1 Elections Matter.

2 What a jerk

3 What has Captain Sully ever done to convince us that he's a responsible enough to be trusted to carry heat in the cockpit?

4 Only Hollywood phonies like Rosie O'Besity and Sean Jeff Spicoli are qualified to carry guns. We have to protect our celebrities you know

5 Aghh I understand why the Left went apeshit. We can do nothing, nothing to stop this guy. All we can do is bitch and hope that in 20 months the American people let us take the Congress in order to stop the madness.

The Left could indulge in their little assassination fantasies, they could imagine Rove being frog marched, they could imagine war crimes trials. We can't. We're adults.

I know that when Democrats royally screw the pooch and get kicked out by the people they spend twenty years lingering like a bad fart, undermining the President's foreign policy while being feted by the media as "the greatest ex-President". Oh, and doing Habitat for Humanity. That too.

6 Do they at least get box cutters?  A shoe?  A box of floss?

7 The two words that best describe the Obama administration so far: EPIC FAIL.

How long before he quietly backs down from this?

8 Harsh Language.

It worked in "Aliens", it'll work on Earth.

9 Comparing giving a pilot control of a plane and giving him a gun is just absurd.  After all, it's not as though it's possible to use a plane as some sort of weapon...

10 Take the guns away from the pilots.  Who is next?

11 If you keep calling President Obama names, you're going to alienate the moderates.

12 President Bush refuses to criticize Obama. Says Obama deserves his silence.

Carter and Clinton should learn something from this thorough gentleman.

I miss you, Mr. President.

13

Must be because of all those incidents that have happened since the policy was put in place. Why, scarcely a week goes by that a pilot doesn't have to draw down on someone.

/sarc

14 BumperStickerist,

That was teh funny.

+1

15 Guns are, like, bad, anyway.  No progressive Republican would want anyone to have a gun.

Ooh, bon-bons!  What?  I CAN HAVE THEM IF I WAN T THEM!  It's St. Patrick's Day!

16 Well, if you let pilots have guns and a terrorist tries to take over a plane, then the terrorist might get shot! And we don't want that to happen, do we?

Won't someone think of the poor terrorists?

17 "Won't someone think of the poor terrorists?"

There are no terrorists.  Just friends we haven't appeased yet.

18 This is the same stupidity as "gun free zones".  Nobody is advocating that the pilot or teacher has to be armed but what they are now doing is advertising that they are not armed.  Give the qualified pilot the option to carry and anyone stupid enough to try and hijack a plane can roll the dice and hope he does not get a .38 slug in the brain.

19 Next up, removing missiles and bombs from Air Force planes.

20 So, what's next.  Shit can the Air Marshalls???  Replace the locking cockpit door with a nice curtain??  Required tours of the flight deck for all persons with a beard??  Or has that already been done??

21 An armed pilot can't feed any children.

22 I don't think the pilots should have guns since they're too busy making the plane defy gravity to do anything if the terrorists pull any shit. The ones who should be packing heat are the stewardesses. Not the sissy male flight attendants but the babes, because I'm sure there's a special place in Muslim Hell for terrorists who get themselves killed by getting a bullet between the eyes from a hot blonde named Buffy.

23 Civilian control of our military, eh?

24 20 So, what's next - Replace the locking cockpit door with a nice curtain??

A beaded one.

25 This thread is not conductive to my interests.

26 on a slightly more serious note -

Isn't the Washington Times and, by extension, ace, being irresponsible by publicizing this piece of information?

The article says that the program was being done quietly and secretly by the Obama administration, sort of like the way the the Booooooooosh Regime was using black prisons and airplanes all secret like.

What's left unmentioned in the article is that the Obama administration is also reverting back to the policy of having the Air Marshalls wear ties and suit jackets - sure, these will be bright red jackets and the ties will be bow ties - because Michelle likes the way they look - but at least they'll look professional.

But now the rightwing blogosphere is blabbing this safety related information all over teh internets for any lesbian hentai-loving terrorist wanna-be to read.

So I ask, where should the line be drawn?

-

27 The beauty here is that the money they were using to train the pilots will now be used to harass them.

28 You can't hug children with nuclear arms.

29
It makes one wonder if Barack Hussein, citizen of Indonesia or Kenya or wherever, is a indeed friend to muslim terrorists.

30

This thread is not conductive to my interests.

It's not exactly helping Michelle's children either.

