1 Mrs. Clinton asked “who painted it?”

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And Bill said, "I'd hit that."

2 Didn't Al Gore do something similar regarding a bust or a portrait of a famous murican?

3 bitter clingers, the lot of them

4 Ah, arrogance and ignorance, what a potent combination.

5 Hey, MSM rules: no Republican, no foul.

6 Second slap in the face to Catholics this week.  The first was Obama's incredible tone-deafness in accepting Notre Dame's also incredibly tone-deaf invite as commencement speaker.  Word is that the admin is "taken aback" at the ferocious criticism.  A more savvy pol would have known what a nuclear situation this is, and wouldn't have placed either the ND family or Catholics in general in this awful position.

7 eman, yes, he did.

fucking morons, the lot of them.

8 This can't be true she really really cant be this stupid can she? And if this is the best of what the D's had to offer we Repub's should be drawn and quartered for letting them take the WH.Sorry I am so sick and tired of all the BS and its only been a little over 60 days I don't think there is enough booze in the world to get me thru the next 4 yrs.

9 that's right- Al Gore, visiting Monticello, saw a bust of Thomas Jefferson and asked 'who's that?'

10 Hillary (sotto voce): tell me how to say "my good friend" again?

Hillary Staffer (sotto voce): Pendejo.

Hillary: Great, thanks!

11 But Hillary said she'd "be ready on day one"! Heh.

12 The tilma is fascinating, to those who don't know the story.  It's over 400 years old, and the Catholic Church has hired atheist experts to study it to help figure it out.  There are no brushstrokes, the image just seems to hover over the material.  They put a microscope over the eyes of the Virgin, and there are other images contained within, including what seems to be a "photostat" of Juan Diego.

13 Mrs. Clinton asked “who painted it?” to which Msgr. Monroy responded “God!”

It's not in the article but Monroy went on to say," You know Mrs. Clinton, the God that saw what you and you're husband did to Vince Foster and Ron Brown."

14 I work in mysterious ways.

That's just the way I roll.


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15 Hillary Clinton as Sec of state and Obama as President is like, "the special olympics"

16 It should also be added that the image of Guadalupe is that of a pregnant woman, hence her association with the pro-life cause (and further dissociation of Hillary from the spirit of it).  Supposedly there are 46 stars as well (# of chromosomes in a fertilized egg), but I forgot whjo told me that.

17 "I agree with John, this seems like it can't possibly be a true story:"

Given the collossal number of fuckups these people have already committed up to this point, that would make the two of you credulous boobs.  Still not quite as far out in the woods as Paul Mirengoff but close...

18 It's the eye-contact thing again. This arrogant harridan had a standing rule in the White House that staffers weren't allowed to make eye contact with Hillary.

There's not the slightest doubt in my mind that there was some poor State lackey following her through the hotel lobby to the car to the church with a 3x5 briefing card, but Her Wideness just couldn't be bothered.

It's like you have to have a common-sensectomy to serve in this "administration"...

Oh, and we have GOT to send her to Turin...

19 Even Hillary can't be that stupid.

Or can she?

We'll see - God I hope it's true!

20

This can't be true she really really cant be this stupid can she?

uh.......yes she is. Look who she is married too. I rest my case.

21 Is anyone else seeing the comments on this thread coming out all-italics?

22

"Clinton claimed to have been to the Basilica before...."

Sarah Palin can see Russia from her house.

We dodged a bullet, didn't we? 

(Sort of like the bullets Hillary dodged in Yugoslavia.)

23 Asking who painted the image of the Virgin Mary on Juan Diego's tilma is like asking who painted the image of Jesus on the Shroud of Turin.

It should also be mentioned that Our Lady of Guadalupe is considered the Protectress of the unborn in the Catholic church, and the next night Ms. Clinton was "honored" with  the highest award given by Planned Parenthood:

– the Margaret Sanger Award, named for the organization’s founder, a noted eugenicist. The award was presented at a gala event in Houston, Texas.

24 Best.  Administration.  Evah.

25 Hillary's girlfriend is probably so embarrassed to be dating this fat ass.

26 Hillary (sotto voce): tell me how to say "my good friend" again?

Hillary Staffer (sotto voce): Pendejo.

Hillary: Great, thanks!

Now that I can totally see happening.  

Yeah, I hope this isn't true but sadly I wouldn't be surprised if it is.  

27

"is like asking who painted the image of Jesus on the Shroud of Turin."

Yeah, but that was my uncle Morrie.  Said it was a frat prank.

28 Trying really hard get outraged by this but just not one of those things. Really, I'm your core outrage group. Looking for anything.

Yes, I know SoS, she should be on top of this.  Normal question, not a total blunder.

Could we get a little more on the Tea Parties?

29

this incident is already in the complete Wikipedia article on Our Lady of Guadalupe:

 

On Thursday March 26, 2009 during a visit to Mexico, U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton made an unexpected stop at the Basilica of Our Lady of Guadalupe and left a bouquet of white flowers “on behalf of the American people,” after asking who painted the famous image.

Mrs. Clinton was received on Thursday at 8:15 a.m. by the rector of the Basilica, Msgr. Diego Monroy. Msgr. Monroy took Mrs. Clinton to the famous image of Our Lady of Guadalupe, which had been previously lowered from its usual altar for the occasion. After observing it for a while, Mrs. Clinton asked “who painted it?” to which Msgr. Monroy responded “God!” Clinton then told Msgr. Monroy that she had previously visited the old Basilica in 1979, when the new one was still under construction. After placing a bouquet of white flowers by the image, Mrs. Clinton went to the quemador –the open air area at the Basilica where the faithful light candles- and lit a green candle. Leaving the basilica half an hour later, Mrs. Clinton told some of the Mexicans gathered outside to greet her, “you have a marvelous virgin!”

 

 

30 Hillary said the same thing to me after I deep tea bagged her for 3 hours, she asked who tainted it?

31 6.  A more savvy pol would have known what a nuclear situation this is, and wouldn't have placed either the ND family or Catholics in general in this awful position.

RE: Notre Dame, they were damned no matter what they did. Ask President for Life Hussein to speak, they are pandering to a baby killer. Don't ask and you are a racist.

And yes, Obama should have turned it down, but I doubt he'll ever refuse a chance to make a campaign speech.

32

If you get a chance, you should check out some of God's other art works, especially his "Blue Period".  Guy totally transformed the genre.

33 IRT #8, "I don't think there is enough booze in the world to get me thru the next 4 yrs."

There fer sure ain't enough alcohol and hallucinogenic drugs to get us BOTH thru the next 4 years.

Therefore, it appears that you Tee866 are SOL.  ;-)

34

Great.  Next thing you know the president will make a "Special Olympics" joke on national TV or something.

35 Has the O'Dumbo misfits and retards missed insulting anyone they've met with?

36 Clearly, neither Hillary nor Barack are/were ready for the 3am call.

37 How much did that grilled cheese sandwich that "God" cooked up a few years back go for?

38

"Normal question, not a total blunder."

Not exactly.  I mean, this is what makes the shrine a shrine.  It's the whole point of the story.  It'd be like visiting Independence Hall and asking, "So what was it that happened here again?" 

39

Maybe she would have been better prepared if she had visited at 3 A.M.?

40

Wasn't Jesus a failed artist?  Wait, I'm thinking of Hitler.  Common mistake.

41 Asking who painted the image of the Virgin Mary on Juan Diego's tilma is like asking who painted the image of Jesus on the Shroud of Turin.

As in, perfectly reasonable but perhaps impolitic?

