1 Un-fucking-believable.

2 On a related note:

http://tiny.cc/ITpxZ

"A well-connected Washington figure, who is close to members of Mr Obama’s inner circle, expressed concern that Mr Obama had failed so far to “even fake an interest in foreign policy”. …"

3 President Assclown....that's my new title for him.

I thought I wasn't ever gonna see a worse prez then Carter - apparently I'm about to be proved wrong.

4

What the fuck is a "moderate Taliban"?

5 He's a Marxist and they love to form alliances with folk's most normal people would just bitchslap or put a bullet into.

6 Obama is making these statements to make it appear that Petreaus's new strategy in AfPak was his idea....simple as that.

7

What the fuck is a "moderate Taliban"?

 

I dunno, maybe it's like a low-yield nuclear weapon

8 Impeach Obama.

For the Children.

9 But of course!  Only white male republicans are truly evil, don't you know! Honestly Act, you need to read your memos!  White male republicans, especially christians but also sometimes Jews, are the only ones who can be evil.  Everyone else is simply a misunderstood victim of white males and Jews.

10 Ain't I a bitch?

11

Meanwhile, the Undecided Nazis and Bi-Partisan Klanners are waiting for their invitations...

12 From the article:

Obama's new CIA Director Leon Panetta disappointed European opponents of secret CIA transfers of terrorism suspects when he said that Obama was keeping rendition as an option in the fight against terrorism.

Change!

13 The heights of naievete that this fool exhibits are truly breathtaking.

Back when I was in Jr. High school, there was a wimpy kid who got picked on by all the bullys. It went on for 3 years that I could witness, and this kid never got fed up and defended himself. In fact, I remember a couple of years when his birthday came about, and he would give his antagonists dollar bills (from his b-day money), not to beat him up.

Looks like President Zero has adopted that negotiating stance.

Stupid dhimmi.

14 What the fuck is a "moderate Taliban"?

A jihadi who only holds a grudge for eight generations.

15 What the fuck is a "moderate Taliban"?

No idea, but imagine the potential for disastrous ceremonial gifts. 

16

and the afghani women lamented the oh too brief taste of freedom gone away, and the US allies who have been dodging bullets with us there are looking for some K-Y to ease the pain.

President Obama, on behalf of the Danes in Afghanistan, may i just say

SUG SATANS PIK DIN FORPULET BOSSEDVAERV!

17 "moderate Taliban"

What is that? They stone women with clean rocks?

18

 Obama is open to the idea of reaching out to moderate elements of the Taliban

 

The 'immoderate' elements are the ones that cut off victims' heads.

The moderates only throw acid in womens' faces or castrate men and rape children.

So yeah, this diplomatic initiative has WIN written all over it.

19 Somewhere, Jimmy Carter is quivering with excitement.

20 meanwhile in Texas, George W. Bush momentarily stopped digging his bomb shelter to laugh his freaking ass off.

21 4

What the fuck is a "moderate Taliban"?

~Andy at March 07, 2009 07:49 PM

Good question.  Maybe a "moderate Communist" has the answer. 

22 Obama will bring real pressure to bear on the Tah-lee-bahn and demand the following concessions:

1) the use of sharp knives instead of dull ones when sawing off the heads of captives;

2) men must explain why they are beating their wives and honor-killing their daughters (reasons such as, "it is raining," or "my oatmeal is cold" are acceptable);

3) apostates from Islam must stoned to death in thirty minutes or less;

4) the continued manufacture of opium will result in a strongly worded letter of condemnation;

5) American troops will respond to unprovoked attacks with blistering salvos of water balloons and paint balls;

6) Enemy combatants captured on the field will be given a fifteen minute time out and required to write a letter of apology after having thought a bit about what they have done.

23 I must be missing something. We went to war with who in Afghanistan? Who fled into the mountains and has been struggling to reconstitute itself? Who was harboring AQ prior to 9/11?

24 What the fuck is a "moderate Taliban"?

Oxymoron 101

25
Maybe we could meet them at my house in London, the taliban live down the street here, you know. Could watch a couple old movies before they arrive

26 When America was attacked on 9-11 the fanatical Taliban cheered for hours and hours, the moderate Taliban cheered for only about 20 minutes.

27 "moderate taliban": they use sharp swords to decapitate you.

28 Awww, quit your bitching guys. I'm all for this. In fact, I support Barry negotiating with all forms of the Taliban. I suggest that he do so in person, on their turf. With no untraceable pistol taped up behind that old toilet (the one with one of those pull chains) sitting over there in the background.

Kumbaya, Barry! Kumbaya, you motherfucker!

29

re: # 2

The American source said: “Obama is overwhelmed. There is a zero sum tension between his ability to attend to the economic issues and his ability to be a proactive sculptor of the national security agenda.

This really makes you feel safe, doesn't it??? This guy has no clue as to what he is doing !!! I hope all you assbags who voted for this joker are happy !!!!

30 He is king of the taliban, he is king of the Saudis...(they financed his education), he is king of hamas.  He is king to all of the world's evil.

31 Actually, "fucking retarded" is about as polite as one can be under the circumstances.  I sort of knew Obama was going to be Carter Squared --- little did I know just how prophetic I was (me and millions of others got real psychic before November 4th).

Remind me again -- whose bright idea was it to nominate McCain't?

Arnold

32

Sorry, Act = Ace.

Back on topic, let's remember that the left NEVER wanted to fight in Afghanistan.  It's only to be expected that the One would act this way.

33

to the curious and non-curious, that Danish insult I said to Obama on behalf of the Danish soldiers reads:

SUCK SATANS COCK YOU FUCKING FAGGOT DWARF!*

Recent Int'l Insult Winner - Cracked.com

I heard many a drunken dane utter this in the pubs at 2:00 a.m.

34 me and millions of others got real psychic before November 4th

And not one of you fuckers could give me the winning lottery numbers. Damn you!

35

>let's remember that the left NEVER wanted to fight in Afghanistan

But I thought the popular Lefty meme was that Iraq was 'a distraction from the real war in Afghanistan because THAT's who attacked us and bin Laden is still alive and after all- this IS about 9/11, right?'

36 Is this article what one would refer to as going "full retard"?

Why yes, I think it is.

37 unfuckingbelievable .

38 Well, back during the campaign, this is what he said he would do. 

There it is.

And all the other leftist things he promised?  Yeah, he's planning on doing those too.  And remember when Obama was accused of being the most liberal member of the Senate with the least foreign policy experience of all the candidates?  

It was all fucking true.

39 Gee, if only we had reached out to the "moderate Nazis" in WWII, instead of just trying to kill as many Nazis as we could before they killed all our guys, things would have worked out SO much better.

40 MANCHURIAN CANDIDATE

41 No idea, but imagine the potential for disastrous ceremonial gifts.

Heh, heh.

42 President Nightmare.

43

Has he forgotten he's supposed to concentrate on getting bin Laden, like he told us 57,000 times GWB had forgotten to do?

