1 Jesus. This dumb fucker even leaves his e-mail address the same when he's sockpuppetting. Try harder, Andros.
The Trollbusters

2 It is called projection. They know what they would do, and how they conduct themselves, so they expect the same sort of thing from others. They expect the government or some other organization to direct their lives and the idea that an event can take place without direction from above is alien to them.

3 I can't take a hint. I'm a lifeless academic trying desperately to make myself relevant, so I troll conservative websites anonymously because I'm too embarrassed to surf porn sites. Come take my classes at Pace University!

4 1: The left knows damn well no one on the right called it Tea Bagging.  That's the same kind of liberal flim-flammery that convinced everyone that it was Sarah Palin who said she could see Russia from her house, rather than Tina Fey in her droll impersonation.

2:  They also know damn well that this wasn't centrally organized by Hillary's "vast Right Wing Conspiracy."  And even if it was, so what?  Obama's entire "grassroots" backing was funded by Soros, the Hollywood elite, the MSM, ACORN, La Raza, and largely at tax-payers' expense!

I think they're just pissy that they had to spend all that money for their rallies and hang out with dirty hippies, while we had bigger turnouts without having to pay people to show up (people, I might add, who comprehend the use of a shower WITHOUT the "Golden" prefix.)

As to maintaining the momentum, we need to keep hammering at our so-called representatives.  Make sure they know that their political careers are one foot in the grave, and the other on a banana peel.  Remind them that they goddamn well work for us; we hired them, we pay them, and we can fire them.  Remind them that, thanks to Big Sister Jan-Jan, the military won't necessarily answer their call.

We also need to flood the MSM.  If every person who attended a tea party will follow up with a complaint e-mail to the MSM, they WILL notice.  Just as they've noticed that Fox's viewership has nearly TRIPLED theirs.  Contact the advertisers on those networks and ask them if they condone their recent behavior, and if so, why would anyone want to associate with news organizations who have to resort to crude sex jokes DURING THEIR NEWSCASTS!

I also suggest staging another rally to commemorate Obama's 100th day in office.  And hold it outside the various studios and affiliates of these so-called news organizations.

5 I'm for a July 4th rally.
I think what shocked the left is they always assumed they owned the large protest.
Now they know different and that's whats really bugging them.
Not to mention how much occurred over flyover country. Something they really couldn't pull off. Most of there's were one day affairs in major metro areas with most protesters acting like a bunch twits.

6 One of the major reasons I don't want the Republican's to piggyback on the movement is that it merely gives a skein of truth to the left's lie that this is an astroturf movement. The other is that I'm about sick of half the Republican's as well.

7 As long as the left keeps believing their own bullshit, they won't see the tsunami coming.

8 The problem with any grass roots movement is that it is invariably corrupted by elites it left out.  When any movement gains momentum, there are millions of dollars waiting on the sidelines, ready to co-opt the people running it.

And in this case, because there are no real "Cigarette Men" or centralized control running the Tea Parties, it just makes it that much easier for an interested party to grab some control.

If anything, the Tea Parties have just shown what a complete failure the GOP leadership is.  The GOP OWNS taxes as a political issue, and where are the leaders?

K

9 I think this goes back to the core problem of how to see anything other than what you want to see ...

A person who will not kill in God's name will never understand a Muslim (or a Thuggee, if there are any left).

A person who pays his bills and doesn't max out credit cards can not understand a person with no shame re: multiple bankruptcies.

A person who loves animals doesn't understand a person who torture them.

I don't understand the Belgians and their 'every street has two names' thing, but it's their country and they make some excellent chocolate...

10 Conservatives are not experienced in organizing protests. We should treat this tea party as a practice run and figure out what worked and what needs improvements for the real tea party July 4th. Look at how many people we got out in the middle of a work week on Fucking Tax Day and notice how the MSM tried to ignore, diminish and discredit them. July 4th falls on a Saturday.

A SATURDAY!!

Working will not be an excuse. We should easily have 10 times more people.

11 And as far as not wanting the GOP involved, that is crap.  You have to put someone on the ticket, and I would rather s/he have a (R) after their name.

K

12 Maybe Nips and Teabag Cooper should have their own show...on the spice channel.

13 1. someone posted the link to the FCC complaint form for obscenity. I urge you to find it and use it. I didn't see the "teabagging" reference on TV, so I can't legitmately use it, but many of you can. And yes, teabagging is an obscenity.

2. Instapundit had a very good point tonight that 100-1000 people aren't going to move Congress, but 100-1000 at a city council meeting is an earthquake. You OWN them. Pressure them to do the right thing at the local level, AND to make sure they are putting pressure on state and federal reps...

14 Right on, Kestrel.  The GOP is being handed a prime opportunity, between the MSM's blatant bias and Obama's various antics, to rise above all the bullshit and say to the American people "Yes.  We fucked up.  We admit it, we own it, and we are sorry.  You have shown us that we fell off the path, that we forgot who is really in charge of this country.  And we are going to do all that we can to make sure that we do not lose our way again, starting with demanding the transparency Obama and Pelosi promised in their campaigns, a halt to earmarks, and a repeal of the ridiculously wasteful spending at the expense of the next three generations."

Then comes the hard part: they have to actually DO all that, or at least do their level best.  With the Dems in the majority of both Houses and Obortion in the WH, all these bills that get passed must NOT have any Republican names associated with them.  That means grabbing Snow, McCain, Specter, Collins, and the rest of the Dem shills by the neck, giving them a good shake, and telling them to toe the fucking line or get out of the party.

15
When the media and the elites start overtly attacking the average American taxpayer for complaining about taxes, they have gone too far.

If there's one thing Americans -- all taxpaying Americans -- cherish is the freedom to exercise their displeasure with taxes. The Democrats and the media have given the GOP a huge opening with this huge insult on the American people.

16 Travis #2 nailed it. Lefties don't hold spontaneous protests. They are all organized and usually consist of the same smelly, ill-groomed and shod individuals. They always say the same things and hold up signs that look alike. In Chicago, 2003, I watched the buses pull up with the anti-war idiots onboard. The whole thing was organized by ANSWER, which is a U.S. front group for the International Communist Party.

These leftwing clowns spend so much energy emoting over meaningless stuff that they don't even have the gumption to actually do something serious, like take three hours or half a day off of work to go to a voluntary civic event.

Anyway, the Tea Parties are completely spontaneous and word-of-mouth. They're organized by Fox News? That's a riot. I don't watch television. I heard about the parties, like everyone does, not from central command, but from places like Instapundit, which in turn gathers them from all over the map. It's pretty damn easy to get the schedule off the Internet.

The RNC sure as hell isn't involved, either. First off, the Ron Paul nuts were all over the one yesterday in Chicago. Second, I don't think I saw so much as an elephant lapel pin in the crowd. These people are conservatives first, Republicans second (or in some cases, Libertarians, even Democrats).

Furthermore, I know for a fact that Michael Steele spoke in Chicago to a gathering literally across the street from the Tea Party and asked to speak at the event the next day. The request was.....DENIED!

These libtards don't need to have a clue, and I don't think will get one until about November 6, 2010, when the Mediacrats are run out Washington with pitchforks. Oh, uh, I mean rubber-tipped pitchforks, for those of you DHS monitors who are recording these posts.

P.S. The Gadsen "Don't Tread on Me" Flag is going to be the insignia of the movement. Get one and wave it proudly.

17 I won't jump in again until tomorrow morning, but Rush made a key point today. Right now, voting for a third party is handing a win to the other guy. We really don't have anywhere else to go. Better that we promote the closest thing we have to principled folks than fraction our forces- especially now.

