1 Behold the politics of personal destruction.

BTW, Levi Johnson doesn't have the sense the good Lord a frog's ass if this is true.

2 Barren women hate Palin

3 I can't pop out the babies, I hate her.

4 Sarah Palin is James Bond.

Women want to be her. Men want to be with her.

5 Homely women hate Palin.

6 I'm not too thrilled with her either; but I am pretty delicious, admittedly.

7

They attack Palin because she's dangerous. She's dangerous because she can actually accomplish things.

Biden gets a pass because everyone knows he's a weak-willed buffoon.

They only attack those who might make a difference.

8

Ace,

are you going to post about how the State Dept. is fucking over an Iraqi hero.

 

sorry for the OT so early, and I don't know how to do that tinyurl crap.

Just google - 'Jasim state department' and prepare to be pissed.

 

9 >>He's a Democrat, and therefore deserving of praise. Palin's a Republican and deserving of nothing but contempt and hatred.

Could have saved yourself a lot of time and just written this. Seriously, Palin didn't get any worse treatment than any other Republican in the presidential sweepstakes last time. She got more of it because she was in the finals but all Republicans got abused for the crime of being a Republican.

10 Women who are threatened by beautiful, smart and/or successful women usually have really low self-esteem.

And I never got why Hillary was to be so admired when her entire career was achieved by riding on her husband's coattails and yet Palin is just an ignorant wacko even though she actually worked for everything she has. The double standard is staggering.

11 Just look at Palin's approval numbers in Alaska prior to being VP nomination and post VP nomination.

Her "really disapprove" numbers prior to that was 5%; after that, 20% - it was an immediate jump.

Over what? Opposing a Democrat.

12

Mrs. Palin is clearly a physically beautiful woman.  I love the fact that the left hates her, and she stands up to them.  She is unabashedly herself and makes no apologies for it.

That being said, I could haz more pics now?

13 A smart friend of mine -- a Democrat who supports Palin -- boils it down to "Professional women hate her because, as a group, they hate themselves and hate their lives and hate their husbands, and resent this working-class upstart from having the life (and husband) they wish they did."

I think they resent that she achieved so much without the advantages of family wealth or political connections or an elite education or benefits of affirmative action programs... and she appears to have succeeded in achieving these things without sacrificing a good home life and marriage.

I'm not sure how widespread the disdain is for Sarah Palin amongst "professional women." I suspect that small business owners, entrepreneurs, local politicians, and activists probably respect her. It's the women who decided to buy into the culture of affirmative action and victimology that resent her, irrespective of their professional achievements.

Of course, that makes me a freak since, like Sarah, I have pursued my dreams in the workplace and achieved some cool things (although nothing like Sarah has) while having a happy marriage for 24 years.

14 Women who are threatened by beautiful, smart and/or successful women usually have really low self-esteem.

Bingo

15

I'm not sure how widespread the disdain is for Sarah Palin amongst "professional women." I suspect that small business owners, entrepreneurs, local politicians, and activists probably respect her. It's the women who decided to buy into the culture of affirmative action and victimology that resent her, irrespective of their professional achievements.

Ditto.

16 And I never got why Hillary was to be so admired when her entire career was achieved by riding on her husband's coattails

Posted by: mpur at April 03, 2009 06:06 PM (BeTpz)

True dat. And I'd add what is so admirable about staying with a slime ball womanizer?

17 It's no different than the old axiom of the school yard, "torment your enemy until she develops an eating disorder." Male bullies got nothing on teenage girls.

18 "Where is their interest in, say, allegations that Joe Biden's daughter was a cokehead? Surely we can learn all sorts of cautionary tales about drug use from that story, just the same as we can learn about birth control and youthful sex from Levi Johnson.

But the media doesn't pursue it. Partly because Joe Biden is a goofy old bastard, and his daughter, most likey, is no head-turner (I confess I don't know; I'm going by the averages)"

Ahem, excuse me, but I am all that!  What, you think I paid for all that booger sugar myself????

19 The Brits weren't above pointing out that Chelsea Clinton was often falling down drunk.

20 I don't know what to think of Palin anymore. I supported her then I was mad she fucked up those interviews after she did a dynamite speech at the RNC.

One thing is for certain Palin can always redeem herself in my eyes but the MSM can not.

21 Not sure I even care that "they" hate her. "They" are the ones who put Teh One in office. Besides: she has awesome taste in boots. Let's not forget that.

22 Do Seinfeld episodes qualify as "old axioms"?

23 Sarah  is so hot, I make hookers where Palin glasses even when I'm doin' 'em doggy style.

24 I really, really hate that modern feminism has been boiled down to only being militantly pro-choice, and demonizing anyone who isn't. I am continually sickened by the so-called "feminists" who still attack her and every word out of her mouth as if she's some sort of hypocrite, when they are the hypocrites.   Hello, a woman who wasn't feminist (in the real sense, not the bullshit liberal sense) wouldn't be holding such a position of power!  If one wants to celebrate women's equality and achievements, shouldn't Palin be held up as a role model?  But I agree the hatred is at least partially due to her looks; the women who go overboard into the modern "feminist" movement seem to be the unpopular kids in school who turn their anger outward at the "patriarchy" and "privilege" and all that fatuous crap and who now see her as the cool, smart, athletic, popular girl they loved to rip apart out of earshot.

25

You're way over thinking this. They are AFRAID of Palin. Did you not witness the way she brought hope to the hopeless (GOP)?

The left is not going to chance a face off against her in the future and are doing the equivilent of a double tap on her.

26

Spot on, Ace.

My dad and I were trying to explain just this matter to my fiancee last Christmas (she does not follow U.S. politics too closely).  We hit on most of these points, but one explanation for the Palinophobia I should have emphasized that I did not is --trite as it sounds-- that Sarah and Todd Palin genuinely love and like each other.  Gov. Palin does not stick with hubby because she's using him to climb a political or corporate ladder, or as some convenient prop for campaigns, but because she enjoys the life they have created together and see each other as equals in raising children, growing the family business, and even in their respective separate careers.

They probably also hate that she gave her firstborn up to the evil U.S. military machine.

27 17 It's no different than the old axiom of the school yard, "torment your enemy until she develops an eating disorder." Male bullies got nothing on teenage girls.

Posted by: Kilkenny Mike at April 03, 2009 06:11 PM (yiNoG)

Then in the interest of what is best for the country, we should step up our posts about Worf. She's developing quite a pot belly, visible in the magenta number she had on today.

For the good of the nation's image across the globe, I hereby dedicate myself to driving Michelle O. into an eating disorder by catty comments.

What can I say? I'm a patriot.

28 I don't know about Palin.  Guess we'll find out over the next couple of years whether she has the sand to get something going.  Found it amusing to hear Hillary's supporters going ape shit over her treatment at the hands of the MSM during the primaries.  Don't know about Ashley Biden either.  I do know that her old man and her siblings are fucking dirt bags, so none of her behavior would be surprising.  good thing one of her brother's the DA for DE.  Guess she won't have to worry about a posession charge. 

29 Hutch1200 at 23: i was surfing for her eyeglasses and I stumbled across this funny.

30 They tried to make Reagan in to a caricature too. In fact, the Left makes any conservative who threatens them ideologically into a caricature because it makes them feel more sanctimonious.

31 When regular hard working tax paying folks finally get pissed off and start moving beyond tea party protests, I can only hope the next step is to march on Washington and on every state capital and into every major newspaper headquarters with buckets of tar and feathers and just take care of business the old fashioned way. Run the entire rabble out of town covered in filth and shame!

32 one explanation for the Palinophobia I should have emphasized that I did not is --trite as it sounds-- that Sarah and Todd Palin genuinely love and like each other. Gov. Palin does not stick with hubby because she's using him to climb a political or corporate ladder, or as some convenient prop for campaigns

+1 to that, logprof

33

I don't understand the hate. I've had arguments with my friends and my sisters about why they despise her so much and all I get back is regurgitated wrong facts about her. But I do know that the hate is seriously at the visceral level; there is absolutely no reasoning with these women about Sarah Palin.

It drives me bonkers because Sarah Palin is exactly the type of woman we women should admire. She is attractive, smart, successful, a mother who is attempting to balance family needs with a career. She got where she is herself and she has the courage of her convictions. She believes totally in what she says and what she does.

While I wish she would be fairly considered as a candidate for President I believe that there is no way she will be able to succeed. The media have made it their quest to tear her down at every possible turn in every possible horrible way they can. The politicians in Alaska who don't like her smell blood in the water and are circling for the kill. And, funded by DNC money, every Joe and Jane Alaskan who has a petty grievance with her will attempt to bring her down.

So, I'm looking to the future and Piper's candidacy. I hope I live long enough to see it.

34 Not to doubt the power of self-loathing but isn't it almost a tautology that those who hate the successful, aren't?

35
Remember the WWJD bracelets that were popular a few years ago?  "What Would Jesus Do?"  Well I suggest the "WWTLBFCD?" approach to figuring out what liberals will say or do next.  "What Would The Lonely,  Bitter,  Fat Chick Do?"  It really works.  You can see the inner workings of their warped minds if you can get inside the mind of one person.  The Lonely,  bitter,  fat chick.

36 Brittle, frigid old Lefty broads hate Sarah because they know she is teh hawt and is still getting it two or three times a week from a MAN not a metrosexual PC closet homo like they are used to.  I am still waiting to get the finger tossed at me for sporting a Palin/Jindal '12 sticker here in BLUE Rhody.  I know its coming.

37 Apologies to professional women--

I fucked up that passage. I just added this clarification:

Clarification: He was speaking of liberal-ish, feminist ball-buster type women, of course. Not all professional women. I really should have made that clear, but I didn't, so now professional women are defending themselves in the comments. I apologize -- I screwed up. I knew what I meant in my own mind but didn't write it properly. Obviously, professional women who like Palin are not so gripped with envy.

38
What I don't understand is why the Republicans in Congress consider some/most Democrats their friends. Please explain that one to me.

The Democrats call their colleagues in Congress, the Republicans, stupid, corrupt, liars, evil, etc. The Republicans aren't bothered by this? Bothered enough to at least defend themselves against these smears?

39

What jumped out at me was that real street-cred comes from humble beginnings. Most politicians claim that and while Palin isn't exactly living a trailer park life, she's definitely WAY outside the Washington bubble.

And yet she's attacked for being the same person most politicians claim they were: hard working, salt-of-the-earth types.

 

40 Envy is a dangerous thing. Most, if not all, of the women in the democrat party whored their way into money and then into office. Palin made it without the rich daddy, whoring until a rich husband came along or old Inherited money. That's a big pill for nuts like Peeeloshi and Boxer to swallow.

41
Oh, and they hate Sarah Palin because she's a Christian and she's not shy about admitting it, and she doesn't apologize for it.

That's what bothers the likes of Frum, Parker, and lil' Buckley, too. They're disgusted with anybody who wears their Christianity on their sleeve, so to speak.

42 For what it is worth, I no longer read "hot Air" after the latest bit of dishonest behavior[1], so the opinions there are of no interest to me.

I am not interested in scurrilous attacks on anybody, especially non-combatants.

There is a part of the hate-Palin picture that is being missed. That is the part that is exposed by Todd Palin's face.

Not only can Sarah Palin be an effective speaker (with-or without a Teleprompter). 

She can be an effective and successful Governor.

She can be an effective and succesful mother.

She can (on the evidence of Todd Palin's face) be an effective and successful wife and woman.

That must hurt the harridan's a lot.


[1] After my complaining twice that the source-article said "38, or 20%" of the GOP, not "38% of the GOP" as he kept quoting it, he disappeared it without a trace.

43

You're way over thinking this. They are AFRAID of Palin. Did you not witness the way she brought hope to the hopeless (GOP)?

Exactly.  Also, don't forget the corrupt RINO's are afraid of her too. She's got a very good set of kahunas and I hope she goes for it - I will vote for her.

key word here in the good ole boy network is:  "misogyny "

44
Mostly they hate Sarah Palin because...

she's happy.

45

Piper Palin in 2040^*!!!11!! Woot!

 

 

 

 

^{*If we still have a country that's allowed to vote. Maybe that should read: if we still have a country at all.}

46 Ace, I appreciate your comments about Michelle Obama because I am frustrated about how she is being crammed down our throats as "all that." I like having a place to be able to blow off steam about it, so thank you for providing all of us a release valve when the pressure of "the next Jackie O" coverage gets to be too much.

47 There are some excellent points in this thread.  The likes of a Pelosi or Hillary use their husbands to get ahead whether their money or their own political accomplishments and we're supposed to be knocked over that.  Someone. like Palin who became governor without any of that is despised?  Yeah, those feminists are really on to something.

48 AllahPundit, of course, is a hypocrite, albeit an extremely entertaining one. However, personal attacks on just about ANYONE get quite old. We're not going to beat the left by becoming them, so cut it out. You're right--they're shameless--but conservatives are BETTER than them, so let's show that.

49 we're all hypocrites, dude.

A man who doesn't bend the rules in his own favor from time to time is a man who obviously doesn't like himself enough to cut himself some slack.

50 >>>Oh, and they hate Sarah Palin because she's a Christian and she's not shy about admitting it, and she doesn't apologize for it.

There is also the problem that Palin's faith, as she practices it and lives it, seems attractive and hip.

The MSM doesn't like that. They want their Christians dour, unattractive, and unlively.

51 Ace - I understood and agreed with what you were saying prior to the clarification but thank you for that. 

I point blank refuse to call myself a feminist because modern "feminism" is about nothing more than stripping women of power and turning women back into Victorian handmaiden, all swooning because some beastly man gave them the vapors.  That's not power.  That's weakness.  I loathe women who think that they cannot have both strength and femininity, who believe that a true Womyn is one who rejects and mocks men, who truly seem to think that making oneself actively unattractive is making some kind of political statement.  It's not.  It's pathetic and childish.

I've always known why they hate Palin so very very much.  She proves the idiocy of their game.

My attacks on Michelle Obama are ugly stuff. Furthermore, the left is always eager to spin any attack on the Obamas as racist, so I get why someone would want to keep a weather eye on such remarks.

My defense as to why I indulge in it is simple: The leftist media angers me so much I want to engage in push-back and, to the extent I can, tear Barack Obama's wife into shreds with the same ugly savagery the MSM shreds Sarah Palin and Bush's daughters.

I'll admit, I don't like the attacks (not that my opinion matters btw) but I do understand what you're doing.  The fact that it's ugly and brutal doesn't mean it's wrong.  Sometimes the mirror needs to be held up to show precisely what's being done.  Hell, I would be deeply concerned if you didn't think it was ugly.  But I didn't think that was the case.  Besides, the nice thing about being a grown up?  If I don't like it, I don't have to read it.  Easy peasy. 

52 Got get her, tiger.

53 Thanks, Ace.

54
Ah, yes, compare and contrast Sarah Palin with Caroline Kennedy.

Caroline Kennedy is a fucking dunce who has never done anything for anyone or accomplished anything significant in her life except be the daughter of JFK, yet she is a great choice to be appointed to the Senate.

Why do we take these leftwing fringe lunatics seriously?

55 Dang at April 03, 2009 06:22 PM (0kuJD)

This is a Meghan McCain thread?

56
They want their Christians dour, unattractive, and unlively.

...or gay.

57 I just want my husband to stop calling out her name over and over and over AND OVER every time he masturbates beside me thinking I'm asleep.

I'M RIGHT HERE IDIOT!!!!

I don't know what else to do.  I've offered to wear the boots and get the haircut, but he's just not interested anymore.

I winked one time, and he thought I was having a seizure.

Fuck Sarah Palin!

58 ehem... Where to begin?  The left brutalized Palin, much of it on prime time television and virtually every last bit of it was untrue, whether related to her private or her public life.  By the same token, much of the denigration of Princess Glark has been pretty mean, as well.  The hugh difference is that while the media is trying to pass her highness Glark off as this beautiful and fashionable goddess of the world - its not in the least bit true.  By the most generous standards, she is at best plain.  Denigrating the one's wife on the right side with what little attention it gets, may indeed be mean.  It may even be catharic.  But all it really does is nudge the fiction a tiny bit back toward reality. (But there's still a long way to go.)

59
The feminists have made women miserable by convincing them that they are victims. They are angry and bitter, not the recipe for success, which intensifies the frustration.

I am in areas full of twenty-somethings. who are angry and resentful. They hate men, they don't want kids and sense the yoke of the Patriarchy. The libs have really cheated lots of people with this crapola.

60 Good analysis all around. There's also the problem of minorities and women who wander off the plantation. Democrats attack them viciously because they're dangerous.

Palin's accomplishments make her a role model for any woman or girl, or they should. Athlete, outdoorswoman, wife, mother, and self-made government leader--honestly, what more could you ask for in a feminist role model. She does it all, and even though I'm a hetero chick, I love her madly for that. She reminds me of far more accomplished version of myself.

I don't know why more women can't admire her accomplishments, even if they disagree with her policies, a la Camille Paglia.

61 I believe that one reason they hate Sarah Palin so much is that she is authentically, honestly Christian, and that gives them the willies. When she praises the Lord, she does it with conviction. You can hear it in her voice. And there is a tremendous number of people out there, including as we found out a number of the conservative "elite" who think this trait reflects a certain amount of brain damage.

To them, it's one thing to do like Obama and many politicians do, and attend a church and make nice-nice with the Christian folk. But it's another thing entirely to be authentically and unapologetically Christian. It's viewed as a mental disorder.

62 >>>I''ll admit, I don't like the attacks (not that my opinion matters btw) but I do understand what you're doing.

I don't really like it either. Oh, sometimes I'll chuckle at some insult and so pat myself on the back, but as a general rule I'd rather not be in the business of insulting the first lady's looks.

BUT-- what the fuck am I to do when it is being insisted MO is a fucking sex goddess nonpareil?

I don't care about her looks -- I care about the fact that the MSM is being positively orwellian in calling a woman who is, frankly, sub-average in looks (not ugly, but sub-avearge) 'beautiful" and goddess-like every three seconds.

At some point you have to say "Bullshit, stop lying."

It's a trivial lie -- but it is a lie. And I resent the agenda behind it, which is not trivial.

63 The woman I know who 'hate' Palin are pretty, but they are snobs, usually academic snobs who went to Chicago, Penn or even UCLA, who look down on her because she went to 2nd tier schools.

But I think a lot of the criticism (at least from women) would disappear if she hired a speech coach to help her tone down her folksy way of talking. The "you betcha's" distract people from the substance of what she has to say.

64

What do you people see in her?

65

Now, my attacks on Michelle Obama aren't really going to change the world much, either. But at least they are cathartic.

Cathartic indeed. AoSHQ is a place to blow off steam. While maybe a few less pics of her in the Romulan armor (okay, it was teh funny) are probably in order, please don't stop. Otherwise, then, what would be the diff between HA and AoSHQ...nothing. But it is those differences that keep us coming back.

