John McCain, Vindicated
Got to give the guy credit...he called it. Too bad so many guzzled the hopeychangey flavored kool-aid thinking they were one of the 95% that was going to get a tax cut.
Orszag at first dodged the question, saying he was sure the final Obama budget will "reflect a fiscally sustainable path." But the questioner persisted: Are those deficits sustainable? Relenting, Orszag said such deficits, in the range of five percent of the Gross Domestic Product, "would lead to rising debt-to-GDP ratios in a manner that would ultimately not be sustainable." The simple version of that is: If the Congressional Budget Office projections are correct, we're headed for hell in a handbasket. I asked McCain what might happen if Obama and Orszag get their way. First, the U.S. could have to print a lot of new money, "running the huge risk of inflation and returning to the situation of the 1970s, only far worse," McCain said. The second option is to raise taxes. Just this week, former Clinton budget director Alice Rivlin conceded that Obama's budget could present a "scary scenario" that would "raise deficits to unsustainable levels well after the economy recovers." The solution, she wrote, is higher taxes, and not just for the richest of the rich. Of course, that's what McCain said during the campaign. And it's what the much-maligned Joe the Plumber said, too. Remember when he took so much flak for objecting to Obama's plan to raise taxes only on those Americans making more than $250,000 a year? Joe didn't make anything near that, the critics said, so why was he worrying?This is, of course, exactly what Clinton did in his first term: promised tax cuts for the middle class and raised them on everyone. The ad practically writes itself. Just show clips of Obama promising a tax cut for 95% of Americans - shouldn't be too hard to find since he repeated that
To be fair, President Clinton didn't renege on his pledge of a middle-class tax cut. President-elect Clinton did that. He couldn't even wait until he took office to make bad on his word. (My source, by the way, is Bob Rubin's memoir -- hardly a Clinton detractor -- and, of course, he didn't phrase it like I just did.)Happy to be corrected on this point.
Update II Cuffy Meigs, psychic.
Posted by: Gomer at March 27, 2009 08:24 AM (+sBB4)
2 'read my lips' does not help.
Posted by: i'm tired of making up names at March 27, 2009 08:29 AM (NjzoB)
3 You'd think voters would have learned a simple truth by now: you aren't going to get tax cuts anything other than total bullshit lies out of Democrats.
How many times do the "undecided voters" have to get a mouth full of cum before they realise that they're gonna get a mouth full of cum every time.
Posted by: pendejo grande at March 27, 2009 08:31 AM (PXZI9)
4 How about 'read my teleprompter'?
Posted by: Bar at March 27, 2009 08:31 AM (WDySP)
5 Hell, I'm a barely functioning moron and even I knew Obama was full of shit on this one. Anyone who believed him needs a 90% 'too stupid to live' tax levied on them immediately. Congress, get on that please.
Posted by: kefka at March 27, 2009 08:32 AM (fKivs)
6 The tax cut smoke and mirrors act has begun. A little less will be withheld from each paycheck but the rates stay the same, meaning you pay more or get less back in April. This is called a cut by the regime and that term will be echoed by the propaganda machine. Meanwhile tax created inflation and non-income tax increases will be ignored. The net result is you pay more and are told you got a cut.
McCain was a lousy candidate and he would have been a pretty poor President, but he was right in this case. And overall Obama makes him look like a real conservative. That takes a supreme effort.
Posted by: Ken Hahn at March 27, 2009 08:35 AM (18Gd8)
7 Dems. raise taxes and grow government. If you don't understand this then you shouldn't be voting.
I think most Dem. voters know, in fact they hope, this is the case as long as the others get taxed while they receive the government growth.
Whenthe leeches out number the producers= Obama election.
Posted by: Toad at March 27, 2009 08:38 AM (o5vMm)
8 We were *gasp* LIED-TO by a politician? No way!!!
Posted by: apb at March 27, 2009 08:40 AM (4Ac/Q)
9 Remember how as the campaign was winding down the tax threshold kept dropping with each speech then candidate Obama gave? First $250,000, then $200,000, then $150,000 and then $100,000? I think the teleprompter was trying to tell us something.
Posted by: Big Daddy at March 27, 2009 08:40 AM (WE5oS)
No. The voters are Charlie Brown and the Democrats are Lucy: she'll keep pulling the football away, and he'll keep landing flat on his back, sadder but no wiser.
Posted by: Brown Line at March 27, 2009 08:40 AM (VrNoa)
11 Barry lied through his teeth? I'm shocked. Just shocked.
Posted by: TheQuietMan at March 27, 2009 08:44 AM (1Jaio)
12 is anyon watching TP One give an AfPak speech?
Posted by: Anti-Harkonnen Freedom Fighter at March 27, 2009 08:45 AM (5r0Tz)
13 Nobody except us remembers clinton promised to lower taxes, all they remember is "OMG he had a surplus" even though that wasnt true.
Obama's going to raise taxes and blame it on Bush for the deficit he inherited, and the media will repeat that over and over until every single person you start a politics discussion with cites the "Obama inherited Bush's deficit" as fact and that the only way out was to raise taxes. It's going to be Bushs fault for taking away Obama's tax plan.
It is frustrating.
