1 I still like the idea of voluntarily registering as a right wing extremist with Janet.  How would I go about that?

2 If my 4th PYSOPS GP friends wrote such about our (US) enemies they would probably be brought up on charges.

3 In my butt! Put in right in my butt!!!

4 I want to see who came up with the report, who wrote it and what did they base their info on?  If Zero can release memos on interrogation for our enemies to read then releasing who authored this report should be no problem.  I think DHS lifted info from the frothing lefty Southern Poverty Law Center ($PLC).

5 This is not to say that it the lawsuit is without its problems. Though it is clearly not frivolous, I'm not convinced that the plaintiffs have sufficiently alleged an injury caused by the report.

Good freakin' Lord. Used a few too many nots and negatives in there. Oy, it's been a long day.

6
For all you pussies who wet your pants over Michael Savage:

You can thank him for doing this for YOU.

7 Michael Savage may be a fucking nut, but in this case he's our nut. Nutter indeed.

8 The recent report from the Department of Homeland Security and Big Sis Janet Napolitano goes even further. It ends on an ominous note. It says, “DHS … will be working with its state and local partners over the next several months to ascertain with greater regional specificity the rise in rightwing extremist activity in the United States, with a particular emphasis on the political, economic, and social factors that drive rightwing extremist radicalization. This isn’t change we can believe in. This is Janet Reno on steroids. Political Aids. I hope they win this lawsuit.

9

Gabriel, thanks!  We laymen appreciate your explanation ...

I'm glad that Fox and Drudge and other websites and bloggers exposed this DHS "memo" ... and that it got enough attention to cause Napolitano to have to publicly offer an apology....

Yep, the "halo" is wearing off of Team Obama... hhe'll never have another shot at HOPE and CHANGE...or the rock-concert political rallies... that stuff won't work anymore... he will become the establsihment...

 

10 I have heard rumors that Janet Neopolitician is a hump bumper.  Can anyone verify her choice of Pick Tacos over Pink Pony's?

11 Hey why not act the same way illegal immigrants would act? If it would have been the other way around the ACLU would have been on top of Napolitano the moment the report came out.

12

just another day, just another list. my work is done here.

13 According to Rush ... what we've seen is only a SUMMARY of the actual report - there should be more.

At the very least - perhaps this lawsuit can get DHS to release the rest of the report - if what Rush is saying is correct.

There may be more damaging stuff in the real report? 

14

The left has used silly lawsuits as a weapon against the right for years. Time for a little catch-up.

15 Even the Communist ACLU has responded to some of these reports by saying that it crosses the line and shows a disregard for civil liberties. So dissidents on the left and dissidents on the right agree for once.  But the government media complex, the Obama crowd, seems to be just fine with the idea of sending you up the river if you support a third party or oppose gay marriage.  They’re OK with putting you under surveillance if you have, quote, subversive literature, unquote.  Or if you happen to support the wrong Republican member of Congress, look out; your next vote may be your last.

16 DHS … will be working with its state and local partners over the next several months to ascertain with greater regional specificity the rise in rightwing extremist activity in the United States, with a particular emphasis on the political, economic, and social factors that drive rightwing extremist radicalization.

Keep that in mind when politicians beg for more of your tax money, "otherwise vital services like police will be cut"

17 Not surprising to see Savage's name in there; he seems to be a regular sue-monkey.

Considering Big Sister specified in a footnote that persons holding just ONE of the outlined beliefs, not some or all, but just ONE, is a potential threat?  As I said in a previous thread, the head of the United States Department of Homeland Security essentially declared war on roughly half of the citizens of the United States.

If you support the 2nd Amendment, if you are pro-life, if you are upset about the economy, if you are unhappy with Obortion bowing to the Saudi King, if you feel the government is not acting in our country's best interests, if you don't accept that the Constitution is a "living, breathing entity", if you have misgivings about the president's cabinet being filled with tax cheats, if you blame the left for our current financial crisis, if you don't like the high cost of gasoline, if you don't agree with Al Gore and the AGW crowd...if you hold ONE of these beliefs, you may be considered a terrorist?

This woman has no business holding any office.  She shouldn't even be trusted with a postcard of DC.

I'm sure that makes me a right-wing extremist too.

18
btw, this is just a precursor to the Fairness Doctrine, and the repeal of the 2nd Amendment.

AND it will open the door to discrimination-lawsuits to be filed against churches for refusing to marry homosexuals and 'hate-speech' at the altar.

This analysis, or assessment, or whatever they want to call it was merely a test to see how far they can go.

19

Someone in the torture thread below posted this:

http://tinyurl.com/dlag5j

A bill from the Montana legislature exempting Montana made guns and ammo from the commerce clause. Sorry, I don't remember who posted it.

I'd appreciate Gabriel's take on the bill.

20 Strange isn't it, how Tim Robbins hasn't run up to a microphone with a dramatic cry about a "chill wind"

Fucking phony assed hypocrites

21 Evil neo-nazi gun worshipping racists in Santa Monica

22 Are you talking to me Fish?

23
We went from George Bush fighting Osama bin Laden to Barack Obama fighting Rush Limbaugh.

We went from the DHS fighting Al Qaeda to the DHS fighting Michael Savage, you, and me.

24 Gabe, thanks for your work on this. The more that see (can you see transparency?) them for what they are, the better.

25

Injury?

Mental anguish. Lots of fucking mental anguish.

26 adolfo_velasquez, I've been meaning to write about that for a few days. Okay, actually, I wrote a note to do something about it on Monday and then fell into a non-blogging funk. I'll take a look and may put something up about it tomorrow.

27 This political hack-attack is blowing up in their faces (does that count as a threat?) and is having the OPPOSITE affect then was their intention, I think.  Doubtless they expected folks to be too intimidated to attend the TEA parties by the 'leak' of this memo beforehand.  Now it's getting more and more traction as people become aware of it's stench.  It's just a matter of time before they come after AoS, RS, etc., as "extremist, terrorist abetting" web sites.  Be prepared.

I'm all about registering as a counter-revolutionary with DHS, think I'll make some calls in the morning so I can fax them my DD214 and NRA membership card.  We should all be doing the same.

28 Where's George Clooney with a handwringing angry speech about the police state and how the government is shutting us up.

Probably getting drunk with his buddy Matt Damon on his big assed powerboat, calling his accountant to see if the boat can be written off on his taxes while writing some crying screenplay about how we horrible Americans denied terrorists their rights.

Fucking phony assed hypocrite

29 "For all you pussies who wet your pants over Michael Savage"

i like savage. is he nuts? maybe. but he's on our side and has decried extremist right things like going after gays, though he likes to go after them more heavily then others. he's prolly sane about 80% of the time but is known for his insane 20% part more, he's enetertaining. nuts. and when it's all said and done on ouur side. he's more sane then nuts like keyes

30 Thanks, Gabriel.

31 I have to say, I'd love to be involved in the discovery on this.  It could be quite fun indeed.

And hell, I've given up on that whole being about it crap.  Scorch the earth the same way those on the Left do.  Taste of their own medicine, etc.

32 Well hell, I'd love to get on some sort of Enemy of the Government List. Couple of years, I'll have a gig teaching at college, just ask Obama's mentors.

33 darlingadingdon, that is a very astute and chilling observation.

34

We've been told over and over again by the libs that one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.

I think we all just got labeled terrorists by DHS.  Whose freedom fighters are we?

35 non-blogging funk. Is that a ghey term? PMS?

36 Good post, Gabe.

37 Obviously, it came from the White House.

38

Tonight Glenn Beck gave Charles at LGF the infamous Texas Chilli Bowl, sans warning and sans vaseline!

I guess if you're gonna' spend weeks shitting on a guy who's dialed in and has his own hit television show you should expect some blowback. Charles did not take the criticism well as the following video shows:

http://tinyurl.com/cff9fb

(this is different from the one last night and funnier)

 

 

39 Stick this in your hole and smoke it!
 I see now. Thanks!

40 For those who slept through World History 101...... here is a condensed version.

Humans originally existed as members of small bands of nomadic hunters/gatherers. They lived on deer in the mountains during the summer and would go to the coast and live on fish and lobster in the winter.

The two most important events in all of history were:
1. The invention of beer, and
2. The invention of the wheel. The wheel was invented to get man to the beer, and the beer to the man.
These facts formed the foundation of modern civilization and together were the catalyst for the splitting of humanity into two distinct subgroups:
1. Liberals
2. Conservatives.