66 Democrats on some level claim ownership of things like entitlement programs, social security, civil rights, women, minorities, and gay rights. There is no chance they would let the first woman in the White House, let alone the Admiral's House,  be a Republican.

Palin being attractive and principled is just salt in the wound.

67
For people who go ga-ga over diversity they sure do hate others who are different from them.

Multiculturalism -- it's for everyone! _{except Conservatives/Christians}

68 Sarah Palin is a self made woman. Everything she's got she's had to work for. She makes no excuses for who she is. Libs hate her.

Caroline Kennedy is drooling idiot who can't string together 2 words and couldn't qualify to squeegy car windows by an off ramp and is where she is because of her family. Libs love her to death.

Worf is back end of mule ugly and had a job that only existed due to her husband's political influence. And Libs love her too.

Libs seem to only like women who are a product of the privilege class.

69 I don't understand the hate. I've had arguments with my friends and my sisters about why they despise her so much and all I get back is regurgitated wrong facts about her. But I do know that the hate is seriously at the visceral level; there is absolutely no reasoning with these women about Sarah Palin.

Facts don't really have anything to do with it - they loathe Palin for who she is and how she lives her life. The wrong facts/scandals are just something to hang their gut level hate on since they know that according to their own espoused feminist ideals they ought to support her. So it has to be that she is a bad, bad, bad person.

70

If you're going to go after Bristol Palin, I can't stop you. I can, however, pour the same venom on Michelle "Predator Queen" Obama. Tit for tat.

The Chicago Way-- You put one of mine in the "Fashion Faux-Pas" file, I put one of yours in the Romulan High Command.

Fuck yeah, this war and there's no rules in war (if you want to win that is).

71 How do you shame the MSM, when they have none?

72

I don't care about her looks -- I care about the fact that the MSM is being positively orwellian in calling a woman who is, frankly, sub-average in looks (not ugly, but sub-avearge) 'beautiful" and goddess-like every three seconds.

At some point you have to say "Bullshit, stop lying."

It's a trivial lie -- but it is a lie. And I resent the agenda behind it, which is not trivial. --ace at April 03, 2009 06:42 PM

 

BINGO.

73 I was debating a bunch of fortish single women like myself when the  left started in on Palin about her state college degree and how many schools she went to...I said, "And you deny being elitist?"

There were some, I shit you not, that went on about how they didn't understand the republican desire to drink a beer with their President, to uplift the 'average' as if thats a good thing. They wanted their President to be better than them, smarter.....WTF? Can you even think of one President you think was smarter than you? I can't.

These pople are insane. They think she isn't 'good enough'.

74

They're afraid of Sarah Palin because she's the epitome of everything the envious lefty bitches never were: smart, pretty, popular, athletic and TOUGH! She did what she did on her own, without help and without whining. None of the bastards, male or female, who rip on Palin would have the guts to say the crap they say about her to her face. The lefties are cowardly bastards who always hide behind anonymous attacks, and I completely despise them.

I'd be proud to shake Palin's hand. I don't know her personally but I know people who do--and they think she's damned impressive. The people giving her those accolades include senior members of the U.S. military. If she runs in 2012 she's got my full support.

Lefties, on the other hand...well, let's just say that if you admit voting for Obama (and I do ask), you'll not be allowed in my house or on my property, I'll not be patronizing your business, you'll not be doing any business with or work for me, and I'll treat you with the complete contempt and disdain you deserve. I've already had the opportunity to stick a few Obamabots in those ways and it's good to watch them suddenly realize that their political actions have personal consequences. To the extent that I can, within the law, I fully intend to make the bastards who elected that lying, jug-eared cretin pay for inflicting him on us.

75 I have been noticing that michelle obama doesn't look comfortable or genuinely happy in the clothes she is being made to wear. Its obvious, her handlers are trying to dress her up like Jackie O. I have no idea what her style of clothing was before her husband ran for POTUS. I remember when hillary's handlers in 92 were having her wear that stupid headband that made her look like Suzie Homemaker.

Speaking of ugly First Ladies, I will be the first to admit, michelle is much more attractive than Eleanor Roosevelt.

76

"In playing to the weak, wallflower women who don’t want to distinguish themselves in any way, feminism has become an advocacy group for those who lack appeal."

That's some good stuff...hit's it pretty much.

I can think of a friend who that describes to a t.

She seemed to viscerally hate that I found her attractive. Some deep seated stuff, she is very smart, that has something to do with it, I think...she has some issues.

It's a shame.

77 I think our good friend AP has simply uncloaked as the centrist Donk he's been all along. Nothing wrong with that, I guess, but I do miss the snarky old AP.

78 Don't get me started on how the Bush twins were treated. Jenna is a teacher in the DC public school system. For years she's been teaching poor black kids how to write well.

Barbara works for Global Health Corps, bringing medical aid to poor people in the third word. Both the girls have volunteered all over Africa and Central America working with AIDs victims.

Chelsea Clinton is a hedge fund manager. Nothing wrong with that, but the Bush girls are a bleeding heart lefty's wet dream--or they should be. But they're not, because their name is Bush.

79 62
BUT-- what the fuck am I to do when it is being insisted MO is a fucking sex goddess nonpareil?

Posted by: ace at April 03, 2009 06:42 PM (gEsIJ)       FIFY

80 To the extent that I can, within the law, I fully intend to make the bastards who elected that lying, jug-eared cretin pay for inflicting him on us.--Posted by: mac at April 03, 2009 06:47 PM

Reminds me of the email joke that went around after He was elected:

The owner of a company knew that, now that Teh One had been elected, things were going to change drastically. To prepare for the inevitable, he would have to layoff employees, but he didn't know how he would make his cuts. Eventually, it dawned on him to look in the parking lot: anyone with an O bumper sticker on his vehicle was gone. Layoffs done.

81 >>>I think our good friend AP has simply uncloaked as the centrist Donk he's been all along. Nothing wrong with that, I guess, but I do miss the snarky old AP.

No. Bear in mind it's not his site -- it's Michelle Malkin's.

And anything there can and will be attributed to his boss.

I have rather less to lose reputation-wise than Michelle Malkin. You're comparing apples and oranges.

82 I will be the first to admit, michelle is much more attractive.

Posted by: Ginger

You betcha sweetie.

83 I'm telling you guys, you're over thinking this. Forget Caroline Kennedy, take a look at Jennifer Granholm for a better comparison.

Both very attractive, self-made governors. Both popular in their home states. Both outdoorsy and athletic. Both high profile national players.

Palin is a proud conservative, Granholm an unapologetic liberal. The msm fawns over Granholm and hammers Palin. The msm hammers any conservative they feel is the least bit threatening and minimizes the flaws of any promising liberal.

It has always been thus.

84 Headline: On Michelle Malkin's "Hot Air," an Orgy of Racist Hate

He's just being protective of his patron.

85 God, Ginger, way to go out on a limb there. Hell, Trigger was more attractive than Eleanor Roosevelt!

86

#51   alexthechick

What woiuld be the likely hood  the republican party would have the balls to embrace a  "2 women" ticket?  Think about how angry a Palin/ Bachman ticket would be? To us it would empower us. They would never because they would be afraid that once they did this it would always be this way so they will oppress us from ever getting that high up - always have to have the man with the woman on a ticket - and while you have the woman on the ticket demean her. Just in case you know we might do something stupid like actually may do a better job then them. Or something silly like what would a First man actually do? This is how stupid they are when it comes to a woman. The more I hear men like allahpundt I want to rake his eyeballs out.

87 They hate Palin because she's the real deal and because they know she's the biggest threat to Obama in 2012.

While most of the current leading men (Romney-Huckabee-Jindal) are boring buffoons, Sarah energized the GOP.

88 Ace,

1. No apologies needed (I think) re the "professional women" label thingy. I think all/most of us knew what you meant.

2. Like Seattle, I really thank you for providing the occasional catty posts about Michelle O. They are exactly what you said -- cathartic. And damned funny. I re-read the Inauguration Day threads every couple of weeks just to get a good laugh. You and Iowahawk keep my spirits up.

But the fun thing about your blog is that everyone can contribute... whereas we have to just stand in awe of Iowahawk. You're the Rocky Horror Picture Show to Iowahawk's Hirsshorn.

To me the difference between the jokes about Michelle and jokes about Hillary's legs (or Condi's looks, which were much more vicious) is that Michelle is just a figurehead. She's not in an elected office and is not on the public stage for anything other than the circumstances of her marriage. So to me, at least, belittling her looks is no big assault on feminism (the good kind; I will not abdicate feminism to the leftists) or womankind.

3. I'm glad you don't participate in the blog wars. They can be pretty tiresome. And I know you are pals with Allah. But I wonder if he had really thought through his impulse to label jokes about the Klingon on the Wookie (my personal favorite) as closet racism. They simply aren't. What the heck is the relationship between a Wookie and a human being, for pity's sake? THEY'RE IMAGINARY! It's tantamount to being worked up about whether or not Bert and Ernie are teh ghey. Crazy.

And, for the record, there is much less bigotry on AoS than there is on Hot Air... you guys patrol your site much more aggressively. The religious and anti-gay bigotry on Hot Air (and I'm not talking about Allah, here, I mean the posters) is really bad and very embarassing.

89 The DemSM's dumpster diving teams in Anchorage who attacked her family with glee while ignoring every flaw of Teleprompter Messiah. That alone makes me laugh with evil glee whenever I read the teary tales of layoffs in newsrooms.

Peggy Noonan and Kathleen Parker hate Palin because they are over the hill catty twats

90

In playing to the weak, wallflower women who don’t want to distinguish themselves in any way

Ohh, I love them too.

91

Look, it's simpler than all that. I'm a woman, I deal with women all day, and they are just plain STUPID. I'm in constant amazement how stupid they are, how little they know about government, history, world affairs, taxes, the economy, cars, mortagages, interest rates, politics, literature, law, or even their friggin garbage disposal. Recently, at a party I removed an olive pit from the garbage disposal and was hailed as a heroine without par. They listen to entertainment tonight, NPR in the car or FM tunes, watch the cooking channel and read Glamour. They are just plain dumb.

I know there are a few out there that aren't but they are in the sad minority. By the way, I'm talking about metropolitan college educated women.

They hate Palin because they get the impression from whatever random idiot that came on before their entertainment show that they should.

 

92 57 I just want my husband to stop calling out her name over and over and over AND OVER every time he masturbates beside me thinking I'm asleep.

I'M RIGHT HERE IDIOT!!!!

I don't know what else to do.  I've offered to wear the boots and get the haircut, but he's just not interested anymore.

Fuck Sarah Palin!
Posted by: Kathleen Parker at April 03, 2009 06:37


Kathleen,

Use Listerine and Kum-Kleen wipes after polishing the Messiah knob. Hubby hates kissing me when I'm not fresh

93 My take...... the left made one huge fucking mistake attacking her family...... payback's a bitch .

94 It's true: I hate her because I am an over-the-hill catty twat.

95 i believe the problem that many feminists might have with Sarah is that she has shown us, you can be a mother, a wife a business woman, be successful, with strength. it abuses the notion .. we are weak and need,,beings  a  group OR a gvt. ALLOWING us to be.

96 84 Headline: On Michelle Malkin's "Hot Air," an Orgy of Racist Hate

He's just being protective of his patron.

Plus don't forget that women tend to be super sensitive about attacks on women's looks in general. Despite all the looks-based abuse heaped on her, I doubt that Michelle wants to be associated with this kind of thing and AP is just reflecting this. Whereas at AoSHQ we can continue to be our piggish, cruel, hobo-snuffing selves.

97 Think about how angry a Palin/ Bachman ticket would be? To us it would empower us. They would never because they would be afraid that once they did this it would always be this way so they will oppress us from ever getting that high up - always have to have the man with the woman on a ticket - and while you have the woman on the ticket demean her.

I disagree Polly. This sounds a tad...bitter. I went to the GOP rallies in my area. Northern Virginia, and she was the rock star. No one, including myself, was there for McCain. No, they weren't oppressing her, they were supporting her. They admired who she was and what she stood for. So did I. We were all excited and it was all about Palin.

2012. I hope she goes for it.

98 Fuck Allah in the ass.  Seriously, I've about reached my limit with Hot Air.  Fuck him with a red hot poker straight in the ass.  Being nice does nothing in the scheme of things, so yeah, Michelle is Worf.  If he can't see it, he's fucking blind.  If he can't deal with it, fuck him. 

99 @73 redstatedeb

I had a similar conversation with my (former) best friend during the election. We're both in our mid-20s. She went to Stanford and I went to UCLA, and as everyone knows, both are super liberal colleges. When I asked her why she hated Palin, she gave me basically the same answer the women you talked to did. She said Palin's dangerous and stupid and a hick, etc etc. I tried in vain to defend Palin, saying she was accomplished and smart and the real deal and people like someone they can relate to. I was ignored. My former friend also said she wanted a president smarter than she was because a president should be smart and world opinion is the end all be all of our existence. Well, I hope she's happy with Uhbama and Slow Joe because those two are smarter than 52% of the country.

As to the media calling Michelle the next Jackie Kennedy, I want to strangle every reporter I hear say that. Jackie Kennedy has a zillion times more class as a corpse than Michelle Obama does at all. In the earlier thread with MO and Carla Bruni, that dress MO was wearing was eye poppingly ugly. The woman does NOT make good fashion choices.

100 >>>. But I wonder if he had really thought through his impulse to label jokes about the Klingon on the Wookie (my personal favorite) as closet racism. They simply aren't. What the heck is the relationship between a Wookie and a human being, for pity's sake? THEY'RE IMAGINARY! It's tantamount to being worked up about whether or not Bert and Ernie are teh ghey. Crazy.

it's not crazy. as a blog-proprietor myself, I wrestle with where the line is, and different people can disagree. I have no probem iwth the worf thing, or wookiee thing, but I do get how it can be considered racist, as we're talking about imaginary creatures, yes, but "less evolved" or more animalistic, and that starts to hint at yadda yadda yadda.

There are lines you don't want to cross. Some are blurry. Some times people may say, "Because the line is blurry, I just don't want anything near the line."

The other thing is that when a free-fire zone is declared, there are in fact some people chomping at the bit to actually cross the line and start up with the old, tired, offensive racist jokes, and they take these kinds of attacks on BO or MO as invitations to such. "Friendly crowd." "People who will appreciate this stuff."

And then it gets very hard, not to mention tedious, to explain why a Wookiee joke is okay but a gorilla joke is not.

101 Palin...meh, nice gams BUT THAT Meeeeshell...My Bell...hubba hubba boom chikka boom!!nga'chuq-y fer sure

102 I read HotAir to see what Drudge put up a couple hours before. Allahpundit can kiss my ass. I never registered there, nor do I care to. Captain Ed is the sole redeeming quality to that site. The commentors....not so much, especially if AP is moderating.

103 >>>Plus don't forget that women tend to be super sensitive about attacks on women's looks in general. Despite all the looks-based abuse heaped on her, I doubt that Michelle wants to be associated with this kind of thing and AP is just reflecting this.

Right, exactly. And as MM has been the butt of such jokes -- and has cited them as evidence of liberal derangement -- for allah to allow the same with MM would make MM look like a hypocrite.

104

Lots of good points, and I agree that the Dems feared her, not least for interfering with what they thought would be a cake-walk over McCain, but to put Ace's point that she is envied by professional women in a larger context, I think Liberals hate her because she challenges their stereotypes about Republicans. 

The only other vitriol that rises the execrable levels unleashed on Palin (and don't kid yourself--she got it much worse) is usually directed towards minorities, especially blacks, that are Republicans (ask Clarence Thomas).

You'll notice that jokes by Stewart, Maher, et al. rely solely on stereotype for their effect--there is no wit or wordplay, merely ratification of the stereotype.  Liberals cannot adequately defend their beliefs by logic because they rely so much on inherited beliefs about Republicans--their stereotype and the concomitant sense of their own superiority is all they have.

So, when someone comes along to challenge these beliefs, they react most viciously--the very core of their self-identity is being threatened.  As they say, when you start getting flak...you know you're over the target.

105 They tried to make Reagan in to a caricature too. In fact, the Left makes any conservative who threatens them ideologically into a caricature because it makes them feel more sanctimonious.

I think though, that in her case, it is something different than with Reagan or other conservatives.

I'm not quite sure if it a difference of magnitude or kind but whatever it is, it seems to touch a nerve that is buried deep and engenders a response that is visceral and unreasoning to the point of well, dementia.

If you think I overstate my characterization, please take a look at this post in the Women on Faith forum at the Washington Post, especially the replies, and tell me what you think.

On balance, I found it to be rather disturbing and more than a little bit surprising but that may just be a consequence of naïveté on my part, I don't know.  I do know that I have seen more than my share of BDS on display but I always had the feeling that most of it was rather cynicaly manufactured and that very few of those engaging in such posturing sincerely believed their hyperbolic claims.

Clearly, the caricaturing of Palin in the media is just as cynical and transparent as it has ever been with conservatives.  It doesn't surprise me in the least that the usual suspects are doing their best to cultivate their propaganda.  What I find creepy is the previously unsuspected (at least by me) cache of Miracle-Grow that so many women not in the messaging game seem to have been carting around all this time.

106 I mean, if he allowed the same with MO it would make MM look like a hypocrite.

107 "Piper Palin in 2040^*!!!11!! Woot!"

Right on!

108 Allahpundit is a total fucking two-faced pussy.

He wags his finger over the Worf comments and threatens to ban them. He denies allowing Sarah Palin jokes even though archives catch him personally laughing at them himself. Then when he's caught at that finally today threatens to ban anyone making Palin comments after he got caught.

As I said in a previous thread, Allahpundit is just like one of those concentration camp sonderkommando who pushed his fellow Jews into the gas chambers in exchange for better treatment from the SS.

Go work for Huffpo with all the other phonies, AP

109

97. redstatedeb

I too live here in NOVA - I am referring to after the campaign the so called leaks. Mccain staffers were horrid. I really got angry.  I didn't mean to be bitter - im actually very happy and cute :-)

110 And this post, above all others, is why I want to have a Bromance with Ace.

111

they are just plain STUPID

Thank you, Dagny Tagert.  Thank you very much.  Someone needed to say it, and that someone needed to have a vagina.

112 allah is not the most important person on Hot Air. MM is. It's her franchise, and she has the most to lose.

That's not denigrating Allah. Just saying, MM is on fox all the time and is a bestselling author. She ranks just a few slots below Coulter and Rush in importance as a communicator for the conservative movement.

Her brand is much more precious than any wookiee joke -- no matter how well-crafted it might be. precious not just to her, but to the party and movement.

So some perspective is needed here.

