1

Letterman is a sad man who hates himself and his life. For many, humor is a defense mechanism. Problem is, if there is nothing inside to defend, you're just a crank.

2 I saw it last night. He did make the comment about death squads. Letterman's an ass.

3
The real question we should be asking is why Bill O'Reilly was such a pussy with Letterman?

4 The only late night show host who consistently gets laughs out of me is Craig Ferguson.

Who, ironically enough, works for David Letterman.

5 "Letterman always had a hard-on for Johnny Carson..."

Nowadays it's reserved for Paul Shaffer. It's a Gilligan/Skipper sort of relationship, you see.

6

As I said on the earlier thread he really does seem to loathe his audience.  I guess I'm not the only one who senses that.

What the fuck do people still see in this guy?  It's like he's tying to suck and the audience still laughs.  It's just sad to watch.

7

That's both barrels, Mr. Syme, and well-deserved.

I stopped watching him before most of you morons were born. His whole schtick in the early days was to get hold of a small town newspaper, or a church bulletin, call up the editor, and ask for the details of the stories. And laugh at them.

You would not expect this comedic conceit from a guy who'd been a weatherman in Indianapolis. But the good part, if you can call it that, is that the small-town folks had his ass every.single.time. He'd hang up, and not realize that the joke was on him. Okay, it was funny the first time.

 

8 Shadows and Fog is the only WA movie I've been unlucky enough to see at the theater.  What a waste.

9 The only late night show host who consistently gets laughs out of me is Craig Ferguson.

Ferguson is very good. I also loved him kicking Bill Maher off his show for 'joking' about Michael Jackson abusing kids.

10

I also loved him kicking Bill Maher off his show for 'joking' about Michael Jackson abusing kids.

No shit?  How cool is that.

11

Norm McDonald! There's a guy with stealthy genius.

 

12

Letterman was the original "Jackass". He did and got others to do, truelly stupid things on TV.

Wore thin as soon as the novelty of the concept did.

13

I used to watch my buddy cackle hysterically at nearly everything Dave uttered, which was far more entertaining to me than whatever moronic thing was causing that reaction. But, in his defense, my buddy also liked Alf. And Duran Duran.

Frankly Craig Ferguson and Conan O'Brien are far more funny than The Dave. But then, so is Carrot Top.

Yeah, I said it.

14 Norm McDonald ate Letterman's fucking lunch.  That was perfect.

15 Letterman is a fucking dickhead. My wife finally saw what I was bitching about and she never watches anymore.

I've just about got her to realize Oprah is a racist POS, but wifey is still in the "she sometimes has good guests on" stage.

16

"Larry "Bud" Melman"
*slams my head into the desk eight or nine times*

The only thing that could have even rivaled the incredible not-funny-ness would be when he would phone up his own mother.

17 When Family Guy goofs on Letterman I always see it as Family Guy doing an impression of doing Norm MacDonald's impression of Letterman.

That's basically how good Norm Macdonald is at capturing Letterman stuck in time.

Shit, Macdonald nails the impression of Burt Reynolds with almost the same impression.

18
Want to know how much people will put up with for money?  Look at Paul Shafer.  Letterman even has to make fun of blacks, but only in the most cowardly fashion.  "Bif Henderson"?  Gee, I wonder who chose the most white bread name imaginable and stuck it on a black guy trying to make a living? 

19

"I've just about got her to realize Oprah is a racist POS, but wifey is still in the "she sometimes has good guests on" stage."

Like the Pregnant Man.  And Sarah Palin.  Oh, wait...

20 The last time I watched Letterman (must be 8-9 years ago) he was standing around with a cup of coffee in his hand, repeating 'Ah, a nice hot beverage' with various inflections, and the camera kept cutting to Paul Shaeffer looking like he was going to wet his pants from the total hilariousness of it all. I then decided that watching paint dry was actually preferable to watching David Letterman. After all, once the paint's dry I can send in the bill. I'm kinda surprised the old fogie is still on.

21 I don't even know why Letterman is still on TV.  Aren't all the unfunny left wing comics supposed to wind up in congress?

22 Craig Fergusen + Norm McDonald = Turd Fergusen

23 Good post. I used to love Letterman as a kid and early teen. I definitely felt like I was on the inside to the joke. Basically, when he stopped wearing the sneakers he stopped being funny. I gotta find that Norm MacDonald clip. Aside from the heyday of Dennis Miller, MacDonald kicked ass on Weekend Update on SNL. So much funnier than the tools getting accolades now.

24

I loved Letterman back in the early 1980s, when I was 12-14. Guess what happened? I grew up. Dave didn't.

The end came when Davy didn't get Carson's slot. Then the humor turned into pain.

I suppose I would watch again if a gang of hobos barged onto the stage and proceeded to beat Letterman to death with a lead pipe. Ho ho! Komedy! Is Paul laughing?

25

He was very funny in the 80s, and did hate his audience, and was a jerk...

It fit in with the post-modernist nihilist ethos at the time.

Howard Stern, the same, he is not funny anymore, just obnoxious and bitter.

26

I used to be a casual fan of Letterman UNTIL I saw his show live. Twice.

The man is an absolute jerk to his audience. He comes out less than 2 minutes before, says, "Hi," and unless he has an audience game show, does not interact with the audience after---not even to say goodbye. And the audience bits are set up by producers; he doesn't even look the audience member in the eye or say a word to them until the camera turns on. the studio is freezing cold, you're far away from the stage, and no one bothers with you after the warm up. Schaffer's a prick, too, but at least he plays a song for you.

I contrast that with other hosts I've seen. Conan O'Brien is an absolute doll to the audience, and pals around for a good 10-15 minutes getting them riled up. He sits on people's laps, pretends to hit on women, makes fun of himself---even once he took a picture of someone ("for my personal collection"). A professional in the truest sense of the word.

Even that weaselly little bitchy coward Jon Stew-rat does a Q&A with the audience before the show, and makes cute with people. He's a performer, and he knows that he loves an audience.

Screw Letterman. He's a dick.

 

27

PaleoMedict at 13, ALF fucking ruled.

Do not besmirch Gordon Shumway with comparisons to Dave "Little Dick" Letterman.

28 Obviously I have not spent (wasted) as much time on Letterman as you have but I do remember way back when I thought he was funny.  Either when he subbed for Carson or had some show of his own before the choice was made between him and Leno.  After Leno got the job (which I thought was a mistake), and Letterman got his show, I tried to watch but found him particularly unfunny.  I thought he was just exhibiting his own style which I didn't care for but now I think he was ticked and turned mean.  I miss Carson.  I'm too old to even be in this conversation.

29
If Ace is correct, shouldn't it be equally devasting for Jon Stewart when a comic does an impression of him?

Stewart's comedy, or shtick, is just as thin as Letterman's. It's a funny face, or a rolling of the eyes. Sometimes Stewart repeats moonbat talking points after a 5-second video of a Republican, and that passes as funny to his audience.