18

The Famous Mo-Pissed Off Conservative at April 17, 2009 01:10 AM

As long as we got Steele handicapping us, we're not going anywhere. We've got to get him out of there and get a real conservative.  

19 This is one of your SANE lefty correspondents?

Apparently those two words ("sane" and "left") are now mutually exclusive.

20 And well put, Fresh Air.

21 17:  I made that point a few times over at Polipundit; the third party candidates, for the most part, are hoping to gain the angry conservative votes.  All the does is split the votes on our side, while the left with their one candidate sails right past us.

22 Jal: definitely.  Steele, while I personally thought he would do an excellent job, made too many gaffes too early on.  He's not going to climb out of that, and that is all he is focused on now.  Which means he's having to bend knee to the problem elements in the GOP.  He too needs to be reminded that he works for us, and he can be replaced at any moment.

23 The fact that they did spring up spontaneously, and that the participants have been so vilified in the press is enough to insure that they will continue to grow. you simply can not dismiss the concerns of millions and millions of people as if those sentiments do not matter. there will be an accounting on election day. period. the tactic of the left is to silence any and all opposition, not with free debate, but with derision (like whathername at cnn), ridicule, or whatever means necessary. ridicule is ONE of the many tactics recommended by saul alinsky in "rules for radicals," - tactics that obama is schooled in well. the problem with the republicans, and most right leaning people, is that they simply do not know how low the left will go in order to attain power. the media supports obama - without question, and as you can see from ms susan whatshername at cnn, it was fine when the kos kids were calling bush hitler every other day of the week...or when anti israeli protesters were carrying signs that said "death to the juice," but the minute someone criticizes the messiah - outrage! yeah...if the media keeps it up they will continue to grow... it may be time for a "day without tax payers" on may 1st. what if all the producers just took the day off? just a thought...

24 I won't jump in again until tomorrow morning, but Rush made a key point today. Right now, voting for a third party is handing a win to the other guy. We really don't have anywhere else to go. Better that we promote the closest thing we have to principled folks than fraction our forces- especially now.

Posted by: tmi3rd

I can understand the argument that the GOP would be slightly better than the Democrats, but I do wonder if the fools have what it takes to beat an entrenched Obama administration. So far they have been more interested in co-operation than opposition.

25 Look we all know that the GOP has a serious branding problem, and until we get a leader that applies "Snake Bite Cure Plan B" it will not go away.

K

26 like whathername at cnn

Susan Roesgen.  She used to anchor in Arkansas.  She was a complete friggin' retard back then, too.  Getting hired at the Commie News Network only fed her derangement.

27 11 And as far as not wanting the GOP involved, that is crap.  You have to put someone on the ticket, and I would rather s/he have a (R) after their name.

K

I agree. 99.9% of the teabaggers tea party participants support Republican ideals. We're just pissed off too many Republicans in office doesn't. It's time to assess our Senator or Representative and decide if they truly represent us. If they do, we'll let them run again. If they don't, we'll find someone who does. Churchill once said there is nothing like the gallows to focus one's mind. There is nothing like like a primary challenge to focus a politician's beliefs.

28 The only way to get the word out about the tea parties and protests is to talk to like minded friends, neighbors and co-workers, encouraging them to attend. Encourage them to see it with their own eyes and judge for themselves, rather than relying on the propaganda arm of the Obama Administration. Not everyone follows politics on the internet or radio. Many rely on the "evening news" as they have done their whole lives. They believe what they have been told by the MSM and don't have any idea of how badly they are being lied to. Don't tell them, show them, take them to a Tea Party and let them decide for themselves if the media coverage is accurate or not.

29
The Republicans in Congress have had some good, but albeit brief, moments of opposition in the past few weeks.

But the Democrats were relentless. From day 1, they hammered Bush & Cheney on a daily basis. The only thing that stopped the Democrats was 9/11, and that respite only lasted 3 days.

The Republicans have very good reasons to e holding press conferences every single day to express opposition to the radical agenda of the Democrats, but they don't. And they should.

30 Damn.  I was also at the one in Southlake, Texas.  Small world.

31 We had maybe 500-600 people at the tea party I went to, and obviously I didn't talk to all of them, but those I did talk to identified themselves as Rs, Ds, independents and libertarians, all over the political map.  It wasn't strictly a so-called 'GOP thing', no matter what PMSNBC/CNN/ABC/CBS may want people to believe. 

32 Kestrel, I have to disagree with you now.  The GOP doesn't have a branding problem.  It has a PULL YOUR FUCKING HEAD OUT OF YOUR ASS AND QUIT TRYING TO BE DEMOCRATS problem.  The GOP already has a brand.  It's called Conservatism, and they started losing elections when they abandoned it.

Were it not for the fact that the GOP (with lots of nudging from the MSM) chose one of the least Conservative candidates running for the bid as our nominee, I have little doubt we would have beaten Obama.  Thompson, Tancredo, Hunter, Guiliani, any of these four gentlemen would have beaten Obama like a rented mule.  If any of these gentlemen had chosen Sarah as their VP before the Dems resolved their nomination, it would have been an unbeatable combination, regardless of which Dem got their nod.

And yes, I purposefully left out a couple of candidates.  Ron Paul would never be considered a serious candidate.  Period.  The guy has so much goofy on him he made Perot seem stable.  And Huckabee...I lived in Arkansas while Huckabee was governor, don't even get me started of that fucking hack.  But even as much as I laugh at these two dinks, they are still more conservative than McCain.

33 xcellent opportunity for Palin to capitalise on, shift the focus that has been on her lately. this group was tailor made for her, this is her base and I can imagine most democrats in the group see her that way too.

just my 2 cents

34
Heh, I love Tancredo and Hunter, but a lot of the pussies here, yes here at AoS, wanted nothing to do with either Tancredo or Hunter.

And don't even get me started on how Romney was treated. It's no wonder McCain was able to easily backdoor himself into the nomination with how fickle and ignorant the GOP base is.

And yes, Huckabee with all his faults would have been a better candidate and president than Obama. I'm sure in 2012 we'll repeaet the whole thing again and nominate another douche like Hagel or Crist, though.

35 We seriously need to get that July 4th date firmed up, and NOW!  I would have been there yesterday except I had to work. Pissed me off but what do you do? I still have to pay my bills. Bravo to all that could make it.

36

 It has a PULL YOUR FUCKING HEAD OUT OF YOUR ASS AND QUIT TRYING TO BE DEMOCRATS problem.  The GOP already has a brand.  It's called Conservatism, and they started losing elections when they abandoned it.

Standing ovation.

 

37 I made that point a few times over at Polipundit; the third party candidates, for the most part, are hoping to gain the angry conservative votes.  All the does is split the votes on our side, while the left with their one candidate sails right past us.

Yesterday, we had a lonely representative of the Libertarian Party set up a card table late in the day to get people to register as Libertarians.  He tried to snag me as I was heading out but I informed him that I was already registered to vote as a Republican, a switch I finally made just prior to the most recent primaries after years of being a NOP (No Party Affiliation).

When he further persisted in his efforts to get me to at least switch my registration if only as a temporary measure to help him out I declined and I explained why. 

I have in fact voted for a number of Libertarian candidates over the years, sometimes because I preferred them to the other choices in a particular race or at the very least as my way of saying "Oh Hell No! & Not YOU either jackass!".  This last election as I was doing my homework in preparation for a rather longish ballot and wanted to get some more information about 3 or 4 particular Libertarian candidates for local offices.  After Googling around and picking up some mentions from the local papers here or there I decided to visit the web page of the Party at the State and County Levels.