113 48 AllahPundit, of course, is a hypocrite, albeit an extremely entertaining one. However, personal attacks on just about ANYONE get quite old. We're not going to beat the left by becoming them, so cut it out. You're right--they're shameless--but conservatives are BETTER than them, so let's show that.

Pick a target, freeze it, personalize it, polarize it - Alinsky's Rules for Radicals

The Obamas are devout devotees of Saul Alinsky

You're bringing a butterknife to a gunfight my friend

114 God, Ginger, way to go out on a limb there. Hell, Trigger was more attractive than Eleanor Roosevelt!


In a bloodbath of whose uglier: Eleanor Roosevelt or Helen Thomas.

115 Everybody knows that Christian women are supposed to be meek little doormats for their fat ugly husbands.  They're also supposed to inflict their Church Lady standards on everybody else with a righteous hammer of purse-lipped judgmentalism and enlist the power of the state to suppress the gays, the single mothers, the condom-makers, atheists, people who wear white after Labor Day, etc., etc.  So an attractive, confident, accomplished Christian woman with a handsome, supportive, and obviously happy husband who professes limited-government conservatism and (eek!) actually governs that way DOES NOT COMPUTE.  She does not fit the narrative.

116

Look, it's simpler than all that. I'm a woman, I deal with women all day, and they are just plain STUPID. I'm in constant amazement how stupid they are, how little they know about government, history, world affairs, taxes, the economy, cars, mortagages, interest rates, politics, literature, law, or even their friggin garbage disposal. Recently, at a party I removed an olive pit from the garbage disposal and was hailed as a heroine without par. They listen to entertainment tonight, NPR in the car or FM tunes, watch the cooking channel and read Glamour. They are just plain dumb.

Dagny, as a man I would have been reluctant to put it so bluntly. However, you're right. The number of women I've known in my life who would be capable of holding an impromptu, but educated, discussion on American politics, much less world politics (FORGET economic policy; it's not even on their radar), I can number on the fingers of my hands. I'm in my 50's, with advanced degrees. That I've seen so few is truly sad. It's not that they're incapable; they're just not interested, apparently because "that stuff is somebody else's problem and they'll take care of it for me." I've seen the same attitude toward learning how to change a tire; the mindset seems to be this blissful certainty that someone else will always be there to do that type of thing.

117 In a bloodbath of whose uglier: Eleanor Roosevelt or Helen Thomas.

Helen Thomas, hands down. She lives in an age of cosmetic surgery and professional stylists. She had no excuse.

Plus, she's ugly on the inside.

118 "What do you people see in her?"

Some men see them in her.

119 There are lines you don't want to cross. Some are blurry. Some times people may say, "Because the line is blurry, I just don't want anything near the line."

The lines are being drawn by the other . Fuck him if this agenda driven bullshit elicits comments that don't shine his cock . It's time to DEFINE just where the lines are ... for fuck sakes .

120 kdabear,

I don't think you're looking at this right. The more prominence you have, the more critical to the movement you are, the more careful you must be.

Newt Gingrich and Mitt Romney and Fred Thompson don't make wookiee jokes. Maybe they appreciate them... but they damnsure don't make them.

Michelle Malkin is a "respectable" commentator, and Hot air, just due to its size, is respectable. Has to be. It simply cannot be as loose as a less prominent blog.

121 "I've always known why they hate Palin so very very much.  She proves the idiocy of their game."

And that's some brilliant insight.

"I've had arguments with my friends and my sisters about why they despise her so much and all I get back is regurgitated wrong facts about her. But I do know that the hate is seriously at the visceral level; there is absolutely no reasoning with these women about Sarah Palin."

Just happened to me last weekend. Went at it hammer and tong in the middle of a hipster bar here in Chicago (the Hopleaf) with a buddy's wife who couldn't get past the msm bullet points- no reasoning, indeed. Did manage to piss off a few tables of would be hippies though, so there was that silver lining.

Michelle Obama- who knew bridge trolls grew that tall?

122
What's really interesting is that Allah, I think, feels he's appealing to a like-minded niche bloc out there. I guess he thinks there is a portion of the GOP anti-Democrats who read HA that are inline with his own centrist views.

He's right...

there's andros.

123 As to the Allah thing, how do you shame someone who has no shame?  Trying to protect your own rep from the libs or the MSM?  You can't, you're a conservative (or republican or christian or neo-con or whatever) so you are by definition a racist, sexist, jingoist, nationalist, whatever-ist they've decied to demonize today.  Get over it.  This ground has been covered again and again and again.  You've already lost the argument by ceding the deifnitions to them. 

124 we might lose the argument with many  other americans when we pick out physical characteristic as meaningful in a heavy political discussion , if it's a serious discussion that is not relevant and makes us look silly and light .)although it is great for a release mechanism among friends)

125

I'M RIGHT HERE IDIOT!!!

I am laughing my ass off at your plight, KP.

I'm so lucky -- Mr. Y-not does not think she's hawt. My only problem is that he's got a man-crush on Brad Pitt.

126 I would've stayed with Bristol just to hang out with her mom.

127

My sister and I got into quite a fight while visiting the old hometown at Christmas time. I knew ahead of time that my sister, who would fit the description of a ball busting liberal woman, who resides in Chicago and has done business with some people in this administration, was an avid back of Obama. I knew this because my mother asked me to keep the peace and not allows national politics to cause any family fights or arguments at Christmas time. Fair enough. I am the reasonable one. I am still a registered Dem but I voted for McCain Palin because of Palin's addition. Also, because Obama's a big faker. Anyway, to make matters short, within 48 hours, my sister demanded to know who I voted for in the election. I told her McCain. She asked why and I told her Obama was not qualified to be a senator, let alone a president and I could never vote for a socialist. Her response? She went off on a 5 minute hate rampage about Sarah Palin. Not about McCain. It was pure PDS. Bottom line? I think that women like my sister hate Gov Palin because she proves that you can have it all and still be successful. My sister went for career over family and when she sees Palin with both, it fills her with rage.

I also think that there is a certain section of the Left that is enraged that she did not abort her last child. Like Andrew Sullivan.  

 

           

128

Holy Effin Shiite I figured all this out by Aug 30 of last year!- don't need no expert to tell me the obvious now.

And we don't do our side any favors in viciously attacking Michelle, then complaining when the other side viciously attacks our women. The sexist misogynist component is not helpful. It's fun to vent, but in the end it accomplishes nothing except start an 'arms race' of insults.

All we can do is fact check accusations, and constanly point out the hateful sexist misogyny of Democrats and liberals when it comes to conservative women. True, one cannot shame the shameful, but we must hammer away.

WHO'S WITH ME?!?

Yeeeaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!

 

129 >>>It's time to DEFINE just where the lines are ... for fuck sakes .

I've had to caution posters against going over the line like three times in the past two yeas so I get it.

Some jokes are fine, some are edgy -- on the line but still okay -- and some are over the line.

People disagree, but ultimately the guy who's running the show has to set some standards.

130 Dagny, I know exactly where you're coming from. I worked in an all female law firm for 6 years. The only men we had were gay. No straight man was allowed to be hired. (I kid you not.) For being lawyers, they were the dumbest women I knew and they were all liberals. I'm glad I quit before the election because I knew they would start hammering on me (since they knew I was a conservative) closer to November. The only exception was the office manager (a very practical and libertarian woman) and she and I are still very good friends to this day.

I like being a girl. I really do. But I don't like being with a big group of women for periods of time longer than say 15 minutes.

131

While the Obama knob slobberers were finding no bottom low enough for them to crawl under in their zeal to attack Sarah, with a behind the scenes help from the Obama campaign, McCain refused to even discuss Bill Ayers.

How did that "let's be nice" bit work out for us?

 

132 Feminism only exists because we live in a country that can afford to support it. When that framework collapses, feminism will collapse. If you think feminism will survive in, shall we say, a harsher environment than we currently enjoy (re: America as a third world country), you're fucking dreaming. And that's exactly where we are headed. The same applies to gay rights and all the other subversive crap pushed on the population by liberals. When America finally goes down the toilet, you can kiss all this touchy-feely shit goodbye.

133 Michelle Malkin's a babe, too.

134 124 we might lose the argument with many other americans when we pick out physical characteristic as meaningful in a heavy political discussion , if it's a serious discussion that is not relevant and makes us look silly and light .)although it is great for a release mechanism among friends)
Posted by: willow at April 03, 2009 07:15 PM (GkYyh)


True, but Michelle Obama is not a politician. She's the president's consort (not counting the TOTUS of course).

I may be being too nuanced here, but as a woman I really make a big distinction between sniping at some woman who is a media darling with no responsibilities over her looks and belittling someone like Hillary over her cankles. There's simply no damage, in my estimation, to the "women's movement" if I choose to make catty remarks about some guy's wife (or a reporter or whatever).

Just my two cents.

135

>> I've had to caution posters against going over the line like three times in the past two yeas so I get it.

Wait.  I got three warnings in 2 years.

 

 

 

faaaaaaack.

136

Deety, my uninvited comment follows this:

Was there no one there worthy enough to speak to God with her?

Worthy? Has Christianity been portrayed so poorly that non-Christians believe that one must have moral miles or points with God in order to pray?

Unbelievable. And sad.

 

137

They hate men, they don't want kids and sense the yoke of the Patriarchy.

Watch how fast that attitude changes when they're starving to death in the ruins of America.

138 I think that the attractiveness issue does come into play with Palin, but I think the bigger issue is she so encapsulates the perfect conservative values.  The left wing media knows she will be a force in the future for conservatives, so the more they can attack her now before the next elections, the more likely they can get something to stick.  It is the democrats way to attack, that is their method to succeed sadly.

139

Any truth to the rumor Michelle is slated for Alien 5, the White House years?

First Lady, by HR Giger.

140 Aw man, why did you have to bring up the cankles...

141

Both very attractive, self-made governors. Both popular in their home states. Both outdoorsy and athletic. Both high profile national players.

Alaska is still in fair shape and people are considering moving there to "get away from it all"

Michigan is a zombie state that was in recession long before the rest of us. People are trying desperately to move out of MI if they haven't already.

142 And then it gets very hard, not to mention tedious, to explain why a Wookiee joke is okay but a gorilla joke is not.

So the rule seems to be that any simian references are off limits, non-existent creatures (yeti/wookie/klingon) are definitiely in-bounds, and anything else is discretionary.

143

Ace, I just finished reading "1984" again. When I read the book, I was reminded again of Newspeak, the language the Party imposes on citizens to keep their minds from wandering too far astray. That, in turn reminded me of Groupthink.

The term Groupthink wasn't actually used in "1984" but the idea of it is there. People are pressured to abandon critical thinking and to conform all of their thoughts to the prescribed viewpoints in order to promote group cohesiveness. Depending on the needs of the Party, the prescribed viewpoint may shift without logic or warning. For instance, Oceania may be at war with Eastasia. When the enemy is suddenly changed by the Party from Eastasia to Eurasia, all memory of the previous war with Eastasia is blotted out and all resources are immediately focused on hating Eurasia, which is now defined as "always" having been the enemy.

No logic allowed. No memory allowed. No reasoning allowed. And when you think about it, that's how the Liberals/Socialists/Obamaphiles operate. Whenever the leadership defines something as being true, all of their followers agree to it. It doesn't have to be internally consistent or logical. They can advocate women's rights and tell their followers to ignore the fact that Bill Clinton cheats on his wife and that Ted Kennedy actually let a woman drown under a bridge. They can advocate that women break the glass ceiling, but instruct their followers to hate on Sarah Palin, even though her leadership has inspired many women to believe that they, too, could make it in politics.

Conservatives don't do groupthink. They don't go on Fox and interchangeably spout the same conservative talking points as every other conservative. But Liberals do. They are cookie cutter clones. They don't stray from what their leadership tells them to think. It's comforting, it gives them a group identity, it spares them from having to think on their own, and their leadership assures them that if they subscribe to whatever the groupthink happens to be, they will automatically be better people than the mean, nasty Conservatives who dare to think on their own. And if Obama is successful in shutting down talk radio, Fox News and the conservative internet, groupthink is coming to a neighborhood near you.

144 >>>s to the Allah thing, how do you shame someone who has no shame? Trying to protect your own rep from the libs or the MSM? You can't, you're a conservative (or republican or christian or neo-con or whatever) so you are by definition a racist, sexist, jingoist, nationalist, whatever-ist they've decied to demonize today. Get over it. This ground has been covered again and again and again. You've already lost the argument by ceding the deifnitions to them.

Not true.

Besides, this isn't all about the MSM. Some people don't like racist jokes and they won't frequent a site that trafficks in them.

Personally I don't want to run a site that has a free-fire zone policy for racist jokes. It makes me feel dirty and low and cheap. And that feeling is widely shared. Not unanimously, but widely.

There are always rules for any social institution. Even a blog-site. Some parties you go to, you're formal. Others you're casual. Others you don't even have to wear a covering over your genitals.

Not everything is allowed here. I banned some guy for calling a woman "cunt" twice in rapid succession.

There is this libertarian conceit that a lot of people have, which I, admittedly, used to subscribe to when I was a commenter getting grief for edgy comments, but as the guy who's running the site, I'm less taken with the extreme libertarian let-everyone-figure-it-out posiition.

People don't like spam and lots of other stuff, incuding vulgarity. (Obviously allowed here, mostly, but not allowed elsewhere.) People go to social gatherings that more or less hit their personal comfort zone -- and I'm sorry, old-school racist nonsense is outside of most people's comfort zones by this time, so anyone pressing for the full-libertarian model has to take that into account. Most people don't want to see it and don't want to frequent a site that has a lot of that.

145 Good post and good comments. I think one of the biggest things is that Palin is pro-life. Liberal feminism seems to me to be all about being pro-abortion. Can anyone name a prominent pro-life liberal? I can't.

146

A smart, funny woman with no chip on her shoulder is the sexiest thing on the planet.  Some of you ladies hear flip my switch with your pithy little funny comments, and I know nothing of your physical characteristics.

The other kind of woman, hateful and jealous and backstabbing (and I know there are degrees and ranges), are nothing but trouble.  Guys put up with them because evolution has it that they like and want sex.  Eunuchs do not put up with stupid women.

147

Ace,

Bravo!!!!  Well written to the point and oh soooo true. Now if that was posted on the Daily Kos, or Moveon, it would go very quickly into their memeory hole, because they who claim to be the eepitome of 'Free Speech' wouldn't want something so flammable and true to be posted where their readers could see something of truth.

By the way, have you ever seen the backside of Michelle? It blocks out wide screen photography. It seems to eclipse everything from her right and left in a photo.

But who am I?

148 Working for lawyers over the last sixteen years cured me of any notion that a law degree guarantees intelligence or wisdom.

There have been some nice people, mind you, and lots of people who know a great deal about the law, but a remarkable number of utter flaming dumbasses, too, so many that it really alarms me how many national politicians are lawyers.

149

"I like being a girl. I really do. But I don't like being with a big group of women for periods of time longer than say 15 minutes.
"

I love being a woman mostly because I love men and I get to talk to them and...well at least one. I've got a couple of advanced degrees but that is definately not where I learned not to be stupid. Like said above, most women are not engaged.

The other day as I dropped my littlest one off at preschool, a woman runs up and tells me her car won't start. I asked about her battery--no clue. Went over and it was the battery. I didn't have cables because I had a new car and they were in the other one. We began asking around for cables. I was mostly met with blank stares until finally a guy in an itty-bitty car had some. He didn't want to use his car to jump her van because of the size differential (groan) so I hooked it up to mine. Her battery was 4 years old so I told her to drive to Sears, do not turn off the engine till she got there and have a new battery popped in. "Oh, no. I'm going home to call my husband." And she did. Same woman, college, job, urban, burberry clad, also said to me, "Palin, Reeeeaaaalllly?"

Just Stupid.

150 by the way, I am aware of the irony, and hypocrisy, of having criticized Rush for his impolitic four words and sitting here making wookiee jokes.

The difference is (besides hypocrisy) is that I'm just not important.

Meanwhile, MM and Hot Air are more important.

151 Others you don't even have to wear a covering over your genitals.

That may be true in my club, but dammit, you WILL wear a tie.

152
>..but as a general rule I'd rather not be in the business of insulting the first lady's looks.
I will be happy to do that for you!

A caller to Levin yesterday talked about how annoyed she is about the MSM's attention to Michelle's arms. That it is a result of diverting attention away from her stomach and hips. Funny, because it's true.
MO writes that the path she chose by attending Princeton would likely lead to her ‘further integration and/or assimilation into a white cultural and social structure that will only allow me to remain on the periphery of society; never becoming a full participant.’
Michele Obama clearly has a chip on her shoulder.
Not only does she see separate black and white societies in America, but she elevates black over white in her world.
Michelle Obama does not look into a crowd of Obama supporters and see Americans. She sees black people and white people eternally conflicted with one another. Michelle Obama’s intellectually refined racism should give all Americans pause for deep concern.
Now maybe she’s changed, but she sure sounds like someone with an axe to grind with America. Will the press let Michelle get a free pass over her obviously racist comment about American whites? I am sure that it will. But it shouldn’t.
There is only one reason anyone could like this racist or Him© and that is to be a racist! She is as bad off in the brain as her towel head wanna be husband.

153 W's job was to make sure that no viable candidate would be ready to take his place. McAmnesty was the preordained loser.

We've been sold out.

154

allah is not the most important person on Hot Air. MM is. It's her franchise, and she has the most to lose.

Hmm.

Ace, I've never taken part in any Allah bashing. I don't believe he's evil or liberal or whatever.

There has been much allowed at Hot Air over the years. NOW there's a line being drawn? There were so many racist comments there during the ammesty debates that I just stopped reading the comments on those threads. Where were Michelle and Allah then?

It just doesn't sit well that this is the tipping point for them.

If you, who used to post about fearing brown people, started saying jokes like that weren't funny now, I'd question you about it.

155
She's betrayed the sisterhood.
The either/or propositions of feminism are not supposed to be overturned.  Especially with such apparent ease* and grace** by one of those people.

*Doing what we can to minimise the value of  industrial quantities of smarts and determination.
** Couldn't she at least have sturdy ankles or wear the signs of her struggles on her sleeve for all the world to see?  Just look at the First Lady.  You just know by her demeanor that she remembers every perceived slight or disadvantage.

156 Every time someone refers to Tushar as a brown person, my computer dies. What's up with that?

157 I maintain that MM made a good business decision picking Allah.  His inveterate conservative bashing (esp. Palin and Coulter) irritates conservatives just enough to form an emotional attachment and keep them going back and keeping the traffic up.  Also he has created a large following of nonconservatives on HA.  These nonconservatives are anti-liberal and anti-socialist and they buy into any guilt sown by the MSM about such red herrings as Coulter's tone and whatever it is that Palin did wrong (someday we might get an accurate post-mortem on that).

158

Ace,

The left is going to accuse us of racism no matter what. The lovely Angie Harmon has to put up with screams that she's a racist just because she's not slobbering over the First Knob.