Oh, but wait... "But the situation in Afghanistan is, if anything, more complex."  Fucker's a regular nuclear brain surgeon of hindsight, ain't he?

44 And this is supposed to be a surprise to anyone?

45 re: #29

And Obama has no ideas or useful inclinations on either front.

This is exactly what I expected and dreaded, and exactly what the terrorists hoped for - a useful idiot.

Man, it's going to be a long four years.

46 In fact, I support Barry negotiating with all forms of the Taliban. I suggest that he do so in person, on their turf.

I feel sorry for the Secret Service guys who draw the short straw--can we send him in alone?  No, wait, send Rahm and Michelle with him.  They'll love her sleeveless burqa!

47 Fucking Cylon.

48 Thanks for sharing that, krukke1. And thanks for dodging bullets alongside our soldiers in Afghanistan.

Nice President we got here, huh?

49

The American source said: “Obama is overwhelmed. There is a zero sum tension between his ability to attend to the economic issues and his ability to be a proactive sculptor of the national security agenda.

This really makes you feel safe, doesn't it??? This guy has no clue as to what he is doing !!! I hope all you assbags who voted for this joker are happy !!!!

Isn't this the same guy who mocked McCain for suspending his campaign in Sept to work on TARP.  I seem to remember him saying that he could do two things at the same time.

50 Asked if the United States was winning in Afghanistan, a war he effectively adopted as his own last month by ordering an additional 17,000 troops sent there, Mr. Obama replied flatly, “No.”

51 President Ebola just keeps spreading the Love.

52

As a Canadian I shudder to think what would happen to the political capital of my conservative Prime Minister, who supported America,  if Obama makes peace with the Taliban after the blood and treasure we have spent to erridicate the Taliban on behalf of America, we are all Americans now, not to mention the loses to our elite soldiers in a well marked live fire training area we have taken from a trigger happy American fighter-bomber pilot.

Now that Obama has written off Iraq, the Jihadis are all flocking to flocking Afghanistan.  Is it any flocking wonder that the war is getting flocking hotter there? WTFlock?  fer Flock's Sake!!!

FUCK now I need to floss pttf

53 Obama, ready day one, or week four...certainly by mid-year.

In 2012, I will be on top of my game, really.

54 Actually, you can make this shit up, I think that is what we were accused of during the election.  My my, how "right" we were/are. 
We'll call it like it is
We're fucked til 0 '12

55 Speller - agreed - we can only hope that he follows what Petreaus tells him to do.

56 I's thinks those am friendly Talibans over yonder...

57 a trigger happy American fighter-bomber pilot.

You may want to dial that shit back a bit bitch.

58

Speaking of "moderate Taliban" here's what I totally do not get, why are liberal feminist women so utterly and totally silent on Islam? We've got women who are basically treated as chattel, who have no freedom, who can be killed horridly by their fathers, brothers, husbands, or sons, who aren't allowed to drive, who aren't allowed to attend school. And, some of this shit is happening right here on our own American soil--women beheaded, young girls murdered etc. Yet liberal feminist women are stone cold quiet.

Wait, even worse, they aren't stone cold quiet some of the time, some of the time they are marching in support of Hamas against Israel. In essence they are supporting men who represent everything they say they are against. What the fuck is that about? And cry me a river about "Palestenian women & children as victims" bullshit, that's just bullshit they aren't victims of Israel they are victims of their own lying and murdering husbands, sons, and brothers.

In the meantime, I am supposed to gin up some weird feminist rage about Sarah Palin? I'm sorry crazies, but I'm concerned about the spread of a religion that seeks to subjugate and murder women worldwide, not some faux outrage about a strong, independent conservative woman.

And if you don't start paying attention to what's going on with Islam you harpies are going to find yourselves unpleasantly surprised with the outcome.

Whew. Thanks for letting me get that rant out.

59

It's Saturday night...let's guess what Michell and BO will give the first political family of the Taliban when they show up @ the Whitehouse for their photo op...

 

BO will give the Lord of the Taliban a stick  from Camp David. He will discuss ways to beat a woman and not have the bruises show.  The Taliban Leader will ask if hwe is friends with Chris Brown...or has he met Bono.

Michelle will give the person who shows up in a burka a small battery charge fan, to air out the inside of that thing ( you know it must smell nasty)...I am talking about the burka,,not the vajay jay.

The children will be given plastic helicopter from the gift shop, with and explosive device to try when they get back to the hotel...

the gift to the tribe will be a map of the Whitehouse and Obama's days off, and the directions to Newt Gingrich's house.

60 What the fuck is a "moderate Taliban"?

Deceased.

61

Good  Lord.

I opened the link and couldn't even read it. My immediate response was "Oh my God!"

There appears no end to the megalomania. Obama is much scarier than I originally thought because he actually believes that he can do what he professes.

There will be songs written about the man we now call 'President' and I'm certain that long after many other Presidents have passed into obscurity, this jackass will be remembered. Yet, of all the names that come to mind when I think of the nutcase, none of them have been PotUS.

Who would have thought Americans so willing to fall for the cult of personality as this?

62 If I keep my loins girded for the next 4 years am I gonna go blind?

63 What the fuck is a "moderate Taliban"?

The one with the laser spot, 0.03 sec. before impact.

64 I opened the link and couldn't even read it.

I actually counted the words to the point I stopped reading, total 23. 

65 I had to link this dave. As you said, you can't make this shit up.
Short bus, for sure.

66

48 NiceDeb

I am an american woman who is married to a dane and spent 13 yrs there. The danes are stand-up guys; peaceful enough, rather have a beer than fight. But do not, I repeat do NOT fuck with them. They will go full-on viking on your ass. Remember, Queen Margrethe's dad the king during WW2 wore a star of david band on his arm in solidarity with jews during the occupation, and the danish fishermen snuck pretty much all the jews out of the country in their boats, at great risk to themselves.

So I cannot take credit for dodging bullets in any sense of the word, but I will pass your thanks on to those who do.

Think about it...little denmark, max 6 million people in all, send elite troops to Afghanistan to fight where the bullets are actually flying, unlike some pussy french and dutch and germans.....and they are awesome at their job down there. Ask any US military that has served with them.

God bless little mohammed-cartoon-defending Denmark!

Gud Bevar Danmark

67 A mendoucheous idiot with big ears.

68 I'm sorry I didn't read the whole article,

What the fuck is a "moderate Taliban"?

A moderate Taliban is clearly one who contributed more then $10K to O's campaign.

69 Alright! When the fuck did up become down?

70

You may want to dial that shit back

I got yer dial right here, shitbird.  He killed 4 and wounded 8 of our best and had no reason to drop the 2 500lb laser guided bomb.s  It was a well marked training area and Schmidt said they fired at him when he was at 1200 feet with AA.  The only had small arms. 

  http://tiny.cc/st4bF

71

Thank you Paranoid, I actually wrote a letter to that tune in my local paper the week before the election here in elite NE. McCain lost.