42 If I knew a lefty blog I could stomach, i'd be mocking them ceaselessly over this shit.

43 Mrs. Clinton - Foot meet mouth.

Her & Bill deserve each other.

The day they actually ride together in a car

and meet their fate in a horrific traffic accident

will be a great day!

44 I googled "Juan Diego's tilma scientific analysis" and found a report indicating the tilma is made from hemp and contains varnish and paint.

Hemp, it says, can last centuries. Also, according to this report, testing suggests the tilma may have carried an earlier image that was covered with varnish and then replaced with the Mary image.

45

41 Asking who painted the image of the Virgin Mary on Juan Diego's tilma is like asking who painted the image of Jesus on the Shroud of Turin.

As in, perfectly reasonable but perhaps impolitic?

--Prefectly reasonable (the best answer is "nobody knows for sure," after all) for a high school student or a casual tourist.  Not someone who is supposed to have informed handlers who fill her in on the history of the place.

46 Joe Biden, our Catholic Veep, will be making a beeline there to go and straighten things out...and pray to the patron saint for logorrhea.

47

"As in, perfectly reasonable but perhaps impolitic?"

As in, a really, really stupid thing for a Secretary of State to ask her guides.

Let's see.  It showed up 500 years ago; story is, God just made it appear.  So now, super skeptical antrhopologist Hillary Clinton will get to the bottom of the mystery by asking a deep, incisive question of her guides.  Yeah, that's perfectly reasonable.

Stick to keeping the comments working, Pixie. 

48

Smartest woman in the whole world working for the smartest brutha in the whole world and they still fuck up everything they touch. 

I blame Bush.

49 Thanks to the Obamas, now there's more than one punchline to "What do you get when you cross two crokked lawyers?"

50 Hillary was well within the bounds of reason to think to herself "Who painted this?"

She was pretty fucking dense to voice it out loud. A true diplomat would have remembered to inquire about the origin later, back home, in private.

51 Not exactly.  I mean, this is what makes the shrine a shrine.

I do get it, just not the total cluster it is made out to be. 

She is the SoS and her staff should have briefed her on the importance of the shrine.

Honestly, I had no idea what the Our Lady of Guadalupe meant either.

52

Priest:"Well Mrs. Kleeton, a priest here was doing 'shrooms and....."

BTW...I bet she can name the "artist" that did "piss christ" and the Virgin Mary cover with shit?

Hint to Hitlery, Mo-hamm-ed didn't paint the fucker. She'd never make a fuck up like this in a moske'

53

#44 eman

I have read that as well before.  I have never been to Mexico City, let alone seen the tilma.  I wonder if it suffered the same fate many churches in North America have, that of the old artwork being painted over with either whitewash, or tackier modern stuff.  I personally wonder what the story is on that image for sure, but something about it got thousands of Indianss to convert peacefully.  Whatever the origins, it is one of the most famous and influential in history.

54

I am so tired of the imbeciles and dolts insulting our country, our traditions, our religion (say your name here) our constitution, and on and on and on.  If they have no respect for us and what we are, then I have no respect for any of them.  Since they want to play this game, I will increase my activities they find unacceptable (bitter clingers) just to piss them off.  I was born under the Constitution and WILL live under it.  Period. 

Catholic, Veteran, Hunter,Married to a Female, Raising children Catholic, Small Business, Knowledge of the Constitution and  Bill of Rights. 

55

W walks into the Van Gogh Museum in Amsterdam and asks who painted "Starry Night" or that one-eared self-portrait.

Think the lefties might make this a big deal?

56

"the importance of the shrine.

Honestly,  I had no idea what the Our Lady of Guadalupe meant either."

I must have missed the ad where you claimed to be the one most ready to answer the 3 a.m. phone call....

And generally, don't you do a little background work on any place you visit?  Would you go to Mesa Verde and ponder on why the Spaniards built them towers up in the cliffs?  Would you visit the La Brea tar pits and ask, "So, like, is this where you get the stuff to fill the pot holes?"

Google is a wonderful thing.  Al Gore's a major owner, so the Democrats shouldn't be afraid to use it; and, best I know, Hillary didn't have her arms dislocated by the NVA, so you'd think she could type a bit.

57

http://tinyurl.com/d5e833

Hmmmm, wonder if the dumpster-divers in Wasilla are going to follow this up?  Wanna bet?

58

#46  - Biden's got his own trouble right now - seems someone is shopping a video roll of his daughter snorting a couple lines of coke.

Last I heard the bidding was opening at $250,000 - and it appears she isn't a novice. Seems she's been busted before - of course, it's all Bush's fault. Good God - George and Laura must go to bed every night exhausted from the laughter. 

Team Obambi may not be smart enough to qualify for the Special Olympics - thay have certainly flunked coordination.

59

Ya know what? GW probably had the pic of dogs playing cards in the oval office. BFD? We knew he was no rocket surgeon, but he'd put together a decent crew. He eventually did.

But these arrogant, Ivy League, ready to lead on day one, dialogue is the key,  mutherfuckers will be our ruination.

Just one day of no fuck-ups. Somebody should have been documenting this, but it would be bigger than the NYC phone book by now...Just one day!

60 Notropis,

No argument, it was inept.  Just thinking if I looked at a painting, even knowing the history, I might slip and ask who painted it.

Really just wanted to point out I think the Tea Parties are more important.

I'm ham-fisted that way.

61 Regard Notre Dame......He knew exactly what he was doing...."He Won"....He rubs our noses in any slight..Controversy over abortion funding.. brings showing up at Notre Dame. Now we are to have Muslims in the cabinet due to Freeman snub.   He is a calculating teleprompter reading jerk.

62

Here's an account of the testing done on the painted tilma by the church:

In 1666, the Church began investigating the miracle of the image’s appearance and its continued existence. The most accomplished artists and the most notable scientists gathered in Mexico to study and examine the portrait. The scientific experts examined the image from the point of view of science; the foremost artists of Mexico were called upon to examine it and report on it from their background in art and in the techniques of painting, the preparation of canvas, and the knowledge of their pigments.

The artists together examined it first. They examined the coarse linen of the tilma on which it had been painted, and having conferred and compared their observations, they made a unanimous declaration: “It is impossible for any human craftsman to paint or create a work so fine, clean, and well-formed on a fabric so coarse as that of the tilma on which this divine and sovereign painting of Our Lady is painted: no one but God could create a thing so beautiful and with so many perfections as those found in the holy painting.” They found that the colors are embedded and incorporated in the coarse threads of the fabric.

The artists also discovered that the image was somehow painted by using four distinct media on the one surface: oil, tempera, water color, and fresco. Today, more than four centuries later, it is still unheard of that these four media, none of which is compatible with any other, could come together on one canvas.

The head and hands of the Blessed Virgin were executed in oil. The tunic, the angel and the clouds which frame it were done in tempera. The mantle was painted in water color, and the background frescoed. These four media are so distinct in their workmanship that each one requires its own special sizing and solvent; this makes it all the more miraculous a combination.

Next came the testimony by the scientists. Known as the “Physicians Royal,” these scientists declared in complete agreement that the damp and salty air of the environment was not a natural help in conserving the painting. The miraculous image had kept the brilliance of its original colors for over 130 years at this time when, given normal conditions the fabric of the tilma should itself have crumbled to nothing in less than twenty years. The scientists concluded that the creator of the miraculous image had suspended the ordinary laws and rules of nature, as He did in the instance of the conception of the Virgin Mary, so that it might be known that by this miracle there are very close likenesses between the original and the copy, the living model and the painting.

http://www.4marks.com/articles/details.html?article_id=1506

63 Wow, this is what you guys are worried about?  What a bunch of whiny-ass douchebags.
Let's not forget that we're talking about something that was, in all likelihood, painted and passed off as a miracle.  Hey, at least it's not a grilled cheese sandwich with the face of Jesus on it.  Fucking gullible idiots.

