1 I miss George Bush.

2 Will no one think of the crab people?!?

3 Awesome.

4 In the end, though, there will be only APPEASEMENT!

5 PRAGUE (Reuters) – President Barack Obama will call for the elimination of all nuclear weapons across the globe, in remarks on Sunday he hopes will lend credibility to his message in atomic disputes with Iran and North Korea.

This is what I just saw on HuffPo. This is his response? Is he going to offer our weapons up first or what? I have such sense of deja vu. I already did the 70's--don't wanna do it again.

6

Let's make it rain some JDAM spears:

http://tinyurl.com/cnvktu

7 I believe this would be classified as a clenched fist. No?

8 "We can't continue to invest in unproven missile systems--or sumpin like that"

9

Fuck.

I'm not sure where to go from there. Kind of sums it up.

10 President Barack Obama will call for the elimination of all nuclear weapons across the globe,

Oh, shit.  THIS is a foreign policy?  Damned liberals and their Walt Disney view of the world.  He's going to get millions of Americans killed

11 "Uh...um...ah...I meant we can't continue to spend money on unproven missile defense systems...wasn't Michelle stunning today?  Aren't her guns amazing?  Oh, uh....um...I probably shouldn't be using the ah word guns, I meant arms...oh wait, can't use that word either, um...upper appendages...Aren't Michelles upper appendages amazing?"

12 Have we been derisive of the North Koreans, or something?

13 Why the hell didn't the big 0 shoot it down as it flew over Japan?
Why the hell did not Japan shoot it down?
Weak ass bitches! Should have had the airborne laser melt the thing at 2 seconds

0 is a weak ass bitch!

14 We have a President who is a multi-dimensional moron.  In fact, in little more than two months, like some theoretical physics scientist (only not theoretical), he has show the existence of new dimensions in which he can be a moron.  Economic? CHECK.  Diplomatic? DVDs, iPods.  Anti-patriotic?  BOWING to Boobs.  He is the complete moron; the decathalon athlete in a very SPECIAL olympics...

15 The sternly worded letter is meant to address the willingness of ALL parties to meet in a spirit of cooperation to decide, once and for all, whether this issue should be discussed at a round table, or a square one.

16 Everyone calm down and be quiet!  I am waiting to hear what teleprompter has to say about this.

17 Maybe he should go over and bow to Kim Jong Il.

I await with baited breath the strongly worded, brow-furrowed response in a few days, once all Obumble's advisers can text each other about it, load it up on TOTUS and give him a week to rehearse.

And shit, it's the weekend. We all know that Barry don't work on weekends. Plus, he's been traveling so we'd better give him a few day of R&R from his European vacation summits.

18

Does a teleprompter walk up to a lecturn?

What does a teleprompter do if it forgets what it was going to say?

19 Well ain't that just wonderful.  Who could have expected such a thing, except the smartest guy in the world (Scrappy Joe from Scranton).  It's almost like they don't respect the 'prompter and his promises of peace.

Why is a seasoned Chicago politician so weak on these types of issues?

20

Yeah what Govt flunkie gets to go on the Sunday shows and trial balloon the Administration's talking points? There isnt time to focus group this shit: we need some artfully delivered lying BS fast

21 Soooooooooooo happy to be living on the west coast. How much more launch pad rattling does Nkor get to do before I start feeling like I live in the Rhineland?

22 At least the seventies had a beat you could dance to.

23 You should've included this video with this post: http://tinyurl.com/cmqkhg

24 Is Obambi still in France? Maybe he can get together with Chirac to draft a letter of surrender to N. Korea... you know, now that he's done with the photo op with that guy Sarkozy and his hot wife...

wait... whaddaya mean that Sarkozy is the President of France? Well, who is Barry supposed to bow to over here then?

25

Is Obambi still in France?

No, he's in Prague where he'll soon announce we're scrapping a crucial missile defense radar planned for the Czech Republic.

Again, awesome.

26 I can only shake my head at the imbecility of Obama advocating for nuclear disarmament in the face of this event.  Yeah, that'll work.  

27 Posted by: Cuffy Meigs at April 04, 2009 10:59 PM (uOvAE)

Ah. Good timing on that. Now our letter of surrender to to N. Korea will appear more genuine.

28

"Is Obambi still in France?"

Czech Republic, last I heard. Can't wait for whatever fucking stupid thing his teleprompter tells him to say there.

Sad thing is, Czech Republic is more open to capitalism than America.

29 OT:

I've been kinda hoping that some Eurotrash country or another would send our Dear Leader packing like Canada did to Ayers. You'd figure at least one of them would have learned from WWII not to let the crazy, terrorist loving socialist in.

30 Hey, for all of you left-wing relativists, let's try this game:  Have a US missile cruiser go right off the coast of China and shoot a missile across it to Mongolia. Let's see if the Chinese get pissed off enough to demand an angry letter be sent by the UN, or if the Chinese actually have a set (unlike our Sitzpinkler in Chief, Obama).

Odds are they'd lob a few missiles of their own, seize Taiwan and say "What the hell you gonna do about it now, bitch?"

It's gotta suck to be a leftists. No balls.

31

Sitzpinkler

Ha. Haven't heard that one in a while. Perfect.

32 26 I can only shake my head at the imbecility of Obama advocating for nuclear disarmament in the face of this event.  Yeah, that'll work. 

Yeah. You know, of course, that we'll have to lead by example, like the jackass is always reading off of TOTUS. So, we'll be the only disarmed country while Russia and China beef up their military and the Norks and Iran get some more practice in with their "satellites".

33

Doesn't President Zero give you a thrill down your legs?

Doesn't he terrify our enemies?  I mean the enemies of Marxism you silly people.

34

Is this what we're girding our loins for or is more to come?

Obama doesn't work Saturday nights, has everyone noticed this yet? He had a romantic dinner with Michelle instead of accepting a dinner invitation from the Czech head of state. I hope North Korea gave him time to eat the Czech equivalent of his waffles before they launched.

35

The launch "will prompt the United States to take appropriate steps to let North Korea know that it cannot threaten the safety and security of other countries with impunity," State Department spokesman Fred Lash said in Washington.

They just did, Fred. By the way: how does Kim Jong-il's ass taste?

Security Council diplomats said Friday that a draft resolution in circulation could reaffirm and tighten enforcement of the demands and sanctions of a resolution passed after North Korea conducted a nuclear test on 2006.

Wow- a draft resolution? Really? Will it be 'strongly-worded'?

36 Can somebody explain to me why aren't the Norks a rapidly expanding cloud of gas again?

37 AN anxious world waits to hear TOTUS speak on this most pressing issue....

38 36 Can somebody explain to me why aren't the Norks a rapidly expanding cloud of gas again?

Posted by: Xoxotl at April 04, 2009 11:15 PM (FrV/a)

 

Sure. Because no Western head of state has the balls to do anything about it. Might hurt reelection prospects. War is icky and doesn't poll well!

39 Has duh1 surrendered us to the NORK's yet?

no sarcasm

40 James Earl Carter II

41

Obama doesn't work Saturday nights weekends, has everyone noticed this yet? He had a romantic dinner with Michelle instead of accepting a dinner invitation from the Czech head of state. I hope North Korea gave him time to eat the Czech equivalent of his waffles before they launched.

Posted by: ParanoidInSeattle at April 04, 2009 11:15 PM (AJ4xq)

FIFY. Not only doesn't he work weekends, but most weekends are 3-day weekends. He also doesn't work on holidays and holidays that fall on Monday require an additional day or two to rest up from traveling to Chicago/ Camp David/ etc.

42 The way things are going, I really wouldn't care much if the Norks or whomever hit DC or California. They'd really be doing us a favor.

If they're going to do it, I hope they wait until our Dear Leader is back. Maybe, if we're really lucky, someone will gift him an iPod filled with his speeches that also contains a targeting device.

43 I am bitterly disappointed that the Japanese didn't go for it and attempt to shoot it out of the sky using their Aegis-equipped destroyers.

Did we pressure them to not do something that would embarrass a man who is bound and determined to kill our own missile defense systems?

-

44

Ummm, so like all of us morons living in Hawaii are like in its range?  Shit!

Hmmm, better try to get some pre-nuke destruction sex!!

45

great timing for commander Obambi, the very day he gives his speech calling for abandoning all nuclear weapons, a madman launchs a ballistic rocket against the wishes of THE ENTIRE WORLD.

i'm feeling safer already.