 

The  feminist liberal media here will not care until their own children are blown up...or until they cannot buy their botox injections....which ever comes first.

72 More Harvard short bus thinking.

73

15 What the fuck is a "moderate Taliban"?

No idea, but imagine the potential for disastrous ceremonial gifts. 
***********************

Like Bacon Explosion?

74 Maybe that's why Hillary gainig so much weight, she knows that it won't show under her burka.

75

52 speller

on behalf of americans may I just say thank you to the canadians for their brave service in Afghanistan, also fighting where it is the nastiest.

God Bless Canada

76

>here's what I totally do not get, why are liberal feminist women so utterly and totally silent on Islam?

 

Because it's easier to scream at conservatives over abortion. They don't cut your head off or throw acid in your face or cut your clitoris and vulva off with scissors.

This is simple stuff.

77 If you are going to gird your loins for the next four years you are going to have to use more cream than you are used to.  Pace yourself and drink a lot of liquids.

78

Most of the time, I feel thoroughly convinced that Obama is the antichrist but then there are moments like these, when maybe,  just maybe he's actually just a face and a voice.

It's like his handlers gave him a break and let him play. For fun, he decides to make nice with people who are thumbing blades behind their backs.

This article actually made me laugh and put a smile on my face. Meeting with the Taliban adds up to extreme naivete in my view.

I'd rather have a complete buffoon destroying my country rather than one who has true evil intent.

79 He couldn't do worse for America if he was actually on the other side. And this pertains to everything he is doing.  If Satan himself were in charge, he wouldn't do anything differently than "the One".

80 Barry still feels he can heal with his touch ... he will soon find not everyone praises him like his far left ACORN nuts ...

Maybe he will present the Taliban with a 50 DVD's of American movies ... dubbed in what language? 

I'm still torn .. is Obama just an opportunist that rode the white guilt wave to success .. or is he just a puppet and reading the Marxist script as Soros texts it directly to his teleprompter ... I don't consider "evil genius" a possibility ... Barry is too weak impromptu for that possibility.

81 I got yer dial right here, shitbird.

If you don't think that the men responsible for this will not bear it for the rest of their lives you are an idiot.

Through a series of stupid errors, they killed brave men who fought on their side.  A tragedy that will haunt all involved every day they walk the earth.

Calling them "trigger-happy" shows you know nothing about the military.

82 ParanoidInSeattle @ 58 I'll tell you why. It's the same reason that Dems were allowed to get away with all the crap they shoveled on Hillary during the primaries: Bros before Hos. Remember how they went to bat for the Philanderer in Chief back in '98?

83 What a moron.  I'm guessing he made it up on the spot or got it from Biden the apprentice moron.  Obviously there is no such think as a moderate taliban.

The evil twins of Laurel and Hardy in the White House.

84 Don't worry about Canada; our conservative PM was a stalwart ally in the Afghan was, as long as George Bush was there. Now, though, he's talking about how this isn't our war to win, and the goal is to hand over to the Afghans. He's smart. He immediately read the kind of fool you've put in the White House, and saw through the double-talk about sending more U.S. troops to Afghanistan. Black Narcissus is preparing to do a bolt, and Canada is damn sure not going to stand around open-mouthed, to be the last ones out of Saigon when the helicopters take off again. Not only that, but neither Canada nor any other "ally" will answer the appeal the next time urgent business abroad calls. There's no point joining the Americans in anything, because if it takes more than a few months, an election will occur, which effectively acts like Hillary's famous "reset" button, and wipes out obligations incurred over the previous administration.

85 Moderate Taliban? That's like saying "moderate Klan" or "moderate members of the Hitler government." For crying out loud, their idea of moderate is letting someone pray before they hack their head off.

86 Meanwhile, in the Western Hemisphere...

Hugo Chavez has some, (arguably), much needed personal hygiene tips for President Obama:  "Go wash your ass, Mr. Obama. Go wash that ass."

87

Fucking-A.  The world is not one big fucking campaign, get-out-the-vote, community-organizing event!!!

 

You know this SOB deserves to get rolled.  And every one of these douchetoolian handbags that voted for this SOB deserves to get rolled with him.

And God-bless every responsible American that spoke-up, voted against, and did whatever to try and prevent this, that gets rolled too.  I figure that's about 48% of us.

88 The Times said that in the interview, Obama also left open the option for American operatives to capture terrorism suspects abroad even without the cooperation of a country where they were found.

At least he's Bush III on the ol' snatch and bag.

89 He's also gonna get cozy with Hamas and Hezballah (see Gateway Pundit).

90
Paranoid,

You forgot to mention genital mutilation. Another charming custom of The Religion of Peace that feminists blithely ignore.

A real feminist would be heavily armed and dare those fuckers to try and stuff her into a burqa. But that would be unleftist: and if it comes to a choice between her party and her sex, a "feminist" chooses the party every time.

91 Guys not some socialist dupe....I think he's really just a moron who's just way in over his head. God help us.

92 Maybe true wisdom will prevail and Biden will convince him to just give them $10 million

93 I would like to see Bams show some balls along with the rhetoric.  I think he should meet with the Taliban one-on-one and talk this shit out.  I just really, really wish he would do this - but only if he takes Biden and Pelosi along with him.

94 Guys not some socialist dupe....I think he's really just a moron who's just way in over his head.

You neglect his entire life experience when you say he is not socialist.

Dupe? Probably not.

Way over his head - yes.

95 Anyone think we're ripe for a terrorist attack right now? Or will Obummer head it off by just giving them everything they want?

96 Don't worry, all this appeasement will eventually blow-up in his our face.

97

Quisling = Quisling          Obama = ?

another historic opportunity to expand our lexicon.

98 We're fucked til 0 '12

If Obama's history is any guide, by 2010 he'll be ready to run for higher office.

99 75

52 speller

on behalf of americans may I just say thank you to the canadians for their brave service in Afghanistan, also fighting where it is the nastiest.

God Bless Canada

~krukke1 at March 07, 2009 08:50 PM

Thank you krukke1.  God Bless America.  We conservatives in the Anglosphere need to support one another in this time of trial.  We in Canada had our Obama, his name was Pierre Trudeau, and the damage he did to our nation is only beginning to be repaired.  Our Prime Minister Stephen Harper will be greatly damaged, politically, if Obama pulls the old cut-and-run from Afghanistan.  I'm an Albertan, and most of Canada's war losses have come from my Province and particularly from my city's historic Princess Patricia's Canadian Light Infantry and our provincial capital's Edmonton Strathconas.

The PPCLI are now stationed in Edmonton too, but historically they are a Calgary battalion.  Our province has lost many of it's finest.

Our soldiers are covered with honour for their service in Afghanistan, but in true Canadian PC tradition, their battlefield success has gone unremarked because Canadians don't want to know that our troops are killing the enemy in large numbers.

100 appeasement ...that's it ... Barry will win the enemies over by agreeing with them ... he also hates America and wants it brought down ...