If a comic parodied Stewart, people would do what Ace did: ask themselves what the fuck am I laughing at, this shit?

30 With enough weed, Letterman is still funny; enough being measured in bales.

31 I remember watching Letterman with my older cousin who loved the guy.  I would really try to laugh along with the moronic BS, but i'd eventually fall asleep or go play Mario Bros.

32 The only good moment in Letterman show history was when Drew Barrymore flashed her hooters.

It would have been a great moment if she had been facing the camera.

33 Years ago, Letterman feigned the gentleman role, pre-pregnancy and child rearing. But Letterman was never funny. Letterman has NEVER been able to actually take a joke at his own expense. Whereas, Leno does all the time with good humor. Leno got the Carson spot because, though a bit more coarse at the time, Leno IS funny with his JayWalking and Headlines gently prodding Americans to not be so smuggly stuck on stupid airhead.

But politically don't kid yourself. Later on as things heated up, Leno brown nosed Obama's campaign as much as anyone. Lately, he wouldn't let go of the post Bush presidency "What GWB did today" look-alike fool routine, either.

Why the political free speech on NBC late night?  Leno got the network ax. Hence, Leno is free to practice equal opportunity satire. THERE IS A MARKET FOR ANTI-OBAMA JOKES. And on automobiles, you'd be hard pressed to find another media personalitiy who knows more than Leno to jab Obama's Socialist efforts to nationalize the auto industry as things roll down hill.

Congratulations, Jay. I'll see what you're up to when the time switch hits your show. (This month?)

34

Letterman's entire schtick is to make fun of other people.  This can be funny when you spend equal time making fun of yourself.  Eventually, though, "I have a stalker!" and "I get lots of tickets!" wears out, and Letterman had pretty much nothing else to use in his shows as self-deprecation.  Once you stop making fun of yourself in equal measure, all you are doing is making fun of other people, and then it is only a matter of time before people forget your old stuff when you used to make fun of yourself.  Once that happens, you are nothing more than an irredeemable idiot asshole.

That said, "Stupid Human Tricks" was usually pretty freakin' awesome.  And without David Letterman, I would have never heard of Kongar-ol Ondar.

_{^{Go on, Google it.  I'll still be here for you to tell me how awesome it is when you get back.}}

35 Agree with the general conclusions (Dave is no longer funny) but i gotta disagree with the logic. I think the early skits *were* funny. Larry "Bud", the street interviews, the throwing stuff off the building, etc. It was all funny because Dave was funny. He built up a tension, didn't take himself seriously, and had good comedic timing.

Even after his move to NY he was funny and irreverent, but then something happened. I think he start to really become bitter at CBS for being such a lame network and the poor CBS lineup was killing his ratings. I can imagine him sitting there watching the Leno show and thinking "I'm better than that buffoon" but alas Dave was "#3" even as Jay stole his best material.

Dave continued to slide, continued to lose the best guests, and continued to become bitter.

Funny and bitter do not mix.

Then, after Hillary got elected, he started to settle into the NY social scene and that is when we started to get that painful mix of bitterness, liberalism, cheap shots at Bush, and stale comedy.

Like Springsteen, my standard response when someone brings up Letterman is "Is he still alive? I thought he died years ago."

36 Nowadays it's reserved for Paul Shaffer. It's a Gilligan/Skipper sort of relationship, you see.

Thank you for dredging up an old memory from the dim recesses for me.

My late, sainted Christian grandmother, who I was living with at the time, came toddling in to the living room, looked at Conan O'Brien and Andy Richter on the TV one night, and said "What is this, some boyfriend/girlfriend kind of thing?" Thanks for that image, Granny.

Letterman toned it all down when he went to CBS.  It got worse when he had his bastard child, then the jerk got on his soapbox like he had to 'save the world' for his kid or something.

Frankly, he's just been becoming more and more bitter over the years, and just doing the same schtick over the top of it.

37 I've never been a Letterman fan. He always struck me as being the kind of comic who is angry and unfunny in private, and sometimes this bitterness crops up in his stage persona. Jerry Seinfeld is another of these (as is Michael Richardson). I don't trust comics who aren't funny when not "in character".

This doesn't mean, of course, that one has to be a clown all the time. But in truly funny people the humor is unforced and natural; it just bubbles up.

Bill Murray is a truly funny guy, on screen and off, and he can use his humor as a scalpel as well as a whoopiee-cushion. (I forgave him for The Razor's Edge because I presume he was high as a kite when he signed the contract to star in that piece of crap.) I've seen ostensibly-serious interviews where he has his interviewer either laughing hysterically or so confused they don't know whether to shit or go blind.

Tim Conway and Harvey Korman are two other masters. With them, it was smart writing; but it was also timing, nuance, and the wonderful interaction between the two men. And they were just as smart and funny off-camera as they were on.

38 >>>>Stewart's comedy, or shtick, is just as thin as Letterman's.

Stewart's schtick IS Letterman's. It's the exact same act.

Okay, Stewart added the cutesy-poo mugging.

39

Now, the thing of it was, we, the loyal Letterman audience, thought we were in on the joke. \

Another problem is that the Old Dave that we loved basically changed TV. Everyone copied his "I don't really take this seriously" approach. All the ESPN guys do. They'd kill thier grandma for the right to describe a Home Run clip on TV, but they'll act like they're above all this.

Every talk show host now acts like they're too cool to take any of this TV stuff too seriously. They all copied Letterman's approach, to a degree.

Then, like Ace said, there's the part about him just not being funny.

And I'm a guy who goes back to the Letterman Morning Show.

 

 

40

I love how Letterman took shots at Rush for being "tubby" and "sending his maid to buy illegal drugs."

I wish O'Reilly had said, "Oh, yeah? Ok, why don't we talk about that drinking problem you had ... and the time you smoked pot and thought your heart had stopped ... and your divorce ... and your out of wedlock kid, smartass?"

Fuck Letterman sideways with a nail spiked 2x4.

41 I am 27 and I don't believe you... no, he could NEVER have been funny.

42 I used to like Letterman about ten years ago. Haven't watched him since and don't plan on it any time soon. Who wants to stay up that late to get lectured by a blowhard? Liberal or not its just tired and uncomfortable. Now I agree with Monty, Tim Conway and Harvey Korman are still, in my mind, the cream of the crop.

43

I am 27 and I don't believe you... no, he could NEVER have been funny.

Things change.  Alot.

44 Work near the Ed Sullivan theater and just stepped outside to get a quick snack. There's some nice kid giving away tickets for tomorrow's show.

Back in the late 80's, you had to wait months for Letterman tickets. You had people plan visits to NYC around when they scored their tickets. Now, well, just walk right in, grab a seat and try not to wake the hobo sleeping next to you ...

