China Tests The New Kid UPDATE: Not The First Time This Has Happened Recently

Chalk one up for Sheriff Joe, the Chinese (aka, the underwriters of Obama's debt run up) are checking out how Obama will respond to a push.

Five Chinese ships including a Chinese naval vessel harassed a U.S. Navy ship in the South China Sea on Sunday, at one point closing to within 25 feet of the ocean surveillance ship, the Pentagon said.
A Defense Department statement said the Chinese vessels "shadowed and aggressively maneuvered in dangerously close proximity" to the USS Impeccable, which was conducting routine operations in international waters 75 miles south of Hainan Island.
The Pentagon identified the Chinese vessels as a Navy intelligence ship, a bureau of maritime fisheries patrol vessel, a state oceanographic administration patrol vessel, and two small Chinese-flagged trawlers.
...The Navy ship responded by spraying one of the vessels with its fire hoses, but the Chinese ship closed further to within 25 feet and its crew members disrobed to their underwear, the Pentagon said.

I'm guessing in Chinese culture underwear is a great insult as opposed just being silly and rather embarrassing.

Let's see if the State Department can come with the right word in Mandarin for 'reset' or more likely 'keep buying our bonds, please'.

UPDATE: This is apparently only the most recent in a series of incidents at sea between Chinese vessels and US intelligence ships.

US responds with low level public protest.

That strikes me as about right. This kind of crap is just a bit of ritual harassment. You can't react to everything by going right to Eleventy!!!1!11!! There are bigger fish to fry in the China-US relationship (economics and Taiwan to name but two) and you can't hold the big issues hostage to this crap. You can say you have to hold the line everywhere or they will take more but you can also argue they simply want to see if they can rattle Team Obama and get under their skin. Better not to give them the satisfaction on the first round and see if they back away or ratchet it up, then adjust our response accordingly.

Posted by: DrewM. at 11:32 AM

Comments

1 Boxers or briefs?

Posted by: John Galt at March 09, 2009 11:35 AM (SDkq3)

2 The Navy ship responded by spraying one of the vessels with its fire hoses, but the Chinese ship closed further to within 25 feet and its crew members disrobed to their underwear, the Pentagon said.

Time to turn the pressure up on the fire pumps.

Posted by: David in San Diego at March 09, 2009 11:36 AM (GF+6V)

Posted by: David in San Diego at March 09, 2009 11:37 AM (GF+6V)

4 Nice to see that fuckery on the high seas is alive and well.

Note to the Chinese: the disrobing trick is only cool if you have a co-ed crew!

Unless your target is the Royal Navy.

Posted by: Militant Bibliophile at March 09, 2009 11:37 AM (bl4xn)

Arrr, prepare to be boarded!

Surrender the booty!

Posted by: Gay Chinese Pirate at March 09, 2009 11:37 AM (m6c4H)

6 The real question is, What were they up too while they were distracting our "eyes" in the South China Sea?

Posted by: Jean at March 09, 2009 11:39 AM (L64A6)

7 Yea, they did the same thing to GW. Just glad our Navy knows what it is doing and knows how to respond. Imagine if BO was on board? The white flag would have been out faster than Bill Clinton dropping his pants. In fact, the white flag would be Ole Bill in white boxers.

Posted by: MikeH at March 09, 2009 11:39 AM (LdYLm)

8 I take it none of the Navy officers rolled around the deck in laughter while pointing at the disrobed Chinese?

Posted by: IC at March 09, 2009 11:39 AM (jZNCU)

Hmm...next stop, SSN? (Tom Clancy book depicting a hypothetical war between China and the US).

In the end, there will be only chaos!

Posted by: Kratos (on the back of Gaia, scaling Mt Olympus) at March 09, 2009 11:40 AM (9hSKh)

10 Oh, and have the nozzles set to stream instead of spray.

Posted by: David in San Diego at March 09, 2009 11:41 AM (GF+6V)

11 Take a good long look, kids. This is the sort of crap that happens to paper tigers.

Plus, they got their guy in the White House.

Besides, seeing as how the ChiComs are about to own a huge chunk of our debt I suppose they think that gives them the right to make a little sport of us. And, well, seeing as how our likely response is some Harumph-ing and perhaps the proverbial "Strongly Worded Letter", why should they think otherwise?

Posted by: DocJ at March 09, 2009 11:41 AM (g8ibn)

12
lol @ chinese navy

Theses people can't even drive cars.