Posted by: Reality Man at March 27, 2009 08:47 AM (zUY2C)
14 Scary news
A United Nations
document on "climate change" that will be distributed to a major
environmental conclave next week envisions a huge reordering of the
world economy, likely involving trillions of dollars in wealth
transfer, millions of job losses and gains, new taxes, industrial
relocations, new tariffs and subsidies, and complicated payments for
greenhouse gas abatement schemes and carbon taxes — all under the
supervision of the world body.
and other results are blandly discussed in a discretely worded United
Nations "information note" on potential consequences of the measures
that industrialized countries will likely have to take to implement the
Copenhagen Accord, the successor to the Kyoto Treaty, after it is
negotiated and signed by December 2009. The Obama administration has
said it supports the treaty process if, in the words of a U.S. State
Department spokesman, it can come up with an "effective framework" for
dealing with global warming.
Posted by: Anti-Harkonnen Freedom Fighter at March 27, 2009 08:48 AM (5r0Tz)
15 The only people who actually believed the Obamanites are the hopelessly idiotic portion of the U.S.. The hardcore Dems who always vote Dem knew he was lying because they know they lie. Their sole aim is, and always has been, to turn the U.S. into a communist oligarchy with them in power.
But does that vindicate McCain. Shit no. He is not much better than they were. All he was good for on the budget shit was screaming about earmarks, voting against the tax cuts with the Dems, and voting for the spending bills that the base hated.
If he disagreed with Obambi’s policies he should have ran a harder and more forceful campaign in which he attacked the Dems for their shit dealing with the CRA/FF problem. He is responsible for these high deficit budgets now because he basically wallowed in shit and gave Bambi the election.
Posted by: Vic at March 27, 2009 08:48 AM (f6os6)
16 Sadly, most of the 52% will buy into his explanation of the reason he has to raise taxes. He will lay the blame at the foot of the Bush administration and then tell the minions that in order to be "the ones we were waiting for", taxes must be raised on everyone. They will buy it and reelect him in 2012. What in the hell happened to our country?
Posted by: kat at March 27, 2009 08:52 AM (S7Xpi)
17 Shocking! You'd think the fact that 95% don't pay income taxes in the first place might have been a fucking clue.
Posted by: Andy at March 27, 2009 08:53 AM (QYJUz)
18 To be fair, President Clinton didn't renege on his pledge of a middle-class tax cut. President-elect Clinton did that. He couldn't even wait until he took office to make bad on his word.
(My source, by the way, is Bob Rubin's memoir -- hardly a Clinton detractor -- and, of course, he didn't phrase it like I just did.)
Posted by: FireHorse at March 27, 2009 08:55 AM (5KNeJ)
19 "You'd think voters would have learned..."
You're almost 100 years out of date.
Posted by: Old Sailor at March 27, 2009 08:55 AM (/Ft4q)
20 How about an ad with Obama repeating that crap about tax cuts for 95% of Americans, and then cutting in with him saying "you've been bamboozled!" at one of his campaign appearances.
Posted by: EC at March 27, 2009 08:57 AM (mAhn3)
21 Rush had a businesswoman caller this week who said she just got the new tax tables that are used by businesses to calculate withholding for payroll. The Corruptocrats have placed a tax rate of 7.62% on the first dollar anyone makes and it goes up from there. On the old tax tables she said that there was no tax until you had made $162.
If that is the case alot of those fools who voted for the 0bamamessiah are in for a very rude awakening. Those on welfare and other gubmint assistance are getting a "raise" so they will be happy.
Posted by: Nahanni at March 27, 2009 08:59 AM (S4wMM)
22 America is about to get the assraping it has asked for. And unlike the untrue rumor about Sarah Palin, Obama is going to make us pay for our own rape kit.
Posted by: Empire of Jeff at March 27, 2009 09:04 AM (dYFTQ)
23 The deficit is actually much, much higher factoring the interest that will have to be paid, and the other elephant in the room that nobody is talking about and that is this -- there will be no growth! If Obama and his admin think that there is going to be some sort of high growth in the economy after he passes his budget (and it will get rammed through) he is smoking crack.
We're looking at 65 trillion or more, almost guaranteed. THAT, is astounding.
We are screwed, big time.
Posted by: JCD at March 27, 2009 09:05 AM (xRoK3)
24 Oh hell! You aren't going to get anything but corruption and cowardice out of the Democrats, and you'd think that voters would have learned that by now as well.
Posted by: CavMedic at March 27, 2009 09:07 AM (UyFYg)
25 Wonder what will happen when that nice lady on you tube who said the prez was going to pay her mortgage learns about this?
Posted by: muffy at March 27, 2009 09:08 AM (zplc6)
26 I remember when Clinton's tax increase passed. He and Carville were high fiving each other and playing grab ass. Clinton bent Carville over a desk, pulled Carville's wallet out of his back pocket, took the cash out and tossed it into the air as they both roared with laughter.
That's what you get from Democrats.
Posted by: RM at March 27, 2009 09:13 AM (1kwr2)
27 Erin Burnett just interviewed Austin Goolsby and he described the republican budget as something that "came out of a fortune cooke" and basically said it was same old same old and parroted all the usual dem rhetoric about republican budgets. But, the interesting part is that he seemed to want to throw the Congress and the Senate under the buss. He boiled BO's agenda down to Education, Helathcare and one other item that escapes me now and said the House and the Senate were piling on.
Posted by: muffy at March 27, 2009 09:14 AM (zplc6)
28 There is no tax cut for anyone. Taxes on corporate earnings and energy get passed along directly to consumers. Inflation is a tax on everyone; the more money the .gov prints, the more of your purchasing power they effectively steal. This is a powerful meme, easy to express and not too difficult to understand, and people will recognize the pain they are feeling when a loaf of bread costs $12.
