1 Well played, sir.

2

3
This is not a shell game and I don't want to shmooze people into joining the GOP.

Conservatism is very simple to articulate. The only stumbling block we have is finding people willing to publically articulate our core principles and then take the flack from the hateful Left.

4 ...the Republican Revolution of 1994 didn't happen because Newt Gingrich said "Whatever the Democrats are giving you, we'll give you 10% more!"

Yes indeed. I might add that lately too many Republicans have been saying "Whatever the Democrats are giving you, we'll give you 10% less!" That's not what you could call a tasty offer.

5
by the way, Yay another Steele/Rush thread!

6 Here's the problem: Rush IS a clown.  He's an entertainer, and it's becoming increasingly clear that he is a cynical calculator a la Coulter at that: he's less concerned with the health and well-being of the conservative movement than with promoting his own supremacy in a party that is out of power.  Ace and Allah have said it already: he didn't NEED to call out Steele (who frankly was perfectly justified in attacking Limbaugh's politically toxic rhetoric), he knew full well that Steele was merely doing what he had to do for the GOP, but he did it anyway.  Because he wants it to be all about him.

I had enough of Coulter long ago, and now I think I've had enough of Rush.  He does many things so well, he helps marshall the die-hard elements of the base (and little more, I might point out - he repels almost everyone else), but that's it.  In every other way he's becoming a drag on the conservative attempts to rebuild and rebrand for a new era.  I see nothing that he brings to the table in terms of enforcing ideological conservatism that isn't vastly outweighed by the fatally toxic effect his rhetoric is having on branding GOP/conservatism as the faction of "praying for failure"...that shit ain't going to fly in the current environment, and anyone who thinks it does only does so BECAUSE YOU'RE ALREADY PART OF THE TRUE BELIEVING BASE FOR FUCK'S SAKE LEARN TO STEP OUTSIDE YOUR OWN PERCEPTIONS AND THINK ABOUT APPEALING TO THE PEOPLE WE LOST OVER THE LAST FOUR YEARS.

7 When he sits there nodding while some moron is comparing conservatives to The Vilest Political Movement of the mid-20th Century, he's legitimizing the comparison.

Yes.  That.  That right there.  The fact that Steele didn't say "Excuse me, but what the hell do you mean by that?" speaks volumes.  The fact that he didn't stand up and say "no, no that's beyond the line" is why I'm blindly furious.  That is not acceptable.  It's not.  That is accepting the premise.  And that is flatly unacceptable in the person who is the head of the RNC.

8 Steele was merely doing what he had to do for the GOP

If accepting a comparison to the Nazis is what has to be done for the GOP, then I'm don't want any fucking part of it.

9
...he's less concerned with the health and well-being of the conservative movement than with promoting his own supremacy...

Yeah, see, the funny thing is I get the opposite impression and believe Rush is sincere. Strange, that.

10 This is not a shell game and I don't want to shmooze people into joining the GOP.

I suppose you don't give a damn about winning elections, then.  How else do you convince people to vote for you, or come over to your side?  I've got news for you: the faux-Blunt Manly Man posturing of saying "here's hardcore conservatism, take it or go to hell motherfucker"...that doesn't gain any votes, or any converts (except perhaps people who are subconsciously drawn to fascist displays of power...pretty marginal group there).  You don't need to sell out core conservative principles in the act of branding oneself as an OPTIMISTIC and FORWARD-LOOKING political party.  Embracing Rush Limbaugh when he barks out political death-penalty material like "I hope Obama fails" is the worst move a party trying to do this could make.  Americans hate it when people actively embrace a position of wishing for failure and more misery, regardless of the seemingly principled reasons behind such incendiary statements. This is because Americans don't like assholes.

Even if you THINK "I hope Obama fails" you don't ever SAY that out loud unless you're just trying to make a Coulteresque grab for headlines, or play for the hearts of the angriest irredentist base of the GOP.  And anyone doing that is out for their own selfish interests, not working for the GOP, conservatism, or the country at large.

11 "How many battalions does Jeff B. have?"

Yes, Rush is such a marginal player and a net drag on the conservative movement.

::rolls eyes::

12 The Nazi thing is what's also pissing me off, other than backstabbing Rush.

Once those words left Hughley's mouth, Steele should have been "all up in his grill".

He should have lit him up.

Instead he fucking rolls over.

13

I had enough of Coulter long ago, and now I think I've had enough of Rush.

We need more people in our tent.

Kick these people out now to make room.

14 Republicans surrender to a clown.

Oh well, who wants to win elections anyways?

15
By the way, there are plenty of clips of Rush and Ann on yootoob, so when you talk smack about them (basically repeating the smears of our political enemies), please link an example as evidence for your point.

Or even text will do. Vid. Text. Whatever. Just show us what exactly you have a problem with Ann or Rush.

16

"Limbaugh's politically toxic rhetoric"

  Oh, are you talking about Rush's demands that all American liberals be placed in concentration camps and worked to death?  What?  Didn't he say that?

  I would think that a NAZI would have said something like that in his Nuremburg rally speech, right?

  Jeff B. : 

Common Pineapple.

Your Squeakhole.

Sideways, bitch.

17 AND THINK ABOUT APPEALING TO THE PEOPLE WE LOST OVER THE LAST FOUR YEARS.....
 I take it You mean the Hughley fans and all those potential hip hop republicans , Jeff B.
That sounds like a real fuckin' plan.
Before you call me a Rush fanboy , you should know I can count on two hands the number of times I've listened to him.

18 His position is unenviable if he's looking for liberal approval and he accepts their premises. If that's the case, he could be in the wrong party (although John McCain would beg to differ).

He's got the roadmap for winning, and he's got the map to all the cocktail parties. He's got to choose.

