Elections Have Consequences*...EPA Set To Regulate Just About Everything In The Name Of So-Called "Global Warming"

The Environmental Protection Agency sent a proposal to the White House on Friday finding that global warming is endangering the public's health and welfare, according to several sources, a move that could have far-reaching implications for the nation's economy and environment.
..."This is historic news," said Frank O'Donnell, who heads the public watchdog group Clean Air Watch. "It will set the stage for the first-ever national limits on global warming pollution. And it is likely to help light a fire under Congress to get moving."
But business groups decried the move as an economic disaster.
"By moving forward with the endangerment finding on greenhouse gases, EPA is putting in motion a set of decisions that may have far-reaching unintended consequences," said Bill Kovacs, vice president of environment, technology and regulatory affairs at the U.S. Chamber of Commerce. "Specifically, once the finding is made, no matter how limited, some environmental groups will sue to make sure it is applied to all aspects of the Clean Air Act.
"This will mean that all infrastructure projects, including those under the president's stimulus initiative, will be subject to environmental review for greenhouse gases. Since not one of the projects has been subjected to that review, it is possible that the projects under the stimulus initiative will cease. This will be devastating to the economy."

Once again the giant shiny thing in the sky could not be reached for comment about the Earth's temperature.

Obama said he was getting politics out of science. Unfortunately he's simply replacing it with blind faith since the data surely doesn't support his 'scientific' positions.

The Chamber of Commerce guy is undoubtedly right, enviros will use this finding to tie anything they don't like up in the courts for a good long time. Aside from delays and costs, it will simply mean a great deal of normal activity will not be a matter for free people to decide individually or through their elected representatives but rather in courts.

What could go wrong?

*In fairness, I'm not absolutely convinced a President McCain wouldn't have done the same thing. I guess in this case 'elections' includes primaries.

Posted by: DrewM. at 01:15 PM

Comments

1 Why do I feel like I am being kicked, once daily, in the banana?

Posted by: kidney at March 23, 2009 01:19 PM (FgUFX)

"And it is likely to help light a fire under Congress to get moving."

I'd like to ask what the evironmental impact of that filthy, pollution-spewing fire is going to be, and how Frank O'Donnel will atone for his besmirchment of Mother Gaia...

Posted by: reason at March 23, 2009 01:20 PM (5npD/)

Auto Racing should clearly be banned. Should be a big winner with Moderates.

Since CO2 is a pollutant, all pro sports leagues should also be gotten rid of.

Posted by: Pelvis at March 23, 2009 01:23 PM (LlaBi)

Drudge has a story on the Gov. buying Chinese condoms,

Expect lead poisonings to rise.

Posted by: kidney at March 23, 2009 01:23 PM (FgUFX)

5 The stereo in the Oval Office must be playing The Black-Eyed Peas' "Let's Get Retarded" 24/7.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at March 23, 2009 01:24 PM (Hy1bj)

6 You WILL be politically correct, AND politically pure! The One has spoken. The seas will stop their rise and the air will be cleansed. The unicorn will once again appear and dance on dewy green carpets of grass under puffy white clouds.

Posted by: GarandFan at March 23, 2009 01:24 PM (237hA)

"This will mean that all infrastructure projects, including those under the president's stimulus initiative, will be subject to environmental review for greenhouse gases. Since not one of the projects has been subjected to that review, it is possible that the projects under the stimulus initiative will cease. This will be devastating to the economy."

If true, the move will cause Obama's administration to experience even more chaos, anarchy and incompetence.

Just sit back and watch the fun, folks!!!

Posted by: effinayright at March 23, 2009 01:24 PM (Odl8J)

8 I cannot be the only one that sees this as a good thing.

Finally we will be forced to have a real airing of the data, since that sort of economic dead weight will not be swallowed lightly by the public. This spells the end of the AGW faith.

Worst case: Restrictions are passed and the economy suffers even more that it otherwise would under Obama's Socialist programs.

Upside: Guaranteed 2010 transition of power.

Now we need to be sure we are putting forward the best candidates (and that does NOT mean the mythical "most likely to win" candidates).