101

#61 -- actually, and sadly, we Americans were the perfect group of people for this sort of thing to happen to; we never have had to deal with this sort of thing before (or it has been something so far back in our history that it dropped out of our memory) and have been (still are) incredibly naive and trusting when it comes to governmental power plays. 

It was always something that happened in other, far away places and to other people -- we were the ones who were free, and ALL of our citizens were at heart decent and patriotic and wished for freedom, and our country was so strong and wealthy.  We took our freedom for granted a little too much and a little too long; we thought a little too highly of our fellow Americans (in some cases -- very few I believe, but they are very notable); we have been far too trusting and complacent that nothing really bad could happen to us; and our comfort has perhaps been a bit too good for us.

Our country's strange luck seems to have left us this time.  Judgement Day.

 

 

102 His entire career has been founded on talking and looking a certain way.  He has no idea what to do now.  Not one single clue.  That's both good and bad.

103

"Obama, who sees the Afghan conflict as a more pressing concern than the unpopular war in Iraq, is trying to convince other NATO nations to boost troop commitments to the international operation."

How's that working out for you Barry? I mean jeez, you are more popular in Europe than Jerry Lewis, Al Gore and Karl Marx combined. You should at least be able to get a couple of regiments for rear eschelon duties.

 

104 84 Doc Mabuse said:

There's no point joining the Americans in anything, because if it takes more than a few months, an election will occur, which effectively acts like Hillary's famous "reset" button, and wipes out obligations incurred over the previous administration.

I agree completely -- this is the real danger of what Obama is doing right now...the fucking reset button is just another variation on the theme of "Anything Bush did is toxic bullshit and was not really American foreign policy but trust us now America really means what we say"

Nothing Obama does is more damaging than the present destruction of continuity of American foreign policy with partisan hackery......noone will trust us ever again....

Eastern Europe - fucked over by Obama vis a vi Russia.  Can you imagine being some poor bastard in Poland, Ukraine or Czech?

Colombia - fucked over by Obama, both by not supporting CAFTA and by "praising" the Colombians' archrival dictator, Chavez, for having a great "dictator for life" election
and now,
NATO - fucked over by Obama with coming "give me any deal so we can surrender and leave after NATO blood was split" plan

sad but true.

105

Look at the bitch he married. He loves to "assume the position for doggie submission".

106

Obama believes in the land of cartoons.  I suppose that's true of all Socialist Democrats--if we wish hard enough, and believe hard enough, reality will be what we want it to be.

After all, the world has, as a common belief, a hatred of Republicans, right?  The world would be just like it is in cartoons if we had no more Republicans.  Oh, and Jews too.  Mustn't forget them.

Mr. Media President indeed.

107 I'm all for throwing the Peace Corps into Afghanistan and Pock-ee-stan.

108 "Mullah Omar,

In the spirit of resetting our relationship with your beautiful, peaceful men of faith, please accept this Honey Baked Ham and this Hickory Farms Pork Celebration Sausage Sampler.

We've worked really hard on this - did we get it right?"

Hilarity ensues as our new allies bury Hillary up to her waist and pelt her with rocks.

109

Whoops, sorry. I got that all wrong. It's Pock-ee-staaaaahn.

Didn't mean to sound like such a chillbilly there. Wouldn't want David Frum to have to snort derisively at me or anything...

110 For Heather Radish @15

BO: Hey Michelle, remember how those uhm, oatmeal uhm, cookies? ahm, I served really uhm, wowed those "moderate" Republicans at the ahm, Superbowl party? That was a really uhm, cool, ahm, idea you had.

MO: Thanks baby, but it really is too easy sometimes to keep pulling that "regular folks" schtick.  I mean honestly, I can't believe how much those assholes at the NY Times just lap that shit right up.

BO: So, you uhm... got any follow up ideas for those "moderate" Taliban guys?

MO: Who the fuck are the "Tah-lee-bahn" boys and what do they have to do with Sasha and Malia?  They better not be those goddamn scholarship kids at Sidwell Friends'!

BO: No, no, no, hon! I'm talking about, what I said was, uhm diplomatic gifts.  Like uhm, for that family from ahm... England.  Last week.

MO: Why didn't you just say so then? (mutters) Tell me about stuttering scholarship boys can't understand a damn thing they say...Just give them, I don't know, try some food again or something.  You said they were moderate something or others, right?

BO: Uhm, right. Moderate Taliban.  What about this? (shows her his Blackberry) It got voted up pretty high on Digg.

MO: (glances over) Sure, whatever.  What do you think about this fabric though?

BO: Oh, fine. I think that's a fine choice.  We're going to have to make sure the girls don't wear their uhm, shoes in the ahm, living quarters though. The dirt, you see, any dirt. Or grime.  That would really show up.  Against, uhm, such a light, ahm, background pallete.

MO:  What the hell are you talking about? What the fuck do the girls' shoes have to do with my gown?

BO: With your gown? I thought, I mean, nothing of course! I was just uhm, I mean, what I said was, so you think we should go with that bacon weave thing for the Taliban guys?

MO:  I really don't give a shit, you know.  If you don't want to go with the food idea then give them a statue or something.  Try like a buddha statue, show 'em you respect their cultural traditions and whatnot.

BO: Okay. Thanks honey.  I really couldn't do this all on my own you know.

MO: Yeah, I know.  No one in this world is ever going to just give you anything.  Like the good Reverend is always saying, to get anywhere in this world you gotta take what's yours before they know you're on to them and their selfish, theiving, oppresive ways.

111 Moderate = willing to take bribes, will lay off as long as bribes keep flowing.
Radical = willing to take bribes, fucks you over anyway.

Problem is, you can't tell one from the other until after you've paid the bribe money.

112 Barry (you don't mind if I call you Barry, do you? Oh, you do. Eh, tough shit), if you were President in January 1942 exactly when would you have reached out to Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan?

Those were our enemies then - and you reach out to enemies, right?

113

So he snubs and fucks over the brits for moderste taliban -WOW he is elegant.

Dumbfucking asstwat.

114

If Satan himself were in charge, he wouldn't do anything differently than "the One".

Okay, how about this? I think Satan would do it differently by being much more subtle and sneaking this Socialist bullshit on us over two terms rather than shoving it down our throats in the first 100 days and waving red flags all over the place.

Just a thought.

115 "My fellow Americans, I'm pleased to tell you today that I've signed legislation that will legitimize the Taliban forever. We begin love-bombing in five minutes"

116

Did you guys see this article from Reuters:

Russia Pushes for New Strategic Arms Pact withUS

http://tinyurl.com/btf22n

 

 

117 You guys have to get over your inordinate fear of Taliban.

118 Calling them "trigger-happy" shows you know nothing about the military.

~Hongqi at March 07, 2009 08:59 PM

You know nothing about the incident. Click the link.  Scmidt was trigger-happy.  I have 2 relatives in Canadian Air Command, my brother-in-law a Major and my sister a Lieutenant Colonel.  My father was in the RCAF and he fought in North Africa, Sicily, and Italy.  I didn't join the CF because the Liberal Party of Canada has ruled Canada for most of it's existence.  I'm an Alberta nationalist.  Your Obama came here recently and did a photo-op with the Liberal Party of Canada's new unelected leader Michael Ignatieff, a political sleight if there ever was one.  I liken it to when your President Lyden Baines Johnson castigated our Prime Minister Lester Pearson , LBJ reportedly grabbed Pearson by the lapels and shouted, "Don't you come into my living room and piss on my rug."