64

I know this isn't the song thread, but:

Everyday I love you less and less
It's clear to see that you've become obsessed
I've got to get this message to the press
That everyday I love you less and less
And everyday I love you less and less
I've got to get this feeling off my chest
The Doctor says all I needs pills and rest
Since everyday I love you less and less
Unless, unless
I know, I feel it in my bones
I'm sick, I'm tired of staying in control
Oh yes, I feel a rat upon a wheel
I've got to know what's not and what is real
Oh yes I'm stressed, I'm sorry I digressed
Impressed you're dressed to SOS
Oh, and my parents love me
Oh, and my girlfriend loves me

Everyday I love you less and less
I can't believe once you and me did sex
It makes me sick to think of you undressed
Since everyday I love you less and less
And everyday I love you less and less
You're turning into something I detest
And everybody says that your a mess
Since everyday I love you less and less

--Kaiser Chiefs

(just played it on my CD and seemed apropos)

65 Will you assholes leave that poor Biden girl alone! She's studying to be the ambassador to Peru.

66 And no, I don't think it's perfectly reasonable that she asked that question. it was an inexcusably ignorant question for a Sec. of State to ask while visiting what many consider the holiest spot in the western hemisphere.

67 Trying really hard get outraged by this but just not one of those things. Really, I'm your core outrage group. Looking for anything.

It is quite offensive to many Catholics and Hispanics, believe me. 

And it should be alarming for Americans who are neither, as it indicates a shocking lack of knowledge about and/or respect for Hispanic culture.  The most perfunctory briefing should have prepared her for this.

Again, if Bush did it, this would be puffed up enormously.

68 37 How much did that grilled cheese sandwich that "God" cooked up a few years back go for?

More than your sorry ass is worth.

69

"Really just wanted to point out I think the Tea Parties are more important."

Agree, 100%

Listening to the BBC today, they made major world headlines out of the fact that a couple of thousand protesters showed up in London for the G-20 talks.  That's a couple of thousand, from the whole freaking world.  Denver got more than that, just from the metro area, for the Tea Party a few weeks ago.

Unless we can get a million people in Washington (no, never mind, even when the ProLife folks get those kinds of numbers, they don't get much coverage....)

We're still gonna see several days' worth of front page coverage for a few dozen ACORN activists cruising in a bus, looking for AIG executives, and not a peep about thousands of tax payers voicing their concerns at Tea Parties.

70

#63 Father Asshelmet

The venue happened to be a Catholic basilica.

As notropis mentioned above, it would have been similarly insulting if it had occurred in a secular place of great importance, like Independence Hall.

 

71 63 Wow, this is what you guys are worried about?  What a bunch of whiny-ass douchebags.
Let's not forget that we're talking about something that was, in all likelihood, painted and passed off as a miracle.  Hey, at least it's not a grilled cheese sandwich with the face of Jesus on it.  Fucking gullible idiots.

You know, that's exactly how we describe you Obama voters/worshippers.

72 "Let's not forget that we're talking about something that was, in all likelihood, painted and passed off as a miracle." Which, even if true, would have nothing to do with the story. Are you telling me that Hillary, in asking this question, even if she were just a typical rude American, and not the SoS, could have expected to solve the issue, or even add to intelligent discussion? "Oh, shit....Lower right corner.... signed by one 'Pablo Cordero.' Damn, you're smart, Sec'y Clinton. No one ever thought to ask that, before. Wow, for centuries we assumed it was a miracle; but now we know better."

73 It is quite offensive to many Catholics and Hispanics, believe me.

Sorry, I'm not a Catholic and apologies for not knowing. 

Not trying to excuse the lack of knowledge for the SoS but...

Just go to your damn Tea Party on 15 April! 

74 I'm E-bay'ing a grilled cheese of Obama right now. All proceeds will go to Palins' defense fund

75 Sorry Hongqi, I live in Canada, where they took a pass on that Revolution thing. :-D

76 Where can I get a loaf of "jug eared" bread?

77 Why don't you guys ever talk about evolution? Now that's interesting!

78 Would it be racist if I used rye?

79

Where are the fucking grown ups?

WTF.  Do we have any civil servants that brief this bitch that can read?

Kemp

80 The more these people do, the more I'm glad they're not fully staffed.

81 Let's not forget that we're talking about something that was, in all likelihood, painted and passed off as a miracle.

Even if it is, and even if Mrs. Clinton believes that it is, this object and the Lady it represents is an object of veneration for millions.  It is an item of enormous importance within the Hispanic community, and she should have shown respect.  She doesn't have to pretend to believe it's real, but there were a million different things she should or could have said instead of that.  It implies either ignorance or that the Catholic Church is passing off a fraud, and either implication is a disastrous diplomatic remark from a Secretary of State.    

82 Canada, where they took a pass on that Revolution thing.

Benedict Arnold tried hard to bring you into the fold...respect the Arnold! 

83 This thing is less likely a fraud than the Koran.

84

A new scandal. From the online NY Post--- three words:

        Ashley Biden Snort

85

"Do we have any civil servants that brief this bitch that can read?"

During the Bush administration, many of us were pretty skeptical of the Department of State, thinking that the lifers over there were deliberately trying to undermine Bush's presidency, and especially Rice's work, with the leaks and gaffes and apparent back-stabbing.

But now, I don't know.  Maybe it's worth a rethink.  Maybe they're all just fucking lazy, illiterate government teat-suckers.

86 @notropis
It was just a question, to which a skilled host would reply, "Actually, it was not painted.  It appeared by miracle, a sign from God..." etc etc.  In other words, someone with any social skills at all would use it as an opportunity to educate and build a common understanding.
But you fucking idiots are just ready to throw down over anything at all.  Well, good luck putting together a truth commission over this.  Why don't you try to make an impeachment out of it?  Pathetic morons.

87 Granted she as Sec of State should have known who painted it, but if God painted that I'll eat my hat.

88 I'm sure George W. did this, but the media was too respectful of him to print his faux pas.  So she deeply offends a couple billion people.  So what?  She's the SMARTEST woman in the world.

89 Great, now the trolls show up and it seems like I'm with them.

Fuck me!

90

Hey, who gives a shit about Biden's daughter doing a line, when Barry has admitted doing some himself? 

Kemp

91

"It was just a question"

It was just a question that any but a totally ignorant, unprepared, arrogant SoS who can't even find out how to say "Reset" in Russian, while surrounded by fluent Russian speakers, would not have needed to ask, because even a quick, 30 second google, before bopping over to the shrine, would have provided the answer.

"use it as an opportunity to educate and build a common understanding."

So, Hillary's whole State Department was so fucking clueless as to need to be "educated" on the most important cultural site of our southern neighbor?  Smartest fucking woman in the world, we've been told for almost 20 years now....

"putting together a truth commission over this."

We'll leave those to 3rd world countries, Kossacks, and Pat Leahy.

92 Look at the liberal troll, trying to enlighten us dimwits about "common understanding" and conversing civilly.

93 Granted she as Sec of State should have known who painted it, but if God painted that I'll eat my hat.

Whether it's miraculous or not is beside the point.  The gaffe here is her cultural tone-deafness and the insulting implications of the question.

