1 Add to this the fact that Congress just banned embryonic stem cell funding in the budget bill he just signed.

2

Slu, you are absolutely spot-on in your final assessment.  I'd love to see someone actually take the time to comb through the transcripts of every speech that man has given since (and including) Inauguration, and give metrics on how many of them had some sort of criticism of "the previous administration" in some regard.

I imagine that we're still at 100%.

3 Obama is a punk bitch

4 Someone needs to walk up to him and cuff him in the back of the head. Then tell him, "Grow a pair, you wanted the fucking job - get to work"

5 How's my ass taste?

6 We ought to start a pool.  Dollar a bet.  WHEN will Obama open his mouth and NOT say something about the prior administration.  Could it be that Mr Hope and Change has forgotten that he's no longer on the campaign trail?  Or is it that with his limited experience, he can't function any other way?

7 One of the things that Obama said during this signing ceremony was:

"Our government has forced what I believe is a false choice between sound science and moral values"

This is downright fucking scary coming from a man who has as much power as he does.  There is extremely often a choice between science and moral values!  Has he ever heard of the field of study called "Ethics"?  It is one of the earliest fields pondered by intellectuals.

This just goes to show: the idea that "Obama is an intellectual", which is pretty much taken for granted by most elites, it completely fucking laughable.

8
If GWB put a little effort in defending his policies from the Left's lies, Obama wouldn't be able to get away with this shit today. The Left was able to repeat the lies often enough to brainwash the ignorant and Pres Bush didn't do anything to set the record straight.

9 Day late and about $4 trillion short, Krauthammer.  You nincompoop.

10 4 - it's all part of the pattern
http://tinyurl.com/bwesbz

11 Bush just got done with a bike and is laughing his ass off. By the time Obama is out of office-we will want to bush on Mt Rushmore in comparison

12
Just wait until the SOTU. Obama is going to piss all over the Bush admin -- energy policy, education, and foreign policy will be focus of his attack.

13 Here's what came to mind when I was listening to his speech: Sasquatch Fucking Bastard. Just because she has a pussy that your dick can go in, doesn't make it sound science.

14

"Pettiness of spirit" -- yeah, but . . .

I've been asking myself, Why do they keep trashing Bush? I mean, Obama won -- ask him!. He's The Guy In Charge now, and he and his people keep railing against Bush. Sometimes it runs against tradition (Secretary Clinton) and sometimes it's counterproductive (Secretary Clinton) but mostly it's just grown-ups acting childish.

I've concluded that they do this because that's all they got. It's not experience, it's a history of exemplary character, it's not a platform of ideas. It's Our side hates Bush.

So, my next question is -- How long can they go on this?

15 Did Krauthammer really write that he would've walked out of the presser?

That's funny, that is.

(All aboard Nom de Blog's bus to hell.)

16 What's really sad is that in the same order, the big zero cancelled funding for Adult Stem Cell research which, to date, has produced 73 cures.
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17 They have made such a big deal about the "war on science" over the last few years he has to do a victory dance. He wants to reassure his supporters that science, or I should say "science", has won. By contrasting himself to the "anti-science" Bush administration he's trying to establish himself as the arbiter of sound science. It'll come in handy when his energy policy/save the world from global warming plans come up for debate.

I hope he fails.

18 Although I don't think he's able to "walk out", Charles slices like a krauthammer.

19 toby928,

I was there first. How do my sloppy seconds taste?

20 like exhaust from the short bus

21 Well played, sir.
Don't take off your helmet on the ride.

22 Chicago Tribune columnist Steve Chapman made a similar argument yesterday.

http://is.gd/neYK

23

So its alright to use cloning to produce embryos and destroy them for their stem cells even though many people consider it a human being, But its not alright to use cloning to produce an embryo and allow it develop in its natural course.

 

24 Did Krauthammer really write that he would've walked out of the presser?

teh messiah heals!!!!111!!!

25 He is a fundamentally petty, small, mean-spirited, classless, low-rent, low-life assclown. And I am being very kind.

26 #16: Are you sure Teleprompter Jesus canceled the funding with that decision?

I wasn't aware that he canceled any funding.  Just that he opened the flood gates for anything other than cloning of human embryos for research purposes.

27 Paul at 01:48 PM

Excellent post. Most of these pontificators of Progressive scientific ethics only obfuscate the facts to achieve their goal. What bothers my is embryonic stem cells have been involved in some epic fails in regard to tumors and adult stem cells had shown the most promise.

The only way I can explain the Obama's administrations assault on evidence based medicine is that it was a political knee jerk reaction. Anything the prolife crowd likes-must be wrong and anything they hate must be right. Which is another way of saying Oboma is driven by dogma, ideology and politics.