46 10 President Barack Obama will call for the elimination of all nuclear weapons across the globe,

Oh, shit.  THIS is a foreign policy?  Damned liberals and their Walt Disney view of the world.  He's going to get millions of Americans killed
________

The way I figure it, the fact that millions of Americans got killed would be irrelevant to Obama.  If we must die for his ideas, that's okay, because the important thing is that he gets to try out/play with all his ideas.

That's the sort of "test" Biden was talking about, where we wouldn't like how Obama responded, but we were supposed to have blind faith in him anyhow, and tell all our friends to, too. 

At the time, I figured the "test" would be when Obama didn't respond properly to a threat, and that we were supposed to wait until he talked whoever out of whatever, even while the destruction was going on.  And I figure I was right.

In addition to millions of Americans getting killed being irrelevant to Obama, I would venture to guess that he might possibly enjoy that.  Being as he's so hot on all of us sacrificing and everything. 

Us dying for his ideas would probably be just the sort of drama he likes, and what he figures we owe him anyway.  (Simply for being blessed by his existance and superiority in everything.)

47 Bush should have nuked Iran and NK 5 years ago.

Too late now.

48 #43, I don't know if the Japanese Aegis-equipped ships have the Block 3 or whatever the ABM upgrade is. They should, but I don't know.

Me, I don't much care if the Norks hit California. They voted for this twit, so let them enjoy the consequences. When the Norks can range Tennessee, then I'll care.

49 Boy, thank goodness that cranky old John McCain lost, huh? I feel better already.

50 Bill Ayers calls for the elimination of millions of conservative Americans.

Jug Eared Fuck studies at his knee as a young man.

Jug Eared Fuck gets elected POTUS.

Jug Eared Fuck eliminates our nuclear deterrent.

Millions of Americans and Europeans die due to lack of MAD.

Bill Ayers smiles.

51 36 Can somebody explain to me why aren't the Norks a rapidly expanding cloud of gas again?
Posted by: Xoxotl at April 04, 2009 11:15 PM (FrV/a)

China

40 James Earl Carter II
Posted by: paranoid polly at April 04, 2009 11:30 PM (YLNjm)

I wish.

52 The launch today of a Taepo-dong 2 missile was a clear violation of United Nations Security Council Resolution 1718, which expressly prohibits North Korea from conducting ballistic missile-related activities of any kind.

Did you hear me?  I said, it expressly prohibits these activities.

*wipes hands*

(There, that oughtta do it.)

53

I don't know if the Japanese Aegis-equipped ships have the Block 3 or whatever the ABM upgrade is. They should, but I don't know.

They can. Japan can shoot a satellite out of orbit if they want to.

54 Heh-heh-heh.

She said "dong".

55 His Lordship and Military Commander-ness Barry has spoken! What part of "stop or we'll say stop again!" don't you understand?

56 Me, I don't much care if the Norks hit California.

Posted by: SGT Dan

California is now equipped the Obama Mark IV anti-missile defense system. No missile can penetrate its force field of Love.

57

a very strong statement from Obambi;

"I urge North Korea to abide fully by the resolutions of the U.N. Security Council and to refrain from further provocative actions," he said.

 

58 And I'm pretty sure that Air Force One, now has a Klingon Bird of Prey cloaking device installed.

59 "I urge North Korea to abide fully by the resolutions of the U.N. Security Council and to refrain from further provocative actions," he said.

He told them to abide? What. The. Fuck. Is he now the Dude as well?

60 To be fair; Bush didn't do anything either. He knows that NK just want attention. They do this every few years to remind the world how awesome they are. Intercepting the missile or retaliating is really just playing into their game.

61 It sure would be nice if we had some sort of Anti-ballistic missile technology.

Oh wait, we do.  Developed during the most anti-science administration in the history of the universe no less. 

62

Obama used harsher language condemning the US for it's arrogant attitude towards Europe.

63 Obama is a girl.

64 I'm in love with an 7 year old boy. Is that wrong?

65 Hey, nation of cowards, can we talk about something important like race?

66

Hey, nation of cowards, can we talk about something important like race?

Or Bristol Palin?  Or Michelle's awesome fashion sense?

67 All right.  Who broke the thread?

68 Stupid internet.

69 I don't see a problem. North Korea is a sovereign nation. Who are we to interfere with NK's missile development?

70

North Korea, meh, let's ship all our cats over there.  That ought to keep them fat and happy.  Problem solved.  If not, relax, the world loves us now because we have a half black Kenyan guy from Kansas/Hawaii/Indonesia who can read the shit out of a speech.

More importantly, has anyone heard about what's going on with Sarah Palin's daughter's baby daddy's mother and what she said on 'Tyra'?

71 That's just Teleprompter Jesus flexing his new-found internet crisis muscles.

72 Were Kim Jong Il's panthers aboard that rocket?

K

73

Damn, I thought I was a pussy.

74 1 I miss George Bush.

Posted by: katya at April 04, 2009 10:16 PM (oRJZj)

--Sorry, but W punted this one.  I'll merrily scorch Obama for this, but Bush did no better.

75 I don't know why we are worried about this anyway.  Remember last week the Vice Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff declared ballistic missiles passe

76 Gonna try to sleep.  Got church tomorrow.  TTYL.

77 what Type of Dong was it? No1 or No 2

78

To be fair; Bush didn't do anything either.

Not true. Our missile defense interceptors in AK were on full alert during the Nork's 2006 launch. This time? Obama ordered the silo crews to update their resumes.

79 If this metrosexual fag gets an American killed, he better give a great speech to make up for it.  I can't stay mad at him.  He healed the Earth and made the oceans recede.

80 --Sorry, but W punted this one.  I'll merrily scorch Obama for this, but Bush did no better.

Bush didn't have the luxury of a proven Aegis BMD ship available to pop the thing, either.

81 You know I just wish someone would have the balls to give North Korea the swift hard kick to the nuts it needs in order for the regime to finally collapse and allow the reunification of the Korean Peninsula to finally happen. Its going to happen eventually anyway and all allowing them to behave like this along with humoring the regime does is prolong the inevitable as well as the pain and suffering of the average north Korean at the hands of their own government. Its like removing a band aid, if you take it off slowly you just prolong the pain, whereas is if rip it off quickly it only hurts for an instant.

82 I can't wait to see what harsh penalties the UN will impose over this 'provocative' act.  I bet they'll haul out words like 'condemn' and 'violation' and all sorts of words that will make the Noks weep in abject remorse.

I'd write more but my unicorn needs feeding.

83 The Boss made it fall into the ocean harmlessly.

He's good, isn't he.

84 Bush also at least got the Norks to dismantle the reactor where they were enriching Uranium and tried to bring pressure to bear thru China.  Granted the 6 party talks haven't worked out well but that's because Russia and China aren't really interested in bringing them to a conclusion. 

85 Well, we've asked the Norks, warned the Norks, sanctioned the Norks, chastised the Norks, and, lastly, mothballed our ABM project. The only option now is to surrender and bail the Norks out with U.S. taxpayer money. That'll teach 'em.

86 Reminds me of that movie 'Demolition Man'.

Squad Leader: Simon Phoenix! Lie down with your hands behind your back.

Simon Phoenix: What's this? Six of you. Such nice, tidy uniforms. Oh I'm so scared!
[the Police Officers look at each other]
Simon Phoenix: What you guys don't have sarcasm anymore?

[Police Officer talks to his automated assistant]
Squad Leader: Maniac has responded with a scornful remark.
automated assistant: Approach, and repeat ultimatum in an even firmer tone of voice. Add the words, "or else".

Obama isn't likely to go as far as the "or else" part though!

87

What's the problem? Just send Madeleine Albright back over to lap dance Kim so more. Hey, it worked the first time, didn't it?

88 ...some more... [Gee, I guess it's almost 2 a.m.]

89 What do we need nukes for anyway?  Didn't the Asgard give us all their pimp energy beam weapons a few years ago?

90

Gator

More importantly, has anyone heard about what's going on with Sarah Palin's daughter's baby daddy's mother and what she said on 'Tyra'?

Posted by: gator at April 05, 2009 12:25 AM (yUiO3)

You still up?

91

Guys! I told you that within six months your Presidente would be tested and he would need your support.

Does anyone here know how to write a good strongly worded letter?

92

I can see it know, Obama has a press conference and says that as a result of North Korea's recent missile test His administration has decided that North Korea is to big to fail and should be bailed with taxpayer funds asap.

93 ...North Korea is to big to fail and should be bailed with taxpayer funds asap. Matt

Yeah, and either divert or add to those G-20 funds.  As the joke goes, "A trillion here, a trillion there...pretty soon it adds up to real money."