INFLATION IS TAXATION
Posted by: musical mountaineer at March 27, 2009 09:14 AM (UQuEw)
29 Wonder what will happen when that nice lady on you tube who said the prez was going to pay her mortgage learns about this?
That stupid bitch will have everything paid for her in welfare land.
Posted by: TheQuietMan at March 27, 2009 09:15 AM (1Jaio)
30 Carolyn Maloney is being interviewed by Erin Burnett who asked incredulously "you do represent midtown manhattan and you did vote for the 90% right" and Maloney cringed and said "yes I did". that woman can't look in the camera, what is her problem.
Posted by: muffy at March 27, 2009 09:17 AM (zplc6)
31 and the other elephant in the room that nobody is talking about and that is this -- there will be no growth!
Pretty much. Even McCain says "The second option is to raise taxes." as if that was option B.But this is a sham. There is no second option.
This debt is unsustainable and will result in stagflation, period. Raising taxes won't offset that. Because raising taxes won't actually raise revenue, at least not anywhere near what they're projecting it would.
Posted by: Entropy at March 27, 2009 09:20 AM (m6c4H)
32 We're looking at 65 trillion or more, almost guaranteed. THAT, is astounding.We are screwed, big time.
The talking head class keeps poo pooing talks of socialism but it is almost inevitable if Obama's budget passes. If consumers don't spend and business doesn'tthe gov't has to to fill the void. This leads to higher taxes and even less consumer and business spending.
We are headed in the direction of a centrally planned economy where gov't controls the vast majority of spending and economic direction, from energy to healthcare to financial services.
4 legs good, 2 legs bad.
Posted by: JackStraw at March 27, 2009 09:21 AM (VW9/y)
33 I'm still trying to wrap my head around all this money. Where is it coming from and where is it going?700B TARP, 787B Stimulus, 1T just printed by theFED (can they do that?), and the upcoming budget of 3.6T. I'm not an econ/finance person, but I imagine with the CBO projected deficit numbers, both taxes AND inflation have to happen.
I'm thinking about growing my own veggie garden and breaking out that sewing machine.
Happy Friday Morons!
Posted by: Trish at March 27, 2009 09:22 AM (0U5Kd)
34 Nice Deb predicted it, too, Nov 5, 2008:
So we’ve managed to elect the most leftist candidate, POTUS, in the
history of this country. Now, we’re all supposed to congratulate him,
and wish him well.
I can do neither. I love this country too much, and I do not wish him success in destroying it.
I watched in horror, as Obama lied and cheated his way to this
grotesque result, as the media abetted him, and the populous bought it
hook, line, and sinker. He’s going to lower their taxes!!!
Liars and cheaters are not honorable people, and I cannot support them.
Posted by: Nice Deb at March 27, 2009 09:23 AM (MHx40)
35 and he'll keep landing flat on his back, sadder but no wiser.
Huh? no "me", now? What?
Posted by: wiserbud at March 27, 2009 09:23 AM (IHbof)
36 McCain...isn't he that guy on the Viagra commerical?
Posted by: Milesdei at March 27, 2009 09:25 AM (FS9ko)
37 How about an ad with Obama repeating that crap about tax cuts for 95% of Americans, and then cutting in with him saying "you've been bamboozled!" at one of his campaign appearances.
Or Obama saying "they're running the old okie doke on you!" from the campaign trail. That was when Obama was doing his Denzel Washington impersonation doing his Malcolm X impersonation.
Posted by: Jim King at March 27, 2009 09:25 AM (ATEXb)
Wonder what will happen when that nice lady on you tube who said the prez was going to pay her mortgage learns about this?
She was right.
Posted by: Nice Deb at March 27, 2009 09:28 AM (MHx40)
39 Had McCain opposed the bailout during the campaign, instead of "rushing back to Washington to fix the economy" only then to agree with Obama thatwe HAD tohave a bailout, he'd be the absolute mack-daddy in the Senate right now. His opposition wouldn't have won him the election (at the time he might have even been castigated for opposing it).
But he'd be the Churchill to Obama's Chamberlain today!
Hecould have spent the next two years blasting democrats specifically for being wrong. Alas, the republicans gave the dems the political cover they knew they needed at the time much to many of our chagrins.
Posted by: Blue Balls The Pirate at March 27, 2009 09:29 AM (uw+0A)
40 Since all the idiots signed up by ACORN thought he was going to pay their rent and buy them cars it's important for the media to push this "he inherited" crap 24/7. As they don't get their free cigarettes and tinted windows, they can still blame Bush, knowing that the savior is doing the best he can to redistribute the wealth, destroy the wealth, and "punish the rich."
Question: Why all the hatred of the "rich". I could give a shit is someone is rich--it doesn't make me hate them. Populism crap from the 19th century? They think there is a limited amount of money and if some are rich then they stole it from them? No clue that they're poor from having illigitimate babies, smoking dope, divorce, and not bothering to learn to read or speak english?
Posted by: Haunches at March 27, 2009 09:29 AM (1Fqdk)
41 Oh goody, goody gumdrops!!! Can hardly fucking wait. Too bad the Maverick ran teh wurst campaign EVAH! Who thinks in hindsight that Romney would have been pretty fucking ideal at this point in time? Primaries matter.
Posted by: cacoop at March 27, 2009 09:29 AM (N/k4Z)
42 You know, all I can think about is Grandpa Simpson's reaction when Lisa asked him why he wasn't curious about why he suddenly started receiving checks for no reason "I just figured it was because the Democrats were back in power".
