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Shut Up, They Explained: Andrew Klavan on the Left's Favorite Argument

Creeping shut-uppery.

Funny vid, and true. Worth a watch.

Thanks to Locus. (Fixed hat-tip.)

Posted by: Ace at 11:01 AM



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1 hilarious

Posted by: Anti-Harkonnen Freedom Fighter at April 10, 2009 11:13 AM (5r0Tz)

2 Remarkably well done. Bravo, Mr. Klavan!

Posted by: MCPO Airdale at April 10, 2009 11:14 AM (l51zO)

3 Good video. Kind of like Barney Frank to the Harvard student...shut up and sit down. Pretty much says it all.

Posted by: dixegal at April 10, 2009 11:16 AM (jrxE7)

4 Okay, that was awesome!

His voice reminds me of the guys they had in the 70's & 80's to narrate the "educational" film strips and movies we were shown in grade school. 

Of course, at the time, I had no idea why we were shown these apparently random assortment of films.  Looking back on it, I have to say I'm kind of surprised that so many of my teachers were apparently getting so wasted on a school night that they rolled in simply unable to cope with daylight.


Posted by: Deety at April 10, 2009 11:18 AM (1jglO)

5
It's true. Just listen to the latest from Charles Rangle and Chuck Schumer. Both of those cocksuckers don't think they have to answer to anybody.

Posted by: Darling, you know at April 10, 2009 11:19 AM (QmHS/)

6 Via Instapundit - Here (http://tinyurl.com/c7ustf) is an article by a lefty explaining the Tea Party movement, or in other words, Shut Up!

Posted by: Eric at April 10, 2009 11:19 AM (3f3uN)

7 Seeing it more and more in the local fishwrapper.  'All you conservatives just shut up!'.  Not only is 'dissent is no longer patriotic, but the 1st Amendment is no longer operative.  Coinsidence?

Posted by: GarandFan at April 10, 2009 11:21 AM (Thc2c)

8 Very good, very well expressed. Twice I've seen his work mentioned at AoS, and twice he's hit home runs. Is he always this good?

Posted by: t-bird at April 10, 2009 11:22 AM (FcR7P)

9 Goldstein's only been saying this for frickin' ever.

Posted by: Charybdis E. Scylla at April 10, 2009 11:26 AM (ATBwB)

10 Excellent

Posted by: Biscuiteater at April 10, 2009 11:26 AM (2JF/+)

11 Can't we just let Barry eat his waffles in peace?

Posted by: eddiebear at April 10, 2009 11:27 AM (wnU1W)

12 Anyone seen the photo of Obama and Hilary "busy" at work at the picnic table on Sasha's playground? Imagine Bush seen doing this with Condi. Latenight would have a field day. Oh yeah. shut. up.

Posted by: dixegal at April 10, 2009 11:32 AM (jrxE7)

13

Just listen to the latest from Charles Rangle....

Hey Darling,   "Why don't you just mind your own god damned bidnessa"

 

Posted by: King Charles at April 10, 2009 11:32 AM (hAHMG)

14 This is basically what the maverick's daughter is saying to the "radicals" in the GOP.

Posted by: rockhead at April 10, 2009 11:34 AM (DvaIL)

15 Good one

Posted by: Vic at April 10, 2009 11:36 AM (f6os6)

16 Again, I call for Andrew Klavan to become the head of the RNC.

Posted by: elliot m at April 10, 2009 11:39 AM (13Ugm)

17 This is SO not what I do.

I mean, if I were an Axelturfer, instead of the staunch conservative Republican Reagan conservative Republican I am.

Posted by: androsbot 2987 at April 10, 2009 11:40 AM (F5+6C)

18 Klavan sat for an interview with Peter Robinson at NRO's "Uncommon Knowledge" thingee.  Very insightful, smart and funny author of several best-selling novels.  Recommended viewing.

Posted by: Fred at April 10, 2009 11:48 AM (u8Nv2)

19 Excellent!

One point though : I though Net Neutrality is intended to protect against any interference by service providers as to what content they transmitted (at the behest of their clients)? ie. the opposite of what Klavan said.  ?

