Camille Paglia goes wobbly
Posted by: Purp at 10:58 AM
1 True believers won't give up till those that choked down the kool aide start dropping like flies ... or maybe not even then .. it will be Bush's fault ...
The skittle do taste kinda funny though ...
Posted by: bill at March 11, 2009 11:00 AM (dtlzd)
2 The trouble with Obammy is that no one has ever told him NO.
Posted by: kevlarchick at March 11, 2009 11:01 AM (TNuqz)
3 err, Godwin much?
Couldn't you have just said Mussolini?
Posted by: adamthemad at March 11, 2009 11:02 AM (kIjlp)
4 You make a good point, and it is hard to understand why she is not more direct. She isn't really known for squishiness or unwillingness to say harsh things about people on her side. Maybe she really does fear not getting invited to parties.
Posted by: doug at March 11, 2009 11:03 AM (jCwj+)
5 When it was Bush, the trouble begau at the top. Now that it's Obama, it's everybody but the top. Libs iz crazee.
Posted by: sixpckr at March 11, 2009 11:03 AM (jyGLF)
6 They say there were Stalin supporters in the gulags that used to write pitiful letters to Stalin in hopes he would save them if only he knew what was going on .
Truth is always stranger than fiction.
Posted by: aubrey at March 11, 2009 11:03 AM (U1Lxs)
7 I always read Paglia, at least for the first page or two. Then she starts talking about some obscure artists whom she's into and I lose interest. She always seemed like someone who knew her principles and stuck to them (cf. her stance on the Clinton sexual harassment stuff). I was wondering how long this would take.
If you hire bad people, that's HR's fault (often). If you keep them, that's management's fault. If the people right under the top person suck donkey balls and the top manager keeps them around? It's either because he's no good, or actually wants people who suck on donkey balls.
Posted by: mr.frakypants at March 11, 2009 11:03 AM (PonvG)
8 adamthemad at March 11, 2009 11:02 AM (kIjlp)
That's not really a Godwin.
Posted by: lorien1973 at March 11, 2009 11:04 AM (IhQuA)
9 President Obama -- in whom I still have great hope and confidence --
has been ill-served by his advisors and staff. Yes, they have all been
blindsided and overwhelmed by the crushing demands of the presidency.
So she is saying they really weren't preprepared for the presidency., but because of the staff?
Posted by: Sam at March 11, 2009 11:04 AM (ZNRFN)
10 this doesn't sound very hopeychangey.
Posted by: Jim King at March 11, 2009 11:05 AM (7h5RK)
11 Case in point: The orchestrated attack on radio host Rush Limbaugh, which has made the White House look like an oafish bunch of drunken frat boys. I returned from carnival in Brazil (more on that shortly) to find the Limbaugh affair in full flower. Has the administration gone mad? This entire fracas was set off by the president himself, who lowered his office by targeting a private citizen by name. Limbaugh had every right to counterattack, which he did with gusto. Why have so many Democrats abandoned the hallowed principle of free speech? Limbaugh, like our own liberal culture hero Lenny Bruce, is a professional commentator who can be as rude and crude as he wants.
Well smack my ass and call me Nancy. It's almost like the left thinks this Limbaugh kerfuffle is going to backfire on The One. Who'd a thunk it?
Posted by: JackStraw at March 11, 2009 11:05 AM (VW9/y)
12 The quote that stood out to me this morning:
"But I continue to believe in citizen presidents, who must learn by doing, even in a perilous age of terrorism."
Posted by: t-bird at March 11, 2009 11:06 AM (FcR7P)
13 When do we get to say 'I told you so...'
Posted by: ReallyOldGuy at March 11, 2009 11:06 AM (THsyA)
14 Chicks love Barry. It's his chiseled physique and his Pepsodent smile, his smooth baritone voice, and his come-hither look. Sure, he's an idiot; but that's never deterred the ladies before. In fact, many if not most of them seem to regard moral retardation as a kind of turn-on. He can smack them around all he wants, and they'll cry to their friends about how "he's a really good person" and "he's just under a lot of pressure right now".
The scary thing is that even the dudes are going weak in the knees. David Brooks, Frum, all the rest. I can imagine the old "I'm not gay but if I had to" conversations at the local watering hole.
It's a mystery to me, but I've long since become accustomed to the fact that most of my fellow human beans are complete fucking idiots. People never change. It's comforting, in a way.
Posted by: Monty at March 11, 2009 11:07 AM (/0a60)
15 I'm surprised Paglia's criticism went as far as it did. She really stuck her neck out there. And I'm not kidding. She's lucky she still has a job.
Of course, she'll probably wake up tomrrow next to Daniela Mercury's head.
She'll get the message.
Posted by: Blogluddite at March 11, 2009 11:07 AM (fDWFP)
I think it's a good point, too, but you can't expect too much turning on O! just yet--these people just have to much emotionally invested in the man to take him out back and beat him with a tire iron just yet.
In a few more months (and another k, k and a half off the Dow, and, with it, what's left of their 401ks) and it'll be like that scene out of Airplane where the woman is hysterical and there's a line stretching to the back of the plane with people eager to throttle her.
Posted by: ECM at March 11, 2009 11:08 AM (q3V+C)
"there are black Marxist radicals."
"no there aren't"
"this something called Black Liberation Theology and the President belives it."
"no there isn't, no he doesn't"
"just because someone is black doesn't make them holy"
"yes it does"
"black people can be racist too."
"no they can't"
"the President got elected bcause of Affirmative Action"
"no he didn't"
"Michelle Obama doesn't really like white people"
"yes she does"
On and on, and on...and on...
