1 Bolton is a rare example of clear headed and commonsense that is sadly lacking at the upper levels of US government.  Unfortunately there are few leaders like him.  He was great at State's INR Bureau.

2 Just a suggestion for the Cocksucker-In-Chief. While it would display his utter impotence which is already evident to anyone who looks, he could win some props if the just came out and said "Look, whaddya want me to do? Invade? I won. I'm gonna do what I like... read from TOTUS."

3 President Barack Obama declared that such an action would be "provocative."

A low-cut bikini is "provocative". This was an attempt at intimidation if not an act of war.

4 As Biden said, Obama has been "tested".....and found wanting.  Big surprise.

5 Interpreters in Iran, North Korea, Russia, China, and several other rogue nations are burning the midnight oil trying to make sure that they are able to translate the word "pussy" correctly when called upon to express their leader's opinion of the new American administration. And by extension, America.

6 Sternly worded letter from the U.N. to follow.

7 Every administration since the Korean war was been making this mistake (both here, in Japan, and in South Korea). The fundamental problem is that North Korea has almost nothing to lose by doing this kind of thing. They're gambling that no one will go to war over these provocations, and so far they've been exactly right.

North Korea has no economy to speak of: they exist at all only because the Chinese allow them to. Without Chinese (and South Korean) support, North Korea would be moribund in a matter of months. But China is making their own power-play in Asia right now -- they want to weaken America and gain traction themselves, and if this means supporting North Korea so be it. If China is seen as the power with leverage over the Norks and not Uncle Sam, then that's where the Japanese and South Koreans will look for diplomatic solutions.

The problem is that there really is no diplomatic solution. The only real solution is war to liberate the North, and no one wants to face that. They keep hoping some deus ex machina will appear: that Kim will drop dead, that some heretofore-unknown cabal in the Nork government takes over, or...well, maybe that aliens land and abduct the entire Nork government, maybe. That's as far as the Western powers seem to have got in terms of how to "deal" with North Korea.

And in the meantime twenty-two million North Koreans live in a nightmare from which they cannot escape.

8 When a country is controlled by a dictator, there is never a diplomatic solution. Just look at what history has taught us - Hitler, Saddam Hussein, Idi Amin, Pol Pot, etc.

9

I default to his expertise but I've always had the feeling that anything less than a complete embargo and other puntative actions that have a good chance to start a war would be considered coddling to Bolton.

10

Thus begins our new era of Unicorn Diplomacy. If we wish really, really hard and click our heels together three times, we can make the world love us and nobody will want to hurt us and we can all just get along and we can share our Skittles with everybody because after all, they're just like us, only different!

11 @4 - As Biden said, Obama has been "tested".....and found wanting.  Big surprise.

Yeah, but what scares me is that the results of this failed test are going to reverberate around the world, and the subsequent reactions by various bad actors around the world aren't going to be felt immediately. Monty pointed out a plausible scenario of how the dominos are going to fall in Asia- as in China ascendent, US waning- so long, Taiwan. As Bolton said, the Israelis now have to recognize they're on their own with Iran, so stability in the middle east is out.

I'm still betting on Pooty poot moving on Ukraine late this month or maybe early next, and the turnip in chief's latest el foldo is only solidifying that idea in my tiny brain.

All this, because some empty skulled scam artist from the south side was able to con a bunch of dolts with a facility with teleprompters and some hope and change horseshit. A hearty fuck you to the 52.

@5 - Further, how do you say "pussy" in Austrian?

12

If "Swinger" Bolton says it's wrong, it must be the right way to go.

Yeah, lets bomb N. Korea and have Seoul blasted and start shit with the Chinese and Russians.  Let's bleed America white with military conflicts.

Because the Norks fired a missile that crashed off course.

13

I think there are far bigger tests ahead for our Law Reviewer in Chief.  It's like those dreams where he's late for his Contract Law exam after having snorted coke been absent all semester.

Really, what is the Taepo Dong anyway but a scale model of Dick Cheney's cock. 

14 Semi-tangential to the topic at hand- has anyone read anything about the 2 American journalists being held by North Korea?