28 "Our government has forced what I believe is a false choice between sound science and moral values"

I hate when moral values get in the way of science.

29 That Steve Chapman link was great WTF Capital.

"What this mandate means is simple: It may be permissible for scientists to create cloned embryos and kill them. It's not permissible to create cloned embryos and let them live. Their cells may be used for our benefit, but not for their own."

Two things.

1) What does Obama have against future generations of Americans? First he is stealing their money and now stealing their potential life.

2) Does it make anyone else uncomfortable that government decides what the value of a life is here? Maybe I am watching too much Glenn Beck but isn't it an unalienable right? Speaking of Beck, If I were trying to sell an antidepressant I would buy every commercial on his show.

30 What bothers my is embryonic stem cells have been involved in some epic fails in regard to tumors and adult stem cells had shown the most promise.

I'd like to see some fund raising numbers on this issue.  It seems to me that elected officials would have a hard time defending the continued push for science, science, and all science without any room for ethical questions involved let alone the real progress in the research areas where the ethics are already resolved.

31 I had forgotten about the Bush stem cell speech.  Another excellent speech both in content and delivery.  But the meme still lives on.

32 "What bothers my is embryonic stem cells have been involved in some epic fails in regard to tumors and adult stem cells had shown the most promise"

You're missing the point!

The Party of Death must have blood!

33

false choice between sound science and moral values

The why did he make a choice against cloning?

34

Opening up all of the science in Washington, rather than just the politically acceptable, is a good move, so I don't have a problem with funding embryonic stem cell research.

Silencing opposition research is a bad move. See: warming, global

35 And yes, it's disgraceful that Obama needs to bash Bush in every major policy speech, ESPECIALLY since he ends up continuing Bush's policies secretly.

36 "But the meme still lives on."

Yeah, they're relentlessly dishonesty about this.  Dennis Miller interviewed Will Saletan from Slate a couple of days ago, and Saletan just casually stated that embryonic stem cell research had been "banned" under Bush.

Miller, unfortunately, didn't know that this was an outright lie.

37 Damn sockpuppets...

38 >> Does it make anyone else uncomfortable that government decides what the value of a life is here?

Yeah, it's funny that the Left would always tout books like Brave New World in their rhetoric about bush.  "Oh! It's a Brave New World here under the Bush Regime!!!"  Same with 1984.  This shit here is LITERALLY straight out of Brave New World.

I find it disturbing that nobody flinches or even understands the difference between embryonic stem cells and adult stem cells.  The press generally uses the term "stem cells", which shows that they do not typically have their head wrapped around the ethical implications here.

39 1) What does Obama have against future generations of Americans? First he is stealing their money and now stealing their potential life.

Talk at the bar during lunch today...

Where's the fucking AARP lobby for 20 and 30 somethings?  Is there one?  There should be one.

40

ESCR was never banned under Bush. Just Federal Funding was restrited to existing lines.

Many therapies are currently been applied with Adult Stem Cells, including heart, pancreas, circulatory system, etc. All embryonic stem cells have resulted in massive cancers. The cells attempt to differentiate into an entire embryo after treatment. Cancer.

 

41 I had forgotten how serious and thoughtful Bushs' speech was - it was as if a sober, mindful adult was in charge.
Ah, memories!

42

Stem Cells before birth = embryonic.

Stem Cells after birth = adult. Even in a newborn baby. It is that simple.

43

>> Many therapies are currently been applied with Adult Stem Cells, including heart, pancreas, circulatory system, etc. All embryonic stem cells have resulted in massive cancers. The cells attempt to differentiate into an entire embryo after treatment. Cancer.

First of all, regardless of the cures it would bring about, I still think it is hugely unethical to farm Human Beings (even though they are just a couple cells, they are still human beings scientifically speaking) for the purposes of experimentation leading to death.

But I do find it interesting that Embryonic Stem Cells are a massive fail so far.  It is almost like Mother Nature naturally resists being manipulated and used in a Frankenstein-like way.

44
Obama just got the government back in the tumor growing business.

Great.

45 Obama just got the government back in the tumor growing business.

Another bubble we can't see?  Fuck.

46 This insistence that with enough FEDERAL money SOME benefit from embryonic stem cell research will be found reminds me of Edward Teller's insistence that there has to be SOME kind of peacetime use for the atomic bomb . . . like using them for excavation of giant canals, like we need a lot of them.

And it is unfortunate that Dennis Miller didn't call Saletan on his lie about banning embryonic stem cell research. Now failure to get federal funding is banning. If it is a promising  line of inquiry, private money will go there, and then government money may follow.