The dearth of information about current candidates was astounding.  The inaccurate, dated and generally useless information that was on the various "official" sites I tried to research did tell me something however.

It told me, loud and clear, that YOU GUYS ARE NOT FUCKING SERIOUS!


Sorry, man.  I'm sure it must be a lot of fun to shoot the shit over a plate of beef and beans now and then but I got some real worries to attend to in the here and now.  Wish me luck.  I'm going to try to do my damndest to help find an effective way to undo some of the damage.  Hey, if the flat-out marxists can take over the party that elected JFK, no reason to give up on the party of Reagan just yet.  If not, I promise to try and smuggle some food into the camps for you.  I mean, you sound like you mean well and all.

38 Great Satan's Ghost--

What you need to do is contact your local Tea Party organizers and VOLUNTEER to help them. That is how you ensure the July 4 event comes off well. Same goes for everyone else on this board. If you've got time, go volunteer. I doubt much is required, but these things don't just happen. And donating a little bit of money to cover the cost of the stage, rented equipment, etc. would, I am sure, be appreciated.

You say there's no Tea Party in your area? Promote your damn self to Chief Effing Organizer, grab a web page and send the damn link to Glenn Reynolds. If Zero can be an organizer any of the morons on this board can, too.

At least I think so.

39 Well, I may be in the minority. Being a Libertarian makes me used to that lol.

But I say that we should EMBRACE TEABAGGING!!

Mainly to take the joke away from the left, and to say, yeah, OK, we have been F'd long enough by the government, but now its time for us to give it back!

So whats really wrong with turning the tables on them??

40 Well, I suppose it is better to be the "Teabagger" as opposed to the "Teabagee"

41 Well, I suppose it is better to be the "Teabagger" as opposed to the "Teabagee"

Beg to differ. 

I find that I much prefer the latter to the former although I admit that it is an acquired taste, often overlooked by the less "sophisticated". IYKWIMAITYD

42 What I think works best to the ID4 party is to low key it while the short attention span left finds a new horse to stalk. Low key but steady until mid June, then get the word together.

The DemSM likes to say we have no "leader", so this will fizzle out. That's the fuehrerprinzip of the Left, they must have leaders and they must have sheep.

Not having a standout "leader" frustrates the DemSM to no end, as it gives them no flesh and blood spokesperson to bring on the tube, a la Joe the Plumber. Their Alinksy Rules training tell them they must have a central singular target to "freeze it, personalize it, polarize it". A central leader would give them someone to dig the dirt on and bring to the public, a la Joe the Plumber.

Let's keep it as a loose confederation, it drives them batshit

43 Let's keep it as a loose confederation, it drives them batshit


Posted by: kbdabear

It also forces them to mock average people which only does damage to them.

44 Here's how we claim tea-bagging as our own:

LIBERAL FUCKTARD:  Hur hur hur.  You guys are into tea bagging!

US:  Why yes.  Yes we are.  Open wide.

45 The belief on the Left is that this was a centrally coordinated and executed set of protests from Right Wing Central.
Now, look, maybe I'm naive. Maybe there is something nefarious at play here, but I strongly doubt it. The belief exists that Fox, Clear Channel, Diebold, and so forth, paid for all of these people to show up. The usual and predictable hateful class warfare remarks- "it's all rich people who don't want to pay taxes", "it's all anti-government", "it's a white power party", and so forth- have been tossed about

What I don't get is why so many on the right wish to disabuse the KosKidz of their juvenile notions.  Think less like Frank Luntz and more like Sun-Tzu

46 Just as (I believe it was AP over at Hot Air): Financial Responsibility is the new counter-culture- why not let the tea parties be the "new Woodstock".

'Cept of course with adequate refreshments, toilets, and better quality LSD throughout.

47

It is called projection. They know what they would do.

 

Actually they have been doing this for decades. There are very few real grassroots efforts among the commies. That is why they want to say the tea party thing was organized.

48 I have listened to Rush off and on since 1988. He has been making the "Republicans are the only option" argument that whole time. I am not sure he is right this time. It is a mistake to think that things will always go in the same cycles.

I believe we are in a dangerous time. The average person has lost or is losing faith in the institutions of our culture (church, government banks...). The Republican party has dismissed the rank and file conservative as a yahoos and now wants to make up?

I feel a paradigm shift is occurring and we are not able to see around the corner, so to speak. Other people sense this to. Which is how I explain Glen Beck. He is a weird mix of a shameless showman and Mr. Smith goes to Washington. He is also incredibly astute about the zeitghiest of the American politic.

I don't want the Republicans to mimic my ideas. They can go to hell. I want men who believe in the conservative cause. I voted in 1980 for R.W.R. and have voted Republican ever since. Reagan I believed. Since then we have career politicians who use Reagan like a "Weekend at Bernies."

What we need I have yet to see.

49 Tea Party. Tea Bagging. Meh.

Did you have any giant puppets!?!?!

Silly Rethuglicans, it's not a real protest until you have GIANT PUPPETS!

Amateurs....

50

Huckabee on Fox this morning discussing the “torture” memos and the call by Dem committee chairmen for “independent counsel investigation”.  His comment was the standard bullshit statement that “BOTH Republicans and Democrats do this and it needs to stop”.  This just illustrates what a liberal fuck-stick he is.

 

I challenge anyone to go back and find Clinton officials who were “investigated and prosecuted” by Republicans after Bush won. I challenge anyone to find Carter officials who were investigated and prosecuted.

 

There should have been some investigations and prosecutions but it did not happen.

 

Bottom line, NO THEY BOTH DON’T DO THIS. This is a Commiecrat function only.

51 'Cigarette Men' never have to lead or support any 'movement.'. All you need to do is to whisper the right words in just the right ears at just the right time.

If the left can see past their own arrogance, they'll have Moveon.org and ACORN and others prepared to offer 'counter-protests' in July. If they happen to do so, they will be provocative and will try to initiate violence against their opponents. Their narrative will be about the response of the right, not about their own guilt in attacking their peacefully demonstrating fellow citizens.

However, this should backfire on them, but only if most of the T.E.A. party protesters have cell phone cameras and other recording devices capturing the action at every turn, and then, immediately uploading those recordings to the internet for all the world to see.

52

First of all, forget about what "they" would do.  We all know what they are going to do, what they are to say, even before they do it.

That is to our advantage if we choose to use it.  Like what Patton said (George C. Scott) in North Africa, "Rommel you magnificent bastard,  I read your book," he then went on to kick his ass.

I helped to organize two of these events.  The first at noon, in the small town that I live in and a second later in the day in Knoxville, where we had 4 to 5 thousand show up.  The newpaper put the number at 1,700 which all the local talk shows were mocking the next day.  ACORN paid us a visit with about a dozen people, the paper put their numbers at well over 100.  That's just how Pravda works, we're not going to change that.

What can we do?  This is what we're doing.  The organizers are meeting again in a couple of weeks to discuss just that.  Fourth of July is on the table for sure as well as another national day this fall.  They will happen.  But I know some of us don't want to wait until the 4th so we will probably be holding another event in May.

I can tell you, the next events are going to be focused much more on specific issues and how they can be resolved.  Including how to vet true conservative candidates, winning primaries, and how to get them elected in the general elections.  This is the time to do that, before the next primary season begins.

As far as I'm concerned, we have to make sure both parties hear us as a voting block to be reckoned with.  The republicans, so they stop offering us these socialist-lite candidates (this means we have to be involved with the republican party).  The democrats just to keep them off balance.  We saw how they reacted this week, they've been stepping all over their crank trying to counter the message of the tea parties.  The DHS report, the so-obvious biased reporting of the LSM, and here in my home state, our state representative introduced a bill in the legislature that would make it a criminal offense to say or write anything that is critical of an elected official to public office.  This is a dem that supposedly is unbeatable.  Now he has offered us the club for his own demise and we are going to beat him with it like he were a baby seal.