Posted by: krakatoa at March 23, 2009 01:24 PM (/FUhT)

9 Off-topic, but the Special Olympics just called my business asking for a donation for the Summer Games. I gave them one and told them that they could thank the President for making the decision easier. Would love to see if their donations rise after this.

Posted by: freemo at March 23, 2009 01:25 PM (HRxjM)

10 That's it, since my congressman is Fuckhead Murtha, there's no way in hell I would get this done, but if anybody has a conservative representative, it's time for drastic measure. Ask them to propose a bill stating that anybody who believes in manmade global cooling warming climate change must immediately stop producing CO2 or else be found as guilty as any corporation of pollution and punished to the fullest extent of the law. This idiocy must be shown for what it is.

Posted by: paranoidpyro at March 23, 2009 01:26 PM (RLwyY)

The worst possible people are in complete control at the worst possible time.

Surely andros would agree with that.

Y'know, I know they're doing this to screw us over for having the gall to elect George Bush to two terms but aren't they fucking up their own economy too? Is this all just rich untouchable liberals fucking up the economy for revenge?

If only there were some kind of opposition party....

Posted by: Eleven at March 23, 2009 01:26 PM (7DB+a)

12 Well, i think Obama will just exempt all O-branded "recovery" projects. MSM catching on a little to the O-branding:

As they point out, it is one very big �O.� Know any politicians whose name starts with �O�?

�The Obama �O� logo helped brand the then-senator on the campaign trail, and now Mode Project, the same Chicago firm that had a hand in that design, has returned to help him brand the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act,� the LA Times writes.

And there are eight stars in the top left quadrant . . . �If I were to take a guess, it might be one star for every year Obama will be in power -- but maybe that's just being optimistic,� said Armin Vit, a New York-based graphic designer who, according the newspaper, �specializes in corporate rebranding.�

Posted by: Anti-Harkonnen Freedom Fighter at March 23, 2009 01:27 PM (5r0Tz)

Any elected official who uses the term "global warming" or any derivative thereof shoud be targeted for removal from office asap. They have been brainwashed.

How much more of this insanity can we take?

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at March 23, 2009 01:28 PM (ZGhSv)

14 "This will mean that all infrastructure projects, including those under the president's stimulus initiative, will be subject to environmental review for greenhouse gases. Since not one of the projects has been subjected to that review, it is possible that the projects under the stimulus initiative will cease. This will be devastating to the economy."

LOL, what a bunch of assholes!

The EPA should be abolished. Environut lawsuits should be
outlawed.

Posted by: izoneguy at March 23, 2009 01:29 PM (3k9TU)

15 Per AIG, because "it's all about AIG": http://tinyurl.com/dj3c3k

Posted by: just flabergasted at March 23, 2009 01:29 PM (zplc6)

16 How can the EPA regulate everything? I thought that was the Treasury Department's job.

Posted by: Phinn at March 23, 2009 01:29 PM (KsV5w)

17 "4

Drudge has a story on the Gov. buying Chinese condoms,

Expect lead poisonings to rise.

Posted by: kidney at March 23, 2009 01:23 PM (FgUFX)"

I thought pregnancies would rise as people wouldn't use them cause they may not be suitable for Americans (ie we would have to have jumbo?)

Posted by: just flabergasted at March 23, 2009 01:31 PM (zplc6)

18 So this is it then. We're going to die.

Posted by: Arthur Dent at March 23, 2009 01:31 PM (cPWTF)

19 Posted by: Phinn at March 23, 2009 01:29 PM (KsV5w)

Apparently they've reach a power sharing agreement. I understand Jimmy Carter was the UN appointed mediator.

Posted by: DrewM. at March 23, 2009 01:31 PM (hlYel)

20 We need a Republican advocacy group to file suit under this action against all of the wasteful stimulus projects.

Just because they budgeted the money doesn't mean its obligated and spent.

Posted by: Jean at March 23, 2009 01:31 PM (L64A6)

21 We're gonna need a bigger Government...

Posted by: Sherrif Brody at March 23, 2009 01:31 PM (7DB+a)

22 Don't worry guys. I'm putting this aside for now to focus on nationalizing the healthcare system health security for all Americans.