Once beer was discovered, it required grain and that was the beginning of agriculture. Neither the glass bottle nor aluminum can were invented yet, so while our early humans were sitting around waiting for them to be invented, they just stayed close to the brewery. That's how villages were formed.

Some men spent their days tracking and killing animals to BB Q at night while they were drinking beer. This was the beginning of what is known as the Conservative movement.
Other men who were weaker and less skilled at hunting learned to live off the conservatives by showing up for the nightly BBQ's and doing the sewing, fetching, and hair dressing. This was the beginning of the Liberal movement.
Some of these liberal men eventually evolved into women. The rest became known as girlie-men.
Some noteworthy liberal achievements include the domestication of cats, the invention of group therapy and group hugs, the evolution of the Hollywood actor, and the concept of Democratic voting to decide how to divide all the meat and beer that conservatives provided.

Over the years, Conservatives came to be symbolized by the largest, most powerful land animal on earth, the elephant. Liberals are symbolized by the jackass.
Modern liberals like imported beer (with lime added), but most prefer white wine or imported bottled water. They eat raw fish but like their beef well done. Sushi, tofu, and French food are standard liberal fare. Another interesting evolutionary side note: most of liberal women have higher testosterone levels than their men. Most social workers, personal injury attorneys, journalists, dreamers in Hollywood and group therapists are liberals. Liberals invented the designated hitter rule because it wasn't fair to make the pitcher also bat.

Conservatives drink domestic beer. They eat red meat and still provide for their women. Conservatives are big-game hunters, rodeo cowboys, lumberjacks, construction workers, firemen, medical doctors, police officers, corporate executives, athletes, Marines, and generally anyone who works productively. Conservatives who own companies hire other conservatives who want to work for a living.

Liberals produce little or nothing. They like to govern the producers and decide what to do with the production. Liberals believe Europeans are more enlightened than Americans. That is why most of the liberals remained in Europe when conservatives were coming to America They crept in after the Wild West was tamed and created a business of trying to get more for nothing.

Here ends today's lesson in world history.......
It should be noted that a liberal may have a momentary urge to angrily respond to the above before forwarding it.

A conservative will simply laugh and be so convinced of the absolute truth of this history that it will be forwarded immediately to other true believers, and to more liberals...just to **** them off.

Have a great day

41 Is Charles® still making excuses for this report?

42
Let's say that you're the new radical lefty president, okay? And let's say that you want to raise taxes on working Americans and legalize 30 million illegal peasants for the express purpose of retaining power, okay?

The first thing you need to do is silence your critics. That's exactly what Obama and the Democrats are doing. And they'll stop at nothing (because, apparently, there's nothing to stop them) to achieve their goals.

43 The parts of the report that are picked up by the "rightwing" blogs, aren't from the text itself, but from the appendice's that are supposed to specificaly define wording.

The definition is in essence "anyone who didn't vote for, or regrets voting for obama."

I remember doing paper work as a fucking inventory clerk, and I would have to hunt down the definitions for words that were used vaguely in the text of an manual on how to maintain a FUCKING INVENTORY!

This is clearly a "no call" paper, as it's written, meaning, "I'm not saying you SHOULD investigate people who didn't vote for or disagree with, but I'm not saying you shouldn't, I'm not making that call."

Classic bureaucratic bullshit.

The uppers always try to tangle up the lowers into a mess of vague language, prime example?

The "Fire no fire" on the pirates.

Since the "fire" worked, there is no outrage for ignoring the "no fire."
If there was "no fire" and the captain died, it would have been the commander on scenes fault for ignoring the vague and meaningless language that allowed for the "fire."

If the fire had gone wrong, then the president is blameless, because he really said nothing. . . . .kinda like everything else he said.

Classic no call bullshit.

44 In my day job, I'm a member of an organization that participates with the FBI to share intelligence on infrastructure threats. My own occupation is involved in assessing the threat to a global financial corporation from all vectors that put our information and information systems at risk.

Having seen this remarkably political and incredibly sloppy analysis work put out by DHS, I am deeply troubled. I can share that many in my profession are equally horrified by this garbage that is a disgrace to the intelligence community. Besides obsessing over the parties that clearly are not a threat, it pulls the focus off of the real threats. We deal with them daily (it would surprise some here that entities like Hamas are actively at war with our information infrastructure as there is great profit in stealing financial information) and many of us are fearful that under the new leadership of DHS Director Napolitano, we are actually far worse off in ignoring real threats, creating politically correct barriers on consideration of real threats, and wasting intelligent assets on chasing nuisances. The lessons of 9/11 have clearly been forgotten.

Incidentally, I am exceptionally critical of DHS's continued Barney Fief bungling over Timothy McVeigh. McVeigh's manifesto is almost indistinguishable from the positions advocated by Jesse MacBeth, Scott Beauchamp, Cindy Sheehan and the rest of the far-left radicals. That McVeigh used bombs should remind one of leftist and Obama best-friends-for-life Bill Ayers, not any nut on the right. That McVeigh liked guns should remind one of Che or Castro, not the right. That McVeigh hated the government should remind one of Obama mentor and philosophical teacher, Saul Alinsky.

Get the damn profiling fixed, FBI and DHS. You have damaged your credibility in the eyes of professionals you work with daily to fight real criminals and terrorists. Step up, set your damn politics aside and do your job. If you can't do that and politics is too enticing, then quit. You have a conflict of interest we're calling you on the carpet for that precludes your capacity to serve this nation.

If you fail to straighten yourselves up, another 9/11 will happen and I assure you, that blood will be on your hands. You won't be able to sweep it under the carpet of congressional hearings led by Jamie Gorelick and friends who we know were greatly responsible for the errors the first time around. The second time, the agency itself is implicated. Get rid of the politics. If Napolitano is too much of a crony, then resign in protest. Your first duty is to protect this nation.

45 fucked that up, I meant it was supposed to define as in the appendices.

Not a lawyer, and don't have a paralegal at hand.

46
Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Tim McVeigh agree more with Adolf Hitler than, say, Ronald Reagan?

And isn't Barack Hussein Obama more aligned with Hitler's ideology than, say, Ronald Reagan's?

Can anyone give me some fucking knowledge (cite some specific examples) of how McVeigh was a 'rightwinger?'

47

And they'll stop at nothing (because, apparently, there's nothing to stop them) to achieve their goals.

Proof:  Chavez, Venezuela. We are seriously heading down a path which is not pretty.

48 43:  Obortion is still finding ways to vote Present.

49 I for one am glad that beer now comes in glass bottles.

50 46:  Because he was ex-military.  Stupid I know, but these are liberal definitions we're talking about.  Par for the course.

51 The old bag says that DHS is not trampling on anyones rights and they're not out to monitor people's political opinions.

Look for the old "depends on what your definition is of political opinion"

52 Juicy eh Gabe?

53 Well hell, I'd love to get on some sort of Enemy of the Government List. Couple of years, I'll have a gig teaching at college, just ask Obama's mentors.

Time for an "Member of the DHS Enemies List" blog logo to pass around.

54
By the way, this is what happens when the federal government is run by academics. This shit is nothing different from the politically correct rules made on campuses that purposely stifle free speech from opposing viewpoints.

In other words, it's the favorite liberal argument tactic of "Shut Up" on a federal scale.

55

Discovery is gonna be a bitch.

Kind of a bitch-goddess, really. Heh.

Make me some popcorn, bitch.

56 I can only imagine that he hasn't actually read the report and fell for the lefty drivel trying to explain it away.

Or, y'know, he's in the fucking tank.  Just spitballing.

57 Apparently all my harasment in the past has made Gabe a decent lawyer.  Good work.  Don't let it go to your head, you are still a wet behind the ears lawyer punk.  But you are our lawyer punk.

58 No apotheosis, I don't believe that.

All the guys at volokh tend to be pretty solid and rational, however, in gabes link, orren doesn't really say anything about the document in discussion, only about the claim, without referencing the cause of the claim.

which I do find unusual for TVC.

59

Just asking Gabe, and I know I should do this research myself, but maybe you already know.

Who are the justices in this Court? Who appointed them?

I'll start checking myself, but if you have info at hand, thanks.

60 HatlessHessian,

Given your professed background, would your take be that this is a knowingly false propaganda piece meant to inculcate LEO's that 'right-wingers' are probable terrorists and subject to reasonable, uhhh, further investigation?

That is my take.

