media bias, and he made me a stronger supporter of Israel.

Having said that, if he figures out who I am and bans me, if one goes through my years of posts, they're remarkably consistent, and what I said was always okay previously. The fact that I would no longer be acceptable shows someone has changed, and it wasn't me.

I still scan LGF every day, just to see if there's any news I missed. It used to be the first site I'd read when I switched on the computer. Now, if I miss a day or two, I don't miss anything. Between the Great Creationism Jihad and the Glenn Beck thing, the site is no longer what it was.

So why don't I get banned or just stop posting? I keep hoping he'll change back. When LGF is good, it's sooo good. Will it take another attack for it to go back to being the clearinghouse for information on the global jihad that it used to be? I hope not.

Posted by: Miss Beadle at April 19, 2009 10:32 PM (+ho3C)

605 I still find things of interest on LGF, but his "exploding heads" posts were just bizarre. He needs to chill out and develop a sense of humor.

Posted by: Y-not at April 19, 2009 10:34 PM (KQBGs)

606 Did you know there's a video of Charles Johnson banning someone whowas thinking bad thoughts about him?
http://tinyurl.com/cdlayv

Posted by: Crusty at April 19, 2009 10:44 PM (qzgbP)

607 Charles Johnson is a man without a country. He's not a Conservative and not a Liberal.

I just got banned after being a member for about 4 years. My crime? I simply suggested that Johnson had "lost it" for equating the Obama bow before the Saudi King to Bush's bending over to accept an award from him. That's it. Banned! He just couldn't handle any mild criticism.

Charles Johnson has thin skin and has lost his sense of fair mindedness. He no longer respects free speech nor celebrates differences of opinion. He now runs an echo chamber full of sycophants just like all the pathetic lib blogs.

What a shame. Charles Johnson was once a giant among bloggers, but is now a shadow of his former self.

Posted by: Freedom Fan at April 19, 2009 10:47 PM (yJjkp)

608 I'm not posting here under my LGF nic because I don't want to get banned there.

I must say I don't quite understand this. If his judgement is so flawed that you are afraid he will find out your identity and ban you, then why do you trust him as a source of information over that of the MSM?

Isn't that really the exact same problem that the MSM has? They refuse to allow opinions they disagree with to be heard, and try to shunt away, or hide what they don't care to deal with?

Can he really be trusted to deal honestly with information? He certainly didn't with the "Bush Bowed too" thing, or the "DHS report.

Posted by: Travis at April 19, 2009 10:49 PM (8RK/v)

609 605 I'm not posting here under my LGF nic because I don't want to get banned there.
That right there tells you everything you need to know about the twisted, weird cult that is littlegreenfootballs andthe unstable psychotic who runs it, Charles Johnson.

Posted by: Crusty at April 19, 2009 10:52 PM (qzgbP)

610 His heart's in the right place about the jihad, about the danger of groups like Velam Belangs (sp?), about Israel. His sources for that information are always good and since the MSM can't be bothered with that sort of thing, LGF is essential reading. He went a little far in demonizing Geert Wilders, but he had an internally valid reason for that (opposition to book banning) that I thought was only tangentially related to the Wilders issue. Still, at least he had a reason.

Looking at the downfall (temporary, it appears, as the Messiah's approval continues to tank) of the conservative movement and concluding that the reason is creationism is a GIGANTIC leap. Those posts are repetitive and boring, and the comments are increasingly stridently anti-religious (although I note that Charles' main posts are not that way). The Beck thing is just absolutely incomprehensible because, except for Glenn's religious faith (and FWIW, I find Mormonism goofy, but I'm not going to make an issue out of what people do or don't believe), Charles and Glenn have been nearly identical voices in the wilderness about the jihad for years. They should be allies.

It's all very sad. Do progressives attack thir own like this? It's so counterproductive.

Posted by: Miss Beadle at April 19, 2009 11:00 PM (+ho3C)

611 605
I'm not posting here under my LGF nic because I don't want to get banned there.When
Charles started changing about a year ago, I simply didn't understand.
I still don't. I never expected him to be conservative--I knew from his
pre-9/11 posts that he was liberal. I always expected him to be fair,
and to be the "site that fact-checks your ass."

Stopped the "Fact Check Your Ass" years ago. Sad.

I got on-board when it was ten-twenty reader posts a day (to each story), at about DEC 2001. Starting losing collaboration at about a hundred posts - a thousand 'ef-yeahs', nothing there anymore.

Since I have read LGF since about early 2002, until late 2008, it does deserve a place in the history books, right there in the foot notes on the bottom of the page...

LGF was excellent at "Fact Check Your Ass", wish CJ could recapture that, put the 'dumpster' out back for the censored, toss the blog-soup-nazi memory hole and all is records into the dumpster, and recover the open discorse.

And the "Fact Check Your Ass"

So Sad... gotta o watch Van Helsing again


Posted by: Druid at April 19, 2009 11:12 PM (nFeDb)

612 Did anyone who's been banned actually hear anything from Charles? Actual banning? or software glitch? or website owner gone crazy?

I went to see what's up on LGF, and found that my account had been blocked. No e-mail saying if or why, just suddenly blocked. I haven't posted there in a while, the only think that I can think of is that I added a negative rating to an anti-Beck rant that had a huge positive rating.