Our message is a message America wants to hear.  I'm amazed at the number of democrats that turned out.  I wasn't on-stage, I was one of the dozen or so organizers that was working the a donation bucket (we had more than $1,000 of out-of-pocket expenses for renting the fair grounds, flying in the head of the Oath Keepers to speak, etc) helping with information in the crowd, and security.  It was great.  I was everywhere, talking with everyone I ran into.

The anger is real, screw the narrative of the left.  There are that 20-40% of voters who are in the middle, probably don't pay close attention, you know the ones.  Those too are the people we have to reach.  We will by having more events.  The message of the two sides in this debate are as clearly distinct as night and day.  We the People are just now beginning to make our case.  Intuitively, instinctively, We the People know what is right.

53

There are that 20-40% of voters who are in the middle, probably don't pay close attention, you know the ones.

 

Personally I don’t think there has EVER been that many people in the middle. There may be that many “independents but if you grab one at random and d0 a scratch and sniff test you’ll find that in the last 3 elections he voted consistently for one party. I think the actual flip-flop voter is actually very small. That is why elections are ALWAYS very close except when one side fields a shit candidate and a large number their normal voters stay at home.

 

I think pursuit of that mythical “middle and moderate” voter is what has killed the Re4publican Party and we need to quit doing it.

 

BTW, I am one of those “independents” and I have NEVER voted for a Dem.

54

If we were getting paid for protests I'm still waiting for a check. I figure it cost me about $30 after taxes for me to attend because I took time off from work to be there.

BTW, I haven't listened to 30 minutes of talk radio in the last 10 years.

55 P.S. The Gadsen "Don't Tread on Me" Flag is going to be the insignia of the movement. Get one and wave it proudly.

Yes, please do.  It makes our job so much easier.

56

Locus (and others) I hear what your saying about the repubs and using Reagan like a Weekend at Bernie's (that was good). 

That is my idea about the primaries.  I know we have had some good candidates in the primaries (I'm talking about our state level) but they don't win, so we're stuck voting for the, what'd you call em - stickwads they offer up.

This is what I'm talking about when I say we need to vet the candidates and get them through the primaries.  It's a lot of work, but it is us that will have to get involved if we are to change this or else we will only get more of the same.

I can tell you, there was no one I worked with organizing this event that had ever done anything like this before.  We truly were flying by the seat of our pants.  Now that we have made this first step, the next event will be easier to organize which will allow us time to focus on our message, whatever that message is to be.

Vetting these candidates for office is one of the goals I want to accomplish.  I haven't discussed this yet my other organizers, but I will be at our next meeting.  I'm not saying that is what the next tea party will be about either - it won't be. 

But the question put forth in the post is; How we continue the momentum through the elections? 

This is one way of doing that.  We'll call them the Tea Party Debates.  Put these candidates for office on a stage in front of a townhall of Tea Party Voters and let us grill them about what they plan to do.

57 @ 55 - Janet, is that you?

58 All right Vic, that 20-40% may not in the middle, but they ain't paying attention either!

59

I don’t think “vetting” the candidates is a problem. If you look at the past primary and the candidates everyone pretty much knew what they were about except for the “debate” surrounding Huckabee and Romney. Conservatives already knew McLame was an asshole and did not support him. His core support group was in old retired military who moved to the sun belt and squish liberal Republicans. Romeny was also a liberal Republican based on his past history. He had “changed his tune” for the election but he was still suspect. The media tried to hype it as “religious intolerance, but that was bullshit for the most part. In that same vein as a North East liberal was RINO Rudy the gun grabber. As it turned out due to campaigning that was even more stupid than McLame he was never a factor. Fred was the primary choice of the conservatives but the “Fire In The Belly” media trashed him relentlessly and Republicans bought into it. Many of them on here. The rest of the candidates never had the potential to make an impact because they did not have a following of large enough numbers. Ron Paul had some good ideas but his stupid foreign policy and whack-job followers doomed him.

 

Nope, what gave us what we wound up with is insane primary rules that allowed non-party members to vote AND allowed the winner to be determined by less than a plurality. McLame never got votes higher than the low 30% range until the race was all but over. We should NEVER go into an election with a candidate who 70% of the party does not support.

 

That is what we have to change. The primary rules AND corrupt local party bosses who do things to “fix” the primary.

60 The focus has to be on fiscal policy.  Ask Obama's fanboys how they can look at that hairy ass and see love.

Beat that theme like a drum.  Or baby harp seal...whichever you prefer.

61

One other thing that we, as conservatives, can do is quit trying to “second guess” who can win the national election. Remember the squishies hawking McLame?  Their hark and cry was that he could take some of those States in the liberal NE while maintaining the solid block in the South and Mid-West. He was “electable” whereas Fred was not.

 

What we wound up with was losing States in the South and Mid-West and gaining NOTHING in the NE. It was the major FAIL. But, based on what I see from the National Party they have still not learned their lesson. If McLame had not brought in Palin we probably would have lost most of the South and it would have been a lot more lopsided.

 

Lesson: Conservatives pick a conservative candidate at the start and ALL get behind him. Now that is something maybe the Tea Party can do.

62

The mainstream media wouldn’t do it. So we are trying to get your important messages to the American people. This post is a suggested read at, http://aresay.blogspot.com/ 6

63

Two words:  Candidate school. 

Every speaker ought to be reminded to admonish the audience to run for office, and it ought to be part and parcel of every event that there is a candidate school, the appropriate paperwork to declare, and there, bam, you have 2/3rds of what you need to run.

There ought to be signups for classes, immediately following the rally, on how to run and how to win.  Two hours, tops.

And damn if there aren't a number of peopoe there who can sign your papers to get on the ballot, give you $5 to buy signs, and so forth...

it's almost like it's an event built to put better people in local office.

Best regards

64 Choose locations that are near the places people are going on the fourth.  Fireworks shows, lakes, parks etc.  The media still wants to pretend these things don't exist, so the fourth is the perfect time to step around the media smokescreen and get the news directly to teh people.
Also, there are plenty of planned public gatherings already on the slate.
Some tea party themed parade floats, tshirts, and such would be a big help.  A significant amount signage at and around the fireworks shows would be a huge boost in visibility at a time that people are most predisposed to agree with your point.

65 So, if the tea party participants side with our founding fathers and uphold the Counstitution, which are they......morons or diabolical fascists?

66 Eric:

My drum IS a baby harp seal (now alive though.  they sound like crap unless you hollow them out.)

67 So, if the tea party participants side with our founding fathers and uphold the Counstitution, which are they......morons or diabolical fascists?

Posted by: Judith at April 17, 2009 06:43 AM (w6P9N)

According to CNN, they're diabolical fascistic morons.

68 @ 55 - Janet, is that you?

Who?  Do you mean Janet Reno?  If so: no, but we certainly dig her style.

Oh, also: it probably goes without saying, but you're all on "the list."

69
Memorial Day is the obvious choice for an event between now and July 4.

But we have to keep up the momentum. Next April 15, two things happen:

First, millions of people will have discovered, to their dismay, that the $400 they thought was a tax cut was in fact a tax deferral. They will have just written checks to Uncle Sam, some perhaps for the first time. And they will be pissed, both at having to pay and at Obama's bait-and-switch.