61

Can anyone give me some fucking knowledge (cite some specific examples) of how McVeigh was a 'rightwinger?'

They said in the endictment that mcveigh did it because of passage of the assault weapons ban.  which If you read the actual endictment there are more questions then answers

62
Proof:  Chavez, Venezuela. We are seriously heading down a path which is not pretty.

I'm glad you brought this up. If you look at places like Venezuela and other South American and Central American countries run by leftist dictators, they all have something in common: their own army of government thugs who hit the street and tamp down any opposition. In Venezuela, if they see a person holding a sign for one of Chavez's opponents, for example, those thugs will rip that sign out of his/her hands.

Obama is building his own army here with ACORN and when there's a fight on the street, WE will be the one arrested and convicted of some cockamamie hate-crime, not the ACORN thug.

Obama has a plan. He's not Jimmy Carter II; he's an evil man with his eyes set on dictatorship.

63 TIM McVEIGH!! TIM McVEIGH!!!

64 did you see that piece I think it was on fox that the mayor who went up against chavez in this past elections is in hiding? chavez will not even let him (the current mayor) in his own office?

65 The Report specifically mentions the following political beliefs that law enforcement should use to determine whether someone is a “rightwing extremist”:

Opposes restrictions on firearm
Opposes lax immigration
Opposes the policies of President Obama regarding immigration, citizenship and   the expansion of social programs
Opposes continuation of free trade agreements
Opposes same-sex marriage
Has paranoia of foreign regimes
Fear of Communist regimes
Opposes one world government
Bemoans the decline of U.S. stature in the world.
Upset with loss of U.S. manufacturing jobs to China and India
  . . . and the list goes on

The Law Center is asking the court to declare that the DHS policy violates the First and Fifth Amendments, to permanently enjoin the Policy and its application to the plaintiffs’ speech and other activities, and to award the plaintiffs their reasonable attorney’s fees and costs for having to bring the lawsuit.

66 Druid/60: I really don't know yet. We were talking about it today internally and my counterpart that works with the secret service and FBI on a regular basis regarding investigations sent the report to me along with scathing comments. Initial impressions is that this is a political hit job by Napolitano - it was very poorly constructed, hardly researched and looks like the product a junior college freshman might do, compared to what the agency should be able to produce given its expertise and resources. Perhaps she's trying to earn the respect of her boss, but as we learned from Gorelick's similar efforts, she created the intelligence breakdown that ensured 9/11 would occur. This effort by Napolitano can have the same effect if it redirects agency resources off of left-wing radicals and onto benign fools (or worse, citizens angered by government corruption and irresponsibility).

I'm looking forward to learning how our field agent contacts feel about this piece. Hopefully they will disassociate with it as well, but when it's a directive by the DHS director, disassociation may have a professional price.

Napolitano has to go. She's got the "politics first, last and always" aspect of Reno without any of the competence, and it's clear she's an eager beaver to show her boss how loyal she is. DHS will kill Americans if left to get off course with her direction.

67 Reichsfuhrer Napolitano is down in Mexico City with Teleprompter to work with their government to not just apologize for how mean and evil the USA has been, but to let them know how much she'll let the drug dealers and coyotes get away before she has to go on tv and promise to do something about it.

68 No more nametags at the next Appleseed.

69

#38,

 

I looked at LGF for the first time yesterday at any length and found it painfully pedantic.  The video sums it up exactly.

70
I believe it. Yet the Left in this country, the racist black congressional caucus, in particular, will have nicer things to say about Castro and Chavez than they ever did about George Bush.

I thought Cynthia McKinney was a evil fruitcake; I ever realized that most of the other black congress rats are just as bad.

71

Hatless.  Bravo!

 

The DHS has demonstrated it is jsut an extension of the ATF and the thugs who gave us Waco and Ruby Ridge.  It is headed by a cretin whose main talent appears to be her willingness to prostitute herself for political gain.  Such behavior resembles the less attractive characteristics of Barney Frank and Chucky Schuimer, but I apolize in advance if the head of DHS takes offense or interrpts this to mean she has the morales of a whore.  Obviously she doesn't and whores would be insulted by such a comparison.

72 I think this DHS report is sub named The Alinsky Report 

73

Prisons and graveyards in Cuba and Venezula are filled with people that critisized their leader. German people routinely turned in family, friends and nieghbors for voicing opposition to the leader -they were never seen again.

Many people who are not conservatives or Republicans agree with at least one of those issues. That it is even being bandied about and not decried by all people, no matter where they stand, is very chilling. It will be your nieghbor that's deemed a threat today. It will, be you that is deemed a threat tomorrow

 

The DHS is polishing the jackboots

74 Christ. Liberals always said the DHS could be a threat to American liberties.

And they were right!

75

well, our gal Sarah just wrapped up her first speech in the Lower 48 since the campaign at the Evansville IN Right-To-Life fundraiser dinner, and from the 317+ Comment-reviews at Conservatives4Palin.com, she absolutely scorched the earth.  C4P will probably have the video up later tonite, so in the meantime go watch the new Terminator Salvation trailer for inspirations like...this:

"...we are outnumbered by Obots...but Morons hace a strength that cannot be measured...this is Sarah Palin/Rush Limbaugh/Sean Hannity/Ace...if you can hear or read this, YOU are the Resistance...." ;-)

76 71: Putin:  I'd sooner trust an actual whore than Big Sister.  Both are looking to screw us and take our money, but at least the whore is honest about it.

77 Damage done.  This report will burn Obama's support in the military.  Expect further disenfranchisement of military absentee ballots in 2012.

78 46
Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Tim McVeigh agree more with Adolf Hitler than, say, Ronald Reagan?

Darlingdingdong, that touches on one of big lies the Media and Eduction system has fosters:  the Hitler and fascists in general were right wingers.

Hitler was a socialist, as was Pol POt, Stalin -- they enjoyed conytolling eevery thing.

79 So, when I apply for a job and HR sees that I am a veteran (OMG!), white (OMFG!), and conservative (ahhhh!), will they be afraid to hire me?  And hey, I wonder what "veterans" groups like Vote Vets and IAVA think about this?

80 The Thomas More Law Center defends and promotes America’s Christian heritage and moral values, including the religious freedom of Christians, time-honored family values, and the sanctity of human life.  It supports a strong national defense and an independent and sovereign United States of America.  The Law Center accomplishes its mission through litigation, education, and related activities.  It does not charge for its services.  The Law Center is supported by contributions from individuals, corporations and foundations, and is recognized by the IRS as a section 501(c)(3) organization.

81 i was listening to Savage tonight, i think they filed 2 lawsuits, one for an FOIA on what is contained in the unabridged version.

82 Ahhh, so discovery is a bitch, but is she the mother of standing.

83 slizzle, the FOIA suit is to see what they relied on to create the report.

84 And incidentally, there is one other theory for those that are a little more conspiratorial than I'd like to be this early in the administration:

Napolitano was instructed/directed to get the heat off of the left-wing anarchists and radicals like ANSWER, La Raza, ACORN, ALF and ELF and all the other violent extremists out there. In addition to the "stimulus" bill sending billions to many of these entities (e.g. ACORN's upcoming role in the Census), the message to DHS agencies to lay off the left and refocus on the right needed to be sent. In that light, the report was a DHS Targeting Manifesto, mostly focused in backing off the left and shifting to the right.

The continued classification of McVeigh as a "right-wing radical" is a curious one. Bill Ayers carried out his anti-government terrorism, bombings and such, starting while a Democratic president was in office. How is it that we don't consider him as a "right-wing terrorist" since the hatred that fueled his terrorism against this nation started under President Johnson? Worse yet, Ayers and the Weather Underground were in opposition to Vietnam and Laos intervention -- but who started that war? Not a Republican, but Democratic President Kennedy.

The news media (and apparently our politicized intelligence agencies) forget that to the radicals, neither party is acceptable. Kennedy and Johnson were useful fools at best to most of the 60s and 70s radicals -- less hated than the right only because the radicals could always manipulate them for some short term gain. Curiously, they've done it again. They elected a President who believes he can control them, and according to some, the President has directed the DHS director to call off the agencies from any further investigation of the radicals and anarchists. He believes he can appease them by having her focus on the imaginary "right-wing radicals" like all those options traders in Chicago and the bankers in rural Nebraska who went to a rally to oppose government corruption.