Posted by: Rev. Dr. E. Buzz Miller at March 11, 2009 11:09 AM (cTHpq)
18 This is like when a kid does something bad and someone makes the remark that its not the kid's fault because he is young and doesn't know better. The msm are acting like obama's parents, they can't imagine their baby boy doing anything wrong. Are these people packing his lunch and kissing him on the forehead every morning when he leaves for the West Wing?
Posted by: Ginger at March 11, 2009 11:09 AM (jajon)
19 Wow, even the MSNBC kool aid crowd is starting to doubt Barry:
Posted by: Fred R. at March 11, 2009 11:09 AM (ZnjQx)
You can add Paglia to the list of people who are criticizing Obama's moves but are still emphatically supporting the man.
I think it's partly damage-control for their former savior-candidate and partly a warning to Obama: Any more fuck-ups and we're not going to be able to cover for you, Barack.
Posted by: Darling, just an entertainer at March 11, 2009 11:09 AM (lIzLR)
21 Monty -- Paglia swings the other way. She won't be oohing and aahing over the O. Of course, she does note Lt. Worf's arms, as you must.
Posted by: mr.frakypants at March 11, 2009 11:10 AM (PonvG)
22 Paglia is right about a lot of things in that piece but she needs to face the fact that Obama IS the problem. He picked assholes to surround himself with because he is the biggest asshole of the bunch. His public image is a fabrication and always has been.
Posted by: Ken at March 11, 2009 11:10 AM (9zzk+)
23 Couldn't you have just said Mussolini?
Pol Pot would have been better.
Posted by: Druid at March 11, 2009 11:10 AM (34rPf)
24 The best incident ever of not recognizing what's going on is this one: Hey, it's Enrico Palazzo!
Posted by: Michael at March 11, 2009 11:11 AM (siOQ7)
25 That's not really a Godwin
Huh? Referring to the Nazi regime and genocide isn't something proscribed by Godwin?
Posted by: adamthemad at March 11, 2009 11:13 AM (kIjlp)
26 Paglia also defended Rush Limbaugh in that piece..andhas writtenadmirable things about Sarah Palin. Heh.
Posted by: Anita at March 11, 2009 11:13 AM (k8ue7)
Give her awhile to wrap her brain around the disaster that is Obama. Let's have a bit of sympathy here. The abject incompetence and arrogance of an Obama is a difficult thing to comprehend. Especially for someone who wanted so very badly for him to be what he claimed.
I have friends like that. I sympathize with their idealism and optimism, just I know it was misplaced. All the "toldja so's" in the world won't help them in this difficult transition period as it slowly sinks in that the magic fucking beans they bought ain't gonna sprout.
Over a dozen unfilled posts at Treasury and the Brits complain they can't get phones answered as they prepare for the G8 meeting. Smart, skeptical people ain't going to hitch their wagon to this mule. In part she's right, Obama is surrounded by true believers, and incompetents and wild-eyed-leftists (if that isn't redundant). And that is where she's in denial, by not realizing that those are the only people who will take a job in this administration of amateurs.
Posted by: Ronsonic at March 11, 2009 11:14 AM (ywSvi)
28 Purple Avenger goes Godwin on us.
Posted by: Homer at March 11, 2009 11:15 AM (sftw8)
29 I am dissappointed more hasn't been made of the incompetence of this.
Obama railed on Bush for the entire 2 years of the election over Bush's supposed lack of judgement and incompetence.
As far as competence goes, next to Obama Bush looks like a savant.
Posted by: Micheal at March 11, 2009 11:15 AM (iggjG)
30 Obama just fell in with a bad crowd.
Posted by: schizuki at March 11, 2009 11:17 AM (Ae/PN)
And here's Fred Barnes' take on Obama so far.
Barnes is pretty much saying what we and everyone else is saying -- Obama is headed for disaster and he's trying to take the country with him.
Okay, that's more my commentary than Fred Barnes', but I'm more righter than Fred so fuck him.
Posted by: Darling, just an entertainer at March 11, 2009 11:18 AM (lIzLR)
32 Dear people who are having second thoughts about obama,
Fuck you. You had enough warning that this pompous asshole is a socialist. Shit, when he said he wanted to "spread the wealth", did you think that he meant he would bend over, spread his ass cheecks and fart out 100 dollar bills. Bite me.
Posted by: Ginger at March 11, 2009 11:18 AM (jajon)
33 Same thing happened with Stalin.
The people thought it was the underlings that were responsible for suede blue secret police.
Posted by: Kestrel♠ at March 11, 2009 11:18 AM (zccHr)
34 When will you wingers admit that Teh One is the only virgin in the whorehouse?
He can pick up manure by the clean end, dontcha know.
Posted by: dicentra at March 11, 2009 11:20 AM (AIGFR)
35 Paglia has been criticizing the left for a while. I don't know if she's moved a bit to the right, or just likes to mix it up. She's one of the few on the left who praised Palin. I don't think she's ever been in the cult of the One. (could be all wet here. I don't read her much, I just know I've been surprised by her in the past.)
Posted by: right at March 11, 2009 11:22 AM (pMGkg)
36 Paglia is one of the few leftists that can actually be called a liberal in the true sense of the word. Though she hasn't quite gone as far as to admit that B.O. is the problem, I think she will get there. I can't help but think that she is suffering what anyone would if the person they were so convinced was perfect turned out to be more flawed than the average guy on the street. These people held him up so high that a great many of them have to feel crushed. Many will close their eyes, plug their ears and yell "LALALALA." Others will fall silent rather than criticize. Some will turn on him if they see a strong horse on the horizon. Somemight turn into his worst enemies.But too many of these people are too heavily invested in the image to suggest that he is anything but perfect. They were the ones who promised the world a new messiah. They have a hell of a lot to lose.