Second, the Bush tax cuts expire. Which means not only greatly higher tax rates for "the rich", but also returning to the tax rolls millions of people who had been stricken from the rolls by the Bush cuts. Now, it may be that between then and now, Congress will rewrite the tax laws to make them "fairer" - i.e., to make them even more top-heavy than they are now - but they will have to overcome Obama's habitual lethargy and his habit of sliding away from controversy. So millions of people, many of them working poor, will see a chunk taken out of their paychecks, and they're not going to like it one little bit.

Third, while the tea parties have been emphasizing taxes, we have to talk about the colossally irresponsible deficits - which must, inevitably, lead to soaring taxes. The problem, I think, is not that taxation is too high (though it is), but that spending is absolutely out of control. If I complain that my taxes are too high, I can be framed as a greedy jerk. If I complain that your taxes are being wasted on idiocies like street beautification in wealthy Chicago suburbs, then I've got your attention.

So, whatever we do, we have to aim for April 15, 2010. That will carry us into the elections, pledging to vote for anyone who will take a Sane Spending pledge.

70

whatever we do, we must keep the pressure on the idjits in Congress.  keep calling, writing & emailing.

and i'm game for any kind of "tea party". sorry, i live in a small county (10,000 people) & my town only has 1,200.  but i will help in any way.

71 Like the followers of Ghandi used to say:

"First they ignore you, then they mock you, then they fight you, then you win"

They ignored us in February, now we are being mocked. The rallies being planned for July 4th, I am guessing is when they fight. Infiltrate, protest our protest and perhaps even get violent.

72 I guess I'm just worried that even though the next Tea Party falls on Fourth of July -- a Saturday -- that too many people will be spending the day with family, barbecuing, or going on vacation. Am I wrong to be nervous about that?

73 "My question to you, morons, is how we continue the momentum through the elections? I've heard rumors of another Tea Party on the 4th of July... will this sort of thing be enough to draw principled folks to participate, either by joining political runs or making their own? And, above all, how do we make for damn sure that the nation sees these protests for what they are- professional, productive people voicing their displeasure in a non-destructive, friendly fashion?

Fire away!

Posted by: Open Blog at 11:55 PM " ======================================================= Those of us who attended the parties have started working on other projects.  For example, there is another one planned in Cleveland on April 25.  And many of the smaller city groups have orgnaized.  Here's a great example from Ohio... http://912ohpa.ning.com/   Do what this group did, start a web site, have meetings, set goals...whther local or national.  We can do this but it will take some work. 

74

As long as the left keeps believing their own bullshit, they won't see the tsunami coming.

Purple Avenger

That's right. We're not in this to impress the MSM or the White House. Just as our Founding Fathers were not in it to impress the London papers or King George.

A force is building, fellow Americans. We get to watch it, and to shape it to some extent. I'm not sure what my part is supposed to be, but until I figure that out, I'm going to contribute whatever I can in time and treasure.

75 I think my lefty friends reactions to the Tea Parties is pretty crazy, but I undertand.  I try to get them to add right of center reading to their lists.  They usually pay lip service to the idea.  They read the NY Times.  It's the only paper they read.  Most have read "What's the Matter with Kansas" for their views on the GOP.  I read the sources they provide to me and offer my view.  I have a hard time getting them to read my sources.  When I do get to them to read my sources they end up opining that they don't see much value in property rights at all.

I don't think the Tea Parties are about a third party at all.  They are about putting bodies to a silent voice that either party can try to court if it so pleases.  That's the GOP more than it is the Democrats merely by way of the Democrats have the power so why they hell would they risk splitting their majority by courting Americans diametrically opposed to their present course.

This is the GOPs chance to pickup the Tea Party attendees or else it risks them losing them for a long long time.

For example, say the Tea Parties adopt a few more issues in the center.  What if the tea parties co-opt same sex marriage supporters?  What if civil rights, lower spending, lower taxes, and term limits become the themes?

With unemployment heading towards 10 percent there is the real possibility that a whole lot of people that aren't working start finding sustainibility as a means through ORGANIZED ACTIVISM.  This won't be knew.  The Teddy Roosevelt progressives had most of their platform wrong at the turn of the century.  They were right that Americans didn't like their government, but they were wrong in how they executed their mission.  Americans eventually soured on them and turned back to the GOP and the Democratic party.  The nation elected GOP presidents for all the terms between Wilson and FDR.  They were good growth periods, but they lacked the will to use regulation to preserve the free market and opted not to challenge monied interests for fear of disrupting growth.

Beyond this, the tea party supporters have just about every trend in their favor.  Education performance is down.  Corporations complain that they NEED to import workers to fill high skilled jobs.  Merit pay support is at an all time high.  We have fucking pirate concerns with our trade.  Our President is adopting Mexico's talking points as his own on firearms.

This President digs two holes, fills in none, and then digs two more.  He's borrowing like crazy to keep his caucus together.  Without the spending pledges he risks losing government workers.  If he cannot keep organized labor in check he's finished.  Remember, organized labor is still expecting to get Card Check and changes to free trade treaties.  The Stimulus won't be able to be spent if he loses labor.

76 "we're not in this to impress the MSM". While I agree with you to some extent, Avogadra, it is the MSM who we ultimately need to befriend to get our voices heard in the right way. Speaking as a publicist, I know what I'm talking about. I may not like most reporters and the producers who run the new shows, but I need them. If we can get these people on our side then it's all over for the Left, baby.

77 I guess I'm just worried that even though the next Tea Party falls on Fourth of July -- a Saturday -- that too many people will be spending the day with family, barbecuing, or going on vacation. Am I wrong to be nervous about that?

Yes.  Here's the rub.  In a place like Chicago, July 4th is right at the end of the Tast of Chicago event in downtown area.  It will place about 400,000 people already in an area where they won't be too far to travel to a demonstration.  They'll have their fill.  They'll even have a little bit of their drink.  Will the economic picture still look the same three months from now?  It's expected to get worse as the phony stress tests are publicized and the banks continue ask the Treasury to streamline loan repayment and get turned away.  We're on the brink of reaching a tipping point where 250,000 low estimates could turn into a few million.

People are out of work.  They are looking for work.  Businesses are closing because the opportunity to MAKE MONEY is slowly slipping away.  The President has told most of the job creating Americans that their taxes are going up.  He thinks they are rich.  They are.  But they are rich because of the number of Americans they depend on to provide their skilled labor to turn a profit for the company.

The nations largest real estate retailer just filed for bankruptcy.  What happens if malls start to close?  Commercial real estate is at historic lows.  Sam Zell, a guy that built his fortune on Commercial Real Estate, is now a newspaper owner.  For real.  A billionaire a year ago is now watching his fortune disappear in order to herd liberals and progressives at newspapers.  lol.

78

they end up opining that they don't see much value in property rights at

 

If that is their attitude then there is no help for them. They should be abandoned. They deserve to be peons lorded over by their apparatchiks. It’s too bad they want to take us with them.

79

While I agree with you to some extent, Avogadra, it is the MSM who we ultimately need to befriend to get our voices heard in the right way

 

We will NEVER get a fair hearing in the MSM. It will be up to our speakers to get the message out DESPITE them.

80

"My question to you, morons, is how we continue the momentum through the elections?"

No problemo.  The ecomony ISN'T going to get better and a lot of people, Conservative and Progressives alike, will be unemployed and have the free time and motivation to show up for future Tea Parties.

81 "is how we continue the momentum through the elections?"

1) Remain bottom up. This is the strength of the liberty loving right (or liberty lovers, period, really).

2) In support of that, link to other blogs. In particular, link to blog that aren't on most peoples standard reading list. That generates a quality discourse.