(no offense, but it's true)

Posted by: Darling the Entertainer at March 09, 2009 11:42 AM (0svdO)

13 Unless your target is the Royal Navy.
There is no sodomy in the Royal Navy. That's right out.

Posted by: Rear Admiral Dorian Smith-Smythe at March 09, 2009 11:42 AM (TpHGM)

14 Hey imperialist running dogs!
Don't make us sell your bonds- AAHAAHAAAAA!!

Posted by: jjshaka at March 09, 2009 11:42 AM (4CiSu)

15 Sullivan!!! Drop that ass!

Posted by: Rear Admiral Dorian Smith-Smythe at March 09, 2009 11:42 AM (TpHGM)

16 I'm not sure what The Impeccable's function is as a vessel, but that ship just looks absolutely badass. Maybe it's just me, but if there is a boat out there that looks like it could literally swallow my boat whole...I'd probably leave it alone. Or, at least keep my clothes on.

Posted by: reason at March 09, 2009 11:43 AM (+hPIb)

and its crew members disrobed to their underwear, the Pentagon said.

ass pirates...http://tinyurl.com/aaia

Posted by: outraged at March 09, 2009 11:44 AM (penCf)

18
The Chinese are funny, though. They like to razz the new prez in the first few months with silly antics.

Remember back in April 2001 when the Chinese wouldn't allow our spy plane to fly out of China after it made an emergeny landing and made Bush dismantle the plane and ship it out in pieces?

Yeah, that was a howl.

Posted by: Darling the Entertainer at March 09, 2009 11:44 AM (0svdO)

Is everyone sure that they just weren't helping with a remake of the Sand Pebbles?

Posted by: andycanuck at March 09, 2009 11:44 AM (TpHGM)

20 So.. economic crisis = Obama overwhelmed

What would Economic Crisis + Military Conflict = ?

Posted by: Dave C at March 09, 2009 11:46 AM (n7fMd)

21 Hainan Island ... say, did the ChiComms ever return those intel tapes they grabbed off our surveillance plane?

Posted by: Michael Rittenhouse at March 09, 2009 11:47 AM (2QFX4)

22 Maybe the Chinese message is meant for us for electing Obama. Maybe they think the guy is a useless bag-o-shit and we need waking up.

Posted by: Old Sailor at March 09, 2009 11:49 AM (/Ft4q)

23 Latest communique from the State Department to the Chinese:

拧紧我们象肥胖帝国主义的狗我们是

Posted by: David in San Diego at March 09, 2009 11:49 AM (GF+6V)

24 Obama will solve this crisis by diplomacy.

And if that doesn't work?

More diplomacy!

Posted by: OregonMuse at March 09, 2009 11:50 AM (FO+YO)

25
拧紧我们象肥胖帝国主义的狗我们是

Two-for-one night at the Tiki Room Restaurant?

Try again, Mrs. Clinton.

Posted by: Darling the Entertainer at March 09, 2009 11:50 AM (0svdO)

26 I guess as long as Hillary is going around pushing buttons the Chinese figure they can too.

The whole incident sounds like the Chinese announcers from that South park volley ball episode.....I mean what the fuck is with the underwear? Didn't they have any shoes to throw?

Posted by: Rocks at March 09, 2009 11:51 AM (Q1lie)

27 Then again, this got me to thinking - is this what Slo Joe was talking about back in the day about Obambi being "tested"? This? - a gaggle of ChiCom sailors dropping trau at a warship?

Or maybe they're just starting with the slo-pitch before they move on Taiwan, eh?

Posted by: DocJ at March 09, 2009 11:52 AM (g8ibn)

28 拧紧我们象肥胖帝国主义的狗我们是

Screw us like the fat imperialistic dogs that we are

In case you don't have BabbleFish

Posted by: David in San Diego at March 09, 2009 11:53 AM (GF+6V)

29 I am absolutely certain this was not a game. Given the fragile bond and equity markets and the enormous unemployment problem in China, if this was authorized from Beijing it was done because something else more important was happening in the South China Sea - not that any of us will ever get to find out.

If it wasn't authorized, some Admiral may want to consider defecting.

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Posted by: kidney at March 09, 2009 11:57 AM (FgUFX)

34
Obama will solve this crisis by diplomacy.
And if that doesn't work?
More diplomacy! Look the other way when China takes over Taiwan!

Fixed.