Prevent defense never wins my friend.

When you let the left decide what's fair and proper and play by your rules, you're always playing with your back against your own goal line

I understand MM's rules for civility since she's highly visible.

That said, Allahpundit is still a two-faced phony

 

159

I like being a girl. I really do. But I don't like being with a big group of women for periods of time longer than say 15 minutes.

Took the words right out of my mouth. It's like music to my ears some days when the hubby says to me, "Honey, you get it (politics, finance, whatever)  because you don't think like most women". _{[beams with pride]}

Must be why I enjoy this smart milblog.

 

Oh and Ace: you are that important.

160 The Chicago Way-- You put one of mine in the "Fashion Faux-Pas" file, I put one of yours in the Romulan High Command.

Yet another keyboard falls victim to an AoS induced spit take.

161 Not me, ace, I say call a spade a spade.

Ooops....

162 >>Alaska is still in fair shape and people are considering moving there to "get away from it all"

Alaska is an oil rich state that literally pays it's citizens. That's not Palin's fault but she benefits from it mightely.

But you sort of make my point for me. Yea, Michigan is a basket case state, primarily because of the auto industry, yet Granholm was mentioned as a possible Sect'y of Commerce. The msm adores her and she is constantly on the tube doing interviews. She and Palin are very similar in their profiles with the single biggest difference between their politics. If Palin was a liberal, everything else being the same, she would be an msm superstar.

163 Oh and Ace: you are that important.

+1

If nothing else, you turned me on to Steak and BJ Day!

164

153: Yeah, it's Bush's fault. Really it's just the sheeple, the stupid, uninformed, cliched, talking point listening, lacking of integrity, intellectually dishonest, free stuff getting, wanting to be liked sheeple. And McCain sucked because he was a "moderate." I hate moderates. Either get up to pee or go back to sleep but bedwetters make me ill.

165 You've already lost the argument by ceding the deifnitions to them.


What can one do ?

166

If nothing else, you turned me on to Steak and BJ Day!

LOL! Good times.

167 From the primary and election period, but debunking Palin myths and media-planted false stories.

168 I have rather less to lose reputation-wise than Michelle Malkin. You're comparing apples and oranges.

Well, obviously you know him better than I do, so I'll take your word for it. But I've been reading AP's stuff for a long time, since way before HotAir came around, and I liked him better back when he was a pissy, snarky, more-intelligent version of the gent we see on HotAir these days. Just my two sheckels.

One of the reasons I post here rather than elsewhere is that this community is full of smart, funny, well-informed people who aren't afraid to be silly or vulgar. If anything smells worse in my nose than P.C., it's self-enforced P.C. You run pretty light on the ban-hammer, for example -- how long did you tolerate cedarford before you gave him the boot? I view that as a positive: both that you tolerated him; and that you finally had enough and gave him the boot.

Sigh. You know what I'd like? Another zombie thread.

169

^{"Oh and Ace: you are that important."}

Seconded!

_Homo.

170

Personally I don't want to run a site that has a free-fire zone policy for racist jokes. It makes me feel dirty and low and cheap.

But not in a good way?

Let us know how to comment in a way that makes you feel dirty and low and cheap the right way.

171

My best friend is a brother, and I'm of the cracker persuasion.  We give each other hell about race, stereotyping and calling each other all sorts of things.  Nothing is off limits except that nasty n-bomb.  Having grown up around mostly black people, I have more respect than that.  Brother has made me laugh so hard making fun of every race, especially crackery, that I couldn't catch my breath.
Point being, race is just another way people are funny.  I have great times with people that don't take themselves too seriously and know that race is an artificial distinction.  The most racist people I've met, usually libs that treat minorities as children, are so race conscious, it borders on psychotic.

172

I've said this before on my blog, but here goes again:

'they' hate Palin because Sarah has it all- family, career, happiness- AND SHE DIDN'T HAVE TO SELL OUT HER WOMB TO DO IT.

 

The liberal women and feminists who aborted themselves of their children over and over to pursue... whatever, and are now childless in their 40s and 50s, probably hate themselves for all they gave up in the pursuit of politically correct goals. Sarah Palin beat them all, and gets to have a wonderful life with a husband and 5 kids to boot!

This drives the feminists crazy. And they can't admit they made the wrong choice, cuz that's bad for The Movement- might lose elections. So they externalize, they project- and  hate on Sarah instead.

173

Haven't seen mentioned the liberal love of being bound by convention.

For all their honorifics about how free they are, they are, by far, some of the most rigid idiots I have ever come across.

Palin exemplifies freedom and a FUCK YOU attitude that the liberal statists, statists of the mind and otherwise, absolutely hate.

If she can be free, why can't they? Well, they are totally shitfaced frightened of freedom and the cling to whatever vagina monologue they can.

That guy who wrote the paragraph you quoted was right on the money. I know feminists and that is them perfectly.

And Michelle's ass is so big, Andi Sullivan is jealous.

174 "My attacks on Michelle Obama are ugly stuff."  That MO post and comment thread yesterday was the funniest thing I've read so far this year!  Thanks to all.

175 "Sigh. You know what I'd like? Another zombie thread."

You know what I'd like?  To find some fellow morons to play Left 4 Dead with on Xbox Live.

Anyone?  Anyone?

Gamertag:  NYKensington

176
BUT-- what the fuck am I to do when it is being insisted MO is a fucking sex goddess nonpareil?

And that's it precisely.  It's pretty damn clear you'd be way way way way happier not to have to do this.  That's what makes the difference.  There's not much else that can be done.  I'm not one for the whole turning the other cheek thing unless by doing so I can get a better line of sight to rip someone's throat out.  Of course it makes people uncomfortable.  That's.  The.  Point.  Holy hell if it's not fucking obvious by now that the posters/commenters here actually like strong women, I don't know what else can be said.  So it's ugly.  Well, here's a tiny little taste of what it's like to be on the Right.

Working for lawyers over the last sixteen years cured me of any notion that a law degree guarantees intelligence or wisdom.

Oh hell yes.  My personal experience is that having a J.D. pretty much guarantees utter jackassery.  And no, I'm not excluding myself from that. 

177 You know why they really hate her? Because she's the kind of broad you want by yer side when the zombies come to town.....

Me too, Monty.

178 So, I guess ACE isn't worried about being on Fox news in the future? Good for you. The site works better when you're not worried what might come up in some TV interview.

Also, I think libs hate Palin is because libs feel that she should be one of them. She goes against everything they stand for and doesn't bow down to their crazy ideas like a lot of women do.

179

So it was okay to refer to Sarah Palin as a pig with lipstick ( wink wink, nudge nudge ) , but not okay to refer to Michelle as a Worf.

I don't think it was Sarah who called names first.

And it is not my fault that Michelle Obama has thundercloud brows and a menacing air, even when she's smiling. That's just a fact.

About 90 percent of the personal attacks come from the Left. That's just the truth.

180 >> I liked him better back when he was a pissy, snarky, more-intelligent version of the gent we see on HotAir these days. Just my two sheckels.

Man, don't I know it?  Back in the day, I was such a bizzatch!

181 ^{"This drives the feminists crazy. And they can't admit they made the wrong choice, cuz that's bad for The Movement-"}

I think it's worse than that.  I think a lot of people who make life-ruining choices can't admit it because it would just be too much to bear.

182 Count me as a woman that hates being in a group of women. I think its because I went to an all girls high school. Don't get me wrong, I can get along with women. Its just that if I am around them too long, I start losing brain cells and I want to strangle them.

183 I have very little use for feminists, unless of course they are bagging my groceries or vacuuming my carpeting.

184 and Sarah did it without having to get on her knees for a crusty of liberal Senator or lawyer for that first important job out of that Ivy League school they went to.

I bet the taste of that BJ is burning in there barren craws whenever someone mentions Sarah.

185 Individual reporters can be easily shamed if you do it the right way. See if you spot my posts in these searches:

peekURL.com/zqb2lvj

peekURL.com/z7h5zb5

186 I can get along with women. Its just that if I am around them too long, I start losing brain cells and I want to strangle them.

Got any Canadian in you ?

187

Romulan High Command?

Ace, Michelle Obama is what you get when you let the dark side of the force have its way with you...and your women!

188 Dagny @ 149

That reminds me of a story my former office manager told me about the lawyers we worked for. We had a water cooler than had both a hot water spigot and a cold water spigot. When my office manager first started working at this firm, they told her the hot water spigot was broken and had been from the beginning. The office manager, being a smart, practical woman (who had no college degree but was a former dancer with the San Francisco Ballet and 20 years of hospital experience) checked the water cooler and lo and behold, the hot water spigot worked fine. Turns out none of the lawyers knew that to work the hot water spigot, one had to push the tab in and then push down for the hot water to come out. So, my already low opinion of lawyers went even farther down.


I love men. Since I graduated college, the majority of my friends have been men. I just find them easier to deal with and talk to about most things. If I cared enough, I'd feel sorry for those bitter "feminists" who make men the enemy and are perpetual victims of the "patriarchy." That just doesn't sound like an appealing life to lead.

189 Count me as a woman that hates being in a group of women.

Specific women are fantastic.  Women in groups tend not to be. 

I maintain my belief that there is nothing crueler in the world than a group of 13 year old girls. 

190 As for Hot Air, Allah likes to chortle about the people who complain but keep coming back, and he's got a point, at least with regard to me.  But he's missing something that might be important:  I still go there and participate in the discussions somewhat, but I no longer recommend it to anyone else like I used to. 

191 Whenever I see a muslim woman being beat because she had men in her house that weren't her relatives. I say a big hearty "fuck you" to the supposed feminists.

192 I have very little use for feminists, unless of course they are bagging my groceries or vacuuming my carpeting.

How about sammich fetching?

193 "Specific women are fantastic.  Women in groups tend not to be. "

See, I feel that way about people in general.  I love many of my fellow humans individually, but I'm not wild about them as a pack, generally.

194 I'm not missing your points, which are excellent but I would like to add that reviewing what the Bush twins have done after college is pretty interesting. They are doing things that liberals always say they admire. And by the way, I've seen the pictures of Chelsea Clinton wasted.

From the start I've gotten the envy vibe from the female haters of Palin. It was pretty obvious. What's not to like? Great husband, home, self made, well spoken, adventurous and looks like a knock out in a suit and heels. She's great and I would love to see her hold a national office.

195 I too live here in NOVA - I am referring to after the campaign the so called leaks. Mccain staffers were horrid. I really got angry.  I didn't mean to be bitter - im actually very happy and cute :-)

Wow, Polly, talk about missing the short bus. I stand corrected!

Cute, too, eh?

196 I'm female and I've never been sure what the hell feminism means. I'm pretty convinced it's something ugly unlaid chicks get together to talk about but who knows? Sorry to belabor a point but women sometimes don't get what they want because they are stupid or cry or screw the wrong guy or clique up with the wrong women not because they are women. They are confused. Women are just like men take away reason and accountability. God, I just realized I'm a mysoginist (sp?)

197

someone said "sammich".

 

I heard that.

198

I sent my proposal in to Sarah in 07, but still no word back...still waiting..

Women who hate her are losers, and guys are homos

199 someone said "sammich".

Open faced roast beef ?

200

Ahhh, evolution.  Women compete with each other, and the lower rung females try to tear down the alpha female.  When alpha status is reached, that woman becomes the enemy.

Just like dudes.  Women are just better and more vicious at the game.

201 But I've been reading AP's stuff for a long time, since way before HotAir came around, and I liked him better back when he was a pissy, snarky, more-intelligent version of the gent we see on HotAir these days. Just my two sheckels.

I hate to say it, but HotAir is where conservative bloggers go to fade away. For whatever reason any pundit who moves there seems to quickly lose any edginess and become generic and predictable. I'm not sure if it's MM's management, being part of a 'real' site, or just that the format of the site tends to stifle individual voices. And it's kind of sad since I wish all of the posters well. I just hope that Ace never gets seduced by the prospect of a regular paying gig at a site that offers respect and media recognition.

202 190 As for Hot Air, Allah likes to chortle about the people who complain but keep coming back

I try not to bash AP, but what bothers me about him is that he exhibits a fundamental disregard for the folks who comment on Hot Air. Some of them certainly deserve it, but instead of exercising his ban hammer effectively, he pokes them with sticks. AND his posts are frequently wrong/misleading (factually) so folks get all worked up over nothing.

I realize it's a business, but AP is too transparently about traffic.

Ed's posts are better, imho.

203

I have very little use for feminists, unless of course they are bagging my groceries or vacuuming my carpeting.

How about sammich fetching?

Depends on the sammich for sure.

204
You guys are forgetting that the moonbats are all about the political tactics. They hate Sarah Palin just like they were outraged over macaca. Seventy-five percent of the emotional reaction from the Left is manufactured and used as a ploy to score political points.

What the fuck am I thinking? They really do hate her with irrational rage and ugliness.

205

You've already lost the argument by ceding the defnitions to them.


>>What can one do ?

I think that you try to be consistant. The internet never forgets, so if some liberal complains about "personal attcks" then you list all the personal attacks made by that same liberal or Obama himself (lipstick on a pig, flipping off Hillary, all the snide little comments about what he's doing differently than Bush did), or 10,000 other liberals.

I don't think that backing down or self-censoring helps much. Because they won't, ever.

206 Lemme short that up fer ya.

Pigs talk shit about the hot ones and gossipy fags spread it around.

207 I find women in general to be a compelling but strange species. Particularly in how the relate to each other. My ex-wife could spend hours complaining about what a bitch her mother was, but if I made sympathetic noises she turned on me like a wolverine. And for all the talk about how men are clueless about women's sexuality, it's been my experience that the exact opposite is true. Men's sexual lives are quite a lot more nuanced than women give us credit for.

There are rare specimens that I can relate to and have discussions with, but I view most female individuals as a vagina with a yammering-machine attached to it. There is a certain amount of bibble-bibble up with which I will put in return for some horizontal mambo, but the trendlines converge and zoom apart pretty close to the origin-point of the graph. Chalk this up to bad past experiences mixed with bone-deep misanthropy if you wish.

208 A few years ago, I worked as a prefect in a high school girl's dorm. The same high school I attended, btw. Anyhoo, there was a 17 year old girl that had a 40 year old boyfriend. He wasn't allowed on campus, let alone in the dorms. One friday night, he decides to come and visit his high school girlfriend. To make a long story short. The cops were called. He was arrested. She threatned to sic her mob family on me. According to her, her father was head of a big mafia family in Iowa. I was going to get it. Um, it turned out that this chick was certifiably insane. She was sent to some mental instution.

209

Roast beef is good.  Very good.

 

Or...

 

How about a pastrami with a little proscuitto?  Some caesar dressing on a soft sourdough roll?

 

 

it moved.

210 Dagny, if you're a misogynist, so am I. Does that makes us self-loathing women?

211 196 I'm female and I've never been sure what the hell feminism means.

From a woman's perspective, what it should mean is celebrating our ability to achieve great things without becoming more "male" in our attitudes and behaviors.

Vive la difference!

The men who truly admire Sarah Palin -- the whole enchilada (politician, hunter, wife, mother, basketball player), not just the hawtness -- are feminists.

212 I don't think that backing down or self-censoring helps much. Because they won't, ever.

Indeed .

Fuck them .

213 But I know, as I'm sure Allah does, that shaming these people will not work. They are shameless. They don't feel guilty about these ugly assaults; they feel pride, convinced they are doing the right thing.

And the sad, sad truth about our country is that is is exactly what one can expect a significant proportion of upper echelon college educated individuals to believe.  I can't tell you the number of times I've had discussions with people I know to have above-average IQs where their main argument (i.e., the one they start with and continue to defend when confronted) is basically "you and your position are stupid, so I don't have to listen to you".

214

If you're going to go after Bristol Palin, I can't stop you. I can, however, pour the same venom on Michelle "Predator Queen" Obama. Tit for tat.

There's a difference between the two that's worth noting:

Bristol is the child of a politician (and she is still a child at 17, baby of her own or not.)  She was on the trail WITH her mother, in the background, lending support and keeping quiet.

Michelle, on the other hand, is the spouse of a politician.  She was on the campaign trail FOR her husband, speaking out (mostly angry nonsense) and acting as a surrogate.

In my opinion, acting as a surrogate opens up the field for criticism.  Being a supportive family member doesn't.

215 Well, she said Obama wouldn't let me stay in my comfort zone or something like that. So why should she get a free ride?

Every cheap shot on Palin shall be repaid thricely!

216

Piling On? Eh, fuck it. I'm still pissed off about Palin and the Bush girls.

 

This is the ACE we know and love.

217
Fuck Allahpundit!

He's a douche...

218

I realize it's a business, but AP is too transparently about traffic.

He's completely transparent about it and then the stupid-ass commenters scream about how he must believe everything he links to and yell at him for what he said in the quote of the day (um, NOT).

It's getting old.

219 Go after the families of the journalists. That'll show 'em.

220

Who was it that said she didn't get the worst treatment during the election, really, hung in effigy by gays in West Hollywood, 'satirized' by one of Larry Flynt's skanks, in a DNC/TMZ porn, defamed every which way but loose. Impersonated poorly by that pale copy Tina Fey, savaged by Couric and Gibson, now being forced nearly to bankruptcy by those legal bills from those ridiculous ethic complaints, now totally half a million dollars. And hounded by the tabloid rats at the Star and Tyra Banks.

We know why that is, first she's beautiful but in 'a girl next door' sort of way. It's ironic how they exacted the clueless Caroline, while dissing Sarah, in so far as the latter hadn't really done anything, and the former's family had been here before the great grand pappy saloon keeper, had been here 200 years earlier, her bloodline includes Princess Diana and FDR. Add to that she was a star athlete, could beat the One at basketball even now, snowmobile rider, huntress, the Russians picked that up quickly dubbing her the Akhanitsa. Handles the five kids including the youngest Trig, now has to help raise Tripp as well, and the largest state in the Union.

Guts, she has more than the entire party put together, she alone challenged the meaning of the One's plans, and predicted what we're facing now. She was the campaign, for the last three weeks. Even after that, she told the GOP at the RGA conference, nothing doing with the auto bailout, they didn't listen to her, (look where we are, now) and pointed out what part of the stimulus should be accepted. This is back when the GOP was cowering under their desks and Rush hadn't officially said that he "hoped Obama would fail" then she rather single handedly brought Chambliss back to the Senate. This is while they kept recycling those wardrobe and makeup stories, oh and by the way they set fire to her church.