94 It's hard to be a Father of anything, when you keep blowing you load into a Kleenex.

95 My point is, she didn't say, "Who painted THAT PIECE OF SHIT?" or "Oh, you papists actually believe that crap?" or something like that.  That would have been GWB.
But you're up in arms about this dumb-ass shit.  Wasted your evening in blog comments about it.
And me?  I just had fun taunting you, so that's cool.  G'nite.

96 I'm not "outraged"by it, myself. But I do find it to be noteworthy that a Sec. of State would be so culturally illiterate about a place she was visiting.

97 My point is, she didn't say, "Who painted THAT PIECE OF SHIT?" or "Oh, you papists actually believe that crap?" or something like that.

But the question basically says the same thing.  That's why I take issue with this.  I'm a traditional Catholic with a deep devotion to Mary, and I'm not calling for a huge outpouring of outrage or anything, but it does indicate, as Nice Deb says, an alarming amount of cultural illiteracy.

98

Hillary: "So Aushwitz, was this a suasage factory or something"?........"Oh Rabbi, you don't believe that whole "Holocaust" thing do you"?

Think along these lines Father. Even if it was area 51, you should know where/what the fuck you're doing there.

99

#95 My point is, she didn't say, "Who painted THAT PIECE OF SHIT?" or "Oh, you papists actually believe that crap?" or something like that.  That would have been GWB.

Hey asshat, W did visit the Vatican and showed a helluva lot more decorum and respect as a Protestant than Pelosi did as a Catholic.

(Once the strained W parallel slips out, you can tell how ignorant --willfully or naturally-- a troll is)

100

Someone probably already said it, but here we go again:

The smartest woman in the world.

101 We're not "up in arms", we're just laughing at her dumb ass and, by extension, her dumb assed supporters.

102 logprof...we need a "how to spot a troll thread". Wait, no we don't.

103

"That would have been GWB."

Translation:

"OK, so she was a total idiot.  And what she did was completely indefensible.  But, but, but, everybody KNOWS that Bush was way stupider.  EVERYBODY.  KNOWS.  THAT.  I mean, haven't you seen the Will Farrell special?  Good lord, is Bush stupid, or what?  And filthy.  And he drags out a huge penis onto the stage for some reason.  He's so stupid."

Of course, I'm guessing that Bush actually does know the whole story of Our Lady of Guadalupe, without having to be briefed, being from Texas and all.  But, then again, that would have simply been evidence of his primitive religious superstitions and radical, irrational Christianist tendencies.

104

#101 Javems

I have to laugh to keep from crying.

And soon I need to refill my drink.  Glad I have a Double Gulp cup. :-D

105

Father Pederasty at March 28, 2009 10:18 PM

Cute name there, padre. What a wit you are, you Catholic hating piece of dogshit.

As one poster on this site said some time ago:

Now go wash your mouth out. With a revolver.

106 Back to the "Reset" button.

107 Where do we register complaints of poor troll quality?

I can't give the good Father P. even a single star.

108

Ashley Biden

Headlines at Huffington Post and New York Post

LUN

109 Ashley Biden Cocaine has gone viral. I checked almost every  search engine....SwEEEEEEEttt

110 So I'm a hater?

111

[rises from crouch]

"Well well well, I'd say this Secretary of State is [replaces sunglasses] over the hill!"

[cut to intro]

112 How old is Ashly Biden?

113 CNN: "Ashley Biden Snorts coke off Our Lady of Guadalupe"

114 17 "I agree with John, this seems like it can't possibly be a true story:"

Given the collossal number of fuckups these people have already committed up to this point, that would make the two of you credulous boobs. Still not quite as far out in the woods as Paul Mirengoff but close...

Posted by: Additional Blond Agent at March 28, 2009 09:09 PM (SHKl9) </i>

Mirengoff is losing it.  In another post about being away from the blogosphere for a week, he mentions how impressed he was by Obama's press conference and claims The One didn't use a teleprompter.  Of course, that's only because he was using the huge flat screen TV instead . . . Mirengoff may be a lost cause.

Ace is only hesitant because AllahPundit hasn't posted his opinion yet.

115 Father Pederasty ...
It was just a question, to which a skilled host would reply, "Actually, it was not painted.  It appeared by miracle, a sign from God..." etc etc.  In other words, someone with any social skills at all would use it as an opportunity to educate and build a common understanding.

He blames the Mexicans, so typica.

Look, a young would-be liberal who would fail at a good university, where the smart liberals go.

What's funny about "Father Pederasty," other than the fact that his favorite President may have complex issues in the area of pederasty himself considering a mentor of his, is that Father Pederasty shows such vulgar disregard for Mexico, Catholics, and more.

Here he comes from the party preaching tolerance, but as is common among nearly illiterate young liberals-in-training is that he's actually blamed the Mexicans.

They weren't good hosts, he says.   He blames them being insulted on them and believes they  "should have responded to the question as a teaching moment" and according to him, the SOS's remark that offended them shouldn't have.   So they're to blame.

You must not have completed your liberal indoctrination courses yet, young libtard, for insulting a country, it's culture, and it's religion, are quite un-PC. 

IF you have the scores to get into a real school (and just between you and Frank Marshall Davis, Obama's favorite pederast, you clearly don't) see what your professors think about this exchange.  They wouldn't be pleased if you snuck into a real school.  And if they saw this you would flunk out. 

116 I tend to not think it's fair game to target people's children, grown or otherwise...I really don't think it's any of my business, in most cases.

We know how we felt when the media went after Bristol Palin.

117 Yep, best administration, ever.  Got the most intelligent people, even 'the smartest woman in the world' on the team.  What could go wrong?

Hahahahahahahahahahahahha!!!!!!!!!!!

118 Father P:

It is not the job of the Secretary of State to undermine religious faith nor to insult her host nation.   Besides being a religious shrine, Our Lady of Guadalupe is a place of national pride for all of Mexico. 

My parish in Indiana has a mass on her feast day, December 12, organized by a woman who emigrated here from Mexico back in the 1960's.  She is SO proud that she has been able to bring a reverence for the Virgin of Guadalupe to our parish. 

This is a terrible insult to Mexico.  I realize you don't believe in this, but surely you can see how it would hurt those people who believe in this miracle.

Oh, and President Bush knew very well the power of the Virgin of Guadalupe.  His brother Jeb and his sister-in-law went to pray at the Basilica in Mexico City during the 2000 Florida recount...and the Supreme Court decision was handed down on December 12, 2000, the feast day of Our Lady of Guadalupe.

119  We know how we felt when the media went after Bristol Palin.

Yeah.  Ain't revenge a bitch?

120 Oh, and President Bush knew very well the power of the Virgin of Guadalupe.  His brother Jeb and his sister-in-law went to pray at the Basilica in Mexico City during the 2000 Florida recount...and the Supreme Court decision was handed down on December 12, 2000, the feast day of Our Lady of Guadalupe.

Wow. I did not know that.

121 Yeah.  Ain't revenge a bitch?

Hmmm. Well, I don't get any pleasure in it.

122

Once she hit 18, fair's fair. She probably got a lot of mileage in life with that surname.  Now it's time to pay up.

 

If nothing else, it speaks volumes about the company she keeps. Can you say "Michael Phelps"???

123 A quote from the Ashley Biden story:

The camera follows the woman from a few feet away, focusing on her as she moves around the room. It appears not to be concealed. At one point she shouts, "Shut the f--- up!"

Yep, that's Scranton Joe's daughter.

*Drink*

124 I once snorted coke off Ashley Biden's ass. Where's my $250,000?

125 Wow, it seems as if some of the posters here actually believe gawd painted that sheet.

Scary.

126 That was you?

127 andros arrives to steer the comments away from me.