15

We should at least shoot these things down to spoil the sales at the Thugs of the World Arms Bizare that they where no doubt having.  It would have the same stalemate affect (nothing would happen) and the Norks would not be able to prove performance on there favorite export.  But now they (and the Iranians present) have there data to improve on and probably some down payments on some orders for the goods.

16 Posted by: icus at April 06, 2009 12:31 PM (5anS9)

Bolton never mentions a military response in the article.

So...how you doin'?

17 Well done, icus.
Like a broken clock you have once again been wrong 99.999% of the time.
But if you keep trying I'm sure you'll be right twice.

18 Another thought occurs:

The liberal line seems to be that North Korea is not a threat to the United States because they are incompetent. After all, the 2005 launch as well as this one failed; where's the danger to us?

My answer is that relying on your enemy's incompetence to protect yourself is a sure and certain route to disaster. North Korea is following a tried-and-true engineering regime in their missile making enterprise: build, test, fix problems, repeat. Sooner or later the Norks are going to get it right.

The Western world has made this mistake again and again. We ignored Pakistan's rush to the bomb because we figured they didn't have the technical expertise. We ignored Iran's nuclear program for the same reason. We assumed that Osama bin Laden was just some rag-assed terrorist who would never be a strategic threat. We assumed that the Iraqis would be so happy to have Saddam gone that they would immediately settle down and live peaceably. The Israelis figured that the Egyptians and Syrians were thoroughly humbled by their catastrophic defeat in 1968, and the Israelis were almost destroyed in the Yom Kippur war. (Most non-Israelis really don't know how very close a call this was.)

We assume, we think, we suspect, we suppose.

We underestimate our enemies at our own peril.

19 Eventually.

20

#12 = if something goes down due to NK, and people agreeing with your premise start talking about "failing to connect the dots", then we'll just serve them up a big old bowl of STFU.

21 Any kind of strike on North Korea will doom Taiwan.  The Chinese will reciprocate.

This is an issue with few good outcomes.

22 In my rich and varied fantasy world, every politician is like John Bolton.

And Dick Cheney.

23 The only signal Barry will send is an apology while waving a white flag.

24 The liberal line seems to be that North Korea is not a threat to the United States because they are incompetent. After all, the 2005 launch as well as this one failed; where's the danger to us?

This is silly.  NK is an immediate threat to Japan, South Korea, and China.  If the United States cannot maintain our post WWII commitments to a nuclear free zone we invite the Japanese and South Koreans to start their own programs.  This will create a foreign policy tsunami.  We'll have to review all of our interests in the region.

All these options favor the Chinese.

25

 Roadking at April 06, 2009 12:33 PM (O9hZZ)

If I were in a position to make decisions that would be part of my strategy. I would ramp up our missle defense +1.  I would use this as an excuse to accelerate our missle agreement with Poland , I would publicize talks to place them everywhere we can.  I would increase the number of tests we conduct, etc.   

26 There is no upper lip behind Bolton's mustache. There is only another fist.

27 WTF Capital Investments:

I wonder if China really has the military power to defeat Taiwan. I don't think they do, or at least not without taking horrendous casualties trying to do so. And this is even if the USA refused to intervene on behalf of Taiwan. The Chinese military is getting better, and might be a real threat circa 2020 or so, but right now it's a pretty poor striking instrument.

I'm not particularly fond of the isolationist model of diplomacy ("a friend to freedom anywhere, but guardian only of our own"), but there are definite advantages to it. It frees us to do business with anyone as long as they pay their bills without worrying about human-rights records or any crap like that. We don't have to worry about getting pulled into foreign wars by treaty obligations; we can just tell both sides to fight it out and have the winner call us when they're done.

It's a compelling (if amoral) daydream. It cannot work in reality, of course, but I have times when I'd like to tell the rest of the world to just fuck off and solve their own problems.

28

polynikes at April 06, 2009 12:41 PM (m2CN7)

It just makes a lot of sense to deny them the ability to test these things.  They talk big and say it would be an act of war but what are they going to do about it - the same thing we are going to do after talking big which is nothing.  All of these people on here saying "well we can't just bomb them because they shot a missile into the ocean" are missing the point.  We don't need to bomb them just contain them and prevent them from selling this stuff to the Iranians - they are the ones that we have to worry about. 

