Did Obama Play Politics With Troop Deployments?

Based on this post from Greyhawk, it sure looks like it.

One brigade diverted from Iraq to Afghanistan to great public fanfare, meanwhile another brigade is quietly sent to Iraq in it's place. All while months of training and vital skills are wasted.

Now imagine if Bush had done this. Of course you can't because it's simply unimaginable that he would have done this.

Posted by: DrewM. at 05:41 PM

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1 Finally, a worthwhile topic.

The One has to pretend he gives a damn about foreign policy, other than taking time to mollycoddle dictators and terrorists. Viva Gitmo.

Posted by: Ombudsman at March 08, 2009 05:47 PM (fWF4Q)

2 To Obama, one baby-killing soldier is the same as any other.

Posted by: cranky-d at March 08, 2009 05:50 PM (8TXe9)

3 If Ace's theory is correct, the media will now report this because Michael Steele is speaking nicely to everyone again. Or isn't. Something like that. Just like before it happened.

Posted by: t-bird at March 08, 2009 05:51 PM (FcR7P)

4 One of my friend's husbands was due to be shipped off to Iraq in February. After Obama was elected in November, she thought that the silver lining in her dismay was that her husband might not be shipped off.

I told her that he would still be leaving (which of course he did) and that all of Obama's talk about disengaging from Iraq is all political hot air.

He continues to talk about his 16-19-month disengagement plan, but I'll guarantee here and now that when the new election take place in 2012, we'll still be fighting in Iraq.

We are there for a reason, not for shits and giggles--and although Obama may have road in on the horse of Iraqi disengagement, now that he's in the big-house, he knows good and well that it's easier said than done.

No doubt he'll blame his lack of disengagement on Bush for one reason or another in 2012 though.

Posted by: Comrade Tovya at March 08, 2009 05:59 PM (DAaYy)

5 This is not a hill the building (the Pentagon) will defend. Shit like this falls under the category of "suck it up and drive on." When he starts meddling with O&M dollars, O-6 to O-7 promotions, and retirement pay -- then the trenches will get manned.

The best thing Obama could do right now to repair his image with the Army, is get to reverse or rewrite the beret decision.

Posted by: Jean at March 08, 2009 06:00 PM (xCBQ4)

6 Oh, but all thats still to come.

Does The One Lightworker still have is dreams of the over-mountain invasion of a nuclear power?

Posted by: Techie. at March 08, 2009 06:29 PM (QYuCD)

7 The shocker would be if Obama did NOT play politics with troop deployments.

Posted by: Purple Avenger at March 08, 2009 06:31 PM (Ygf78)

8 bush understood these are real men/women & not toy plastic soldiers we are talking about here. barry doesn't understand.

Posted by: i should be doing something else at March 08, 2009 06:38 PM (i1+rx)

9 More important question, IMHO, since Bush wasn't running again: can you imagine John McCain doing something like this?

November 2008 was a total no-brainer.

Posted by: funky chicken at March 08, 2009 06:39 PM (xyyHG)

10 But these are OUR troops in Iraq.

/Ron Silver mode

Posted by: nickless at March 08, 2009 06:39 PM (MMC8r)

11 He does a little song and dance for the ANSWR and MoveOn bunch, the trained seals of the DemSM clap dutifully.

Obama keeps troop deployments as is, and forgets about them. Remember, he has to FORCE himself to care about foreign policy right now.

Posted by: kbdabear at March 08, 2009 06:41 PM (miw86)

over-mountain invasion

My dick get's hard at those three word's. He's too pussy to do it however. He'd sooner have us backing up the U.N. in their merciless assault on the janjaweed in Darfur.

Posted by: Blazer at March 08, 2009 06:45 PM (9XXMp)

13 I wonder where he even came up with the idea. Given what we've seen so far, the Stryker shuffle is comparatively a stroke of executive genius for them.

He's almost following another campaign promise, by withdrawing troops...from the US!

Posted by: t-bird at March 08, 2009 06:46 PM (FcR7P)

14 My thoughts and prayers to all our troops for the simple reason that if Obama is playing to form on domestic policy then he has no intention of being a tough foreign policy leader in times of crisis= getting troops killed through stupidity or duplicity.

Posted by: jjshaka at March 08, 2009 06:50 PM (gN4rf)

15 OT, but the last post died an hour ago, and so I am late to this dance.

Can we please have a post where we morons get to suggest thread topics related to taking the fight to the dems?

As an example, we should be sowing internal division in their ranks, not ours. Here in NE PA, we have an attempt to build a wind farm being thwarted by the local NIMBYs. If we can't get them to join us, can we at least get them to fight each other? As the greens fight the NIMBYs, we could then identify the most reasonable individuals and try to pick them off. Or just troll them, trying to exacerbate their internal tensions.

You people are smarter than I am. Surely you all can think of other strategeries, and the posters here (when they are sober) can then run with any suggestions that make sense.

And we can save the insults for the important threads - the flame wars.

P.S. Since no one else will say it: cockholster.