Posted by: Tele Prompter at March 23, 2009 01:32 PM (B+HYX)

23 "This will mean that all infrastructure projects, including those under the president's stimulus initiative, will be subject to environmental review for greenhouse gases. Since not one of the projects has been subjected to that review, it is possible that the projects under the stimulus initiative will cease. This will be devastating to the economy."

ORLY?

So Dear Leader Obama's "arbeit macht frei" make-work programs will be thwarted by his hug-a-polar-bear, Green Weenie Squad.

And this is supposed to be a disaster for the economy?

Posted by: DelD at March 23, 2009 01:33 PM (HYdva)

see, this is the problem with the stimulus bill. the govt. gives money to a state to build X (new school, new road or bridge). But alas, there is carbon dioxide present which slows up the entire process & demands that millions more be spent to eliminate that awful old carbon dioxide which we exhale every second.

so now the state has a 1/2 finished X (new school, new road or whatever). so now the state has to finish the project. the tax payers pay twice.

cap 'n trade under a different guise

Posted by: kelley in virginia at March 23, 2009 01:34 PM (g568/)

25 I wonder how the market will react to this.

Posted by: Jean at March 23, 2009 01:34 PM (L64A6)

26 The Punch Drunk President has done more to harm this country than any President since ever. And he did it all in 60 days.

Posted by: Reiver at March 23, 2009 01:35 PM (Yi1Sk)

27 i'm beginning to really hate the bambi administration & all of Congress.

Posted by: kelley in virginia at March 23, 2009 01:36 PM (g568/)

28 It's like the special olympics.

Posted by: lorien1973 at March 23, 2009 01:36 PM (IhQuA)

Ha hahaahaaaahaaaa... heh ... hee hee...

C'mon ya gotta have a sense of humor about this.. right?

Posted by: Yup ....I won. at March 23, 2009 01:36 PM (7DB+a)

So, we'll soon ahve a return of National Recovery Admin posters in businesses, this time for those selected by the EPA to be "global warming friendly"? Also known as "Democratic party supporters" or those convenently involved in the "stimulus"?

What a joke.

Posted by: Doc at March 23, 2009 01:37 PM (tqHDd)

31
The American political class has decided that they cannot sufficiently control us unless they can issue licenses to use fire.

That is what this is about; absolute control over the most basic of human productive and commercial activities.

Time for the torches and pitchfork march on DC. Yes, even if the torches have been banned.

Posted by: Ronsonic at March 23, 2009 01:38 PM (ywSvi)

Can enough food be shipped into DC by horse drawn and ox drawn wagons to keep everybody fed? Cause that's my idea of what ought to be the first step in eliminating polutants. Except that cows have been known to fart alot. So forget the ox drawn wagons.

So how much food can be shipped into DC by horse drawn wagon and Segways that were charged up using only wind driven electricity? Not enough? Hungry are ya? To fuckin' bad, bitches. The health of Gaia comes first.

Posted by: pendejo grande at March 23, 2009 01:39 PM (PXZI9)

I think the pinkos who are so worried about global warming and carbon footprints should put their money where their mouths are and take their own lives.

We could then bury their corpses in concrete to ensure no carbon dioxide is released as they decompose.

Posted by: Blogluddite at March 23, 2009 01:39 PM (fDWFP)

34 In the Obama administration, the left hand's head is up the right hand's ass.

Posted by: Andrew the Noisy at March 23, 2009 01:41 PM (V0QP1)

35
So, let's see ... Congress mandates that state and local governments spend a trillion dollars on bullshit make-work projects in order to get the economy moving again.

At the same time, an agency mandated by Congress is gearing up to sue the shit out of any other government agency that does anything that in any way, shape, or form emits CO² into the atmosphere.

So, Congress both spends stimulus money, and spends more money to ensure that nothing gets done. It reminds me of one of those elaborate machines that were so popular with avant garde artists in the 1950s: they'd turn the thing on, and the wheels would spin, and the gears would turn, and it would tear itself to pieces. Shiny!