The pressure has to be put on the agency now, before these efforts to give stealth and immunity to the real terrorists within our borders sets in. Napolitano must go and Obama must know that there is a political cost for trying to appease our enemies.

85 Since Napolitano is most likely Catholic, shouldn't she put herself on the extremist list for belonging to an anti-abortion group which also opposes gay marriage?

86 The Report specifically mentions the following political beliefs that law enforcement should use to determine whether someone is a “rightwing extremist”:

Opposes same-sex marriage

Posted by: sickinmass at April 16, 2009 10:35 PM (/i4dU)

Jeez, nearly 70% of americans are right wing extremists. How did obama ever get elected?

87 Gotta admit it, you have the ability to surprise me.

Kudos sir, well written.

88 74 Christ. Liberals always said the DHS could be a threat to American liberties.

And they were right! Posted by: CoolCzech

CoolCzech wins.

89 The Thomas More Law Center announced yesterday that is has filed a Freedom of Information Act request with the Department of Homeland Security demanding to know the basis for their recent intelligence assessment targeting as “rightwing extremists” those who oppose abortion, gun control, lax immigration laws, and a myriad of other policies supported by President Obama’s administration.

90 So, Sickinmass, the Thomas Moore Law Center is on the watchlist as well then, huh?

91

and the repeal of the 2nd Amendment.

eh oh el. i will never live to see that day.

92 If the Obama administration's thugs are properly dressed, unlike the toads who teabagged yesterday, all will be well.

93 #44 - thanks for your take.  Scary but true.
I believe we will be attacked again and much harder this time.

Oh, and Napolitano is definately a
'Taco' lover.   Her and Reno - what's with the big, butch lesbos that the dems love to put in those jobs?  

94
>Jeez, nearly 70% of americans are right wing extremists. How did obama ever get elected?
His puppetmasters stole it for him/them.

95 HatlessHessian,

Anyone has got to read it (the "report") as a whole. Parse a single sentence and one will have lost the forest for a tree.

Having slapped FOUO, SECRET, and &tc on, and de-classed no small number of docs myself I do find the liberal (no pun intended) use of FOUO interesting - as there is nothing in it that would tip the hand of the Gov or be exempt from FOIA, except the fact that the report itself exists.

96 The department's definition of left-wing extremism in the March 26 report includes a reference to violence, stating these groups that embrace anticapitalist, communist or socialist beliefs seek "to bring about change through violent revolution rather than through established political processes."


see DHS did a report on left-wing extremism too. nothing to see here, move along folks

/sarc

97 'Taco' lover.
I just got that. Duh! Lol
_{still new here!}

98 Orin Kerr is a smart dude, but he's overreacted like this in the past.   Apparently he can say things without thinking carefully about them.  He's still smart, but not really reliable.

99 As for Scarborough only being allowed one question, that was less a matter of secrecy and more a matter of Rahm knowing she's dumber than a box of rocks and might just try to answer the questions.

100 Hatless, those are some great insights from the rank & file of DHS. Thank you.

But you make damned sure that you check six. I hate the idea of donning a tinfoil beanie, however I wouldn't rule out an internal DHS mole-hunt in the near future.

One thing that I'm a little fuzzy on...was this report released by the DHS brass? Or was it leaked by one of the foot soldiers (so to speak)?

101

"DHS … will be working with its state and local partners over the next several months to ascertain with greater regional specificity the rise in rightwing extremist activity in the United States, with a particular emphasis on the political, economic, and social factors that drive rightwing extremist radicalization."

I checked the copy that I downloaded, and these words really are at the end of the DHS document.

The wording implies that plans have already been made, communication links established and communications exchanged . . . . . .

Isn’t this paragraph evidence of intent, conspiracy, and maybe even illegal activites, some still ongoing?

If so, then it looks like Savage has good grounds to sue.

102 see DHS did a report on left-wing extremism too. nothing to see here, move along folks

Yeh, SEE!!! You're nothing but a bunch of paranoid wackos and I'm banning all of you. I know it's not my blog, but I ran out of people to ban at my own place

103 The Department of Homeland Security’s document in question, “Rightwing Extremism: Current Economic and Political Climate Fueling Resurgence in Radicalization and Recruitment” was released to law enforcement agencies throughout the country.  Of particular concern was the report’s singling out of military veterans as vulnerable to rightwing extremism.
This is not an intelligence report but a diatribe against those who oppose the policies of the Obama administration.  It is a declaration of war against the American people and our constitution.  It is a prelude to extreme gun control legislation and hate speech laws targeting Christian churches and others who oppose abortion and same sex marriage.  The federal government should be focusing its attention on the 35 radical Muslim compounds in the U.S. training its followers on how to kidnap and kill Americans. How do ya like them apples?

104 I'm in heap big trouble. Believe in the bible, believe in the constitution (especially the 2nd amendment), believe that abortion for birth control is murder, served 22 years in the military,  and would buy a ticket to see the impact (on top of his lover Janet)  if O'Dumbo jumped off the empire state building. Anyone ever heard of a Czar in anything other than a dictatorship or thugship. We have the first thugship. O'Dumbo is so dumb he doesn't realize he won't be in charge, he'll be dead  and his daughters will become the forced sex toys of many of the thugs who will be in charge. He's being used now and he ain't seen nothing yet. Even dictators kill the traitors who help them because they know they're traitors.

105

It takes more than a half hour of national or local news to be truly informed of current events.  The pablum and party line spewed by the main stream media belies how much has changed and is being changed in less than 100 days of Obama's administration.  Think about what has transpired in less than 100 days.

Many who were tapped for this administration didn't make the cut for legal reasons. Either carelessness of vetting or a need to fill spots by ideology were at work, and why wouldn't that make middle America a little nervous?  And yet...

We get a tax cheat in charge of the IRS, and interior Secretary that doesn't know energy policy is his domain, left wing gun grabbers in the Attorney General's office, a state department that doesn't know protocol (or Russian), a grab for the private sector that makes shaky banks want to give bailout money back, a World Tour by the President that includes an apology in every country, (gees, I don't know why some people are getting nervous about this guy), a bow before a foreign king, a finger in the eye from North Korea and Iran, more defecit spending in 3 months than in the entire history of the Republic, and Orwellian doublespeak that makes "everyone has to have some skin in the game" really mean  redistribution of income so half of America pays no tax....

Perhaps the speed and depth of this change is what has Americans looking at government with such distrust....and now a government report says that WE need to be looked at with suspicion?

They do this to us and WE need to be watched?

106 Gabe,

I was curious about this part of your post:

...have sufficiently alleged an injury caused by the report.

What would it take to prove injury and what would be the remedy if proven?

107 Well, that was it for me and LGF.  The Lizard Hizzonor is purging the rolls with verve and elan this evening.  I'm debating on whether to roll a hand grenade into the room, or quietly delete my account.  Suggestions, fellow morons?

108 Wickedpinto,

I agree with you about the ambiguous nature of the administration so far, but have heart.  At some point, such "fire, no fire" orders won't be enough.  The pirate thing was an easy call.  The real test is coming...

Gird your loins, or so we've been told.

109 and it's clear she's an eager beaver



Oh, I'm eager for the beaver alright!

110 It was leaked by law enforcement officers who share our beliefs.

111

@107  

Go for broke. Say what you think

112 If Gabe's conspiracy angle on this bears out, then we've got a bunch of Keystone Kops in the West Wing. Judging from their fiasco with Rush, that's not out of the question. Run this hastily scribbled fascist memo, then brief Napolitano on it as she says on the video ("I didn't sign off on it as such, I was briefed on it). When Doocy read the report back to her, she looked like a deer in the headlights.

They're totalitarian fetishists for sure, I hope they're totally fucking incompetent for our sake.

113 I'm debating on whether to roll a hand grenade into the room, or quietly delete my account.  Suggestions, fellow morons?

One of my favorite sig lines from a guy on a gun board that I frequent:

Don't be a pussy. Avenge your own death.

114
"Current Economic and Political Climate Fueling..."

Nice title.
Allow me to translate for you: For All The Radical Leftwing Policies The Obama Administartaion Is About To Impose On The United States, We Might Face A Large And Angry Opposition

115

@107

What would a Moron do?

Make it a bracelet.

116 @ 111, 113, and 115 -  well, I'm on my way.  I'd ask for prayers, but that's a naughty word at The Lizard Lounge.

117 It was leaked by law enforcement officers who share our beliefs.

Ahhh. That's interesting, thanks.