Starting in the new year, she layed out exactly what she was willing to accept from the stimulus, mostly construction projects in remote Alaska, funds for the AGIA pipeline, and for that missile launch site in Kodiak. That's why she went to the Alfalfa dinner, while Allah, talked up the courage of Sanford and Jindal. She then committed blasphemy, challenging Obama to veto the stimulus, while wearing that jacket, the source of that last ethics complaint. Now she's had to face a totally useless legislature, deal with a volcano, a food crisis in the Native areas, a North Korean missile fueling with just enough range to hit Alaska, oh and yes, the stupidity of her former daughter's inlaw's, being as close as you can get to Jerry Springer audience status. She is what we say want, in a candidate, tough, compassionate, hard working, patriotic, god fearing, focused on the key issues, and yes beautiful, yet we let all these anklebiters, cockholsters and weasels, name any ten, from considering her.

 

 

221 Great linky to Cuffy's vid--perfect Klingon music and pics!

222 Can someone answer me this: Is MO the next "Jackie Kennedy" because she's black/Obama's wife or because she's the wife of a Dem president? (And better looking than Hillary. Or were there such comparisons with Hillary when Bill was president? I was too young to know back then.) For hypothetical's sake, let's say John Edwards had won the election. Would Elizabeth Edwards have been touted as the next Jackie Kennedy?

223 I loathe Obama's policies.  I probably would not like the man in person, either, but that's because his personality and politics spring from the same sources which I also loathe.
If Obama was the black Ronald Reagan many of us would -- no, scratch that, there are
limits even there.

But I am not going to indulge in cheap shots at Michelle Obama. She is not the prettiest woman I've ever laid eyes on, far from it, but neither was Barbara Bush and she got a lot of underhanded jabs when Bush Sr. was president.

This is not about cosmetic features and for one very rare occasion I agree with Allahpundit on this.  This is about policies and political philosophy and it should remain at that level or we run the risk of trivializing a very real danger to this country.

I'm still trying to wrap my mind around Obama bowing to the Saudi sheik.  I thought Jimmy Carter's bear hug of Brezhnev was about as embarrassing as it could get but I was way wrong.

224 DiT ,

You of all people should know that morons never forget .....

the last time this happened , you woke up with peanut butter on your chest .......

.... and you still have a weak grasp of the many feminine hygiene products currently available .

225

wherestherum at April 03, 2009 08:04 PM

I think it's because she's Obambi's wife and the MSM has made a huge investment in him. As to Elizabeth Edwards being a Jackie, probably depends on how much sucking and swallowing the MSM would have had to do.

226 Eh. I'm not going to bash my fellow women. I tend to have more masculine interests, which is probably why I like this blog so much, but I have a posse of female relatives and old friends who will ALWAYS have my back. I have a male posse, too, of heroic men relatives. As great as the men are, my girls are better at some things, like the whole social deal. I'm not good at that shit, and most men are stupid that way, but my girlfriends/sisters-in-law can get some amazing stuff done behind the scenes.

I'm very lucky to have them all.

227 "There's a difference between the two that's worth noting:" Michelle is ugly and Bristol is not. Michelle hates America and Bristol (presumedly) does not. Michelle is complicit in Obamba's plan for turning America into the United Socialist States and Bristol is not. Michelle wears a size 17 shoe and Bristol does not. Michelle listened to Wright for years and Bristol did not. Michelle got a high paying job because her husband had some power, Bristol did not. Michelle is lauded for her beauty/arms/charm and Bristol is not.

228 ginger:

A few years ago, I worked as a prefect in a high school girl's dorm.

You've grabbed my interest!

Anyhoo, there was a 17 year old girl that had a 40 year old boyfriend.

You've introduced a vital element into the story that will keep me reading!

To make a long story short. The cops were called. He was arrested. She threatned to sic her mob family on me. According to her, her father was head of a big mafia family in Iowa. I was going to get it. Um, it turned out that this chick was certifiably insane. She was sent to some mental instution.

...and the story peters out in a mind-bogglingly disappointing belly-whopper. You'll never get published in Penthouse Forum with crap like that, I can tell you.

229 222 Can someone answer me this: Is MO the next "Jackie Kennedy" because she's black/Obama's wife or because she's the wife of a Dem president? (And better looking than Hillary.

I think it's because he's young, like Kennedy, with a young family and she's tall (so potentially statuesque, if she'd address her posture) and they are desperate to relive the Camelot years. The folks in power are from that era.

It was a real mistake running someone as old as McCain.

230

It was a real mistake running someone as old unpopular with Republicans as McCain.

FIFY

231

The Worf jokes, et al are probably in poor taste -- but they're lightweight compared to some of the trash the left has been slinging at Palin, and yes, my taste and sense of the aesthetic is assaulted every time I have to hear about the "wonder, glory, and ethereal beauty that is MO".  It's rather like the "grandeur, stateliness, and incandescent rhetoric that is BO" -- enough already, and now they must be insulted in ways only the French know how to do.

As for Palin, oddly I found a majority of the horse people I associate with (who are overwhelmingly women) adored Sarah Palin.  A fair number of older women adored her as well. And for the reasons given above -- she had done it on her own, had not tossed out her feminity in the process, and seemed a very strong and genuine (and intelligent) person.  I adored her as well -- and hated the way she has been torn apart by the left (and not protected by the right).

I've found that women like the ones Dagny described (and their tweenish understudies) were the ones who hated her most (oh, and the "men" such wymyn usually have chasing them -- those sorts of "men" hated Sarah almost as much as the "wymyn").  I beg to differ though -- I don't find that it has anything to do with your gender; it has everything to do with whether or not you are a modern, urban, fop who still needs their panties changed by Mumsy.  You'd be suprised at how well some of the backwoods, redneck, "ignorant" women around here can hold their own in a conversation on cars, business, politics, or what is the meaning of life.  I think it's because they live much of it.

232 I'm not comfortable in a flock of women either. I keep expecting to see a bird dog come round the bend....

233 According to her, her father was head of a big mafia family in Iowa.

Fucking with the Burge family will cost you
$37.50 sooner or later , consider your self warned .

234 Another time, I caught a couple of girls sneaking in boys into the dorm after curfew. They couldn't believe that I had caught them. They thought they were being sneaky and smart. I was like, please, my friends and I perfected the art of sneaking in boys when we were in high school. Of course, I was going to catch them, I knew all the tricks.

235

Is MO the next "Jackie Kennedy" because she's black/Obama's wife or because she's the wife of a Dem president?

Because she started dressing like Jackie Kennedy in a blatant effort to envoke the comparison. 

236
btw, has it donned on any of you morons that we're doing exactly what the moonbats did after 9/11?

Compare this:
Why They Hate Sarah Palin

to this:
Why They Hate Us

Remember that shit? We were like, you idiots, you can't make sense out of irrational hatred. The same is true with PDS; they're hatred is irrational and we just have to remind ourselves it's not her fault. Just like we did nothing to deserve 9/11, Sarah Palin is doing nothing wrong to deserve the treatment she receives by those rotten cocksuckers on the Left.

237 I don't know how many of the HotAir readers have been following Allah since his "Allah is in the House" days, but back then he was much funnier and spent a lot of time going after, you know, Democrats. His "Dean-o" series from 2004 was one of the funniest things ever posted to the intarwebz. Not to mention his "Crimson Jihad" anti-Yankees series depicting the Red Sox as the fundamentalist islamofascist baseball club Crimson Jihad and the Yankees as the dirty Joooos. And then there was his role in Memogate.

When Michelle named him to the HotAir staff, it pretty much guaranteed HA a huge audience. I know I read (or used to read) HA primarily because of Allah. But his long, 4AM drunk piss-style urination on ideological conservatives over the past year has made him into a horse's ass. Most of his readership is angry with him and he knows it. But he keeps posting the antagonistic QOTDs, keeps linking look-at-me ass explorers like Frum, keeps wining and dining sociopathic trolls, and mostly just acts like a bitch. Worst of all, he's so damn pessimistic he's pretty much elected Obambi President For Life in his own mind and is totally worthless in any kind of conservative right-of-center not-quite socialist organizing and advocacy. He's pretty much just waving the surrender flag while saying, "Fuck My Life." He's still funny sometimes, but that's the exception.

In other words, he's the Letterman of the blogosphere.

I predict he will have retired from blogging (again) by this time next year, or will at least be gone from HA because the readership couldn't appreciate all of his nuance.

238 Another time, I caught a couple of girls sneaking in boys into the dorm after curfew.

Interesting...interesting...

They couldn't believe that I had caught them. They thought they were being sneaky and smart.

Did you give them a bare-bottom spanking for being so naughty?

I was like, please, my friends and I perfected the art of sneaking in boys when we were in high school.

Of course you did. And you got your own bare-bottom spanking, didn't you, you dirty girl!

Of course, I was going to catch them, I knew all the tricks.

What "tricks" would those be, you minx? Did you teach them your tricks?

Meh. On a scale of 1 to 10, I'd give it a 4. If you can work in a pillow-fight, a Twister game, and some Wesson oil, I can bump it up to a 6.

239 I think it's because he's young, like Kennedy, with a young family and she's tall (so potentially statuesque, if she'd address her posture) and they are desperate to relive the Camelot years.

Don't forget the potential for martyrdom. 

There is a real bloc of sick bastards on the left who crave another martyr that they can wave around as some sort of talisman granting them absolute moral authority on every and any proposition that pops into their heads to attribute to being" in the spirit" of the dear departed no matter how specious. 

With The O they are hopeful that they have a better chance than usual.  Because of teh racism.  From the other side.  Which they deplore.  And abjure.  Did I mention deplore?

240 Hey stace! Glad to hear you have a good circle of family and friends. I haven't had much success in the friend game lately and I do miss it.

241

.... and you still have a weak grasp of the many feminine hygiene products currently available .

 

 

Oh fuck you BITCH.  I have stood in front of the WALL(tm) with a cell phone.

 

I know things.

242 So after all the effort of sneaking them in was foiled , and the tension rising ... was there any , well .... you know , any cool girl on girl action to quench the fires .... so to speak ?

243 I don't really have much else to add because it's basically all been said.  I'll just say I hate how they play with the language to make her look like an extremist, i.e.: anti-choice / christian zealot fundamentalist / counter feminist and so on

244 I haven't had much success in the friend game lately and I do miss it.

I'll be your friend, Mama AJ. Now, as your friend -- can I borrow twenty bucks?

245 Posted by: Deety at April 03, 2009 08:24 PM (1jglO)

Well, I hope to god that doesn't happen. It would destroy the country.

Personally, I think he's a one-term president. He doesn't seem to like the job, he and his wife have already expressed boredom with the WH, and the sooner he's out of office the sooner they can cash in on his "historic" presidency. He'll get a nice, cushy Distinguished Professorship at the Kennedy School (and he won't even have to pretend to do anything, unlike his U of C days when he at least did some teaching) and write 20 more memoirs.

I think there's a measurable possibility that he'll have a break-down of sorts in office (about which we'll never learn except through rumors) and will not run for a second term (or do so half-heartedly).

246 I know things.

Diva cup .




Explain.

247 Would this be a good time to mention that a recently published paper has determined that under quantum mechanics warp bubbles would be unstable at faster than light speeds.  This is seriously impeding M'chell Obama's hope of a Klingon family reunion.

248 Monty, get me a juice-box and I'll let you keep the change.

249 #244

Mama AJ don't you dare!

Not unless you're going to charge him twice the rate you charge family.

Anything less wouldn't be usury.

250 Oh ,

I meant you had a weaker grasp on feminine hygiene products than I did .

251 Tonight he posts about Levi Johnston and what a douchebag he is for spilling dirt on the Palins for a few free hamburgers from Tyra Banks. Good for you AP

Nice to know when the heat turns on AP, he channels his inner conservative and posts a few like that with "see? I'm still one of the boys"

As soon as the heat is off, he'll go right back to his David Frum ways.

252 Speaking of girl on girl action.

A girl had a phone call from her father in the office. The girls weren't allowed phones in their rooms nor cell phones. Anyhoo, I paged the girl to tell her she had a phone call. She didn't answer her page, but I knew she was in the dorm. I went to her room with a master keys to all the rooms. I knocked three times. The rule was you were suppose to knock three times before entering with the key. No one answered, however there was heavy metal music playing in the room. I went in to see if she was there. I figured she couldn't hear me because of the loud musid. Well, I stumbled into her and another girl dry humping each other on the bed. I quickly closed the door and let them be. I pretended I saw nothing. It was very embarassing.

253 They hate Palin because she knows who she is. In her convention speech, she told the media she wasn't looking for their approval. They knew she meant it, that she couldn't care less what they think. The MSM will do whatever they have to do to make her regret that. She won't, of course, and that will continue to drive them berserk.

254 under quantum mechanics warp bubbles would be unstable at faster than light speeds

Yes, but this presumes a universe that is both anisotropic and unbounded. In a nonsymmetrical, unevenly-dense universe, it would depend on which region of the universe you were in -- a "void" or a "bubble wall", so to speak. The voids, being less massive, would hence "curve" less than a more matter-dense region of space. Further, if the universe is bounded, there is the possibility that light-speed itself changes depending on where it happens to be in the spacetime continuum.

255 Well, I stumbled into her and another girl dry humping each other on the bed.

How fast were you moving, anyway?

I quickly closed the door and let them be. I pretended I saw nothing. It was very embarassing.

A real friend would have filmed it and sent me the tape. Or used the tape as a blackmail device to procure more girl-on-girl action. I am disappointed. Very.

256 Yes, but this presumes a universe that is both anisotropic and unbounded.

My mistake: isotropic, not anisotropic.

257 I would say that AP is as firm and sturdy an ally as the French, except that I'm actually starting to like the French again.

258 Shit, I just watched that clip of Levi on tyra. What a dirtbag.

259

Diva cup .




Explain.

 

 

gross.  You require more?

260 Facts about republicans, especially Bush et al = red meat (innuendo) for the main stream media and that justifies a full frontal assault with all possible resources by them.

Facts about democrats, especially Obama et al = road kill (if someone is hungry) and a weak insurgence of like minded media numbed fuck them attitudes with no mobilization, except a tea party here or there.

We who oppose obama are strong but our tactics are weak. We focus on our property, our rights and our families and we are smug to the point of complacency.

This is why the lowest piece of whale shit on the planet can out maneuver us by simply voting.

Our focus MUST be on controlling the senate. This is where the buck stops. This is where we roundhouse obama and keep legislation from reaching his desk and screwing us and our families into oblivion.

Concentrate on senate races and make sure the candidates are true patriots. Then give until the pain is unbearble. Fight for our country in the senate, fuck congress. Donate to candites in other states. And while your at it give a little bit to the RNC, they (Steele) are useful idiots and are capable of become part of the team if they open their eyes and realize that money is going to our prfered canditates before it goes to the RNC.

Happy hunting morons.

Genera Macarther told me to say this in a dream. It's called island hopping.

261 "I deal with women all day, and they are just plain STUPID."

I think you need to be careful who you're painting with that broad brush. *no pun intended*.  There are many very smart conservative women in this country, and many smart liberal ones as well.   Judge by the commenters on this site alone.  Many, many smart women.  Maybe you need to pick a better crowd of "girls" to hang with.

I work in a building full of men that couldn't tell me the name of the their own state legislators, let alone the Attorney General .  Most don't know the difference between the Senate and the Congress.  But I certainly wouldn't classify all men as stupid because of them.

The stoopider ones just stick out more....and unfortunately, are more vocal. 

262
Joan Jett sings my feelings about AP

263 It's open season on Palin over at HotAir. Allahpundit not only tolerates the crap, he encourages it. That is why when he threatens people about Michelle Obama, I'd like to clock him.

264 You require more?

Nononononononono ...do not ask this question

Good times .

265 Ok I admit it, I didn't spell check and I'm tipping a few.

You get it.

Semper Fi to you all!

266 Joan Jett made the trouser trout grow back in the day

267 The whole "Why they hate us thing?" A good point, particularly since AQ simply was in the business of killing masses of Americans because it brought money, power, and influence to their leaders.

However, what is very important to understand is who hates Palin and why they invest so much time in tearing her down, and why the media failed to do so to notorious coke-heads and the "Bridget Jones" of Presidential Daughters (coke-head Ashley Biden, who's about one coke-inspired sex tape away from real fame; and falling-down-drunk Chelsea Clinton, respectively).

Women by and large (this is not popular because it is true) HATE HATE HATE Palin, because of her class.

Look at the supermarket checkout counter. I just got back from shopping. Ashley Palin was on the cover of one tabloid, but most of the Tabloids were either filled with beauty shots of "good" women/girls who are climbing up the status pole and "bad" shots of women/girls falling down (they looked ugly). Such as Octomom, or Lindsay Lohan, and so on.

Women are mostly single, the US Census Bureau released figures late last year showing how most women are not married, first time in US Census takign that's happened. They live lives mostly of Seinfeld-Friends status-striving in a mating dance that never ends.

While Guys love that Palin married a blue collar ordinary joe, and is herself fond of hunting and fishing, women HATE HATE HATE that about her because it is a marker of working class status. Working Class women hate that about themselves and dream of rising above it, middle class women FEAR falling into the working class and HATE and despise working class markers, and Upper Class women mock and ridicule working class attributes.

Nothing is more powerful in America than CLASS. This has been true since Andrew Jackson, who Palin resembles in the type of hate she generates, and the haters.

There are some conservative Black guys who hate Obama. Some from Hispanic or Gay communities who are the same (conservative, hate Obama). Let's not get carried away by the rare exceptions. Women, overwhelmingly, save married and older married in particular, HATE HATE HATE Palin. Because women for the most part are status obsessed and HATE anything "prole" or working class.

And honestly, anyone who's spent five minutes observing the sexual dynamics at play in the professional urban environment can see this hatred for Working Class people and attributes. It's why Tina Fey, the tribune of the Professional Women Yuppies, captured the female attitude towards Palin.

Heck look at how the press treats Michelle "Worf" Obama and the One. Yuppie GODS. Since they personify the Yuppie Status struggle shown so well in "Curb Your Enthusiasm," "Friends," and "Seinfeld." That's who the Press is and that's who listens to them, watches them, and reads them.

[Left-Right, Republican-Democrat can be only understood in the eternal American struggle of Working Class Americans against Everyone Else. With now, Women largely being part of the Everyone Else. That's because their fundamental interests are mutually exclusive and zero sum. When Working Class folks win, everyone else loses (I put middle and working class together). When Yuppie Status scum wins, Working Class folks lose. Palin is part of that winning and losing.]

268

Yes, but this presumes a universe that is both anisotropic and unbounded.

OMG, Monty just called Michelle O. androgynous and said something mean about her rear. Tell all the leftie blogs.

269 Post 33 by ParanoidInSeattle was truly awesome.

270 263 It's open season on Palin over at HotAir. Allahpundit not only tolerates the crap, he encourages it. That is why when he threatens people about Michelle Obama, I'd like to clock him.

If AP left Hot Air, who would follow him to his new venue? He's only tolerated there because of loyalty to Michelle Malkin and Captain Ed

271 Our focus MUST be on controlling the senate. This is where the buck stops. This is where we roundhouse obama and keep legislation from reaching his desk and screwing us and our families into oblivion.