29

The Iranians will put the telemetry to good use.

Well--to use, anyway.

30 Coming up on 50 years since Sputnik-1 was launched.

Who knew such primitive technology could still cause trouble?

31 and how much do we send them in aid every year, i wonder if Joe Biden is tracking that money as well?  Hell, we are paying for the missiles, we should be able to shoot them down as well....  what better way to test the MDS than at a real, moving, enemy target....  then sit back and laugh

32

I am convinced that Obama is just clueless and has fallen into the trap of actually believing his own hype.  He reminds me of a NFL quarterback, who can throw the ball 100 yards, and scrambles like hell, might have even have won the Heisman, but in the pros he can't read a defense to save his life, has no understanding of the game at pro speed, and forgets his duties because he falls asleep during films. Case in point - Italian earthquake, we send Italy 50K and our condolences. Is it any wonder why none of the European nations took him serious last week when he asked them for help. He hears the beat but has absolutely no rhythm.

33 Coming up on 50 years since Sputnik-1 was launched.
Who knew such primitive technology could still cause trouble?

Class, this is what is known as a "non sequitur". Do you see how andros conflates two entirely unrelated things, with an implied connection that is undetectable by anyone but himself? A similar example would be: "Did you notice how tomatoes went up two cents a pound yesterday? The post office burned down two hours later!"

34

The Iranians will put the telemetry to good use.

Well--to use, anyway

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at April 06, 2009 01:04 PM (B+qrE)

 

 

Which will be countered with telepromptery on our side.

35 12

If "Swinger" Bolton says it's wrong, it must be the right way to go.

Yeah, lets bomb N. Korea and have Seoul blasted and start shit with the Chinese and Russians.  Let's bleed America white with military conflicts.

Because the Norks fired a missile that crashed off course.

Spoken like a true mouthbreathing full on retard.

36 I read that Hillary was going to be really upset.There isnt a camera or microphone that she doesn t like.Its too bad she isnt do malpractice at the Rose Law Firm.Oh wait,shes outgrown that-on the backs of taxpayers and dirty money.We re stuck with her.

37 Yes, Monty,

There is absolutely no relation whatsoever between one communist dictatorship trying to launch a low orbit satellite and another communist dictatorship trying to launch a low orbit satellite.

38 I wonder if China really has the military power to defeat Taiwan.

They probably do, but they probably will never have to. They see the US will become increasingly unable to financially support all its military commitments in the future. China's free market system will probably continue to evolve. Eventually, there will be little enough difference between Taiwan and the mainland that a merger will not seem so bad to Taiwan. An "offer they can't refuse" coupled with a backdoor acknowledgment that the US won't come to their defense will make it happen. The US will reach an accommodation with China to keep its nose out of the region.

39 Further, how do you say "pussy" in Austrian?

Same as in English: Obama.

40 I dont see anything wrong with target practice.PULL!

41  He is (linked on drudge) sending $50,000 for quake emergency relief to Italy. Yes, $50,000 USD. What? The Region 1 Director's Cut DVD of Earthquake was available?

Fucking embarrassing

42 andros:

The non sequitur was in the phrasing. The sputnik rocket was anything but "primitive". It was (and is) a highly complex, high-technology machine. And the relative sophistication (or lack thereof) of the rocket has little to do with how much trouble it can cause.

Thus the non-sequitur.

43

Barack Obama should follow his "apology tour" with a European Tour where he opens for the Dixie Chicks.

They should all wear "kick me" signs on their backs.

These policies are dangerous.  They will result in America being attacked again with perhaps even more losses than 9-11.

And ... since we've already SEEN that movie and should know how it ends - it's OUR FAULT if we forget it.

Nuff Said.

44 Man I was wrong. I didn't think anyone was that stupid.

Andros really is that stupid.

45 #41

Jumpin' Jeebus on a trampoline. What an adminstration of sodomite dunces. OT, but I saw your link, and holy crap. $50K? The Presidential Douchewaffle spends more than that in 15 minutes aboard Air Forceless One. That is staggeringly stupid from so many angles. Italy isn't poor, so it's not like they need the money. Furthermore, $50K isn't going to buy much anyway. But Barry Rainbowshanks has to make sure he looks compassionate, and pray no one will notice the gesture of the embassy in Rome was literally that... just a gesture. It may as well have been with the middle finger.