31 Not anti-American, just pro the other side.

32 >>It's not exactly helping Michelle's children either.

Terrorists cannot board Air Force One, unless they are invited as the President's guest. So I guess Michelle's children are going to be OK.

33 So I ask, where should the line be drawn?

Maybe we should ask The New York Times???
They seem to do a pretty good job at finding it, and pissing all over it.

34

"Obama Ends 9/11 Policy Allowing Pilots to Carry Guns"

Moron!

Another day, another boneheaded move from President Ferengi.

35

Cute.

So Obama just rolled out the welcome mat for more airline hijackings.

I'm waiting for the TSA to be cancelled due to privacy concerns.

36

I think this is dumb on Obama's part, who does it harm to have the pilots armed? I don't know of any incident where a pilot has hauled off and shot anyone so what is the justification for this, other than appeasement of the asshat anti-gun crowd?

Frankly, I am more worried these days about the outsourcing of airport help. Look at the example in Britain a couple weeks ago when the protester guy turned out to be employed by Menzies at the airport there.

Passengers are basically put through the ringer in order to board airplanes that are being cleaned, loaded, and fueled by an increasingly large number of, um what's that politically correct name for them, let's just call them potentially anti-American agitators. 

And don't give me any bullshit about how these people are screened and how these people aren't a threat. I bet any one of us morons could come up with a successful plan to somehow sabotage an airplane given the access these employees have.

Just to give an example, not terrorist related but illustrating the potential for mischief, Alaska Airlines had a problem with drug smuggling by California gangs to Washington gangs in the baggage holds a few years ago, coinciding with the outsourcing of baggage handling to Menzies.

37

seriously why don't we just give nukes to these fucking lunatics and let them kill us. we have kept them down for so long. you know we deserve it.

oh fuck you already. molon labe mother fucker. cocksucker.

38 What a complete asshat. Terrorists around the world will rejoice.

39 Not to worry Bumperstickerist, TSA will make sure that no grandmother with a walker, pacemaker, and hip replacments will ever board a plane with a metal nail file.

40
The news of this move comes, what, 48 hours after Cheney said Obama's policies are increasing the risk of another muslim terrorist attack?

And that boob, Gibbs, laughed at Cheney for even suggesting such a thing.

Dick Cheney - 1
Obama - 0

41 Huh.

Why not let them carry buns?

42 Hey guys,
My hubby got an email from ALPA (the pilot union) stating the TSA is very supportive of the program and plans on expanding it.

In stark contrast to an op-ed article in today’s edition (March 17, 2009) of the Washington Times, that claims “…President Obama is quietly ending the federal firearms program, risking public safety on airlines in the name of an anti-gun ideology,” TSA officials reassured ALPA they are committed to the FFDO program and have plans for its expansion.

TSA’s leadership immediately contacted ALPA and requested a meeting to discuss this news report. ALPA representatives met with TSA executives this afternoon and were told that TSA embraces the FFDO program, that there are no plans to reduce or restrict its growth, and that the agency fully intends to grow and expand the program.

43

1 Elections Matter.

I was beginning to think all you carzy right wingers were sounding so partisan and we should give the guy a chance and hope for the best.  Well, all of you who sounded so bitter and extreme were right, he has given us enough ammo to start shooting and not stop.  It might have been ACE who said that we must jump on this mutha fucka now and never let up.  Rush is Right, they are the Enemy and we must defeat them NOW!  Perhaps if we attack all the time the MSM will have to listen nad the eventual continuous roar will be heard, again.  I see no other way.

44 Dear Lord, is there -no- limit to the Stupid that this... President is bringing down on us?

I mean, seriously.  WTF.  Does he -want- another 9/11? 

Ya know, at this point, I wouldn't be surprised if he did want one, and as soon as possible, cause if it happens quickly enough he knows he can get the media to blame Bush for it.  And, naturally, it'll be another crisis he can extort to enact more of his agenda.

Paranoid?  Bite me.  I can't comprehend how anyone can read post after post about what this asshat is doing and still give -any- benefit of the doubt anymore.  What will it take for useful idiots to stop being either?

Qwinn

45 I'm suddenly very, very glad that I graduated from college back in '07 and never have to fly to get home during breaks.

46 "I'm waiting for the TSA to be cancelled due to privacy concerns."

As someone who travels quite a bit, that I would actually support.  What a joke and waste of money they are.