Only a few months ago the joke was billions.

94 No, this cannot be true.

We were assured by Obama's administration that they trusted the North Koreans were really only launching a satellite and not launching a missile at all.  We even watched them dress down a military person who stated we could prepare to shoot down a missile as that was unnecessary and could provoke ill will.

Oh, that was yesterday's story wasn't it?

Sorry... we've always been at war with Eastasia.  We had no foreknowledge or preparation for this, and diplomacy will work wonders and show us to be tough and strong, and not at all foolish idiots incapable of seeing truth.

Silly me for remembering otherwise.  I don't know where I get these unauthorized memories.  I need to be briefed on the new "facts" of the day I guess to avoid these embarassing memories of the past.

95 Needs tweaking

96 95

I responded to you on that one on the overnight thread, you sick bastard

97

What can Obama do?  Bush destroyed any surplus American military power.

There's no way we could credibly threaten N. Korea now, let alone actually do anything. 

98 Bush?  Hell, I miss Clinton!  At least he knew what to do with a Dong.

99 85 At the rate things are going, I could almost believe that one.

Seriously, I thought Obama was going to be bad--but he's going downhill faster than I thought--and taking us with him.

100

"What can Obama do?  Bush destroyed any surplus American military power.

There's no way we could credibly threaten N. Korea now, let alone actually do anything."

Yes, because we all know that targeted strikes in a failing regime never produce any results.  And it's not like we have forces in the region or the country next door or several bases within bomber reach or allies in the region that would be more than willing to lend a hand.  It's not like the country in question has an infrastructure that could be easily knocked out without being completely destroyed, or lack of excess manufacturing capability or power generation capability.  Their army is in TIP TOP shape after yeasrs of economic sanctions and lack of hard currency for weapons maintenance.  I'm sure their capability to replenish their expended ammo far surpasses anything we could muster up.

Surely we must sit back and scold.

101

The rocket flew over Japan and landed in the Pacific Ocean, the Japanese broadcaster NHK said, citing its government.

Does this mean that North Korea won't be able to get HBO now because their satellite went into the ocean and not up in the air?  'Cause that would totally suck.

Maybe they'll be nice to us if Obamaprompter gives them technology so that their satellites don't end up in the ocean. 

102

103 China will not allow anyone to knock off the Norks. They just won't.

104
I'm so ronry

105

All of the world’s assholes know that Obambi is a pussy now, and not the good kind. We can stand by for general harassment from every fuck stick in the world now. I’m glad I ain’t in the Navy anymore and I feel sorry for all of our military out there because they are now open targets.

 

I’m sure new ROE went out as soon and the new CIC (Cockholster In Chief) took office.

106

"China will not allow anyone to knock off the Norks. They just won't."

Citation?  The last go round, the ChiComs weren't our largest trading partner and weren't holding a trillion of our debt....

107

Oh boy, those nasty NKs are in for it now. The U.N. is going to hold a meeting!

108 Besides slashing our nuclear deterent, do you know what also sounds like a good idea?   Let's also slash defense spending!

109 Slashing deterent, hell, he wants to cut missile defense while they are shooting missiles.

110 China will not allow anyone to knock off the Norks. They just won't.

All we need to do is make a credible threat to unshackle the samurai and they'll fall all over themselves slapping Kim into line.

The reason the Chinese and South Koreans are reluctant to do anything is they think the Norks are a hair's breadth from collapsing and they don't want 30 million starving illiterates pouring over the border.

111

What can Obama do?  Bush destroyed any surplus American military power.

There's no way we could credibly threaten N. Korea now, let alone actually do anything.

Surplus military power? You mean like during the 90's? You know, right after winning the cold war and the ass whipping of Iraq in Gulf War I? When Russia was a basket case and China was only using 3 million barrels of oil a day instead of the 9 now?

You mean some American leader should have taken care of Saddam Hussein back then?  Killed  bin  Laden, before 19 scumbags walked into the US and took flying lessons? 

 And even if Obama had 20 death stars, you actually believe he'd use them? HILARIOUS!

112 The reason the Chinese and South Koreans are reluctant to do anything is they think the Norks are a hair's breadth from collapsing and they don't want 30 million starving illiterates pouring over the border.
Ace's liver at April 05, 2009 04:18 AM (LtIsn)

That is the best trump card the US has with China.  If the Chinese want to interfere with any US action in NKorea, tell them the US starts dropping leaflets, jamming and broadcasting on whatever NKorean radio/tv stations,  telling NKoreans:
"Nukes have been used along the DMZ and all the radiation will be spreading north. Head for China where you'll be welcomed, and you'll be safe"

113

"What can Obama do?  Bush destroyed any surplus American military power.

There's no way we could credibly threaten N. Korea now, let alone actually do anything."

 

Complete and total bullshit. The air assets in the Pac AO can wipe NKs infrastructure and military installations off the map in less than 70 hours.

The only tricky part of it would be the huge number of dug in artillery that the Norks have placed in range of Seoul. That could be destroyed in place before it was put to any effective use by a hard surprise air attack but it would put the SK citizens in that area in some danger.

Idiots can throw around the numbers that the Norks have in their military and cite such and such a weapon and list its stats, but in reality, the Nork military is a police state military ran by political appointees who's only "skill" is absolute obedience to and unthinking regurgitation of the propaganda of whatever degenerate filth is raised up as the figurehead of the cult of personality there.

 

Another fallacy is that PDRC is Norks friend and supporter. The Chinese hate the Norks and the Norks hate Chinese. The only time China has anything to do with Norkland is when it's cynical need to game something outweighs that hatred and that's not very often. China's main concern with Nork being brought to destruction is that China may end up holding the bag on reconstruction and/or refugee absorption.

The South Koreans have a rather large military of their own. That, combined with the MEF (division plus air wing) on Oki is enough to clean up the disease pit of North Korea in terms of boots on ground. The South Koreans are also very hesitant about bringing Norkland down due to the economic ramifications if they end up the ones stuck with the refugees and reconstruction.

The Norks were always the butt boys of the Soviet. The Soviets used the Norks as their proxies in lots of the dirty little jobs done during the cold war. Especially in the area of training and transporting cadre for the various leftist and/or islamic terror organizations. The Norks kept a regiment of Special Purpose Force troops at Madagascar just for that purpose. Don't know if that regiment is still there, though.

Much of the training for the Khmer Rouge and the islamo/commiebastard scum in the Philippines was also conducted by Norks on demand by the Sovs back in the day. The Chinese commiebastards also had a hand in the KR murder spree-ers, but most of that was through massive supplies of land mines to the KR.

114

Icus, when do you ship out for boot camp?

 

115 Jesus Christ.  Icus, don't talk about things military.  You just have no idea.  The US military is far, far stronger than it was in 2003.  We could use a couple more divisions of ground troops, but as long as we just wanted to break things from the air or sea we'd be limited chiefly by the amount of bad PR we were willing to accept.

116 Obama's G-20 Spring Break....O Gone Wild....

Insults America, cozies up to enemies, can't function without telly p.   Michelle, can't manage to button her sweater properly, too tight pants, roughs up the Queen.  O laughs bizarrely while America's unemployment soars, mass killings, natural disasters unattended, n.korea launches rocket....while O takes away missile shield and dismantles nukes, defunds the military.......Back home thugs are getting rich off of America's taxpayer with no accountability.....

117

icus, "choke yourself"!  how you survived roe v. wade is a miracle. 

118 If Bush were president they wouldn't have fired the rocket but with this wimp they have no fear and know they can get away with anything. And good luck Obama in getting China and Russia to vote favorably for sanctions against North Korea. Our stature among our enemies has just dropped well below whale manure.

119
After he finishes telling the Czechs to stop being mean to Russia, he is probably going to Poland to tell them the same.

And another thing. Fucking Barry plays basketball like he plays president. Nobody dares stand in his way or play defense so he pretends he's Michael Jordan.

damn sissy boy

120

On Fox early this morning they had an ex-CIA operations guy talking about this latest North Korean debacle and he ridiculed Il DuceII and the U.N.

 

In other words, Il DuceII is rapidly becoming a laughingstock and that is among is own countryman.  Just think what world leaders really think.