But, let's give her credit. Despite her devotion to B.O. she does NOT want to shut down Limbaugh or anyone else who speaks out against this administration. She is open to the idea or debate, discussion and disagreement. She is very Voltaire-like in her willingness to fight for your right to say what you want. How many other leftists do you know with this same attitude?
Posted by: Alisa at March 11, 2009 11:22 AM (5VRhq)
37 This close apparently got cut by some asshole editor.
Oh, by the way, I'd still bend over for Mr. President.
Posted by: WTF Capital Investments at March 11, 2009 11:23 AM (AHrTm)
38 Purple Avenger goes Godwin on us.
You have no clue as to what Godwin is about.
Posted by: Purple Avenger at March 11, 2009 11:23 AM (Ygf78)
Oh and don't get your hopes up. As people are losing confidence in Obama, the show-trials of Karl Rove and Harriet Miers are about to begin.
And they'll be just in time for Congress to ram through a second spending bill or, perhaps, amnesty for 30 million illegal invaders new Democrat voters.
Posted by: Darling, just an entertainer at March 11, 2009 11:23 AM (lIzLR)
40 I'm surprised Paglia's criticism went as far as it did. She really stuck her neck out there. And I'm not kidding. She's lucky she still has a job.
She always says glowing things about Sarah Palin... and with her readership, that is seriously sticking your neck out there.
Posted by: Average Jen at March 11, 2009 11:24 AM (OINAg)
41 I have a hell of a lot of respect for Paglia. But, I got the same 'it can't be the fuhrer, its gotta be something else' vibe when I read that column.
It takes people a long time to realize they have been taken in by a narcissistic leader, and when it happens it isn't pretty.
Posted by: kefka at March 11, 2009 11:24 AM (uTg5e)
42 How many other leftists do you know with this same attitude?
Not enough. All the ones I do know will sex me up when we agree to disagree.
Posted by: WTF Capital Investments at March 11, 2009 11:25 AM (AHrTm)
43 It is truly amazing what faults liberals can rationalize in their leaders.
Posted by: In Exile at March 11, 2009 11:26 AM (yq+da)
44 Obambi is such an amateur that if the stakes were not so high it would be funny.
Posted by: Scipio at March 11, 2009 11:27 AM (T1l1O)
45 In their darkest moments you know they're all feeling pretty stupid. I'm feeling pretty smug. When I'm not freaking out about all our possible futures.
Posted by: katya at March 11, 2009 11:27 AM (oRJZj)
46 As people are losing confidence in Obama, the show-trials of Karl Rove and Harriet Miers are about to begin.
This is why I like Rahm Emanuel. His escape route is back to the Congress through Chicago's gerrymandered disricts.
Posted by: WTF Capital Investments at March 11, 2009 11:28 AM (AHrTm)
47 I hope Obama's aides, advisers, and hangers on fail.
Posted by: Pak at March 11, 2009 11:30 AM (egcIk)
48 The Paglias of the world ...
THOSE PEOPLE! Thesame ones who opposed Prop 8!
Posted by: Homer at March 11, 2009 11:30 AM (sftw8)
49 Just googled 'Obama's Cabinet'. It wasn't to third page that there was a link to anything negative, at that was an article about his third nominee to bow out!
Fuck Google. Fuck O. Fuck 52%.
Posted by: fresh whispering eye at March 11, 2009 11:30 AM (penCf)
50 God, I want to be Paglia when I grow up. I was waiting for her to get out the long knives about Rush, she's a long standing supporter of his and she knows exactly what the implications are for shutting his down. After all, she's directly faced the same thing in her academic career.
I don't think she'll ever give up on Obama due to her overarching theories regarding archetype. That being said she'll still criticize him but to directly attack him would require her to evaluate the impact of her theory in reality. Why, yes, I've read Sexual Personae so much my copy if falling apart. It's not buyer's remorse or the like, it's simply that it's about far more than politics for her.
I love reading her even when she's totally and utterly wrong. She's still exhilarating. /crush
Posted by: alexthechick at March 11, 2009 11:31 AM (SHHaV)
51 I hope Obama's bathroom tissue fails.
Posted by: mr.frakypants at March 11, 2009 11:31 AM (PonvG)
52 This will surely make everyone here laugh:
On the morning of Sept. 11, 2001, just minutes before learning of
the terrorist attacks on America, Democratic strategist James Carville
was hoping for President Bush to fail, telling a group of Washington
reporters: "I certainly hope he doesn't succeed."
Carville was joined by Democratic pollster Stanley Greenberg, who seemed encouraged by a survey he had just
completed that revealed public misgivings about the newly minted president.
"We rush into these focus groups with these
doubts that people have about him, and I'm wanting them to turn against him," Greenberg admitted.
pollster added with a chuckle of disbelief: "They don't want him to
fail. I mean, they think it matters if the president of the United
Minutes later, as news of the terrorist attacks reached the hotel conference room where the Democrats were having
breakfast with the reporters, Carville announced: "Disregard everything we just said! This changes everything!"
press followed Carville's orders, never reporting his or Greenberg's
desire for Bush to fail. The omission was understandable at first, as
reporters were consumed with chronicling the new war on terror. But
months and even years later, the mainstream media chose to never
resurrect those controversial sentiments, voiced by the Democratic
Party's top strategists, that Bush should fail.
That omission stands in stark contrast to the
feeding frenzy that ensued when radio host Rush Limbaugh recently said
he wanted President Obama to fail. The press devoted wall-to-wall
coverage to the remark, suggesting that Limbaugh and, by extension,
conservative Republicans, were unpatriotic.
most influential Republican in the United States today, Mr. Rush
Limbaugh, said he did not want President Obama to succeed," Carville
railed on CNN recently. "He is the daddy of this Republican Congress."