That really paints the report as more insidious and dangerous than just a ham-handed, hurried effort to take the wind out of the Tea Party movement.

118 107 Well, that was it for me and LGF.  The Lizard Hizzonor is purging the rolls with verve and elan this evening.  I'm debating on whether to roll a hand grenade into the room, or quietly delete my account.  Suggestions, fellow morons?

Go for the grenade, if you're going to get banned, do it like George Costanza

"I want people to remember it, I want people to say 'now THAT guy got fired!'"

119 100 IllTempered... I'm no DHS, but a strategic IT risk expert for a global financial corporation (not one of the bailout types, btw). So there's no fear of a witch hunt. I'm also open in my critique of DHS - if our nation is one that no longer accepts the concerns of all of us who are in the best position to correct what is wrong, then it has greater things to worry about.

That said, there is one final thought that I realized has me madder than hell tonight about this damn political garbage: finite resources require focus.

What I mean here is this: my employer is someone you deal with every damn day of your life as you buy stuff. We're one of the big players in the "the Internet of finance" - that's about as specific as I should get. Even as big as we are, we have to focus on the threats we deal with. While we look at IT and information security threats, for example, it all comes back to finance and risk management in making the best decisions on what threats to focus on, and what we think we can not worry about so much.

For instance, we could put a $300K firewall in front of every server so we reduce the risk of a compromised server being a jump-point to another system on a shared segment. But by spending several hundred million to do that, we'll have to take that money from some place else. We expand focus on one area at the expense of losing it on another. Every action has a cost.

Napolitano has ordered DHS and its agencies to place focus on people who are opposed to illegal immigration, people who are concerned about corrupt governments and financial excess along with the usual wackos like the rare klansman and other folks in need of institutional placement. The real problem is that she's demanding focus on a very large population as she defines most of the libertarians and conservatives as "persons of interest." This will take agency resource to shift focus, at the expense of not tracking other threats.

So, another 9/11 happens because we were tracking a banker in Cozad Nebraska who was upset that his tax money was being spent to enrich another DNC donor, or a Texas small businessman who lost a critical contracting job to a firm that uses illegals. Simply put, even the US Federal Government and DHS doesn't have infinite resources. It must focus. What Napolitano has done is spend all of that focus on people who simply are not likely to represent any real threat, at the expense of letting through those who will kill us.

In my world, the world of risk management, Napolitano has already killed a fraction of your children and family. The math's already done per her decision, as probably directed by President Obama. Each of you reading this should look at your wife/husband and children tonight and realize this: 0.002 of them is dead. They were killed by this report because it directed the agency's resources on non-threats, at the expense of the real ones. Hopefully for you won't be one who realizes the full integer (since life/death doesn't happen in fractions like we risk managers use), but some of you will.

Please remember my post when it occurs so we can hold the right people accountable. If Obama fires Napolitano and corrects this mis-use and mis-direction, we can reduce the blame on our President should it happen and once again have a Gorelick situation where our agencies let us down. But if he doesn't, then you know who is to blame. Finite resources demand focus on the likely threats. To do otherwise is to choose to let the real threats succeed.

Rant off... thank you all for letting me get this off my chest tonight. Prayers for you all, your families and our nation.

120 If you get banned, the comments will still be there for posterity on Google cache.

121 Suggestions, fellow morons?

I've thought about this and I think most people feel betrayed.  They thought LGF was something it is not.

Just ignore. Change the channel, no point in going out in a blaze of glory.  No blaze and no glory.

122 Fuck Chuck.  He's takes his anti-religious zealot thing to such an extreme that he has become a zealot himself.  Atheism is a religion.  True libertarians are agnostic.

123 Thanks Hatless and your welcome.
'Fusion Cells' are a set of local intelligence centers across the country created by the Department of Homeland Security to combat terrorism and related criminal activity, which includes pro-life activity. Kiss your children..often.

124 Consider me paranoid or cynical (you wouldn't  be the first).  What I see is an excuse for kicking in doors.  "That wasn't a conservative we raided last night.  That was a dangerous right wing terrorist."
This was my biggest problem with the War on Drugs.  It was used as an excuse for bad police work and bad laws.
They said if George W. was elected we would see civil liberties disappear.  Guess what?

125 Btw, Napolitano first gained national attention as the counsel for Anita Hill. She's the genius who went for broke with the pubic hair on the coke can bit. Ranks in legal genius right up there with telling OJ to try on the glove.

126

@125  

Seriously? That was awhile ago and I didn't recall that.

127 If you're fearing the knock on the door in the middle of the night, remember that the Feds have the "no-knock" policy. They just kick in your door and trash your house before asking a single question.

128 I'm debating on whether to roll a hand grenade into the room, or quietly delete my account.  Suggestions, fellow morons?

Posted by: sithkhan

It will only be up for a short time so you might as well make it flashy!

129 Here is the post, just for shits and giggles.

Well -

I came to LGF after the Rather-gate.  I stayed for the pro-Israel postings.  I registered for the WoT discussions.  I overlooked the soft patronization of creationists. 

Now?  Now I leave LGF, not because of the Beck issue, but because of the <em>way</em> it is being handled.  The dismissal of the Tea Parties as RONPAULTROOTHFESTNIRTHERFEST2009, the cynicism toward Christians who lack an open-mindedness, and the thin-skin exhibited in the past 48 hours have made me realize that I no longer have a reason to come here.

LGF is Charles' sandbox, and I won't poop in it.  Luck to you all.


TL;DR

Lurker says "See ya"; Lizards say BAI!

130

@125  

Seriously? That was awhile ago and I didn't recall that.

It's in her bio and her Wikipedia page.

131 >>They said if George W. was elected we would see civil liberties disappear.  Guess what?-salt and battery guy

The iron heel is starting to come down. The Homeland Security Department and these fusion centers were not created by Obama, but were created by George W. Bush.  And while Obama may ultimately be responsible for suppressing third parties and anybody else whose thinking is out of line with the Marxist mainstream, it was Bush that started the process.  So I don’t want to hear from lock step Republicans who insist that this is all Obama’s doing. Both sides are to blame. Bush started it, but Obama may finish it, with Big Sis at his side.

132 Wow - banned in 18 seconds.  HOT AND HEAVY ACTION!

133

Who is this Thomas Moore of which you speak?

Was he, like, a lawyer or something?

134 Posted by: HatlessHessian at April 16, 2009 11:14 PM (7r7wy)

Damn. DAMN. I'm saving that rant, Hatless. Awesome.

And scary.

The resource allocation problem is something that I think we all understand, but it's sobering to hear it from someone in the thick of things. 

135 The top House Democrat overseeing the Department of Homeland Security is demanding that officials there explain how and why they wrote and released a controversial report identifying veterans as potential terrorist threats.
Rep. Bennie G. Thompson of Mississippi, chairman of the House Homeland Security Committee, said in a letter to DHS Secretary Janet Napolitano that he was "dumbfounded" such a report would be issued.

136

Who is this RuCharles of which we speak?

A closet case or something? With a raging hard on for conservatives?

137 Wow - banned in 18 seconds.  HOT AND HEAVY ACTION!

Posted by: sithkhan

Pretty good.

Some people over at Protein Wisdom got banned without even posting. I guess Chuckie or a lizard lurker saw some anti-LGF posts and banned them from LGF for the Protein Wisdom posts.

138 Wow - banned in 18 seconds.

Sorry for the Star Trek ref but...Kobayashi Maru.

139 I think DHS lifted info from the frothing lefty Southern Poverty Law Center ($PLC).

That's what I thought when I read it.  I should head over to Frontpage Magazine to see David Horowitz' reaction.  I know he's been dragged through the mudd ten times over by the SLPC.

I guess you end up in the SLPC reports if you ever poll in any minority ever.

140 >>HOT AND HEAVY ACTION!

AtC  in 4,3,2...

141 103 This is not an intelligence report but a diatribe against those who oppose the policies of the Obama administration.

Good Job! Ya read it as a whole.

142 If your dog like riding in the bed of your pickup truck...you might be a right-wing extremist.

If you eat apple pie...you might be a right-wing extremist.

If your rifle has a woman's name...you might be a right-wing extremist.

If you wear blue jeans on a weekday...you might be a right-wing extremist.

*apologies to Jeff Foxworthy

143

Napolitano was our Gov for 6 years and she is a jerk. She jumped for Barack early and often. When she was appointed to DHS I said good riddance, little knowing she would again emerge as a threat at the Federal level.