I enjoy Glenn's show, and have been an "Insider" for a long time. I also enjoyed LGF, and have been a member there for a long time. Sometimes Glenn goes a little overboard.. sometimes Charles does, too. I'd hate to think that disagreeing with someone and silently voicing that disagreement would result in banishment without warning. I've e-mailed Charles, be interesting to see what he says - if he says anything at all.

If it turns out that this was intentional, then I'll stop wasting my time reading his blog and move on. I'm starting to get the feeling, based on things I'm reading, that this isn't a unique situation.

Posted by: vinny meyer at April 19, 2009 11:18 PM (eDApa)

613 His heart's in the right place about the jihad, about the danger of groups like Velam Belangs

Vlaams Belang seems to be the only one currently defending the Jews in the Netherlands. The leftists have become rabidly anti-Semitic and allied themselves with the Muslim radicals. Whatever their background this is the reality on the ground where Jews are attacked, and Synagogues are being vandalized and burned. They are defending the Jews while the leftists are not.

The Democratic Party has its skeletons in the closet (slavery, Eugenics, segregation, the KKK, Robert Byrd), but he isnt screaming fascist at them. I am not sure the purity police are what the embattled Jews of Europe need right now.

It's all very sad. Do progressives attack thir own like this? It's so counterproductive.



Posted by: Miss Beadle

He is a progressive and I think he is moving back into that camp. The election of Obama was in all likelihood the catalyst for this.

Posted by: Travis at April 19, 2009 11:21 PM (8RK/v)

614 charles understands this, and it's social conservative crazies like the people who get banned from his site that are de facto, the greatest allies of Obama and big government...
-spacejesus

Yes. That's why social conservatives, and anyone who disagrees with CJ, must be banned at once. They're dangerous to the nation.

Posted by: Freedom Fan at April 19, 2009 11:22 PM (yJjkp)

615 610

605 I'm not posting here under my LGF nic because I don't want to get banned there.


That right there tells you everything you need to know about the
twisted, weird cult that is littlegreenfootballs andthe unstable
psychotic who runs it, Charles Johnson.

Posted by: Crusty

NOT SO. Charles ain't gonna get you.

If you need a nic, use one. If you need another get one, If you need a real name, Use It.


Asanaside, CJ has been for a few years in a pickle WRT rascism and extremeism, and hence hypersensitve. Oddly, during open posting days, one asshat threatened to target the res.

And asanaside, CJ is not a nic, so he has got some 'skin' in the game.

Posted by: Druid at April 19, 2009 11:23 PM (nFeDb)

616 Effin get over it Vinnie, he might as well have posted - Ooops server crash all you nice little lizzards need to reapply, and don't forget to hit the tip jar before you do.

Posted by: Druid at April 19, 2009 11:26 PM (nFeDb)

617 I went to see what's up on LGF, and found that my account had been blocked.
-vinny meyer

Maybe if you apologize and act truly sincere, CJ will see fit to re-admit you to his echo chamber.

Posted by: Freedom Fan at April 19, 2009 11:27 PM (yJjkp)

618 Effin get over it Vinnie, he might as well have posted umm.. nothing to get over. If I'm banned, I'm banned. It's his site, he can do what he pleases.

Freedom Fan, I have nothing to apologize to Charles for. If his skin is that thin, he doesn't deserve my time.

Still, would be almost funny if it all turned out to be a database error, rather than the intentional banning of a large number of members of his site, wouldn't it? Is why I asked if anybody had heard from him before being banned. Still, the more I'm reading about the situation, the less likely this appears.

V.

Posted by: vinny meyer at April 19, 2009 11:45 PM (eDApa)

619 Apologies if needed,

but concurring CJ does have some thin skin, that being said, he does have a great engine for his site, he already has the 'Dumpster', and could have easily put it out back for hobos and such to rummage through, and set a clock for how many times you get the dumpster 'treatment' before you are through... but he would rather wipe your history from public view, unless it made his front page hit (maybe 'Reagonite' on IEDs, from memory).... OK, I will grant your reset to delete your account, all your posts, except those I like.

To this I suggest prior to calendar year 2008 the entire database will be lost due to conditions which archiving could not have prevented.

Posted by: Druid at April 20, 2009 12:00 AM (nFeDb)

620 521
Fuck you! Fuck you!
That was just to make you feel at home.
Posted by: mandy manners at April 19, 2009 09:48 AM (7FgWm)

THIS is one of the overflowing with hate and vitriol LGF skanks I was talking about. Girl, you're one of the most foul and disgusting white trash idiots I have ever encountered on any blog, anywhere. I sincerely hope you and your inbred litter of future jail inmates that you pay no attention to while you troll the LGF board with your hate and vitriol spewing insanity find some kind of solace in your deep seeded hate and vitriol when karma comes a callin'.

Posted by: Thom at April 20, 2009 12:09 AM (qa3x5)

621 THIS is one of the overflowing
with hate and vitriol LGF skanks I was talking about. Girl, you're one
of the most foul and disgusting white trash idiots I have ever
encountered on any blog, anywhere. I sincerely hope you and your inbred
litter of future jail inmates that you pay no attention to while you
troll the LGF board with your hate and vitriol spewing insanity find
some kind of solace in your deep seeded hate and vitriol when karma
comes a callin'.

Posted by: Thom at April 20, 2009 12:09 AM (qa3x5)

Dude! Sock puppet... but accurate...