Your Obama really is a piece of work.

Although the Liberls in Canada castigate Stephen Harper for continuing to support the American initiative in Afghanistan they, the LPC, were the ones who put our troops into the 'Stan in the first place.

As our voters have as short a memory as American voters have, when the Big Owe pulls the U.S. out of the 'Stan, Stephen Harper's Conservatives are going to get it in the neck at the polls.  No Canadian government can withstand a military defeat, especially a minority government like the one we have now.

119

You guys have to get over your inordinate fear of Taliban.

It's not a fear of the Taliban, it's a concern that our leader feels that it's okay to negotiate with terrorists.

120 So I guess this means that the Taliban wing of the Republican Party are really just moderates and David Brooks is a Mulla.

121 You guys have to get over your inordinate fear of Taliban.

As a gal, not a guy, I think I'll hang on to my rather healthy distrust of the Taliban and other Islamist movements, thank you very much.

122 Fine, let Obama and Hillary! compile of list of moderate Taliban organizations - then send state department diplomats to meet and then sign treaty agreements with these groups.

Once the treaties are in place Obama can implement his new volunteer ObamaLegion organization. OL members will be sent to DiploCamps and recieve basic diplomacy instruction and community outreach training.

Deploy OL forces to the new treaty regions. Enlisted OL members will live with these groups and help bring about a new understanding between Moderate Islam and the America.

Pay OL corps a living wage - salary and benefits compareable to a PFC in the US Army.

Its time for the Left to put up or STFU.

Enlist Now!

Diplomatic CHICKENHAWKS!

123 Those were our enemies then - and you reach out to enemies, right?

Actually that's absolutely true - you reach out and touch them IYKWIMAITTYD.

124

It will be much more interesting to follow Obama's statements in the foreign press than ours, I think.

He's naive and arrogant, as we know, and I think he'll believe that we rednecks don't read any furriner newsypapers, so he'll feel free to spout off.

125

99 Speller

thanks for the info on Canadian forces, I must confess I am quite uninformed of all the workings of the divisons, etc. I can't keep the US ones straight either so I just file them all under: Asskicking Fuck You Up Delivery Systems.

about this:

Our soldiers are covered with honour for their service in Afghanistan, but in true Canadian PC tradition, their battlefield success has gone unremarked because Canadians don't want to know that our troops are killing the enemy in large numbers.

See what I mean? Rock on Canucks. Rock On.

126

52 speller

on behalf of americans may I just say thank you to the canadians for their brave service in Afghanistan, also fighting where it is the nastiest.

God Bless Canada

Ditto. 

BTW, I think David Frum is from North of the Border.  Speller, please handle.

127

Actually that's absolutely true - you reach out and touch them IYKWIMAITTYD.

With a satellite-guided enema, bitch!

128 I think it's obvious that Barebak Yomama (Piss Be Upon Him), in his consummate narcissism, was enamored with becoming president, not being president.  Now that he has to, you know, govern- not so much. 

129 Think Arafaht and Hamas. Once you meet with them, you legitimize them, they become an official something or other, then we give them billions. You know, because only poverty creates terrorism. Except that surgeons and engineers became terrorists. I guess the talking head boobs forgot that Bin Laden came from a really wealthy family. Some of the London bombers were doctors.

130 Yep, Joe Cool gonna wave a white flag.  Go figure.  Maybe Murtha will suggest that we all re-deploy over the horizon.....say Kansas?

131 I have 2 relatives in Canadian Air Command and other family but...not me.

Listen asshole, targeting does not begin with the pilot.  It works through intelligence (yeah, I know) and a lengthy network.

Friendly-fire, fratricide, all horrible incidents but you really want to second-guess men in combat?

The "fog-of-war" is freakin' horrible and unfortunately these things happen. 

I am terribly sorry that brave Canadian soldiers lost their lives but we have also killed our own.

When you question the motivations of men that have moments to react and you are not in their shoes.

Fuck You!

132 A Canadian sniper, Cpl. Rob Furlong, logged the longest recorded sniper kill in history (2430 meters) in Afghanistan. Sent Hadji to his reward with a 750-grain bullet. And pissed all over Carlos

That's the problem with Canada - where was this badass' ticker tape parade?

133 should be "pissed all over Carlos Hathcock's record."

134 "fucking retard."

How urbane your school was.

I will have you know that in my 2 semesters at a satellite school for Purdue, we called it "mentaly deficient."

You fucking hick.

135

When you question the motivations of men that have moments to react and you are not in their shoes.

~ Hongqi

The pilot had all the time in the world. He was in a F-16 at 2500 ft. and the people he bomber were armed with C-7s(5.56mm) and G6 general purpose machine gun.  No AA capability.  They were on exercise in a clearly delineated zone practicing search and destroy against an enemy who had NO, I repeat, NO AA capability.  Get a life and don't pretend you know about military matters.

Moments to react, what a maroon.

136

That's the problem with Canada - where was this badass' ticker tape parade?

~Empire of Jeff at March 07, 2009 10:01 PM

The U.S. wanted to give him the Bronze Star but our government, Liberal government at the time, denied it to him.  Later, they tried to Court Marshal him for supposedly violating(kicking) an enemy corpse.  He was cleared.

137

I think teleprompter jesus will be be absolutely floored at the tone he will receive  in his international tour - british press allready paved the way for the "Epic fail"  since they have no care to throw him under the bus. Our press has stock in him - europe thinks we are the dumbest people ever for electing him. Get your popcorn ready.............he can't manipulate all of them.

 

138 all the time in the world...

Bullshit, he was called out on a mission and told to hit the target.  You fly at combat speed pulling 9g and see how much you can make out.

We have probably lost more lives from caution not hitting targets than from bombing them.

I get it that you are mad brave soldiers lost their lives but be very careful trying to be holier than thou.

I really have no use for you.

139 Paranoid Polly - I agree. The foreign press rode the Obamamobile while it was fun, but they don't owe him anything, and haven't got anything invested in making sure he's a success. On the contrary - they downright ENJOY anti-Americanism, and so do their readers. I think they're about to feel that they've been on the wagon long enough, and will begin to report Black Narcissus's blunders and stupidity with as much malice as they showed to George Bush. And the American press can't keep ignoring the changing attitude in the rest of the world - it'll leak through, and they'll be left trying to keep up the All Is Well pretense while the ground crumbles beneath them.

140 Later, they tried to Court Marshal him for supposedly violating(kicking) an enemy corpse.

You can get court martialed for that?

What a pussy Chretien was/is.