Posted by: Brown Line at March 23, 2009 01:41 PM (VrNoa)

36 It is no wonder that I have to backorder a Mossberg 590.

The crazy is coming. The crazy is going to happen. It's coming. Very soon.

Posted by: Sam at March 23, 2009 01:42 PM (ZNRFN)

37 Nope, no concrete. Gives off CO₂ don't you know?

I find it hard to believe that this government just shot itself in the foot. I mean, Obama's supposed to be the Smartest President Evar!

Are you sure that this isn't just some intoxicated nightmare I'm having? What are you people doing in my dreams?

Posted by: brian at March 23, 2009 01:42 PM (cPWTF)

Also unavailable for comment, Mt. Redoubt.

However, I'm sure they are busily looking for a way to tax the heck out of Alaska for daring to allow such an environmental disaster to take place.

Posted by: ParanoidInSeattle at March 23, 2009 01:43 PM (AJ4xq)

39 I am really pissed at Gov Sarah Palin. She let that volcano in Alaska erupt and spew all that CO2 and ash into the autmosphere so now global warming will get worse. But not until after it gets better, you know, because of all the ash, so that'll make things cooler, but then, Then THEN, It'll get so hot it'll fry your eyeballs right in your head!! See, SEE what happens when you let a Rethuglican run anything!?!

Posted by: Bill Ciz at March 23, 2009 01:44 PM (ymwj3)

40 waf

Posted by: John Cleese at March 23, 2009 01:44 PM (O7Waf)

41 What does Kovacs mean "unintended" consequences?

Posted by: Attila (Pillage Idiot) at March 23, 2009 01:46 PM (AhKHf)

42 i pity the fool that tries to tell my wife she can't use the fireplace....

Posted by: redc1c4 at March 23, 2009 01:46 PM (sT30R)

43 lets ask the places in Oregon that have 20% unemployment, how thats working out for them?

Posted by: slizzle at March 23, 2009 01:48 PM (zG+3k)

44 I always ask these questions of the "climate change" alarmists, and I never get a good answer back.

1. Why is global warming (assuming that it is indeed happeneing) a bad thing? Has the earth been warmer in the past? If so, then what is the "correct" temperature? If you don't know, then how will we know when the "problem" is "solved"? Do we have the technology to reverse the warming of the earth, even assuming that future emissions are reduced?

2. If the two biggest future emitters of carbon into the earth's atmosphere are India and China, how will passing laws in the United States (and applicable only in the United States) offset the increasing emissions from China and India?

3. If it is an axiom that a nation's GDP is closely tied to it's use of energy (either directly or indirectly), then how will the inevitable reduction in energy inputs and outputs under most environmental schemes be offset by "new technologies"? Are these "new technologies" able to fully replace the burning of fossil fuels as a source of energy? If not, is it the position of the global-warming clique that a smaller global economy is an acceptable trade-off for reduced carbon emissions?

4. Given the relatively short baseline and questionable accuracy of monitoring data, isn't it possible that the data has been misinterpreted? There is obviously political bias at play (both pro and con), so wouldn't the prudent course of action be to establish a longer and more accurate baseline before committing to national policy goals?

Posted by: Monty at March 23, 2009 01:50 PM (/0a60)

45 so now the state has a 1/2 finished X (new school, new road or whatever). so now the state has to finish the project. the tax payers pay twice.

Sounds exactly like the Belmont Learning Complex saga in L.A.
It "became a symbol of dysfunction for the Los Angeles Unified School District. The construction project led to investigations, commissions, hearings and demonstrations. It was battled over, delayed, canceled, partially demolished and redesigned over 15 years."

Posted by: Chimney Sweep #8 at March 23, 2009 01:50 PM (kIjlp)

46 I know how I want to use the gallows and it ain't for humor.

Posted by: polynikes at March 23, 2009 01:52 PM (m2CN7)

47 I'm not familiar with the basic chemestry of modern cartridge powder, but wouldn't every type of ammo release carbon as well (when fired)?

Posted by: Chubby Gene at March 23, 2009 01:53 PM (0udxW)

48 47 I'm not familiar with the basic chemestry of modern cartridge powder, but wouldn't every type of ammo release carbon as well (when fired)?