45 Letterman used to drop stuff off buildings, that was about as funny as it got. But, we only had about four channels back then and our options were pretty limited.

I accidentally caught this last night while channel surfing, Letterman made himself out  to be a bitter and uninformed fool.

46 Letterman is also responsible for signing Jon Stewart after the original Jon Stewart show was canceled.  Out of some paranoid fear of competition, Letterman then kept Stewart buried and off TV for years -- until the Daily Show, ensuring Stewart went from "hilarious self-depreciating funny man" to "bitter self-loathing amusing man."

47 I dream of having Barney Frank's wet, sloppy mouth pressed right up against mine.

He's the father figure I never had.

48

Letterman was funny for about five munutes, but i stopped watching decades ago when I realized I just could not tolerate the peurile nature of the "comedy".

And I can't even see John Stewart without wanting to punch him in the throat.

49 Re Leno and Carson, The NYT Magazine did a piece after Leno got picked to replace Carson. Briefly, NBC screwed Dave because they figured the Tonight Show was a winner no matter who was the host, but only Dave could keep an audience up that extra hour. They got greedy and wanted both. Carson and Dave were friends and Carson actually advised Dave to find another network since the iconic name "Tonight Show" wasn't worth eating shit from NBC.

And Leno was a self important scum that hid in the bathroom of the network heads office so he could listen in on a conference call and get an advantage over Dave during the negotiation. Leno was not funny, not a good interviewer, and not a competent replacement for Carson, but he has improved a lot over the years.

50 And I'm a guy who goes back to the Letterman Morning Show.

I remember it as well.

Dave wasn't funny when he came on the scene in the early 80s, but his style actually changed comedy to fit it. As people 'got' him, that light oddness became accepted and copied. Now Letterman's Fat Elvis, way past his prime, was once good, but just ain't got it anymore.

51 10 years?

Letterman was funny when I was in HIGH SCHOOL.

Try over 20 years.

52 Watch this bit from Conway and Korman and tell me these two guys aren't the absolute Emperors of the land of Comedy. (I remember the first time I saw this, I laughed so hard my stomach hurt for hours afterward.)

53 @35 jcp

Funny and bitter do not mix.

That reminds me, anybody know what Garrison Kiellor has been doing lately?

54

I always left Letterman on when the show started after the local news. I dunno, I kind of found the stupidity of random people yelling "meat" or things like that worth a chuckle. Then, the over-the-top Bush bashing started. The hysterical attacks on O'Reilly, et al, for attcking "poor, defenseless" Cindy Sheehan. Etc, etc. Now I change the channel as soon as I hear the theme music....

 

Family Guy is heading down the same path. The recent "Fox News" epsisode, as well as a few older ones (the "alternate universe" show where Gore is President and everything about the USA is simply wonderful) make me hesistate to watch.

 

55 Hey Ergy  --  Letterman hates you.  But keep laughing at him hating you like a good little sheep.

56
According to eggmcmuffin up there, if you hate so-called honor-killings practiced by muslim barbarians, you hate culture.

If you hate the illegal aliens stealing your identity and driving DUI and killing Americans on the road, you hate culture.

57

Letterman once had a daytime talk show that was quite funny, believe it or not.  But once he got his late night gig (and helped kill SCTV, thanks jerk) I never found him funny.  He seemed lame, obvious, his whole bit "I'm too cool to tell funny jokes" schtick got tiresome. 

Haven't seen him in years and don't miss him.

58 erg ... email me and we'll get together and have a naked lace whig party,

Bring whipped cream.

59 Somewhere between the move to CBS and giving Hillery the carpet bag as a 'welcome to New York', Letterman lost it..

I'm not the biggest fan of W. but Letterman's constant bashing of W. wore thin fast.

60 Sorry Jo-Bob  --  he hate you too. Sucker.

61

"Okay, Stewart added the cutesy-poo mugging."

Stewart : cutesy-poo mugging :: Letterman : checking his teeth for spinach in the monitor

It's making a face to try and score an uncomfortable giggle from some ninny in the audience, which will in turn make more people laugh.  But they aren't laughing at your face.  They're laughing at the ninny.

62
According to eggmcmuffin, Jim Webb who writes about turning little ergatularius' upside-down and putting their pee-pees in his mouth is an artist contributing to our culture.

But Lynn Cheney is a deranged hypocrite who adds nothing but hate to 'culture' with her books.

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64 Jo-Bob..

read the comments here sometime...    you can get more laughs than a DVD box set of Letterman's best moments. 

65 Letterman is purely and simply a left wing shill. Conservatives may have talk radio but the left has television talk shows.

66 Yeah, Jo-bob ConcernTroll.  Never any funny around here.

67 I got tired of Letterman talking over his guests. I preferred Johnny Carson's more neutral style of interviewing where he would just ask a question and get out of the way, and let the guest just be himself or herself. But Letterman always seemed to me like he was just using his guest as a foil to focus attention back on himself. So I gave up on Letterman, what, 20 years ago.

68 But as he aged and became more bitter and less funny

Ah, that explains why he finally got married: he's given up, and his life is now fully over.

69

Letterman was once funny?

I demand proof.

70 We may be overthinking this a bit.

Letterman's just a prick. He always was but didn't know enough about the world to take things too seriously and he knew it. He had to accept early-stage humility because he was a goofball smartass. He understood his ignorance. Later, he evolved and thought he did know everything about the world - being the metropolitan star he was and after years of hanging around the "smart" people - and his prickitude took over.

He retains the general contempt of people he thinks his lessers, which is just about everyone except the team that cracked his chest.

And Norm MacDonald has a humor that is underappreciated. It took me a while to catch on to him, but that guy has good, subtle material even though it's not the rapid-fire Dennis Miller style.

71

How did Dave get SCTV off the air?

I thought SCTV sort of imploded on it's own with people leaving, shit like that.

Anyway, this show was the shit back in the day.

http://tinyurl.com/apeuu7

72 "And so now we see an old, unfunny, cranky old man, who attacks Limbaugh, etc., for stating their political opinions and for being "too smart to believe the crap they say," even as he turns his non-comedy show into a nightly hour-long advertisement for the Obama Administration"

Well, now at least I know where my loony-lib brother got the line that he knows I must be "too smart to believe the crap" I say.

73

I remember one show where he had the camera follow him all the way off the set, down the hall, into the elevator, through the lobby, out onto the sidewalk    --  where he proceeded to run like hell for what seemed like four or five blocks. It was bizarre and truly hilarious.  I mean he was running like hell.

I think he did care once.  Back in the sneakers days.

74 Dave who?

75 I watched pretty much every episode of the morning show, too.

I had seen him guest-hosting on carson and thought he was the funniest guy in the world. I didn't really like carson, but I thought Letterman was a riot.

The morning show, however, was kind of lame. It was another case of wanting it to be funny, rather than it actually being all that funny.