128 Two things with the "hands off the kids" notion.

Ashley's 27 yrs old. She's an adult, not a child.

She actively campaigned for her father, not just walking out on stage and waving to the crowd, but giving speeches.

These are the same reasons that Chelsea was fair game. And the Obama kids aren't (no, they are NOT fair game).

On the other hand, from the photos I've seen, Ashley's quite hittable.

129 Yeah, and I'm one of them, so step off.

130 Was Ashley selling drugs, like Palin's in-laws were, or just having a little snort?

Do tell.

131 If true, and at this point I do believe it is, it is but another sad commentary on the so called leaders of this greatest nation on G_ds green earth.  You don't have to be a Catholic to appreciate what an enormous blunder this is.  Sure as the sun rises each day (to add to Man Made Global Warming no doubt)  all of the foreign leaders in the civilized countries, and even perhaps the 3rd world countries as well are having a good chuckle at The Stupid American.  The tragic blunders of this administration are occurring at a daily rate.  So with that, I say fellow morons raise your Slurpee cup filled with Val-u-Rite and enjoy the show.

132

Andros, don't be a fool.  Even as a callow grad student visiting Hindu holy places in India I knew how better to comport myself as a non-believer than the Secretary of State, who is the Chief Diplomat of the United States.  --and I knew less about Hinduism, I'm sure, than she knows about Catholicism.

These people are just so self-assured about Tehir Awesomeness that they think they can just skate along and we have to kiss their asses.

133 125 Wow, it seems as if some of the posters here actually believe gawd painted that sheet.

Scary.

Don't you have a Daily Kos Obama fap party you're late for?

Now fuck off, you malignant, festering cunt.

134

That was you?

It was. Remember? I'm the one that politely pointed out that you still had toilet paper dangling from your crack.

135 "Was Ashley selling drugs, like Palin's in-laws were, or just having a little snort?"

Did Sarah Palin raise her daughter's baby's grandmother?"

Do tell.

136 Oh yeah! Now I remember!

I missed you.

137 Next up:

Hillary goes to Moscow and watches the changing of the guard around Lenin's Tomb. She turns to Putin and observes "What's with the goose-stepping? I thought that was a Nazi thing."

138 logprof,

If the story were true, it might constitute a minor diplomatic blunder on Hilllary's part.

But, considering the source, I'd say the odds the story is true are less than the odds the blanket has gawd's own doodle on it.

139 I must me too far into my vodka if I'm trying to reason with "andros"

140

I missed you.

Funny that you would miss me since I was standing in a line. I think it was Beau Biden that went first, but it's hard to remember. After I tooted the line things got a little hazy.

141 Hey padre # 95.  You talk so big... Why don't you bring that mouth on down this way and give a big ol shout-out to the homeboys hanging out by Santa Rosa's ER?

142

gawd's own doodle or not, it's a sublime piece of art --and very influential.

I can't imagine a foreign minister visiting the USA and asking "What's the deal with this bell with the crack in it?"

Now I can't just joke about slapping a Canadian flag on my gear; now I want to avoid the jokes.

I raise my drink to the fact that I live in the land of Harper instead of 0bama!

143 Clinton then told Msgr. Monroy that she had previously visited the old Basilica in 1979, when the new one was still under construction.

I wonder if hillary knows that the new Basilica was finished in 1976?

"The old basilica was sinking as a result of the weakness of the ground, as the city was built on a former lake. As a consequence a new, more spacious, basilica was built. The old one was closed for many years and repairs have recently finished."

I doubt they let people in the old one if it had structural weaknesses.  Perhaps she was too busy dodging bullets to notice she was in a modern building instead of a 16th century church?

144 "considering the source"

Yeah. Catholic News Agency has a long track record of just making shit up.

Like, back when, um...

Well, I can't remember when, but certainly you can provide a bunch of examples, can't you?

145

As in, a really, really stupid thing for a Secretary of State to ask her guides.

As I said, a perfectly reasonable question, but perhaps impolitic.

Relax.  We've got another 46 months of this to get through.  At this rate you'll have an aneurysm by June.

146 The scary part is that Hillary is the competent one! Obama is Captain Clusterfuck.

Catholic, Hindu, Muslim or whatever, as Secretary of State you are supposed to know some shit before engaging your mouth. At the least find someone who does.

I am beginning to think all this cannot be a mistake! No single group of people can be this fucking incompetent. The French thing was deliberate, as was the British snub. Hillary Clinton and the entire state department could not translate a single fucking Russian word? The word that was going to be the centrepiece of the visit? I am not sure I believe that!

I don't see Ashley Biden's conduct being any more relevant than the Palin kids. Biden is the idiot who should never have been elected.

147 Well logprof,

If my man Mittens had won, he wouldn't fall for phony religious images...or religions.

Maybe next time.

148

Who the hell is Mittens?

And is the implication that the Secretary of State has to "fall for phony religious images . . . . or religions" on every state visit?

I don't care what my friends believe, or not believe; when I visit their houses I do not talk out of turn about what is important to them or ask ignorant questions.

That goes double when visiting the homes of strangers.

149

If my man Mittens had won

Quit fuggin' around. Everyone knows your man mitten is Andi Sullivan. And he ain't run for anything. Unless you count the time he won that Fag of the Year award. That trophy was nice. A gold plated dick with the coveted three testicle cluster.

150
It doesn't matter how it came into being, the sad fact of the matter is that she didn't know what she was looking at.

She seems to be completely incurious.  It would have taken 5 minutes to google her destination for the day and pick up some background before making an appearance. 

She just didn't care.

151

It should also be added that the image of Guadalupe is that of a pregnant woman, hence her association with the pro-life cause

An even bigger reason for her association with the pro-life cause is the fact that Our Lady of Guadalupe is most responsible for leading countless formerly human-sacrificing Aztecs to convert to Christianity.

 

152 I always tell the truth, folks.

153 The scary part is that Hillary is the competent one! Obama is Captain Clusterfuck.

That is indeed the scary part.  It's not that bad a gaffe - relative to everything else that's going on - but Hillary is probably the smartest person in the administration.

154 152 I always tell the truth, folks.

As do I.   I am "The One."   Nothing faux magico-religious about this.

http://obamamessiah.blogspot.com/

155 "This can't be true she really really cant be this stupid can she? "

"Overcharged"

156 That is indeed the scary part.  It's not that bad a gaffe - relative to everything else that's going on - but Hillary is probably the smartest person in the administration.

Even I know that, secretly.   

-- Barack Insane Obama

Full Time Narcissist, Part Time Holy Faith Healer, Full Time Dumb Ass Fuck

157

#154 BIO

Wow, that's scary shit.  I was looking for the picture of the votive candles surrounding the image of 0 looking like St. Martin de Porres, but perhaps that was photoshopped (albeit credible).

158 "At this rate you'll have an aneurysm by June."

?????

So, pointing out the fact that the question was entirely unreasonable, and your snarky response was more than a little stupid will give me an aneurysm? Why would that be?

I'm not upset. In fact, I'm rather enjoying the fact that the smartest woman in the world is proving that perhaps statecraft should be left to professionals, and she should maybe go back to baking cookies (oh, that's right, she doesn't do that, either.)

And since you only quoted the sentence that didn't address your asininity, let me repeat the rest:

"Let's see. It showed up 500 years ago; story is, God just made it appear. So now, super skeptical antrhopologist Hillary Clinton will get to the bottom of the mystery by asking a deep, incisive question of her guides [a Monsignor, yet]. Yeah, that's perfectly reasonable."

No, it's not a reasonable question. It might, or might not, be a reasonable topic for research by an historian or an anthropologist, but it's not a reasonable question for a Secretary of State to ask a Catholic priest.