Posted by: o.u. at April 10, 2009 11:53 AM (pTVwf)

20 Perhaps it is indeed time for us to 'shut up' - I'm told that actions speak louder than words.  And 5.56 or .308 speak louder than most actions.

Posted by: Reactionary at April 10, 2009 11:53 AM (H7yZC)

21 BRILLIANT

Posted by: Big Daddy at April 10, 2009 11:55 AM (ZB+Vj)

22 the opposite of what Klavan said.  ?

There are different versions of net neutrality. One version does what he says - it tries to enforce equal time on commentary sites. another version wants to make sure that traffic isn't tiered - ie some traffic getting more priority than others.

Either version, in reality, should be opposed. The latter - making government tell private business that they cannot control their intertubes - is just a step towards the actual intent; which is to control the medium.

Posted by: lorien1973 at April 10, 2009 11:58 AM (IhQuA)

23 Our local fish wrap had a wonderful editorial today saying that this November the voters should punish the Republicans here in Virginia for turning down $125 million in "stimulus" money.  Fuck em.
http://tinyurl.com/ddhz3p

Posted by: mrcaniac at April 10, 2009 12:02 PM (Rbulg)

24 French are showing us up re pirates:

PARIS, April 11 -- Helicopter-borne French troops swooped in on Somali pirates Friday after they freed 30 hostages from a yacht, seizing six of the hijackers and recovering sacks of money -- apparently ransom paid by the ship's owners.

The pirates had boarded the 288-foot French luxury yacht a week ago, capturing its mostly French crew off the coast of Somalia in the Gulf of Aden. Pirates seized more than two dozen vessels off the Somali coast last year.

Gen. Jean-Louis Georgelin, chief of staff of France's armed forces, said the pirates released the hostages after negotiating with the ship's owner. That phase of the operation was calm, with no weapons fired, he said. The hostages were brought to safety and the pirates went ashore.

After the pirates were on Somali territory, a French attack helicopter chased a vehicle carrying some of them, firing to destroy its engine, the general said.


Posted by: Anti-Harkonnen Freedom Fighter at April 10, 2009 12:07 PM (5r0Tz)

25 Yes, this is really great work... but I thought his voice seemed unnatural and poorly synched.

Posted by: sherlock at April 10, 2009 12:09 PM (cq3pU)

26 Pfft...the French. The American crew took back their own ship. It is Obama who doesn't have the balls to do anything other than vote "present" and hold pizza parties.

Posted by: Captain Crunch at April 10, 2009 12:14 PM (RUzMf)

27 According to his bio on his website, he has lived among the hobos. Perhaps he has some insights to this remarkable prey.

Posted by: Big Daddy at April 10, 2009 12:21 PM (ZB+Vj)

28 Klavan sat for an interview with Peter Robinson at NRO's "Uncommon Knowledge" thingee.

Yeah, I keep forgetting which website has those interviews and have to wait for a commenter to mention NRO. Be sure to check out the recent Richard Epstein interviews too for a fantastic overview of the current legal/economic situation. Epstein is incandescent. He is the kind of scholar that I would absolutely hate if he were a leftie because he is can speak extemporaneously with authority and mind-crushing intelligence.

Posted by: Chimney Sweep #8 at April 10, 2009 12:31 PM (kIjlp)

29 9 Goldstein's only been saying this for frickin' ever.

Orwell's Goldstein or PW's Jeff?

Posted by: mikey at April 10, 2009 12:36 PM (fvlUJ)

30 with my poetry, I think they would tell me shut the fuck up.

Posted by: Biscuiteater at April 10, 2009 12:41 PM (2JF/+)

31 Reactionary: If you're implying that we should stop putting forth our viewpoints with strong arguments and start shooting people then you've come to the wrong place. Aren't using bullets against the political opposition the ultimate "shut up?" Are you stoopid or just crazy?

Klavan's totally right though. I've seen this tactic used ad naseum even in personal discussions. They have the right to make any outrageous argument they want to, but immediately object to your right to speak on various and sundry ludicrous ground. I.e. "Shut up."