Posted by: alexthechick at March 27, 2009 09:30 AM (SHHaV)
43 Lets not forget that Obama wants to increase the cost on fuel (and not just via asinine "cap and trade" carbon taxes).
That's a cost that everyone, rich and poor, is going to have to bear.
Posted by: looking closely at March 27, 2009 09:30 AM (6Q9g2)
44 If Obama and his admin think that there is going to be some sort of high growth in the economy after he passes his budget (and it will get rammed through) he is smoking crack
Well, to be fair ... he IS doing lots of cocaine. But probably powder.
Posted by: Mr. Obvious at March 27, 2009 09:31 AM (UeswV)
45 He boiled BO's agenda down to Education, Helathcare and one other item that escapes me now
Posted by: huerfano at March 27, 2009 09:31 AM (knHvu)
46 The Unicorn (blessed be her holy hooves) is a fictional female deity.
Like most Goddesses, she's invisible and highly unlikely to exist. However, there is much argument as to her exact color, her shape and size, and other properties of her nonexistence. She burns with anger against theists, and allegedly grinds them beneath her holy hooves.
The "believers" famous sayings about faith in the invisible unicorn is that, like other religions, it is founded in science and faith. Science - that states that she must be invisible, since we cannot see her. Faith - because we know in our heart that the unicorn exists. This is of course a parody of the theological reasoning of other religions.
Posted by: sickinmass at March 27, 2009 09:31 AM (/i4dU)
47 Yeah, but Billy cried real tears when he said he'd have to raise taxes. Does anyone expect Obama to do that?
Posted by: GarandFan at March 27, 2009 09:33 AM (237hA)
48 I think all Americans would trade a little tax increase for an economy like the one we had under Clinton.
Posted by: andros at March 27, 2009 09:35 AM (k39jK)
49 Yeah, but Billy cried real tears when he said he'd have to raise taxes. Does anyone expect Obama to do that?
Yes, but they'll be tears of laughter.
Posted by: Nice Deb at March 27, 2009 09:36 AM (MHx40)
50 @48 - Morning Troll. How's the view from under the bridge?
Posted by: cacoop at March 27, 2009 09:36 AM (N/k4Z)
51 I wonder if McCain, let alone when, will eat his words spoken during the campaign that there's 'nothing scary about Sen. Obama'!
Posted by: eaglewingz08 at March 27, 2009 09:36 AM (RdRrk)
52 cacoop @ 41
Isn't Romney one of "them?" As in, one of those greedy capitalists who are the real problem in this country?
I hear people say that Romney would have been a better candidate (or from liberals that I know, who claim they would have voted R if McCain had chosen him as a running mate, since Palin was so inexperienced) and I ask them how he would have survived September, 2008 what with the vilification of anyone who was in business. Don't you remember Pelosi's Wall St vs. Main St. theme? I'm not arguing that he would have made a better candidate, I'm just thinking that he would have also lost the election.
Posted by: sears poncho at March 27, 2009 09:37 AM (uj/0b)
53 I think all Americans would trade a little tax increase for an economy like the one we had under Clinton.
The bubble that imploded at the end of the 90s? Right.
Posted by: Slublog at March 27, 2009 09:40 AM (qjKko)
54 Sears Poncho @52 -
Not so sure... Romney would never have pulled out of Michigan. He also would have stood on principle against the bailout. Again, speaking from the benefit of hindsight, in that the election was ostensibly decided on the economy, given his standing as an expert on all things financial, Romney may have been able to swing the two or three points necessary to win.
Posted by: cacoop at March 27, 2009 09:41 AM (N/k4Z)
55 You stupid chickenshits! Can't you see that Obama is leading for Patriotism, not profits!
Posted by: John McCain at March 27, 2009 09:42 AM (d2fuu)
56 Erin Burnett just interviewed Austin Goolsby and he described the
republican budget as something that "came out of a fortune cooke" and
basically said it was same old same old and parroted all the usual dem
rhetoric about republican budgets.
Fuckers. I told them. The fucking GOP doesn't get it. That document they released yesterday was a fucking outline. They called it a blueprint. Their press release wasn't kindergarten proof. It should have said "outline" over and over again to prevent the press from treating it like a budget. It's not a budget. They aren't releasing the budget until next week.
If you're a GOPer we really do have shit for brains manning the battle stations in Washington.
Posted by: WTF Capital Investments at March 27, 2009 09:42 AM (AHrTm)
57 I think all Americans would trade a little tax increase for an economy like the one we had under Clinton.
And perhaps another internet bubble too, to help hide the negative impact of the tax increase! That would be fucking awesome!!
andros, you do realize that tax increases actually tend to reduce revenue, right?
I mean, you're not as stupid as..oooo, say ..john ryan, are you?
Posted by: wiserbud at March 27, 2009 09:42 AM (wWwJR)
58 Didn't Clinton sign the Welfare Reform Act in 1996...the one that Obama reversed in the Stimulus? I seem to remember something like that.
Posted by: Nice Deb at March 27, 2009 09:43 AM (MHx40)
59 re; #26
Carville isn' the only one Clinton bent over that desk !!!!
Posted by: manonthestreet at March 27, 2009 09:44 AM (GkYyh)
60 I will give you this, though android... I would take Bill Clinton over the current occupant of 1600 Pennsylvania Ave, any. day.