19 Steele got to where he was for one reason along and it isn't ability or ideology. Ya, lets get rid the RNC of any ability or ideology to make to make room for people like Steele or McCain. That should work out well.

20 Well, a little less limp-and-floppy than Allah and Ace. Congrats! For balls I guess Ann C. will have to do, or maybe Malkin.

21 Is Jeff B. David Frum?

22 I'll be impressed by Michael Steele when I hear from him what he's doing about GOP Congressmen refusing to take calls or e-mails from people outside their districts.

Until they're willing to hear from me, don't expect any more money from me.

23 Not saying what you really think is the opposite of a principled position. Those (few) of you that think we can triangulate our way to election victory are seriously disillusioned. And trying to throw overboard one of the few consistently conservative thought leaders we have...someone that millions of people listen to and respect. Wow, that's a great start.

24

attempts to rebuild and rebrand for a new era.

Dude you're not a conservative, you're a Republican. You're a red team guy.

Easy fix - change your shirt. Go blue.

Conservatism isn't something you "rebuild" and "rebrand" for a "new era". You, apparently, don't know what the hell it means.

Reagan's 1964 "A Time for Choosing" is even more relevant today then it was then if you adjust the numbers for inflation. The Constitution was written in 1787.

25
"here's hardcore conservatism, take it or go to hell motherfucker"

Yep, that's exactly what I had in mind. Look, if you're going to take the contrary position in a debate, at least argue with some intellectual honesty.

George Bush, in 2000, beat Al Gore in 3 debates with the simple message of Conservatism. Again in 2004, George Bush beat John Kerry in all 3 debates by speaking from a conservative point of view.

George Bush can do it; it's not that hard.

26 I can't wait to consult the premier intellectual lights of Republicanism on the sure way to electoral victory. Brooks, Noonan, David Frum, and of course, McCain. Thank Mother Gaia his centrism was victorious last November.

Oh, wait...

27 Republican moderate = RINO = McAmnesty = Republican election defeat = Communist election win

28 My problem with Steele is that he was not quick enough or bright enough or principled enough to stand up to those 2 douchebags and articulate why they were wrong.
And the nazi comment was directed at the Republican convention, not CPAC.
And Jeff B., you could not be more wrong.

29

I think you all are being much too hard on Steele.  What did you expect him to do?  Jump up and get all up in the guy's grill?  He was on TV for pete's sake.  You gotta go along to get along, right?

I mean, if the shoe was on the other foot, and Steele was being interviewed along with the president of the 4H club, and the 4H guy said that the democratic party looked like it had warm ideas, but when you looked at it closely, you realized it was full of n*ggers and n*gger lovers, what do you think Steele would have done?  He would have made some reasonable point about how that could be an unfortunate misperception, and moved on.  Then both of them would have gone out and watched ESPN together at the local bar, right?

 

Right???????

30
Oh, and more to the point, McCain did shitty in all 3 debates against Obama because he debated like a moderate Democrat.

So we tried the moderate approach already and it failed miserably. We lost North Carolina.

North fucking Carolina, we lost it.

31 I posted this at the end of the Rush vs. Steele thread:

"D.L. Hughley said that Rush's audience at CPAC looked "literally" like NAZI Germany because Hughley thinks that all white people want to kill non-whites.  So when he sees happy white people, that's what comes up in his mind.

Racism (on his part), personified."

Did Steele apologize for not calling out D.L.'s racism?

32 Russ -

When I talk about toxic rhetoric, I'm specifically referring to Rush's stated claim that he hopes Obama will fail, and wants to see him fail. 

Look, I DO TOO.  I understand where the feeling comes from.  I know all the reasons someone should feel that way.  BUT IT'S A TOXICALLY STUPID THING TO SAY RIGHT NOW.  As perverse as it must seem to us on the 'outside', a majority of the nation is fearful as hell, hoping for things to get better, and looking (probably futilely) towards President Obama to get the job done.  When people are losing their jobs and credit markets are collapsing, etc., actively hoping the President will fail is a political death sentence.  If any of you are familiar with the ORIGINAL New Deal, this is exactly the same tone Republicans back then adopted vis-a-vis Roosevelt...and were rewarded for their troubles by being hammered mercilessly by the voters. Rush is letting his id run wild when he talks openly about wishing for failure, and any politican MUST run screaming from that rhetoric if they want to have a chance in hell of not alienating tons of potential voters.

33 Lets see, John McCain is about as "moderate" a Republican you can get without being Olympia Snowe.

I too recall his stunning upset win over the untested Hard Left candidate last November.

34

Those (few) of you that think we can triangulate our way to election victory are seriously disillusioned delusional.

FIFY

35 Amen, Russ.

Seriously, this "Nazi" smear on Republicans is really old and stale.  I think we should all do to moonbats who use that smear what Bill Buckley threatened to do to Gore Vidal (?) when the latter kept referring to the former as a "crypto-Nazi" .. sock 'em in the god-damned face!

36

Well Said !!

Thank You

37 #6.  I think I know where you're coming from. I suppose those of your philosophy were champions of Maverick and see where that got us.  And don't say that 8 years of constant vile, vicious turkey shit from the leftist radicals didn't sway the unwashed masses to vote against Maverick, not to speak of his unvarnished so-called moderate approach to kissing ass with the other side of the isle.
No, it's not time to kiss the dimokrats and make up. It's time to kick ass!

38

I suppose you don't give a damn about winning elections, then.

With that attitude, you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem.

How else do you convince people to vote for you, or come over to your side?  I've got news for you: the faux-Blunt Manly Man posturing of saying "here's hardcore conservatism, take it or go to hell motherfucker"...that doesn't gain any votes, or any converts

You do it how Reagan and Gingrich did it:  by defining conservative values and sticking to them.  The shit sells itself - they laid out the conservative case to the American people and they ate that shit up. 