Posted by: mr.frakypants at April 10, 2009 12:43 PM (xRFM4)

32 He is the kind of scholar that I would absolutely hate if he were a leftie because he is can speak extemporaneously with authority and mind-crushing intelligence.

Uhm, if he were a leftie wouldn't that automatically rule out the whole authority and mind-crushing intelligence thing?

It's no accident that the left has been reduced to shut-uppery.

Posted by: Deety at April 10, 2009 12:43 PM (1jglO)

33 shut up

Posted by: Biscuiteater at April 10, 2009 12:46 PM (2JF/+)

34 lorien1973: "The latter - making government tell private business that they cannot control their intertubes - is just a step towards the actual intent; which is to control the medium"

I don't quite get this. One of the great things about the internet is that traffic from small sites, a blog, say, has equal priority to traffic from giant organisations. ie. once a packet of information is on the info highway, it is given equal routing priority to all other packets, whatever its provenance.

Surely this is a good thing ?

Posted by: o.u. at April 10, 2009 12:53 PM (pTVwf)

35 Perfect delivery. Totally awesome. Someone get this guy on the RNC payroll.

Posted by: Warden at April 10, 2009 12:54 PM (KXbGD)

36 Uhm, if he were a leftie wouldn't that automatically rule out the whole authority and mind-crushing intelligence thing?

That would imply we're being beaten by a bunch of rubes, which isn't the case. Ya, Lefties, ha-ha, "they's stoopid" is fun for blog material but this multi-decade project the Left has undertaken to turn us into a mirror of Europe was lead by some very smart assholes.

Posted by: Chimney Sweep #8 at April 10, 2009 12:54 PM (kIjlp)

37 that guy needs to SHUT UP!

Posted by: obamatron at April 10, 2009 12:55 PM (RxUMK)

38 I don't quite get this. One of the great things about the internet is that traffic from small sites, a blog, say, has equal priority to traffic from giant organisations. ie. once a packet of information is on the info highway, it is given equal routing priority to all other packets, whatever its provenance.

Surely this is a good thing ?

Posted by: o.u.

Then the government decides that women, minorities, and their representative organizations like the ACLU and ACORN should get a higher priority due to historical grievances.

Posted by: Travis at April 10, 2009 01:11 PM (+JP4j)

39 Whycome the Fagtivists don't shut their cockholes about Ghey Marriage?

Seems fair, no?

Posted by: Alec Leamas at April 10, 2009 01:11 PM (AlKlj)

40 This explanation proves how Bush and McCain and much of the GOP leadership are liberals.

Bush to those who wanted the borders protected: "You are racist." IOW: "Shut up."

McCain to those who used Hussein: "You're unAmerican." IOW: "Shut up."

The RINO's to conservatives: "You're extremists."
IOW: "Shut up."


Posted by: Diogenes at April 10, 2009 01:13 PM (pAYuN)

41 #36

Demagoguery and telling people they can have stuff "for free" by taxing the rich isn't that intelligent. In fact, the "free" part (see Bastiat's discussion of the seen and unseen effects of economic policies) is an outright lie. Don't have to be smart to lie, although being an asshole helps. I'd say the "project" was led by some assholes with one insight into human nature that can't be denied (people will vote for you if you promise them something for free, even if you don't quite define free in all its ramifications). Saying that Obama's increased tax rates and higher debt service costs will decrease capital formation such that in a generation the economy will be about 20% smaller than it would have otherwise been will be met with a "Whaa?" from the average Dem voter. I'm pretty sure the average GOP voter only really "gets" that argument on a gut level, as well.

Posted by: Joey Joe Joe at April 10, 2009 01:21 PM (JB+12)

42 #31
Reactionary: If you're implying that we should stop putting forth our viewpoints with strong arguments and start shooting people then you've come to the wrong place. Aren't using bullets against the political opposition the ultimate "shut up?" Are you stoopid or just crazy?