Posted by: Darling the Entertainer at March 09, 2009 11:57 AM (0svdO)

35 G-d help us all if China decides to invade the true China--Taiwan--in the next 4-years. Obama would rush Hilary over there for a photo op,"dialogue", and maybe some egg rolls in a doggy bag for Obama.

Posted by: Comrade Tovya at March 09, 2009 11:58 AM (DAaYy)

36 If I were the Taiwanese, I'd be seriously thinking about making the best deal I could with the PRC about now. There has always been some doubt about whether the US would protect Taiwan, but I would think that all doubt has now been removed.

Posted by: chris999 at March 09, 2009 11:58 AM (B/WwP)

37 All ur stimuluz planz are belong to us!

Posted by: Andy at March 09, 2009 11:59 AM (WsTw8)

Forgive the ill-informed comment --

Does our government still recognize Taiwan as an independent coutry?

Posted by: FireHorse at March 09, 2009 12:00 PM (5KNeJ)

#38

Nope. One China policy.

Posted by: mitthrawnurdo at March 09, 2009 12:03 PM (9hSKh)

40 Were their pecs as chiseled and toned as Teh Messiah's? Probably not, so we got nothin' to worrry about.

Posted by: Tim at March 09, 2009 12:05 PM (3Wewy)

41 36 If I were the Taiwanese, I'd be seriously thinking about making the best deal I could with the PRC about now. There has always been some doubt about whether the US would protect Taiwan, but I would think that all doubt has now been removed.

If I were the Taiwanese, I'd start negotiating with the Israelis for nuke tech.

Taiwan's close enough to the mainland that a delivery system (missile, jet, etc.) wouldn't have to go far to completely mess up Beijing and the rest of the country in a permanent way.

The threat of the Red China party elite glowing in the dark may be enough to get the Taiwanese through the next 3+ years.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at March 09, 2009 12:05 PM (XOTI3)

42 This article is another candidate for the newspaper's "Things Other Than Obama's Stunning Ineptitude To Report Upon" list.

Obama did miss a good photo-op, a good chance to display his leadership qualities. I can see him in his Gilligan's Island skipper's hat directing the valiant fire hoses from the bridge of the Minnow. Mission accomplished!

Posted by: t-bird at March 09, 2009 12:06 PM (FcR7P)

#18 Darling

I thought the exact the same thing when I read this. People have completely forgotten about that incident, but at the time it was a big freakin' deal. Nothing says audacity like a bunch of no-dicks dropping trow at an American ship.

Posted by: Blue Balls The Pirate at March 09, 2009 12:06 PM (uw+0A)

44 There's a lot of water between Taiwan and the mainland. I've never seen the PRC demonstrate the capability to dominate the air at an extended range, nor deploy the airlift/sealift required. The can however threaten with rockets, at which point the Taiwanese demonstrate that they are a nuclear power with a small, well documented underwater test. Crisis over.

Posted by: Jean at March 09, 2009 12:06 PM (L64A6)

45 That's truly hysterical. The Chinese just mooned us.

fucking eh...........

Posted by: Anti-Harkonnen Freedom Fighter at March 09, 2009 12:08 PM (5r0Tz)

46 The Navy ship responded by spraying one of the vessels with its fire hoses, but the Chinese ship closed further to within 25 feet and its crew members disrobed to their underwear, the Pentagon said.

How...random. Note to the Chinese: It helps if the people you're supposedly insulting actually understand the insult. Otherwise you just look fucking insane.

Posted by: Benson at March 09, 2009 12:09 PM (qzcNU)

47 "Be nice to them, who will buy our debt?" (overheard in an elevator on the way to a financial company

Posted by: silly at March 09, 2009 12:11 PM (zplc6)

What are the Chinese up to? Seriously? I mean I can't imagine the Chinese government ordering this kind of thing for no good reason. It does seem a tad bit frat boyish.

I was going to mock the name of the US Navy vessel, as just reading it put me in mind of a crew of Martha Stewarts sailing around ensuring other countries are neat and tidy. But then I went to Wikipedia and saw a picture of it, and that is one seriously bad ass vessel. If it came anywhere near me I'd probably drop my pants too, and promptly piss all over myself.

Posted by: ParanoidInSeattle at March 09, 2009 12:12 PM (AJ4xq)

49 Brandon

If I were the Taiwanese, I'd start negotiating with the Israelis for nuke tech.