Limbaugh, a staunch conservative, emphasized that he is rooting for the failure of Obama's
Posted by: Anti-Harkonnen Freedom Fighter at March 11, 2009 11:32 AM (5r0Tz)
53 Ill served by his staff and advisers? He's the one that picked them not Rush. Or was it Bush? What a smuck.
Posted by: harleycowboy at March 11, 2009 11:33 AM (JKGfQ)
54 Good Czar, bad ministers, Good Ceasar, bad praetorians, good Thag, Leader of the Grok Clan, bad friendsof Thag.....
This is new, how?
Posted by: Andrew X at March 11, 2009 11:33 AM (nNZtS)
55 Hirohito got much the same free pass after WWII, although MacArthur had as much to do with that as the Japanese. The myth was that the emperor was just sitting there, drinking tea, a mere figurehead, while the generals plotted all these ghastly schemes out of his sight hearing. In fact, he was as guilty and complicit in the Pacific War as anyone.
I suppose we're to believe Obama is the poor, overwhelmed Golden Child whose only job is to sit there and radiate warm karma while the people with real skills and experience do the actual work and make the decisions. Therefore, when things go to shit, how can you blame the little darling? He was just sitting there drinking tea.
Posted by: Crusty at March 11, 2009 11:33 AM (GvSpB)
56 I love reading her even when she's totally and utterly wrong. She's still exhilarating.
Same here. She always seems to be enjoying herself.
Posted by: Slublog at March 11, 2009 11:34 AM (qjKko)
57 First thing I learned as a manager: If your people do something wrong, IT'S YOUR FAULT!
52% of this country (god luv 'em and their drooling ignorance) voted for Obumbles to handle shit. Not an aid, not an appointee... Him. If shit ain't handled, it's his fault. Period.
But then, this is nothing new. We saw the same during the campaign when his staffers started thrashing Palin and her family from the second McCain announced her. Barry and Plugs immediately threw the staff under the bus and swore that anyone involved would be fired.
Yup, still waiting on those termination letters, Barry. Who wants to bet that if we looked up the same jackasses from the campaign, that their now on the White House payroll.
Ladies and gentlemen of the 52%, this is why experience matters. These are mistakes made by newly minted, teenage managers at Walmart. This is inexcusable from the White House.
Posted by: Damiano at March 11, 2009 11:35 AM (cfKer)
58 His escape route is back to the Congress through Chicago's gerrymandered districts.
If he stays long enough Rahm will fuck up and get out via Club Fed.
Posted by: Purple Avenger at March 11, 2009 11:36 AM (Ygf78)
59 I hope Obama's teleprompter fails
Posted by: In Exile at March 11, 2009 11:36 AM (yq+da)
60 Same here. She always seems to be enjoying herself.
She has a curious little toy that seems to bring her endless joy.
Posted by: Homer at March 11, 2009 11:36 AM (sftw8)
Same here. She always seems to be enjoying herself.
Ahhh jeez, are you two gay or something? Knock off the Paglia petting, please.
Posted by: Darling, just an entertainer at March 11, 2009 11:40 AM (lIzLR)
62 If he stays long enough Rahm will fuck up and get out via Club Fed.
Rumors running through Dem precincts in Chicago says Rahm has told confidants he's going to be the next Speaker.
Posted by: WTF Capital Investments at March 11, 2009 11:41 AM (AHrTm)
63 @ 52
Anti-Harkonnen Freedom Fighter
Where did that come from? Fuckin a... Carville, on 9/11 hoping that Bush fails. Not his policies, Bush. Yet we've had to put up with a manufactured fuckaroo for the past few weeks about Rush, who wants policies to fail.
Surely this, along with the countless printed polls and quotes from politicians (not radio personalities) screaming about not only wanting Bush to fail, but all the wonderful, unabashed sentiments that went along with it will hit the MSM on 24hr. rotation, right?
Posted by: Damiano at March 11, 2009 11:42 AM (cfKer)
64 Chicks love Barry.
If Paglia loves Barry it isn't because of his chiseled pecs or any of his other manly attributes. Camille doesn't swing that way.
Posted by: huerfano at March 11, 2009 11:44 AM (knHvu)
Speaking of fail, the Dow is now in negative territory.
Posted by: Tinian at March 11, 2009 11:44 AM (Ohodx)
66 Don't worry about Paglia's tone. The White House will soon be calling her to 'explain' Obama's position and she will quickly change her mind in a new column.
Posted by: Jack at March 11, 2009 11:45 AM (Ss83y)
67 Looks like Fineman's on board, too.
Posted by: Tim at March 11, 2009 11:45 AM (3Wewy)
68 Anti-Harkonnen Freedom Fighter at March 11, 2009 11:32 AM
That's geat. Just read it on Fox News. A counselor to Dem presidents says he wanted Bush to fail nobody cares. Limbaugh says it and it's somehow a national crisis.
Posted by: JackStraw at March 11, 2009 11:50 AM (VW9/y)
69 Its not a lack of communication, its a lack of character.
Once again, that is the crux of the biscuit.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at March 11, 2009 11:50 AM (ZGhSv)
70 Ginger, you do have a way with words...
And who the fuck is Godwin? Did you actually read what PA said? Fact is, he was dead on insofar as how a lot of Germans reacted when confronted with the reality of the camps. Queens of Denial and all that.
And Paglia is doing the same thing. "It can't be Obambi's fault that the Administration is a slow motion train wreck, and has been from day one".