121 Dammit...my timing was wrong.

122

Our secret orbital death ray appears to have been successful:

ROK's Yonhap: US Military Says DPRK Failed To Place Satellite in Orbit

 

http://english.yonhapnews.co.kr

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national/2009/04/05/96

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Seoul Yonhap in English 1054 GMT 05 Apr 09

 

123 I seem to have mis-placed my Jane's.  Isn't the Taepo-dong 2 missile also known as the "Long Dong?" 

124 Icus only posts here to make Barack look manly in comparison.

125 I know he doesn't give a shit about me because I didn't vote for him, but if Obama lets my ass get nuked, I'm going to be a tad angry.  And vaporized.  But an angry vapor nonetheless.

126 Gotta agree with Frank G at 124


Hey maybe the the ICC or some spanish judge will indict lil Kim and we can haul in front of some court.  Yeah, I'm sure that will work.  Or maybe a re-constituted NATO (hahahahahahahaha) will flex its muscle. 

127 THis is what happens when 53% of the population cant think past what they had for breakfast

128 Why is a seasoned Chicago politician so weak on these types of issues?

No Teamsters in North Korea?

129 Everybody calm down.  They need to test because Their Science Isn't Settled. It hardly left any carbon footprint, and no animals were hurt during the test. Look,  I know what I am talking about because I invented teh intertubes.  Besides, It's not like it's a real Overseas Contingency Operation or something like that.  Gosh. 

130 Weakest horse.

131 5 PRAGUE (Reuters) – President Barack Obama will call for the elimination of all nuclear weapons across the globe, in remarks on Sunday he hopes will lend credibility to his message in atomic disputes with Iran and North Korea.

What a dangerously naive thought.  Does he really think he can eliminate nuclear weapons from the earth?  Sure we can get rid of ours I guess.  Whatever - obviously we deserve to all die anyway at the hands of some other "oops I forgot to get rid of my nukes!" nation.  Being as we Americans are the arrogant slime of the earth.

132 @123  Isn't the Taepo-dong 2 missile also known as the "Long Dong?"

Yes.

133 What bullshit. We balked; it's over.

134 What?  Obama didn't issue a "or else" at the end of his warning?  Weak.

135 Too bad we didn't shoot it down but the we all the know the reason why that wouldn't happen.  A successful test of our ABM defenses weakens his desire to kill the program in 2 weeks.

136

I'm sure we're working on setting up a meeting to create a summit that will produce a strongly worded letter.

No. No, no, no, no,  no.  First, we send a polite memo with a box of top-shelf chocolate.  Then, we have a multi-party conference to determine whether further attention to the matter is necessary.  If so, then we nominate a blue-ribbon panel of experts to conduct a series of videoconferences to discuss the feasiblity of a meeting.  Then comes the environmental impact studies for the meeting, organizing of the community that will host the meeting, sexual harassment seminars to train the pre-meeting organizational staff; a two-week diversity clinic, a two hundred billion dollar fact finding tour of key tropical resorts, and pontificating on assorted network news shows.  After that, we conduct 6 months of polling to determine what the agenda for the meeting is and canvas Congress for earmark requests to grease the wheels for everything.  Then, and only then, do we actually staff our scheduling committee.

It's a simple process, but it is highly nuanced.

137 Mmm...The smart power brain trust is really working well.

138

President Obama said that North Korea violated international rules when it tested a rocket that could be used for long-range missiles, and he called on the United Nations Security Council to take action.

“This provocation underscores the need for action, not just this afternoon at the Security Council but in our determination to prevent the spread of these weapons,” Mr. Obama said. “Rules must be binding. Violations must be punished. Words must mean something.”

This sounds vaguely familiar.  Let me think....Oh, now I remember.  It's almost exactly what GWB said about Iraq to the UN.  But he was just a wild, dumb, cowboy. 

How the left keeps up with their own hypocrisy is truly amazing.

139

@95: Needs tweaking

Well, we're in luck then.  Obama's probably tweaking pretty hard right now.  All that time dealing with world leaders and foreign dignitaries doesn't leave a lot of time for doing lines with Biden's daughter.

140 Tami  @ 138
To be fair, I don't see any hypocrisy here.  Obama plans to do the same thing the UN is will do, that is, have a meeting, pass a resolution and pretend that something has been done.  The only thing Bush did differently was to expose these "transnational" organizations as worthless for pretty much anything except grand larceny.  Obama is probably hoping to get in on the scam.  No reason for just Kofi to get paid. 

141 The Obama admin reacted almost exactly as the Clinton and Bush admins reacted to IllKim's Fuck yous to the world. I am sure that as the rocket launched, Kim's mighty 2 inch penis swelled with pride!

There is a GLOBAL PRESUMPTION that every world problem is the USA's to fix! "what is the US going to do about the middle east problem, the NORK problem, Afghan problem, etc.

The USA can not afford to defend the whole world unless we ask for a tax on these parasitic countries to continue in this role...I hear Barack is good at asking for tax money so maybe this could happen...

We need to pull back, where we can, and let AQ torch Europe so maybe those fucks will spend a little on Defense and you know actually defend themselves...

142 I'm so glad that Barry got elected. It was just evil George Bush that caused war and people to hate the US. Now with Barry as supreme leader, just as the media said, the whole world loves us and we'll live in peace and happiness and hope.

143

This is all a distraction.

Time to concentrate on what's important: Monday night, 9 P.M., Ford Field.

144 Assman@ 141

I wouldn't mind a little of that good ole isolationism, who says I can learn nothing from Pat Buchanan and our Democrat party.  It would mean actually protecting our borders, though, and I really don't see the political will to do that. 

145

@111: And even if Obama had 20 death stars, you actually believe he'd use them?

He'd definitely *want* to use them.  Death Stars destroy planets.  Destroy Earth, and you destroy America.  However, blowing up Earth would leave the Gaia worshippers *MOST* put-out.  It simply isn't Earth-friendly.  Plus, blowing up the Earth also destroys the Umma. That won't score him many points with Allah, although that might be offset by extincting all of the Jews and Crusaders.

He'd be torn....

146

"If they want to take an appropriate path to rejoin the international community and break out of their isolation, that's available to them,'' Obama said of North Korea, in his remarks before meeting with the E.U. leader.

"That's not the path they're taking right now,'' he said, "And we intend to work with the international community to deliver a strong message.''

Wow!!!! I'll bet they are shaking in their boots in North Korea. They are going to get a strong message.

147 I'll bet Obama was a big target for playground bullies.  Wadda wimp.

148

the delegator in chief (pelosi gets to right all the bills, do the budget and run the congress) has given this job to the illustrious UN, who we all know will get right on it and make the world safe.

 

Is anyone writing this comedy down?  Our children will not believe this bozo, and will curse us for putting him in power.

149

Why is a seasoned Chicago politician so weak on these types of issues?

Because Obama can't keep North Korea in line by throwing a lucrative, bogus city contract job at them.

"Hey, NorKor, tell ya whaddam gonna do.  You forget all dis rocket faggot crap, we'll float you a contract to sit around in your truck all day for $100 grand a year, whadda ya say, huh?"

Besides, isn't 100% of Obama's background chasing handouts, giving away other people's money and keeping it legal to let botched abortion babies suffocate to death in dirty linen rooms?  Not like he's got a whole lot of relevant experience.

150 How come the headlines only mentioned the missile failed to put a satellite in orbit but don't mention that the Japanese lost track of it when it was 2500nm East of Japan which puts it well on the way to Hawaii, which is probably what the original intent of the launch was in the first place.

151

with the MEF (division plus air wing) on Oki

But they're busy watching Iraq.

152 "There's no way we could credibly threaten N. Korea now, let alone actually do anything."

Because the North Koreans are within artillery range of Seoul. Thus, no one can do anything about them, really, except starve them out or cajole them.

It doesn't matter that Bush deployed our troops or not - we still couldn't do anything against North Korea unless we were willing to have hundreds of thousands of dead civilians...and actually, South Korea doesn't need our troops, so Icus, what does it really matter?

Personally, I say we starve them out.

153 Dear North Korea;

I'd humbly like to bring to your attention the fact that the missile you launched the other day just happened to be a direct violation of a United Nations resolution. 

I'm pretty sure you knew this when you launched the missile.  That  you were violating a UN Resolution. 

I'd just like to remind you that UN Resolutions are very very important things. 

Extremely important.  Lots of important government servants like myself spend time writing them. 

I'd definately like to encourage you to not violate any more UN Resolutions, if that wouldn't be too much trouble. 

I'm sure you wouldn't want to give the rest of the world the impression that you don't give a flying fuck about UN Resolutions. 

That would be uncivilized. 

I'm really really eager to talk to you guys about keeping all the UN Resolutions in the future. 