47 So a program that puts 12,000 experienced, reliable, armed men - literally at the point of attack for free (essentially) is getting cut or scaled back.  Someone is going to have to explain this one in crayon or powerpoint.

I would like each of these guys should take a break to spend 15min explaining the "right to bear arms" using the Federalist papers and the 9/11 report to their passengers when on the flight line over the next two weeks.  Surely the system can handle a series of 15min delays, what could go wrong.

And why don't pilots get no trace plates if they want?

48 As someone who travels quite a bit, that I would actually support.  What a joke and waste of money they are.

Afuckingmen!!

49 Mr President, if a plane is hijacked and the people on board come to harm, and it is found that both the pilot and copilot USED TO BE ARMED, will you resign your office?  After all, actions have consequences.  What will YOUR consequences be, Mr President?...............crickets chirping.........................

50 the agency fully intends to grow and expand the program.

I hope the ALPA asked how they intended to do that with less money, I missed the line in the stimulus bill for rewarding these pilots with a cash bonus.

51 A pilot needs a gun like a fish needs a bicycle.

52

Given the new information from Ginger about what the pilots are being told, I am wondering what the game is here. Because I don't think the Washington Times pulled the information out of their asses, so there must be something the administration is up to.

Does anyone else feel like the Obama administration is a neverending Paul Harvey broadcast, where time and time again we hear a lead-in about what is going on and then a few days later we hear "you know what the news is, now you are going to hear...the rest of the story."

53

THis asshole President never quits...

he's got a room full of people working 24/7 to FUCK THINGS UP

54 Ok, so pilots can't carry guns, we can't buy 'assault' weapons, Obeyme doesn't want to pay for wounded Veterans medical costs but is just fine with sending an equivalent amount of money to the Palestinians, and 5 times that much to ACORN, what's next? Every time I turn on TV, there's another ludicrous, asinine, trial balloon being floated by these Marxist clowns.
I'm getting really sick of it. My guess is that there are others who are even more pissed than I am. These guys are extreme radicals and they need to be knocked down a few notches, and I think its coming- probably sooner rather than later. Obama couldn't manage a hotdog stand. All he knows how to do is tear things down. That's what these Marxist organizers do, and that's what he plans to do to our way of life.
Watch the road signs, pay attention to what these ass clowns are doing, and, like the BSA motto says, be ready.
-OMB

55 #42, I hope what your husband was told is correct, and the WashTimes got bad info.

Something tells me the next attack will come through a hole Zero's people opened.

56
Ginger, it could be that both reports are accurate: that is, TSA officials are supportive of FFDO, but the White House is planning to end it regardless. I know, the idea that the White House might lie to us is hard to imagine, but work with me on this.

57 37

seriously why don't we just give nukes to these fucking lunatics and let them kill us. we have kept them down for so long. you know we deserve it

You know what, even it if is true, maybe especially if it is true, not only do I not give a fuck if we've kept them down, I say we haven't kept them down long or hard enough and that is the real problem.  Once expectations are raised as with Gobechov, Tianenmen Square, black riots of the 60's, anyone familiar with history knows that is the flashpoint were it becomes dicey.  If you keep the boot on the neck and don't let up they will not rise.  Let 'em up too much and, as Ceasar said of the Germans, "they're either at your feet or at your throat."

Tolstoy discusses this in Anna Kerenin very well.

58 I know the WH can lie to us. I'm just giving out some extra information on the topic.

59

A pilot needs a gun like a fish needs a bicycle.

A pilot needs a gun Democrat needs a lobotomy like a fish needs a bicycle.

60

Weapons cuts for the military next. Meanwhile the russians are gonna put

bombers in Venezuala.

61 A pilot needs a gun like a fish needs a bicycle.

You need access to the internet like a 3 year old needs a box of rusty razor blades.

62 Well, lets see. Prez Hussein has gotten rid of the pilots guns, said he's going to  close Gitmo, curtailed defense spending and insulted our allies.

What next? I'm thinking he'll abolish the no fly list, get rid of the Patriot Act, and give control of our armed forces to the U.N.

And endorse Sharia Law. Don't forget that.

63 Barry's secret service agents shouldn't carry guns either or any weapons of any sort. In fact, do away with his secret service all together after all every in the world loves him.