It's never reasonable to ask a question in a situation where there's only one possible answer that you could receive, and it's an answer you should have known before you asked.

It showed nothing other than Hillary's total ignorance.

159 157

#154 BIO

Wow, that's scary shit.  I was looking for the picture of the votive candles surrounding the image of 0 looking like St. Martin de Porres, but perhaps that was photoshopped (albeit credible).

Logprof

That site's completely REAL.  Those are all REAL paintings, real magazine covers, real quotes by BHO's cultish followers.  Real indoctrination tapes to the followers, real stuff compiled since the beginning of the primaries to now.  It keeps up with the new stuff as it comes out.  Scary, but true. 

You want to see the world's craziest fake religion?  Obama-ism, by a mile.

160 "Who the hell is Mittens?"

My dead cat?

161 Who the hell is Mittens?"

Is he pretending he voted for Mitt Romney?

162

My fiance' has not said as much (and she never would) but as someone engaged to a Mexican chica, I can say without reservation "¡Don't fuck with the Virgin of Guadalupe!"

163 Yes, andros, or as I like to call him, that deranged cunt, is attempting to insinuate that he's a moderate republican. Furthermore, he's attempting to establish his bona fides by saying "his" candidate was Mitt.

He's about as full of shit as the average liberal's diaper.

164 andros, you have a Mitt jones?

Who knew.

165

I should also mention that I've seen pictures of some guys with that "doodle" tattooed on them.  I'm sure they'd be happy to debate the origins of the image with andros and Father Libtard.

166 Furthermore, he's attempting to establish his bona fides by saying "his" candidate was Mitt.

.And after all that Catholic bashing, he said that Mitt wouldn't fall for a phony religion...?

Oookay. Someone needs to brush up on his moby skills. Or is he only pretending to be a moby to be a dick?

Weirdo.

167 Someone probably already mentioned this ,I am late to the thread...but didn't Hill Billy Bill Clinton talk about walking in the footsteps of Romulus and Remus?
That was a laugh riot...

168 Hey, Fr. Pederasty, do you think all soldiers are assholes just because of the few idiots at Abu Ghraib?

Yeah, you prolly don't.  But all Catholic priests are pervs, because of a few, right?

Screw yourself.

169 No, thea, he probably does think all soldiers are assholes based on Abu Ghraib.

170 .And after all that Catholic bashing, he said that Mitt wouldn't fall for a phony religion...?

Look, it's perfectly okay to bash other religions except Islam because they'll kill you they're more sensitive about the topic.

As Democrats, we must enlighten the world by moving country to country showing how much contempt we have for their backwards cultural ways, just like we do in America. Think of it as "The Rime of the Ancient Mariner," except instead of being stranded on a boat for years, we just received an M.A. in something useless like sociology or grew up in New York.

This is what distinguishes us from the imperialistic provincialism of George Bush.

171 "Oh, and President Bush knew very well the power of the Virgin of Guadalupe.  His brother Jeb and his sister-in-law went to pray at the Basilica in Mexico City during the 2000 Florida recount...and the Supreme Court decision was handed down on December 12, 2000, the feast day of Our Lady of Guadalupe."

That is correct. Also, the final congressional whatchacallit that settled the issue once and for all occured on Jan. 6, feast of Our Lady of Peace.  Lots of good things happened for Bush on Marian feastdays.

The other thing interesting to note is that Guadalupe was only NAMED the Patroness of the Americas (and the unborn) in 1999, when JPII made a special trip to Mexico City (after being advised to put it off because Christmas was so near.)  JPII was the one who made it a point to do this in '99, and the one who said Dec 12 would be her feastday.  You could look it up.  The co-incidences re Bush and Marian feastdays was chronicled on at least a couple of blogs when it was going on.  I think Sept 11 was a sorrowful day of the rosary and Sept 14, when Bush got on the rubble and talked thru the bullhorn, was the feast of the Triumph of the Cross.

Then again, Catholics have a lot of feastdays so some of that might have been co-incidental.

But I still say Bush and Blair had some sort of connection to Mary, and I think it's why Blair converted.

172 "Wow, it seems as if some of the posters here actually believe gawd painted that sheet.  Scary."

I believe it.  God can do anything.  And when a Cornell professor and nobel prize winner examined the thing in 1938, he couldn't figure out what the heck it had caused the image.  Or how the tilma made of cactus fibers could last 500 years.

173 Thea-logical "reasoning?'

Nice.

174 But I still say Bush and Blair had some sort of connection to Mary, and I think it's why Blair converted.

There have been rumors that Bush will convert, too.

175

I wonder what would be the reaction if Hillybilly went to the kabal in mecca and looked at the two black stones and asked if they were bowling balls?  I bet it would be alot different.

Stupid bitch,

and yes, I'm half Mexican and a Catholic.

176 Thanks Gabe for writing about this.  when I posted the information O/T: earlier in the afternoon it was becasue I thought it was important on many levels, hysterically funny and I knew I wouldn't be back here until now.  If you think this is interesting, you should check out the Anchoress site, I think I clicked on it from Michelle Malkin's site, wow she has a creepy tale.

177 In Hillary's defense: Maybe she thought that this was a question that Roman Catholic Mexicans are accustomed to hearing from non-Catholic Christian tourists? In other words, since she knows that they know that she's not Catholic, she might've decided that feigning ignorance of the Guadalupe legend (and thus inviting her hosts to enlighten her) was the safest and most diplomatic course of action.

Look at it this way: If I were a tourist at Sea World, and I wanted to get on the good side of Craig, the hunky orca trainer, in hopes that Craig would show me his big cock later on, one strategy I might try would be to ask a completely dumb-ass question like:

"Um, Craig [giggle], when are we gonna see how killer whales dig holes in the sand in order to lay their eggs?"

By doing this, I'm (a) flattering Craig by giving him a chance to show off his encyclopedic knowledge of cetacean reproduction, and (b) letting him know that I'm brainless enough to stand around with my mouth open while he shoves his dick in, and that I won't expect dinner or payment.

178

#177 Throbert

You make some good points --hell, I've gone through almost the same routine, blow by blow (heh heh), feigning ignorance to try to score-- but that only applies to 99+% of the world.

For a VIP like a foreign minister, it's very, very difficult to pose such a question without coming off condescending.

Considering who the VIP in question is, I doubt she can even say the words "the" or "and" without sounding condescending.

179

"Nice Deb points out that after visiting this Patroness of the Unborn (and of the Americas) Mrs. Clinton went off to receive Planned Parenthood’s highest award:I can tell she was very affected by her encounter with the Protectress of the Unborn. Last night, Clinton received the highest award given by Planned Parenthood: the Margaret Sanger Award, named for the organization’s founder, a noted eugenicist."  http://tinyurl.com/gwsrp

To those who didn't think this occurred, there is a picture at the Anchoress site where the link is from   To those who think it was coincidental that she would go to see the tilma and then get the award, think again.  Interesting that she had not planned to visit and made the decision at the last minute so I wouldn't fault her for not being briefed.  Apparently, the eyes of Our Lady of Guadalupe on the tilma are hauntingly real.  In all probability the question was Hillary's totally honest reaction to those eyes and gazing into them.  It wasn't from what I've read, a quick glace, it was a period of just staring into those eyes and becasue of those minutes Hillary will probably never be the same.