I'd like you to know I'm eagerly sitting by my phone waiting for it ring so we can get together and talk about how we can keep these UN Resolutions in the future. 

Love and Kisses,

Barack Obama

154 ok Kim got his 15 minutes, now can we please talk about something more important, like bears floating on ice?  http://tinyurl.com/dn4t48  The earth is melting and all you can talk about is Long Dongs.  By the way, any of you morons wanna buy a carbon credit?  Special deal if you order in the next 15 minutes.  Call 1 (800) God Hates Al Gore

155 sears poncho,

not so in favor of isolationism but we do need to "wean" the ROW (rest of world) off Uncle Sam's (or is that Aunt Sam?) teat...

Like you say, we need to strengthen our border fences both North and South PERIOD!

I am glad BHO pointed out the obvious arguement to Europe, that due to various reasons (nearer location, large muslim pops) they are MUCH more in reach of the AQ from Afghan. then the US is. But what did that accomplish tho? The pledge for 5k non-combat troops. After the spain and london bombing, europe went back to sleep.

Really? The whole EU, 400 M strong can only spare 5k folks? See how important this is to them?

The world is a dinner party of freeloaders knowing that Uncle Sam will always pick up the check, well we need to start the gradual shift from Ruth Chris to McDonalds so the rest of these useless fucks starts to reach for their wallets and pony the fuck up when they want their steak dinner! This is human nature.

I am afraid that our latest 17k troop investment of our Nation's finest into Afghan. is only the beginning...and the ROW does what?

156

a very strong statement from Obambi

 

North Korea, you are now on double secret probation!

157 How fast will the media ask the President about military action(I have noticed they are realizing he isn't the messiah they thought he was)? I can't wait to see him flub that response. I think eventually he will go complete lefty, meaning after a few rounds of debate or logical questioning and using up all their sane taking points, they can't take it and start screaming bushmchitlerhaliburtonwarforoil.

158 Great article on Kim's crumbling regime:

http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/016/323azqnr.asp

159 Why risk another war when we can wait this lil fucker out? His regime is cracking...

160 Zero is sending Acorn protestors to the N Korean leaders houses as we speak!  That will teach them!

161

we need to strengthen our border fences both North and South PERIOD!

But where will Chinese gangs and Native-Canadians smuggle cheap smokes from if that happens? Think of the puffers, Assman.

162

so the consensus here is that NK is crumbling from within, so just wait him out?    aren't iran & other bad countries paying NK for nuclear technology?  did the satellite actually get launched?  how close did the missile come to any US territories?

163

. . . the Nork military is a police state military ran by political appointees who's only "skill" is absolute obedience to and unthinking regurgitation of the propaganda of whatever degenerate filth is raised up as the figurehead of the cult of personality . . .

You mean like ACORN will be once they are incorporated into the National Civilian Security Force?

164 Obviously the North Koreans were less than impressed with them Obama.

FTFY.

165 Does the new missile have enough range to reach DC?
Please tell me the new missile has enough range to reach DC.

166 Eliminate all nuclear weapons? Riight!! We can barely verify what's going on now. Obambi will no doubt trust and not verify. The idiot!!

167 no, but Seattle and San Francisco are closer than San Diego, range-wise. Just saying

  *wink wink*

Frank G in San Diego

168  sorry Genghis and ParanoidinSeattle...

169

They now have a video of North Korea's rocket launch, view here:

<a href="North">North'>http://tinyurl.com/n6fo9">North Korean Rocket Launch</a>

170

Assman, thanks for the article. I've stowed it for later reading because I have a pounding fucking headache and I'm treating it with a hair of the dog IYKWIMAITYD.

The gist I got from the article is that NK is on the verge of internal collapse, potentially initiated by a military coup. For some reason, this line bothered me:

Both China and South Korea would suddenly become responsible for the care and feeding of millions of famished refugees streaming across their borders.

So it would be better to keep them under the iron fist of a despotic regime?

Wouldn't the aid be better used by China and SK than to be "diverted" by the private market to the well-to-do in NK?

Now I get what you mean by starving them out.

171 Just remember, the United States does not destroy its enemies.  We keep them around to fight another day.

172 Old Sailor, I need some 'splaining on that one. I'm a moron, after all.

173 Where is 'Hans Brix' when we need him

174

Why risk another war when we can wait this lil fucker out? His regime is cracking...

Assman - that's why they pushed so hard for this launch with there best customers there for the show.  The Iranians probably just gave them millions in advance to deliver God knows how many of these things for them.  That's where I think the danger lies is that they use this as a money maker by selling them to truly crazy people.  Not to say that they are not crazy but I think all of there weapons developement is for cash and power.  The Iranians on the other hand will lob these things right into Israel the first chance they get and line the Norks pockets in the process.

175  From Teh One's speech on dropping nukes. A particular phrase peeks out:

"“All nations must come together to build a stronger, global regime. And that's why we must stand shoulder to shoulder to pressure the North Koreans to change course.”

huh?

176 Barry and the teleprompter need to campaign in North Korea. I'm sure that will make them love us and want to be a part of Barry's cult. Barry should immediately fly there and spend at least a year or two campaigning in N. Korea to achieve this.

177 The NK's were/are intimately involved with the AQ Khan nuke network.  Then there's the ongoing relationship with Iran. Iran's most advanced ballistic missiles are variants of NK systems.  The Koreans are also major players in the Persian nuclear program.  I seem to recall that a number of NK technicians got whacked in Syria not too long ago.

As for China "hating" the NKs .... Well, that didn't stop them from routinely authorizing air transit rights to the Norks and AQ Khan's boys as aircraft traveled from NK to Pakistan.

178 "Just remember, the United States does not destroy its enemies.  We keep them around to fight another day."

Britain?  Check one and check two.

Mexico? Check.

Spain? Check.

Germany?  Check one and check two.

Japan? Check.

North Korea and the PRC? Check.

Vietnam?  Check.

Iraq?  Check one and check two.

Afghanistan?  Check.

Notice a pattern?  If we had any fucking sense one of these days we'd follow the Roman example and burn someplace to the ground, then sow the fields with salt just to be sure.  Haven't heard of problems from Carthage lately.

179 PRAGUE – Just hours after North Korea launched a long-range rocket, President Barack Obama called for "a world without nuclear weapons" and said the United States has a “moral responsibility ” to lead the way, as the only nation ever to use them.

180    ErikW @ 170
Problem is, we've been hearing about the collapse of NK for a very long time (much the same way we've been hearing about the overthrow of the mullahs of Iran by a very western oriented Iranian youth.) I imagine that it could happen someday, but it now depends on whether we can wait for such a thing.  Now go take care of the headache, it's beautiful day for Bloody Marys.

181 stace @ 179

Did he actually say that?  Man, what a fucking dirt bag.   Can't say he hasn't learned his anti-american lessons well.  I positively love the way these things get spouted without any context whatsoever.  See, Japan was just standing around, not doing anything, and then, BAMMM, we hit them with an A-bomb.  That's exactly how it went down.  Obama is a real fucking prize isn't he.

182 We don't finish the job, Erik.  We're isolationist at heart.  We could have let Patton push the Russians back at the end of WWII thus preventing the Iron Curtain.  Hell, we could have helped stop the Russian revolution to begin with, and we deliberately didn't.  We could have ended the Russian nuclear program before the "point of no return" in the early 60's. We could have let Macarthur take out the Chinese like he wanted to (including with nukes).  We could have won the Korean and Vietnam wars.  Instead, we let our major adversaries cultivate dangerous client states: Viet Nam, North Korea, Iraq, Syria, Iran (thanks to Carter), etc.

183

Old Sailor, I need some 'splaining on that one. I'm a moron, after all.

I think Old Sailor is right but it's really the way of the world and not just us thought I wish we wher the exception.  The Gulf is the most recent example of this - we should have finished the job the first time but we bowed to international pressure and pulled up short.  Nobody has the stomach for real war anymore.  Vietnam - need I say more.  Israel has become very good at defending itself just up to the point of winning and then coitus interuptus they turn around and quite.  Hezbollah and Hamas should only be referrd to in past tense but that's not the case.

Think about Hiroshima in modern terms and it is just simply impossible to imagine yet we look back as being completely justified in our actions.  Those days are gone.

184

10-4, sears. My ongoing intellectual pursuit of the truth is taking a back seat today.

Cheers!

185 I have to rush out soon, so I haven't had a lot of time to give this much thought, but it's worked out pretty much as I thought it would. There was a bare chance that the Japanese would have felt sufficiently threatened to take the missile out, but everyone seems to have decided it was best to let it slide. (A decision we will bitterly regret in time, I think.)