141

Bullshit, he was called out on a mission and told to hit the target.  ~ Hongqi at March 07, 2009 10:28 PM

WRONG.  He asked to hit a target of opportunity outside of his partrol parameters and dropped on it 3 seconds before he was told not to.  He didn't wait for the answer.  He was flying CAP.  Know what that means?  I didn't think so.

142 To be fair, this may not be a bad idea.  Who do you think the tribes were who revolted against AQI in Anbar?  Those guys had been shooting at our guys just a couple years earlier.  The Sons of Iraq were not previously peace loving hippies.  In any insurgency, the are the irreconcilables, and the ones who fight against the outsider.  When that's us, they fight us.  If we're not there but extremist Muslims are moving in, its them.  Me against my brother, my brother and I against our cousin, or so they say.  They've also been fighting because we've been doing nothing for them security wise.  The first rule of counterinsurgency is move in among the population, establish security, show that you can protect the people from the other guy and get the locals to tell you where they are.  We've been doing none of that, first in Iraq until 2007 and now in Afghanistan.  Also, what we call the "Taliban" today is not exactly what it was in 2001.  Those guys still exist, but there have also been a number of locals who have taken up arms to survive the chaos and because the extremists used pretty brutal intimidation tactics.  At some point, like AQI, they'll overplay their hands, and we'll have to be there to show we'll protect them if they switch sides.

I'd recommend The Accidental Guerilla by David Kilcullen, a former advisor to Petraeus and Condi, and The Strongest Tribe, by Bing West.

In most past counterinsurgencies - the ones that have been successful at least - there has been some degree of amnesty in exchange for supporting the government.  If you get in there, secure the population, and get the moderates - the ones who see the winds of fortune changing -  will want to be on the winner's side.  So they'll come help us by protecting their own towns and villages from the insurgents so we can move on to the next village.  It's a tough pill to swallow, but thats how you win.

Of course, you can't do this just because you're implementing a cookie cutter version of what we did in Iraq.  What happened in Iraq was a result of the right time, and AQI alienating the locals, as well as the work of our soldiers.  Only if they swear an oath of loyalty to the government and stand by it might this work. 

143 What do you expect from a President schooled in a madrassa in Indonesia and is a closet muslim at best.

144

anyone else notice just how many possible decisions get "mulled over", "leaked", comsidered" to the press to gauge puplic reaction before any action is taken on it one way or another?

He either doesn't know what to do or knows what he wants to do but wants to see how his popularity might be effected by first it if he did. This is the "Holder" phenomenon. Wait weeks to see how the public handles it. If there are too many that are too pissed of, downplay it while doing what you want anyway. if they are happy with it, embarce it!

I thought looking to twitter post for decisions what to do was pathetic. This is even worse. Take note from this point on, just how much is "leaked", the public raction, how much time passes and the ultimate decision

145 Yeah, Combat Air Patrol.

The official report itself acknowledges that the pilots were never told that the Canadians were training with live ammunition because the command center did not require such exercises to be reported. No one, including the Canadian commander on the Airborne Warning and Communications System (AWACS) jet that provided traffic control for the pilots, knew what the Canadians were doing on the ground.

Moreover, Schmidt and Umbach were nearing the end of what would be a 20-hour shift, despite Air Force regulations limiting shifts to no more than 12 hours. They also wore night-vision goggles, which can distort peripheral vision and depth perception.

You tell me why they decided to bomb friendly forces.

146

You tell me why they decided to bomb friendly forces.

~Hongqi at March 07, 2009 10:53 PM

I already did.  They wanted to "get some".  Trigger-happy.  It was a designated exercise area.

147 "get some"

Done with you. 

148 Good riddance. pttf

149

This latest episode is even more perplexing since the Canadian troops attacked were in a designated exercise area rather than engaged in offensive operations.

The US F-16 aircraft involved came from the Air National Guard, prompting some people to raise questions about their suitability for combat operations.

However these part-time reserve units are stocked with experienced pilots, and are an integral part of the US Air Force's strength.

An urgent investigation is already underway to find out why the Canadian unit was designated as a hostile target.

The US will also be looking at where the procedures for authorising the release of a weaponry need to be tightened up.

From:  http://preview.tinyurl.com/dy2flu

150 You just don't get it do you? 

I've been in designated areas for LRRPs, FEBAs and others.  It doesn't mean that the guys in the air get that same intel.

We had standing orders that if it was flying toward you it was enemy, regardless.

I have never tried to say this wasn't US Air Force fault.  It was horribly tragic.

Calling them trigger-happy is just fucking stupid.

151 better:   http://tinyurl.com/djpahu

152 You tell me why they decided to bomb friendly forces.

No one, including the Canadian commander on the Airborne Warning and Communications System (AWACS) jet that provided traffic control for the pilots, knew what the Canadians were doing on the ground.



Ouch!

Always wondered what happened in that friendly fire incident (just caught your post #145 - anything related above it I did not read). Didn't see gross negligence as a cause, but from a civilian perspective it would seem self-evident.

I served a tour at Schofield Barracks. It has a number of ranges in a tight area. Two actually overlap - to get  to one range you actually have to  travel through downrange / impact area of another - it would seem that an accident would happen sooner or later.

One can imagine how it could get ugly if one range was for live fire training, another was actually a combat zone, units in each range were from different NATO Countries, and their liaisons didn't even know their own forces were in the box next door... (FWIW, a number got killed in live fire training during my tour, but not at the fucked up range, must have been too obvious)

Blue-on-Blue is tragic enough in theater and training exercises.

Don't bring it home.

153

Trebeck: Final Jeopardy! The answer:

President Obama was born in this capitol, August 4th, 1961.

What is Nairobi?

154 Stole that from Dennis Miller

155 Schofield Barracks

I was there for awhile myself but don't tell speller about the artillery rounds that went over the mountains and got an entire battalion relieved of command.

He would blame it on being "trigger-happy."

156

As a chick I'm heavily anti-Taliban...those extremist bastards would stuff me in black wool and lock me in the house....thanks Oblather for another totally assinine, don't have a frickin' clue move...what's the plan dude, collapse the economy and then institute friggin' shariah compliant finance?  You're half-way there especially with the 9 Billion hildabeast just laid on the terrorists in Palestine.

6 weeks and already this place is unrecognizable... Liberals are just straight up demented retards...clue the hell in America...damn...

The idiot libs are all dancing around in their elf shoes over this dumbassed green revolution BS...my dad always had this saying when I was growing up...when he was pissed he'd say "assholes will take over earth"...looks like it's finally happened.

 

157 7

What the fuck is a "moderate Taliban"?

One that's temporarily out of ammunition

158 artillery rounds that went over the mountains

Sounds familiar. Whnewas that?

Did you hear bought the live fire breaching exercise at PTA that blew up a squad ('97?)?

159

I thought you were done.  Such a lack of commitment.

The Canadians weren't flying, they were on the ground and they had 5.56mm.  They weren't shooting at the sky.  The pilot was flying above the hardtop, he was above 2500ft. An M-16 is effective out to what, 200 meters?  What is it that you don't get?