180 There is another picture of Hillary here:  http://tinyurl.com/c5noex

181 Muffy, I pray your right.  Because if you are, it would be a very good thing.

182 "In 1531 a “Lady from Heaven” appeared to a humble Native American at Tepeyac, a hill northwest of what is now Mexico City.
She identified herself as the ever virgin Holy Mary, Mother of the True God for whom we live, of the Creator of all things, Lord of heaven and the earth.
She made a request for a church to be built on the site, and submitted her wish to the local Bishop. When the Bishop hesitated, and requested her for a sign, the Mother of God obeyed without delay or question to the Church’s local Bishop, and sent her native messenger to the top of the hill in mid-December to gather an assorment of roses for the Bishop.
After complying to the Bishop’s request for a sign, She also left for us an image of herself imprinted miraculously on the native’s tilma, a poor quality cactus-cloth, which should have deteriorated in 20 years but shows no sign of decay 477 years later and still defies all scientific explanations of its origin." 

"After placing a bouquet of white flowers by the image, Mrs. Clinton went to the quemador –the open air area at the Basilica where the faithful light candles- and lit a green candle.

Leaving the basilica half an hour later, Mrs. Clinton told some of the Mexicans gathered outside to greet her, “you have a marvelous virgin!”  http://tinyurl.com/c5noex

183 OMG, here is a link to a video of Hillary's visit:  http://tinyurl.com/dk2fxs

184 #158 Notropis - June?  Make that Easter.

As I said, perfectly reasonable, but perhaps impolitic.

185 This is an amazing video about the studying of the image but it is in Spanish.  You can stil figure out what is going on though:  http://tinyurl.com/daw7tj

186 If you look at the video, Hillary did fine.  Somehow she wasn't scheduled to visit the Basilica and some one must have caught that error as this is a very important place in Mexico.

187 What is so fascinating is how the anchoress put Hillary's visit to the Basilica and BO's acceptance of the invitation to speak at the commencement of Notre Dame in the same context.  Many think the checkbook to build the magnificent Chapel there came from France.  The school is run by the Brothers of the Holy Cross and Peter King, Conde Rice, Rgis Philbin are all alums.  No wonder theis Notre Dame things is sending shockwaves.

188

She lost the democratic primary to Obama - the most racist people in the country picked a black guy over her.  She couldn't get klu klux superdelegates to stick with her.  Of course she's not going to study or prep for anything she does.

189 I have a glow-in-the-dark figurine replica of the image next to the bedroom TV, so that I'm reminded that our mother is watching over us at all times, even when in the darkness and seeks our help in making this a better world.  Hillary's "smarter diplomacy" is an embarrassment to our nation and everyone in it. There is no excuse, even for atheists like Hillary, to offend others with  ignorance and callous disregard for beliefs contrary to her own.  I honestly would be a better Sec. of State than her, as would most morons.

190 There is no excuse, even for atheists like Hillary, to offend others with  ignorance and callous disregard for beliefs contrary to her own.

Oh, for fuck's sake. The guy she put the question to, namely Monsignor Molroy, is the rector of the Basilica of Our Lady of Guadalupe.

Promulgating the Catholic faith is part of Molroy's job description as a monsignor, and explaining to non-Catholic visitors that Catholics consider the image to be of miraculous origin is part of his job as rector of the Basilica.

Thus, by asking "who painted this image," Hillary was providing her host -- the Monsignor -- with a conversational opening TO DO HIS GODDAMN FUCKING JOB. How is that offensive?

191

Hillary in Saudi Arabia:

"So, what's the deal with you guys and that rock?"

 

192 Come to think of it, not only was Hillary considerate enough to provide the Monsignor with a conversation topic, but she even gave him a theme for next Sunday's sermon, free of charge. Note that her dumb-ass question works beautifully as a real-life illustration of St. Paul's theme "Hath not God made foolish the wise men?" (see 1st Corinthians 1:19-27)

Throw in the ironic juxtaposition of Hillary's Planned Parenthood award, and the sermon pretty much writes itself!

193 Hmmm.

"Leaving the basilica half an hour later, Mrs. Clinton told some of the Mexicans gathered outside to greet her, “you have a marvelous virgin!”"

Now imagine if Bill Clinton said that.

ROFLMAO!

194 memomachine, contect is everything, isn't it?

195 Eesh! I'll admit I didn't know anything about Our Lady of Guadalupe at all, until I heard about this, but then again, I'm not Sec. of State and never claimed to have been to Basilica.

196 throbert she claimed it was the second time she had been to the site.  One would expect her to ask the stupid questions the first time around.

197 Throbert,  Bite me.  Its offensive for a representative from another country to not have a f*cking clue, even though THATS HER JOB.

198 Here's the problem Throbert: the Left threw a hissy fit every time Bush mispronounced a word or fumbled a line. All we heard for 8 years was that "if the Democrats were in charge, they would be smarter at diplomacy. They wouldn't make stupid blunders like Bush because Democrats believe in diplomacy and "know how to do things better." So when their standard bearer for Real Diplomacy ™ does something even slightly mock-worthy, well, payback's a bitch!

199 I'm not a Roman Catholic, and I wouldn't have known the alleged answer to that either, but were it my job to be Secretary of State and I was intentionally visiting the spot I'd have found out.

I expect that her arrogance, condescension toward religion, and contempt for everyone other than Washington leftist elites led her to not bother studying what she needed to. "I know enough to do my job!" She sneered...

200 Fun thread. Replete with scads of anti-Catholic bigotry from both our side and the trolls'.

Neither the tilma of Juan Diego nor the Shroud of Turin has been proven to be a hoax. There are objective facts about both artifacts that defy rational explanation. Not saying there aren't any, just saying none have been asserted thus far. This by the way is the Church's stand on both relics. No one knows, and no one can say, so rather than indulge your penchant to mock the Papists, try STFUing and contemplating why the possibility that such artifacts are authentic fills you with such unease, even dread.

201 Serious questions:  despite Mr. Bush's "misspeaks," did he ever insult anyone by his ignorance?

202 Thus, by asking "who painted this image," Hillary was providing her host -- the Monsignor -- with a conversational opening TO DO HIS GODDAMN FUCKING JOB. How is that offensive?

Coming from someone who doesn't know enough not to grossly blaspheme when asking a question related to religion, well, that's rich...

203   As much as I despise the great white witch, I dont understand what the screw up is here.

204 Occam's Razor - she asked a question because she didn't know the answer.

You can say there are other possibilities, but to assume those other possibilities are true, instead of the most obvious one, is to seek to defend her with little evidence to give her the benefit of the doubt (especially after the Russian "reset" screw-up).  It's not necessarily so much "offensive" as showing a level of incompetence and amateurishness from someone that would have been expected to have a greater knowledge of this sort of thing--with or without her support staff.

205 Throbert you are obviously not a Christian, so it makes sense that you don't "get it".  Christian/Catholic or not, just a reminder for you. "You shall not make wrongful use of the name of the Lord your God, for the Lord will not acquit anyone who misuses his name."  Now as an unbeliever this statement is worth what you paid for it.  Either you are correct, and no harm, no foul.  If you are not correct, just remember to stop off at 7-11 and pick up a Helluva lot of ice cubes on Judgment Day.  As to Clinton's job duties as an official Head of State, it is incumbent for her to have at least a rudimentary knowledge of religious/political matters as they are presented to her.  Why is this concept so hard to grasp?  This faux pas will be offensive to the roughly 101,456,786 Catholics in Mexico.  No amount of spin will sugar coat how ignorant and insensitive she is viewed by that population.  Of course if you are a bigot and hate Mexicans and/or Catholics perhaps this would rate as a minor blip on your radar screen.

206 "a google search of "virgin guadalupe pregnant" (thanks to SteveZ) gets this:
The Image of Our Lady is actually an Aztec Pictograph which was read and understood quickly by the Aztec Indians.