As for the collapse of the Norks: it can take an incredibly long time for even a horrible political system to fall. The Western Empire of Rome took about four hundred years to completely "fall", and that's only if you count the sack of Rome by the Vandals as the signature event of the "fall". The Soviet Union, which was never anything more than an atrocious failure, held on for nearly eighty years. Never underestimate the terrible power of inertia, of the status quo. The devil you know is always less frightening than the devil you don't.

The fact is, South Korea is probably the biggest vote against letting the Norks fall. They say the huge expense and political upheaval the re-unification cost Germany after the wall fell; and they know that their own problems would be tenfold as bad. The North Korean populace has been brutalized and suppressed for so long that there is almost no one left living who can really relate to the modern world there. The North Korean people would be almost impossible to assimilate, but would only exist for decades as a permanent underclass: a huge drain on the treasury, a major source for criminality and political upheaval, and a polarizing influence on South Koreans. For many South Koreans, re-integration with the North is a complete non-starter, now or at any time soon. Better to keep the asylum up North running with the inmates safely tucked inside.

186 Sorry about all the typos - just trying to keep up.  By the time I hit post all of my points have been made.  So yeah, what those guy's said.

187

Old Sailor and Roadking, okay, but that does not compute.

I see what you're saying but it defies logic. Am I correct in assuming that a certain pussified segment of our society prevents us from achieving absolute victory?

Or am I off?

188 You could count the Visigoth sack of Rome in 415 rather than the Vandal sack in 455 as the actual "Fall of Rome", but the Vandals did a more thorough job and actually fractured the Roman state beyond retrieval. The Visigoths mainly got drunk and pillaged a bit; the Vandals hung around for a long time, and King Geiseric actually carried off the Empress and her daughters (one of whom was later to marry Geiseric's son).

189 Barry and the teleprompter need to campaign in North Korea.

They're kinda short there. He'll have to bow to everyone.

190 @ 178, we tried the Roman way - Nagasaki, Hiroshima, Dresden.  For some reason we thought it would be better to say sorry, my bad, here is a gazillion dollars to ass fuck us with sometime in the future.  oh and when we need to borrow money, or your help cracking skulls, we are okay if you tell us to fuck off.

191 Better to keep the asylum up North running with the inmates safely tucked inside.

The problem is that the inmates are NOT safely tucked inside.  The Norks are shipping fissile material, nuclear engineers, missile experts, and conventional weapons  to our enemies all over the world.  Too bad for the SKs if war breaks out.  They've had a good run with appeasement, but the rabid dog to the north is going to break its leash one day and then all hell will break out.

192 What will Kim want now to stop his missile tests?  More food?  More oil.  How about we cut him off from everything.  People tend to get angry when their starving to death.

193

ErikW at April 05, 2009 10:15 AM (hKtiw)

That's right.  That plus the International community (read UN).  Everybody starts bringing the "can't we just talk about this" pressure and you have to stop.  I think it computes quite easily as much as I hate it.  This is a different day that we live in with bullshit treaties that go largely ignored by some while we are handcuffed by them.  Plus you have this global on the spot biased bleeding heart media showing the public all the brutallity of war that they can not handle (read pussification) and it's game over before the game is really over.

One of the fears that I have for my generation and future generations is that we will not have the stomach for war which will translat into the inability to properly make war.  Actually with obama in office we are officially there.

194 I just saw O'Prompter's strongly worded statement.  He came out on the stage all smiles and waves and then tried to deliver this denouncement promising harsh action ahead of the emergency meeting of the U.N. today.  Kim Jong Il, The Chi-Coms, Iran and Russia are shaking in their shoes.  He also promised Poland and the Czech Republic that they will have the missile defense shield until the rogue nations comply.  (Ha! Or at least until they say they will comply.)  He is in so over his nappy ho'd head!

195 181 sears poncho

Here's the link

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0409/20901.html

I'm not sure I trust Poltico's paraphrasing, but the video is there, and I'm listening to it as I type. It's just amazingly dumb so far. He wants to prevent proliferation, but isn't willing to take any meaningful action other than saying "yes, we can" get rid of nukes.

196 Ok, he just said we would maintain a reserve of weapons. Well that's a relief.

197

 mrp at April 05, 2009 10:23 AM (HjPtV)

I made that point earlier as well - this is how they make money and it is how they will continue to fund the truly crazy regimes out there.  It might sound crazy to say but I wonder how truly interested the Norks are in actual war.  I think the resources and land of SK is about the only thing that would make sense for them to go out and get.  Anything else would just cost a lot of money and bring them huge head aches.  So imho there biggest threat is to SK and everything you listed in your post which is really scary.

198

Since we are tossing historical analogies around (smart military blog? Fuckin A...you betcha):

It is possible that we had our Manzikert this last November.

199 Prague speech: Obama calls for a "strong international response" to the NORKs, but he doesn't say what that should be, and wants to have "dialogue" [cheers from crowd] with Iran.

Ahmadinejad must be pissing himself from uncontrollable laughter.

200 121 Dammit...my timing was wrong.

Posted by: Tojo at April 05, 2009 06:30 AM (cenKv)

That's some real funny stuff right there, Admiral-san!

201 It anyone wataching Georgie S?

Its amazing - the vapid liberal greek whooo're Arianna is arguing against an Afganistan surge because "history proves more troops wont work" while Georgie S is arguing that we must at least try an agfan surge because we know for sure afgan will collapse otherwise.

Lib on Lib warfare, with one Lib playing the George Bush role. 

202 Sure, thank goodness that cranky old John McCain lost.

203 Un fucking believable

Frum just used and sanctioned Obama's fascist rhetoric about AIG execs being suicide bombers on This Week

204 The fact is, South Korea is probably the biggest vote against letting the Norks fall. They say the huge expense and political upheaval the re-unification cost Germany after the wall fell; and they know that their own problems would be tenfold as bad. The North Korean populace has been brutalized and suppressed for so long that there is almost no one left living who can really relate to the modern world there. The North Korean people would be almost impossible to assimilate, but would only exist for decades as a permanent underclass: a huge drain on the treasury, a major source for criminality and political upheaval, and a polarizing influence on South Koreans. For many South Koreans, re-integration with the North is a complete non-starter, now or at any time soon. Better to keep the asylum up North running with the inmates safely tucked inside.

Posted by: Monty at April 05, 2009 10:12 AM (dCZbI)


South Korea and China

205 You make the call

206 South Korea and China

Iran and Pakistan and Syria and ...

207

Frum reminds me of those two Northeastern RINO twats from "Republican Pro-Choice Majority" (or whatever the fuck they called their splinter group) who tried to follow the same "strategy" in 2004.

208 115 Jesus Christ. Icus, don't talk about things military. You just have no idea. The US military is far, far stronger than it was in 2003. We could use a couple more divisions of ground troops, but as long as we just wanted to break things from the air or sea we'd be limited chiefly by the amount of bad PR we were willing to accept.
Posted by: Ace's liver at April 05, 2009 05:13 AM (LtIsn)


Husband's AF, and that's just not true. I really wish it were, but it's just not.

209 Damn the photon torpedoes, full speed ahead!

210

The North Korean populace has been brutalized and suppressed for so long that there is almost no one left living who can really relate to the modern world there.

That's fucked up. So we just seal the country off and let them starve to death?

211 It is almost like you guys think that North Korea is going to survive as a communist country for another 10 years. Quit listening to those 8 track tapes of The East Is Red

212

 It is almost like you guys think that Iran is going to survive as an Islamic theocracy for another 10 years. Quit watching those Betamax tapes of coverage of the Hostage crisis.

 

213 Oops, end of thread, someone just above cut the cheese.

214 So does this mean another 200 billion on the deficit for this year, next?

WASHINGTON – Bailing out the financial sector will cost taxpayers $167 billion more than originally anticipated, according to a Congressional Budget Office estimate.

The original figure in January was $189 billion, but it is now $356 billion — $152 billion more for 2009 and $15 billion more next year, the CBO says in its March report updating the budget and economic outlook.

The CBO raised its projection because yields have increased on securities issued by the bailed-out financial institutions under the $700 billion Troubled Asset Relief Program.

215 How long before Prez Hussein admits that it's all America's fault that N. Korea feels so threatened that they need nuclear weapons?  Or even better yet, that's it's our fault the world is a violent, scary place? Hell, I'm betting that Prez Hussein thinks that every conflict in known time can somehow be attributed to America. Even the ones that happened before America existed.