I hope Kim invites Barry to take a ride on the next Nork rocket. As a gesture of diplomatic comity, ya know.

46 Further, how do you say "pussy" in Austrian?

Try "sitzpinkler".

47 Obama is gambling that the North is so primitive it will not amount to much during his administration. He feels the Chinese will keep them under control since it is to Chinese advantage to have a loudly barking North . By stepping in once and a while they obligate the US on various issues. They have no fear of the North per se. Controlling nuclear secrets is probably over now anyway, since the cat is out of the bag. Irrational behaviour is a possibility by  the North guy but is unlikely. Most of these seemingly irrational leaders today are acting that way to get money from people they scare to keep power and stock up on Swiss Francs. Suicide is not on the agenda. In fact Obama should have said almost nothing. By going to the worthless UN he will look even more worthless, not that this bothers him and his domestic looters. He should have kept up his diplomatic groveling and not missed a bow or a scrape. Then he would have looked unflappable.

48

27 WTF Capital Investments:

I wonder if China really has the military power to defeat Taiwan. I don't think they do, or at least not without taking horrendous casualties trying to do so. And this is even if the USA refused to intervene on behalf of Taiwan. The Chinese military is getting better, and might be a real threat circa 2020 or so, but right now it's a pretty poor striking instrument.

Posted by: Monty at April 06, 2009 12:47 PM (/0a60)

That's absolutely wrong.  China has more than enough missiles to sink the entire island of Taiwan.  Not even talking about the sheer numbers of tanks, fighters, bombers they have to easily take this small target only miles off their coastline.  And ... even were you correct - even without such an offensive military machine - they still have the advantage of incredible numbers - which the Chinese have been known to use occasionnaly.  Huge numbers of losses in return for a final solution to their embarrasing "Taiwan Problem" would not concern them too much.

What HAS been of concern is the level of support the U.S. gives to Taiwan should they attempt to take it.  I predict they will take it within the next four years - we have a Cheeze Eating Surrender Monkey in the White House now and they know it.

 

49 like i said earlier, he hears the music but can't get the beat.

50

hey, quit complaining about bambi's $50,000 donation to Italy.  We, as in the USA, don't have an extra dime to give anybody.

oh, you mean that bambi gave his own money?  yeah, right.

51 ...we have a Surrender Monkey in the White House now and they know it.

1. He eats wagyu steak, not cheese. Gotta firm up those glistening pectorals.

2. Surrender monkey? RACIST!!!

52

And we see how "peaceful" the Russian intent was with the technology necessary to put Sputnik into orbit...

The degree of "primitive" vs. "advanced" technology has absolutely nothing to do with any of this.  It isn't like we're trying to prevent NK from rubbing two sticks together to make fire.  It isn't like we've set up embargos because they boldly defy international mandates that they cease all attempts to develop and perfect indoor plumbing.  And to think that big freakin' rocket is no different than proper sanitation proves that either you either exist on Mos Def levels of naivety and idiocy, or that you are simply looking to knock down your own strawmen, fully aware of their flaws.

53

We have nothing to fear from North Korea or China. No nation on earth would challenge us when we hold the unparallelled air superiority fighter, the F-22. With about 400 of those, you can dominate any conflict in the world.

So all this theorizing is pointless. Relax. We have the F-22! All is well.

54 A balance to the Norks is a nuclear Japan.  The problem has been getting the Japanese government (which seams to want nuclear capability) to get the Japanese people to having nukes in their country (albeit ours).  It took years just to be able to get one of our nuclear-powered aircraft carriers into a Japanese port.

A nuclear Japan will get the ChiComs attention on reining in Dear Leader.  The problem now is that with The One™no pressure will be placed on Japan to bring nukes into their country (Hell, he had them stand down on their defensive posture towards Dear Leader).

55 So all this theorizing is pointless. Relax. We have the F-22! All is well.

Thank Gaia our Lord Barry won't use them either. He's a man of peace!