47 The action on the street is mostly on Adult Stem Cells, because that is where the future lies. ESCR may be useful in 10-20 years for research, but that is about it. Obama has, and will, step on his dick on this.

48

I just read this.  Don't know how accurate it is.

President Barack Obama signed a law that explicitly bans federal funding of any ''research in which a human embryo or embryos are destroyed, discarded, or knowingly subjected to risk of injury or death.'' The provision was buried in the 465-page omnibus appropriations bill that Obama signed Wednesday.

If true, his administration is a laughing stock lock and barrel of monkeys see monkey do do.

49 I'm afraid that Liberal Ghoul at #32 really does have it right.

Obama & Co. seem to have a positive enthusiasm for dead kids and destroyed embryos.  Not a head-shaking "sad, but necessary" - they want this stuff.    How sick is that?

50

I had forgotten how serious and thoughtful Bushs' speech was - it was as if a sober, mindful adult was in charge.
Ah, memories!

Total agreement.

51

President Barack Obama signed a law that explicitly bans federal funding of any ''research in which a human embryo or embryos are destroyed, discarded, or knowingly subjected to risk of injury or death.'' The provision was buried in the 465-page omnibus appropriations bill that Obama signed Wednesday.

WTF??  The only explanation I can think of for that would be that he has his head so far up his ass he doesn't even know what he is signing.  That is in direct contradiction to the thing Krauthammer was talking about.  Which he just signed a few days ago.  Where did you find that?

52

The piety on the part of Lightworker that he is "restoring science" is laughable. If science is some sort of overarching good devoid of moral judgment and limitation why don't we start experiments on those subject to the death penalty. I mean, its science, invaluable to providing "cures" and is not deserving of  condemnation. If they die, what the heck, they were going to die anyway.

What Lightworker really means is substituting his highminded moral judgment for your unenlightened dark age voodoo. Euphemism for the Culture of Death.

Also, sickeningly cynical and craven but predictable for a calculating moral relativist.

53 Where did you find that?

Posted by: dan-O at March 13, 2009 03:03 PM (teb/C

cnsnews.com

sorry I'm still boycotting tinyurl. ( actually I say that but I'm really tinyurl illiterate)

54

To me, Obama's statement showed a fundamental pettiness of spirit. There was no reason to criticize the Bush administration in his remarks, but it's almost as though he can't help himself. Actually, I'm beginning to think he really cannot.

He's using this tactic to remind people how bad (in his opinion) The Bush administration was.  In his mind, it lowers the bar for how his adminsitration is performing.

People, outside the KosKidz, DUers, etc,. will tire of this really quickly.  They don't care what the last guy did.  They want to know what you are doing.

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56

How is that any better?

I'm boycotting this BS where it won't let me post a link with a URL over 25 characters even though the actual text of the link is only 3 and the screenwrap issue they're trying to prevent doesn't happen till like 85.

57 As my relatives would say, "he's a wee, little man.  Poor in mind and spirit."

58 How is that any better?

Dude.... it's bacn!  WTF???

59

President Barack Obama signed a law that explicitly bans federal funding of any ''research in which a human embryo or embryos are destroyed, discarded, or knowingly subjected to risk of injury or death.'' The provision was buried in the 465-page omnibus appropriations bill that Obama signed Wednesday.

*sigh*

http://tinyurl.com/bsregz

I am le tired now.

60

I think Obama isextremely short sighted with his position against cloning.

A good democrat would see human cloning as the perfect way to increase the tax base.

61 President BO is such a miserable failure.  He makes me long for the integrity and honesty of Slick Willie.

62 1.) Obama bashes Bush because he doesn't want to grow up and BE president--he wants to keep campaigning for it--lots more fun and you can vote "present" all you like.

2.) This was never about cures--those come from adult stem cells without the fetal farming issues. This is all about justifying the philosphy of abortion: an embryo is a disposable clump of cells with no moral standing. In fact, if abortions provide raw manufacturing materials, abortions are a positive good. Judging from his record at Christ Hospital, Obama is more pro-abortion than Elanor Smeal and Hillary combined.

3.) Using unwanted in vitro embryos? Isn't that what the necrophiliac said; "Hey; you weren't using it!"? The whole enterprise stinks of cannibalism.

4.) By Obama's formulation, we owe Dr. Frankenstein an apology--there's no such thing as "mad science", only science , which he is for and Republicans are against. Science could put a do-it-yourself- WMD kit on the shelves at Wal-Mart. If you oppose it, you are a Caveman(R.). After all, it's "science".

5.) Then Obama turns around and says, "Hey--you know what--I'm against science, too. Human cloning is wrong--if a baby is born from it, that is."