Posted by: cacoop at March 27, 2009 09:44 AM (N/k4Z)
61 " Don't you remember Pelosi's Wall St vs. Main St. theme? I'm not arguing that he would have made a better candidate, I'm just thinking that he would have also lost the election."
The election was lost in Dec 2000. All the liberals (especially) Al Gore and the Media had a psychotic break when Gore lost Florida. Because of 9-11 which we don't like to mention, it took 8 years instead of 4 to demonize Bush. The constant insane ridiculous assualt lost any Republican the election in 2008.
Posted by: Haunches at March 27, 2009 09:45 AM (1Fqdk)
I will give you this, though android... I would take Bill Clinton over the current occupant of 1600 Pennsylvania Ave, any. day.
I would take Hillary Clinton over the current occupant of 1600 Pennsylvania Ave.
Posted by: V the K at March 27, 2009 09:47 AM (d2fuu)
63 McCain is not vindicated. He was right on one issue, but I'll never forgive him for letting them pile on to Palin after the election. Man has no class as far as I'm concerned. That was not a gentlemanly thing to do, which really saddens me.
Posted by: Mephitis at March 27, 2009 09:47 AM (ehXLT)
Yes he signed it after the third time it made it to his desk and it was veto proof. Now he and the Dems try to take credit for it at the same time they have been steadily undoing it's provisions.
The welfare state is back at levels even larger than it was when that bill was signed.
Posted by: Vic at March 27, 2009 09:47 AM (f6os6)
65 cacoop @ 54
Thanks for the reply. Maybe, but I still don't think he could have overcome the trends. Remember the polls that indicated that people trusted Obama more in terms of national security when compared to McCain? That's some serious koolaid right there. Still, woulda, coulda, shoulda and all that.
Posted by: sears poncho at March 27, 2009 09:48 AM (uj/0b)
66 will give you this, though android... I would take Bill Clinton over the current occupant of 1600 Pennsylvania Ave, any. day.I would take Hillary Clinton over the current occupant of 1600 Pennsylvania Ave
I would take a warm pile of fly-blown dog shit over what is in there now.
Posted by: Vic at March 27, 2009 09:49 AM (f6os6)
67 Yeah, but Billy cried real tears when he said he'd have to raise taxes. Does anyone expect Obama to do that?
He'll probably dance a little jig. Yeah, I know. He's 3% Irish.
Posted by: TheQuietMan at March 27, 2009 09:50 AM (1Jaio)
68 @66 - I would take a warm pile of fly-blown dog shit over what is in there now.
I'm confused... isn't that what is in there now?
Posted by: cacoop at March 27, 2009 09:51 AM (N/k4Z)
69 There is one thing that about 52% of the voters did get . . . a terminal case of STUPID.
Posted by: rplat at March 27, 2009 09:52 AM (C8Klv)
@66 - I would take a warm pile of fly-blown dog shit over what is in there now.
I'm confused... isn't that what is in there now?
Leave Michelle alone! *snif*
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at March 27, 2009 09:55 AM (yzuYS)
71 It's not a budget.
Well, granted...but the full plan won't be a budget either. It's not really intended to be a budget. After all, the GOP knows full well that any legislation they propose has no chance in hell of even making it to the floor for a vote, much less passing -- this "budget" is really more of a bloody shirt to wave during debates on the Senate floor when Democrats complain that the GOP has no real alternatives to propose. It also gives GOPers a way to reconnect to their conservative roots without risking anything. That's one of the good things about being in the minority; you don't have to worry about compromise or watering down your message. Since you don't have to worry about actually getting a bill passed, you can throw in whatever laundry-list of initiatives you want.
I think this is why I have become so bored with politics. Not disenchanted -- I was never in thrall to politics to begin with -- but just tired of it all. I dislike politicians as a breed, and my dislike of the institution grows as the size of the institution grows. But I used to find the political hurlyburly entertaining to some degree; not any more. It's just...boring. Predictable, exasperating, calamitous, and utterly inevitable.
The next step in this miserable community-theater-grade political show is when legislators get intoa fistfight on the House floor or two senators get into a "Your Momma So Fat" contest. At that point, our transition from Democratic Republic to Circus Tent will be complete.
Posted by: Monty at March 27, 2009 09:56 AM (/0a60)
72 Yes he signed it after the third time it made it to his desk and it was
veto proof. Now he and the Dems try to take credit for it at the same
time they have been steadily undoing it's provisions.
That was my point to Android, who was trying to claim that raising taxes in the nineties lead to prosperity. I left out some details.
Posted by: Nice Deb at March 27, 2009 09:56 AM (MHx40)
73 Re 56
Why in the hell isn't this at the top of at least every conservative blog (it should be reported everywhere, but I guess we should be realistic)? I don't think I've heard of that anywhere, but it sure as hell makes a bit more sense. gdmsm
Posted by: MANstreammedia at March 27, 2009 09:58 AM (5q/vg)
74 I kind of, sort of, definitely want the House or the Senate to shift in control. Can we pretend that we want that and support the strategy to get there?
Posted by: WTF Capital Investments at March 27, 2009 09:58 AM (AHrTm)
75 It's almost as if we done went and elected ourselves a Community Organizer as CIC. Surely we didn't do that, did we?
Posted by: nikkolai at March 27, 2009 10:00 AM (4EBUu)
76 After all, the GOP knows full well that any legislation they propose
has no chance in hell of even making it to the floor for a vote, much
less passing -- this "budget" is really more of a bloody shirt to wave
during debates on the Senate floor when Democrats complain that the GOP
has no real alternatives to propose.