Posted by: William Spurwing at March 08, 2009 06:54 PM (Ohodx)

16 Out! Out damned sockpuppet!

Posted by: NEPA Dissident at March 08, 2009 06:55 PM (Ohodx)

over-mountain invasion

If Obama's military knowledge is as current as his economic theory, then I suspect he'll try to use elephants.

Posted by: AmishDude at March 08, 2009 06:59 PM (i01iV)

18 I'm SHOCKED! SHOCKED! Are you telling me that The One prefers style over substance? OMG!

Posted by: GarandFan at March 08, 2009 07:00 PM (237hA)

19 If Obama's military knowledge is as current as his economic theory, then I suspect he'll try to use elephants.

Will he have the Army wear red tunics and those pointy pith helmets from Zulu?

Posted by: NEPA Dissident at March 08, 2009 07:02 PM (Ohodx)

If Obama's military knowledge is as current as his economic theory, then I suspect he'll try to use elephants

Hey, worked for Hanniball. Not to mention those guy's are still practically living in those times anyway. Strap a .50 cal and some rocket pod's to those elephant's and call it Win.

Posted by: Blazer at March 08, 2009 07:06 PM (9XXMp)

21 He's almost following another campaign promise, by withdrawing troops...from the US!
Posted by: t-bird at March 08, 2009 06:46 PM (FcR7P)

interesting....

Posted by: funky chicken at March 08, 2009 07:09 PM (xyyHG)

22 are Elephants halal?

Posted by: Jean at March 08, 2009 07:09 PM (xCBQ4)

23 Elephants?
Howdah, boys!

Posted by: George Orwell at March 08, 2009 07:11 PM (AZGON)

24 He'd sooner have us backing up the U.N. in their merciless assault on the janjaweed in Darfur.

That's what I'm afraid of. The purpose of the military is to break things and kill people in service of the USA. Period. It's not to be glorified social workers in some third-world toilet. Clinton didn't understand this, and The One doesn't seem to, either. Part of me has problems with the scope of our operations in Iraq and Afghanistan- we should have just beat the shit out of them and left to let them clean up their own mess.

Posted by: Ombudsman at March 08, 2009 07:13 PM (fWF4Q)

25

What's gonna happen when Rush talks about this tomorrow?

Posted by: Tinian at March 08, 2009 07:13 PM (Ohodx)

by the time the MSM and the general public see what obama is really doing its going to be to late.

Posted by: trailortrash at March 08, 2009 07:15 PM (pseS/)

are Elephants halal?

Trust me. Like a friend of mine who was in the first Gulf War can attest to any thing is halal when you have'nt eaten in a week .

Posted by: Blazer at March 08, 2009 07:15 PM (9XXMp)

If President Obama, (I get a tic when I type that), continues true to form, look for a proposal for repeal of the "don't ask, don't tell" policy.

Additionally, with the administration moving to talk with moderate Taliban, (note Karzai's approval), DefSec Gates, and General Petraeus are being put in a bind. These men are charged with protecting the lives of our warriors, and, it's a charge they know is a sacred duty. Politics stops at some point, and reality intrudes.

Gates and Petraeus may counsel the President privately, but if the President doesn't get it, then duty and honor will demand action. I'm glad Gates and Petraeus are proven quantities.

Posted by: solitary knight at March 08, 2009 07:17 PM (X89w+)

29 Spend ten minutes discussing foreign policy with any leftist and you KNOW that Obama's tough talk about Afghanistan was classic subterfuge to sound tough while being a pussy about Iraq. Mention Iraq, you get why not Iran? Mention Iran, get why not North Korea? Pierce through their disingenuousness and stupidity and it inevitably leads to "we armed Hussein", "we armed the Taliban", "we overthrew the government in Iran" (in what? 1953?). They have no belief system, no national security vision except that ultimately we are the bad guys mixed with a fake seriousness about any nation other than the one specifically under discussion.

Posted by: Steven P at March 08, 2009 07:23 PM (fkgyi)

30 If this is true, then I really wonder about Bob Gate's integrity. Anything this wasteful and potentially dangerous to our troops (and mission) should be opposed. Possibly by resigning.

Posted by: Doc Rochester at March 08, 2009 07:26 PM (Nw0+K)

31 president mau-mau

Posted by: TennDon at March 08, 2009 07:31 PM (o6Yv2)

# 8 -- barry doesn't understand give a fuck about anything but his own image.

Fixed it for ya....

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Posted by: Dave C at March 08, 2009 07:50 PM (d7+gL)

Anyone know the current re-up numbers? I want to see how they compare to the last 6 years.

Posted by: outraged at March 08, 2009 07:56 PM (penCf)

35 Since he fixed the economy, it's time to fix the war. Healthcare after that.

Posted by: the real joe at March 08, 2009 08:17 PM (aqGyO)

36 The problem with expecting Gates or Petraeus to resign in protest is that they would know that they were leaving the men and women they command in the hands of people much worse. OTOH, they are duty bound to follow the orders of the CiC, unless they are illegal-Nuremberg established that). They are in a tough bind.