Posted by: Druid at April 20, 2009 12:12 AM (nFeDb)

622 I'm just chiming in here to say that I'm on Charles' side regarding Creationsim/Intelligent Design.
I just wish he'd shut the fcuk up about it.
The dude used to run the number one anti-Jihad blog in the whole entire world, and he gave it all up so that he could spend more time talkng shiat about Creationists.
Now, it's his blog and he can do whatever he wants, but that shows an, er,interestingsense of prioritization he's got there.

Posted by: Lewis at April 20, 2009 12:19 AM (23X4s)

623 The U.S. is rejecting its noble 200 year experiment with free markets and free people, and regressing into the abyss of Marxist central planning and totalitarianism.

Meanwhile, Charles is obsessed with the Christian fundamentalist threat and equating them with the Taliban. A disgusting spectacle indeed.

Posted by: Freedom Fan at April 20, 2009 12:31 AM (yJjkp)

624 The dude used to run the number one anti-Jihad blog in the whole entire
world, and he gave it all up so that he could spend more time talkng
shiat [sic] about Creationists.

Talking Shiite?

That is very very nuanced, John 'Effin Kerry nuance.

Uhhhh, like me he is an atheist.

But, unlike me, I recognize that any holy-roller, even the proverbial major 'effin holly-roller of any sort tends to, for some god forsaken reason I (does that make any sense?) thinks that there is something supernatural out there, like beyond the natural there are things, almost god-like, that might influence the natural world, or even make things happen in it, like they were gods or something...

Meanwhile, I am fucked to believe and contend with some serious ass-weasel deflowerers who really really believe that even if there was a make believe world of the supernatural, like as if, there were these critters out there who could do things anybody who lives in non-supernatural, a natural world if you will, cannot, we who live in the natural world can do more.


As an atheist... I can understand where theist come from... and sometimes I can agree with the intent if not the logic (actually... some arguements, though not logical in a 1 +1 sort of way, are pretty damn persuasive).

Ehh? Some crazy-like religious guy say he has an omnipitemt god which can make stars appear/disappear at the snap of a finger... OK.. good for you

Ehhh? Some crazy-like, umm, non-religious guy, says he has something more powerful than all the gods of... AND YOU the average law abiding American can do it TOO by merely just stuffing all your money into an envelope and sending it to me... YES! You have more power than all the gods of antiquity if/ and only if/ you send me all your money, because if you don't Barrack is gonna do it for me.



Posted by: Druid at April 20, 2009 12:44 AM (nFeDb)

625 BTW, that was meant to be incoherent, but I do not think I captured the AGW angle well enough.

Posted by: Druid at April 20, 2009 12:47 AM (nFeDb)

626 Not all religions are created equal. I don't believe in God, but I do recognize that Creationism, Intelligent Design, Christians, Jews, and Hindu's are not any great threat to the west. In fact, they tend to be our allies. Muslims have a 1,400 year history of attacking us and they are currently on the advance.

The Al-Saud dynasty is pouring billions of dollars into Mosques and terror groups around the world pushing the Wahhabist version of Islam.

Meanwhile Charles Johnson want me to give a flying fuck what some Texas schoolhouse in Amarillo is teaching, and I can't do it.

When the Baptists start detonating themselves at WalMart, then I will start taking Chuckie seriously.

Posted by: Travis at April 20, 2009 12:54 AM (8RK/v)

627 Charles banned a man that, when he found that Mamma Winger was banned he said you might as well ban me to. Charles reply! OK and banned him. space is a crazy and needs therapy, but so many of the ass kissers over there need it also. The newest idiot is Walter F Newton, whom I suspect is Killgore in drag.

Posted by: jainphx at April 20, 2009 01:10 AM (7pvWO)

628 627 "The Al-Saud dynasty is pouring billions of dollars into Mosques and
terror groups around the world pushing the Wahhabist version of Islam.Meanwhile Charles Johnson want me to give a flying fuck what some Texas schoolhouse in Amarillo is teaching, and I can't do it."

It has obvious implications for counter-jihad if we foster a culture of subjective truth, where invoking religion is enough to protect an idea from the critical analysis we would use for anything else. If falsified scientific claims are immune under the aegis of religion, all the more so will be unfalsifiable, yet palpably wrong, moral claims.

Furthermore, an wrong idea associated with a movement is problematic not only to the extent it has a direct impact, but also to the extent it is widely held in the movement and demonstrably false. Would we tolerate mixing chemistry with alchemy, astronomy with astrology, or geology with flat Earth studies? If a party or ideology looks stupid, it will be much less trusted to govern. I understand that by solving every other problem the right would win and not need to address this, but that excuse could be given to avoid solving any given problem.

Posted by: Brian at April 20, 2009 06:53 AM (ENhzh)

629 Never really read LGF much, and don't listen to Beck much either, so I can't say I care.

On the other hand, I've seen HotAir mentioned here a few times... sad, but I'm not commenting there anymore. Too much troll encouragement and bizarre management practices.

Watching AP give 3 or 4 "last warnings" to people on something... watching him behave like a spineless parent with a tantrum-throwing toddler is just sad.

And the trolls they have there aren't worth responding to; talking with, or trying to have a discussion with. Heck, most of the regular commenters have given up, and the few that remain tend to simply "scream" at the trolls to try to get them to respond; making the commentary worse.

Here, at least either the trolls respond intelligently, or they get "creatively edited" for comedy value. And I have some faith that Ace won't get randomly fed up with a flame-war and simply ban the last post he sees (I have little faith in AP's "rules" seeing as they're so flexible in some cases, and applied stringently in others).