Still, it was a sort of debut of the Letterman act, and a lot of his writers would continue on Late Night.

Someone said "Letterman was funny at one time." I agree. My point is that he's always mixed funny stuff with "punish the audience' stuff, which is supposed to be funny because it's NOT funny.

But that gets old. And he's come to do that more and more and more.

76 I used to occasionally watch Letterman back in the early 90's.  The top ten lists were occasionally kinduv funny, but I grew tired of the fact that his entire act was just him being a mean-spirited jerk.

77 To be honest though, it ain't just letterman.  Lots of stuff I found funny when I was a kid seems kind of silly to me know.  Monty Python is a big example.  Day was when I could laugh at almost all of it, but I watch them now, and about 90% of it is just stupid.  Of course about 10% is still pure genius.

78

I remember it as well. Dave wasn't funny when he came on the scene in the early 80s, but his style actually changed comedy to fit it.

It really did change TV comedy. I don't know if he was funny or not, but I was young and enjoyed whatever the hell he was doing. Plus, the bits were just stupid funny.

But it's hard to come off as "oddball" when you're making $44 million and don't really care anymore.

79

And I can't even see John Stewart without wanting to punch him in the throat.

I'd pay to see that. I wonder what kind of face he'd make after a shot in the Adam's apple? Is the audience laughing? LAUGH, DAMNIT, LAUGH!

80 Television is bad.  Has been for a long time.

Letterman is bad television.

81

Monty - thank you for that.  I recognize the people, but do not remember that skit.

Any skit where you "lose" the other people, and they can no longer fight their own urge to laugh, is golden.  It's like a threadwinner.  You've won the sketch!

82

One really short skit of Letterman's still cracks me up whenever I think about it.

It had some fans being given a tour of the NBC building and they came to a intersecting hallway where they stop about 10 feet from the intersection and there was a sign that said 'Stand here to see David Letterman' and about 3 seconds later everyone is waiting and you see Letterman for about a 1/2 second as he runs top speed through the intersection.

 

83

'Stand here to see David Letterman' and about 3 seconds later everyone is waiting and you see Letterman for about a 1/2 second as he runs top speed through the intersection.

I remember laughing my ass off at that, too. Why was that so damned funny?

84

He's not that bright and he doesn't have the writers he use to have. 

Let's face it, NBC, I hate to admit it, made the right decision with Leno and bagging Letterman.

I think the ABC guy, the man show sucker, is going to milk Letterman to death.

I am a sleep at 10, so I only watch this shit if I wake up from an early valu rite buzz.

Kemp

 

85

The morning show, however, was kind of lame. It was another case of wanting it to be funny, rather than it actually being all that funny.

It was different. And, unlike the evening show, most of the guests were fake. The "Animal Psychic" or whomever, was an actor.

It was surely different. At the close of the last show, people stood on stage with sparklers saying good-bye. And confetti came down. And caught fire. Made the news.

86 "Late Night with David Letterman: The Book" had some pretty funny bits in it. Ike's Heavy Chevy, Mars Needs a Shave and a Hot Meal... rich inside-joke fodder for high school kids.

87 And I was forcing myself to laugh because I wanted it to be funny. I caught myself doing that at one of Woody Allen's sad later "comedies" -- Shadows and Fog, I think -- and realized there, too, that if I had to force laughs to show support, maybe I shouldn't be supporting Woody Allen anymore.

The same is true of Jon Stewart.  In particular, the audience applauds in lieu of laughing.  It isn't funny, but they know it's supposed to be.

88

My point is that he's always mixed funny stuff with "punish the audience' stuff, which is supposed to be funny because it's NOT funny.  But that gets old.

Probably safe to say Andy Kaufman would not have aged well?

89

I am a sleep at 10, so I only watch this shit if I wake up from an early valu rite buzz.

You're not doing it right, Kemp. No one should wake up early from a valu rite buzz. I always wake up twelve hours later covered in dried vomit.

90 naked lace whig party

Now THAT'S teh funny...

91

The bits I can still remember involved Chris Elliot. "The Man Under the Stairs."

"The Panicky Guy." "Marlon Brando" and the banana dance.

92
Well, in that case it's a sign of approval rather than an acknowledgment of something being funny.

Or you could look at Stewart's audience's applause as their way of recognizing Stewart's satirical comedy and astute social commentary.

93 I used to love Woody Allan's movies until I saw "Stardust Memories".

Wow. Imagine paying to see a "comedy" that is nothing but 90 minutes of the star pissing on the heads of his audience for liking his movies. A pure unadulterated hatefilled gob of spit in the face of the audience.

After that, I might watch on cable or rent a video if one of his movies got a truly great review. After being bored one too many times, I just gave up totally.

It was obvious Letterman always hated people and his audience and his guests.

Too much of the Miles Davis (jazz guy) "my audience blows" thang going on. There was a guy who truly could burn the house down with a beautiful solo. Maybe once per show. The rest of the time he turned his back on the audience or blew a ten second toodle or wandered off stage. Hey, the audience were only the people who paid his bills and made his lifestyle possible. They certainly sucked for that.

Entertainers can be strange critters.

94 That reminds me, anybody know what Garrison Kiellor has been doing lately?

Oh, God, don't remind me of that guy. We have a local radio personality (Joe Soucheray) who simply refers to him as "The Oaf", and this is very apropos. A bigger asshole you will never meet. He's got this downhome shtick he's honed over the years that appeals mainly to wealthy Boomers who pine after a (largely imaginary) "Small Town". Offstage, he's a petty tyrant, a bad boss, and a lousy co-worker. An Oaf, in other words.

95 92
Well, in that case it's a sign of approval rather than an acknowledgment of something being funny.

Or you could look at Stewart's audience's applause as their way of recognizing Stewart's satirical comedy and astute social commentary.

Posted by: Darling, just an entertainer at April 01, 2009 03:35 PM (9xxhL)

Good point, although I'd suggest that it's fruit of the same poisoned tree.

96 89

I am a sleep at 10, so I only watch this shit if I wake up from an early valu rite buzz.

You're not doing it right, Kemp. No one should wake up early from a valu rite buzz. I always wake up twelve hours later covered in dried vomit.

Did I mention I take a nap about RIGHT now, aka 4:00, so a good six hours will lose my lunch buzz and allow me to stay up for a couple of hours to recover my night buzz?  This is the window for watching TV or blogging on AoSHQ.

Mostly making dumb comments here, TV sucks, except I might watch the weather channel or the military channel or the food channel.  It DOESN'T mean your a bad person.

Kemp

 

97
True. But I liked how I put it more better.

98 I thought and still do think that at the time of the Carson-Leno transition that Letterman was superior to Leno and Leno got in on the basis of internal politics.  But Ace is right about Letterman phoning it in for years now.  Whereas Leno at least has kept working at it.

99

"Probably safe to say Andy Kaufman would not have aged well?"