It depends. If governance and policy are driven by compromise that, while not giving one side or the other exactly what it wants, is still in the country's long-term interests, then the "bullet" answer is wrong. In other words, if "shut up" is followed by a grudging acceptance that you have a point and the inclusion of that viewpoint in the end-product, OK. "Shut up" in that instance is insulting, but has little practical impact.

On the other hand, "I won" and "Shut up" and "No you can't help write the stimulus bill" are examples of "Shut up" being both insulting and having the practical impact of blowing out the budget so that everyone will be longing for the days of Clintonesque tax hikes, to say nothing of how badly some of the policies will screw up our day-to-day lives.

Thucydides, as astute an observer of reality as anyone who's ever lived, said that when two sides of a political dispute can't agree on the definitions of basic terms, there can be no progress. A typical leftist and I do not agree on the term "fair" or "justice" or "progress" or "rights" or anything. At that point, what really is left to discuss?

Posted by: Joey Joe Joe at April 10, 2009 01:46 PM (JB+12)

43 PARIS, April 11 -- Helicopter-borne French troops swooped in on Somali pirates Friday after they freed 30 hostages from a yacht, seizing six of the hijackers and recovering sacks of money -- apparently ransom paid by the ship's owners.

French commandos taking it to pirates while our own navy sits and waits for Teleprompter to finish his waffle.

We are in the Bizarro World

Posted by: kbdabear at April 10, 2009 01:58 PM (miw86)

44 Heh, I saw this earlier linked at InstaP and thought about forwarding the link myself; figured you'd already seen it (or would soon enough).

Definitely worth watching; well worth 5 minutes of time.

Posted by: Gekkobear at April 10, 2009 02:24 PM (X0NX1)

45

31 Reactionary: If you're implying that we should stop putting forth our viewpoints with strong arguments and start shooting people then you've come to the wrong place. Aren't using bullets against the political opposition the ultimate "shut up?" Are you stoopid or just crazy?

The comment could, perhaps, have benefitted from greater elaboration - mainly it was intended as an "oh yeah - well if we can't talk, then..."

The intent I see in this "shut up" business that the Leftists are pushing is that the Right will be silenced, whether voluntarily or by coercion.  If they get their way they will be like every other Leftist regime - brutal, thugish and oppressive.  And murderous.  No opposing view will be tolerated.  We've already seen how quick they are to toss the Constitution out the window - they do not believe we have the RIGHT to object to any of their policies or view points.  They have no trouble advocating infanticide and involuntary euthanasia of the elderly.  Worse was advocated often enough during the Bush years - we've all heard it.  It's a warning sign - what are they NOT willing to admit too openly?  I think we all know.  There's a reason why they want so badly to disarm us - it has nothing to do with enhancing our safety.

So - I feel that if they plan to make us be quiet, whether we like it or not, we should make it clear that they'd best be ready for the only alternative we'll have left to "participate" in the political process.  And they should be reminded - we'd win.

Posted by: Reactionary at April 10, 2009 03:39 PM (H7yZC)

46 It's a high fly right to center... It might be gone.... It is, it's OUTTA here!!!

Perfect.

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Posted by: iui at April 10, 2009 06:43 PM (N15ZJ)

48 I had no idea there were different versions of Net Neutrality running around. Of course I'm against the fairness doctrine version, but the other one, I'm not so sure.

Since the gummint got involved with telecoms since the beginning of internet, everything is fuzzy. The govt basically installed local monopolies for broadband and such in everyone's neighborhoods, meaning little to no competition, which is still true today. Which of course leads to the telecoms thinking they can do whatever to your connection, including charging the same amount, plus more if you would like to pay more.

This simple fact gets the usually libertarianish techies in a twist, because they are both pissed at the govt for getting involved, and for how the telecoms naturally are taking advantage of the situation. For the future of the internet, I'm not quite sure what we should do, because I think it would be nice to get a guarentee of quality on the internet.... even though I do like the essential freedoms we get out here otherwise.

Posted by: Scandi Dirt at April 10, 2009 07:30 PM (qyL93)

49

The Left cannot advance arguments.  They have no content or logic so they always appeal to emotion, greed, class envy and race.

 

Shut up is their favorite response.  Obama is the king of this.

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