I think that carbon creation is offset if the ammo hits a live target and takes another carbon-producer out of the food chain.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at March 23, 2009 01:54 PM (Hy1bj)

49 Jean, the markets are reacting very well to the toxic asset plan. Mostly because there's some information to work with. Anything that gets those off the companies balance sheets will be a huge improvement. We'll never see the hidden effect of lost investment opportunities under the EPA regulation proposed.

Posted by: XBradTC at March 23, 2009 01:55 PM (u9zH7)

50 Posted by: Monty at March 23, 2009 01:50 PM (/0a60)

Yeah, I do the same and I either get yelled at for not believing in 'science' or looked at like I just said the Queen of England is $3 whore.

The GW cultists are just that. They can't be reasoned out of a positioned they weren't reasoned into.

Posted by: DrewM. at March 23, 2009 01:56 PM (hlYel)

51 I'm actually more pissed off at Republicans. It used to be that more people understood the concept of trade-offs and that it was implicit in their voting choices. Now the left says whatever the fuck they want and all kinds of stupid people actually believe their bullshit that the same party pushing through ridiculous spending, inevitably higher taxes, excessive regulation including environmental ones and changes the rules whenever they feel like is actually the party that can lead to economic growth and prosperity. How the fuck does this happen? About the only humor I find in this is how many moron liberals I know with good jobs who are clueless about how they've fucked themselves by dimwittedly going along with all this.

Posted by: Abe Froman at March 23, 2009 01:57 PM (fkgyi)

48 I think that carbon creation is offset if the ammo hits a live target and takes another carbon-producer out of the food chain.

It's the ultimate in carbon offsets hmmmmm? Good thinking.

Posted by: Chubby Gene at March 23, 2009 01:57 PM (0udxW)

53 I received a link to Gwyneth Paltrow's blog. She writes about Madonna's favorite books (madonna can read?), hibiscus sea salt, some god awful tofu dinosaur shaped food and her bowel movements.

What is the parallel here ... Obama is what we get when Gwyneth Paltrow picks our president.

Posted by: Long Island at March 23, 2009 01:57 PM (/QzyE)

54 As they point out, it is one very big �O.� Know any politicians whose name starts with �O�?

Look at the recovery.gov logo counterclockwise: In the upper right corner is a huge unused space. In the upper left, night has fallen on America. Lower left: A three-leaved plant -- poison ivy. And in the lower right, gears of the wrong size that cannot mesh.

Perfectly summarizes the Clusterfuck Administration, in my opinion.

Posted by: AmishDude at March 23, 2009 01:59 PM (T0NGe)

55 Brad, I was thinking companies that are carbon sinks, ie paper firms who plant lots of trees, would go up in value as they would be take over targets for carbon producers. Or has Soros already moved those markers.

Posted by: Jean at March 23, 2009 01:59 PM (L64A6)

56 She writes about Madonna's favorite books (madonna can read?), hibiscus sea salt, some god awful tofu dinosaur shaped food and her bowel movements.

She has bowel movements? Huh. I sort of assumed that she had evolved beyond having to take a crap.

Posted by: Monty at March 23, 2009 02:00 PM (/0a60)

57 Jean, most companies try to stay within a core competency, and meshing like that has inherent inefficiencies. That's part of the rational behind a carbon trading market, to trade the offsets, rather than have to go through an acquisition. Never mind it is all still just a fancy means of taxation.

Posted by: XBradTC at March 23, 2009 02:03 PM (u9zH7)

"Elections Have Consequences"

No, actually in this case they don't.

The Old Fart also was a believer in the global warming myth so we probably would have had these regulations anyway.

Probably worse since since the rinos and repubs would have been 'honor' bound to support the 'old gray nag' so there would have been no chance of any legislative resistance.

Posted by: Mark E at March 23, 2009 02:04 PM (w5RwR)

59 yes apparently Gwyneth shits. Well to be accurate she calls it detoxification.
Good bowel movements are very much in vogue.

BTW her blog is called GOOP.