I wish they'd stop wasting everyone's time with the Kabuki dance, and just focus on being the "party of no". I'm depending on them to be the party of no. They should be spending their time actually reading these bills, and alerting the public as to what's in them.
Posted by: Nice Deb at March 27, 2009 10:02 AM (MHx40)
77 MANstreammedia: I called the GOP spokespoeple listed on their press release yesterday. They really do not get it. Their release was so vague. It had so many holes in it. I warned them the press would nitpick the shit out of it.
Here today is Austan Goolsbee, a documented fucking liar, that gets to shit all over the GOP outline because the GOP PR staff forgot to massage the shit out every 'Erin Burnett' that ghost walks through the policy debate.
Posted by: WTF Capital Investments at March 27, 2009 10:04 AM (AHrTm)
78 I'm very sorry for all the bad shit. It's my fault.
Posted by: white person with blue eyes at March 27, 2009 10:08 AM (3SIDD)
>I dislike politicians as a breed, and my dislike of the institution grows as the size of the institution grows.
Increasing dependency of the people on government: The classic approach to domination of the people is to first take everything they have away from them, then make them compliant with the demands of the rulers to get anything back again.
Posted by: sickinmass at March 27, 2009 10:09 AM (/i4dU)
80 dont compare big dawg to totus please, there is NO comparison
Big dawg got us a SURPLUS and everyone everyone did well
a bunch of deluded morons gave thing to obama saying he was like big dawg, he isnt
Big dawg was pro business, obaama is not
big dawg ended big govt and rolled back welfare, obama the opposite
and of course GHWBush said no new taxes so I wouldnt bother with that ad
moderate Dems wanted Hillary, then many of us switched to MAC but people like Allahpundit really did nothing to help GOP win...
anywho there is PLENTY to complain about without dragging down Big Dawg mkay?
Posted by: ginaswo/mim at March 27, 2009 10:10 AM (Hnz/h)
81 and of course GHWBush said no new taxes so I wouldnt bother with that ad
Right. A GOP president breaks a promise two decades ago, and that should prevent us from taking the offensive against the current occupant of the White House?
Posted by: Slublog at March 27, 2009 10:12 AM (qjKko)
82 I wish they'd stop wasting everyone's time with the Kabuki dance, and just focus on being the "party of no".
I thought they should make themselves the "party of solutions," but... that's just a little above their pay grade.
Posted by: V the K at March 27, 2009 10:16 AM (d2fuu)
83 Three runaway problems: the FED, Congress and the President in a nation of Constitutional illiterates. I guess that's four, actually.
Posted by: Old Sailor at March 27, 2009 10:18 AM (/Ft4q)
84 and mort kondracke is wondering if Obama will approach the level of fiscal irresponsibility of Bush.
Posted by: ed at March 27, 2009 10:20 AM (Urhve)
85 Big dawg got us a SURPLUS and everyone everyone did well
Well, yeah. But if you gut the military by over 500,000 personnel, $50 billion in annual spending, 80 Navy ships, $ Army divisions, etc., etc., plus ride the internet bubble to nowhere, pretty easy to leave a surplus.
Military and intelligence readiness, as we found out, not so much.
Posted by: JackStraw at March 27, 2009 10:20 AM (VW9/y)
86 I wish they'd stop wasting everyone's time with the Kabuki dance, and
just focus on being the "party of no". I'm depending on them to be the
party of no.
Well...I have to disagree (but softly, NiceDeb, softly).
Simple contrarianism isn't what I want. Given the realities of the situation, the best conservatives can hope for in Congress right now is to rein in the more extremist elements of the Democratic party by allying with the "Blue Dogs" and other centrists. This won't happen if the GOP simply refuses to connect with the Democrats on everything. If all we do is oppose, then we're going to lose it all, and our only comfort (and a cold comfort it will be) will lie in saying "I told you so" after everything burns down.
And Nancy Pelosi in particular holds a grudge like Khomeini. She takes every block and tackle personally, and will pay back in kind. We need some Blue Dogs and Independents like Joe Lieberman to run interference for us. And this they will not do unless some quid pro quo is offered. It's the nature of the business. (And not a bad thing, really. Compromise is why our government has lasted for 230 years.)
Posted by: Monty at March 27, 2009 10:32 AM (/0a60)
87 I sure wish the Republicans wouldn't havestopped Obama from cutting taxes like he wanted to.
Posted by: Lemmiwinks at March 27, 2009 10:39 AM (CiVat)
88 "84 and mort kondracke is wondering if Obama will approach the level of fiscal irresponsibility of Bush."
I would be tears streaming down my face ecstatic and thankful if Obama was even CLOSE tothe financial irresponsibility of the Bush years- It would be a hell of a lotcheaper that what we are getting now!
When your deficit is projected to be several times larger than your income, that isn't a budget, it is stupidity.
When you are spending several times your income after racking up a debt load nearly 8 times your yearly earnings already, It should be a crime!!!!
Posted by: Gerry Owen at March 27, 2009 10:49 AM (oGv5F)
89 #48: I think all Americans would trade a little tax increase for an economy like the one we had under Clinton.
I'm sorry to get all Popperian on you on a Friday, Andros, but I'm the negative instance that disproves your theory.
Intellectual integrity dictates that you modify your statement or discard it.
Posted by: FireHorse at March 27, 2009 10:49 AM (5KNeJ)
90 Democrat voters fell for it AGAIN! Just get some guy who can read well promise some tax cuts and they're all on him like syrup on pancakes.