I don't know if the 4th of July thing will fly. I do know that if we maintain a strong and healthy discourse, the we will continue to see emergent solutions like the Tea Parties, which are difficult to counter-attack.

82

Sassypants, That's a concern, but I think the thing about family - there is no reason for the family to stay home all day.  This is a great time for families to bring their children to an event that will teach them a valuable civics lesson - and have a great time doing it.

We can organize the event around that.  A reading of the Declaration of Independence for instance, maybe even some reenactments of events from that historic time period.

I'm thinking a Memorial Day event would be good too, honoring our fallen soldiers.  We had an amazing number of vets at our event.  I know we have mentioned that a little and we (my co-organizers) will probably push that harder in the coming days.  Right now we have to catch our breath, there was a lot of behind the scenes work that went into pulling this off.

83

The left is badly underestimating the anger and the motivation of this movement.  I went to the Tea Party on the Boston Common the other day, granted not a huge sacrifice, it's right around the corner, but I'm not your average paper mache head wearing person and neither were the other hundreds of people attending this event.  This wasn't a creation of Fox News and nobody was being paid to be there.

People are genuinely pissed off at what is happening in our country and the anger is building.  The more the left tries to dismiss this as if it was one of their own manufactured outrage event complete with Al Gore or one of the other dozen or so professional protesters, the more the anger will build.

I would encourage anyone who wasn't able to attend a rally to attend one the next time and see for yourself how strong this feeling really is.  It's not going away.

84 I guess I'm just worried that even though the next Tea Party falls on Fourth of July -- a Saturday -- that too many people will be spending the day with family, barbecuing, or going on vacation. Am I wrong to be nervous about that?

Posted by: Sassypants at April 17, 2009 07:20 AM (RXwe1)

I think we could still make the best of this.  I suspect that there will be some on the Friday before as well as Saturday.  And like WTF Capt. Inv. said all of these big gatherings are perfect places to show up in mass with your signs and flags.  I also think that for all of the people on vacation you can counter that with all of the people who had to work and could not make it.

Try to imagine the kind of turn out we would have had if everyone that wanted to go was able to - boggles the mind.

85

Off to work for now, but just some thoughts..

.Geez guys, get organized, publicize, and get the best headliners to speak and perform on July 4th and people will come.  Look at Atlanta, San Anotnio, Sacramento, etc.  It's not that hard...Obama and the Left proved it.  By the way, is there some kind of National Concert in DC on the 4th?  Might be a problem or a blessing? 

86 Having a tea party on the 4th of July will alienate the tea party base: the drunken river floating crowd. Trust me.

87 We're between a rock and a hard place. The Vanity Fair editor James Wolcott claimed there was no 'rage' in the protests and they weren't covered by the big news outlets even when, to her credit, the CSPAN anchor showed him front page after front page coverage by smaller newspapers. It's not passionate in the left's(or media's) eyes unless people are burning and rioting. If we break out the torches and the pitchforks and riot like its 1999, we'll be painted as those scary 'right wing extremists' but if we continue to just hold signs and gather by the hundreds of thousands we'll simply be ignored by the major media outlets.

I personally lean towards the category of torches and pitchforks, tar and feathers, and spilling blood. Starting with CNN reporters would be a good start.

88

Somebody in another thread said that, if we try a repeat of the 4/15 Tea Parties, the other side will be ready. They'll have their groups (ACORN, et al) prepared and mobilized with counter demonstrations -- or worse. I agree.

What if we change the message a bit? As 7/4 is a Saturday, have folks announce their taxes for the previous week? With some easy calculations -- paycheck withholdings (or 1/2 of these if you get paid biweekly); 1/13th of your last quarterly income tax payments; 3/13ths of the taxes from our monthly utility bills; 1/52nd of your yearly property taxes; and the sum of actual sales tax on groceries, gasoline and stuff -- we can include everything.

A sign could read: "My family's taxes this week: $862.54!"

(Just what-ifing in the spirit of throwing an idea to the crowd's widsom.)

89

And hold it outside the various studios and affiliates of these so-called news organizations.

Posted by: The Famous Mo-Pissed Off Conservative at April 17, 2009 01:01 AM (lb7J0)

That's a great idea. Before we wake up the politicians, we have to frighten the media. What if thousands of people were standing outside CNN headquarters next time, instead of in front of state capitals.

90 Where the hell is my VRWC check?!

91 Charles over at LGF thinks the whole Tea Party movement is a plot started by the Paulians.  The guy has gone completely over the edge.  He and the reporter-ette could be the same person for all of the difference there is in their opinions.

But his derangement is indicative of how the entire leadership of the Republican party and of the opinion leaders on the right has lost the thread.  George Will is running around talking about how bad it is for grown men to wear blue jeans while we have a Marxist dismantling everything the Republic stands for sitting in the White House.  There is no sense of urgency and there are no priorities being set.

On the other hand I don't think it matters anymore.  So many people have been taken off the tax rolls and put on the dole that there will always be a majority with no skin in the game... and if there is not there will be enough foreign citizens and dead people to make up the difference.  Greedy bastards those Zombies are.  Things won't change until it all comes crashing down.

92 I don't think the tea parties will affect the government or our representatives, because I no longer believe they care. They aren't listening. What I do hope they can accomplish is to convince some in attendance that they can be leaders, they can run for office and throw out the entrenched special interests, and take back the system by changing it from within. There must be thousands of people out there like Sarah Palin who want to change things at the local level and have the talent to move up the ladder. And not just by running for office; change is needed in the corporate world as well.

93 This dumb cunt Ill. Rep. Jan Schakowsky called the tea parties despicable. This coming from a bitch whose husband was indicted for bank fraud she was deep in it too but of course got off.

94 While the left snickers and feigns blushed cheeks at their own massively clever wit and while they  engage in their publicly fantasies about finally having finally found a way in which to productively employ their mouths in teabagging, we, the radical and the violent, will continue with our tea parties.  Crumpets anyone?

95 The vacation thing on the Fourth isn't necessarily a negative either.  Unless you're camping in the mountains, if there is an event near wherever you are you can still attend.  I thought that was one of the best parts about this last event, talking with all the people I met that I didn't even know that morning.  They all have an interesting story and they all have legitimate complaints and an anger that is just as real, just as intense as yours or mine.  Channeling that anger into something positive is a very good feeling indeed.

96

Tea Parties prove that a good portion of Americans don't want to repeal Reagan.

Realistically, because the GOP numbers in Congress mean that there is little that can be done to stop the Pelosi spending orgy, tea party efforts ought to be concentrated in blue and purple districts with (D) or RINO squish representatives. Peel off enough defecters to the Democrat engorgement of government and you might, just might stop them.

All efforts should be directed at pushing the fiscal hawk agenda in local, state and federal elections. Election Day, 2010 ought to be the penultimate tea party.

97 Ben Franklin was many things but a defeatist he was not.

98 I think that any lefty Politician, Journalist or commentator that makes lame jokes about tea bagging should be publicly pelted with soggy teabags. Now that's a tea bagging you can believe in.

99 WTF--

Just FYI, Zell sold his real estate holdings about four years ago for IIRC $21 billion. His investment in Tribune Co. is roughly $350 million. Don't worry about Sam going hungry. The "reporters" on the the other hand.......

100 I was thinking about counter arguments to all the progressives dismissing the tea parties.

Taxed enough already was turned into the following...

Taxes are good because
1) they pay for fire, police, and emergency rooms
2) they pay for the military
3) they pay for education

Fine.  Not that it's very good on the education part, but let's run with the motivation.

We need a dollar index.  For every dollar you send to Washington, for every dollar you send to your state capitol, for every dollar you send to your local government, how do THEY spend it?