(except perhaps people who are subconsciously drawn to fascist displays of power...pretty marginal group there).

...

Coulteresque grab for headlines, or play for the hearts of the angriest irredentist base of the GOP

You suck at being a moby.  You let two liberal memes slip in there, sport.  Try again, and post from another ISP - this one's busted.

 

 

39

North fucking Carolina, we lost it.

Because McCain was too conservative for North Carolina.

I knew we should have made Hillary a better offer...

40 Well, I like Rush and Steele and Jindal. Are they conservatives? Yes. Are they human and make mistakes? Yes. Do they have all the qualifications we want in our candidate? No. But we will get no where if we keep discarding people who are willing to be conservative politicians, radio heads, pundits, spokesperson, etc, just because they don't have everything we desire in a candidate. Frankly, I want to win in 2010 and 2012 and that is the bottom line.

41 Rush IS the line in the sand...There is no acceptable position for anyone calling themselves *conservative* on a side opposite Rush(or Coulter)to even the minutest degree. Not buying it for any reason but complete lack of cajones or lack of conviction of true principles.

42 Listen to baldilocks..... Learn from baldilocks.

Dammit, I wish she was running the RNC.

43 Republicans surrender to a clown.

Oh well, who wants to win elections anyways?
Posted by: andros

hahahaha, look who's here. Hi, troll pretending to be a Republican.

adnros and I chatted the night of Obama's show and andros, a concerned Republican, has a lot of advice for the good of our party.

44 Personally I don't think we are losing electoral ground by talking about how we want the nation to succeed, and that we are on the wrong track towards achieving this. If it takes an "incendiary" comment like "I hope the President fails" to get people paying attention to the dialog on this, I think it's a net long-term gain for our side. I really do.

45 Jeff, the Republicans have gotten more and more weak-kneed and moderate over the past four years, while at a local level, Dems. have railed against deficits and corruption, traditionally conservative strong points.  Your solution is to make the tent bigger by sacrificing any core beliefs or principals, become more moderate, do what WE'VE DONE FOR THE LAST FOR YEARS! (heh, I can use the caps lock too)

How much sense does that make?

46

BUT IT'S A TOXICALLY STUPID THING TO SAY RIGHT NOW.

A journey of a thousand miles starts with one step.

And it's finally time to start stepping.

47 (except perhaps people who are subconsciously drawn to fascist displays of power...pretty marginal group there).


O-BA-MA!  O-BA-MA!  YES WE CAN!  YES WE CAN!

48 Here's the problem: Rush IS a clown.

You pretty much lost me here. An entertainer is one thing, but Rush articulates conservative positions with reason and fact. That is not characteristic of a clown.

Slinging careless insults, on the other hand, is characteristic of a clown. So, JeffB, shouldn't your nose be red not brown?

49

Aubrey is right.  Baldilocks argued with Ace about this about a month ago.  I believe her point was you gotta take a stand on this on principal, regardless of the tactical.  No one will respect someone who just lets themselves be called a Nazi or racist without striking back.

Ace, God bless him, didn't see it that way.  A rare case of me disagreein' with Ace.

50

Dude you're not a conservative, you're a Republican. You're a red team guy.

Easy fix - change your shirt. Go blue.

Conservatism isn't something you "rebuild" and "rebrand" for a "new era". You, apparently, don't know what the hell it means.

There ought to a rule similar to Godwin's Law, that the first person to say "you're not a REAL [X]" in any situation automatically loses the argument.  Not only am I a REAL conservative, I've staked my entire public life upon that and committed endless amounts of time and money in the movement.  I'm a conservative first and a Republican second, too - the exact OPPOSITE of a "team guy."  Don't even dare to sit there behind your keyboard and question my ideological credentials merely because I think Rush is doing a lot of harm to the practical advancement of conservative goals.

Once again I will emphasize my point: Rush is usually right on the core principles of things.  THAT'S NOT ENOUGH.  THAT'S NEVER ENOUGH.  The sorts of people who delusionally and stubbornly tell themselves that this is enough are the sorts of people congenitally incapable of understanding politics or winning elections.  The trick is to rebrand the GOP by reclaiming classical conservative principles WHILST ALSO not stepping on public relations landmines like Limbaugh has.  But the really obscene thing here is Limbaugh calling Steele onto the carpet so publicly, as if to make him his personal bitch or something.  Gee, that'll really make us all look good, won't it?

51 42 Listen to baldilocks..... Learn from baldilocks.

Dammit, I wish she was running the RNC.

The desire to pull out my Beretta and bust a cap in Leftist ass would be too great.

52 Too great for me to resist, that is.

53 She demands and commands respect, that Baldilocks.

54 Exactly right! As much I can like Rush, he should NOT be dictating GOP policy.

Steele has to simply ignore the guy.

*waves at baldi* hello!

55

But, baldilocks called DL Hughley a racist!  You can't call a black man a raci...

Oh. Never mind.

 

56 I wouldn't want my dad to be a push-over pussy. Why should I want the leader of my country to be one?

57

 Don't even dare to sit there behind your keyboard and question my ideological credentials merely because I think Rush is doing a lot of harm to the practical advancement of conservative goals.

Don't worry, I didn't.

I questioned your ideological credentials because you don't understand conservatism.

58 Jeff B. reminds me of Nazi Germany.

59 Agree with post/comments about Steele's acceptance of the Nazi comparison.

I've been in the media relations business for 25 years, and Media Training 101 teaches interviewees how to avoid being sucked into accepting the questioner's false premise, whether through stated agreement or through non-verbal cues (a tight head-shot on a TV screen magnifies the affirmative or negative nods).