64 You know who also doesn't need guns?  The secret service.

65 Re. 11: If you keep calling David Frum names, you're going to alienate somebody somewhere, maybe.

66

Common pattern: Obama's plane is guarded by armed men. Yours is not. Obama's kids can go to private schools. Yours cannot. Obama can be protected by arms. You cannot. Obama can do lines of blow off a stripper's ass and get somewhere in life. You, sadly, cannot.

OBAMA: He's just better than us.

67

I am wondering what the game is here.

It's the classic con game of the overlay for the underplay.

 

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69 I'm just about done with the approval process to be an armed pilot. Perfect timing on zero's part.

Since ALPA has done nothing but polish this admin's knob, I'd be surprised to see them thrown under the bus.

Cuz, he's never done that to anyone...

70 Pilots don't need guns.  As long as they have lace wigs.

71 johnthorpe is on to something.

Obama can party and serve $100 beef appetizers on the taxpayers dime and you cannot.  Obama can buy property under market value and you cannot.  Obama can be born in Kenya and have the governor of Hawaii cover for him and you cannot.  Obama can geta way with showering with a teleprompter and you cannot.  Obama can appoint tax cheats and you cannot.

OBAMA: He's just better than us.

72 GAH!  GAH!

73 This is evil and will result in death. Welcome to Fascism, enjoy your gas chamber!

74
Obama can do lines of blow off a stripper's ass and get somewhere in life. You, sadly, cannot.

Oh now I'm pissed!

75 51 A pilot needs a gun like a fish needs a bicycle.

Posted by: Gloria at March 17, 2009 08:29 PM (+27br)

A fish needs a bicycle like a liberal needs a brain scan

76 What's next, prayer rugs in the cockpits?

77 All these action mean one thing-
You now officially OWN the total responsibility for the next US attack by 18 to 40 year old men of an undetermined ethnic origin, Teleprompter.
Good Luck with your "We don't need fire insurance in a neighborhood full of arsonists".

78 Flaming Asshole doesn't begin to describe the Anointed One.

79

where's the AoS flaming douchebag?

 

80

flaming skull should be for good stuff,

 

flaming douchebag for Obama stuff

81 and when will they end the ban on carrying guns to sporting events and rock concerts?

82 So just out of curiosity... WHO in the Obama administration nursed a grudge over pilots being able to defend themselves all throughout the Bush years, waiting patiently, year after year, to disarm pilots at the same time Sec. Gates is disarming America?

This is fracking insane. LISTEN, LIBERAL ASSWIPES: FIRST MAJOR TERRORIST ATTACK, AND WE WILL BE SO OVER YOU ABOUT THIS SHIT. Fuckwads.

83 I say we need to introduce a bill disarming the Secret Service contingent guarding Obama.

After all... there is no War on Terror, right??

84

You know Barack 'Who's There?' Obama has a pre-9/11 world view, but does he need a post-9/12 wake-up call ?

85

Disarmed American pilots.  Weapons cuts.  Freed Gitmo prisoners.  Talks with "moderate" Taliban.  Unconditional talks with Iran.  First presidential phone call to head of PLO.  Money so foreigners can commit abortions.

If your job is killing innocent people, Obama is the best fucking friend you ever had.

86 Leftists are not liberal by any definition.

Hippies, at least those not "hippies" in name only, are close to classically liberal, but with a touch of new-age pacificm: spineless, dirty, occasionally activist (greenpeace founder is actually reasonable, and he's disgusted with the organization now), but harmless; mostly tolerant and good-natured, but myopic when it comes to things like communes that aren't held together in the way small communities actually worked historically (common ethnicity, religion, and defense). They're like stoned hobos.

Leftism is about reaction. The goal is destabilization. Socialism is the only viable route to totalitarian society in a modern state. War between socialists is like street gangs fighting to prove that they deserve to break your legs and that your legs will be broken no matter what, so you better choose our gang. It's very much like Cthulu.

87 @82 LISTEN, LIBERAL ASSWIPES: FIRST MAJOR TERRORIST ATTACK, AND WE WILL BE SO OVER YOU ABOUT THIS SHIT.

I'm beginning to think that the Left wants a terrorist attack so they can surrender. If we, as a nation, surrender, well, there will be no more terrorist attacks, and there will be peace. Because we have surrendered.

Or so they imagine.

BTW, not my opinion, just my concept of tortured libtard logic.