I personally believe the Taiwanese are about snugging up 4 bolts and conducting a test from being a nuclear power. There was an interesting history of Tiawan, Israel, and South Africa developing and trading arms. Kinda like the AQ Khan/NOrk network run by adults and good engineers.

Posted by: Jean at March 09, 2009 12:13 PM (L64A6)

50 BHO will respond by sacking the Impeccable's CO for obviously infuriating the Chinese and forcing them to take their clothes off.

Posted by: Penfold at March 09, 2009 12:15 PM (lF2Kk)

51 My money is on a new submarine trial.

Posted by: Jean at March 09, 2009 12:17 PM (L64A6)

Rear Admiral Dorian Smith-Smythe

What, you can't decide if you want to spell Smith Celtic/Brythonic style or Anglican/Saxon?

Whichever it is, make up your damn mind and start carbombing the other side.

Posted by: Gay Chinese Pirate at March 09, 2009 12:18 PM (m6c4H)

53 Doh

Posted by: Entropy at March 09, 2009 12:21 PM (m6c4H)

54 From what I read the US ship was a non-military mapping vessel in international waters. The crew was merchant marines.

Why would the Chinese pick on them?

Posted by: Long Island at March 09, 2009 12:22 PM (/QzyE)

55 The Chinese know they have the upper hand when it comes to America and therefore, are able to mock us at their will. What are we going to do? What can we do when we are so beholden to them economically?

Posted by: IC at March 09, 2009 12:22 PM (jZNCU)

56 The other part of the EP-3 Hainan incident, the one that doesn't get repeated much, is that the hotshot Chinese asshole in the J8 that bumped into our guys while trying to maneuver close enough to fuck with them got his ass zapped in the crash.

Posted by: Dave in Texas at March 09, 2009 12:24 PM (eiOZw)

Does our government still recognize Taiwan as an independent coutry?

Uh, not since Nixon went to China.

Posted by: Entropy at March 09, 2009 12:25 PM (m6c4H)

58 My money is on a new submarine trial.

I would put money on that too.

Posted by: stace at March 09, 2009 12:26 PM (g/wgk)

59 Chinese pirates?

I'm sure they'll listen to Reason.

/sci fi geek

Posted by: Fisheye at March 09, 2009 12:27 PM (xWk3U)

My money is on a new submarine trial.

Good guess.

The design is called SWATH - Small Waterplane Area Twin Hull.

They are very stable in heavy seas. These ships were designed to tow a long array of passive sonar microphones in the North Atlantic to hunt for submarines. And probably record acoustic characteristics.

Posted by: icus at March 09, 2009 12:27 PM (Ozf6a)

61 "Thirty-two percent (32%) now Strongly Disapprove of the President�s performance, the highest level of disapproval measured to date." http://tinyurl.com/5tnd2b (Scroll down for the chart, now that is interesting.)

Posted by: silly at March 09, 2009 12:28 PM (zplc6)

62 What are the Chinese up to? Seriously?

Crap like this happens more or less all the time.
Between allies.
During/at the end of an exercise.
With the skippers KNOWING what's going on.

The randomness of this event gives it the tone of them thumbing their noses in our direction: mildly insulting without being overt. At this point, it's just fuckery. The EP-3 event back in 2001 was just fuckery too...until an incompetent Chinese pilot ran into our bird and forced it down. THEN it became an international incident that had a WHOLE lot of people very nervous!

That tends to happen when practical jokes between folks who ain't on the best of terms go bad.

(My more or less flippant attitude should NOT be seen as my not taking this seriously. All I'm saying, is that it's more of a potential issue than a real one as these guys are still trying to be funny. When they stop, THEN I'll start worrying)

Posted by: Militant Bibliophile at March 09, 2009 12:29 PM (bl4xn)

63 Long Island @ 54

From what I read the US ship was a non-military mapping vessel in international waters. The crew was merchant marines.

Why would the Chinese pick on them?

Go read up on that vessel, roughly equivalent to the EP-3 they screwed with last time. Somebody didn't want us listening to their new dance mix while they were practicing.

Posted by: Jean at March 09, 2009 12:32 PM (L64A6)

the Chinese (aka, the underwriters of Obama's debt run up)

The Chinese were nice enough to buy bonds from Bush I, Reagan and Bush II during their debt run-ups. So they have us by the balls now.

Posted by: icus at March 09, 2009 12:33 PM (Ozf6a)

65 "54 From what I read the US ship was a non-military mapping vessel in international waters. The crew was merchant marines.