Given Steele's current and previous positions, I find it difficult to believe that he has not had media training at a higher-than-entry level.

His performance--in his over-the-top attack on Rush and his non-defense of the entire GOP--was inexcusable. (I say that as a Steele fan, BTW.)

As noted above, Steele should have jumped down the interviewer's throat in response to the Nazi charge, and he easily could have responded to the Rush bait with something to this effect: "Whether you like Rush or not, at CPAC he clearly articulated some of the key principles that the GOP has abandoned--to its detriment and that of the country. Moreover, Rush's 'Obama should fail' comments articulate simply and clearly the notion that, as the opposition party, we should vigorously oppose policies that we think will damage the country and its citizens--just as the Democrats vigorously, unapologetically, and often viciously, attacked President Bush over the past 8 years."

60 Steele a conservative ? Ninja , please .
 I'd like to hear him articulate some more of his 2nd amendment views. Yeah, that inconvenient amendment ..I'm sure that will give conservatives the warm fuzzies.

61

Jesus Christ, Jeff B.

You're referencing Godwin's Fucking Law?

After DL Hughley refers to Rush's CPAC Audience as Nazis?

Are you off your fucking meds?

62

Don't even dare to sit there behind your keyboard and question my ideological credentials merely because I think Rush is doing a lot of harm to the practical advancement of conservative goals.

Or what?  'Cause that's what I'm doing, along with calling you yellow, you lily-livered sapsucker.

63 RB for RNC chair!

64 I don't care if Rush crafts "GOP policy," I'd just like to see one that doesn't involve bending over or scuffing kneepads for the news-media, while at the same time seeing how much they can ignore or apparently try to alienate me and the rest of the base.

65 You suck at being a moby.  You let two liberal memes slip in there, sport.  Try again, and post from another ISP - this one's busted.

Accusing me of being a moby?  That's hilarious.  I've been a regular reader/commenter at AoS since, what, 2003?

66 Thankfully Blago is getting a book deal.

Soon we'll have the movie...starring that prick George Cloony. Blago will do a cameo and wink at the camera. duh1 and his Klingon wife will go to the Premier Movie Ball and he'll take all the credit.

Your tax dollars will pay to make the film and it will preempt the Superbowl.

67 Jeff, do you really think the MSM and the general public would be paying ANY attention whatsoever to the GOP right now if it weren't for Rush Limbaugh and the remaining conservatives in Congress who have stood up to the Obama/Pelosi agenda? Do you think the Obama admin would be calling out Rush personally and giving him even more attention if they weren't threatened by the message he is communicating?? Think about it...

68
Jeff B. reminds me of Nazi Germany.

*nods head*

69

#62EofJ

"lily-livered sapsucker"!?

Call him a cunt and be done with it.

 

70 Said it before, say it again. Suppose I proclaim "I oppose virtually all of his policies and wish he had never started in office, but I support our President?"

How is that any less dishonest than "I oppose virtually all of our war efforts and wish we had never entered Iraq but I support the troops!"

I'll stay honest and say I hope Barry fails. Unfortunately the world sees him getting everything he wants, and so we have the Dow below 7000.

71 I posted this at the end of the Rush vs. Steele thread:

"D.L. Hughley said that Rush's audience at CPAC looked "literally" like NAZI Germany because Hughley thinks that all white people want to kill non-whites. So when he sees happy white people, that's what comes up in his mind.

Racism (on his part), personified."

Did Steele apologize for not calling out D.L.'s racism?
Posted by: baldilocks at March 02, 2009 08:09 PM (cgFdI)

I watched the interview live when it was broadcast. My take at the time was that the Nazi comment was so stupid that Steele didn't dignify it with a response. Hughley made an ass of himself with that comment, and sometimes when your opponent is making an ass of himself the best thing to do is shut up. And I doubt Hughley meant to say that Republicans are mass murderers, he used a sloppy comparison of an all-white RNC convention (which of course is not the case, but many black commentators have perpetuated the myth that you never see black people at a Republican convention) to an all-white Nazi rally.

I really am at a loss why this has become such a huge deal. It plays right into Rahm Emanuel's hands.

72

@65

Interesting.  How long have icus and Seattle Slough been commenting here?

73

I'd like to hear him articulate some more of his 2nd amendment views. Yeah, that inconvenient amendment ..I'm sure that will give conservatives the warm fuzzies.

The 2nd ammendment needs to be rebuilt and rebranded for a new era.

I'm thinking maybe, "A well regulated militia, being neccessary to the security of a free state, shall not be allowed lest it try to violate the sanctity of abortion".

It's hip. 20-somethings will dig it.

74

  And this brings up the biggest elephant in the room, Jeff B.

  If Rush DIDN'T want Obama's policies to fail, than wouldn't it make sense that he would have voted for the man?  Instead, he held his nose and voted for not-Obama & Palin. 

  Stating that he wants the man to fail is NOT the same thing as stating that he wants America to fail.  Until you can get this simple fact through your goddamn thick skull, maybe you'd better go back to AAA commenting for awhile until you beat your slump.

75 Russ -

I agree with you about D.L. Hughley.  What an obnoxious asshole he was, tossing around the Nazi slander.  I imagine we both can agree that Steele would have been far better served by attacking THAT premise, even while distancing himself from Limbaugh's rhetoric, which I still think is terrible for the GOP to become identified with.