Federal 100 cents
11 cents to servicing interest on the debt
51 cents to the military
10 cents to social security
20 cents to medicare and medicaid
8 cents discretionary
? cents on everything else that exceeds the fiscal limits of 100 cents

State?  Local?  It's probably worse.

The two key components to making the tea party success into a real movement is reading and math.  So do it.

Organize the agenda as a push to force elected officials to read every bill in committee, in each chamber, in conference, and before each vote.

101

One of the reasons we got our ass kicked this fall was lack of planning.  "The One" and Soros spent millions of dollars on the ground registering people real and not so real, and  collecting addresses, email and snail mail. 

We need to plan, now and build our lists. 

"The One" is STILL running for office.  He is on TV everyday.  Like all socialists, he knows power abhors a vacuum.  He is flooding the gate to drown out other voices, that is why the Tea Parties are being ignored by the MSM, it takes away  for "The One's" time.

I think the fact that they are amateurish is driving the left nuts.  They believe in an invisible hand to lead these things, because on the left there usually IS an invisible hand, a union, a front group, read ACORN, even government employees.  The left only knows how they do it, and they think we are just as tricky  as they are.

Wish we were.

Kemp

102

re: YIKES! "I'm for a July 4th rally."

I thought there were plans for a 14 June Flag Day Tea party.

103

81 "is how we continue the momentum through the elections?"

1) Remain bottom up. This is the strength of the liberty loving right (or liberty lovers, period, really).

Hey, I tried that bottom up shit in 1964 when I worked for Goldwater.  That shit didn't work too well then, but we did get Reagan out of it.

Let's try Soro's model, spend millions of dollars and do it professionally.  They are, why do we have to be half assed about it?

Kemp

104 What the Tea Parties need is a coherent, easily stated cause.

105 Would it be a good thing if Sarah Palin spoke at a July 4th tea party, somewhere, maybe in NYC or DC?

106

105 Would it be a good thing if Sarah Palin spoke at a July 4th tea party, somewhere, maybe in NYC or DC?

I don't think so, I think  she's a little over exposed. 

SC Governor? TX Governor? LA Governor?  All of them?

Kemp

107

We were all in a terrific mood because it felt so wonderful to be actually DOING something about this, and that we were not alone.

108 All of this organizing will be useless if all you do is protest.

You want the Republican Party to get its head out of its ass?

Here is a clue ... there is no one object named "Republican Party". There are a bunch of precinct committee persons who support local and national candidates, do the electioneering legwork, and are the people the candidates are really beholden to.

If each protest group organized a local Republican Party takeover at the precinct level, you might just be able to get some actual conservatives onto the ballot.

109 Janet Napolitano was right. There were hatemongers at the Tea Party rallies on Tax Day. They called themselves “reporters.”

110 I've reading through the post about the next on the 4th of July, I think that's too late for one thing.  How about May day .. isn't that the socialist celebration?    Let's twist it. 

Anyone else think that would be perfectly IRONIC?

111 "Again, the Left can't or won't believe that this popped up spontaneously."

Probably because the reactionary left never has spontaneity, everything has to be be controlled.

Think "May Day Parade" or "Leni Riefenstahl".

112 I will believe the GOP is listening when the get a spine!  As far as I'm concerned I'd rather their ilk not be associated with the Tea Party movement.  Cornyn (speaking as chairman of the NRSC) is backing Specter over Toomey.  Blatant snub of conservatives.  Call the NRSC!!  (202) 675-6000

113

I think the Left is half-scared and half-bewildered by the Tea Parties.

Conservatives haven't protested in this country since the original Tea Party back in what, 1773?  By that point, most of Americans in favor of diplomacy, not revolution, to patch up the British/American grievances had abandoned talking and were moving to the pitched-battle idea (notably, John Adams, a long time reluctant revolutionary, was coming around). When the British lost guys like Adams, the revolution was all but set in stone.

Since then, however, protest has been dominated by the left wing, and highly organized in many cases. The few right wing-esqu protests have been single issue, and largely powerless--Right to Lifers (I should know, I am one of them) and, following every major war, veterans marching for better benefits (which almost never happens, unfortunately).

The fact that a large, multi-headed group of conservatives have a large grievance against Obama scares them, because they have no frame of reference. Hence the best they can do right now is mock them, because, gosh, they can't *actually* be real, because all protesters are lefties!

It also makes their wittle heads explode. Since Obama/far leftism is now a religion to the left---a religion that must be imposed upon society---anyone dissenting is committing unspeakable blasphemy, and, like any new religious member, they literally cannot see why everyone isn't a leftist. He is, to them, The Messiah. They have bought into the cult, why can't you drink the kool-aid?

Dissent is dangerous to any cultist. The fact that there is massive dissent scares them that their cult is wrong. And any cultist who feels so threatened will react in only 2 ways: outright attacks (CNN reporter) and mocking derision.

If the Tea Parties gain momentum, the mocking will turn more into venomous assaults and counter-protests. Right now they feel safe in derision. We shouldn't let them be.

114 I think it would be awesome if we could get Conservative Republicans and Blue Dog Democrats to join a new party called the TEA Party ( I saw one sign that showed that T.E.A. stands for Taxed Enough Already ) The party would have a pure "Fiscal Conservative, Strong National Defense" platform that allows for both sides of the Social Con/Lib debate. In fact, one bylaw of the party would be to take no stand on social issues that do not impact one of the two main planks. Then we could leave all the earmark Republicans to their dying political careers and the Socialist Democrats to their urban constituencies. I would change my party affiliation to TEA Party in a hearbeat!

115 I guess I'm just worried that even though the next Tea Party falls on Fourth of July -- a Saturday -- that too many people will be spending the day with family, barbecuing, or going on vacation. Am I wrong to be nervous about that?

Posted by: Sassypants at April 17, 2009 07:20 AM (RXwe1)

Do you know what's better than barbecuing with your family on July 4? Barbecuing with your family and a thousand friends on July 4. And do you know what tastes great barbecued?

Pork.

116

Let's no0t go overboard with expectations on these so-called blue dog Democraps. They have voted right along with Nanny Nan the SF Treat in all major bills. They are liberal as theday is long and we don't need them.

Thatis the problem we have now with the Republican Party. Too many Democraps.

117 If you sneak up on a sleeping bear hibernating in his cave and start poking him with a sharp stick, Just WHAT THE FUCK DO THINK IS GOING TO HAPPEN? Me thinks the they started to find out on April 15th.

118 Signs at these events right in front of the cameras:

Better a Teabag than a D-bag

119

#103, the other Kemp, it's because we don't have any rich people on our side who love our country the way Soros hates it. Wars cost money. Soros knows this. We don't have it, so we're trying to fight on the cheap.

Seriously, the only multibillionaire conservative I can think of is Ross Perot, and he's been silent for years.

120 Good luck.

A family member of mine ran as a conservative against one of the lamer Republicans in the House.  The GOP likes to project this image of conservativism, but they protect their own and will fight to keep party intact beyond any other principles. 

Not only did they dump money into his opponent's war chest, which obliterated his grassroots advantage...  but the party elite also coordinated with talk radio to keep him off the air.  He went from having a regular interviews with local talk radio, to having host after host cancel in the weeks leading up to the election.  From his friends in radio, he got comments like, "Personally, I'd love to have you on my show, but this is coming from the management." 

I'm not saying that you cannot have a good grassroots movement.  And there are many local examples of success.  But if you try to graft yourself onto the party establishment...  and this is true in both parties...  they will use you only so far as you can support their interests.  And then, if your grassroots agenda starts threatening their game, they will bring the hammer down on you.