Posted by: Long Island at March 23, 2009 02:06 PM (/QzyE)

60 She has bowel movements? Huh. I sort of assumed that she had evolved beyond having to take a crap.

It's a form of evolution in which her bowel movements are all oral, in the form of pro-Global Warming and anti-Capitalist sentiments.

(Remember, her husband is the front-man for Coldplay, who pissed and moaned about how the record company EMI blamed him for lower earnings than projected due to the delay of his album.

His whining included the following: "I think shareholders are the greatest evil of this modern world. Deadlines mean nothing to us. We'll sink the whole company if we have to.")

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at March 23, 2009 02:06 PM (Hy1bj)

61 Brad, Wouldn't a set of top level LLC shells do the same thing? Why expose yourself to the vagaries of an unknown market if you can keep yourself neutral (or limit your market exposure). Until the cap-n-trade crap has a few years of history behind it, who would want to bet the farm on the "value" of those credits.

Posted by: Jean at March 23, 2009 02:07 PM (L64A6)

62 she calls it detoxification

Yeah, well, I just took a massive taco-and-beer detox, so you might want to stay away from the can for the next half-hour or so.

Posted by: Monty at March 23, 2009 02:12 PM (/0a60)

63 I suspect we'll be seeing a new design for the Come and take it! flags. Instead of a cannon, it'll feature Dave in Texas' BBQ grill.

Posted by: I R A Darth Aggie at March 23, 2009 02:15 PM (1hM1d)

64 Yeah, well, I just took a massive taco-and-beer detox, so you might want to stay away from the can for the next half-hour or so.

So, no open flames, huh?

Posted by: I R A Darth Aggie at March 23, 2009 02:15 PM (1hM1d)

65 27 i'm beginning to really hate the bambi administration & all of Congress.

It's taken you this long? I've hated Obama forever. Or at least since Iowa.

/on the positive, the more rational Dems I know are now experiencing buyer remorse, and I get to go around feeling all smug and superior

Posted by: shibumi at March 23, 2009 02:17 PM (tZB/c)

66 44 I always ask these questions of the "climate change" alarmists, and I never get a good answer back.

Do not reason with a people who are brainwashed. It's a waste of your time and they find it annoying.

Posted by: shibumi at March 23, 2009 02:19 PM (tZB/c)

67 Feh.

How will the cops enforce the bans when cars and guns are outlawed? They won't even be able to fart in my general direction without violating their own regulations.

I have 50,000 gallons of hidden diesel storage and uncharted caves full of vehicles and ammo. I, for one, welcome the opportunity to become your new outlaw overlord.

Posted by: Troll Feeder at March 23, 2009 02:19 PM (3QVkA)

68 Don't make me get tough with you!

You know how tough this VP can be?

Posted by: Vice President Joseph Biden at March 23, 2009 02:20 PM (NLtVk)

69 After all I went through, you ungrateful bastards are just going to let these retarded luddites piss away my gift to you?

You can't take on a waterheaded,empty-suit, "messiah", marketing gimmick?

Pussies.

_{Is there some one who can do something about this bird for me, huh? I mean, this shit gets old after awhile.}

Posted by: Prometheus at March 23, 2009 02:21 PM (1jglO)

If the data does not fit, that is because you are not being patient enough, give them time and they will make the proper adjustments to the data so that it will fit.

http://tinyurl.com/dnn7y3

Because apparently, that is what you do now in science, adjust the raw data to fit your hypothesis.

Posted by: AndrewsDad at March 23, 2009 02:22 PM (C2//T)

71 #70 Well how else to you justify Government funding, they are paying for predicted results - if can't deliver the predicted results then how can they evaluate you for the next round of funding. It's simple.

Posted by: Jean at March 23, 2009 02:27 PM (L64A6)

#69

Hey, you didn't want me to just kill the bird, you wanted me to throw you into the Fires of Olympus.

I didn't complain because I got to use your ashes to increase my strength.

Besides, it really doesn't matter because in the end, there will be only chaos!

Posted by: Kratos (on the back of Gaia, scaling Mt Olympus) at March 23, 2009 02:28 PM (9hSKh)

73 Wouldn't a simple solution, rather than challenging the proposal once enacted, would be to file lawsuits against every project, that's going on, including local, state and federal projects, using this new guideline? That alone would shut down every Robert C. Byrd memorial building in West Virginia currently under design or construction (Doesn't the C stand for Cyclops?). Hell, it might even sht down or delay every pork project going on.