76 I like the cut of JeffB's jib!

77 JeffB and I could really get along...

78 For Immediate Release

March 2, 2009

Contact: DNC Press Office

Kaine Statement: Steele Apology to Rush Limbaugh Proves the Point:

Limbaugh is Leading Force behind Republican Party

Washington, DC – On the same day GOP Chairman Michael Steele apologized to conservative talk radio show host Rush Limbaugh for courageously challenging Limbaugh’s role as leader of the Republican Party calling his show “incendiary” and “ugly,” Governor Tim Kaine, chairman of the Democratic National Committee, issued the following statement calling on Republicans in Washington to stop following Rush Limbaugh’s lead:

“I was briefly encouraged by the courageous comments made my counterpart in the Republican Party over the weekend challenging Rush Limbaugh as the leader of the Republican Party and referring to his show as ‘incendiary’ and ‘ugly.’ However, Chairman Steele’s reversal this evening and his apology to Limbaugh proves the unfortunate point that Limbaugh is the leading force behind the Republican Party, its politics and its obstruction of President Obama’s agenda in Washington. Just this weekend, Rush Limbaugh repeated his claim that he is rooting for the President to fail. The last time Rush Limbaugh said he wanted the President to fail, virtually every single Republican in Congress followed his lead and voted against the President’s plan to create or save 3.5 million jobs.

“As Congress works to pass the President’s budget, Republicans need to stop following divisive figures like Rush Limbaugh, stop apologizing to him and put aside the failed politics of the past so we can put our economy back on track, reform our health care system, break our dependence on foreign oil, improve our schools, and lay the foundation for long-term growth in the 21st Century.”

###

Paid for and authorized by the Democratic National Committee, www.democrats.org .

This communication is not authorized by any candidate or candidate’s committee.

79 Rush represents the Republicans with a death wish, Darling.

To Americans, he's more repugnant than George W. Bush.

I hope you'll understand why us real Republicans are trying to decouple that porker from our cart.

80 71 -
Well, let's see... About a year from now, some lefty blog will have a transcript...

81 Stating that he wants the man to fail is NOT the same thing as stating that he wants America to fail.  Until you can get this simple fact through your goddamn thick skull, maybe you'd better go back to AAA commenting for awhile until you beat your slump.

I've got news for you: if you're splitting hairs like that, you've already lost the PR war.  I understand the point you're making perfectly well, and it is indeed logically valid.  But it's a loser politically.  Do you not see that? 

82 What I wouldn't give to see baldilocks debate Hughley or any other grievance monger. Either with her wit or with her Beretta.
On second thought . The Beretta would be better.

83
When an ignoramus moonbat like DL Hughley (who has no eyebrow just like Whoopi Goldberg) calls you a Nazi, he means that you are a racist, evil, murdering, hearltess, militant, nasty white bastard who should not be allowed to breath free air.

That's what he means. Don't try to put lipstick on that pig.

84 Jeff you've been faithful even after The One's assent to power, good on you!

85

#65 Jeff B.

While I disagree with you about this particular issue, I can find solace in your being a long-time poster here and people still going after you. I go through the same thing at Little Green Footballs. The cult of Charles is a curious and rather troubling thing at LGF. At least here at AofSpades there is a genuine comraderie that doesn't border on sycophanctic ball-grabbing. I admire your position even if I differ with it.

 

86 The revolution have you down? Republicans look like the commie holdovers after Yeltsin democratized Russia. Next thing you'll see us take to the streets to protest the dismantling of our pensions. The young people look and laugh. It's over for the 40 and over generation who played by the rules. We are life's chumps.

If you aren't throwing money at "green" companies then you're in denial. This is about not giving a crap if it's less economical. The green revolution and global warming are all attempts to take the west off the oil standard.

87   So Jeff, if the GOP doesn't want Obama's policies to fail, exactly WHAT does the party stand for?  What's our opposing platform?

88

The New Majority is neither.

Hey, that's got a certain familiar ring to it.

89 Rush needs to get over himself.

It might make his ego feel good to force his critics to kneel before him.  But I don't see how it is any good for the party to stifle criticism of anyone, much less a businessman whose fortunes seem to rise when the GOP is out of power.

90 Limbaugh and Hannity need to retire. They lost.

91 Maybe Jeff Band Steele are right , I mean, the Democrats spend years spending every day screaming about how much they wanted Bush to fail... and look what it got them.

92 Is it too late to recall Steele? He's just not working out.

93 I think that Steele's non defense on the Nazi statement is a deal buster. That wasn't a "mistake" that was a view into the heart.
I say he's got to go, I certainly don't want this guy making decisions on behalf of the Republican Party.

What do you all think about getting rid of Steele now, while the getting is good?

94 #59 - I could not disagree with you more.

Mike Steele is trying to change the image of the Republican Party. He went on a TV show to talk about that. He is not part of Rush Limbaugh's publicity team and it isn't his job to defend Limbaugh against any and all media attacks, especially when doing so will distract him from talking about his positive agenda for the RNC.

Reasonable people, even reasonable conservatives, think Limbaugh went too far with his "I hope he fails" comment. Steele made a poor choice of words in using the word "ugly" to describe Limbaugh's comment. But just because he doesn't approve of this comment doesn't mean he isn't a conservative.

You guys REALLY need to lighten up. Mike Steele is not the enemy here, Rahm Emanuel is.

95
And there you go. Thanks for posting that, AdamS.

It says it all.

The Democrats to Steele: "More, please."

96 Humpty Hump and the Digital Underground is here to stay. Sex Packets Steele aint going anywhere.

97 Nuance...you SO right JeffB! We need nuance, not more name-calling polarization.

98 Jeff B, what is so 'toxic' about saying "I want Obama to fail"? I want Obama to fail. There, I did it. It shouldn't even be controversial.

He is for the things I'm against. He is trying to enact the things I'm against. I hope he fails. He is trying to destroy the things I'm for. I hope he fails.