216

Or even better yet, that's it's our fault the world is a violent, scary place?

I need an Evan Sayet re-up.

217 Iran and Pakistan and Syria and ...
Posted by: mrp at April 05, 2009 10:54 AM (HjPtV)


Iran and Pakistan don't really need the NorK technology, and Syria could buy from Iran, IMHO.

Iranians are pretty sharp folks in my experience.

218

Of course, I would be screaming HYPOCRISY! if this had happened on Bush's watch.

 

 

That is just how us trolls roll, yo.

219 And please reactivate your personal cloaking device, Lt Worf.

220 That's fucked up. So we just seal the country off and let them starve to death?

Posted by: ErikW at April 05, 2009 11:01 AM (hKtiw)


We're in the position that we have to defer to China, and that's absolutely what the Chinese would do.

And WJ Clinton and GW Bush carry a lot of blame for our being in this situation. And now the mess is dumped on giggling, anti-American schoolgirl Obama's desk.

just great

221

Iranians are pretty sharp folks in my experience.

Sharp like their beheading swords?

222 Can someone tell me what happened with this "missle"?  Did they launch it and was it a satellite and not a missle?   My dumb blond friend who knows she is a dumb blonde wants me to tell her "if it is in orbit, how can we be sure it won't fall out of orbit"? 

223

How long before Prez Hussein admits that it's all America's fault that N. Korea feels so threatened that they need nuclear weapons? 

That would be his next teleprompter appearance.

224 The way BO's handling things, he's likely to send NorK's an Ipod with both BO's speeches AND a copy of TEAM AMERICA loaded on it.

Yeah, that oughta be pop - u -lar. 

One reason we DON"T shoot those missiles down is we don't want to tip our hand as to our capability until we REALLY need to.  That would only set off mucho more problemo's...

Mr Wolf

225 I feel shame and saddness.  Please come back George.

226 From the bottom of the Fox News article about the Binghampton, NY shooting:

The shooting occurred in a mixed neighborhood of homes and small businesses in the center of Binghamton, a city of about 47,000 located 140 miles northwest of New York City.

At the junction of the Susquehanna and the Chenango rivers, the Binghamton area was the home to Endicott-Johnson shoe company and the birthplace of IBM, which between them employed tens of thousands of workers before the shoe company closed a decade ago and IBM downsized in recent years.


Related how? Well, where are most shoes made now? China

Who bought a huge chunk of IBM? Lenovo, of the PRC

China likes having their crazy attack dog up there in NorK, and we aren't going to buck China.

227

Posted by: franksalterego at April 05, 2009 10:54 AM (GKyIE)

If the Norks had launched a missile past Hawaii when Bush was president, that illustration of the missile track would be on the front page of the NY Times -- accompanied by dozens of rants news articles saying it was proof of Bush's failed diplomacy.

228 Hey, at least we don't have Juan McCain and that comprehensive immigration reform.

229

Can someone tell me what happened with this "missle"?

Muffy, from what I've gathered, the NK spaceshot was a two stage rocket that failed after the second stage and fell into the ocean south of Hawaii.

If you want douche-baggery:

North Korea's rocket sailed harmlessly over Japan on Sunday morning, but a significant fallout from Pyongyang's display of technological prowess is how it may affect this pacifist nation's military stance.

from the WSJ.

230 No doubt Tinian.

The muffled reaction to the launch, along with the cheerleading of Obama's "firm" response (what a fucking joke), is pushing this story under the radar.

231 Posted by: Tinian at April 05, 2009 11:38 AM (Ohodx)


More than that... Didn't this asshole just take an oath to "Provide for the Common Defense" ?

And now, he sits with his thumb up his ass, when N.Korea uses Hawaii as Target Practice, when he has the capability to intercept?

232 Obama isn't too concerned about this missile because it didn't receive a retention bonus.

233

Hey look everybody, I shit the bed. Again.

At least I left Sarah Palin out of it.  This time.

234

And there is another reason I hate journalists.

Rockets don't sail.

Boats sail.

Rockets are propelled by a controlled explosion.

Sailboats are driven by the wind.

235 I'm betting BigO slams an embargo down their throats and lets no more skittle runs into Norkland!

That'll teach 'em. They ate their unicorns!

236 NK missle launch provokes stern rebuke by Pres. ةars McMarx-Lenin^®: 

Please, please don't  take my lunch money - please...

237 Of course Obama will take strong action. Why, at this very moment he's looking for a judge he can bribe to unseal Kim Jong Il's divorce records.

238

I checked myself. A rocket+sail is appropriate in context.

Damn!

239 I think the Taepong-Do 2 is a three-stage missile.  From what I recall, the NKs immediate problem after the previous launch was how to achieve clean stage separations (the Chinese apparently figured it out after the Hughes-Loral intelligence debacle, which ocurred during the Clinton administration).  Exactly where the Nork payload landed is the key.

240 We are entering an age of Harmonic Convergence. The left believe all will be well when we all believe what Lennon not Lenin wrote.

Imagine there's no countries
It isn't hard to do
Nothing to kill or die for
And no religion too
Imagine all the people
Living life in peace

Evan Sayet made this point and I agree with him. It is a fundamental disconnect with reality and the problem of evil.  They seem to think if we all just embraced Obama and stopped having other allegiances the negatives in the world would all cease to exist.

I grew up in Detroit. No amount of positive feelings on my part stopped a bully from pounding my face into the dirt. It was only when I discovered an alternative use for a brick that he had his epiphany.

Thus you and I are evil to the liberal because we oppose a unity based on nothing other than an human epiphany. Lenin would gladly use Lennon to move humanity toward collectivism. This actually is worse than economic collectivism - they seem to want group think and will not acknowledge anything else.

241

Yup, thanks mrp.

South Korean Defense Minister Lee Sang-hee also said the North had failed, saying “all three stages of the rocket fell into the sea.”

242

My 16 year old son and I were out to dinner last night discussing the prospect of a Korean missle launch.  He's interested in joining the military and pretty darn smart.  He thought they were capable of hitting Alaska.  Then he asked me if I thought Obama would surrender.  My margarita almost came out of my nose.   Jeez you hate to tell your 16 year old with his whole life before him that you think it's highly possible!  I finally just said that if he did, he would be impeached.  Please someone tell me I'm right about that.

 

 

243 this pacifist nation

you cannot be serious. in the WSJ?

OMG

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245

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That was very nice Ms. Parker.  Now it is time you got back to work at your day job down on the corner.

246

"South Korean Defense Minister Lee Sang-hee also said the North had failed, saying “all three stages of the rocket fell into the sea.”

It depends on how far away the top piece was before it fell. 

247 243 this pacifist nation

you cannot be serious. in the WSJ?

OMG   I believe 'pacifist nation' refers to Japan.  If I'm undertanding your disbelief correctly....

248 ingrid, the pacifist nation is Japan. Didn't mean to mislead.

249 jinx!

250 Are there any sober heads left in Washington?

NK launches a rocket in our direction and we email them a picture of bunnies and daisies in response.

Every Republican member of the House and Senate should go out on strike.

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Damn, Locus.

You sound like my cool, hippie aunt that is a practicing Wiccan. She reads Tarot, tea leaves and all that crazy shit.

She keeps telling me that the Age of Aquarius is unfolding.

Which is wierd because I'm a Christian.

Yet somehow all the signs are coming together.

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252 It'd be more accurate to describe Japan as a "forcibly pacifist" nation.  Many would very much like to rearm their military, and considering their not sure about NK's ultimate intentions or their actions, some are trying to circumvent their constitution to build their military back up.

253 Barrack "the naive one" Obama's teleprompter was seen being rolled out to the launch pad, fueled and readied for a retaliatory launch.

Meanwhile. Hillary was preparing to go to NK for another dance session.

254 The 2006 Taepodong-2 launch was a failure.  Forty seconds after launch, the missile blew up because the booster and the second stage did not separate cleanly.  At the LINK, you can see that the booster and the second stage of the latest missile separated cleanly.  No word, apparently, on where stage 3 and the payload landed.

The NKs had a successful launch, no matter what "ArmsControlWonk" has to say.

The Taepongdo-2 has an estimated range of 4200 nm.

255 And I forgot to h/t Sherry at rantburg.com for the link in #254.  Sorry!

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257 That's fucked up. So we just seal the country off and let them starve to death?

This question makes politicos harrumph and avert their eyes and shuffle their feet like a kid needing to pee, but the answer is ultimately: yeah, pretty much.