Like a forgotten gallon of milk left in a hot car after a run to the grocery store.

100 Leno's headlines always make me laugh.... at least the handful of times I've actually seen the bit.

101 The only Woody Allen movie I ever liked was Crimes & Misdemeanors.

102 The man is an absolute jerk to his audience.

How long before Dave stands outside his studio screaming "you punks get off my sidewalk"

103

Probably safe to say Andy Kaufman would not have aged well?

The funniest thing he ever did was die. Oh my sides!

104 I lost interest in the late night shows by the mid 90s when I was in high school and then college but I remember thinking after Letterman's move to CBS that, "whoa, this really isn't that funny". It sure seemed a lot funnier when he was on NBC and it was taboo for me to stay up late and watch it. About all I can stand of Leno is the monologues and headlines and I might watch that once every 6 months if the tv is on at the time. Leno just comes off as a classy guy in general compared to Letterman.

I don't get Letterman though. You'd think he'd wake the hell up after that crazy woman in New Mexico got a restraining order against him for "sending subliminal messages thru the tv" harming her. IIRC, the judge basically said, "hey, she filled out the paperwork correctly, restraining order granted!". That helped make me more of a cynic and fearful of government "help".

105 >>>To be honest though, it ain't just letterman. Lots of stuff I found funny when I was a kid seems kind of silly to me know. Monty Python is a big example. Day was when I could laugh at almost all of it, but I watch them now, and about 90% of it is just stupid. Of course about 10% is still pure genius.

This is a sad thing. Comedy doesn't age well. Try watching old SNLs and you find yourself wondering what the hell was so funny.

But that's a weird thing about comedy. It really WAS funny... at the time. But for some reason it's just not very funny later.

I mean... God, does anyone remember how funny Kinnison was? or Diceman?

But now... I mean, jeeze. Looking back, what the hell was funny?

106 btw, that's not to say kinnison or dice weren't funny. they were.

Seinfeld too. Hottest comic in the 90s (in history?), but now looking back... what's the deal with observational comedy.

They're just examples of the screamingly funny becoming just sort of odd as time moves on.

All these guys have to be evaluated as they were in the moment.

107 That Newsbusters excerpt is revealing. When Letterman mocks O'Reilly about believing the stuff he says and calling it showmanship as opposed to substance, Lefty Letterman is doing that projection thing the Right knows the left is notorious for. Make the charge against a political adversary because you think that's what the opposition does. It's a Lefty smear and a political defense mechanism.

Letterman yet again reinforces what we know to be true.

108 Funniest show on TV:

Redeye

rolling on floor funny!

http://activitypit.ning.com/group/gregaloguecabinrepublicans

the goddess, patty ann brown:

http://www.blackfive.net/main/2009/01/patty-ann-brown.html

rep mccotter:

http://activitypit.ning.com/video/poor-greg

btw, Office has jumped the shark

109 Some comedy ages well.  The movie Airplane may be dumb, but this dialog will always and forever be hilarious:

Dr. Rumack:  Captain, how soon can you land?
Captain Oveur:  I can't tell.
Dr. Rumack:  You can tell me, I'm a doctor.
Captain Oveur:  No, I mean I'm just not sure.
Dr. Rumack:  Well, can't you take a guess?
Captain Oveur:  Well, not for another two hours.
Dr. Rumack:  You can't take a guess for another two hours?

110

Letterman is a typical Leftwingnut who thinks he is funny and that those who wear adult diapers agree with him.  He may have been funny in my grandfather's era but he lacks the wit of Michael Moore, the delivery of RoseAnn Barr, and the intelligence of Bill Maher.

 

He is about as funny as Sean Penn doing his Hugo Chavez imitation.

111 what's the deal with observational comedy.

You meant to do that, right?

112 Kinison's first act I can remember on SNL concerning losers working at donut shops was priceless.  "My kids hate me, my wife hates me, I smell like a jelly donut.  I'm not what Daddy wanted, I'm not what Daddy wanted!! Auuuhhh, auuuuhhh!!! [kaboom]"  Needless to say, I managed to lose my only VHS copy of it.

As for Letterman, most of what I now recall being funny really wasn't Dave per se.  It was his sidekicks.  Larry "Toast on a Stick" Melman asking Grand Central Station customers if they'd like a hot towel, the foul-mouthed librarian, Chris Elliot's "Mr. Conspiracy", the list goes on.

[velcro-covered man trampolines into a wall full of velcro]

113
Dice was funny because he was original. He heckled his own audience and that made him great.

And this is still funny: "The other day I got pulled over by a cop. The cop asked me, "Are you drunk?" I said, "Yeah. And I'm a little horny too. Blow me."

Woooooooooaaaaaaaa!

114

Airplane and Monty Python have stood the test of time for me.

SNL? Not so much. When I look back all the "classic" sketches from the first couple of seasons I think everyone must have been laughing becasue they were stoned.

Cheeburger cheeburger cheeburger?

C'mon.

115
After 69 years, this is still funny.

Click it. It's only 24 seconds long. You're welcome.

116 You want to know who's still funny? Sid Caesar. 60 frakkin year old and the skits are still laugh-out-loud hilarious.

117

While I've not watched late night TV in years, you can't say that Leno was NEVER funny.  Way back in '80 or '81, we had this TV service called "Channel Z", a single channel deal that some apartment complexes here in Houston had (regular cable came along not long after this), and it Showtime on it.  One night they had this comedy special on called "The Big Laff-Off", a sort of comedy competition.  Jay Leno was on it, and won it, too.  He was hilarious. 

Of course, here we are 25-odd years later and now he's a big-time talk show host, successor to the late great Carson (who was a lib, but kept the politics off his show for the most part) and all that.  Meh.

Letterman, Stewart and the rest are also-rans, who are not worth a cockslap across their commielib faces.

118

"This is a sad thing. Comedy doesn't age well."

This is the way a lot of "art" goes, too.  Some stuff thrives on being new.  Think about it...90% of the stuf you find funny, is funny because it presents something in a way you've never thought about it before.  There's a story, and it is entertaining, and you have NO IDEA where it is going to end.  But, as soon as it's been said & done...then it's immediately no longer new.  Why is a joke that you've already heard before funny?  You know where it's going to end.

The things that stand the test of time and remain funny are the things that, somehow or another, are not relying on you not knowing where the end is going to be.  The post from Monty with the dentist.  Absolutely hilarious at first, especially if visual humor is your thing.  You can keep watching it, and it might not be AS FUNNY anymore, but it is still very very funny, because now that you know what to expect, you can start to analyze and watch the details of what is going on.  There is so much funny in it, you don't get it all on the first pass, and there is more in there to absorb on subsequent viewings.