Wouldn't that be like have them going John Galt by their own regulations?

Posted by: David in San Diego at March 23, 2009 02:43 PM (GF+6V)

74 #72

I didn't mean for you to literally toss me into the Fires of Olympus. I was in a bad place then and you knew it. Besides, you never heard of sarcasm?

Douche.

Posted by: Prometheus at March 23, 2009 02:45 PM (1jglO)

Shutting down every government project by using the left's environmental laws.

I LIKE IT!

Posted by: AndrewsDad at March 23, 2009 02:53 PM (C2//T)

Common sense from mathematician Freeman Dyson on climate change.

1. On bogus climate models: http://tinyurl.com/4725b3

2. On stratospheric cooling: http://tinyurl.com/cecxd9

Posted by: Wm T Sherman at March 23, 2009 02:54 PM (w41GQ)

77 Sherman, stop making sense

Posted by: Jean at March 23, 2009 03:00 PM (L64A6)

78 Dave @ 73, see my #20 -- until it actually gets spent - we can roll it back. So a series of court actions, bid protests, etc until 2010 could save our grandkids alot of cash.

Posted by: Jean at March 23, 2009 03:01 PM (L64A6)

79 Possession of a bag of charcoal or backyard grill will result in being charged as a "climate criminal".

Posted by: Purple Avenger at March 23, 2009 03:08 PM (Ygf78)

80 Come on people can't we get back to the important things...like AIG bonuses?

Posted by: Unamerican hate mongering evil libertarian at March 23, 2009 03:13 PM (DnuJz)

81 Hey, have I mentioned I lost my job in the energy sector as a result of Obama and Chu?

I think I only have mentioned it six or seven times around here. The fact I keep mentioning it in relation to Obama's screwed up energy and environment plan points out to me, that Obama still has not gotten the message that his administration is helping to kick the can of recession down the road.

Posted by: JamesT at March 23, 2009 03:25 PM (blYjC)

CALLING ALL MORONS:

REPORT TO THE TEA PARTY IN YOUR CITY ON APRIL 15TH!

Posted by: 7HEAVENS at March 23, 2009 03:46 PM (5wJzi)

always ask these questions of the "climate change" alarmists, and I never get a good answer back.

I'll just stick with asking them why Greenland is named"Green" land.

Posted by: kidney at March 23, 2009 03:49 PM (FgUFX)

The next big scare is getting prepped

Global static electricity cause by the sun One big Solar Flare Will wipe out the power grid. (NewScientist) And the important piece: Man is the cause of letting it happen.

Or, my tin foil hat, this is the cover story for an EMP event?

Over the last few decades, western civilisations have busily sown the seeds of their own destruction. Our modern way of life, with its reliance on technology, has unwittingly exposed us to an extraordinary danger: plasma balls spewed from the surface of the sun could wipe out our power grids, with catastrophic consequences.

The projections of just how catastrophic make chilling reading. "We're moving closer and closer to the edge of a possible disaster," says Daniel Baker, a space weather expert based at the University of Colorado in Boulder, and chair of the NAS committee responsible for the report.

Or they need something to replace AGW as a catastrophe that demands the extraction of trillions in taxpayer reparations.

Posted by: Cromagnum at March 23, 2009 03:55 PM (iVVqW)

85 God, what a bunch of dumbasses.

Posted by: Special Olympian at March 23, 2009 04:04 PM (QoR4a)

Cap and trade will make nearly all modern ways of heating your home more expensive.The oil and natural gas peaks of last year already have more and more people heating with wood, coal, and pellet stoves. Now the EPA will tell you it is illegal to do so.

Posted by: kidney, currently buying stock in sweater companies at March 23, 2009 04:05 PM (FgUFX)

87 Possession of a unlicensed bag of charcoal or unlicensed backyard grill will result in being charged as a "climate criminal".