Whatever kind of thing this turns into...  watch out for important people who want to lend their "support".  That will destroy the spirit of the thing faster than any grumblings from the left.

121 Speaking of Ross Perot...

Notice how close he came...  and notice how quickly BOTH parties changed the rules to shut him out of the race and keep him off the ballot.

Nevermind that he was representing the best ideas and had a real groundswell of popular, non-partisan support.

122

I live in a district represented by an OK congressman. I'm not sure we can do much better and he never has any real opposition, so I'm thinking of sending my campaign pennies to somebody in another state.  I am wondering how helpful it would be to publish a list (or create a website) of Congressional Dems who need to go.  So that like-minded folks could send their campaign pennies to someone sane who might run against a Chris Dodd (assuming he's up for election in 2010), or a Jan whatever her name is from IL, or a Barney Frank.

Getting the true story on the people who need to go, with linkies and video, all in one convenient place, might be super helpful to future campaigns.

We might think some of these folks are unbeatable, but you never know until you try. 

123

Seriously, the only multibillionaire conservative I can think of is Ross Perot, and he's been silent for years.

 

What makes you think he was a conservative? His big item in the campaign full of charts and shit was huge tax increases. Never mentioned cutting spending once.

124 July the 4th is good, but we want to keep the ball rolling. We should do Labor Day or some other day in May also.

Not only do we need to keep trying to catch the eye of the sleeping public, we need to keep our own momentum strong.

I have been emailing photos of the tea party I attended to friends - it is amazing how few of them even knew it was happening. It is important to reach out and inform people, if they just read papers or watch TV for info, they won't know.

125 I keep hearing about how this whole things revolves around taxes, but that's not what I get from the signs.  There are alot more reasons besides out of control fiscal policy driving the attendees.  My own major beefs are the expansion of the state, and federal medling in the free market.  Too big to fail means too big.

My point is don't let the money angle become the only angle.

There is no way the media will come around.  They've sold their souls to the left.  The politicians will reach the point where they are forced to pay lip service to the movement.  That's already beginning to happen (Steele's offer to speak at a protest comes to mind.)  But they will not change their ways, only their rhetoric.  Anyone who pays attention knows that it's lobbyist investments in pork futures that fuels the reelection coffers of our entire political class.  This energy will be wasted if it doesn't result in substantial changes in the lineup come election day.

 So keep the momentum going, keep the politicians out, and direct this energy toward the election process.

126 I would definitely be up for a July 4th tea party. (Bring a samovar, make a day of it . . . ) But yes, the ball needs to keep rolling between now and then. May Day would be a nice bit of irony. It would also send a message if we recreate the original Boston Tea Party somehow; obviously, we can't throw boxes of tea in Boston Harbor, but dumping boxes of tax records and forms in someone's swimming pool would make just as interesting an image.

127 I went over to Democratic Underground and joined up to get in on the "teabagging" thread.  Was "chatting" with a couple of people about why they are so offended by us and why they think we are potential terrorists, when all my comments got deleted!  Went to their rules to see why, as I was in no way offensive or abusive (I was much nicer than I am here).  The only thing I can see is that they want their members to be Democrats and committed to the party.  So I guess they only want people who agree with them.  They only want cheerleaders, no discussion.  I get it now.

128 87:  Reaching way the hell back to chime in on this one.

The left WANTS us to rage and burn torches.  That would give them justification to dismiss us and vilify us.  A rule of thumb is that when you are doing something the enemy likes, then you are doing something horribly, horribly wrong.

By keeping true to our natures, being orderly, peaceful, and law-abiding, we are giving the MSM fits.  They tried dismissing us as whackos, which we disproved for all eyes to see by NOT acting like a bunch of Code Pink harpies.  They tried to say that this was just a small group of nobodies and not worth mentioning, which we disproved by showing up in the hundreds of thousands across the nation.  They tried to claim that we were being paid to be there, which individual interviews proved a lie.  Now they are saying that this is just a flash-in-the-pan, a fluke with no real momentum.  Now we need to prove them wrong by STAYING THE COURSE.  We have found something that WORKS.  It needs a little fine tuning but the overall result was a staggering success; we've got the MSM reeling.  Now we need to follow up.

As I said before, either a 100 days rally, May Day, or Juy Fourth (hell, all three would be AWESOME)  And this time, we need to stage our rallies right on the MSM's doorsteps.  Gather at their buildings, studios, and affiliates. Stand outside the Today Show with a sign that says "Hey Meredith!  It's YOUR taxes too!"  "Like CHANGE?  Try wearing a Burka in a DESERT!"  "Obama just stole an extra 80 grand from your wallet, Matt!  SMILE FOR THE CAMERA NOW!"  "Support Obama's policies!  It's the LAST decision you'll ever make!"  "Sorry!  We can't ALL be Code Pink!"  "My ancestors died for freedom and all I got was this lousy PRESIDENT!"

129 Just a thought; strategically, conservatives prefer republicans, but the R's have been as awful in Congress recently as D's. Let's suppose this effort gains momentum. I think the most potent potential in 2010 for the Tea Party movement is to have the movment declare a commitment to vote a straight ticket: non-incumbent! Think about it. First, we empty all the dead weight. if the movement really has legs by then, they would be able to tip every election if commited to non-incumbent candidates. I know, R's will also end up with majorities, which may alienate some of the D's who are engaged in the Tea party effort and some conservative R's may want to whine that "my representative" is ok.

Some potential possitives from this approach:

1. clear message. everyone understands "throw the bastards out"
2. no third party insanity
3. even without the kind of commtiment and discipline needed to actually pull off the outcome, it'll shake mainstream political thought by candidates; forcing them to address why they shouldn't be given the heave 'ho.

130 Frankly, the left is confused. They get all their information from the legacy media and leftist blogs (which get their info from the legacy media). So what little they've heard about the tea parties is confused and ignorant. So they are just making crap up, presuming things based on how they do this and out of fear. They don't know what's going on and only some of the more courageous ones are even trying to find out.

131

Frankly, the left is confused.

 

Hahahahaha; how about bug-fuck insane and criminally stupid. As AC says, if they had been smart they would have been Republicans.

132 Well, that too, but specifically about the Tea Parties, they are confused.

133 What?

Fox News personalities had been on the air actively asking people to go to their local Tea Party.   Hannity, Cavuto, Beck - these guys came on Fox News and said, were going to the Tea Parties and you should too.  Bring the kids.

Literally.

 Can you imagine how much your heads would have exploded had Olbermann or Maddow or any other left-wing media personality gone on the air and actively asked viewers to protest something?  Not merely mentioned that they might be happening.  Or merely covering them.  But actively promoting them as something that they are going to do and that you should do as well.

1.  You'd call into question their objectivity as journalists.
2.  You'd question the legitimacy of the turnout of these events. 

Obviously.

134 133:  Yeah, it would be almost as bad as if members of the MSM were encouraging people to vote Obama!

Oh.

Wait.

135 So you're saying if a guest comes on a news station, giving their opinion, that means the entire station is in on the bias? If, say, a black bloc guy shows up and says we need anarchy and everyone should show up for the G8 summit and break windows, that means the station is calling for it?

Or are you just an idiot?

136 Or are you just an idiot?

Christopher, shhhh...liberals don't like it when you ask them tough questions!

137 Everyone says a third party is a loser, and I suppose that for a few election cycles, it would lose.  But eventually, two things would happen:  1.  The corruption of the winning party will consolidate the new party, and 2. The continuing losses of the not so conservative pols will cause them to move to the right or be replaced.  Think 20 to 30 years in the future, not the next election cycle.

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