Same for Airplane.  First time we saw the whole "I've got a drinking problem" shtick, it was HILARIOUS, mostly because it was unexpected, and secondly because it is just dang funny to some people to watch a man splash himself in the forehead with a full glass of water.  It stays funny after the first viewing, because you get to watch the reactions of other actors, etc...  Other stuff..eh...no so funny.  A big inflatable pilot doll named Otto was funny the first time.  But there ain't much there.  Once the joke is done, it's done.  And after enough viewings, it turns stupid because you know what to expect, and you really want to move on to something more visually interesting, like a Control Tower technician pulling the plug on the entire expanse of runway lights...

Holy crap, we just got deep.  I'm going home.

119 No comedian can be funny once they realize they're 'important.' Just can't happen. I watched Python's "Meaning of Life" recently, and while Michael Palin exploding is still fun, you could see that the guys, late in their Python career, were taking their stuff a bit too seriously.

120

I saw the clip of him and O'Reilly where he says O'Reilly is "full of bullshit", and O'Reilly asks him for an example... and then when Letterman mumbles, he asks if Letterman has ever seen or heard his show, and Letterman says "Hell no!".

I wrote a letter to Letterman's network (I honestly don't know for sure which it is anymore) and said that while I always thought O'Reilly was a blowhard, Letterman had just proven himself a bigger one.

Also heard a gameshow host on NPR talk about O'Reilly "threatening" a caller who had clearly just made a very serious threat against O'Reilly - one that was not heard because of the 7-second delay.  The NPR guy pretended that O'Reilly just threatened the guy witha visit from Fox Security because he diagreed with him, when as a radio personality himself, he had to know what had really happened.  I wrote NPR that their guy had certainly exposed a popular radio personality as a lying jerk - himself!

121 Watch this bit from Conway and Korman and tell me these two guys aren't the absolute Emperors of the land of Comedy. (I remember the first time I saw this, I laughed so hard my stomach hurt for hours afterward.)

I'm sorry but only Conway should be sole emperor. He did all the work and Korman was not even be the straight man in the joke. In all their skits he just sat there trying not to laugh at Conway's antics and failing.

122

I dropped a couple of OT comments in a thread last night as I was watching it. Letterman is nowhere near my regular watch list, but scrolling through the channel guide, I saw that O'Reilly was going to be on and couldn't resist.

Yes. He's a total dick. And, he's not even smart enough to grasp the irony in his reason for disliking Chavez: "nationalizing newspapers and banks".

Yes. He said that.

As for Norm MacDonald: I've had a crush on him for about 15 years. I think he's terrific and often overlooked for his way of making a point by way of making a fool of himself.

Anybody see the roast of Bob Saget?

123 You KNOW what else didnt age well.  DISCO dancing. Remember how cool Travolta was.  Now any uncordinated JERK can do those dance moves.

124

Anybody see the roast of Bob Saget?

Unfortunately a lot of people didn't get it.  It was genius.

125

For those commenting about Tim Conway...

Red Eye had one of the cast from 30 Rock on the show a couple of days ago and they asked him who had been his favorite guest star: Tim Conway was his answer,  then he followed up with how it just blew his mind "that nobody is using this guy!"

126

polyspurwing...

Yep. I had that feeling too. It was as if only Saget himself really got it.

Many years ago I saw Norm on Letterman (I think it was Letterman) and it was during the huge controversy re the taxpayer dime being directed to immoral and tasteless 'art'. There had been a huge ruckus about a particular artist who painted images of Jesus and then pissed on them and called it art. Norm was having none of it and in funny although very plain terms layed out the fact that some bastard was pissing on our Lord and Saviour.

I've had a crush on him since.

127 "Anybody see the roast of Bob Saget?"

Yes, and it was brilliant. If I recall, some in his audience of professional "funny" people didn't seem to get MacDonald's joke. I'd imagine some of 'em had to ask their neighbor what just happened.

And Conway? He was the reason to watch Carol Burnette's show. Korman was an ideal foil, but Conway was the on-stage master.

128 That is spot on analysis...

129

Letterman has NEVER been able to actually take a joke at his own expense.

I remember once the production staff surprised him with a photo put up onscreen of him from his weather man days, he looked about 50 pounds overweight then, and he was not pleased at all. I figured that's why he was so rough on fat people because he used to be one and probably lived (lives?) in fear of putting the weight back on.

130 Letterman?????  Who's he?

131
Doesn't it makes ya wonder what other mindless crap you're wasting your life on watching TV.

132 "Now, the thing of it was, we, the loyal Letterman audience, thought we were in on the joke. We laughed along with Dave as he wasted our time, because we were digging that he was also wasting the network's time. All those "found comedy" moments that yielded nothing but awkward silence and stilted interaction with deli owners.

See, the thing was, Letterman actually thought the deli owners were funny...

133

Hey, you're all piling on Letterman a little. Beware of groupthink, huh?

Dave was funny for a long, long time. September 11 and George Bush changed him a little, he became more cranky, more partisan. I think when Dave started to lose me was another OReilly visit, when Dave spoke up for Cindy Sheehan. It was then that I knew Dave had given up thinking things thru and was just going for 'edgy'. He probably looked around and saw Bill Maher and that cocksucker whatsisname from the Daily Show, and saw that this was The New Way.

But we'll always have "Dropping Stuff" and Larry "Bud" Melman handing out hot towels at Port Authority.

134

Has anyone been to You Tube, other than through the links above?

Is it just me, or are all the vids and comments upside down and backwards?

135 I cannot remember much clearly from 1984, but I do remember that Letterman was funny back then; how much longer he was funny, I do not recall. He was so funny that I took a selection of his shows on audiotape when I spent a semester in Paris...sounds weird in 2009, but this was pre-cheap long distance, pre-video banality, pre-Internet, pre-lots of things...

136 I had tears in my eyes laughing at that Conway bit.

One of the funniest scenes ever on tv was the "Chuckles Bites the Dust" episode of the Mary Tyler Moore show.

"A little song, a little dance, a little seltzer down the pants"

137 I thought Letterman was dead.  Was he on CBS? I dont watch CBS.

138 The larger question is, can anyone be funny for more than a relatively brief interval?

139 I used to like Letterman as well. Then I grew up.

140 Letterwoman is as relevant as Olberdouche, just another fucking angry liberal spewing his venom for any idiot to hear. Carson was cooler then cool and didn;t wear his politics for all to see on his ass. So far no one has come close to the class of carson.

141 @134: just checked.

It's just you.

142

Has anyone been to You Tube, other than through the links above?

Yes. I watched Norm's appearance on Letterman. It's a stitch how Norm can talk circles around a guy while still coming across as a one-dimensional dullard.

Is it just me, or are all the vids and comments upside down and backwards?

Let's troubleshoot this problem. What might look like the antenna on top of your monitor is actually the stand.

143 So then in perhaps a decade you'll realize the foolishness of this  "pragmatic conservatism" frippery?

144 The last time I bothered with Letterman was a couple years ago when I briefly went out with a woman who was just retarded in love with him. She also had a vestigial tail and a bad habit of not bathing after pulling a double shift as a chef cook in a hotel beach bar that aspired to fill the culinary gap between a truck stop diner in Barstow and a Howard Johnson's in Puerto Rico.