88 Maybe Obama should go to that Gridiron Dinner.  The Deciders seem pissed:

AP: Obama, Congress knew about AIG bonuses for months

"Cue the outrage. For months, the Obama administration and members of Congress have known that insurance giant AIG was getting ready to pay huge bonuses while living off government bailouts. It wasn't until the money was flowing and news was trickling out to the public that official Washington rose up in anger and vowed to yank the money back."

I kid you not.  The AP.  In fact, Jennifer Loven contributed to the report.

89 This assmunch is carrying on like he's playing a fucking board game. You would fucking think anybody who can tell his asshole from a hole in ground would be focusing on the economy. This dude is a like a fucking nero or something, like every day he wakes up and just likes to issue edicts like fat ass emporer. Oh thats right, he is a muslim afterall, so I guess every day is fatwa day.

90 I'm counting the days to his minus 30% approval ratings -- there's no way an incompetent like this can hope to ride the tails of an historic nomination.

91

"The Obama administration this past week diverted some $2 million from the pilot training program to hire more supervisory staff, who will engage in field inspections of pilots. "

There is your expansion. Yeah, behind the program just simply replacing armed pilots with more regulation and bureaucrats.

92 WWSD?

What would Sullenberger do?

FIGHT BACK!

93 The key word here is Obama did this "quietly".  Did the armed flying US marshall program end too? 

This news needs to be spread wholesale to all the blogs you read since the old media wouldn't even think of publishing it.

94

#51 Gloria

As a retired GI and airline pilot allow me to offer you the opportunity to go FUCK YOURSELF.

Any questions bitch?

 

95

Stuff a small squirt bottle of ammonia in your carry-on - something that shoots a stream like a squirtgun. I use an old plastic travel-size cologne bottle. If they ask, tell them it's part of your shaving kit or something. If needed, I can squirt a two second burst of ammonia into someone's eyes from about six feet.

It's better than nothing.

96 Another thing I heard mentioned on talk radio, but never on MSNBC or even Fox, for that matter: that devout Christian, Mr. Obama - the one that spent 20 years in that freakhouse called a "church" in Chicago without ever hearing a damned thing... Well, THAT Mr. Obama isn't currently attending ANY church at all.

So much for all the Devout Christian crap, huh?

97 @51: Gloria, it's a good thing you have a pussy, because otherwise you wouldn't be good for a damned thing.

98 I wish I could work up some genuine outrage about this decision, but I can't do it. Teh Obamessiah is a gun-hating politician from a state that is filled with gun-hating politicians. It's not about National Security, airline securit, or even personal security. He and his political ilk just don't like, or want, private citizens to own firearms. Unless those private citizens are rich, celebrities, elected officials, or any combination thereof. THEN they can have guns, or employ people who have guns. It's just that simple.

"Criminals prefer unarmed victims. Politicians prefer unarmed peasants."

99 "You know who also doesn't need guns?  The secret service."

Thread winner.

Qwinn

100 I think Gloria was being snarky, given that Gloria Steinem was famous for saying that "A woman needs a man like a fish needs a bicycle."

101 I bet Obama doesn't mind guns to protect his ass, or his Sasquatch.

102 @100: if so, my apologies Gloria. And it's still a good thing you have a pussy, too!

103 Do like movies about gladiators, andi?

104 I think all air marshalls should wear full lace wigs so we can spot them easily.

105 I saw on Fox news tonight where Janet Napolitano announced that the word "terrorism" would no longer be used.  Now a terrorist act is a "man-caused disaster."

(What about woman-caused disasters?  Hmmmmm?)

From the Fox News site:

Napolitano tells the German news site Spiegel Online that while she presumes there is always a threat from terrorism: "I referred to "man-caused" disasters. That is perhaps only a nuance, but it demonstrates that we want to move away from the politics of fear toward a policy of being prepared for all risks that can occur."

I just . . . don't know what to say.

Well, okay, I'll say . . . this new terminology just makes me whole lots less scared of terrorism man-made disasters than I used to be!  I am so happy to "move away" from having to worry about these risks, cause you know, after all, shit risks happens happen!

And I'm glad we will be "prepared" for these "risks," just like we are prepared for tornadoes and floods and other disasters that we can't really do anything about to stop.

I feel lots better knowing that we shouldn't have to feel like we could somehow stop these "man-made disasters," either.  Just be prepared for the "risks," and take 'em as they happen.

Yep.  That's the ticket.

Don't worry!  Be happy!
 
[What the heck - have the humans in government been replaced by aliens?  Or kindergartners?  Or what?  What is this lunacy?]