Why would the Chinese pick on them?

Posted by: Long Island at March 09, 2009 12:22 PM (/QzyE)"

good question. I hope they throughly search and disinfect that ship before it comes into any American port. Heard their termites are scary. Didn't some bug from them come over to feast on the citrus crops in Florida and CA? Don't they regularly have outbreaks of bird flu?

Posted by: silly at March 09, 2009 12:34 PM (zplc6)

66 The other part of the EP-3 Hainan incident, the one that doesn't get repeated much, is that the hotshot Chinese asshole in the J8 that bumped into our guys while trying to maneuver close enough to fuck with them got his ass zapped in the crash.

Which is why I think it's interesting the Chinese went with naval harassment this time. They still get to play their silly game but with a much larger margin of error. A slight miscalculation leading to a bump at sea doesn't equal a dead crew and a crippled vessel suddenly showing up on their territory.

They seemed to have learned the lesson of their last attempt at fuck with the new guy.

Posted by: DrewM. at March 09, 2009 12:34 PM (hlYel)

Do the Chinese REALLY know what they're risking when they moon an American naval vessel. When their pants came down, they're lucky 200 fun boys with hard-ons from the American ship didn't swoop over via boarding lines like something out of Pirates of the Carribean.

Posted by: Blue Balls The Pirate at March 09, 2009 12:34 PM (uw+0A)

The Chinese just built a massive new submarine facility in the region, and I assume that this vessel was part of the mapping. If the quality of my apartment/ everything in this country is a good indication, the Chinese Navy ain't much to worry about.

Posted by: In Exile at March 09, 2009 12:35 PM (qBUgy)

69 @58, "China operates the largest submarine force among Asian countries, consisting of 8~10 nuclear-powered submarines and 50~60 diesel-electric submarines. The second-generation Type 093/Shang Class nuclear-powered attack submarine and Type 094/Jin Class nuclear-powered missile submarine have already entered service. Older Type 033/Romeo Class and Type 035/Ming Class diesel-electric submarines, which were based on the 1950s-era Soviet technology, are being gradually replaced by the newer indigenous Type 039/Song class and Russian-built Kilo Class. The even newer Yuan Class has also entered batch production"

Maybe Yaun class?

Posted by: MikeH at March 09, 2009 12:37 PM (LdYLm)

70 "64 the Chinese (aka, the underwriters of Obama's debt run up)

The Chinese were nice enough to buy bonds from Bush I, Reagan and Bush II during their debt run-ups. So they have us by the balls now.

Posted by: icus at March 09, 2009 12:33 PM (Ozf6a"

Didn't Timmay say something about that debt when he started his new job? Poor guy, hasn't been able to get it together since. Makes you wonder what information a potential job candidates get that would scare the crap out of them and make them bow out of the process.

Posted by: silly at March 09, 2009 12:37 PM (zplc6)

71 and Yes this shit happens all of the time. You would just think that Beijing would not want to do this when the markets are a bit jittery. There leaders are better Capitalist then ours right now.

Posted by: Jean at March 09, 2009 12:38 PM (L64A6)

72 "Chief, set firehose temperature for 'poach.'"

"Aye, sir!"

Posted by: General Zod at March 09, 2009 12:38 PM (XcsD4)

73 So they have us by the balls now.

Really? People used to think that about the Japanese, especially when they bought up US debt and real estate in the 70s-80s. As I recall, it only took a small recession in the early 90s to almost tank several Japanese companies.

The debt dance is a two-way street.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at March 09, 2009 12:40 PM (ZR5Ik)

74 72, or include the DS2 mix.

Posted by: Jean at March 09, 2009 12:40 PM (L64A6)

Vessles? A hosing down? Disrobing? Chinese seamen?

Are they sure this wasn't a pron shoot?

Posted by: 3rd_Bird at March 09, 2009 12:41 PM (zPK2W)

76 @70 " Didn't Timmay say something about that debt when he started his new job? Poor guy, hasn't been able to get it together since. Makes you wonder what information a potential job candidates get that would scare the crap out of them and make them bow out of the process."

I heard on the Beltway Boys that SEVENTEEN (17) people Gietner asked to work for him - turned him down. They can see what is going to happen.

Posted by: MikeH at March 09, 2009 12:42 PM (LdYLm)

77 Trust me, you don't want to know who has me by the balls.

Posted by: isuc at March 09, 2009 12:42 PM (f7A+e)

78 Posted by: icus at March 09, 2009 12:33 PM (Ozf6a)

We've got each other by the balls. We're like Citi or AGI to them...to big to fail.