I still read hotair's articles for now, but the comments tend to distract or annoy instead of adding to the reading there anymore. Not sure where it took a turn for the worse. I've gone back to Instapundit (who I gave up for time value) and NRO Corner (same) for the no-comment equivalent topics.

Looking over LGF, I can't see anything I'd want. Regardless of spacejesus' commentary; I don't see any "small Government" related posts aside dismissal of the tea party protests. Weird, since he realizes that should be the focus of Conservatism, that he has so few comments on it.

Or did "social conservative nut-jobs are dragging the central issue which is
small government through the mud along with their crazy pet ideas... charles understands this" mean that Charles understand this, but avoids the topic like the plague because... um... something relevant I'm sure. For a "central topic" it seems to get very little commentary.

Posted by: Gekkobear at April 20, 2009 07:15 AM (lAPaG)

630 The "social conservative nut-jobs" number in the tens of millions, and they vote. I'd rather have them vote R than vote D, wouldn't you? They are an important part of our base. To tell them all to fuck off would be political suicide.

Perhaps our candidates at the national level should at least appear more moderate on social issues in order to win over independents. Fine. But we shouldn't try to out-progressive the progressives while intentionally offending some of our most loyal supporters. Which is exactly what Chuck is doing. Which is why most conservatives now think he's a complete fucktard.

Posted by: Reggie at April 20, 2009 07:35 AM (Zi1uy)

631 space:

I know trying to talk sense into you is a complete waste of my time, but here goes anyway:

I had been a registered commenter at LGF for several years. I didn't post very often, but never had any problems until a couple weeks ago. My "crime" was to post two comments, in which I dared to defend Ron Paul and to criticize Chuck for acting like David Frum. I was banned within minutes, and his sycophants patted him on the back for banning me while denouncing me for being "racist" and an "anti-Semite" (apparently all Ron Paul supporters are anti-Semites and racists in their eyes). No warning whatsoever.

It's a crazy-town lynch mob over there. It didn't use to be like that. Chuck has jumped the shark. His traffic is in the toilet, too. Good.

Posted by: Reggie at April 20, 2009 07:46 AM (Zi1uy)

632 Well Charles - that's a fine mess you have CREATED for yourself. Sorry that you have EVOLVED into a brain wreck. Go to the Doc - get some meds for your OCD that has taken over.

I haven't been to his site in a long time, I used to read him regularly but his rants about evolution/creation were a BIG bore.

I noticed with his evolution rant that his writing is shifty & deceitful & he knows how it is.

Checked out his site this afternoon & saw that his comments on several post were WAY DOWN, many below a few hundred when they used to hit over a thousand.

He has gone the way of DOOCE.com for me....Live by the sword...


Posted by: i should be doing something else at April 20, 2009 08:10 AM (i1+rx)

633 Reggie: "...I was banned within minutes, and his sycophants patted him on the back for banning me..."

I'm noticing this come up repeatedly. How does one individual have time to scour what was (may still be, I dunno) a large number of comments to find the offensive people to ban so quickly? Between researching news to make blog posts, posting, maintaining/editing the blog (content, metadata, and software), playing guitar, and having a life, how the hell do you work in what appears from a distance to be obsessive-compulsive tracking/banning of critics?

Is C. Johnson purging all of his own accord, or does he have a team of silent moderators who ban at their own discretion under Johnson's guidance? Maybe that would explain why some people are banned abruptly and without comment (moderator selection) and others more explicitly so (CJ's personal selection).

Whatever, the "exploding heads" series is bizarre. I visited a handful of times during the Rathergate memo days (which was good stuff) but don't read his blog; however, I was curious to what seemed to be a large contingency of ex-lizards complaining about the site's apparently new practices. Noticing those posts and the subsequent sycophantic head-nodding in the comments seems unusual.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at April 20, 2009 08:59 AM (swuwV)

634 I have never banned anyone, even for anti-Semitic remarks. I only delete spam. Perhaps I have a thicker skin than Charles. If you can't take the heat...

Posted by: bernie at April 20, 2009 09:21 AM (dpvtN)

635 Travis: "Vlaams Belang seems to be the only one currently defending the Jews in the Netherlands."

According to the Vlaams Belang, and hardly anyone else.
Are you gullible, Travis, or just eager to welcome self-proclaimed 'reformed' antisemites into your fold, with little proof ?

You said "Not sure I agree with you unless you have information I missed." to 'someone', who also expressed concern about the VB.

You ignored the links to the Stephen Roth Institute, which has tracked and documented many antisemitic and racist political groups. You tried very lamely to disparage the informative article at Jewcy by Edmund Standing, which sheds light on the general phenomenon of European white nationalist groups suddenly shelving their antisemitic proclamations and supporting Israel.

It seems to me that you're defending them without actually making any effort to discover the truth about their history, and current activities and personel. The VB only did their public 180-degree turn on antisemitism a few years ago, after the entire party had been convicted in court for racism. (The party, then called Vlaams Blok, was disbanded and quickly reformed as the more image-friendly Vlaams Belang.)

Their leader still attends and speaks at white nationalist and neo-Nazi conferences, as recently as last year. Why are you giving them your support?