145

damnit! It appears that only those vids on the main You Tube landing page are doing it. No problem really, because I was really looking for more Norm and those are playing just fine.

I watched again the Saget roast and then read the comments. People either get him or they don't and there's no in-between.

There is one comment over there thay may or may not be accurate, but might explain why Saget himself seemed to be the only other person in attendance to get what Norm was doing and, if so, makes it even funnier still:

why he chose this route?

Artie Lang (good friend of norm) almost died, he was going roast saget as well. producers didn't want it to interfere with show, norm and bob already knew and didn't want the show to go on ... so he did what he could to make it suck for comedy central as much as possible.

the jokes we're for bob, and himself - he could care less what the audience and comedy central thought.

in the end he was by far one of the funniest acts of the night

146 in a different age Letterman was funny, now he's just a stupid, bitter old coot

147 Hey - he got rich, he got old, had a heart attack, knows he's going toes up soon.  He wants a legacy.  Something he thinks he'll be admired for.  He doesn't have a clue what to do so he's doing what other 'stars' he has seen do - He's speaking up for all the little people.  But he even sucks at that.  Because he doesn't really care.  He wants to get off cheap - magnanimously giving 15 seconds of his valuable time every other month or so, bashing people whose names he doesn't deserve to pronounce.  He's a bitter, old, almost dead wreck of a person whose life, he is just realizing, hasn't meant shit.

148 Ace,
We could do some synergy here and have a top 10 in honor of the royal ipod and letterman threads... of course there's not a damn thing funny about obama

Top 10 Worse Gifts That Obama Could have Given the Queen

Singing Fish to mount on wall at Buckingham Palace
Book of British Smiles
Plastic Marine One Helicopter Playset from WH Gift Shop
....

149

#108 Assman "btw, Office has jumped the shark"

--I concluded the same thing, earlier this season, largely on the basis of drawing out/recycling jokes ("That's what he said" was hilarious the first time, in "Gay Witch Hunt," less so --and forced-- the second time in the stress relief episode), and lack of continuity/logic (how many times have Andy and Dwight been at each other's throats one episode, only to see Andy utterly, gullibly trusting Dwight the next?).

I wish I could say it has jumped the shark for good, but then a gem pops up that teases me and makes me not want to miss anything --the Moroccan Christmas and Business Trip episodes, for example, are as funny as any others, ever.  That is what has been so maddening.

Just take the last two episodes.  Two episodes ago it was pretty good: Stringer Bell from The Wire shows up as the new boss and creates good chemistry (I personally like it when a character like Darryl or Stanley or Jan at the beginning or Ryan last season stands up to Michael's stupidity --that friction makes for great comedy since someone is playing a great comic foil).  Last week, it was back to the same drudgery.  Every week, it's a toss-up.  better than complete failure, but not the sure bet it was previously (although last season's instances of "mean Michael" were pretty unfunny as well).

*SIGH*

150 Greatness in comedy relies on talented writers and the the times and.. the audience. Consider: Sid Caesar had 12 writers, any one of whom( say Woody Allen) had more talent than the average 1000 stand ups today. The times: hard to find something funny in the endless misery of today since everybody believes it is endless, especially when liberalism frowns at laughing at anything that isn't George Bush. The audience: Who are they? The viewers of today's TV: A vapid desert of shit and more shit. In fact, say shit or fuck.. that will get a laugh. An audience with no values.Can't be witty or just funny?  No talent? Say fuck one trillion times, instead.That'll cover it. Letterman is not funny.. to me, even without the magic word. He is not intelligent. Never was. Leno is also pathetic. He is too rich. Carson was the last great genius.( I remember him when he was poor.) Sorry to say. I wish it weren't true.

151 turtle @148

Top 10 Worse Gifts That Obama Could have Given the Queen

A teacup recovered from HMS Hood.
A photcopy of Neville Chamberlain's autograph from Adolph Hitler.

152 Top 10 Worse Gifts That Obama Could have Given the Queen

A Charles and Diana commemorative plate.

153 Letterman's a cocksucker.   He was never funny, even in his heyday.  He was always Alfred E, Newman with a Messiah complex and a mean streak.  It's like the clown-nose off/on thing with John Stewart Leibowitz.  You can't be both.  Plus, I think Letterman's either congenitally stupid, or is so used to people kissing his ass that he forgets he's a tool

154 148 Ace,
We could do some synergy here and have a top 10 in honor of the royal ipod and letterman threads... of course there's not a damn thing funny about obama

Top 10 Worse Gifts That Obama Could have Given the Queen

Singing Fish to mount on wall at Buckingham Palace

I don't know if you knew this but they really did have one when it was popular and it was a big hit.

I guess royal families and redneck families have more in common than just inbreeding.

155 144 The last time I bothered with Letterman was a couple years ago when I briefly went out with a woman who was just retarded in love with him. She also had a vestigial tail and a bad habit of not bathing after pulling a double shift as a chef cook in a hotel beach bar that aspired to fill the culinary gap between a truck stop diner in Barstow and a Howard Johnson's in Puerto Rico.

Posted by: monkeyfan at April 01, 2009 06:12 PM (cEE8N)

Got her number?

156  货架 托盘 塑料托盘 护栏网　 隔离网

157 Monty - I used to love Joe Seucheray(cant spell it). But then I moved to Maryland, sad face.

158 Yup.
1-800-COKEHED

159 94 That reminds me, anybody know what Garrison Kiellor has been doing lately?

Oh, God, don't remind me of that guy. We have a local radio personality (Joe Soucheray) who simply refers to him as "The Oaf", and this is very apropos. A bigger asshole you will never meet. He's got this downhome shtick he's honed over the years that appeals mainly to wealthy Boomers who pine after a (largely imaginary) "Small Town". Offstage, he's a petty tyrant, a bad boss, and a lousy co-worker. An Oaf, in other words.

Posted by: Monty at April 01, 2009 03:35 PM (/0a60)

I also recall Souch reading a newspaper piece about some ridiculous feud The Oaf started with his neighbors (I don't remember the details).  What a fucking prick.  Remember that piece The Oaf wrote where he called Bush a "badly-sutured jumble of walking body parts"?  The idea that anybody who looks like The Oaf would make fun of anybody else's appearance is pretty rich.  I wish that fat fucking slob would move back to Manhattan.  We've got enough douchebags here the way it is.

160

Posted by: 海佩货架 at April 01, 2009 08:26 PM (Xf8DY)

You fucking cockholster. Your goddamn link goes to a site called Happy Racks. You would think a site called Happy Racks would have some fucking tits on it, but NOOOOOO, it's some ghey industrial shelving.  Die in a fire.  Fuckin homo.