Remember, if you owe the bank 10,000 dollars, that's your problem. If you owe the bank 10 billion dollars, that's their problem. Now how much do we owe China again?

Posted by: DrewM. at March 09, 2009 12:44 PM (hlYel)

79 BALLS!

Posted by: Tom at March 09, 2009 12:44 PM (f7A+e)

80 Did anyone check Sun Tzu for "disrobing sailors'? Mayhaps a sub was passing underneath simultaneously? They hadn't showered in weeks? Monty Python..."I disrobe in your general direction?". Your government sold us your boat 2 weeks ago? Getting ready to "swim over" some takeout? "Man stim stop wow!" "We lost our shirts in your mortgage markets!" Human dolphin wave attacks? Our clothing has too much lead. Could be anything really.

Posted by: Jon Brooks at March 09, 2009 12:45 PM (oaTlF)

So they have us by the balls now.

The same way the banks have all those subprime borrowers by the balls? Maybe what you feel is your own self giving you a reach around.

Posted by: Burns Slant Drilling at March 09, 2009 12:46 PM (k7SeR)

After reading these comments and also the write-up of the USS Impeccable I'm putting my money on a distraction while the Chinese did something with one of their submarines. I'm hoping that the US Navy was smart enough to take this for what it was and continued to monitor what they were monitoring anyway.

Is there too much gallows humor in starting a pool to see which country is the one who succeeds in fucking us up first?

Posted by: ParanoidInSeattle at March 09, 2009 12:47 PM (AJ4xq)

Maybe they were just Tobias' hot sailors looking for the wrong vessel?

Posted by: In Exile at March 09, 2009 12:47 PM (qBUgy)

Did anyone check Sun Tzu for "disrobing sailors'?

Maybe that's just how they say herro.

Posted by: Burns Slant Drilling at March 09, 2009 12:48 PM (k7SeR)

85 Those bonds and real estate aren't moving to China. Mi problema, Su problema.

One could worry about IP in tech firms; but they would have to get lots of people willing to relocate to make the magic happen. That require mean high standards of living, personal freedom, and a clean environment - whoops, better buy bonds they don't get uppity.

Posted by: Jean at March 09, 2009 12:49 PM (L64A6)

China has a lot of problems on the horizen, and not just the whole 'communism' thing.

http://tinyurl.com/cd7dbq

Posted by: outraged at March 09, 2009 12:49 PM (penCf)

87 Technically its a USNS designated ship not USS. Which means painted grey, no guns.

Posted by: Jean at March 09, 2009 12:50 PM (L64A6)

88 #52 Sod off, Gay Chinese Pirate, or I'll send HMS Fabulous to give you a good, hard tongue lashing.

Posted by: Rear Admiral Dorian Smith-Smythe at March 09, 2009 12:51 PM (TpHGM)

89 And Sullivan! Drop that fucking goat!!!

Posted by: Rear Admiral Dorian Smith-Smythe at March 09, 2009 12:52 PM (TpHGM)

90 Ahh, I just remembered that Python sketch.

Posted by: Entropy at March 09, 2009 12:56 PM (m6c4H)

91 And I don't care if he begged for it, get your dick out of icus, too.

Posted by: Rear Admiral Dorian Smith-Smythe at March 09, 2009 12:56 PM (TpHGM)

92 I guess the Chinese didn't buy any bonds during Clinton's eight years according to icus. I know they bought some previously banned technology though.

Posted by: polynikes at March 09, 2009 12:58 PM (m2CN7)

That's truly hysterical. The Chinese just mooned us.

Obamuh will respond by scratching his cheek and flipping them the bird. Gawd I'm glad I have a president who does cool shit like that.

Posted by: Lemmiwinks at March 09, 2009 01:00 PM (CiVat)

94 Send a carrier battle group through the Taiwan Strait. Apologize offhandedly for not informing the Chinese ahead of time.

Send Hillary to Beijing with another button box. When they press the button, have the box open to reveal rolls of toilet paper printed to look like T-bills. Laugh that hearty Hillarian laugh.

Posted by: Randumb ideas at March 09, 2009 01:01 PM (YJkgW)

95 @92, Hell, why buy bonds when you can buy satellite technology? Notice how the Chinese Space program bogged down the last five years? Wait...