Posted by: o.u. at April 20, 2009 10:08 AM (UT56W)

636 The best parallel we have to meltdown of Charles Johnson LGF is... Andrew Sullivan.

Remember when Andrew Sullivan was very sensible and insightful, conservatives loved to read him. Now the only people falsely calling him "conservative" are the leftist press.

Andrew totally lost it, he didn't just change political attitudes, his postings are full of dishonesty and disingenuous attacks on conservatives.

Just like LGF now. It's the same thing.

Posted by: Village Idiot at April 20, 2009 12:32 PM (E6zbw)

637 637
The best parallel we have to meltdown of Charles Johnson LGF is... Andrew Sullivan.Remember
when Andrew Sullivan was very sensible and insightful, conservatives
loved to read him. Now the only people falsely calling him
"conservative" are the leftist press.Andrew totally lost it, he
didn't just change political attitudes, his postings are full of
dishonesty and disingenuous attacks on conservatives.
Just like LGF now. It's the same thing.

Yes I feel the same way. Sullivan used to be one of the more intelligent voices out there until Bush said he did not believe in gay marriage.

Posted by: Scipio at April 20, 2009 01:18 PM (DaNDN)

638 On a side note, what did happen to dooce.com? Never actually read it myself.

Posted by: someone at April 20, 2009 01:49 PM (7KUMK)

639 Posted by: o.u.

You need to look at both the motive of your general sources, and the motive of the primary sources that are being used. You posted a source that was leftist and hostile to Israel. They trotted forth pro-Palestinian drivel and yet I am supposed to take them as impartial? The article in question you linked to is written by Edmund Standing, but the primary source he uses is Robert Edwards.

Robert Edwards is a Fascist. He is an admirer of Oswald Mosley, who was the pre-war leader of the British Fascist party.

So lets look at it honestly shall we.

You have a pro-Palestinian website quoting a fascist who attacks the BNP for being pro-Jewish, and you seriously wonder why I am not convinced?

As for Vlaams Belang being convicted in a Dutch court for racism, well we in Canada have Human Rights Commissions and they have brought Mark Steyn, Ezra Levant, and others up on charges in their little kangaroo courts.

The Dutch government has shown no willingness to go after Muslim hate groups who are virulently anti-semitic, but they just happened to go after Vlaams Belang? I wasn't aware that the Netherlands was so pro-Israeli. You wouldn't know it from their conduct, so why are they targetting VB? That warm fuzzy feeling they have for Israel and Jews in general?

I don't know how to break it to you but the Brownshirts are already marching in the streets of Europe. They changed the colour of their shirts though, so there is that!

The call themselves the Blackhoods, or Antifa (Anti-Fascist Action). Dressed in black with a hood and a mask they are commiting arson attacks, disrupting demonstrations, and street violence. The UKs Antifa group have been marching right alongside Hezbollah, and Hamas, with the Whitechapel Anarchist Group to show solidarity with the people of Gaza. The same thing is happening elsewhere.

The governments of Europe are HOSTILE to Israel. The French stand by and do nothing while Muslim groups in alliance with socialists attack the Jewish community throughout France. They don't like Israel, so why do you credit them as a reliable source as to who is, and is not dangerous?

Posted by: Travis at April 20, 2009 02:16 PM (jDX+5)

640 Here is how Charles has demonstrated he has lost his intellectual credibility:
1) He posts this as a headline:Rush and Glenn Beck Advertising Alex Joneswith the story partCurrently being advertised on both the Rush Limbaugh and Glenn Beck radio shows: The Obama Deception, an Alex Jones film that rehashes every insane conspiracy theory about Barack Obama.
The Ron Paul kooks are excited about their increasing legitimization.
2) Then when he is informed that Rush et al do not control local ads he posts (#90)this There is absolutely no excuse for running an advertisement for this garbage. Its so irresponsible it boggles the mind. Its exactly like running an ad for Loose Change or some other 9/11 Truther film.
This makes me sick.
and(#97)Sorry, its ridiculous to say they have no control over the ads that appear on their shows. Thats simply not true.
3) When it finally sinks in that he was wrong and should not have condemded Rush et al he said (#125)Thats just stupid. I simply pointed out that the ads were running on Rushs and Glenn Becks shows, and the comment about the Ron Paulians is nothing more than a fact. They are excited about their increasing legitimization.
But if you really want to insist on taking offense, knock yourself out.
Sounds like Charles is Channeling Markos.

Posted by: Keith Freeprot at April 20, 2009 03:12 PM (9WJth)

641 578 iamnumbers,why on earth would I blindly believe a one-sided account of why someone was banned from LGF? "CHARLES BANNED ME BECAUSE I DISSENTED FROM HIS VIEWS"="I tried telling him what he could and couldn't post after he warned me 8000 times not to do it so he finally banned me."
SJ,
I doubt I can convince you of anything. It seems you really don't want to believe. But I will say this one more time; I never insulted anyone, never took a pro-"creationist" stance (but if I had, would that deserve banning?) ever, never said a racist word, never typed a single expletive,and never acted the troll. The only thing "negative" was to disagree with Charles on "wishing Obama to fail" (explained why fairly well too I thought) and rating down the constant, and in my opinion kind of shrill, anti-Creationist posts (nce again, I am not a Creationist of any stripe). There were no "warnings", none. I simply had my account blocked.
Unfortunately, if what I'm hearing is true, none of my few posts will be there to read and prove what Im telling you. So far, however, I have read posts from dozens (at a minimum) of other ex-LGF members who have related the exact same experience and, like me, completely confused as to why. Yet you seem to believe were all telling tales, we must have been, what was the phrase used earlier? Flipping him off with both hands.
Mark

Posted by: Mark Rethoret at April 20, 2009 04:31 PM (dNitG)

642 Travis, addressing your points:

1) Calling Jewcy.com a 'pro-Palestinian' website is inaccurate, to say the least. Read the articles tagged with 'Israel', and 'Palestine', and you'll see that almost all of them are pro-Israel (or Google the site for Hamas, Durban, Chas Freeman, Ahmadinejad etc.). There is some introspective self-criticism as well, and a few Israel authors write sympathetically about the experiences of Israeli Arabs or Palestinians but to call the entire site 'pro-Palestinian' is more than a stretch - it's a falsehood.