Concentrate on senate races and make sure the candidates are true patriots.

I think the Senate is kind of hopeless right now. Too many of them over-intellectualize their way to voting with democrats. We have a lot of cleaning house to do there.

We should focus on the House. It's achievable. We can tap into the mood of the country, which should be in our favor after two years of "spreading the wealth."

Obama can't cope with opposition of any kind. If we can put a monkey wrench in his plans in 2010, I'm convinced he'll start to lose it publicly. The mask will slip and he won't be re-elected.

272 OMG, Monty just called Michelle O. androgynous and said something mean about her rear. Tell all the leftie blogs.

This is what happens when I try to sound smart. All I really wanted to do was make a fart joke, but I was afraid it would make everyone think I was a rube. (I did get off a really spicy ass-blaster, though. Real swamp-gas! Haw!)

273

All I know is that the day Sarah Palin was introduced as the VP candidate for Father Time, I was totally stoked, and not just because she's attractive. For the first time in a very long time I was listening to someone who truly appealed to me as an American. This giddiness lasted for some time, even through most of the despicable media onslaught. I carried that positive feeling till Election Day, only to have that hoped doused like a campfire surrounded by drunk college boys with full bladders. That sudden, lurching jolt from hopefulness to despair is jarring, and I am still fucking pissed off about it to this day.

The tragedy is that Sarah Palin will likely never be elected to high office. A tragedy that the best of America are so despised for stupid, vapid, vicious reasons.

Fuck "The 52." They can choke on my ball sack.

274 In my opinion, acting as a surrogate opens up the field for criticism.  Being a supportive family member doesn't.

Not only a surrogate, but given her do-nothing $300k job, a co-conspirator.

275 Those of you in Southern California are familiar with KFI's John and Ken show. They latch themselves onto conservative causes when it's good for their ratings such as the Recall or Tea Parties, and elbow their way to the front as if they're the ones who started it all. When they think it's good for their ratings, they trash Bush or Palin with the lowest of the DUmmies, Kostards, and Huffblos.  I switched to KABC for good back in 2004 when I was fed up for good with their phony antics. They have no set of beliefs other than their ratings. Just like Allahpundit.

Patterico covered this a few days ago in a piece about John Ziegler, the conservative former KFI host who produced the "How the Media Elected Obama" documentary and personally detests John and Ken

http://tinyurl.com/daqta9

276

221 Great linky to Cuffy's vid--perfect Klingon music and pics!

Thanks, Cyn.

As I told Ace in email, except for TWO KlingonMichelle p-shops at the end, it's just a slideshow of Michelle O. pics with badass Klingon music. But too hot for HotAir.

277

lib women hate her because she is every woman...she has it all.  a great career, a hot hubby and children who are omperfect yet still decent humans.  who in the hell wants a stepford wife?  i refuse to be one and i am glad there are women like palin out there, she is smart and she doesn't take shit off anayone and she won't lower herself to the gutter to hang with the obama's

 

278 Haven't read all the comments, but here's my take. Pailn is what feminism looks like. She has it all.

I work with lefty feminists and they are weak, vapid, miserable, cold and directionless. They don't see that by striving to be men in some way they are making themselves a sort of subset of their "oppressors". They elevate that which they claim holds them back.

Palin has achieved what they cannot all while embracing her gender which makes them seethe.

279 KABC sucks now, too. MacIntyre is dead to me. And so is Rantal. Larry is gone. sob. Levin is good but he can't work 24/7.

280 Whiskey, seriously, I don't know where you got your facts and figures, and maybe some of you are stuck in Downtown Manahattan, but I don't know one, single woman that "HATE HATE HATE"'s Palin.  The libs I know don't like her, but it's because of her politics.  All the conservative/moderates I know like her.  To say that "most" women are single and 'HATE HATE HATE' is simply exageration.

281

I'd be proud to be banned for unkind comments about the current FLOTUS yahoo.  I was raised in a certain way, so I'd never post a comment that was too low and depraved, but everything you've said about Michelle has seemed quite fair and defensible, and the Kling-On pic is hilarious.  She's creepy and has a scary face.  I don't think anyone can make fun of her enough.  Goes with the job, so get over it.  She's a whiner who's never accomplished anything (that I've heard about) on her own merits.

I see the Obamas as coarse boors, and their behaviors embarrass and disgust me.  I didn't start off that way.  I was open to having my mind changed about them, especially Barry (after Michelle's stupid comments she seemed beyond redemption.)  But every day brings a new whiff of something stinky.  Every damn day.

I grow so tired of liberals.  Their warped world view, their remoreseless hunger to destroy, their petulant insistence to perjure everything.  Conservatives are so often guilty of corruption in execution, but liberals are corrupt in ideology as well.  It's a poison tree with a rotten root.

282

I donated to the Palin/old-war-hero campaign the day after Palin was announced as VP. Up to that point, my attitude was expressed in this bumper sticker: "Ah, **** it. McCain '08."

Palin I really liked. Palin I would open my wallet for and work for. I'd like to have dinner with her and her husband; I think we'd have a very pleasant evening.

Obama and his wife (I'll forgo the deserved comments on her appearance) disgust me. I doubt we'd ever have had more than ten minutes of conversation before I would have known that these people were individuals with whom I had nothing in common and a great many disagreements. The fact that such a pair of America-hating cretins could have risen so far in this society speaks horribly ill of the nation that elected them. 

If the sickness that permitted their election is as deep-seated as I think it is, radical surgery is going to be required. There is no guarantee whatsoever that the patient will survive at all, and if we do survive, we'll be nothing like we were before. Thus Obama will have accomplished his goal, which was to destroy the America he was raised in.

I couldn't be more disappointed in my country's ability to discern truth from error. Obama over Palin? Insanity to the nth degree. 

283 To say that "most" women are single and 'HATE HATE HATE' is simply exageration.

Welcome to the Internet, Kornkat Annie. You may have noticed that we don't go in for reasonable disagreement or carefully-wrought rhetoric as a rule. (And by "we" I mean internet fulminators in general, not just we Morons here at Ace's place.) I do this myself without entirely meaning to: there's something about anonymous(ish) posting that drives people into ideological corners. You start arguing a fairly moderate position, and find yourself driving the point harder and harder until you hit a rhetorical wall. After that, it's all name-calling and shouting.

I don't think this is, a priori, a bad thing as long as you don't take it too seriously. The problem is when this stuff coalesces and hardens, making enemies out of people who might, in some other forum, be far more moderate. "Moderate" doesn't mean "moral coward", mind -- it just means discussing rather than arguing. But many people find this hard to do, even in real life, when discussing things that are near and dear to their hearts.

It's human nature, I guess.

284 ^{"MacIntyre is dead to me. And so is Rantal."}

Those are the douches who got called out by Elder for supporting Obama, right?  I remember one of them fighting with Larry and getting all defensive, insisting that his conservative cred was solid.  What a fucking joke.

285 After that, it's all name-calling and shouting.

Yeah but that's the fun part. 

286

kdabear,

If Allah left Hotair, I would probably only go there on a link from another blog.  As it is, I visit daily.  Allah's interesting, while most bloggers are not.

In general, this whole "I hate Allahpundit" schtick is tiresome and juvenille, particularly the insinuation that he's a lefty or even a centrist.  Get a fucking clue, already.

287 In general, this whole "I hate Allahpundit" schtick is tiresome and juvenille, particularly the insinuation that he's a lefty or even a centrist.  Get a fucking clue, already.

Kornkat Annie: See what I mean?

Olaf could just as easily have said, "I like Allapundit and find his winsome humor rather charming. I think those who claim to hate the man are mistaken and should re-examine their opposition." But that's just not how we roll.

288

Ace you are the greatest.  As for Allahpundit he speaks for himself and three goats.  Lt Whorf remains Barney Frank's choice for Gay Prom Date.  Must be all those hormone shots.   Obama and his bride are a disgrace.

No wonder the Left loves her so.   They think Helen Thomas is their feminine ideal.

 

289 You know, whoever commented previously that it's futile to try to explain the hate has a good point. Palin Derangement Syndrome is just like Bush Derangement Syndrome - blind and irrational hate spewage that gets them off. And the libs just keep going back to it like dogs returning to their vomit.

Trying to find a reason for PDS may be entertaining for us, but I don't think we can EVER fully explain it. The sun rises in the east, liberals hate on Sarah Palin. It's just what they do.

BTW, I'm a chick and I LOVE Sarah. Sadly I have to agree with the previous commenter that she will never run for president successfully. The MSM did way too good of a job poisoning her image in the minds of the sheeplike masses. 

290 It's all trolls at HotAir. And all they do is make disgusting comments. Thanks, Allahpundit, for making HotAir into a trash site.

291
>>He doesn't seem to like the job, he and his wife have already expressed boredom with the WH, and the sooner he's out of office the sooner they can cash in on his "historic" presidency.

If we are so bad then why don’t they take some of that cash and catch a cruise ship to Africa?

292 Angry Beaver  @ 289

Not just the MSM the next time around either.  Think she would stand a chance with her own party this time?  See them going to bat for her when the long knives came out after the election? 

293
I think Olaf is Jeff B's long lost homo brother.

294

ACE has been hitting the dexadrine again and it shows: insightful, on target, deep and penatrating anlysis, to mention nothing of his lengthy, thoughtful, witty, pithy, clever, thrifty, and loyal discussions and digressions.  When he's on speed: ACE IS THE PLACE!

(Sura@2:29)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

295 The MSM did way too good of a job poisoning her image in the minds of the sheeplike masses.

It's not that the MSM did too good of a job poisoning her image. It's that the old-boy GOP and her backstabbing cockholster running mate let her swing in the wind.

The MSM could have been countered, if the GOP and McCain had lifted a finger to do so. They were then, and still are, content to let her be the focus of leftist rage. It's a tactical decision. To their minds, she's cannon fodder, a diversionary tactic that dissipates the Democratic Party's vitriol, allowing some more "deserving" member of the old boy's network to move forward to glory in 2012.

My contempt for the GOP leadership is rather well-developed. Where's the Palin defense fund? She won't ask for a dime to defend against the spurious ethics claims, because of the strength of her character. But NO ONE in the GOP leadership has said doodly-squat about helping to raise the money to defend her. That just burns me up.

296 279 KABC sucks now, too. MacIntyre is dead to me. And so is Rantal. Larry is gone. sob. Levin is good but he can't work 24/7.

McIntyre was always a whiny nancy boy who had to cry to mommy when big bad Larry picked on him.  Rantel hated Bush (well, all his type hate any kind of bush) even before Teleprompter swept him off his feet. Al never forgave Bush for not being the total reincarnation of his romanticized memories of Ronald Reagan. His one good thing was to have Annie Baby on as a guest every week.

Sean and Levin. Six hours is enough politics for me, I have to listen to music or watch non-political tv to get my mind off it

297 Hot Air has become the troll version of the Star Wars Bar. Trolls from every planet camped out there to fucking drive Palin supporters nuts. Allahpundit has a hard on for Palin, as evidenced in every one of his posts that trash her. His latest post is very fair to Palin though. I wonder if Michelle dropped a bomb over there after reading some of the comments. Even Ed is catching flack over all the Palin Derangment.

298 My contempt for the GOP leadership is rather well-developed. Where's the Palin defense fund? She won't ask for a dime to defend against the spurious ethics claims, because of the strength of her character. But NO ONE in the GOP leadership has said doodly-squat about helping to raise the money to defend her. That just burns me up.

They'll go to the mat for a crooked old hack like Ted Stevens, he's one of them, a longtime insider.

Sarah dared to take on the Stevens-Murkowski old boy network up in Alaska, for that they'll help the DemSM destroy her even if it damages their own party.

299 The Republicans are as afraid of her as the Lefty's are.  That's why I like her so much! 

300 Allahpundit has a hard on for Palin, as evidenced in every one of his posts that trash her.

I think he's angling for some cougar meat from Noonan and Parker

301

HA is good for some reading, but I learned a while back not to read anything regarding Palin. Just don't have the tolerance for the bs anymore. Stupid is as stupid does I suppose. Kind of ironic tho that they posted Palin pictures all day on April Fool's day.

 

 

And damn you Bill D. Cat for making me google diva cup.

302 Come to think of it, Parker and Noonan backstage at a newsroom set would look like a scene from Desperate Housewives

303 Hot Air: more trolls than the Lord of the Rings trilogy. People actually try to converse with the trolls over there. Here they get swallowed whole. L'il shakin', l'il tenderizin' and down they go.

304

Sarah dared to take on the Stevens-Murkowski old boy network up in Alaska, for that they'll help the DemSM destroy her even if it damages their own party.

Yet Sarah had the cajones to say that Stevens should be afforded another election after Holder's douchebaggery. Yup--proud to be a wimmynz with her. She's all that and a bag of chips.

305

Palin said "fuck it, I'll run as VP". What does she have to lose. Worst case she has to go home to a loving husband, a kick ass carreer she loves, and a cool nest to brood over. It fucked up hunting season, but she got to snowmobile afterwards.

She went into it with muck boots, and showed America she looks hot in heels too.

This is all metaphorically speaking, and I'm not masturbating. Yet. 

306
Why do they hate her? In no particular order:

* She's a successful, attractive, tough woman.

* She's a woman of faith, who is proud of it.

* She's not from "our class": she has a weird accent.

* She has five kids.

* She hunts and shoots.

* Most importantly: she didn't kill Trig.

Of course, none of this would matter if she had a 'D' after her name.

307 Who is this "Allah" person that you are all always mentioning?

308 I don't know what Allah's deal is.  Michelle Obama DOES INDEED look like a Klingon.  An attractive Klingon?  Well yes - but a Klingon nonetheless.

HotAir needs to look at itself though.  Interesting to me that they posted Sarah Palin's picture on every thread they posted on April 1st - making her the "April Fool".

Classsy.

But don't touch Michelle?  Riiiiiight.

309 Allahpundit is right, and so is Ace.

The respectable GOP sites should not attack families or looks, etc.

That's what the proxies are for, like Ace of Spades....

This is what the Dems do.

310 I want to say something to the "Palin can never win" people.

If we want to talk about where the Republicans went wrong last election it was listening to those who said each of the Republican candidates couldn't win.    Romney, because he's mormon.   Giuliani, because of abortion and guns.   Fred, because he didn't have fire in his belly. 

And now it's Palin, because the Democrats and Tabloids are mean.

Now we're all sorry about Romney, who for all his faults, likely would have been intelligent about the economy and business.   Giuliani would have projected confidence and an upbeat attitude at home and strength overseas.   And Fred would have hung to conservative principles.

Who keeps talking us out of our good candidates?

Who keeps LETTING themselves be talked out of our good candidates?

311 AP is a traffic whore now.  Nothing more, nothing less.  You wanna get under his skin?  Collectively and individually just quit visiting Hot Air.  That will hit him where that cat lives.

312

 

I've gone to war with a couple of the Palin derangment bitches. It is getting tiring though. It used to be fun getting them to say something over the line and get banned, but Allahpundit doesn't do jackshit  now. He sets back and lets these trolls go at Palin like she is a pinata. Fuck that.

That Johnston sperm donor seems like a real piece of work. If I were Bristol I'd pay somebody to check his pathetic hockey lovin' ass on the ice. How's that smile without front teeth asshole?

 

 

313

She went into it with muck boots, and showed America she looks hot in heels too.

This is all metaphorically speaking, and I'm not masturbating. Yet.

Maybe this will coax Mr Johnson out for you

314

AP is a traffic whore now.  Nothing more, nothing less. 

Probably, but I'm sure that MM might have a little something to do with that.

Is it just my IP, or is this site slow tonight?

315 I get where he's coming from: My attacks on Michelle Obama are ugly stuff. Furthermore, the left is always eager to spin any attack on the Obamas as racist, so I get why someone would want to keep a weather eye on such remarks.

^^Just had to comment on this.  Why do we devote even a microsecond of thought into finding ways to keep the left from calling us racists?  Embrace it ladies and gents - because it's not going away.

The British National Party is making gains in Britain for two reasons ...

1.  The "Tories" are really no longer a Conservative Party and ...

2.  The BNP has been called "fascist" and "racist" so much - that the charges ring hollow with the British people.  They have become immunized to the charges.

Let them call us all racists.  Occasionally we'll say something that someone agrees with - and they'll find themselves agreeing with us "racists".

This completely erodes the effectiveness of the slur.

We'll be called racist no matter what.  Only the timid run from that slur.

(Looks at HotAir)

316 307 Who is this "Allah" person that you are all always mentioning?

He's an opportunist who will take the side of whomever he thinks can land him a tv commentator gig or a weekly column on NRO

Here's what's rumored to be a picture of him

317

The women I spoke to during the election who were my age ( 20's or early 30's) disliked Palin because of her pro-life stance. The fact that she willingly gave birth to a child with a disability was disturbing to my  female relatives / friends.

Palin was a mouth breathing Christian who would chain them to a dingy mattress and force them to birth the spawn of a rapist.

 Antidotal, but that's all I have.

318 Ms. Palin is beautiful inside. Losers hate that.
Worf? Rotten to the fucking core. Sooooo.. left.

319 2.  The BNP has been called "fascist" and "racist" so much - that the charges ring hollow with the British people.  They have become immunized to the charges.


This is why all the attacks on Sarah Palin aren't going to work against her in the end.   The worse the attacks, the stupider the attacks, the more that  her children are dragged into it (and no matter how callow, I can't blame Levi for bailing, everything considered) the more that she is called names (and any time we use "caribou barbie" or "chill billy" it actually works to take the power away from the name callers) and the more she's taken to court for doing something as evil as wearing a jacket with a snow-machine logo on it...   that stuff doesn't hurt.   It helps.

Just so long as her supporters don't lose their nerve and try to find someone that the Democrats won't be mean to!

320

Could it be "risk aversion" that drives PDS? Well educated women who were taught that  it is just as easy to suck a rich mans cock?

The wouldn't do shit to risk the Benz ML350, Country Club etc...

They get fake tits, veneers, facelifts etc... all the while they know their husband is fucking his secretary.

Palin makes them look like the shallow whores they are.

321 "316 307 Who is this "Allah" person that you are all always mentioning?

He's an opportunist who will take the side of whomever he thinks can land him a tv commentator gig or a weekly column on NRO

Here's what's rumored to be a picture of him

Posted by: kbdabear at April 03, 2009 10:10 PM (miw86)"

Where are you reading what the guy has to say?   I'm only here a short couple of months and I read RWv and Malkin and a ton of financial blogs and news sites but I never heard of this guy until all of you mentioned him.