Posted by: MikeH at March 09, 2009 01:01 PM (LdYLm)

96 The Chinese were nice enough to buy bonds from Bush I, Reagan and Bush II during their debt run-ups.

Interesting timeline. The Chinese took a pass during Clinton's term of office? So all those Chinese guys that Slick set up in the Lincoln Bedroom were just there for a wacky, fun-filled sleep-over?

Posted by: OregonMuse at March 09, 2009 01:02 PM (FO+YO)

97 The whole unarmed and unafraid meme is great when your at Mach 3 and climbing part 80,000 ft. it's not so great when your on a big slow tub or old P-3.

Those guys on the Impeccable, military and civilian, need a big quiet thumbs up. If somebody makes a mistake or things go hot - they are the first ones getting wet.

Posted by: Jean at March 09, 2009 01:05 PM (L64A6)

98 The Chinese were nice enough to buy bonds from Bush I, Reagan and Bush II during their debt run-ups.
Under Clinton they were given an entire space program free-of-charge.

Posted by: Lemmiwinks at March 09, 2009 01:06 PM (CiVat)

North Korea on full combat readiness because of US/S Korea's military exercises.

It called the drills a provocation that would only occur "on the eve of a war," and threatened to cut off its hotline with the South's military -- the one telephone link between the two armies who are massed either side of the border that has divided them for more than half a century.

http://tinyurl.com/bbag9p

Posted by: outraged at March 09, 2009 01:06 PM (penCf)

100 Fun times in Asia...

Posted by: In Exile at March 09, 2009 01:08 PM (qBUgy)

101
The Chinese were nice enough to buy bonds from Bush I, Reagan and Bush II during their debt run-ups.

Not during Clinton's reign, huh? Weird. According to icus, the Chins did not buy our bonds from 1/1993-1/2001.

Posted by: Darling the Entertainer at March 09, 2009 01:09 PM (0svdO)

102 Imperialist lackeys! Our ships check to see if your president want Cream of Sum Yung Gai

Posted by: Hu Flung Pu at March 09, 2009 01:10 PM (X4Gkz)

103

OT (paging John Galt)

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Oh, I'm sure that the Chinese bought bonds during Clinton, but the debt was not run up under Clinton, it was paid down.

Posted by: icus at March 09, 2009 01:17 PM (Ozf6a)

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Posted by: IllTemperedCur at March 09, 2009 01:19 PM (ZR5Ik)

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If the US ship commander didn't order an immediate all-hands-on-deck broadside mooning of the offending Chinese vessel, he should be recalled to base and cashiered!

Posted by: Steamboat McGoo at March 09, 2009 01:20 PM (58OxE)

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Posted by: Steve McQueen at March 09, 2009 01:22 PM (eyDJO)

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They also bought militay technology during the Clinton years.

Posted by: outraged at March 09, 2009 01:29 PM (penCf)

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Under Clinton they were given an entire space program free-of-charge.
To be fair, Lemmiwinks, it did cost them some money--but it all went to Bill.

Oh, I'm sure that the Chinese bought bonds during Clinton, but the debt was not run up under Clinton Newt, it was paid down.

Fixed that for you, icum.

Man those guys are busy little beavers.
Yeah, silly, because our banks (and the Aussies, too, I believe) still have real money left because no-money-down mortgages etc. aren't allowed.

Posted by: andycanuck at March 09, 2009 01:37 PM (TpHGM)

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The Navy ship responded by spraying one of the vessels with its fire hoses, but the Chinese ship closed further to within 25 feet and its crew members disrobed to their underwear, the Pentagon said.

Maybe they just needed a bath?

Posted by: Curmudgeon at March 09, 2009 01:37 PM (ujg0T)

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http://tinyurl.com/aqd25q has Strategy Page's take on recent intel.

Galt @ #1, I get it. A brief rebellion? No. A Boxer rebellion. Heh.

Posted by: comatus at March 09, 2009 01:46 PM (R4wAs)

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Posted by: Damiano at March 09, 2009 01:47 PM (cfKer)

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A Boxer rebellion.

LOL. Good one.

Posted by: andycanuck at March 09, 2009 01:48 PM (TpHGM)

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I don't buy the idea that when you owe a lot of money you own the creditor in some way. It's always the other way around, if the creditor has reserves or otherwise can do without your money.