1. THE LADY STOOD IN FRONT OF
THE SUN
She was greater than the dreaded
Huitzilopochtli, their sun-god of war.

2. HER FOOT RESTED ON THE
CRESCENT MOON
She had clearly crushed Quetzalcoatl,
the feathered serpent moon-
god.

3. THE STARS STREWN ACROSS
THE MANTLE
She was greater than the stars of heaven which they worshipped.
She was a virgin and the Queen of the heavens for Virgo rests over
her womb and the northern crown upon her head. She appeared on
December 12, 1531 and the stars that she wore are the constellations
of the stars that appeared in the sky that day!

4. THE BLUE‑GREEN HUE OF HER MANTLE
She was a Queen because she wears the color of royalty.

5. THE BLACK CROSS ON THE BROOCH AT HER NECK
Her God was that of the Spanish Missionaries, Jesus Christ her son
who died on the cross for all mankind.

6. THE BLACK BELT
She was with child because she wore the Aztec Maternity Belt.

7. THE FOUR PETAL FLOWER OVER THE WOMB
She was the Mother of God because the flower was a special symbol
of life, movement and deity-the center of the universe.

8. HER HANDS ARE JOINED IN PRAYER
She was not God but clearly there was one greater than Her and she
pointed her finger to the cross on her brooch.

9. THE DESIGN ON HER ROSE COLORED GARMENT
She is the Queen of the Earth because she is wearing a contour map
of Mexico telling the Indians exactly where the apparition took place."  

http://tinyurl.com/ddstfc

207 > 56

And generally, don't you do a little background work on any place you visit? ... Would you visit the La Brea tar pits and ask, "So, like, is this where you get the stuff to fill the pot holes?"

Posted by: notropis

As a matter of fact, tar from the La Brea pits has been used in street paving.

208 http://tinyurl.com/cq56ve  Our Lady of Guadalupe, according to the information at the link, is a huge deal to Mexico and even California.

209 Damn it all Throbert, you have to stop embarassing the family with your stupidity.

210 204 -- Hillary is a LAWYER. They are TRAINED never to ask a question they don't know the answer to in public. Same thing for, ostensibly, diplomats.

She was arrogant, lazy and short on simple smarts, is what she was.

211 Is this here more a that there smart diplomacy I keep hearing about?
Gaw Damn, we dodged a bullet with that Palin dame!

212  you're right, Throbert, she is the smartest women on earth

*gag*

213

We have a 'multicultural' administration that is shamefully ignorant of other cultures.

214  er...woman

215

After observing it for a while, Mrs. Clinton asked “who painted it?” to which Msgr. Monroy responded “God!”

Mrs. Clinton then asked, "Who's that?"

216
"Who painted it?" is a perfectly reasonable question for an ignorant Yankee Protestant to have asked. And it's not impolite, in itself: after all, if you sees a beautiful painting in an unfamiliar style, the first thing you want to know is the name of the artist. It shows appreciation and a wish to learn more, neither of which are bad in themselves.

That being said, I expect that the Secretary of State of our country to be a cut above the typical ignorant tourist. I expect that when she visits one of the world;s most important religious and cultural shrines, she will at least have made an effort to acquaint herself with the history and religious significance (or "mythology," if you prefer) of the place being visited. In other words, I hold the Secretary of State to a higher standard than applies to Mrs Babbit from Des Moines.

And it's not as if the story of the Virgin of Guadalupe was obscure or difficult to discover: just ask the first young man you see with the Virgin's image tattooed on his arm, and he'll be glad to tell you. (Father P., when you do so, be sure to use the traditional Mexican greeting, "Tu madre es una puta!")

Finally, it's entirely fair to ask how the press would have reacted had Colin Powell or Condolezza Rice made that blunder. My guess is that it would make headlines for weeks. Which is why we harp on it here: because someone has to the press's job for it on stories that don't fit the Narrative.

217

This still isn't as good as Gates on Chris Wallace today.  "If a missile is headed toward Hawaii, we might think about doing something."

The Clinton story is just about ego.  These clowns are so arrogant that they think they know how it works.  I'm sure everyone has made the mistake of going into a situation with too much confidence and then just blowing it.  The ego fools you into thinking you know it without having to prepare.  That's Obama's problem too.  These clowns need to shelve the ego and just get to work.

218 Has to be a true story this is the same democrap State Dep't that can't translate 'reset' on a stupid button and gave USA Zone I DVDs to our closest ally, which are unplayable in Great Britain.

219 Uhhh AD, Occam's Razor doesn't work if you don't feed it the correct set of facts.

220 Please elaborate Additional Blond Agent.

What am I missing?

221 I have to agree that she ain't stupid.  Anybody else here think Hilldawg may be intentionally sabotaging the Ø-bammy administration, cuz she realizes he's nothing but a filthy street punk?

222

Two things:

(1) A briefing folder has to be prepared.

(2) The briefing folder has to be read.

223 I'm sure Hillary's a clever woman.

I'm sure she knows a lot about politics and the law.

However, as Brown Line bluntly put it, this is exactly the kind of question an ignorant Yankee Protestant would ask.

224 What am I missing?

Suffice to say, if you've slept through the entirety of the Clinton Admininstration, Hillary's Senate career and now the her nascent Secretary of Stateness, well, there just aren't enough hours in the day to bring you up to speed.

225 Additional Blond Agent,

Outside of an ad hominem attack on me, your point is...what exactly?

Please try to answer this question without acting like a five-year old.

226 The next thing you know the dumb bitch is going to order a cheeseburger in New Delhi.

227 "And it's not as if the story of the Virgin of Guadalupe was obscure or difficult to discover: just ask the first young man you see with the Virgin's image tattooed on his arm, and he'll be glad to tell you. (Father P., when you do so, be sure to use the traditional Mexican greeting, "Tu madre es una puta!")"
There are too many funny funny comments in this thread. "Tu madre es una puta", hahahhha

228 Speaking of sabotage, does Biden's daughter realize her dad is VP of the US?

229 Many of the religious also believe that it was a miracle that Obama was elected.

230  I've said, there are no coincidences:  "First Time For Everything: Bemidji State Topples Top-Seeded Notre Dame"  http://tinyurl.com/cl46hz  http://tinyurl.com/c9cs2v  "Cardinal DiNardo ups the ante"  http://tinyurl.com/ccmbot

231 "Many of the religious also believe that it was a miracle that Obama was elected.

Posted by: John ryan at March 29, 2009 04:24 PM (LHCAa)"  Haven't heard that, would you please elaborate?  TIA

232 Sheesh. Every year, year after year, at Seder after Seder, Jews ask Ma Nishtana...? "Why is this night different from all other nights?"

Apparently, some of the literal-minded morons on this blog would have us believe that the stupid Jews ask the same questions year after year because they have some sort of brain damage that prevents them from retaining information, and so they keep on forgetting the answer. 

233 Many of the religious also believe that it was a miracle that Obama was elected.

Yep.

234 "A new and interesting kind of analysis of the eyes started in 1979, when Dr. Jose Aste Tonsmann, Ph D, graduated from Cornell University, while working in IBM scanned at very high resolutions a very good photograph, taken from the original, of the face on the tilma. After filtering and processing the digitized images of the eyes to eliminate "noise" and enhance them, he reports he made some astonishing discoveries: not only the "human bust" was clearly present in both eyes, but another human figures were seen as reflected in the eyes too."  http://tinyurl.com/4ou9n
Thanks to Lala in the comments section at RWV: http://tinyurl.com/ctqsbk

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