The residents of North Korea are, for all intents and purposes, insane. They are completely unable to function in a modern world in any realistic sense: not in China, not in South Korea, nowhere. They'd be impossible to assimilate into any modern economy. And there's approximately 23 million of these poor people up there. 23 million starving, brutalized serfs. No one wants them, not even their own government. Kim Jong Ill spends their lives cheaply because he cares nothing for them, any more than the rest of the world does. They live their lives in vain. It is heart breaking. It is enough to make stones weep.

And yet the wider world does not wish to acknowledge their complicity in allowing 23 million human beings to exist (I won't say "live") this way. Better to keep them penned up, safely away from prying eyes. Better to let Kim run the place as his personal playground than to let these miserable, ragged ghosts loose on the world.

258

The residents of North Korea are, for all intents and purposes, insane.

No, they're brainwashed. C'mon dude. Can't we give life the benefit of the doubt?

259 No, they're brainwashed.

It's a distinction without meaning.

260 Of course Obama will take strong action. Why, at this very moment he's looking for a judge he can bribe to unseal Kim Jong Il's divorce records.

Posted by: gebrauchshund at April 05, 2009 11:56 AM (ACDor)

Lmao. I was in awe that they neglected to call Kim Jong Il a racist. I guess that's Plan B, in case the divorce records don't show up.

261

It's a distinction without meaning.

Are you a liberal?

 

262

Monty appears to be a douche tool.

263 85 Well, we've asked the Norks, warned the Norks, sanctioned the Norks, chastised the Norks, and, lastly, mothballed our ABM project. The only option now is to surrender and bail the Norks out with U.S. taxpayer money. That'll teach 'em.

Posted by: Pres(id)ent Obama at April 05, 2009 12:55 AM (swuwV)

 

 

Not true. We haven't apologized to them yet.

264 thanks Eric W.  the MSM accounts are such that you getthe feeling the reporter either is too stupid to understand what was being sent up or that they were given little or no information.   I don't trust any of it.  Would be just like them to purposely fail to lure us into thinking they won't succeed the next time.

265

Uuuh, errr, um, I ah think that uh North Korea is uh being naughty and uh our best buddies in the um UN will, or might, send a real uh strong letter of regret to that um dude er in charge of ah ah North Korea.

Next question?

266

...another thing is, for us to be shooting down missiles in what China sees as its geopolitical 'sphere of influence' would be highly provocative. The Monroe Doctrine says that nothing military happens in the Western Hemisphere, this being our sphere of influence. The Chinese feel the same- the Korean peninsula is in their self-claimed sphere.

Also, 2 American journalists are currently in NORK custody. We're trying to get them back. Granted, they're journalists and should be fed to hungry NORKS- but all kidding aside they are US ciitizens and are also somebody's loved ones. So that's also on the table.

Also, Obama doesn't want to shoot down a NORK rocket because holy crap WHAT IF IT WORKS? Obama wants to scrap missile defense- not prove that it's effective!

Finally, China knows the NORKS are a pain in our ass. They like this and find it very helpful to their plans.

267 Jones, correct on all points.

268 James, the plan for Chinese millionaires to take one of the real estate buying tours fo California and then buy, buy, buy?

269 252 It'd be more accurate to describe Japan as a "forcibly pacifist" nation. Many would very much like to rearm their military, and considering their not sure about NK's ultimate intentions or their actions, some are trying to circumvent their constitution to build their military back up.
Posted by: Tom in Korea at April 05, 2009 12:32 PM (9H4sW)

Yes, and I think the seemingly bizarre Gates statement (the US isn't capable of fixing the NorK missile problem) was his way of telling the Japanese that in the age of Obama they'd better step up their efforts and schedule on that project.

270 247, 248 thanks. that's what I get for not clicking the teeny-tiny url thingie

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I wonder if Al Gore's two journalist friends were strapped to the outside of the rocket? Funny how the MSM isn't giving a shit about those two young women.

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I wonder if Al Gore's two journalist friends were strapped to the outside of the rocket? Funny how the MSM isn't giving a shit about those two young women.

Now that is one funny visual.

274 The Norks respond to behaviors.  We and Japan had a bunch of Aegis equipped ships deployed, ready for this very launch of a Nork missile overflying Japan.  The Norks shot it off.  Nobody did squat.  We sent a message of weakness to Kimmie and Co. 

Not only Kimmie, but Dinnerjacket and all the thugs around the world.  We projected weakness, and our enemies will capitalize on it and wind up their actions some more.  The Big O wants to become a big EUnik.  We are going to get wacked again bad, because we did not learn the age-old lessons in dealing with tyrants, terrorists, and thugs.

275 The UN fucks the world. Obama enjoys it.

IMPEACH the foolish tyrant.

276 Obama will vigorously wave his finger at the Norks as soon as he stops giving the one next to it to the taxpayers.

277 I don't know why I'm surprised, but I am.  Newt is right, the world is not awake to the danger this poses.  I thought that either the Japanese or us would stop it somehow.  Goddamn, it looks more and more like we really are living in the last days.  I need to pray ...

278 Nothing to see here... but BREAKING NEWS!!!!

Michelle Obama is expected to wear some designer clothes today [no word on resulting upholstery shortages] and have you seen how toned her arms are! Having our American Royalty visiting Europe just... well... gives me a tingle.

Now, back to your regularly scheduled complaining about the financial mess that Bush left us.

/sarc

279

     O doesn't have the balls to deal with the Norks because Michelle won't give them back.  Politics makes for strange bedfellows. 

280 You're breaking my balls here Hans, you're breaking my balls.

281 Best comment from the web

According to the US Navy the highly unique North Korean satellite has entered subaquatic orbit in the Pacific Ocean, and is transmitting melodies of the immortal revolutionary paeans ‘Song of General Kim Il-sung’ and ‘Song of General Kim Jong-il’ on a 15 kHz acoustic channel.

— Paul · Apr 5, 11:50 AM ·

http://www.armscontrolwonk.com/2242/another-failure

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283

Also, 2 American journalists are currently in NORK custody. We're trying to get them back. Granted, they're journalists and should be fed to hungry NORKS- but all kidding aside they are US ciitizens and are also somebody's loved ones. So that's also on the table.

They probably should be and your statement is logical but are they really on the table.  I mean where is the outrage from Sec. of State Clinton?  Where are the demands that they be returned immediately? 

284
What I don't understand is, why didn't the Japs shoot the damned thing down?
It flew over their damned country, for f*cks sake!

285

I just thought of something-- Would shooting down the Nork missile actually be to our net advantage?  Consider:

Pro: Demonstrate our ABM works.

Con: Everyone who's paying attention already knows that, more or less.

Pro: Look "tough" to the Norks.

Con: Look like dicks to the rest of the world for shooting down a commo sat. just to prove we could.  My guess is the Aegis ships were there in case KJI suddenly called a press conference to annouce the "satellite" was really a nuke, and its orbit was intended to pass through downtown Honolulu, or something similarly unlikely.

Con: We look bad if we miss, especially since we'd be shooting just to prove we could.

Con: We give the Norks an excuse to fail; they just say, "It would have worked if someone hadn't interfered," even if it wouldn't.  Depending on circumstances, it might be hard to prove one way or the other.

Con: Possible causus belli(?sp) with the Norks.  Do we need another war right now, or would it be better to wait a few more years?

Con: Shooting down the missile does NOTHING to disrupt the technological, industrial and political wherewithal needed to build and shoot more missiles, which is what we'd need to do to actually stop them from building more.  It'd just piss them off (more than they already are).

If we wanted to rattle sabers a little bit, we'd have some more ABM tests in that general area of the world-- maybe against a submarine-launched missile so the Aegis crews wouldn't know when or where it was launching from.  Or we could do them off San Diego-- it doesn't really make much difference.

286 I hear that that Kim Jong-il can forget about the movies Obama was about to give him. No Complete Works of Pauly Shore. And forget about the iPod with Obama's best one-liners, including the commitment to make his administration "the most open and transparent in history" or to take his scalpel to the budget.

287 Brilliant!

Kim violates the UNSC Resolutions, so Obama urges him to adhere to them?

Tad LATE with that, aren't you, Barry - or isn't the teleprompter loaded yet?

Of course, should the Norks ignore this scary and intimidating statement from Obama, they risk him issuing an even tougher admonition, and perhaps even stomping his foot at them.

The very thought of that should make Kim piss his little Mao suit. 

Of course, we still have to reach out to all those moderates in the PRK, nonetheless . . .

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