2) Edmund Standing uses three primary sources in his article, not one. The other two are a Nation report on the American Renaissance white power conference, and Nick Griffin's own words as posted on the BNP blog. If you're uncomfortable about trusting a Nation article, there are other reports of the conferences on the web.

3) You query my sources, but you completely ignored again the reports from the Stephen Roth Institute for the Study of Antisemitism and Racism. Are they pro-Palestinian too? (No, they're strongly pro-Israeli).

4) Whatever stupidity the Canadian 'Human Rights Commission' decided about Mark Steyn has no bearing on the guilt or innocence of the Vlaams Blok. By your faulty logic, anyone who's convicted of racism anywhere in the world must be innocent because of the Canadian HRC's actions.

5) "The Dutch government [..] just happened to go
after Vlaams Belang?"
European governments, particularly those who were under Nazi rule, are very sensitive about any resurgence of Nazism. Do you blame them?
They are, in comparison, too slow to prosecute radical Muslims, and this creates the political opportunity for the white nationalist parties, but again, this doesn't mean that the VB are not a racist party.

5) Yes, the Antifa groups are militant leftists, potentially as dangerous as the groups they oppose. Once again, this doesn't mean that the Vlaams Belang are the 'good' party.

How concerned are you really about Israel, or a Nazi threat in Europe, if you're willing to give your support to a group with a solid neo-Nazi history and that until a few years ago (until they got slammed by the court) was denying the Holocaust, and pushing for a whites-only demographic, and has neo-Nazis in its membership and leadership?

Several Vlaams Belang MP's (including the party leader deWinter) have given the 'heil hitler' raised arm salute when being sworn in to government. One of them was jailed for it. The most recent was in 2006. Do you really think they've switched from being neo-Nazis to 'Jew lovers' in that short a period?

Posted by: o.u. at April 20, 2009 05:01 PM (aiYwF)

643 Posted by: o.u.

Well its nice to know that you guys are on the ball watching out for those Creationists, Intelligent Designers, the BNP, and Vlaams Belang. They just seem like they are on our side, but clearly they are...as you put it, "wolves in sheep's clothing". Never mind Hamas, Hezbollah, or the tens of thousands murdered by the Muslim radicals, lets cast our steely gaze on those who have killed... no one?

I am very concerned about the fascist threat in Europe, but you are looking in the wrong fucking direction! The Antifa groups ARE the Nazi's. That's why they are down with Hamas and Hezbollah, who... you know, are actually killing Jews, Israeli's and westerners on a daily basis.

Vlaams Belang is one of the more pro-Israeli parties in Europe and you want to cast them into the outer darkness because they don't meet your purity tests. You don't however, take a look at the so-called moderate parties, and socialist parties with their alliances with extremist Muslims and rampant anti-semitism.

"Rather I should die a thousand times, and see Old Glory trampled in
the dirt never to rise again, than to see this beloved land of ours
become degraded by race mongrels, a throwback to the blackest specimen
from the wilds."



Who said that? Do you know? Was it someone from Vlaams Belang?



Democratic Senator Robert Byrd, ex-KKK member. Are you, or Chuckie going
to hold the American Democratic party to the same standards you hold the VB?



No, I didn't think so!

These same people in the EU that are so very concerned about 'racism' and 'xenophobia' are currently attending the Durban conference with its sick antisemitism and anti-Israeli diatrabes. I am supposed to believe that they have Judaism's and Israel's best interest at heart? The same people who despise Israel and are fine with the increasing attacks on Jews throughout Europe, are the same ones who scream racist and xenophobe the quickest.

"Wolves in sheep's clothing" indeed!

Europeans did nothing to combat anti-Semitism in the 1930s and they are doing nothing now. Charles Johnson's sources, which I believe are the one's you are using, tend to be leftist, or far-left and that should give you pause. It doesn't, but it should.

Chuckie plays his jazz while Europe burns, but all is not lost because Cuckie and friends know that they will be moral and pure of heart not having violated the tenents of political correctness.

Posted by: Travis at April 20, 2009 06:02 PM (jDX+5)

644 Travis,

You say: "Well its nice to know that you guys are on the ball watching out for
those Creationists, Intelligent Designers, the BNP, and Vlaams Belang."



The BNP and VB have a long history of violence, racism, and agitating
for same. It's ridiculous to put them in the same group as Creationists
and ID'ers, who are harmless, and not Nazi's.


Listen, you're free to ally with the Vlaams Belang and the BNP, both white nationalist parties of neo-Nazi origin.

It's true that if the neo-Nazi's were elected and went through with their policy of changing the demographic to a white-only one, then yes, a consequence would be the removal of almost all Muslims, and therefore of all Muslim extremists, from the national populaitons.