Schmidt asked for permission to release and didn't get it.  He released 2 500lb JDAMS on a Canadian combat stick.  Trigger-happy?  Yes. 

It was a Canadian AO.  It was a designated exercise area.   That means designated on a map.   If there was a firefight on the ground it was between who and who?  Which side do you think should have been bombed in the supposed battle?  Both sides?  Do you think F-16s don't have computer navigation or GPS or that Schmidt was flying a Sopwith Camel?

160 7

What the fuck is a "moderate Taliban"?

One with a jammed AK-47

One who forgot the phone number of the cell phone attached to the bomb

One who can't find the keys to the Toyota with the bomb in it

One who couldn't get past the metal detectors at the airport

161 I've always thought the "reaching out" business was SOOO fucking lame and wimpish --- when was the last time a liberal "reached out" for a conservative, except to cut his nuts off??

162 I was stationed there from 95-98, so it sounds about the right time. 

Can't recall what I had for breakfast this morning, so take what I say with a large grain of salt.

163 Myself, 94-97. 65th Combat Eng Bn. We got to run up Kolekole every week. Good Times...

164 Spent more than enough time out in the Kahuku's to last a lifetime. 

Those big-ass centipedes scared the crap out me.

165

No one, including the Canadian commander on the Airborne Warning and Communications System (AWACS) jet that provided traffic control for the pilots, knew what the Canadians were doing on the ground.

 Irrelevant.  It doesn’t matter what they were doing on the ground.  It was a designated exersize area and there wasn’t a call for an air strike.  If there was a firefight going on, and there wasn’t, the F-16 pilot bombed BOTH SIDES.  Traffic control has nothing to do with permission to bomb, and it also has nothing to do with infantry ground exercises.

In fact , the Canadian commander on the AWAC is just an obfuscation of the issue.   The commander would have no knowledge of the infantry exercise because his job was air traffic control in an area where the enemy has no air force and the host country has no civilian air traffic or air traffic control.

 

166 Last post on this issue speller.

You obviously have never worn NODs and if you did you would realize that they totally screw your depth perception.

Reports say that the Canadian troops were firing into the air...I don't buy that for a minute.  Disciplined troops don't do that and your guys are top of the line.

Now if the pilot saw a live-fire at night, usually with every third-round a tracer, he might think they were aimed at him.

Once again, no excuse for good men to die but lay off the line the US Air Force wanted to "get some."

167 Those big-ass centipedes scared the crap out me.

Ewww. I remember that from when I was a kid growing up on Barbers Point NAS.

And big-assed cockroaches.

And giant brown wasps

And cane spiders.

but the geckos were awesome.

168 Speller,

The enemy does not recognize our training areas.

A criticism of George W. is that his DoD was too "pro-active" in prosecuting servicemen. While at Bragg I saw more than a few guys getting strung out for PR alone - and a few that deserved to be in shackles.

If the pilots in this friendly fire incident were to not prosecuted for negligence then there is nothing THERE other than mourning for the casualties. And the trigger pullers shall suffer their own remorse.

Canuck shooters are among the best in the world. Yet I will not believe for a moment that, even amongst their own in safe training grounds, that there has not ever been a accident.

In other words, shiite happens, even in training without hostiles in the AO.

169

If there's anything offensive about Obama saying he's "reaching out to the moderate Taliban," it's that he's jumping on something Petraeus is surely doing, to take credit for it.  Of course, since he approved it as commander in chief, I suppose he can take credit for it.

http://tinyurl.com/df4lbz

Counterinsurgency means you co-opt former enemies.  This is similar to paying Islamic State of Iraq, AQI, and Jaysh Mohammed fighters to join the "Concerned Local Citizens" or Sons of Iraq.  

Morons.

170

Ok people, this thread is over.

Noted foreign policy guru and all around wonk icus has parachuted in to tell you what's what.

You can all go home now.  Dude knows his shit.

171 And big-assed cockroaches.

And giant brown wasps

And cane spiders.

Ahhh! Good Times Indeed!

I had a car, a S-10 size Jimmy, shipped over to Schofield. Drivers side power window stopped working, while down, in Nebraska. Got to Oakland. Put the car on the boat, me on the plane, and reported for duty.

Fixed the window a half year later, and had one glorious tour as a combat engineer.

It seems that the old french fries under the driver seat attracted big-assed cockroaches. I lived with those driving to PT, in shorts each day. Nothing quite like having those guys crawling all over your bare legs every morning. Good news was, they kind-a-sorta, went away.

Then the big-assed cockroaches attacked those fricking centipedes - bodies as big as a pencil, and then the legs on top of the pencil. Nothing like wearing your PT shorts, flip-flops, driving up H-2 for PT while squashing centipedes with your mag-lite as they crawl out from your console right next to your leg.

As the months went by the number of centipedes went lower.
Good news is that, just as the centipedes took care of the big-assed cockroaches, the cane spiders that could cover your friggin face like an octopus took out the centipedes.

Nothing like driving up H-2with a couple of big ass spiders running around on the dash board. I could not bring myself to kill them - not cause I am a tree hugger type or anything like that, but who wants to smash a tomato with six inch legs on your dashboard.

I did manage to evict a couple, open the door when they were active and chase them out with the morning paper or whatever. Best part was when I finished my tour, like your average Haole fool, I stuck around looking for work and found myself living in the old Jimmy, on the beach, with a complete eco-system inside.

Nothing will ever beat waking up to finding silk strands from those 'little' guys over my legs, arms, and face, every morning.

Good Times.

172

Hongqi, I'm not maligning the entire U.S. Air Force, although they did botch the investigation, IMO.  This thread is about the consequences of Zero pulling the plug on Afghanistan.  I brought up the issue of trigger-happy Schmidt because it's a political cudgel that will be used to bash my conservative Prime Minister if it's demonstrated that backing the U.S. in Afghanistan was a fool's errand.

The thing that really bothers me most is that Captain Bullshit's numbers weren't better that Kerry's when all the votes were counted, even though ACORN probably registered about 2 million illegitimate voters in battleground states.  Obama won because American conservatives stayed home and didn't vote McCain.  It kind of mirrored the shenadigans that American conservatives pulled in '06.

I guess they did it because they wanted change from the RINOs.  In Canada we could run a new candidate instead of the old one but I guess in the U.S. you just have to let the RINO get defeated before you can run someone more conservative?

The problem isn't so much with hardcore Mohammedans like the Taliban overseas anyway.  The real problem is with the ones we let into our western countries, both the U.S. and Canada.  We can support out troops and pretend they're keeping us safe, but the real threat is the nasty folks who our own governments are welcoming right into the bosom of our nations.

God Bless America, and good night.

173 You can all go home now.  Dude knows his shit.

OK, going home now.



Fuck, here already?!

174 speller,
Fuck off. Bad shit happens in war. Sometime it happens to allies. It's a shame and a misstep. Sometimes it's worse.