Yeah--what's he gonna do, a forced abortion on the woman? Put her in jail for giving birth?

"A forest of strawmen". unthinking. obtuse. morally arrogant. unserious. moral posing, moral preening, moral grandstanding. Thank goodness he was leaning on a Teleprompter and wearing a suit. Otherwise he might have evaporated on the spot.

63 Obama will have a new hotline 1 800 CLONE ME with a million dollar prize to the winner.

64 I love how Obama positions himself as Mr. Wizard and Bush as some sort of Luddite who signed legislation with a hammer and chisel.  W, IIRC, set a timetable to retire the shuttle in exchange for the Return to Space initiative to the Moon and Mars... a program Obama is no fan of. 

65 "And it is unfortunate that Dennis Miller didn't call Saletan on his lie about banning embryonic stem cell research."

To be fair, a caller made the point clear after the interview ended.  The point was eventually made, even if Saledouche was never directly confronted with his lie.

66 "Obama & Co. seem to have a positive enthusiasm for dead kids and destroyed embryos.  Not a head-shaking "sad, but necessary" - they want this stuff.    How sick is that?"

And one of the main reasons for their deranged bloodlust is the simple fact that social conservatives oppose it.  It's more of that "pettiness of spirit" that Ace mentioned.

67

Are you absolutely kidding me?! You speak of outrage but people siding with Bush, his opinion, and the condoning of his administration is atrocious. Bush's little speech was so neutral because some bastard working for him drew it up with the hopes of making Bush sound like a just and morally stable man!

Bush!

Bush's take on stem cell research was to provide a little funding for adult stem cells to be used... the shit hasn't even been able to come near the possibilities the embryonic cells bring to the table!

This is how the conversation would go if you walked up to George W. Bush on the street and presented him with the dialogue of your blog:

you: "Moral arrogance..." (your blog)

Mr. Bush: "huh?"

you: "Mr. Bush, you were much more ethically sound and equal than your counterpart President Obama..."

Mr. Bush: "heh, heh, what the hell you talkin' 'bout now boy?"

you: "Sir, your stance on stem cell research during your presidency?"

Mr. Bush: "wha??"

you: "Stem cell research!?!"

Mr. Bush: "huh? Oh yeah, no kill babies!! right on America! Now get back to fighting that war son, I gotta go find me some oil!"

 

yee-ha Mr. ex-president, yee-ha

68 67: That was one of the dumbest things I have ever read.  Please tell me you are a satirical comment and not a real one.

69

...for adult stem cells to be used... the shit hasn't even been able to come near the possibilities the embryonic cells bring to the table!

That is actually the exact opposite of the factual truth.

On the chance that you're not a troll but just some deluded person, I will elaborate.

Embryonic stem cells can't get funding anywhere but from the government because, while they have some interesting properties (their 'pluripotentiality'), they are uncontrollable, have cured nothing, and only led to creating cancers in animal test subjects.

Adult stem cells have a great deal of promise and will be where any gains are made for health care.

In simple fact, many gains have allready been made and treatments are being tested with adult stem cells right now.

Even scientists pushing for embryonic research usually assert this - they only wish to study the embryonic cells in the hope they'll get a greater understanding of how they work (their pluripotentiality). They think that knowledge will be used to make actually treatments using.... adult stem cells.

However - they've (fairly recently, in the last year or two) discovered now how to make adult stem cells pluripotential. That interesting quality - the only interesting quality - particular to embryonic ones.

There's literally no reason why we have to harvest embryonic stem cells, even for research. We've discovered how to turn adult stems into embryonic stem cells. And just for shits and giggles, we still have embryonic stem cells from umbilical cords and placentas.

And ultimately, the most potential and the most promising cure will be using your own stem cells for your own treatment. Adult stem cells, because they will be coming from YOU.

70 I don't know if I've made this point before or not, but Obama is acting exactly like his buddy, Deval Patrick in MA. Both followed Republicans in office, who had to make principled decisions during their tenure and did their best to move forward on principles they had outlined in their campaigns.

Well, both Patrick and Obama have no clear agenda of their own, other than to dismantle the previous administrations' key initiatives. Grow government? Check. Roll back tax cuts? Check. Flail wildly as economic gains drift away? Check.

It's gonna take a while to fix what both of these dildos have broken out of pure ideological malfeasance.

71 It's just like when he made his inaugural speech and just couldn't resist taking a shot at a departing president who was sitting right behind him. I've read through most inaugural speeches, and I cannot find any other example of a new president insulting his predecessor during his inauguration.

It shows amazingly bad taste and is not the hallmark of somebody who is gracious or moral.

72 Ace, he CAN"T help himself. He's classic Narcissist Peronality Disorder in every single way.

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