161 Well ... this is really a trashfesting thread on David Letterman - and I agree with 99.9999 percent of it.

But I will say this in Dave's defense ... That "Monkey Cam" he pioneered in the early 80's was some reallymuthafuckinfunnyshit.

No it was ... seriously.

162 Letterman has never come to terms with the fact that he is neither good looking nor funny. He was lucky. That's all. He knows it and he hates it.

163 160

Posted by: 海佩货架 at April 01, 2009 08:26 PM (Xf8DY)

You fucking cockholster. Your goddamn link goes to a site called Happy Racks. You would think a site called Happy Racks would have some fucking tits on it, but NOOOOOO, it's some ghey industrial shelving.  Die in a fire.  Fuckin homo.

^^ Chill dood ... it's only a bot ... lace wigs is taking a night off.

164 Posted by: HondaV65 at April 01, 2009 08:50 PM (9vlDt)

I was kidding. Sort of.

165

Letterman licks Obama's shoes for months before the election. Then when Obama is elected he goes on...wait for it... LENO.

Letterman is a S-U-C-K-E-R.

Like I said before. Letterman stopped being funny about the time he swapped sneakers and chinos for a suit.

166 Two sad things:

One is conservatives who feel the need to go on these shows, like the leprechaun in general (an ego as big as the great outdoors) and also the McCain type of thing, going on The Spew, etc.  Whether you're feeding your ego or just want to be loved, there's no reason for us to lower ourselves and appear in the same frame as these idiots.

#2 is the libs themselves and you can just see what's going on:  They've got buyers' remorse bigtime.  You think Letterman is bitter now?  Just wait...

167 158 Yup.
1-800-COKEHED

Posted by: monkeyfan at April 01, 2009 08:33 PM (cEE8N)

A little Val-U-Rite will take the edge off

168 What really sucks, Honda, is that I read every f'ing comment on the thread and was so happy because I thought would be the first one to reference the MonkeyCam. It was genius because the monkey was more intelligent than the host.

169 I just finished watching the show. The entire hour, except for Marianne Faithful doing a song at the end, was with O'Reilly. Letterman accused Bremer of bringing death squads to Iraq. O'Reilly kinda sorta let him slide - hit him with Occam's Razor but didn't call the bastard out for his slander of a guy not around to defend himself.

Speaking of which, the most dispicable part of numbnuts act was his O'Reilly references before O'R came out. It was constant - easily consumed half the prep time. Probably 3/4ths. And it was just cheap shot after cheap shot. The slander of Bremer was about the only thing Letterman added. O'Reilly defended Bush for the most part. Kinda sorta. Letterman apparently thinks Bush is the devil. O'Reilly just thinks he was a poor President who did his best given that 9/11 happened on his watch. Letterman clearly thinks Bush should go on trial. This guy ain't a comedian, he's a freakin facist. He would put conservatives on trial in a heartbeat! You, me, famous, not famous. He's a loon. A loon with a big audience so a dangerous loon.

170 The only good thing about the David Letterman show anymore is the Christmas appearance every year by the great Darlene Love.  Her rendition of "Christmas (Baby, Please Come Home)" is live entertainment at its best!

171

Letterman was the man back in the day. Back in the early eighties, he was fresh, sharp and endowed with a natural gift for comedic timing. His monologues were always dicey, however, with nothing of the polish and professionalism of Johnny Carson's. You may not believe this now, but Dave openly acknowledged this and his self-deprecation on it became a built-in running gag to them.

His skits and routines used to present him as a humble Indiana boy come to the Big City which he looked at with suspicion, too. The Man from Ball State did present a sort of homespun personality as an average guy who had somehow luckily and thankfully landed upon a wholly undeserved gig that was too good to be true.

He would always castigate himself for being a poor interviewer, but in practice his guest interviews usually worked. When guests he liked came on it went very engagingly. However, with ones he disliked or those he felt were phoneys he went dark and sardonic. His best guest was Jay Leno, ironically, and Letterman went a long way into "making" him, having him on more than anybody else and getting along famously.

Guess the hurt when NBC slighted him for Carson's slot still burns for Dave. And to Leno!

Dark and sardonic Dave killed off adventurous, zany goofball Dave in quick order. He went from the guy having fun to the guy with a chip on his shoulder. Now, what, it's 25 or so years later, and Dave looks like Gollum; a figure deformed by unhealthy passions, a bitter, ugly old man.

Haven't watched in 20 years or so. It's hard to believe that age in which Letterman was ripping is so distant! Seems like yesterday. What a tragedy to see the hateful being he's become.

172

I believe Norm McDonald got let go from SNL shortly after he started doing this bit. Maybe NBC didn't want a lot of people realizing the joke was on them. I had the exact same reaction to the skit. Actually Carson started the whole "laugh at what a bad show I'm doing" thing.

173 Back when I was in college (studying Communications) in the mid-80's (that's like 25 years ago) another student did a thesis on how revolutionary the Letterman Show was. It was the first show of the talk show genre to become self-reflexive. It went beyond the talk show genre by making fun of the conventions of the genre. Apparently, all genres develop in this manner. Either the genre jumps the shark or some genius becomes self-reflexive and breaths new life into the genre. Dave Letterman was a genius 25 years ago, but what the hell else has he been doing since then?

174 Whenever I think of Letterman's lack of funny I think "Uma, Oprah" at the Oscar's. man he sucked that night!

175 151 turtle @148

Top 10 Worse Gifts That Obama Could have Given the Queen

A teacup recovered from HMS Hood.
"A photcopy of Neville Chamberlain's autograph from Adolph Hitler."

It's Adolf Hitler. We need to get the fucker's name right.

176 re: Dave's snark against O'Reilly & that he's too smart to believe the things that he says....I don't reciprocate the sentiment wrt Dave. Dave's a stupid, pompous ass who says stupid pompous ass things & votes for stupid pompous ass politicians. ahhhh...vented spleen &catharsis....

177 Also don't forget the other week Letterman started defending Obam's excessive reliance on teleprompter's.

178

Letterman was never funny.  I think I watched him once.  He's a mean spirited jerk who doesn't hide it well.  Small doses of that, mixed with a bit of self deprecation, could be funny for a short while.  There isn't enough talent in the world to make that funny for a month, much less a whole season.

If I were him, I'd quit.  He can't be a happy man, and what's the point of a life you don't enjoy?  He makes more in a year than I will in my entire life, but I wouldn't trade places with him.

179 It's sad to see Letterman turning into the cranky old man. I remember his Playboy interview when he talked about having Andy Rooney on. What a shock to find that Rooney's Cranky Old Man act really wasn't an act, and the man had nothing to say. The interview was a disaster.

It's clear Letterman doesn't want to do the show anymore, so he takes his bitterness out on his guests and the audience. I stopped watching years ago, as well. Red Eye is the late night show of choice now.

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