History shows nations decline when they become debtors. It happened to Britain (the rising USA was their creditor), the Spanish, the Ottomans. The Chinese could croak the dollar and cause Zimbabwe-style hyperinflation if they wanted to. Sure, they'd have problems in their own economy as a result, but guess what? They can deal with them. What would we do?

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The Chinese could croak the dollar and cause Zimbabwe-style hyperinflation if they wanted to. Sure, they'd have problems in their own economy as a result, but guess what? They can deal with them. What would we do?

Hopefully clean political House, like we did in 1994. And Senate. That would be a good start. It would lower the debt too, just as it did then.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at March 09, 2009 01:57 PM (ujg0T)

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"Sure, they'd have problems in their own economy as a result, but guess what? They can deal with them. What would we do?"

I don't think they'd want to do that. If they give us Weimar-style hyperinflation, then what good does it do them when we are suddenly able to ship them over a few loaves of rye bread, and tell them it's eqivalent to what we owe?

They screw up the value of our money, suddenly they are out everything they lent. Our loan with them does not adjust for inflation.

Posted by: reason at March 09, 2009 02:02 PM (+hPIb)

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National Debt:

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87 Technically its a USNS designated ship not USS. Which means painted grey, no guns.

Thanks, I always wondered what the differnce was or is. Do you think going 3 knots on that thing might make you sea sick?

Kemp

Posted by: kempermanx at March 09, 2009 02:12 PM (qvT/A)

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The debt the Chinese own right now provides little leverage. They cannot make us redeem early. They could sell on the secondary market I suppose which would raise rates on our current sales but they need buyers.

We can "freeze" their bond holdings at any time so we have some leverage of our own.

They can stop buying new debt. But with the declines in our purchases, their current cash flow has to be suffering. As the current debt matures, the purchases they make will natuarally go down in any event.

The Chinese "hold" on our economy is overrated.

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What would we do?

Easy. Pass another trillion-dollar stimulus bill including another $5B to ACORN.

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Posted by: Purple Avenger at March 09, 2009 02:59 PM (Ygf78)

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Look, I told you Obama was gonna be tested. And I told you that you probably wouldn't agree with his response. What part of that didn't you get?

If Obama says to just lay back and enjoy it, then we should just lay back and enjoy it!

Posted by: Sheriff Slow Joe at March 09, 2009 03:06 PM (wWwJR)

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Sure, its a chem response, but a far better way to deter them playing chicken.

I'm a tad more responsive - a couple of 7.62mm miniguns, M2 .5's, or a 20mm CIWS would *encourage* the neighbors to *be nice*....

Posted by: Maha Rushie at March 09, 2009 03:32 PM (WQ/EZ)

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If you'll recall, we used this strategy with the Soviets until that warmongering Reagan was elected. We let the Russian navy use our ships as amusement on the high seas and it ushered in an era of peace and mutual respect during those hallmark Carter years. Saddam Hussein is reputed to have decided invading Kuwait was not a good idea because our diplomat on the scene let him know in no uncertain terms that we'd bend over if he did.

Yes, the New Era of Righteous Rolling Over will garner us the respect from Europe, China and all those nations that formerly wished our demise. I for one get misty-eyed at the new title our Navy will earn -- "Chicken of the Sea".

Happy Days are here again. It's the New Age of Appeasement. We've gone from "Don't Tread on Me" to "Please Don't Hit Us".

Posted by: prairiemain at March 09, 2009 03:37 PM (uDqa7)

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Kemp

Thanks, I always wondered what the differnce was or is. Do you think going 3 knots on that thing might make you sea sick?

I have no idea what being on that floating box would feel like, every cat I've been on was going fast. Bobbing up and down 60' off of the water?

Posted by: Jean at March 09, 2009 03:48 PM (L64A6)

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Barry protested to China. I'm sure China is shaking in its boots.

WASHINGTON � The Obama administration vowed Monday to keep up military surveillance in waters off China and protested to China about what it called harassment of an American ship doing that work last week.

A protest was lodged with the Chinese government by the U.S. Embassy in Beijing over the weekend and was repeated to a Chinese defense attache by Defense Department East Asia policy officials at a Pentagon meeting Monday.

Shaking with laughter.

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Would you have termed this incident ritual harassment if the US Navy had done this to the PRC? How many times does this need to happen before one believes it isn't significant?

You know why this doesn't occur to the Russians or PRC? Because they'd sink the ships involved while we won't.

He who runs away lives to run away another day.

Pathetic.

I wonder what the next incident will be and if any lives are lost.

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