You clearly don't have a problem with this scenario.
I think the scenario is evil and sick.

(I never said "wolves in sheep's clothing", by the way, you're mistaken).

Posted by: o.u. at April 20, 2009 08:33 PM (aiYwF)

645 No great movement designed
to change the world can bear to be laughed at or belittled. Mockery is
a rust that corrodes all it touches. -Milan Kundera
Islam understands this, which is why it kills those who lampoon it. Conservatives should take heed to this truth too, and distance ourselves from those who would tar us by association. Remember the effect Tina Fey had on the public perception of Sarah Palin. There is nothing more laughable than a ridiculous belief, earnestly held, against all available evidence. Is giving a wink to obscurantism really the best tactical choice to regain a Republican majority in America? In the face of demographic trends showing young adults are abandoning beliefs and prejudices whose best justification is that they have been long and widely held? Is it any wonder that young voters never stop to think about the implications of the growth of our federal government, when the vocal faction of the Republican party seems to believe in using the government to implement its idiosyncratic social ideas?

It is old news that the left has terrible associations that are under reported by a sympathetic media, http://littlegreenfootballs.com/article/23879_A_Klan_President/comments/. Nonetheless, it is up to conservatives to clean our own house.

Posted by: Brian at April 20, 2009 08:40 PM (ENhzh)

646 Posted by: o.u.

So if I disagree with you I am endorsing Nazi tactics?
Charles Johnson pulls the same juvenile leftist tactics.

You do belong at Little Green Footballs.

Treating someone who cuts peoples heads off in the same manner as someone who said a mean word is just another form of suicide.



Posted by: Travis at April 20, 2009 08:55 PM (jDX+5)

647 Travis: "So if I disagree with you I am endorsing Nazi tactics?"

It's got nothing to do with whether you agree with me or not : if you support neo-Nazi white nationalist parties, it follows that you support their policies.

Posted by: o.u. at April 20, 2009 09:07 PM (aiYwF)

648 It's got nothing to do with whether you agree with
me or not : if you support neo-Nazi white nationalist parties, it
follows that you support their policies.


Posted by: o.u.

Pro-Jewish Neo-Nazi's who support Israel?

Go back to your DHS report and keep up the good work in hunting down those right-wing Christianist extremist veterans.

Posted by: Travis at April 20, 2009 09:37 PM (jDX+5)

649 Travis: "Pro-Jewish Neo-Nazi's who support Israel"

Travis, given your anger, obviously low IQ and comprehension skills, maybe you are the kind of retarded asshole who might gravitate towards extremism.

Certainly, you've got a hard-on for the white nationalists in Europe.

Posted by: o.u. at April 21, 2009 08:29 AM (UT56W)

650 "VB only did their public 180-degree turn on antisemitism a few years
ago, after the entire party had been convicted in court for racism."

I'm sorry, but why are people being convicted of the "crime" of "racism" in any "free" country?

Racism is just an opinion, a worldview. It's an unpopular one, but it shouldn't be illegal to hold unpopular beliefs. I would be more concerned about a country with a government that throws people in prison for having politically incorrect beliefs than about a political party that is accused of being "racist."

The GOP is called "racist" everyday in this country. Maybe eventually under President Obama (or some other left-wing Democrat) the Republican leadership will all be convicted of thought crimes, too.

I weep for the future.

Posted by: Reggie at April 21, 2009 08:33 AM (Zi1uy)

651 Reggie: "Racism is just an opinion, a worldview. It's an unpopular one, but it shouldn't be illegal to hold unpopular beliefs."

It's not illegal.

Posted by: o.u. at April 21, 2009 08:43 AM (UT56W)

652 651 I'm sorry, but why are people being convicted of the "crime" of "racism" in any "free" country?

In a country marginally less free than ours. Europe has criminalized certain odious actions, whereas in America we count on the political process to marginalize those holding these views. O.U. was citing the convictions as evidence of racism. He was presumably not advocating convicting them here or in Europe, but of marginalizing them everywhere.
The GOP is called "racist" everyday in this country.

Let's work to make that statement ludicrously false, so it backfires against those who say it. News flash: we are not there yet.

Maybe eventually under President Obama (or some other left-wing
Democrat) the Republican leadership will all be convicted of thought
crimes, too.

Although I disagree, it is easy to see why people would think outlawing wrong beliefs is the best way to fight them. Nonetheless, it will only be an alluring alternative to free speech if political parties don't have reasonable standards themselves.

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655 Reggie: "Racism is just an opinion, a worldview. It's an unpopular one, but it shouldn't be illegal to hold unpopular beliefs."

It's not illegal.


Posted by: o.u.

"after the entire party had been convicted in court for racism."

Posted by: o.u. at April 20, 2009 10:08 AM

It's not illegal.



Posted by: o.u.

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It's not illegal.




Posted by: o.u.


Posted by: Travis at April 22, 2009 03:45 PM (gXPJF)

656 It's not illegal to hold or not hold any particular set of beliefs, as far as I'm aware, in the US or the UK.

Some other European countries (eg. Germany Austria) have laws outlawing support for the Nazi party, and any denial of Nazi history.

In England, the Race and Religion Act of 2006 followed on from the Public Order Act of 1986 outlawing incitements to racial hatred. From the Home Office website: "This law, which came into effect
in 2007, makes it a criminal offence to use threatening words or
behaviour with the intention of stirring up hatred against any group of
people because of their religious beliefs or their lack of religious
beliefs."