But I just don't give a shit about you.

You complain more than you're worth. We, the Americans, are sorry. But bad shit happens and we're not willing to indict our entire armed force to assuage your dumb ass.

Fucker.

175 Nom de Blog,

Looks like one of those times, before posting, one should hit refresh just one more time.

176 Druid,
Maybe.

177 Maybe Not Too.

This thread does clearly exemplify why blue-on-blue is such a morale killer and why the red, internal or external, keeps pushing it.

178

go to the website religion of peace and read "Fear of death stalk Swat women".

I dread to think what must be going thru the minds of the US forces in Afghanisatan when their prez wants to make nice with their enemy.  I pity our own Canadian soldiers too, because it looks like all their sacrifices have been in vain.

179 The canadian snipers in assghanistan are frigging outstanding. I was livid when I heard that pussy canuck leader wouldn't allow us to give that one guy a medal. That really pissed me off.

180 Oh yeah btw, during the debates didn't  oh arrogant one say he was gonna chase down binladen even if he had to bomb puckistan  in order to do it?

and now he wants to play patty cake with the taliban?

 Dude is really spanking his onion.

181 And why hasn't Obama caught Bin Laden yet? huh? WHY NOT?!?!??!?!

182 Actually, he is correct to engage the moderate Taliban (if they exist) because that is one way of ending insurgencies. Remember in Iraq we ended up working with th 1920's Brigades insurgents against Al Qaeda?

That said, if the price for a deal is no education for women and such, I wonder if its viable.

183

He's laying the groundwork, people. Looking ahead:

Successful first contact with the Vulcans: Traceable to the Obama Doctrine.

War against the Cardassians: Bush's fault.

184

I guess Karzai is retarded too, along with Obama and Petraeus:

Afghan leader Karzai backs Obama's call on Taliban:

http://tinyurl.com/dde9t4

But what does Karzai know?  He's not a "moron" spouting off on a blog.

185

As a matter of fact Karzai has been part of the problem all along.  He's always been beaking off about civilian deaths from air strikes when everybody knows you can't tell the Taliban from civilians.  Karzai wants our troops to go toe-to-toe with suicide bombers so the Taliban can kill more of our boys.

Half of the Generals Karzai has in his Afghan Army are Taliban.  Some of them have even been arrested for collaboration.  Karzai has been pushing for talks with the Taliban from the beginning.

Afghanistan under Karzai is an Islamic Republic where the law of the land is Sharia.  When western forces leave Afghanistan it's only a matter of time until all of the elected seats in government are held by the Taliban.

186

He's always been beaking off about civilian deaths from air strikes when everybody knows you can't tell the Taliban from civilians. 

One minute you're complaining about the USAF killing Canadians, the next excusingminute you're Afghan civilian deaths.  So we have to kill all the civilians?  Did not work too well in Vietnam.

Karzai wants our troops to go toe-to-toe with suicide bombers so the Taliban can kill more of our boys.

Bombing is a poor substitute for boots on the ground - which we don't have because Bush did not expand the ground forces until 2006, and then not enough.

Afghanistan under Karzai is an Islamic Republic where the law of the land is Sharia.  When western forces leave Afghanistan it's only a matter of time until all of the elected seats in government are held by the Taliban.

So what?  Sounds like democracy to me.  If the Afghans want Sharia, we are not going to change them into secular humanists and feminists.  All I care about is whether Afghanistan is used as a base for attacks on other countries.   If they keep to themselves, their laws on morality are not our business.

187

The Afghanistan insurgency isn't being waged like Vietnam.  There isn't a partitioned state there trying to hook up with it's other half.  There is no village relocation program or fortified hamlet strategy.  The Afghan government isn't a coterie of people who have a different religion who hold all the good land against the majority as was the case in Vietnam. 

I don't think the Afghan dead killed in air strikes were civilians.  It's that simple.  Our combat troops have a logistical tail.  The people who cook, clean, pack supplies and ammo etc. are all in uniform on our side.  The enemy regards them as legitimate targets.  This logistical tail is further from our combat forces because we have motorized transport and helicopters.

The Taliban's logistical tail are dressed like the Taliban.  They do the same job as our cooks, bottle washers, and ammo bearers except they happen to be the wives and children of their combat forces and are kept close by because donkeys don't travel very far very fast.  They are therefore legitimate targets and their deaths are the responsibility of those who bring them to the fight.  They use their own children as suicide bombers and weapons bearers.

Karzai knows this and so do our troops and airmen.

Read the history of Afghanistan. 

In 2000 years they've had 60 years of something that passingly resembled peace.  It isn't even a real country.  It's just a wasteland where a lot of other surrounding  countries haven't cared  enough to extend their rule.  It's a place where armies pass through on their way to kick someone else's ass in one of the surrounding real nations. 

Even the Pakistanis don't rule the North Western territories that touch on Afghanistan, it isn't worth their effort.  The people who live there are a mix of tribes from the surrounding other nations who couldn't get along with their own ethnic groups and they fight relentlessly with each other in Afghanistan.

Back in the mists of time many of the inhabitants were Buddhist but Muslims invaded and slaughtered them all.  Now they're almost entirely Muslim and slaughter each other when outsiders aren't handy.

188 I'm thinking that moderate Taliban are the ones who don't mutilate the corpses of their victims. 

Obama is such a genius for thinking out of the box and reaching out to the Moderate Taliban!  Why didn't WE think of that?  Just think how previous wars would have gone had we followed the Good Obama Diplomacy Method instead of the Bad American Fighting Method.  Instead of fighting a bloody campaign across France, FDR could have just reached out to the Moderate Nazis!  Maybe we could have avoided dropping the Bomb had FDR reached out to the moderate Japanese, you know, the ones who weren't chopping prisoners heads off for sport, vivisecting prisoners for surgery practice, or harvesting the Allied dead off the battlefield to cook and eat.

Maybe our problem is we're just too judgemental, you know?  Different cultures, different customs and all that.

189 Moderate elements of the Taliban?  Does this asshat of a president have a fucking clue?  (Rhetorical question with tongue firmly in cheek.)

190 Nothing going on between us and the Taliban that can't smoothed over with a little visit from Barry carrying a honey-baked ham.

By the way, Barry, the moderate elements of the Taliban are in cemeteries. Moderately smoky. So make sure it's a smoked ham.

Sigh. I sure hope they have electricity over there for his teleprompter.

191

Barry really meeds to go visit the Pockystan/Afghanistan border region. Ike went to Korea!  

192 Icus,

Airpower is not a substitute for boots on the ground in Afghanistan. Its a substitute for artillery. I think you know this. And the last time someone "flooded the zone" in Afghanistan it did not work so well, see Soviets.

All I know is I am glad I am not in charge.

Karzai also may or may not be a problem - note that Biden and Karzai don't get along. He is supposedly in the drug trade, who knows.

I think you're right that we should not expect the Pashtuns to stop growing poppies or not enact Sharia....female education, maybe that's a line we should draw, but again, tough call.

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