To be fair, President Clinton didn't renege on his pledge of a middle-class tax cut. President-elect Clinton did that. He couldn't even wait until he took office to make bad on his word.
It's been a long time but I remember about six weeks after inauguration him giving a big lip-biting speech where he declared "I've worked as hard on this as I've worked on anything in my live and I just can't do it, I can't give those tax cuts" or something like that. Was it then after the election?
Posted by: Max Entropy at March 27, 2009 10:51 AM (7FgWm)
91 Well...I have to disagree (but softly, NiceDeb, softly).
Oh, Snap! You are so on the list, now, sucka.
Seriously, is it too much to ask Republicans to object to the expansion if a bill like the Americorps national service plan, which increased federally funded community service jobs from 75,000 to 250,000 at a cost of $5.7 billion. Only 14 Repub Senators dissented on that.
Posted by: Nice Deb at March 27, 2009 11:10 AM (MHx40)
92 Ya say ya wanna revolution.....
Posted by: lowfibass at March 27, 2009 11:10 AM (T1ZAZ)
I think all Americans would trade a little tax increase for an economy like the one we had under Clinton.
Uhm, yeah they would. Even granting you the absurd proposition that Clinton's policies had jack shit to do with the economy surging during his term, Americans are NOT going to be getting a strong economy under Obama in return for a large overall tax increase.
As always, Americans are going to trade tax increases for a larger government increasingly able to smother the private sector. Only this time on a grander scale and faster track than usual.
Let's hear it for Turnips!
Posted by: Deety at March 27, 2009 11:18 AM (1jglO)
94 so - why not some "massive" astroturfing everywhere and anywhere along the lines of :
"As a concerned and loyal democrat, I sure regret ever casting my vote for Obama.Hisincompetence seems to be growing at an alarming rate and his blatant lies to the American people are becoming very concerning. This is not the candidate I thought he was."
Posted by: working_man at March 27, 2009 11:29 AM (XIIo1)
95 Tax increases hurt the economy so trading one for an improved economy is paradoxical.
I would trade a little tax increase for one thing only: improved national defense against the evil islamists. Period.
Posted by: Haunches at March 27, 2009 11:35 AM (1Fqdk)
96 Military and intelligence readiness, as we found out, not so much.
We learnedthatClinton's "peace dividend" was as illusory as those crazy Excite @HomeInternet riches on September 11, 2001.
Posted by: Andy at March 27, 2009 11:36 AM (QYJUz)
97 I worked hard to get McCain elected, and I told everyone I know that BO was going to raise taxes on everyone who was paying them. McCain gets regularly trashed here at Ace's spot, but McCain is not a RINO.
He just recognizes the connection between payoffs and ear marks, and thought that reform would fix the problem...it doomed his candidacy.
McCain is a fiscal conservative with principles, and a war hero to boot. You never doubted that he loves this country. BO on the other hand has an boat load of "issues" that will come back to haunt us.
We just need to get 7% of the people who voted for Obama to flip...not much really. Tax increases will hurt him.
I just would not want to be married to John McCain, that would be risky ...just saying.
Posted by: ford at March 27, 2009 11:49 AM (Ki7fm)
98 Obligatory video from the campaign days: Obama Clinton on middle class tax cuts.
Posted by: Cuffy Meigs at March 27, 2009 11:52 AM (uOvAE)
99 Anyone with rudimentary math skills could have predicted this. However, most voters don't feel doublecrossed. Most Obama voters voted for him so the oceans would stop rising.
Posted by: SalvucciFumbles at March 27, 2009 11:54 AM (YpFxG)
100 The next step in this miserable community-theater-grade political show
is when legislators get into a fistfight on the House floor or two
senators get into a "Your Momma So Fat" contest. At that point, our
transition from Democratic Republic to Circus Tent will be complete.
And so it begins.
Posted by: Monty at March 27, 2009 11:57 AM (/0a60)
101 Have you notice that a few WS Hedgies ahve skipped to new jobs in Canada?
Posted by: muffy at March 27, 2009 12:04 PM (zplc6)
102 All this stuff coming at us fast and furious so that you don't know where to react first, is HC's way of saying "I told you so".
Posted by: muffy at March 27, 2009 12:05 PM (zplc6)
103 Brilliant video, Cuffy. That mofo, Obama....Gah!
Posted by: Nice Deb at March 27, 2009 12:09 PM (MHx40)
104 Mclame voted with Dems on nearly EVERY major issue. He is a fucking RINO and FUCK him.
Posted by: Vic at March 27, 2009 12:20 PM (f6os6)
105 but McCain is not a RINO
McCain-Feingold: Shitting on the constitution
McCain-Kennedy: Shitting on the very definition of what it means to be an American
McCain-Lieberman: Shitting on my kids' future economic wellbeing to fight a nonexistent problem
Sorry to break it to you, but McCain's picture is beside the dictionary definition of RINO.
Posted by: Andy at March 27, 2009 12:27 PM (QYJUz)
106 Ford, I agree with you on McCain. He is a genuine hero and a principled and honorable man; he is flawed but who isn't ? I for one enthusiasticly supported him and I'm tired of those who bash him and try to blame him for losing the election.
Posted by: Joan at March 27, 2009 12:27 PM (ChQNq)
107 Let's face it: there isn't much that can be done to excuse or vindicateJohn McCain. Not after voting for the Obama Youth program.