Paglia may indeed be trying to tell O! to clean things up quick before his LSM fellators can't cover for him anymore. I doubt it will do any good, given what a narcissistic Marxist asshole The Lightbringer is.
Posted by: Cave Bear at March 11, 2009 11:53 AM (EKMxC)
71 Our representative government is pretty much doing what it does. Each special interest of zillions wants, each lobbies, each gets -- usually in the form of a handout or tax break. The GOP responds in much the same way as Democrats, just to a lesser extent because the number of victim groups to be assuaged is less.
In that regard, Paglia is right even though she doesn't posit that expressly in her piece. Bush did eschew conservatism much more than we would have liked and he did pave the way for Obama; however, that doesn't excuse Obama from his socialist leap to the Left. Obama remains the radical Lefty we thought he was (well, the Lefty the ign'ant, braindead knuckledraggers bereft of nuance and pointy-headedness thought he was, anyway). Had Bush not existed, Obama would have fought just as hard to become Chavez's amigo Norte Americano.
Is Paglia making an excuse for Obama's failings? Absatively. Obama is doing what he does. Period. There's no cover Paglia can suggest that can disguise that man's dishonesty, vindictiveness, pettiness, and socialism. Incompetance, too? Quite possibly because this is the first time he's had to perform in a job other than campaigning. We, the knuckledragging we, saw this coming too many months ago.
Nevertheless, there is a kernel of truth in the pile of droppings, namely Bush as escort to Democrat nanny-stateism. How unfortunate that Team Obama gets to pull out such an excuse to expand it. That is one of Bush's legacies even if we know that the Democrats would have done worse had Bush not been in charge.
PS: Fuck Pelosi, Reid, Emanuel, Frank, Dodd, Kennedy, Clinton, Durbin, et al.
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at March 11, 2009 11:54 AM (swuwV)
Dear people who are having second thoughts about obama,
you. You had enough warning that this pompous asshole is a socialist.
Shit, when he said he wanted to "spread the wealth", did you think that
he meant he would bend over, spread his ass cheecks and fart out 100
dollar bills. Bite me.
Posted by: Ginger at March 11, 2009 11:18 AM (jajon)"Ginger, is everything okay? I feel as though you aren't expressing how you truly feel.
Posted by: silly at March 11, 2009 11:55 AM (zplc6)
73 Oh, if only Obana KNEW! Sob!!
Posted by: GarandFan at March 11, 2009 11:55 AM (237hA)
74 Oh, it must be the deputy fuhrer, Joe Biden is keeping everything from him. Biden the master manipulator. Yeah, that's it! Biden! And Peolsi! And Reid!
Posted by: GarandFan at March 11, 2009 11:56 AM (237hA)
75 The education business is growing faster than the government business. Just read an article about teacher's salaries being rasied, per the union contract. Funny, just read an article that congress' salaries are being raised, by their wn vote. Hmmm read anothr article that people are losing their jobs left and right. Aren't these people embarassed? They attacked WS and business in general and arean't they being just as "greedy" in light of the economic environment? Didn't those union guys criticize the business guys for going to their conventions and these two faced people then held their own convention in a luxury hotel in Miami. The "double standard" in this country lately is mind boggling.
Posted by: silly at March 11, 2009 12:01 PM (zplc6)
76 adamthemad: fuck Godwin. If the analogy works, it works. Purple Avenger wasn't comparing Barry to Hitler, he was comparing the response of O-fans to Hitler's supporters who made excuse after excuse for their fuehrer, blaming everything on his staff and saying "he would have stopped it if." And someone else pointed out the way some gulag prisoners sent letters to Stalin even though he was responsible for sending them there.
Don't misuse the Godwin rule. Don't fall for that tactic.
Posted by: Andrea Harris at March 11, 2009 12:02 PM (vLf8O)
Somebody tell that punk in the Oval Office that the buck stops there!
Posted by: Harry Truman at March 11, 2009 12:02 PM (VrNoa)
78 Ironic that Paglia is harder on Obama than some "on our side"?
And, yeah, Paglia defended Palin more than some of "our" bloggers who are nothing but attention whores.
But am I gonna git in trouble for snarking about an article that involves Rush?
Posted by: Ace And Allah's Communal Maxipad at March 11, 2009 12:03 PM (wnU1W)
79 Paglia is one of the few leftists that can actually be called a liberal in the true sense of the word.
Yeah, I've come to realize that she's damn near the only modern American liberal that's honest and honorable. I'm still rather confused by her soft spot for Obama, given the criticism she's leveled at him for the past year. She'll come around to the dark side though.
Why, yes, I've read Sexual Personae so much my copy if falling apart.
I'm on my second copy, AtC. Paglia's the one that got me to read Emily Dickinson, Shelley and Coleridge's Christabel. She hasn't pushed me to read de Sade though, I'm rather too vanilla for that.
Always loved that line at the end of the Introduction where she snarks about uppity women who write and argue like a man. Cracks me up.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at March 11, 2009 12:04 PM (ZR5Ik)
80 It's almost as if he doesn't have any executive experience.
Posted by: Rae Leggett at March 11, 2009 12:05 PM (lQYSK)
Looks like Fineman's on board, too.
Sort of. Fineman spends a good portion of the article with his nose in Obama's ass, reassuring us that he's still brilliant.
Just not about the presidency kind of stuff.
Posted by: sdkruiser at March 11, 2009 12:06 PM (CbpNa)
82 silly@75: "...Aren't these people embarassed?..."
No. (Obviously you know that already... rhetoricals and all.) They're getting theirs which is what matters. They're hypocritical and dishonorable as entities if not as individuals.
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at March 11, 2009 12:07 PM (swuwV)
83 I hope Obama's bladder control fails.
I wanted to wish his brakes would fail, but thought that might be a bit much.