56

I will admit right off that I am not as swift as you guys at "playing Army," I do enjoy reading your take on things, though. I will never be accused as a diplomatic person, I would have shot down the Nork missle, and have had someone over there to take out Kim, a long time ago. Those people are so poor, how hard would it be to load up a bunch of them with weapons, and let them take him out? See, I can't do the Army stategery. Anyway, just a thought, but I just got back a couple of weeks ago from Bejing. I do steel imports, and man, their businesses are sucking worse than ours, big time. One of the girls who does ordering for us over there, is truly freaked out about it. Just how much capital does China really have?

Way, way off topic, did anyone see where "Out" magazine wanted to name Matt Drudge to the power 50 list? He sent them back a emphatic e-mail saying no, he didn't like to have sex with men. They were trying to make him out himself, like they did Jodie Foster and Anderson Cooper. Seems Drudge is having none of it. Just thought it was interesting.

57

So all this theorizing is pointless. Relax. We have the F-22! All is well

I can't find where you got that quote but I assume that it was sarcastic since Gates just proposed dumping that program.

58 @5 - Further, how do you say "pussy" in Austrian?


Posted by: buster mcDissenter at April 06, 2009 12:30 PM (PgcOQ)

"Barak"

59 Here's an idea: fly a B-2 over the launch site and "accidentally" drop enough ordinance to make the site look much like the surface of the moon.

He, that's just a suggestion.

60 57
"So all this theorizing is pointless. Relax. We have the F-22! All is well"

I can't find where you got that quote but I assume that it was sarcastic since Gates just proposed dumping that program.

It doesn't matter - relax. We have anti-missile defense systems.

We have a nuclear deterrent.

We have a coherent approach towards waging the War on Terror. At least, we no longer pretend that terror is a law enforcement problem, rather than a war...

61 I can't help thinking that a Japanese nuke will be one cool device, even if it doesn't play MP3's.

62 The F-22 is being cancelled out of a sense of fairness to our mortal enemies. After all, we wouldn't want to guarantee American pilots that they are being sent into harm's way with the best possible aircraft, while the people out to kill them are fighting at a disadvantage... right???

Why, that just wouldn't be the American way!

63 Ignore it, if N.Korea finally gets it right....The Plan is:  Blame Boooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooosh!!!!!!!

64

Obama's response will make Iran, China and Russia very happy.

And happy people don't shoot their husbands.

They just don't!

65 Well sure, Elle. The question from our current posture is, do they still beat their wives?

66

Coming up on 50 years since Sputnik-1 was launched.

Dude, Sputnik was launched in 1957.  Coming up on 52 years.  You really should study up on history before you spout it.

67 Barrack "the naive one" Obama has dashboard ornament written all over him.

68 We need to send one of the Minuteman II missiles with a conventional payload to wipe out the Norks' launch facility, then send them an official message reading, "That's how you build and test an ICBM system."

69

They say in football you lose a game for every rookie on the team.  This clown has lost 'em all so far. 

Secretary of Defense Robert Gates is expected to announce today deep cuts in the U.S. missile defense program, an extraordinarily ill-advised step.

Am I dreaming?  Tell me I'm somewhere else and this is all a fib.

70 Icus, you are such a gaping pussy.

I seem to recall telling you to die in a fire. Why has that not happened?

71 As to Mr. Floofffy Pants sending $50K to Italy, we went to Italy last year about this time and the dollar was rather low. About where it is now. It took almost $2 to equal one euro. So, in reality, we just sent this once charming town $25K in USD.

Beck building a bunker does not sound so crazy now. I cannot believe this is happening and so quickly at that. Are we going to have to go back to teaching the kiddies in school to duck and cover?

Can someone name any civilization that has won a battle or its freedom from tyranny without a solid defense and aggressively armed offense? Anyone?

72 "Bolton fairly notes the Bush administration is partially to blame for re-legitimizing North Korea..."

With every serious bipartisan effort to appease/include Democrats, being gracious leaves us f8cked.

Democrats yelled that America should rely upon UN diplomacy and direct talks between heads of states, and relinquish our sovereignty for the sake of global peace. Now look what good Obama is NOT doing abroad.

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