This is the law that was used to prosecute jihadi cleric Abu Hamza and neo-Nazi Nick Griffin - precisely the kind of the cases it was designed for.

Both the cases you cite are abuses of the law that never made it through court. One was thrown out by the judge, and in the other, Robin Page was cleared and won damages against the police.

I'm amazed how much energy you're putting into defending your support for neo-Nazi white nationalist parties in Europe like the BNP and the VB.

Wouldn't it be easier to admit that you were wrong?

Posted by: o.u. at April 24, 2009 06:34 AM (UT56W)

657 It's not illegal to hold those opinions...you just cannot speak of them?

Do you really think such sophomoric wordplay is meaningful?

You seem incapable of actual reason, or logic. It actually makes sense to you that men who are cutting peoples head off should be held in the same regard as those who have spoken words you find offensive. You are one of a legion of self-loathing leftists who seem incapable of understanding that a real threat exists outside the confines of your warm little echo chamber.

You are discussing only a fantasy of what you believe to be happening as opposed to the cold reality. Do you really imagine the Jihadists give a damn about the stunning strength of your well-reasoned arguments? You and Charles Johnson pine for the moral purity of the ideal position and viciously attack anyone who dares violate your holy scripture. You're worried that someone may have been called a mean name, while the Taliban steadily advance on the failing state of Pakistan and its stockpile of nuclear weapons.

You think that the VB/BNP, who haven't killed anyone are to be compared to groups who have murdered thousands? You're like a bunny rabbit... without the rabbits sense of self-preservation. It staggers the mind how anyone can be so bereft of common sense.

Well I have some news for you. The black-hearted bastards of the world don't care what you, or Chuckie think! They really don't! You are just medieval monks scribbling in your dim halls muttering darkly about sin and heresy (political correctness).

Pamela Geller, Robert Spencer, and others, the VB among them are actually doing something while you wax poetic about your purity, and shriek abuse at them for going out into the world.


There is such a gap between how one lives and how one ought to live that anyone who abandons what is done for what ought to be done learns his ruin rather than his preservation: for a man who wishes to profess goodness at all times will come to ruin among so many who are not good. Niccolo Machiavelli

Posted by: Travis at April 25, 2009 12:23 AM (aJgSm)

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If you must watch the Friday night coliseum slaughters, Amazon Blogathons, or check for the impending meltdown -- use a different IP address.

Posted by: Rewrite! at April 25, 2009 03:32 PM (BYwtK)

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Posted by: Rewrite! at April 25, 2009 03:39 PM (BYwtK)

660 Travis: "It's not illegal to hold those opinions...you just cannot speak of them?"

You can speak of them, what you can't do is incite people to violence against a particular group. eg. "I hate green people" is ok, "It's time to rise up and kill the green people" is not ok.

Travis: "You are one of a legion of self-loathing leftists .."
Sorry, no. I've always voted right, not left. I won't support white nationalist parties, though, particularly those of neo-Nazi origin.

Travis: "You think that the VB/BNP, who haven't killed anyone are to be compared to groups who have murdered thousands?"



I never compared them. You're trying to make out that because I'm against the VB and BNP (the white nationalists), I must therefore support the jihadists. That is dishonest of you.

You are trying to persuade me that extreme parties like the BNP and VB,
ostracised and hated, are the only choice left in the fight against
Islamism. That's just not how I see it.



You must be aware that the British military, secret service and military are all actively engaged in the fight against jihadists. These operations in Iraq, Afghanistan and internally against the jihadist threat are all taking place without any input from the fringe BNP.

The only thing that the BNP and VB bring to their table is their xenophobic rejection of non-whites. Even then, we have parties like UKIP which cover many of the BNP's positions (tight immigration control, rejection of EU integration) without sharing the rest of their Nazi ideologies.

I assume you're not supporting white nationalists like Stormfront in the USA, so why are you supporting them in Europe?

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Charles kept spewing out that same old Darwiniac lie that says "belief in evolution does not preclude belief in God and belief in God does not preclude belief in evolution". So in other words, Charles does notthink you're a total crackpot if you believe in God as long as you believe in evolution. BUT, if youimply that God had something to do with the formation of the universe and human life via evolution or otherwise, now all of a sudden according to Charles, you're anintelligent design nutcase worthy of being banned from his site!
I used to think thatCharles only had a bug up his butt over intelligent design being taught in schools. Fair enough, I can maybe see his point there. BUT when bloggers started giving credence to certain arguments for intelligent design, NOT that it should be taught in schools, but just valid points for intelligent design and then Charles started mocking them for what they believedand then 40 other atheist bloggers started ganging up on the person, this pretty much convinced me of the absurdity of what LGF has now become. One of the bloggers making a case for ID was even mocked by another blogger for capitalizing God and Creator! Well, I'm sorry to offend youratheistic sensitivities Charles but I, also, believe that God is my Creator knowing full well that it was technically myfather and mother whomade me!So what's your point? Is it that nasty "C" word??
Charles used to have many Evangelical bloggers but when he startedin on the spin that the reason the Republicans lost the presidential election was because 7 out of the 10Republican candidates believed in creation (gimme a freaking break), not to mention the constant ID bashing, his site pretty much turned into the "Little Green Atheists" blog!

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