Posted by: adolfo_velasquez at March 11, 2009 12:09 PM (igbTf)
84 Wasn't Obama's brilliance as Pres of the Harvard Law Review his ability to keep the lefties at bay and the moderates and right wingers talking to eachother?
I can't believe I want to say this. But Mr. President, tell us where you went to school and remind yourself what the fuck you were good at.
Posted by: WTF Capital Investments at March 11, 2009 12:11 PM (AHrTm)
85 Hey morons. After much searching, I have found the hottest woman in the world, and her daughter is for sale:
You don't have to thank me. I just bought stock in a sock company.
Posted by: outraged/whispering eye at March 11, 2009 12:12 PM (penCf)
86 Sort of. Fineman spends a good portion of the article with his nose in Obama's ass, reassuring us that he's still brilliant.
Just not about the presidency kind of stuff.
Yeah. But that's kinda what Paglia's doing, too. Noting the fuck-ups, but not ascribing them directly to Teh Onetm. That they're coming around this much already is kinda surprising. It's almost likeThe Lightworker has special powers or something.
Posted by: Tim at March 11, 2009 12:14 PM (3Wewy)
87 If you hire bad people, that's HR's fault (often). If you keep them,
that's management's fault. If the people right under the top person
suck donkey balls and the top manager keeps them around? It's either
because he's no good, or actually wants people who suck on donkey balls.
What's the symbol of the Democrat Party, friends?
Posted by: either orr at March 11, 2009 12:15 PM (UMePk)
88 I think that the "problem" isn't Rush Linbaugh or Jim Cramer or any of the others on the "enemies list". The problem is that the argument is being framed and controlled by the liberals and the democrats. A worse problem is that the republicans and the conservatives don't even see this because they allow the libs and the dems to do this to them time after time after time, ad naseum.
Posted by: silly at March 11, 2009 12:17 PM (zplc6)
89 the man is about as pure of intent as Carlo Gambino
Excuse me? I'm an honest businessman, not a politician! This is an insult. You have till, oh, 5 pm to retract that bit of libel. Or I'll sic my lawyers on ya.
You know what I'm sayin?
Posted by: Carlo Gambino at March 11, 2009 12:18 PM (1hM1d)
90 Fascinating, just as Jamie Dimon was getting interesting CNBC decided to take a break to "pay their bills". It wouldn't have anything to do with the fact that the truths he was sayinng, in reviewing 2007 and 2008 could possibly educate everyone a little more?
Posted by: silly at March 11, 2009 12:21 PM (zplc6)
91 "I've long since become accustomed to the fact that most of my fellow human beans are complete fucking idiots."
Puts me in mind of someone who said "BFD, 90% of everything is shit!", or something like that, in response to someone saying that a particular thing was 90% shit.
And yes, Ginger, I must agree you do need to learn to let your true feelings out. Don't keep them bottled up and leave us guessing any more, please.
Posted by: sherlock at March 11, 2009 12:23 PM (FsbnY)
92 This is new, how?
This has all happened before. It will all happen again.
Posted by: Caprica Six at March 11, 2009 12:28 PM (1hM1d)
93 "I wanted to wish his brakes would fail..."
Don't forget we are locked in the fucking trunk!
Posted by: sherlock at March 11, 2009 12:29 PM (jTT87)
94 I wonder if that Carville story will lead to the busting of the dam holding back in the memory hole all of the many references to "I hope Bush fails" by dems and MSM over the past 8 years.
Probably not, but its a good start. I love how Carville "commanded" the press to not report his just issued comments re bush failing on 09.11 and the press complied.
Isn't that exactly what Ayers got hammered on, saying "i wish i did more" in an article published on 9.11?
Anyway, whatever, the truth doesn't appear to matter.
Posted by: Anti-Harkonnen Freedom Fighter at March 11, 2009 12:31 PM (5r0Tz)
Don't forget that Paglia is very close friends with Rush. There was some big media event years ago any the organizers seated them next to each other, thinking there would be fireworks and epic drama between the arch-conservative and the liberal lesbian feminist, but they hit it off very well and shared a cigar. They've been good pals ever since. She sent in a recorded greeting for his anniversary show last year.
Posted by: ol_dirty_/b/tard at March 11, 2009 12:34 PM (FPGZT)
96 "I wanted to wish his brakes would fail..."
Don't forget we are locked in the fucking trunk!
I hate to say it, but we'd be better off with Ted Kennedy driving this car, even if we are locked in the trunk, the brakes are no good, and he's on a Chivas bender loaded to the gills.
Posted by: Purple Avenger at March 11, 2009 12:34 PM (Ygf78)
These are the same people that condoned oral sex in the Oval Office with an intern by a sitting and married president.
Actually, I'm shocked that here are any dissenters this early in the game.
Posted by: The Haimster at March 11, 2009 12:35 PM (6gDkC)
98 "Rumors running through Dem precincts in Chicago says Rahm has told confidants he's going to be the next Speaker."
He'll change his mind as soon as he's seen what Nancy's done to the office...
Anyone ever see that webpage about the guy who shared an apartment in college with some mentally-unstable nutjob, and basically sealed himself into his one bedroom (which happened to have a sliding glass door) once the insane-guy started to store up all his own shit in garbage bags?
For the one other AoS moron that knows what I'm talking about...yeah. That's what I'm thinking the next Speaker is going to discover on move-in-day. Bring some rubber gloves and a jar of VapoRub.