He's trying to spend money we haven't even dreamed of earning yet. I hope he fails. He's trying to withdraw from Iraq. I hope he fails. He's encouraging Putin, Iran, Bin Laden, Chavez, Castro, and Kim Il Sung. I hope he fails. He's trying to cut us off from our own energy supplies. I hope he fails. He's trying to tie us down in the UN. I hope he fails. He's trying to take over the banks, autos, insurance, and medical care. I hope he fails. Steel and energy would be next in line. I hope he fails.

Nothing personal, I don't hate him, I don't wish him ill. I hope he fails in his efforts.

99

Damnit, can't we get baldilocks an American-made heater? Mayber a Kimber or a Springfield XD?  What kind of message is she trying to send by pistol-whipping liberals with a European pistol?  That she wants to see the ascendancy of Western European Socialism??!!11!1!

These questions need answers. 

 

100 ...and Jeff. If openly wishing failure on the political opposition is such a loser of a political strategy, why exactly have we lost the White House and both houses of Congress in the last 2 election cycles? Once we accept the premise that you are espousing, we are already playing defense instead of offense. Which is exactly what the other side wants us to do.

101 Andrew Breitbart recently stated that he "can't relate to Trent Lott's haircut". Meaning - he's a new republican, but recognizes the need for new blood. Now, Steele is too passive. And, maybe Limbaugh is too confrontational. But people on the right lose with passivity - get pissed by it. One would like to think a man named Michael Steele being interviewed by a D.L. Hughley would live up to his namesake. Many here are pissed that Steele was hardly at all hard. He rolled over in the interview trying SOMEHOW to appeal to the Jon Stewart/MTV crowd. That really won't win.

102 I thought Steele was the RINO crowds victory, and was sorry he got the spot to begin with...this just confirmed it for me. He should be packing up his office right now.

103 Jeff B, we've beat your argument to death in other threads today. Your position has been roundly put to death. It's dead, it's dumb, it doesn't fly with the thinking people on this site. Move on to something else. Give a suggestion on a new RNC chair or go to the Daily Kos, that might be fun for you.

104 93 I think that Steele's non defense on the Nazi statement is a deal buster. That wasn't a "mistake" that was a view into the heart.
I say he's got to go, I certainly don't want this guy making decisions on behalf of the Republican Party.

What do you all think about getting rid of Steele now, while the getting is good?
Posted by: mare at March 02, 2009 08:30 PM
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Oh for chrissakes, it was one freaking interview! A view into the heart? WTF? You really think Mike Steele believes Republicans are Nazis? This guy has had Oreos thrown at him and called shit that you could not possibly withstand, because he is a Republican.

Grow the hell up, people.

105 JDW...thanks for the endorsement. Not interested in the position, but if they want to hire a media relations consultant, I'm available. :-)

106

I'm just not getting the whole Rush is just an entertainer meme that is emanating from sites like this and the lameass attempts made on our side to beclown him.

Rush is saying exacty what most of us are thinking and these spineless fuck's in the GOP should be doing. No one in the current admin. is scared shitless of any so called conservative on Crapitol Hill.  They are however scared shitless of Rush, Hannity, etc.,etc. They call em' out by name.

Ya' know who else is scared?Obviosly our conserative leaderhip who will get called out for every misstep they make. Rush may be a partisan, but he's equal opportunity when it comes to going after our own also when they don't stay the course. How many on the left do that?

So before anyone calls Rush a clown be sure and take your own clown suit off first. The Democrats didn't get to where they are now by being nice and bi-partisan. We need rabid conservative and a new breed of brave conserative leadership in Washington to replace the milquetoast pantywaists who run like roaches everytime the lights come on.

 

Oh yea, and Michael Steele's a tool.

107 RB - get that resume updated - things change by the day!

108 Hey andros, on the off chance that you have ever actually voted for a Republican, here's a protip.
I. Don't. Give. A. Shit. About "real Republicans."  I am a conservative, first and foremost.  I will vote for and support the Republican Party as long as it forwards, or at the very least attempts to forward a conservative platform and vision for the United States of America.  If being a "real Republican" means allowing liberalism to be the dominant or even a major voice in the party, in the interest of advancing the party, they can take a hike as they'll have outlived their usefulness as a political party.

109 True Empire of Jeff,,,,,, She'd look smokin' hot with Mr. Browning's 1911....

Wait , did I say that out loud ?

110
Tim cocksuker Kaine called Steele 'courageous' for sitting there like a dunce while getting punked by a ignorant comic and a fucking hip hop rapper.

Steele might be a nice guy and a loyal Republican, but he's clearly incompetent and a detrement to the future of the RNC.

111 So Jeff, if the GOP doesn't want Obama's policies to fail, exactly WHAT does the party stand for?  What's our opposing platform?

Russ, I've said the following so many times, and you've failed to acknowledge my point so many times, that I'm beginning to wonder if you're trying to miss it:

The GOP should want Obama's policies to fail.  You surely want Obama's policies to fail.  I sure as hell want him and them to fail.  BUT YOU CANNOT SAY THAT OUT LOUD.  To say that out loud -- not just in the current crisis, but in any analogous crisis -- is politically suicidal because it is extremely difficult for the average voter to distinguish from wanting AMERICA to fail.  It strikes a lot of people as being akin to those asshole liberal douchebags who practically seemed to be rooting for America to lose the Iraq War...remember how they came off?  Like unpatriotic selfish fucks who were happy to see a nation burn and America humiliated merely to vindicate their own personal positions, and to knock Bush in the dirt.  Now of course they would have explained that OF COURSE they had good reasons for wanting us to lose in Iraq (usually some crap about preventing American imperialism yada yada yada), but gee, that one didn't play with the folks in Peoria now did it?

It's the same with the situation we're now in.  We have genuinely principled reasons for wanting to see Obama's policies fail -- far better ones than liberals could ever have articulated for wanting us to lose in Iraq, such as a desire not to see a new welfare state, or the metastasizing of the National Debt -- but if you say it like that, you're going to instinctively repel people. 