106

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107

Does this mean that no weapons are permitted on Air Force One as well?

 

President 666 is a miserable failure.

108 Fucktard.

109 pilots can't shoot worth a damn anyway. The ability to hit the runway touch-down zone in 0-0 vis means nothing.

110 Ginger at #42....

I am a member of that same union, and as soon as I check my email, I'm sure I'll find that same message.

But here's the question: Does it surprise anyone that ALPA and the TSA would publicly agree that this program needs funding? Remember: ALPA initially opposed this program. See http://tinyurl.com/d6uypf It was the public and the Airline Pilots Security Alliance which brought the FFDO program to fruition. It would be expected for an AFL-CIO affiliate to today trumpet a Democrat talking point.

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112 You'd think he's almost begging some entity to carry out a terror attack on us.

You'd think.

113 I think commenter "Gloria" at #51 is mocking Gloria Steinham, who once said, "A woman needs a man like a fish needs a bicycle." Probably could have used a /sarc tag.

114

Every fucking day this asshole does stupid shit like this. I pray I don't become like those leftist BDS suferers. But at least Bush would announce something, let the chatter go on, and make an informed decision guided by principle.. But every fucking day he bounces around like he wants the country in total chaos to push his agenda.

This is not triangulation, this is fragmentation of society, bordering on anarchy. By that I mean the Log Cabin Repubs could go to the range to support a pro 2nd amendment candidate, Che fans could hold fundraisers for NPR.

But Barry has so splintered the US, that we are all reduced to 17 diferent special interest groups. With half of them undecided as to whether it is dark at night.

115 And Amish dude beats me to the reveal, once more proving I need to read the whole thread.

116 But Barry has so splintered the US, that we are all reduced to 17 diferent special interest groups. With half of them undecided as to whether it is dark at night.

Posted by: hutch1200 at March 18, 2009 12:28 AM (SM7eO)


Sower of Discord indeed.

117 So Baldilocks, I'm not totally crazy? Amen!

118 63 Barry's secret service agents shouldn't carry guns either or any weapons of any sort. In fact, do away with his secret service all together after all every in the world loves him.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at March 17, 2009 08:46 PM (4c2A/)

64 You know who also doesn't need guns?  The secret service.

Posted by: AmishDude at March 17, 2009 08:49 PM (i01iV)

Ditto. No more SS for you Bambi. Feel free to replace them on the payroll with a bunch of hippy fluffers. Sheriff Joe doesn't need 'em either. He's the Sheriff after all. Same with Granny Botox. No SS protection, no guns on her reserved planes.

oh... wait... you, Barack Hussein Obama, REQUESTED Secret Service protection earlier than any Presidential candidate in history.

119 I believe this is what's called constituent services

120 I am guessing guns will be banned on Air Force One also. What is good for civilians is good for politicians. His life doesn't need protecting any more than mine does.

121

OK, here's a plan:

First, you make sure the pilot doesn't have a gun. That removes about 2 lbs. from the aircraft. Then you get rid of that useless heavy door that separates the cockpit from the cabin, making the plane (what?) about 100 more ponds lighter. Then you remove the air marshal; 180 more pounds. You don't need any of this stuff anyway.

The airline uses less fuel, which sticks it to the Arabs (somehow) but it also saves the airline money which is good for the economy (somehow) and it reduces each airplane's carbon footprint which saves the environment (somehow). And one less gun on the plane means the aircraft is actually safer (somehow).

122 And we want the people who have the skills to land the aircraft to get into a gunfight for what reason? The cabin crew should have the guns.

123

Someone please explain to me this pre-9-11 thinking.  We do not need to arm our pilots because there is no threat.  There are no such beings as enemy combatants.  Let's close GITMO, there is no dangerous consequence in holding them in the U.S.  On the otherhand, Queen Nancy must have the Air Force fleet of airplanes at her call because of threats to the Speakers life after 9-11.  Which way is it folks?

124

122 And we want the people who have the skills to land the aircraft to get into a gunfight for what reason? The cabin crew should have the guns.

I wouldn't necessarily object to that. But pilots do very little these days other than a flurry of activity on take-off and landing. The computers pretty much fly the things themselves. Furthermore, the pilots are the last line of defense. If the tangos make it into the cabin, they can and should be able to defend themselves.

125 Whiskey, Tango, Foxtrot.

Has this guy not been watching Lost?

126

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