Posted by: reason at March 11, 2009 12:39 PM (F26eZ)
99 Dear Ms. Paglia - you can learn from the master:
"THE choice of servants
is of no little importance to a prince, and they are good or not according
to the discrimination of the prince. And the first opinion which one forms
of a prince, and of his understanding, is by observing the men he has
around him; and when they are capable and faithful he may always be
considered wise, because he has known how to recognize the capable and to
keep them faithful. But when they are otherwise one cannot form a good
opinion of him, for the prime error which he made was in choosing them"
Or you can learn from Harry Truman:
"The buck stops here."
In either case, the morons that surround Obama are of his choosing and as such are a reflection of both his character and competence - or lack thereof.
Still, she is to be commended for having far more guts and intellectual honesty than about 99.9999999999999% of her cohorts on the left.
Posted by: thirteen28 at March 11, 2009 12:40 PM (s8N54)
100 "I hate to say it, but we'd be better off with Ted Kennedy driving this
car, even if we are locked in the trunk, the brakes are no good, and
he's on a Chivas bender loaded to the gills."
This state of being is also known as "being awake" for Mr. Kennedy.
Posted by: thirteen28 at March 11, 2009 12:42 PM (s8N54)
101 paglia's article is nothing more than her putting mustard on a shit sandwich that she has been eating for the past 50 days becuse of jungle fever at the ballot box. hellhath no furry huh?
Posted by: exparatrooper at March 11, 2009 12:42 PM (Jk5AS)
102 Right on point. All these spooked pundits can'tignore the incompetence on broad display but also can'tbring themselves quite to blame Obama. So we see blame layed on advisors, the Republicans, CEOs, the Pelosi congress - everyone but the leader himself. All the bunch in this white house can do well is dirty politics, and so they settle back into their comfort zone (attacks on Rush, Santelli, Cramer) and ignore the real work to be done because it is too hard.
Posted by: roger rainey at March 11, 2009 12:43 PM (u8mtC)
103 When our petulant children want nipple piercings and tramp stamps, it's up to the adults to rein them back in to civilized society.
Barry is just hanging with the wrong crowd.
Posted by: Camille in summary... at March 11, 2009 12:44 PM (GtdJ7)
104 And they are saying we are being uncooperative?: (from dealbreaker) "AIG's Small London Office May Have Lost $500B" "Ground zero for AIG's spectacular implosion, which has soaked up more federal bailout money than any other entity,
appears to have been a small London branch office that may have lost
nearly half a trillion dollars in bad deals." http://tinyurl.com/d864tm
Posted by: silly at March 11, 2009 12:53 PM (zplc6)
105 She sent in a recorded greeting for his anniversary show last year.
Oh yes. And I've heard him mentioning something she's written on air and saying hi because he knows she's listening.
Posted by: alexthechick at March 11, 2009 12:54 PM (SHHaV)
106 The fresh printz of Bill Ayers.Like the reverand Jimmie Jones said in Jonestown-drink the kool aid.
Posted by: chicocano at March 11, 2009 12:55 PM (P2bg4)
107 "To attack Rush Limbaugh is to attack his audience -- and to intensify the loyalty of his fan base."
hmmm... Camille seems to be able to see clearly what some ppl on our side still can't see. which is why the GOP is such a stinking pile of spineless wonders.
Posted by: shoey at March 11, 2009 01:01 PM (IRh55)
108 These are the same people that condoned oral sex in the Oval Office with an intern by a sitting and married president.
Of course he was sitting. When he tried itstanding up his knees shook.
I'll be here all week. Please tip your waitress.
Posted by: Shecky Hackett at March 11, 2009 01:04 PM (knHvu)
109 Kinda off topic, but kinda not: Did anyone hear "Wait Wait, Don't Tell Me - The NPR News Quiz!" this weekend? Eat me, it's on after Car Talk. I was wondering if they were going to mention the gift scandal with Gordon Brown. After all, you can't mention it without making His Holiness look bad, but it was news. Well, they found a way. They brought it up, but neglected mention Brown's gift to Obama and made like that "25 Movies for 25 Bucks!" box set was a perfectly good gift. ("It's the thought that counts!") Oh, and there was a pathetic shot at the Iraq war and a couple of shots making Britain look like a bunch of shitheels. They just can't bring themselves to make fun of their new god.
Honestly, he could start burying bodies in the rose garden and the Left would still worship him.
Posted by: Beppo at March 11, 2009 01:15 PM (Ka5Jh)
110 rainey - if you really want to get a glimpse of the horseshit we have to look forward to coming out of the dnc(liberal media)take a look at the dncwebsite and the history section of the dnc. after reading it i simply asked myself the question "why did i serve"! its amazing how libs conveniently herald jefferson and jackson as their party leaders under the flag ofchampionsof liberty and forget about the small things they engaged in like jefferson having slaves (i guess if you’re banging them, and have children with them, it’s okay to own them), and jackson, that guy is responsible for the trail of tears (however, that okay to is you own slaves and need land to farm for them to work on which was owned by the native americans).
our first black president bho runs around claiming to be lincoln, the press (paglia) never questions him on it, please someone give me a white house press pass, i am not afraid to ask his grace "if lincoln is your hero, why are you a member of the dnc, a group which supported slavery in the south as well as native american genocide, and now abortion, all of which happened and now happen because we continue to regard certain sectors of our society as property, why are you a member of any party?
paglia is a good writer, and very smart, however its not in a libs nature to do the right things because they believe they are superior and that they don't make mistakes, just look at all the dems out in the public now that the media could be going after instead of obama, and still they give them a pass: edwards, pelosi, rangel, etc, etc. instead they all focus on rush.
Posted by: exparatrooper at March 11, 2009 01:15 PM (Jk5AS)
111 She always seems to be enjoying herself.
That's because she doesn't hate Limbaugh or Palin or any other conservative she writes about.. That's the difference. Other lefty pundits first hate, and then they try to disguise or justify their hatred with bullshit reasons. This is why lefty punditry is so often incoherent and nonsensical. Once hate is fundamental, any reason to support it will do.