Russ, it's about the "wanting."  That's the worst semantic choice imaginable.  If Rush, or Steele, or any GOP politician had said "I want America to succeed and wish Obama the best, but I'm dead certain that his proposed policies will lead to disaster," then there wouldn't be any problem.  Nor would we be sacrificing any principle.  But saying "I WANT Obama to fail" has nasty, toxic associations freighted within its words that do nothing to clarify the conservative argument and do a whole lot to prevent it from reaching open ears.

112 Steele is like that pressure from the commish pick the redneck owner selects when the team is down just to get even. He knows the dude is going to be three and out and uses this downcycle on the team to placate the commish.

113
"Reasonable people, even reasonable conservatives, think Limbaugh went too far with his "I hope he fails" comment. Steele made a poor choice of words in using the word "ugly" to describe Limbaugh's comment. But just because he doesn't approve of this comment doesn't mean he isn't a conservative."


Reasonable people agree with Limbaugh. Steele made an ass of himself not only about Rush but also when he sat there bobbing his head like a moron when the two hosts were smearing republicans. If you are going to allow that nonsense you are the enemy.

114 Steele made a poor choice of words in using the word "ugly" to describe Limbaugh's comment.

And that poor choice of words was, for many of us, the next to final kick in the teeth from the people who want a.  our money,  b. our time, c. our money, d. our votes and e. our money.  Failing to stand up to someone calling us Nazis was the final straw. 

My take at the time was that the Nazi comment was so stupid that Steele didn't dignify it with a response. Hughley made an ass of himself with that comment, and sometimes when your opponent is making an ass of himself the best thing to do is shut up. And I doubt Hughley meant to say that Republicans are mass murderers, he used a sloppy comparison of an all-white RNC convention (which of course is not the case, but many black commentators have perpetuated the myth that you never see black people at a Republican convention) to an all-white Nazi rally.

Wow.  Wow.  I'm sorry, but I've been called a Nazi to my face by people who, quite literally, believe that anyone with an (R) after their name wants to recreate the Holocaust, but this time make sure the blacks and gays go in the oven too in order to accept your interpretation.  Seriously, those comments have to be called out.  Called out hard and called out loud.

115

Reasonable people, even reasonable conservatives, think Limbaugh went too far with his "I hope he fails" comment.

So if I disagree that that is 'too far' I am then an unreasonable person.

Because if reasonable people all agree, and I do not agree...

Now you see why people get so ticked off about these kinds of comments about Limbaugh. If he's "ugly", so am I. If you call my views ugly, I say fuck you. But I'm unreasonable.

So it's not just Limbaugh but ME who needs to STFU and get lost, eh?

Well... No. I'd rather fight and take the whole thing down with me and then move to Japan and buy a sexbot.

Without those like me, you've got squat anyway. We are the ones you lost over the last 4 years, because we're sick of weak-kneed bullshit like this.

Current GOP leaders make John Edwards look butch. Hoist the Jolly Roger.

116 Is it time for the mob to storm the GOP Bastille?

117
Steele is like that pressure from the commish pick the redneck owner selects when the team is down just to get even. He knows the dude is going to be three and out and uses this downcycle on the team to placate the commish.

Excuse me, what the fuck are you blabbing about?

118 Please. Does anyone have any fantasies of Michael Steele calling out D.L. Hughley for his comments about the CPAC looking like a Nazi Rally? Or criticizing Obama?

Oh please. Let's get real. Some loyalties always trump others. Just look at Colin Powell.

We may not like this. We may wish it was not so. But the world and it's people are what they are. Fantasies are for TV and movies. Not politics.

119 Moderate republicans need to shut the f up and just leave their wallets open so Rush can lead another Revolution.

120

You lost INDIANA for god's sake. Never in my life... That's as RED as it gets.

You fucked up because McCain wasn't conservative ENOUGH. Indiana went for Obama because people stayed home. And a lot of other states too.

121 @85-

Hear, hear.  That Ace rarely if ever bans anyone that disagrees, that he allows reasoned discourse to take place, and most all here make a case for their informed opinions is why AofSHq should have beaten Small Dead Animals for blog of the year.   (Who are those folks?) 

By the way, can you ban that f-ing jerkoff Icus? He must be posting from prison somewhere, serving a life sentence for child rape.  If he posts one more comment about taking pictures of little boys, I'm gonna....I'm gonnna....go find him and mete out vigilante justice.

122 Oh for chrissakes, it was one freaking interview! A view into the heart? WTF? You really think Mike Steele believes Republicans are Nazis? This guy has had Oreos thrown at him and called shit that you could not possibly withstand, because he is a Republican.

Grow the hell up, people.

Posted by: rockmom at March 02, 2009 08:34 PM (xOEA9)

No.  We think he's a spineless bitch who let a vile characterization of his party go UNCHALLENGED.  That's not leadership.  Ergo, he is not qualified to LEAD this party, for that and for his failure to rejuvenate and sell the conservative brand. 

I guess what I'm trying to say is "Fuck Michael Steele."

 

123 But saying "I WANT Obama to fail" has nasty, toxic associations freighted within its words that do nothing to clarify the conservative argument and do a whole lot to prevent it from reaching open ears.

And Steele saying that Rush is incendiary and ugly is an utterly fantastic choice of words?  If Steele calmly stated that Rush is not a part of the RNC and that he does not run the Republican party and that his rhetoric is his own, that would be one thing.  But Steele, of his own free will, decided to take the next steps.  And he is now reaping the whirlwind that he elected to bring down. 

There is distancing yourself and there is being gratuitously insulting to the base.  Steele was the second.  The consequences will thus ensue. 