This is the GIVE Act, which will expand the Americorps program from 75,000 to 250,000 at a cost of $5.7 billion, and:
...also calls for “youth engagement zones” in which “service learning” is “a mandatory part of the curriculum in all of the secondary schools served by the local educational agency.” This updated form of voluntary community service is also to be “integrated into the science, technology, engineering and mathematics curricula” at all levels of schooling.
In other words, having socialist green propaganda shoved down our kid's throats won't be voluntary, whether or not they're in the program.
This bill passed the House, with the assistance of no less than 70 Republican House members. It passed the Senate 79-19 with the help of 22 Republican Senators, including John McCain.
Posted by: cdomino at March 27, 2009 12:29 PM (i7ZAU)
108 "I'd rather lose an election than lose a war."
He said that in the face of a deteriorating situation in which even Republicans were starting to go wobbly on Iraq. He said that with an approaching election in which the Dem candidates were hitching their success on hoping for Iraq's failure. And he said that while pushing for the Surge while his son was in Marine boot camp and facing deployment to Iraq.
I'll always respect that crazy old bastard for that.
Posted by: stace at March 27, 2009 12:38 PM (g/wgk)
109 Fist fights on the floor of the Senate? I'll have to start DVRing CSPAN.
But to nudge the hostilityto PPV (and the revenue stream would be similar to Cali legalizing MJ) we need duels. Barney Frank and Bill O'Reilly. Dick Cheney and Pat Leahy. Sarah Palin and Katie Couric. All true conservatives should be in favor of returning to the duel to settle matters of honor (on those few occasions when honor comes into play in our government).
Posted by: EBJ at March 27, 2009 12:41 PM (ocHBO)
110 That wasn't the choice, stace. He lost an election, and we're going to walk on an ally again.
You might call Vietnam an aberration. I call it a warning, to anyone who would trust us, ever.
Nice country we had here.
Posted by: MarkD at March 27, 2009 12:51 PM (MMy4A)
111 Considering how much Vic hates John McCain, its a good thing he's never heard of Arlen Specter. I shudder to think of the invective we'd see here.
Posted by: klrtz1 at March 27, 2009 01:42 PM (EutzL)
112 The next time some hippie chick on TV claims "conservatives are haters", if you're honest with yourself and remember Vic and Blue Balls and Andy, you'll have to say to yourself, yes, they are. Some "conservatives" hate John McCain with a passion that is impossible for me to understand. They can't see anything good about him and magnify his faults all out of proportion. Walking, talking advertisements for conservatism, they are.
Posted by: klrtz1 at March 27, 2009 02:00 PM (EutzL)
113 Mac reflects on the campaign:
Posted by: Mr. Wednesday Night at March 27, 2009 02:01 PM (7dXKM)
114 Vindicated, hell no! He voted for forced servitude yesterday.
Posted by: lonestargirl at March 27, 2009 02:05 PM (bZtsh)
115 McCain believes in AGW, crushing political speech, and "reaching across the aisle".
McCain has made a career of sticking his thumb in our eye every chance he got.
The only reason I voted for him was because giving Nancy and Harry a free pass scared the shit out of me.
Needless to say, I'm empty.
Posted by: brian at March 27, 2009 02:56 PM (cPWTF)
116 klrtz1, where did I ever say I "hate" McCain? For God's sake, I gave the man's campaign $4,600 of my hard-earned money and voted for him to boot.
But McCain-Feingold IS an assault on the first amendment. And McCain-Kennedy WAS amnesty. And McCain-Lieberman WAS a gigantic tax proposal based on the false premise that manmade CO2 causes global warming.
So, spare me the "hater" bullshit.
Posted by: Andy at March 27, 2009 03:00 PM (QYJUz)
117 I would like to thank the people who have realized that McCain would have been a much better POTUS than most of the" leadership" currently in the GOP...Palin was a great pic, and a fresh startfor the Republicans...
if McCain as POTUS had done 1/5 of the crazy shit that BO has done, the MSM would be puking like Linda Blair in the Exorcist...
it is sad that so many here spend any time and effort trashing Mac.
Posted by: ford at March 27, 2009 03:00 PM (Ki7fm)
118 ford -
Mac THREW THE FUCKING ELECTION.
He had it in his grasp. His own people were engaged in trashing his running mate.
How many people do you know that said "I'm voting for Obama because that Palin woman just isn't ready for the national stage"? I know dozens.
If he hadn't thrown the election, then MAYBE we'd have a chance of stopping Harry and Nancy from walking off with all our cash. Now? Not so much.
Posted by: brian at March 27, 2009 03:09 PM (cPWTF)
119 I hate Obama. FUCK him!
And I hate McCain also! FUCK HIM TOO!!!
and...and I hate Ace as well!!!! SCREW YOU ACE!!!
I HATE YOU TOO, the people reading this!!
And I hate myself, while I am at it!!
FUCK ME MOST OF ALL!!!!
There, I think I've pretty much covered all the bases!
Posted by: i hate everybody!!! at March 27, 2009 07:36 PM (uSh7j)
120 I'm thinking about growing my own veggie garden and breaking out that sewing machine.
Happy Friday Morons!
Posted by: Trish at March 27, 2009 09:22 AM (0U5Kd)
Trish, just a thought; but that sewing machine comment had me thinking. Have you thought of producing lace wigs? I've heard they're hot sellers, could be an emerging market.
Posted by: Gekkobear at March 30, 2009 12:32 AM (lAPaG)
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