FIFY

The "privilege" of grilling will cost you $1000/yr. Of course, you willing to pay this because the "privilege" of heating your home will have already chewed up any discretionary income you might still possess.

Posted by: rockhead at March 23, 2009 04:12 PM (DvaIL)

88 you will not be willing to pay...

Posted by: rockhead at March 23, 2009 04:13 PM (DvaIL)

89 JEEBUS.

Why doesn't the EPA just bomb us back to the Stone Age? Great way to use uo all those icky bomb thingies, and reduce our carbon footprint.

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This is why I only burn tractor tires at night, it's much more difficult to see the smoke.

Plus, they put off enough radiant heat to cook a steak from 20 feet away, removing any possibility of the unpleasant taste associated with cooking a steak above the tractor tire fire.

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Posted by: SalvucciFumbles at March 23, 2009 04:53 PM (SdcfP)

92 We had Republican control of Congress for what, 12 years?

Why the hell do we still HAVE an EPA?

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93 What I don't get is when the energy companies, or whoever, finally get approval and are up and running why don't they sue the enviros for lost revenue/income?

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Posted by: marinetbryant at March 23, 2009 05:22 PM (86khf)

Another adventure in Smart Policy by Obama the SuperGenius: Let's harness junk science to bad law and make the US economy One Big Smoking Crater! Yes, We Can!

Posted by: Tantor at March 23, 2009 05:26 PM (KNiWY)

95 Hah! Jokes on them, the United States will be bankrupt before the EPA can implement any of these policies!

Posted by: joh at March 23, 2009 05:46 PM (1DPb/)

96 make the US economy One Big Smoking Crater!

Pretty sure Big Smoking Craters sind verboten.

Posted by: HeatherRadish at March 23, 2009 05:49 PM (NS1UI)

28: It's like the Special Olympics of political economy.

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98 You know, it occurs to me that the bubbles in beer are CO2. I wonder what the legal and political consequences of a suit to force the EPA to mandate flat beer would be?

Posted by: PersonFromPorlock at March 23, 2009 07:39 PM (7DTmO)

99 I bought a "Come and Take It" flag right after the election.

I'm going to fly it over my Big Green Egg.

Posted by: stace at March 23, 2009 07:49 PM (g/wgk)

100 I'm pulling all the emission control stuff off my Honda V65. And I'm modifying the carbs to something illegal. Why?

Better performance that I've always wanted.

And EPA won't catch me - since I do all the maintenance on the bike.

And shit like this pisses me off and gives me a fevah that only a spewing column of pollution from my exhaust can fix!

Posted by: HondaV65 at March 23, 2009 07:51 PM (9vlDt)

101 You know, it occurs to me that the bubbles in beer are CO2. I wonder what the legal and political consequences of a suit to force the EPA to mandate flat beer would be?

No need to worry the brewers will just buy some credits and voila!, you can still have bubbles in your beer. Of course, they'll be jacking up the price, so you'll have to cut your consumption. Time for the switch to Valu-Rite, no bubble there.

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104 At what point do we dispense with the term "unintended consequences" with regard to describing the policies of this president? This man is pursuing these policies for precisely the intent of creating a total economic and social collapse of the American ideal and our way of life.

Posted by: Spike at March 23, 2009 08:53 PM (DxfyB)

105 "By moving forward with the endangerment finding on greenhouse gases, EPA is putting in motion a set of decisions that may have far-reaching unintended consequences,"

I think calling the consequences unintended is being entirely too generous.

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107 I really don't care what kind of commotion it will cause in congress or in the courts, it a realization that you people who are disagreeing with the EPA need to realize. Being an envronmental engineer I see what we are doing to our planet and it needs to stop no matter what the consequences, think of you children for christ sakes, and stop being so selfish for 5 minutes. We are killing our forests, we can't even see more then 10 miles at some of our most aesthetic national beauties (especially in the east) and we're adding more and more species the endangered species act every month. I'm would consider myself an environmentalist and the data is out there to prove global warming, its just the opposing idiots who find conclusive (bullshit) evidence against it. I would like my children to have a good quality of life and its our job to give it to them....use your heads people, it does no good to have your eyes open and not see whats in plain sight.

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