Posted by: OregonMuse at March 11, 2009 01:33 PM (FO+YO)
112 All these spooked pundits can'tignore the incompetence on broad display but also can'tbring themselves quite to blame Obama.
Posted by: Tim at March 11, 2009 01:34 PM (3Wewy)
113 Hey, can I just pipe in for a moment in defense of Nazi references?
I love Godwin's Law. Love it. It's neat. It's also highly misunderstood.
The point of Godwin's Law is not to avoid making Nazi references. Rather, Godwin's Law simply states that the odds of a Nazi reference increase the longer an Internet discussion goes on. It makes no judgment, however, about that phenomenon. It does not mean that the person who makes the reference loses the argument.
Think about it. That's just silly, anyway. If a Nazi reference makes sense, why should that lose the argument?
I love Godwin's Law.
Posted by: Kensington at March 11, 2009 01:36 PM (90mpl)
114 "Kinda off topic, but kinda not: Did anyone hear "Wait Wait, Don't Tell
Me - The NPR News Quiz!""
*checks pants, finds testicles*
No, no I didn't. I have testicles.
"this weekend? Eat me, it's on after Car Talk."
Listening to those two douchebags is a defense for listening to those other douchebags!?! Eat me!
Seriously, doesn't P.J. O'Rourke participate on Wait, Wait? If you ask me, you can trace his devolution as an interesting writer to his involvement there.
Posted by: Kensington at March 11, 2009 01:40 PM (90mpl)
115 "The scary thing is that even the dudes are going weak in the knees. David Brooks, Frum, all the rest."
It doesn't scare me because neither Brooks nor Frum are actually dudes.
Posted by: Kensington at March 11, 2009 01:43 PM (90mpl)
116 "Are these people packing [Obama's] lunch and kissing him on the forehead every morning when he leaves for the West Wing?"
I think most of them would rub his head for luck if they thought they could get away with it.
Posted by: Kensington at March 11, 2009 01:46 PM (90mpl)
117 "Just googled 'Obama's Cabinet'. It wasn't to third page that there was
a link to anything negative, at that was an article about his third
nominee to bow out!"
Thanks! We'll get right to work burying that!
Posted by: Google at March 11, 2009 01:47 PM (90mpl)
118 "Ahhh jeez, are you two gay or something? Knock off the Paglia petting, please."
I don't think you're quite clear on the whole "gay" thing. It doesn't usually apply to men petting women.
Posted by: Google at March 11, 2009 01:49 PM (90mpl)
119 104 And they are saying we are being uncooperative?: (from dealbreaker) "AIG's Small London Office May Have Lost $500B" "Ground zero for AIG's spectacular implosion, which has soaked up more federal bailout money than any other entity, appears to have been a small London branch office that may have lost nearly half a trillion dollars in bad deals." http://tinyurl.com/d864tm
Posted by: silly at March 11, 2009 12:53 PM (zplc6)
Tiny but mighty! Holy shit. I asked a statistician friend of mine the other day to come up with a mathematical model quantifying just how fucked we are; I'll have to ask her to work faster.
Posted by: Fallen Sparrow at March 11, 2009 01:51 PM (SOf9N)
I like when Ginger lets it all go. Sometimes a little splashesover thisway.
AoS commenters must be chivalrously protective of the women here. They are exquisite beings, a delicate balance of reason and beauty, rare in their aesthetic sensibility, and fully capable of driving a patent leather spike heel through a scrotum without breaking stride. You back slowly away from Ginger. Ginger can say what the fucking hell she feels like saying. And you'll bunk it, too.
Posted by: comatus at March 11, 2009 02:23 PM (6YWPL)
121 comatus at March 11, 2009 02:23 PM (6YWPL), I wasn't picking on Ginger at all, I enjoy her posts and the way she just says it like it is, I was joking with her.
Posted by: silly at March 11, 2009 02:52 PM (zplc6)
122 Yeah I thought Paglia's piece was a bit odd and irrational from someone who usually is brutally honest and while a sexually-obsessed mess has a sort of integrity. She gave President Obama a total pass on choosing this hapless batch of incompetent idealogues for the job.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at March 11, 2009 03:30 PM (PQY7w)
123 Sounds like the whining you get from communists: If only Comrade Stalin knew what was being done in his name, he would correct it. Could someone be that stupid to think he would have a bunch of idiots around him. Yes, someone is that stupid.
Posted by: Federale at March 11, 2009 04:35 PM (Jebda)
124 Why insult Don Carlo Gambino?
He may not be a choirboy but he'd never sink to the levels of President BO.
Posted by: Thomas Jackson at March 11, 2009 09:45 PM (0Qynq)
125 @52: Limbaugh, a staunch conservative, emphasized that he is rooting for the failure of Obama's
What Rush meant is so bleeding obvious that the only reason anyone with an I.Q. above that of a snail darter can't see it is because they don't want to see it. People can be stubborn that way....
The late Molly Ivins was a dyed-in-the-wool liberal, but she did get one thing right. One of her mottoes was: No matter how good your argument, no matter how exhaustive your evidence, people will never understand what you're saying if they have a vested interest in NOT understanding.
Posted by: Kathy from Kansas at March 12, 2009 01:35 AM (ERBcY)
126 @ 85
Cute girls, sure, but that mum is probably a fair indicator of what the husbands have to look forward to in twenty years (tops). Very, um, Karl Malden.
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at March 12, 2009 06:14 AM (lCekP)
127 Pol Pot would have been better.
It's a political drug.
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