Posted by: sherlock at March 08, 2009 08:30 PM (L4jPh)

37 #34.

Don't know about reenlistment numbers, but they just got rid of reenlistment bonuses. My unit is slated for Iraq in 2011 (hmm...given that most of us are suppose to be out), that is all I will tell you.

Posted by: josh at March 08, 2009 08:41 PM (e1TcF)

38 Will he have the Army wear red tunics and those pointy pith helmets from Zulu?

Do not under estimate B Company, 2nd Battalion, 24th Regiment of Foot.

Posted by: David in San Diego at March 08, 2009 08:47 PM (GF+6V)

Funny: http://tinyurl.com/cumf2y

Posted by: outraged at March 08, 2009 08:52 PM (penCf)

H/T Powerline from UK Telegraph: "President Barack Obama on Sunday admitted that the US military was pushing for talks with the Taliban..."

http://tinyurl.com/bpca3l

Admitted that the US Military was pushing...?!! Someone fuck this asshole to death with a chainsaw, please.

This is getting more than embarassing... it is getting to a point of honor. And Obama has none.

Posted by: sherlock at March 08, 2009 08:52 PM (L4jPh)

41 Petraeus is a soldier - his honor won't allow him to leave his men on the field of battle when he still has the capability to affect their situation.

He won't resign until Obama personally attempts to override his orders - or ties his hands in fighting the war. If you see Petraeus resign - it means we are about to lose a war.

Posted by: HondaV65 at March 08, 2009 08:56 PM (9vlDt)

Obama plays politics with troop deployments. And everything else. It's what he does.

I shit in the woods. It's what I do.

Posted by: A Bear at March 08, 2009 09:25 PM (HF2US)

43 Classic Cinema: Zulu: Men of Harlech plus final battle scene. Pretty sure this wasn't on the DVD set that O'Bullshit gave Gordon Brown.

Posted by: Sharkman at March 08, 2009 09:52 PM (69J41)

44 Hoodwink us, bamboozal, pull the wool, this guy shoulda been a carnie and sold tickets to the bearded lady show. Would've made a fortune.

Posted by: RicardoVerde at March 08, 2009 09:54 PM (PBTsv)

45 Classic Cinema: Zulu: Men of Harlech plus final battle scene. Pretty sure this wasn't on the DVD set that O'Bullshit gave Gordon Brown.

In Barry's version the British pushed for talks with the Zulu which led to their slaughter.

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I had an email conversation with milblogger <a href=http://www.thedonovan.com>John Donovan</a> about this tonight, and he has another take on this that is a bit more benign. I don't want to steal his thunder, since he'll post on it tomorrow, but it might not be as bad as it seems...

At this point, I don't think it's a stretch to assume this is pure political manipulation and fraud. However, not necessarily so. Let's hope.

Posted by: FbL at March 08, 2009 10:28 PM (HwqvF)

48
My principal worry: how much will The One screw around with the rules of engagement?

Posted by: Brown Line at March 08, 2009 10:43 PM (4SWwh)

49 49, That would actually link "the One" too closely to failure and individual casualties - his handlers will never let it happen.

Posted by: Jean at March 08, 2009 11:07 PM (xCBQ4)

50 Are you shitting me? Bush announced so many troop withdrawals during election years that we should be down to minus 100,000 in Iraq now.

Posted by: icus at March 09, 2009 12:12 AM (Ozf6a)

50 Um, sorry, but if he really joins the ICC, your premise just flew out the window. The ICC will be after every Reaper pilot that launches a missile into "civilian" areas, etc.

And if you liked the way Bush handled Haditha, just wait for Obama to swing into action.

Posted by: conservative movement at March 09, 2009 12:48 AM (xyyHG)

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55 Icus, links please. Dates and numbers or go kill yourself. I don't really care which it is.

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56 carl:

I regret to inform you that no such links, dates and numbers will be forthcoming as I couldn't reach deep enough into my own asshole to pull them out and, unfortunately, Stretch Armstrong was not available.

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57 lol...

Posted by: carl hungus at March 09, 2009 03:40 AM (U3CHY)

All you have to do is a search for "Bush announce reduction withdrawal Iraq" or similar. As I said, we should have minus 100,000 troops by now:

http://tinyurl.com/ajtyqt Dec 2005

http://tinyurl.com/clmpdl Sep 2007

http://tinyurl.com/co9fsq Sep 2008

http://tinyurl.com/b2kb24 May 2006

Posted by: icus at March 09, 2009 08:57 AM (Ozf6a)

"No doubt he'll blame his lack of disengagement on Bush for one reason or another in 2012 though."

"This was not the thinly-veiled war over oil I thought I knew..."

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Posted by: least

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Posted by: John F Not Kerry at March 09, 2009 05:18 PM (HF2US)

63 Thanks for the links Icus, I can't see anywhere in there that he's backdooring troops in while publicly taking other troops out. In a couple of them, someone is leaking that Bush is going to announce some troops are being withdrawn. Doesn't actually say they are. Obama is playing a very different game. The chewbacca defense doesn't work on all of us.

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