322 "allah is not the most important person on Hot Air. MM is. It's her franchise, and she has the most to lose"

So why does she let allah fucking ruin the place?  Why does she let him continuously show contempt for his readership, bait them with grossly misleading headlines, tolerates every last bit of trash thrown at Palin (while banning posters who do the same to Obama and Worf)?  Why does she let allah turn so many of his Palin-bashing threads into flame wars and food fights?  It's one thing to stimulate debate, but it's quite another to just incite a riot among the commenters for the sole purpose of driving hit counts.  Allah these days does very little of the former and plenty of the latter.

That place has turned un-fucking-readable.  Ed is ok, maybe not the most exciting guy in the world but at least he doesn't try to bait readers with misleading headlines, or drip with contempt towards those readers.

I like Michelle, but as long as she continues to give him a forum and get away with the shit he does, her own reputation will suffer as well.  She needs to cut ties with him.

323 While your vid was good kdbear, she's young. With age comes beauty, inside and out; this is a much better pic of Sarah imho.

324 armybrat, my dear, please excuse an old English major, but

Antidotal

You mean "anecdotal".

325

Where are you reading what the guy has to say?   I'm only here a short couple of months and I read RWv and Malkin and a ton of financial blogs and news sites but I never heard of this guy until all of you mentioned him.

He's one of the guys at a website called hotair.com.

326 Thanx for the sarah  pron cyn and kdbear. But "little Elvis" won't play to an audience that reminds him of his cool sisters. Who do all the shit Palin does. Except they have total slacker husbands.

327 You guys are really overthinking this.

Here's the complete list of reasons why the left hates her:

1. She's a Republican.

That's it.  That's all that matters.  The reason they're extra vicious is because she's a woman, and women are supposed to vote for Democrats, which makes her a traitor to her gender.  (see also: race-traitor Clarence Thomas and race-and-gender-traitor Michelle Malkin)

328

please excuse an old English major Monty at April 03, 2009 10:22 PM

Ahh, now I now wy your as goodly as riter as you are!

329

330

Allahpundit haters don't want to read other peoples' opinions.  They want to read their own opinions in a better prose style.

(Apologies to Bill Cosby)

331 #329 - Funny things from Letterman's Top 10 in the last week

332 326 Thanx for the sarah  pron cyn and kdbear. But "little Elvis" won't play to an audience that reminds him of his cool sisters.

Sorry, thought it was for gator

333 gator would fuck his sisters.

334 Allahpundit is right, and so is Ace.

The respectable GOP sites should not attack families or looks, etc.

That's what the proxies are for, like Ace of Spades....

This is what the Dems do.
Posted by: Aaron at April 03, 2009 10:01 PM

Allahpundit allows his army of trolls to attack Palin's looks and her family all the fucking time. He even encourages it. So, don't lecture us with bullshit like "Allahpundit is right" - he's a tool.

335 Yeah, but are gator's sisters really worth fucking?

336

Don't knock goth chicks - they're a great way for a high school guy to get laid. Learn to throw sultry vampire looks at them and they'll be tossing their big, black panties to the floor in no time.

Somewhat related: Medieval Fair in Norman, Oklahoma tomorrow. I'll be getting my geek on. LIGHTNING BOLT! LIGHTNING BOLT! LIGHTNING BOLT!

337 That ain't why....

338 Allahpundit haters don't want to read other peoples' opinions.  They want to read their own opinions in a better prose style.

I call bullshit. I'm sick of that "we don't want different opinions" wave off that we get from people like him. We get different opinions ad nauseam 24/7 from the DemSM and Hollyweird.  People like AP want the cover of "conservatism" because left and liberal writers are as common as herpes sores on Britney Spears cooze.  If we want someone bashing conservatives and republicans nonstop while praising democrats, we have a cornucopia of choices from the DemSM. People like him are basically using "conservatism" as a beard.

339 "are gator's sisters really worth fucking?"

Used to be.

340 Cyn, you're kidding right? At this place, anything that would fuck an Ewok is game.

341

Oops, had my construction had on when I posted that.

I really meant to say that I'm certain that gator's sisters are lovely people on the inside and the outside, which is really what makes the world go round. More tea and cookies anyone? Perhaps a sandwich?

342 Ace never lost tha funny, he just thought he did.  This post confirms it.  Keep up the good fight man, back to lurking for me. Set phaser's to.....Fuck it, just keep on plugging man.  I love this blog.

343 Medieval Fair in Norman, Oklahoma tomorrow. I'll be getting my geek on.

Yeah, I'll be heading up to the Renaissance Faire up in the Twin Cities this summer. There's something about those bar-wenches that makes the old John Thomas perk right up.

344 construction had = construction HAT

345 Ahh, now I now wy your as goodly as riter as you are!

Monty is awesome, but he's the exception, I think. Nowadays, English majors often produce mountains of sub-moronic, barely-literate drivel.

346

Cyn, you're kidding right? At this place, anything that would fuck an Ewok is game.

Ace did gator's sisters??!!

347 Ace probably did gator too!

348

Monty is awesome

+11

I'd subscribe to his newsletter anyday; yours too for that matter IT Cur.

349 Roger Simon is my favorite "not a conservative even though he's called that". Roger never claims to be a conservative, tells you exactly where he stands and is always honest about it. If he changes his mind on a subject, he'll give you a full explanation why he does, rather than sneak it in through the back door.  I read him regularly not because I agree with him all the time, but because he's honest about who he is.

350 ok so this guy is one of michelle malkin's commenters.  I don't read her comments just some of her articles so I guess that is why I don't know who this person is.

351 Monty is awesome

What's that smell? Why, it's me! It's the smell of awesome! Who knew that awesome and beer-and-egg farts smelled the same? Wow. I'm overcome!

352 Nowadays, English majors often produce mountains of sub-moronic, barely-literate drivel.

Barely literate would be a step up for most Heartbreaking Works Of Staggering Genius.

353

I'd subscribe to his newsletter anyday; yours too for that matter IT Cur.

Posted by: Cyn at April 03, 2009 10:38 PM


How about mine? I have some leftover crayons

354 Obligatory.

Just substitute in Monty. 

355

I work with mostly women, and I love it! But, then I work in an ICU, where we deal with a lot of high stress on a daily basis. I have 5 or 6 women who are my clostest friends, and they are all strong, very strong, women. These girls dont play, and they dont take shit off nobody. They also all like Sarah, even though a couple of them are Dems. They may not vote for her, but they disagree with the trashing she, and Hill btw, got from the MSM.

Ace, I understand your point about the edge. In what I do, there is an edge that you dare not cross. There is humor there that I cannot ever explain to anyone else, even most of you morons would consider it sick. I live on the edge at work, and there is a responsibility on that edge that most dont understand. One of the reasons that I continue to come back here is the fact that the edge is further down the road than most other blogs I have visited. Twenty years of living on that edge makes you very sensitive to the "line that must not be crossed." 

Ace, I appreciate the dilemna you face with some posts. And I, for one, appreciate the yeomans job you, and your co-bloggers. do keeping watch over your site. Coming back here is a joy to me. I know, almost always, that I will have some fun here and participate in good discussions.

O?T who's legs looks better? Gingers or SPs?

Kane

356 alexthechick:

You have. Made an unkind. Joke at my expense. You will. Surely pay!

357 ^{"Kind of ironic tho that they posted Palin pictures all day on April Fool's day."}

Ed did.

Allah didn't, which, of course, ruined Ed's harmless prank.

358

ok so this guy is one of michelle malkin's commenters.  I don't read her comments just some of her articles so I guess that is why I don't know who this person is.

Head over to hotair.com (not michellemalkin.com) and take a gander if you're so inclined. Allahpundit and Ed Morrissey 'run' the site but it's Michelle's baby per se.

359 354 Obligatory.

Just substitute in Monty. 

LOL

How about this

360

Monty @ 324

Damn...I'm fine with my elders correcting  my english when I'm wrong, but calling me "dear"?

*blush*

 

 

361

Damn, AtC, you dont play, do you?

Kane

362 ^{"Ok so this guy is one of michelle malkin's commenters."}

No, dude.  Allah is "Allahpundit," one of Michelle's two primary bloggers at HotAir.com.

363

How about mine? I have some leftover crayons kbdabear at April 03, 2009 10:44 PM

I am all over your newletter for all its Star Trek hawtness.

364 You have. Made an unkind. Joke at my expense. You will. Surely pay!

I fail to see how comparing you to Capt. Kirk is unkind.  Unless you have something against banging hot alien women.  SPECIESIST! 

365 Well, if it's come down to mockery and crude caricature, then I must bid you all good day!

You'll miss me when I'm gone.

366 What's that smell? Why, it's me! It's the smell of awesome! Who knew that awesome and beer-and-egg farts smelled the same? Wow. I'm overcome!

The fact that I gave you a well-deserved compliment doesn't mean that we're gonna be taking long showers together until the wee hours of the morning....

367 Oh, and for all the Allah defenders, don't act like the guy's not getting a stiffy from all the attention, negative or otherwise.

368

You'll miss me when I'm gone. Monty at April 03, 2009 10:52 PM

Indeed, but the smell of your awesomeness and the beer-and-egg farts you've left us shall remain. =D

369 Oh, and then he goes and does a pro-Palin Quote of the Day.  What a total douchebag! 

370

(looks around)

is this hotair?

nope

then I wonder why we are all so worked up about it.

Kane

371 alexthechick:

One last thing. Any ship-captain who would ignore the luscious Yeoman Rand for whatever dippy-looking "planet hottie of the week" is too stupid to live. I'd be on that like a fat kid on a hotdog.

372 TBH,

That post was wayy too fucking long to read Ace.  Next time let's go for a TL;DR version or someshit.

373 Men are by nature merely indifferent to one another; but women are by nature enemies. The reason is no doubt that the odium figulinum which with men does not go beyond the bounds of the particular guild, with women embraces the whole sex, because they are all engaged in the same trade. Even when they simply pass in the street they look at one another like Guelphs and Ghibellines; and when two women meet for the first time there is clearly more constraint and pretense involved than in the case of two men: so that when two women exchange compliments it sounds much more ludicrous than when two men do so. Further, while a man will as a rule still preserve some degree of consideration and humanity even when addressing men very much his inferior, it is intolerable to see with what haughty disdain an aristocratic woman usually speaks to women who are beneath her (I am not referring to servants). The reason for this may be that with women all differences in rank are far more precarious than they are with us, and can be altered or abolished much more quickly, because in our case a hundred different considerations are involved, while in theirs only one is decisive, namely which man they have succeeded in attracting. Another reason may be that, because they are all in the same profession, they all stand much closer to one another than men do, and consequently strive to emphasize differences in rank.

374

"People like AP want the cover of "conservatism" because [it gives them a unique angle].   If we want someone bashing conservatives and republicans nonstop while praising democrats...."

Hmm.  Bashing conservatives nonstop.  Is this what Allahpundit does?  Praising democrats.  Does this happen a lot at Hotair?  The answers are pretty obviously no.  Don't call the bullshit police on me, when it's you they'll be looking for.

When AP points out hypocrisy and lack of propriety on the part of conservatives, I see that as a service.  Keeping us all on the up-and-up a little bit more.  With that in mind, would you keep abominations like "DemSM" and "Hollyweird" to yourself, they're not clever.

375 Any ship-captain who would ignore the luscious Yeoman Rand for whatever dippy-looking "planet hottie of the week" is too stupid to live.

Have I complimented your taste recently?  Because oh HELL yes. 

376

Alexthechick,

Hope that your stomping of the speciests includes some thigh high leather boots. With pics, please.

377

AP is a traffic whore now.  Nothing more, nothing less.  You wanna get under his skin?  Collectively and individually just quit visiting Hot Air.  That will hit him where that cat lives.

Allah was going apeshit over the arrival of Fox Nation. Worried about losing hits. He hammed on it a bit, but you could tell he's concerned about it. If site traffic drops significantly, MM will get rid of Allah.

I miss Bryan. he would post stuff about the space program that was really cool.

378 Nite all

379

"Oh, and for all the Allah defenders, don't act like the guy's not getting a stiffy from all the attention, negative or otherwise."

Blogger enjoys attention.  Film at 11.

380

Nite ybm sleep well!

Kane

381

Dammit!!!!!!!!!!!!

That shoulda been nite Cyn!

Ima moron

Kane

382 Bad timing that Todd Palin's sister gets busted for burglary again today.
And you think the left HATES Palin ??? Sarah is the gift that doesn't stop giving

383 With that in mind, would you keep abominations like "DemSM" and "Hollyweird" to yourself, they're not clever. Posted by: Olaf at April 03, 2009 11:00 PM

What's the matter, don't like perspectives different from your own?

384 Hmmm.

Which is why I don't bother with Hotair.com.

Why should I waste my time with people who want to censor me?  I have Freedom of Speech and I'm damn well going to use it.

385 375 Any ship-captain who would ignore the luscious Yeoman Rand for whatever dippy-looking "planet hottie of the week" is too stupid to live.

You don't remember this scene?

Better put some ice on that yeoman

386

"Bad timing that Todd Palin's sister gets busted for burglary again today.
And you think the left HATES Palin ??? Sarah is the gift that doesn't stop giving"

Are you a fuckin IDIOT? Its okay for you but not for us to have family members that are not perfect? Have you ever had someone that you love, but you just cant fix? Do you have children? I doubt it, unless the ones that arent perfect are kept in the basement for years, until they are found by small children of your attorney neighbour.

Why dont you go suck a fat baby's ass until you die, asshole!

Fuck You, Asshole!

Kane

387

Ummmmmm, did I cross the line there?

Kane

388 Posted by: John ryan at April 03, 2009 11:07 PM (LHCAa)


Biden's daughter is on tape snorting coke. Have you seen all of the press coverage of it?

389

Ummmmmm, did I cross the line there?

What line? I don't see any stinkin' line.

Good thing about lines: when you cross one, just draw another!

390 387

Ummmmmm, did I cross the line there?

Kane

Yes, go to your room and read this and think about what you've done young man!

391 It's obvious that Olaf is a paid agent of the Vast Scandi Lutefisk Conspiracy.

392 391 It's obvious that Olaf is a paid agent of the Vast Scandi Lutefisk Conspiracy.

andros' bunkmate I think except his grammar is better.

393

Collectively and individually just quit visiting Hot Air. 

Done about 3 months ago, Fred. I don't even bother with the Headlines now.

It's obvious that Olaf is a paid agent of the Vast Scandi Lutefisk Conspiracy.
Or just an asshole.

394

Okay, now that I have calmed down a bit, (after destroying the nearby town,) I have a test questiob for you morons:

What is the book referenced in my very angry response above?

Kane

395 I think Olaf=JeffB=Allahpussy=Andros

396 If we have a troll here, I'd better use FDA approved troll food.  The left loves regulations

397 What is the book referenced in my very angry response above?

Little Women?

398

ITC

moron!

Kane

399 397 What is the book referenced in my very angry response above?

Little Women?

Bingo! and to think I was going to say Sense and Sensability

400

Friggin morons cant even figure this out!

It was "Dick and Jane go to School" which is soon to be, ummmmm disapproved, for use in schools, in favor of "Jane has four Moms and Three Dads" as approved by by your local Federal School Book Approving Agency.

Kane

401

I don't like name calling either, it's so unbecoming. This Allah (Dude!) sucks ass like an Orkin. I saw the whole Malkin pingpong ball thing and thought it was funny. The outrage over it ( I thought) was that if a conservative did it to a liberal a crucafixtion would be in order.

I understand that there are Lines, but only for "us" and remember, even if we stay safely behind them, fucksticks like that Dyson punk will just say we are using code words.

Having said all that, I don't know why it's so harsh to display a picture of Mrs. O as a Klingon Warrioress. She looks good! I certainly chubbed up.

As for Sarah Palin, They don't hate her because she's a Republican, Conservative, Beautiful or has it all. They hate her because she is honest.

402 No, I have to say I'm a tad befuddled by the woman-bashing theme being developed in this thread. I'm a woman in a male-dominated industry and I believe I've seen my share of sniveling idiots among the male of the species. I also worked in female-dominated environments in my pre-engineering days, and they were characterized by a distinct lack of pettiness and back-stabbing, and plenty of intelligent conversation. I like me my gadgets, but my eyes glaze over when anything automotive is introduced into the conversation. I don't even like bringing my car in to be serviced (although someone wise once explained that it's like having a facial, something you should do seasonally, and while that resigned me to it a little I've always relegated the deed to whatever sig. other was on hand at the time). As for changing a tire? In a Canadian winter, yet? I'd rather administer myself a root canal with an icepick. That is why a wise deity invented roadside assistance. I don't think this represents a irredeemable flaw on my part, but you might disagree.

403 AP put up another positive post about Palin. Did MM have had a meeting about budget cuts?

404 Captain Ed left his best days behind when he gave up Captain's Quarters.

I skip every post by AP. He is too depressing and he is too credulous.  Critical thinking skills are important.  Sometimes, you should not give the Dems the benefit of the doubt, and as he has been proven wrong so many times.  Power Line suffers from this as well.  95% of the time you need to ascribe the malicious motive to the dems and/or MSM, as this has been borne out over the last 24 months many times over.. 

405 In fairness, the DemSM (FYO) hit Hillary with slurs offensive to women when she was in last year's cage match with Teleprompter.  Most of the PUMA sites, particularly No Quarter went after them for the Palin smears as much if not more fiercely as the Hillary smears.  I saw more hard defense of Sarah from PUMA's than I did from some "conservatives" in most cases.

406 Network timeout

Better change the hamsters, Ace

407 Bingo! and to think I was going to say Sense and Sensability

Jane Austen was my first thought, namely, Pride and Prejudice.

Which of course, leads directly to zombies.

408 I'm kind of late to the thread, but I'd just like to point out that Michelle Obama looks like Ron Perlman's ugly sister.

409 407 Bingo! and to think I was going to say Sense and Sensability

Jane Austen was my first thought, namely, Pride and Prejudice.

Which of course, leads directly to zombies.


Mr Cur, report to the principal's office, and bring that large chess club brain of yours.

410

Crap! Forgot to mention the zombies! And the shrimp, cant forget the shrimp!

Where is my bait, he started this?

Kane

411
Brains!

412

Palin in a pantsuit........makes Hillary look like, well,.......Hillary.

THAT'S why "they" hate her.

413 Mr Cur, report to the principal's office, and bring that large chess club brain of yours.

Never did the chess club thing. Would you believe that I was a total stoner in High School? Spicoli without the charm.

414

Mixedberry,

That same wise deity also inspired the axiom, "God helps those who help themselves." Men, at least the ones who aspire to a modicum of independence, learn early to do as much as possible to eliminate dependence on others. Depending on other people to do things you can't do because you didn't bother to learn how is an exploitable weakness. Smart men avoid those. Also, there may well come the time that willing others aren't available. \

Women, for whatever reason, generally don't seem to think like that. Judging from your comment you follow the common female mindset that "someone else will take care of that yucky problem."