I don't have any inside knowledge, but I did follow her tenure as Gov and in my humble opinion she is stupid, vengeful, ambitious and unattractive. She is truly a threat, and the more she is challenged the more nasty she becomes. Sheriff Joe Arpaio took her on and she went after him with a passion.

Love you Janet, FOAD.

144 Radical Muslims have already infiltrated the highest levels of our government, our military, both major political parties, public schools, universities, financial institutions, and the culture elite.

Radical Islam is the Enemy Within

145 Travis,

Noticed your hash, another tragedy.  Too many Lady4 rejoinders.

We all have our crosses to bear.

146 Each of you reading this should look at your wife/husband and children tonight and realize this: 0.002 of them is dead.

I think that is already 1% +, but ya' got to spread the wealth around.

147

No more nametags at the next Appleseed.

i forgot that is this weekend. anybody going? if i go i'll have to bring my stock ar . i hate waiting for parts.

148 123/sickinmass: Yea, we got a tour of the Omaha fusion center before it opened up. If used correctly, it should be a good resource. You'd be surprised how the ineptness of local law enforcement can complicate things. Then again, if used improperly, they'll be a problem. Classic centralization risk.

We all need to really crank up the pressure on the USFG now. I finished Georgio Agamben's "State of Exception" last week and it's really disturbing to see how many dictators didn't seize power, but rather were provided it and utilized the state of exception to expand into their extra-constitutional authority. We need to be absolutely objective and realize that we allowed Bush to do this with TARP last fall and the creation of the extra-legal status for Guantanamo detainees. I hate the bastards and think they should have been interrogated and shot, but we have to be critical of what our President did respective to what was authorized constitutionally if we're to ever get out of this mess.

Agamben points out that apparently Thomas Jefferson noted in a private letter that the Louisiana Purchase would never be considered constitutional. He figured it was a deal too good to pass up, since Napoleon was really in a bad situation, and if Americans wanted to hate him for it later, they could throw him out. Meanwhile, they had a great gift. Lincoln, Wilson, FDR, Kennedy, Johnson, Bush and Obama all have exploited the state of exception.

So, crank up the pressure. Napolitano needs to resign or be fired. There needs to be a ton of noise that keeps cranking up until she's gone. Otherwise, I think we all know how DHS's incorrect focus of resources will eventually catch up with us. God help us if we allow another 9/11 because we didn't scream loud enough at this corrupt government.

149 Travis,

Noticed your hash, another tragedy.  Too many Lady4 rejoinders.

We all have our crosses to bear.
Posted by: Hongqi

Christ man am I being outed by hobo hunters? It's my feminine side emerging.

Seriously my hash ID keeps changing but I notice that isn't the case with others. Is that common, or what?

150 I'm calling for Janet Whatshername to resign.

151 I want to see who came up with the report, who wrote it and what did they base their info on?

I'm sensing the pimp hand of Morris Dees at work here looking to drum up some business for the SPLC with phat government "grants" to study this "problem".  The Bush years were kinda lean for Mo' and his crew what with the dire "militia threat" they touted during the Clinton years turning out to be a big bust.

152 Seriously my hash ID keeps changing but I notice that isn't the case with others. Is that common, or what?

Dynamic IP addresses, or picking up someone else's wireless network I think. Used to have that happen to me all the time, it settled down once I stopped poaching my internet from the neighbors.

I still have at least two hashes, because I use two different computers on different networks.

153 So, another 9/11 happens because we were tracking a banker in Cozad Nebraska

Posted by: HatlessHessian at April 16, 2009 11:14 PM (7r7wy)

Jeez, There's another person on the board who's heard of Cozad NE?

Regarding LGF, seems like they're in a meltdown.  It's a shame.  I used to have it as a regular stop and I learned lots about the WOT, Rathergate, Fauxtography, etc from it.  I was (still am, I guess) registered but never made more than a handful of comments because there were some very smart people who said things better than I could have, and I never found a clique to hang with.  I knew CJ was a 9/11 'conservative'.  But it seems the long suppressed 9/10 Lizard Lord is making his presence known.           

As everyone else has noted, he's gone off the rails recently.  I never followed the Atlas Shrugged blogwar, and with the creationism/evolution thing he's more of a zealot for evolution than any creationist I know.  He's showing a very vindictive side.

I don't care enough to actually follow it, but I wonder how this is impacting his page views etc.  Is he losing traffic, or is he attracting an evolution crowd to replace quite a few of us who aren't spending much time there anymore.  

154 Isn't discovery always a bitch? No one wants discovery - only the foolish realizes this too late, and then we all pay...

I am so glad that SOMEONE is complaining about the DHS in an official manner. This report is absolutely a fascist era document. And watching the coverage of the tea parties...well, the "Free Press" is not doing it's job of exposing the attempts to squash dissent. Far from it - they are working, without being coerced, an behalf of fascism.

Good gravy. I hope this case makes it to the Supremes. Even Kennedy would be revolted by this abomination.

155 Dynamic IP addresses, or picking up someone else's wireless network I think. Used to have that happen to me all the time, it settled down once I stopped poaching my internet from the neighbors.

I still have at least two hashes, because I use two different computers on different networks.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur

Poaching the internet? I don't use wireless, and I only post from one computer. Weird.

156 155:  I'm telling you, Trav...it's the government.  They're CONTROLLING OUR MIIIIIINDS!

157 155:  I'm telling you, Trav...it's the government.  They're CONTROLLING OUR MIIIIIINDS!

Posted by: The Famous Mo-Pissed Off Conservative

Startin to believe it.

158 anne writes:
>Jeez, There's another person on the board who's heard of Cozad NE?

Drove through there again last August, coming back from northwestern Wyoming.

Interesting thread on LGF vs. Atlas Shrugged. I've stayed out of that - both seem to have their contributions to a greater understanding of things, and like all of us, both have their error/noise. If they're sincere to their advocacy, they'll realize we have greater threats to face than each other. If not, then they're not true.

We've got a President who's preparing to re-orient the entire US Federal Government to be a weapon of tyranny as he attempts to please those who influenced and inspired him on the anarchist left. I don't take Obama as an evil man, but as an inexperienced fool who's being played. If we don't focus on giving this threat serious opposition and awakening an equally worthless Republican party, or replacing it with viable opposition, we're in trouble. Just my perspective. Again, I hope I'm being consistent in my advocacy here -- we have limited resources to use and focus. Obama is shifting them against non-threats, which will cause real threats to get through. LGF vs. Atlas Shrugged is a distraction we can't afford to have either. Focus!

159 Pardon my n00biness, but wtf is LGF?

160 Posted by: HatlessHessian

I don't think LGF is going to be on the side of the good guys in any showdown. He is positioning himself for a return to the leftist fold IMHO.

161 Pardon my n00biness, but wtf is LGF?

Posted by: The Famous Mo-Pissed Off Conservative

LGF= Little Green Footballs. Run by Charles Johnson a 911 shocked liberal who is growing increasingly hostile to former conservative allies.

162 Ahhhhhh, gotcha.  Thankee, Trav!  I was looking at that thinking "What the hell does that have to do with Lions Gate Films?"

163 Re: #38 - thank you for linking that.

As for Napolitano.... I've despised her since she came into power in AZ.  Probably before, since I seem to think I've known who she is for 14 years.  The entire time she was gov, all she did was run around to PBS and badmouth Arpaio and anyone who disagreed with her.  Now that she's in a national position, it's harder to hide from her opponents - as the knowledge of this report now proves.  I'm wondering how many people who voted for her are now realizing just how horrible she is.

164 dial-up's are almost always dynamic, universities are almost all dynamic, those are the only ones I can think of.

165

Oh boy, I'm going to have to turn myself in. it looks as though I'm a threat to my country because I believe in smaller, local government oner federal government and I went to a couple of gun shows. Is there a place where I can go? Do they have the reeducation camps set-up yet?

/sarc.

I'd love to se what's in the classified report. Does anybody know when the New York Times or Senator Leahe is expected to leak it?

166 HatlessHessian, I keep reading that the report was being prepared for a year, (started by the Bush administration in other words), although that sounds like b.s. to me. Why would such a shoddy, highly politicized report take that long to throw together?

But people like AJ Strata are pissed at conservatives, in fact, he's actively distancing himself from conservatives because he doesn't appreciate how they're treating the brave, and honorable folks who work at the DHS. You can go read the posts he's written about it. On the "Not a conservative, anymore" post he comments on why the report was so vague:

There are ongoing activities inside the government which caused this report to be made less specific.

The report needed to tip off law enforcement and not tip off others and impact these activities. Guess what - the drama queens made sure that failed. Now certain groups are aware of certain interests. Let’s hope this doesn’t screw things up.

Want to know something? These facts are well known by the same conservative bloggers I broke ranks with. Malkin has been made aware of this, she is hiding it from her readers. She slandered the good people at DHS, accusing them of negligence and abuse of power, and she knows her claims are false. She just is not going to apologize for her mistake. So far none of them are, but I am not surfing their sites today.

I don't know, enlighten me.

167

It is interesting how much the left has managed to distract us since 9/11 from the real and ongoing threat of radical Islam. Ignoring a group of people because it is not politically correct to shine a spotlight on their actions will probably end badly for us in this case.

If it weren't for Atlas Shrugs and MyPetJawa I wouldn't know how off the rails things have gotten around the world vis a vis Muslims. Nor would I have known about some of the things happening right here in the US with regard to jihad.

Most Americans who passively consume news via CNN, MSNBC, NPR etc. have absolutely no idea how serious a threat Islam is to us. But, I would be willing to be every one of them can spout some talking point about the threats from "right-wing nutjobs."

It's not good to ignore the guy with the suicide vest right in front of you to focus on the guy with a copy of the Constitution behind him just because the vest guy is non-caucasian and the paper guy is white.

168 There are ongoing activities inside the government which caused this report to be made less specific.

The report needed to tip off law enforcement and not tip off others and impact these activities. Guess what - the drama queens made sure that failed. Now certain groups are aware of certain interests. Let’s hope this doesn’t screw things up.

Posted by: NIce Deb

AJ Strata doesn't really explain why the earlier report regarding left-wing activity does get specific. Are they not concerned about tipping off leftists? Thousands of Islamic acts of terror have taken place, and there is a far greater threat from that quarter than the right, and yet the reports issued regarding them in the previous years are not rendered so vague.

It's the 'I could tell you, but then I would have to kill you' argument. He sounds like he is fishing for a cheap excuse to distance himself from an inconvenient and sinking conservative ship. Charles Johnson and others are doing the same.

169 Sorry that was Travis not Kathleen Parker.

170 Seriously my hash ID keeps changing but I notice that isn't the case with others. Is that common, or what?

If they stay the same while you're on a session but change after you've closed your browser or logged off, it sounds like you're clearing your cookies each time.

171 Simple, Travis.  Because there AREN'T any actual right-wing extremist groups.  There are a handful of nutjobs who claim to be right-wing, while we actual right-wingers are constantly telling them "Ahhhhhhhhhhno.  No you aren't.  That's not how we roll.  Now knock that shit off."

172 If they stay the same while you're on a session but change after you've closed your browser or logged off, it sounds like you're clearing your cookies each time.

Posted by: kbdabear

Yeah, that's a habit with me. I should put this site in exemption. Thanks.

173 Simple, Travis.  Because there AREN'T any actual right-wing extremist groups.  There are a handful of nutjobs who claim to be right-wing, while we actual right-wingers are constantly telling them "Ahhhhhhhhhhno.  No you aren't.  That's not how we roll.  Now knock that shit off."

Posted by: The Famous Mo-Pissed Off Conservative

Yeah, but everyone on the left desperately wants there to be this great right-wing threat to justify their agenda. The so-called moderates will rush left as Obama secures more and more power and fair-weather conservatives will suddenly find reasons to become centrists.

174 If by Rudyard Kipling

If you can keep your head when all about you
Are losing theirs and blaming it on you;
If you can trust yourself when all men doubt you,
But make allowance for their doubting too;
If you can wait and not be tired by waiting,
Or, being lied about, don't deal in lies,
Or, being hated, don't give way to hating,
And yet don't look too good, nor talk too wise;

If you can dream - and not make dreams your master;
If you can think - and not make thoughts your aim;
If you can meet with triumph and disaster
And treat those two imposters just the same;
If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken
Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools,
Or watch the things you gave your life to broken,
And stoop and build 'em up with wornout tools;

If you can make one heap of all your winnings
And risk it on one turn of pitch-and-toss,
And lose, and start again at your beginnings
And never breath a word about your loss;
If you can force your heart and nerve and sinew
To serve your turn long after they are gone,
And so hold on when there is nothing in you
Except the Will which says to them: "Hold on";

If you can talk with crowds and keep your virtue,
Or walk with kings - nor lose the common touch;
If neither foes nor loving friends can hurt you;
If all men count with you, but none too much;
If you can fill the unforgiving minute
With sixty seconds' worth of distance run -
Yours is the Earth and everything that's in it,
And - which is more - you'll be a Man my son!

175 Travis, like I said; now is the time for the real conservatives in the party to take over.  We need to grab these fair weather RINO bastards and remind them that if they don't start doing their fucking jobs, they won't HAVE their jobs.

I think they've started figuring out that they've screwed up.  I mean, Jesus, look at the state of the country!  The economy's in the toilet, our allies are pissed, our enemies are laughing their turbans off, gun sales are up and they've just equated every returning military vet with a domestic terrorist.  We've lost so many seats in the House that the GOP could call in sick for a month and no one would notice.  Thanks to douchebags like Specter and Snowe, that thinly-held filibuster count is gone, especially since the liberal scum in Minnesota just handed the Senate seat to Stuart frickin' Smalley.  We've got a tax cheat in charge of the IRS, our Secretary of State helped cover up for her serial rapist husband while completely shitting on our impeachment laws, the head of DHS has declared anyone disagreeing with Obama a potential terrorist, and then there's Obama himself and God Almighty, it would take DAYS to list all the shit he's pulled in just the last two months!

Even a psycho Troll doll like Ron Paul can recognize that the GOP has seriously fucked up.  We need to micromanage these fools and get them on the right track again.  Carrot and stick: beat them with a stick and tell them to straighten up or we'll shove the carrot up their asses.

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Every time the left wants to identify a “right wing hate group” they trot out Timothy McFucknuts and the cabal of associated skin heads and neo-nazis. The MSM gladly obliges then and even some supposed “conservatives” will agree with them. The fact is that Nazism and Fascism are both subcategories of socialism and are therefore part of the left.

 

As for the lawsuit and a judge throwing it out as frivolous, when was the last time that happened? That DC judge with the “missing” pants is a prime example of one that should have been thrown out but instead it bankrupted a cleaning business with litigation costs.

 

That being said, since this is a “liberal” being sued they probably will throw it out. Just like they threw out the suit against Mad Dog Murtha based on really specious grounds.

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If you support the 2nd Amendment, if you are pro-life, if you are upset about the economy, if you are unhappy with Obortion bowing to the Saudi King, if you feel the government is not acting in our country's best interests, if you don't accept that the Constitution is a "living, breathing entity", if you have misgivings about the president's cabinet being filled with tax cheats, if you blame the left for our current financial crisis, if you don't like the high cost of gasoline, if you don't agree with Al Gore and the AGW crowd...if you hold ONE of these beliefs, you may be considered a terrorist?

I am a one man terror cell when you look at it that way.

178

Speaking of frivolous lawsuits that don’t get thrown out, how about this one?

 

Columbia High School Student sue Sanford over stimulus.

 

When you read down into the story you note several things. First, they somehow managed to bypass all the lower courts and go straight to the State Supreme Court. Second, she is being represented by lawyer Dick Harpootlian who is the former SC Dem Chairman.

 

They maintain that it “hurts SC education” to not take the money. I am waiting for someone to remind them that the “education stimulus” can only be used for hiring “new” teachers and principles in “economically disadvantaged” school. Since SC now funds schools with property tax and Columbia schools have NEVER been economically disadvantaged this case doesn’t have a leg to stand on.

 

But the SC Supremes not only took it, but they told the State AG to expedite response. Folks, the fix is in.

179

What about a class action suit backed by all conservatives?

 

180

Appreciate your take on this, Gabriel.

Really good post.

181 "But the Constitution doesn't provide a constitutional right to have the government not say things that might be considered criticism."

Hmmm, but is provide a "constitutional right" for gays to be married, women to kill babies, rights for non-citizens, flag burning etc etc, it is amazing what you can find in their. WoW!