Just so you can't say you haven't been warned, people who don't take their automobiles in for proper servicing at manufacturer-recommended intervals (or do the maintenance themselves), are BEGGING for an unscheduled outage. Murphy's Law being what it is, that outage will come at a time when you can least afford it--like, say, at night on a rural road in the middle of a Canadian winter snowstorm. At that point, you're not only in danger yourself, you're bringing someone else--probably a man--into peril to save you from the consequences of your own poor decisions. TFB. Of course, if you're a REAL engineer, YOU ALREADY KNOW THIS.

However, I suspect Sarah Palin would NEVER do something stupid like that.

415

So that idiot doesnt want to come out and play?

Typical troll.

The wiining answer is: (drumroll) 12

Tomorrows game will be: "Who can piss Kane off even more by making stupid moobant statements"

Night all, I feel much safer knowing you are all here!

Kane

416

When I think left-wing women I automatically think trash.  And not appealing sexy trash either.  Really revolting trash.

Put it differently:  we're not talking here about the girl you know who looks good in a miniskirt, always wears way too little, talks about sex a lot, and is always touching you suggestively.  That's the good kind of trash.

No, we're talking about the woman who hangs around with queers (and sometimes screws them), practices witchcraft, has a receding chin, spends most of her time with others like herself bad-mouthing past lovers' sexual performance, and is utterly unappealing both as a person and as a sex object.  When they try to flirt they look ridicuous; they try to act like some idiotic caricature of a dumb broad.

Republican women are much more able to be sexy.  For instance, I shit you not when I say that Mormon women are ofen the sexiest women you'll ever meet.  Not kidding.

417 One of the more interesting criticisms I recall from the election was that Palin was horrible because she looked (and I'll use different words here... it was ruder) she looked sexy without looking like she'd be willing to have sex. 

Which is why those Mormon women are so sexy, Ken.   The expectation of some measure of exclusivity is *attractive*.

The female person complaining about Palin thought this was just terrible for some reason.    Maybe she felt it was some sort of hypocrisy, that if one projected sexiness they were also obligated to be a slut.

Who can know?

418

Maybe the republican establishment hates her because she has committed the one sin against them that can never be forgiven: She refused to play the 'go along to get along' game with corrupt pols in her home state.  The republican establishment will forgive selling out their principles, they will forgive selling out the base, they will even forgive the occaisional insult or attack directed by one of their own against one of their own  ~ but they will not and can not forgive someone refusing to look the other way when corrupt pols of their own party pillage on the public's dime.

Palin didn't play this game, and her refusal to do so was quite public.  As a result she has very little of a power base in AK politics.  Most of the established republican pols in this state hate her guts, because her refusal to play their game ripped the mask off.  Now some of them are in jail, and many others are in trouble of one sort or another.  Not solely her doing, of course, but to them her refusal to play amounts to a betrayal and they will never forgive her for it.

Maybe the party pols at the national level are afraid that she will upset the apple cart in Washington.  That could explain why she is both loathed and feared by many of the established pols in DC.

419 BTW, I'm a chick and I LOVE Sarah. Sadly I have to agree with the previous commenter that she will never run for president successfully. The MSM did way too good of a job poisoning her image in the minds of the sheeplike masses.

To this and the subsequent commentors,  I wouldn't completely despair on this.  Reagan was badmouthed by Norman Lear and his ilk on a regular basis before President Malaise fucked things up so badly here and abroad that the voters thought something along the lines of "The media sure seemed to like this peanut-farming lecherous fuck and that ain't worked out so well."  Add one "There you go again" in the debates and the landslide was on.  Anybody that doesn't think Palin could completely decimate Bammers in a debate is currently trolling HA while AllahDouche is busy spanking it while fantasizing that Meghan McCain thinks he shoots bonbon flavored jizz.

420
The word 'hate' is too strong.  It's more like 'fear' that someone lacking a grade school education thinks she's capable of world leadership.  I can see how wingnuts might react differently however, since most  aren't aware that Africa is not a country.

421 Speaking as a chick, I make a request: can we see some more postings about our Urkel-in-chief and making fun of his looks?

While MO is no Venus, she does show some style from time to time, and the worst part of her looks is her pissed-off face (and some people just look like that - my husband has the same problem. Even when his face is totally relaxed and neutral, people think he's angry due to forehead wrinkles). But ole jug ears? Moobs? With his stunning smoker's physique? Women are supposed to be swooning over him, just like women swooned over the ole boozy buffoon of the 90s? Beg pardon?

I understand doing the pushback on MO, but it might be nice to have some on BHO. I can understand Ace thinking he doesn't have the cred to attack another man's attractiveness (hey! ewoks are cute and cuddly! The chicks dig that!), so he can hand that task to LauraW or Gabe.

Or at least give the [straight] chicks here something nice to look at. And I'm not talking Hasselhoff.

422 Who keeps talking us out of our good candidates?

Who keeps LETTING themselves be talked out of our good candidates?

My guess would be the cowards who can only muster enough courage to beat up on our own because they're afraid they may not allowed membership into the really cool VIP room..

For example, Allahpundit most of all wants to be cool...like Meagan McCain kind of cool and that means crapping all over the people Allahpundit's peers think are worthy of crapping on because it makes them feel cool.

Allahpundit is a cheap whore for the cool people and is a cowards because he cannot stand on his own two feet.

As for the theory that  'people don't like racial comments' put forth by ACE.

Well Americans voted for a President who during his campaign  basically said 'WHITEY"S GREED IS THE CAUSE OF ALL THE WORLD'S PROBLEMS' .

I suppose Racism depends upon the color of skin; these days some skins are better than others.

My suggestion is, stop trying to be so damn cool because cool people are the  creepy people

423 Insisting that your side show more civility than the other side, in the face of unrelenting attacks like this, is stupidity and suicide. Allahpundit should know better, just as the GOP idiocracy (which apparently Cantor is a part of) should know better.

424 Why the leftist women hate her so much:

Her husband's secret service name was "Driller".

Leftist women can only dream of getting the drilling that Todd puts to Hottie Sarah. Seriously, imagine going to bed at night with a Tim Robbins type starting foreplay by apologizing for being a man.

425 I thought the Palin hate thing was exaggerated, until I overheard a conversation at WalMart.  Three women, with a combined IQ that was not likely to reach triple digits, were going on about how they would never vote for McCain because of that awful Palin woman.

NY was never in play for McCain, so in one sense it doesn't matter.  However, I was astounded by the visceral hatred for someone who had actually accomplished something.  I fear the Teleprompter-in-Chief is on to something, namely that there are a huge number of people out there who would tear down what others have built in the name of equality. 

I think it's envy that they won't even admit to themselves.  Heaven help those who achieve something in this country, because the mob wants to take it away.

426 Allah, Allah, Allah chingada

427

but largely because the media wishes to protect Joe Biden (and therefore Obama) from any hint of scandal or "messy family lives

Dead on target. Al Gore's kid was by all accounts the Angel of Death behind the wheel of a car, but nothing in the media. The Bush twins partied a little in a party heavy town like Austin, TX, and they're painted as Tara  Reid clones.

I don't care that lefties hate Sarah Palin; what makes me want to crack skulls is the low-rent way they try and destroy her.  Attacking her family is cruel and out of line, and further proof that liberals are nasty, shitty people.

I also gotta disagree that Allah is just protecting HA's brand name.  He tolerates or encourages all manner of cheap shot Palin bashing.

428

Yeah, Jenna Bush, who works with dirt-poor AIDS victims in the Caribbean through UNICEF -- she's just like Paris Hilton.

But Chelsea Clinton, who got out of college and took a six-figure entry-level job with the same high-powered consulting firm that employed Jeffrey Skilling before he worked for Enron or went to prison -- well, she's just like Mother Teresa.

(Holy crap! Over 400 comments. You must've touched a nerve.)

429 The word 'hate' is too strong.  It's more like 'fear' that someone lacking a grade school education thinks she's capable of world leadership.  I can see how wingnuts might react differently however, since most  aren't aware that Africa is not a country.

You're really a parody poster, right?

430 Who says Michelle Obama doesn't appeal to men?!!  I would DEFINITELY hit that!!

431 Palin had the balls to mock our state run media candidate.

So the state run media's little turd sniffers decided to hate.

432

I believe the full title is Jane Has Four Moms And Three Dads And A Beagle Named Toby And An Asshole Named Tom Dubya.

(And Tom is a frequent leftie troll here, Captain Hate, which is why he reads like a parody poster.)

433 Allahpundit has announced that they will be opening registration for HotAir soon. Obviously, there are not enough trills there.

434 "You're really a parody poster, right?"

Baw. The self-parody on this board reaches heights I could only dream of.

435
"They are also building schools for the Afghan children so that there is hope and opportunity in our neighboring country of Afghanistan."

Sarah Palin,  Oct. 5, 2008

Now who could top that?

436 “When we kicked — along with France, we kicked Hezbollah out of Lebanon, I said and Barack said, “Move NATO forces in there. Fill the vacuum, because if you don’t know — if you don’t, Hezbollah will control it.”

Joe Biden - Vice-Presidential debate

I'm sure Hassan Nasrallah was having fits of giggles somewhere in Beirut when he heard that little gem. Mind you, this is the guy that Barry of Nazareth tapped pad his resume when it came to foreign policy so draw your own conclusions.

437 This thread is why I love this site. I've just killed half my morning reading the whole thing.

I won't repeat all the insightful takes on this topic, but just want to add that I have two young daughters and I can only hope when they grow up they'll turn out as well as Sarah has. I just wish they got to see her elected VP, girls in this country need more role models like her.

438 Don't overthink this. What they fear, they destroy. I believe it's as simple as that.

439 24 I really, really hate that modern feminism has been boiled down to only being militantly pro-choice, and demonizing anyone who isn't. I am continually sickened by the so-called "feminists" who still attack her and every word out of her mouth as if she's some sort of hypocrite, when they are the hypocrites.   Hello, a woman who wasn't feminist (in the real sense, not the bullshit liberal sense) wouldn't be holding such a position of power!  If one wants to celebrate women's equality and achievements, shouldn't Palin be held up as a role model?  But I agree the hatred is at least partially due to her looks; the women who go overboard into the modern "feminist" movement seem to be the unpopular kids in school who turn their anger outward at the "patriarchy" and "privilege" and all that fatuous crap and who now see her as the cool, smart, athletic, popular girl they loved to rip apart out of earshot.

Posted by: Londo Cardassian at April 03, 2009 06:14 PM (AfReK)

There are a few feminists who get it.  Camille Paglia absolutely adores her, Geraldine Ferraro had some nice things to say about her, and Baroness DeRothschild supported her.

440 Perhaps I can help you in the future when writing about this.  I'm a student and work part-time in the corporate world.  We call them Cubefraus.  The "professional woman" in a cube mostly tied to the copier machine.  There cubes are plastered with cute little sayings, pictures of their "little legacies",  they constantly send out the emails regarding that little girl who needs heart surgery, surveys about your favorite color etc. . . that you need to fill out and forward to six people, constantly collecting for the next baby shower, birthday party, retirement party, so and so's mother is sick blah blah blah.... , eat a lean cuisine at lunch and three snickers and a diet coke at 2 P.M. But their most important function seems to be to trash any successful woman who risen above the hen clucking clutch.  There favorite weapon is to report on who she slept with, true or not, to get where she is.  Or maybe it was the boob job, the tight skirt, the over fussed hair, and iaren't those heels  just a little too inappropriate for the office?

These are the women who espouse feminism yet turned their back on these ideals to elect a darker shade predident for the first time.  These are the women who don't get exactly what they deserve.  The women who will blame everyone but themselves for the glass ceiling.  Better to be a martyr than to try and fail. Or worse yet to try and succeed.  Succeed like Sarah Palin did.

441 mac,

I believe that nowhere did I state that my car didn't receive the same care and maintenance as, say, yours. I said that I was perfectly happy to relegate said care and maintenance to others, not that I was content to watch my car rust into a decrepit heap of rubbish all around me. Thanks ever so much for your sneering concern, but should my car develop a flat tire during the rugged Canadian winter, I had the foresight to arrange for free roadside assistance. I believe that is also helping oneself, like the maxim says.

I don't think it's a laudable goal (or a particularly achievable one) to eliminate my dependence on other people. I don't, for example, know how to hunt and/or forage for my own food, because as an urban person I have the reasonable expectation that I can purchase it at the local market. Similarly, I don't know how to change a flat tire, because as an urban person I can be confident that roadside assistance is never far away. I think it's fabulous that Sarah Palin can do all these things, probably while circling the earth in a superhero costume, but her experience as a rural Alaskan is quite different from mine and I don't seek to emulate her.

442 I admire Sarah Palin and respect her achievements, but unlike what some here seem to be insinuating I don't think she's the only role model American females can aspire to. Is that heresy?

443 Anything that the left can do to demean a conservative is fair game to them.  After all, it's winning that counts, and if you have to destroy the life of your oponent, that's okay, too.

444

Ginger: 252 Speaking of girl on girl action....

Thread winner hands down! ...uhm, what was this thread about again?

445

"I think you need to be careful who you're painting with that broad brush. *no pun intended*.  There are many very smart conservative women in this country, and many smart liberal ones as well.   Judge by the commenters on this site alone.  Many, many smart women.  Maybe you need to pick a better crowd of "girls" to hang with."

Read the original post. I did say not all but most. I certainly don't pick them but hunt through them for some with a clue. A new friend is a woman who just moved back from London with her Secret Service husband. She was sick of everything being Bush's fault. I let her know that that opinion wasn't exclusive to the English. We are fast friends. I have 3 sons and live in the Washington suburbs, spending the majority of my free time at schools and games, drop off and pick up. The schools are private and the games are travel/select/private school games. I would think this atmosphere would lend itself to fewer stupid women and maybe it does but most of them don't have an opinion in their head that doesn't come from pop culture. Sometimes, when asked they refer me to their husbands. This group includes my very monetarily successful sister. There are some bright conservative women but they are not a huge part of the voting block and are far outnumbered by their stupider sisters.

446

"I work in a building full of men that couldn't tell me the name of the their own state legislators, let alone the Attorney General .  Most don't know the difference between the Senate and the Congress.  But I certainly wouldn't classify all men as stupid because of them."

I know these guys too and they are almost all liberals. They are fun to screw with (figuratively) as they get embarrassed when asked real questions unlike the women. In 1990 a new guy came to work just moved from NC. He was telling me what a racist Jesse Helms was. I acted shocked and wanted to know what Jesse had said, exactly. Too funny to watch the squirming.

447 "AllahPundit doesn't like the Worf type insults directed at Michelle Obama, and has warned, vaguely, that indulging in such could result in a ban."

nope he only likes to cheap shot the base that helps get the side he wants to win (at least i think he wants to see win ???) get elected. i'm waiting for the day he implodes, he already almost did that when he tried to defend the one's special olympics joke

448 The reasons "feminists" and the left hate Sarah Palin are: (1) Trig; and (2), she can and should be president in 2012, assuming Obama hasn't tossed out the Constitution and declared himself president-for-life.

The Down syndrome baby is the boogey fetus that pro-choicers use to get support for abortion by scaring women about the difficulties of raising a child with disabilities, which are indeed formidable. Sarah Palin and her family are now modelling how to raise a Down syndrome child, which deprives them of the most compelling argument they have.

BTW, I support choice and abortion, with limitations.

Cynthia

449 My liberal sister said that it was a reflection of Sarah's poor judgement that she kept Trig, and that is why it mattered in the election.

I once told her I love her, but I love my country more. Didn't go over well.

450

437.  "This thread is why I love this site. I've just killed half my morning reading the whole thing."

Ditto.   HotAir looks the other way when commenters make sexist, misogynist posts about Palin.  I won't be hanging out there anymore.

451

Mixedberry,

"I like me my gadgets, but my eyes glaze over when anything automotive is introduced into the conversation. I don't even like bringing my car in to be serviced (although someone wise once explained that it's like having a facial, something you should do seasonally, and while that resigned me to it a little I've always relegated the deed to whatever sig. other was on hand at the time)."

It's my experience that most women don't do things they don't like until absolutely forced by necessity. The rational, abstract thinking needed to comprehend and take action on something in the category of "things they don't like" is a major necessity is also not one of the gender's strong points. There is a reason engineering classes are overwhelmingly male, and it isn't restriction to female entry. Am I painting with a broad brush? Yes. Are there some brilliant women eingineers? Yes. Did the single female vote elect Obama? Yes. 

I'll hope, for your sake, that when you need help your cell phone battery isn't dead and you're in a place with good reception.

452

I'm so very late to this party but I just wanted to say I really loved this piece on Palin. I linked it to my blog - hope you don't mind.

I also wholeheartedly agree with how and why you say the things you do about Lt. Worf, oops I mean Michelle Obama.

I love the comments in this thread. You've all made some really great points.

453 Just to show how much they hate Sarah Palin I'm thinking of linking this thread to a liberal site.  The truth is, by accepting the bashing of Sarah Palin with the use of sexist tactics, the left did more damage to feminism than any right wing pundit, court appointee, or politician ever could.  They allowed women(Hillary and Sarah) to be the sacraficial goats in order to elect a halfrican American.  Imagine attacking a woman because she had more than Al Gore's reccommended 1.5 children?  Sarah was attacked on the very biological core of what makes a woman a woman.

454 Its called fear.  Palin, a self-made and beautiful woman, refutes much of what the left has been dishing out for so long and she doesn't take their shit. So the lefties fear her so they attack her.  I wonder how the younger professional women view her because I don't think many of them have bought into "I'm a pissed off, man-hating, wrinkled professional woman with no men in my life except for dwarfs, queers, and poorly groomed men who look like Ward Churchill."

455 Mac,

I believe the risk of that is considerably less than the risk that I sustain injury to myself while attempting to change a tire in -40 degree weather, but your concern is touching.

456

Kanelin: O?T who's legs looks better? Gingers or SPs?

Gingers - with or without the boots!

...but Ginger please link a new picture with your toes!

457 382 Bad timing that Todd Palin's sister gets busted for burglary again today.
And you think the left HATES Palin ??? Sarah is the gift that doesn't stop giving

Posted by: John ryan at April 03, 2009 11:07 PM (LHCAa)

It's not her sister, IT'S TODD'S FUCKING HALF-SISTER YOU FUCKING MOBY BUTTFUCKER

458 So what about Sarah's half sister in law.  What about Joe Biden's crack whore daughter?  Can't wait until the video of her snorting coke and fighting with the cops is released. 

459 Carrying on as if Michelle Obama was attractive is borderline psychotic not to mention a blatant fucking lie. She is an ugly bitch, inside and out, and she and her husband both have earned my eternal wrath for their comments about America. It started with their terrorist friends, bribe-taking and racist church.

I fucking despise these people. I certainly won't pretend there's anything even remotely appealing about that fucking wookie. Allah can choke on her dick.

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