182 while Rich Lowry was relaying the Bush line on the TARP bailouts, Savage was correctly telling folks exactly what was going to happen with the whole mess.  Savage was right as he quite often is on these matters.  So he's a nut that's right most of the time while they are calm level headed "conservatives" who get it wrong.  Savage was correct on a lot more issues in the recent election and the Obama Administration than Brooks, Frum, Parker etc.

183 (WSJ) Veterans a Focus of FBI Extremist Probe  
 
The Federal Bureau of Investigation earlier this year launched a nationwide operation targeting white supremacists and "militia/sovereign-citizen extremist groups," including a focus on veterans from Iraq and Afghanistan, according to memos sent from bureau headquarters to field offices.  
 
The initiative, dubbed Operation Vigilant Eagle, was outlined in February, two months before a memo giving a similar warning was issued on April 7 by the Department of Homeland Security.  
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The documents outlining Operation Vigilant Eagle cite a surge in activity by such groups. The memos say the FBI's focus on veterans began as far back as December, during the final weeks of the Bush administration, when the bureau's domestic counterterrorism division formed a special joint working group with the Defense Department.  
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The FBI said in the memo that its conclusion about a surge in such activities was based on confidential sources, undercover operations, reporting from other law-enforcement agencies and publicly available information. The memo said the main goal of the multipronged operation was to get a better handle on "the scope of this emerging threat." The operation also seeks to identify gaps in intelligence efforts surrounding these groups and their leaders.

184

Wait - this *is* the same Thomspn - right?

4/19/2005

Congressman Thompson Calls for the Department of Homeland Security to do More to Fight Right-Wing Domestic Terrorists

 

Washington, DC — Congressman Bennie G. Thompson (D-MS), Ranking Member of the House Committee on Homeland Security, and other House Democratic Members, held a teleconference today to address the Department of Homeland Security’s failure to better target domestic terrorist groups on the 10-year anniversary of the bombing of the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City, Oklahoma. During the call, Congressman Thompson raised concerns about the Department’s failure to reassess the threat posed by right-wing domestic terrorists. He stressed the need for the Department to revise its long-term planning to address this risk.

Congressman Thompson stated, “As the Department of Homeland Security
implements a plan to focus on risk as a means of allocating scarce anti-terrorism resources, it must consider the threat that right-wing domestic terrorists pose to critical infrastructure and America. It must re-define what it considers to be critical infrastructure by re-evaluating the risk that right-wing domestic terrorist’s pose to schools, large churches, or other public places. Better coordination and sharing of information between the FBI and DHS may be necessary in order to evaluate these risks.”

185 Something else to consider: this document could be a 'warning shot' to conservatives dems...STAY ON THE PLANTATION, OR ELSE.  And no, I'm not talking about Joe & Jane Lunchbox [the Regan Democrats]; I'm talking about the 'blue dogs'.  The same ones who are displaying skittishness as the scope of DL's 'new foundation for America'.

An additional point: I also want the FULLEST discovery possible.  Why?  Because this administration has crossed over a major red line: labeling veterans as 'persons of interest.'  While the military prides itself as apolitical, we are human.  Just because I never really discussed politics while I wore the uniform doesn't mean I didn't pay attention to what was going on back home.  I don't think things have changed that much since I left...admittedly an assumption on my part.

While I can't speak for anybody else but myself, my service wasn't about a paycheck [although getting paid is nice...], or the benefits [such as they were...], or the potential of a pension; it was about service.  It was about 'giving back' to the nation that gave my parents the opportunity, in spite of the fact that they were a] not born here, b] came from a nation that was, 7 years earlier, doing it's best to kill Americans, to begin anew.

That was a debt I took personally, and assumed it gladly.  I never regretted that choice, ever; regardless of cost to me.  The implied context of that DHS document that I could be a threat to the Republic, and the Constitution [which I personally view as utterly inseparable...], after swearing an oath of loyalty to same, an insufferable insult.  But that's just me.

Yeah, I know the story about OKC Timmy.  I also remember the Unabomber, and the literary masterpiece that set him on his path...right Al Gore?  Is DHS going to watch him?  I'm not holding my breath waiting for an answer to that question.

And there's another point not yet discussed: if it's necessary to 'monitor' ex-servicemen, why stop there?

This last point I raise very reluctantly.  Mainly because the implications are very, very dark; yeah, I want discovery.

I also want Napolitano's political head on a spike, that report burned and everyone who contributed to it's content exposed to the light of day.

Forgive me if I take this matter personally.

186 The Federal Bureau of Investigation earlier this year launched a nationwide operation targeting white supremacists and "militia/sovereign-citizen extremist groups," including a focus on veterans from Iraq and Afghanistan, according to memos sent from bureau headquarters to field offices. 

What I'm wondering is if these "militia extremists" are just a bunch of  vets and gun enthusiests who love their country, love talking about their guns, and sometimes talk about defending themselves if they see their freedoms threatened (like when Obama's well funded civilian army comes to get them)...the kind of talk we've all seen in conservative forums and comment sections. There is a lot of understandable paranoia out there that's based on things Obama has actually said, or has promised to do. So maybe it's not even paranoia.

Skinheads and neo nazis, I don't associate with the right wing, any more than I associate the Westboro Baptist Church with the right wing. They vote Democrat.

187 That first paragraph was supposed to be italicized.

You should all be familiar with the *issues* with Ace's italics thingy. It has to be the last thing you do, or your whole comment gets italicized.

Sooo frustrating.

188

Here's what I want to know, Professor Kerr: why the fuck is the government criticizing citzens?  Even if we don't have a right to avoid criticism, why the fuck is the government criticizing us?  Answer me that.  Citizens criticize the government sure, but how ass-backwards is it that citizens can be criticized by the government?  That's terrifying. 

Sorry if someone pointed this out already, but there are a lot of comments, and I only read some of them. 

189

You know, I get kinda uncomfortable with all the negative talk about LGF. I think it kinda puts Ace in a spot. He doesnt want to have to tell us to knock it off, and Charles has always linked funny stuff here at the HQ, and to my knowledge has always been an HQ supporter. I used to really enjoy LGF, but around late 2006-07, I stated noticing a pattern of what I'll call "Frum" commenters. Always worried about how "moderates" were going to react to someone on the right they(LGF) didnt agree with. It really seems now that every other poster is trying to race to see who can swing from Charles' nuts the most, i.e. " Great job, Charles!", "Excellent point, Charles!", "Way to go, Charles!", " I agree, Charles! Creationists are stupid! "

One thing though, Charles did a really good job with the Rather memos. He was, for a long time, the go to guy for his work on CAIR, etc. Some of his newer commenters however, are as elitist and fucking annoying as any of the left wing assholes.

190 I read through this thread late last night and came back and revisited today.

I'd like to thank Hatless Hession for his clear thoughts and reasoning.  Focusing limited resources on a supposed domestic conservative threat will indeed usher in the real deal from those  who have demonstrated beyond a resonable doubt that they do indeed wish us dead.

Whether the DHS/ O administration are arrogantly ignorant or just plain evil is of no importance when the end result is the same.  However, I personally believe evil exists, and that we are looking directly into the  face of the beast.

191

  I think DHS lifted info from the frothing lefty Southern Poverty Law Center ($PLC).

I've seen the name "Brian Marcus" as a possible author.

192 Weird, I actually went along with this law and followed it to the extent of my abilities.

I e-mailed my Senators and my Representative informing them that I myself met most of the criteria for these thought crimes; and to help the staffing issues of the DHS tracking down both threats and performing political duties; I would submit myself to a parole officer to watch my good behavior for my clear and present danger due to my horrific thought crimes against the nation.

Otherwise they might get sidetracked on their political goals and fail to watch for actual threats.  I figured doing my part might free up people to look for actual threats instead of performing political goals.

They haven't gotten back to me yet... they must be busy or something.

193 Oh... in case i was unclear.  My previous post was in no manner sarcasm.  I did e-mail both my senators and my representative; through their websites.

And the text of my e-mail to them was longer, but generally summarized by the previous comment.  Seriously.  Of course if they take my communications to them seriously, that'll be a surprise.

I'm not a threat, but I am clearly in violation of numerous "thoughtcrimes".

I am now, and have been in the past a "Libertarian sympathizer" and may in fact be a Libertarian myself... I should be watched, for the good of the nation for my political opinions.  Who knows what I might do.

Heck, I might even try to vote for someone who could reduce the size of the Federal Government and return powers to the States.  Clearly I need watching.

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