124 Rockmom,

Steele IS THE HEAD OF THE REPUBLICAN PARTY, who will defend it if he is unwilling?

Do you not get that. He is supposed to be partisan. It's his job to be the face of REPUBLICANS. If he is incapable of articulating and defending conservatives because he is a dunce or has no principles he needs to go,

Get it? It shouldn't be that hard to understand.

125

The only conclusion I can see is that Steele is a fuckin douchebag who kisses DL Hugely's ass.

That's pathetic.

126 I wanted Hitler to fail...but I couldn't just say it out loud! You are so right, JeffB! In an authoritarian regime having a pair could be a real problem. Why, look at Sarah, Joe, Ann Coulter, Rush...Look at how scumbag traitors to America view those people. We don't want to be perceived as anything but nice and compliant collaborators who are going to roll over.

127

Rockmom - I think it's quite simple - we would like someone to appear on television, to speak for us, who doesn’t prove a fuckin' embarrassment!

McCain? A stumbling contradiction with no sense of who he is after 70 years on the planet!

Jindal? A fuckin' tool in the rebuttal that no one would say “yeah, that’s my dad”.

Palin? Easily reduced to a caricature and not quick enough on her feet to adequately fight back.

Steele? Passive and accepting of a liberal comic host's premises.

Bush? Worst. Speaker. Ever. Who has opened the door for anything Obama would like to do.

I’m exhausted with holding and attempting to propagate our common sense maxims when the people we elect and follow prove such public chumps.  

Rush, who I don’t listen to, gave an hour and a half speech OFF THE CUFF!! And actually called out Obama for being incapable of matching him!

Thank freakin’ GOD!

128 @ 85 " I admire your position even if I differ with it."


I don't. I think it's stupid. But that should be ok too.

129 I wanted Hitler to fail...but I couldn't just say it out loud! You are so right, JeffB! In an authoritarian regime having a pair could be a real problem. Why, look at Sarah, Joe, Ann Coulter, Rush...Look at how scumbag traitors to America view those people. We don't want to be perceived as anything but nice and compliant collaborators who are going to roll over.

Ye gods.

130

It strikes a lot of people as being akin to those asshole liberal douchebags who practically seemed to be rooting for America to lose the Iraq War...remember how they came off?

They won.

131 92 Is it too late to recall Steele? He's just not working out.
Posted by: Nice Deb at March 02, 2009 08:30 PM (MHx40)


How can you not be willing to give Steele a chance?

132 Besides, it's my impression that moderates will respond to principled partisanship, just so long as you sell it with conviction and explain it with logical arguments.

A-fucking-men. 

Principles of pandering works for us every time.  Pandering over principles leads to years like 2006 and 2008.

133 I refuse to believe that there is a single voter out there- red or blue- who would think 'OMG, Rush wants America to fail!'.

134 This guy has had Oreos thrown at him and called shit that you could not possibly withstand, because he is a Republican.

Grow the hell up, people.

Okay rockmom, you want to go down this road?  Fine.  I've had blood, actual human blood, thrown on me because I'm a war supporting Republican.  I've been told that I literally do not exist because there's no such thing as a queer Republican.  I've been told, point blank, that I'm a fucking racist because of that (R) after my name.  I had something throw a fucking drink in my face in the middle of a date because I'm on the Right.  I've been told that family members deserve to die because they're Evangelical Christians.  So, yeah, I do think that I can fucking withstand it.

It is well within the rights of Republicans to expect that the head of the RNC takes offense to the comparison with the Nazis.  Grow up?  That's what I would love, that those who claim to lead the party grow up and fucking LEAD.

135

@128

Hey Mare...

Fuck You!!! Duh!!

You're stupid...you freakin'..."sea"...(in Italian)...

asshole...

j/k mare - and hence, proof of the beauty of AoSHQ!

*kisses*

 

 

 

136

@130

That's what I call stomping down hard with the Jackboot of Truth.

137

Do you not get that. He is supposed to be partisan. It's his job to be the face of REPUBLICANS.

Fascists aren't allowed to be partisan.

That's for democrats only.

Consequently, you know that radical left moonbat DKOS crowd? How's that working for them?

Peachy man. I envy them. They've taken over the whole party and won a clean sweep of two branches.

138 "treating Rush as a clown"  I listen to Rush if I happen to be in the car.  He's enormously talented, and I share his politics.  But he IS a clown, an entertainer.  His mock pomposity is a big red rubber nose. 

139

"his mock pomposity is a big red rubber nose"

So's my alcoholism.

140 It is continuing source of frustration that party leaders ... like McCain and Steele ... seem to implicitly concede to the liberals that conservatives really are bigots,  our ideas about limited government are unrealistic, and our support for traditional values is downright embarrassing.

141 If Michael Steele had alexthechick's balls, we wouldn't be having this discussion.

142 I am not offended. Call me what you like. Just don't try to tell me to give Steele a chance...kind of like closing our eyes real tight to what McCain really was. Why pretend? Let's get rid of this clown early and cut our loses.

He doesn't defend us from being called Nazis, well, it's time for him to go, now!

143 Damnit, can't we get baldilocks an American-made heater?

All donations are appreciated. :-)

American heat is becoming scarce. Saw this message today at Cheaper Than Dirt: “Possible drastic limitations on your Second Amendment rights have caused political speculation and market uncertainty. We have sold out everything that might be banned or taxed and we are scrambling to find more ammunition, magazines and gun gear.

Supplies and prices change constantly as we struggle to find whatever we can while it is still legal and available. We appreciate your patience during this time of uncertainty in the Firearms Industry."

How about that?

People are realizing that some folks just want to "dialogue" long enough to get you in chains. Our liberty is at stake. And pundits like Hughley are planting the idea that Conservatives are the ones who want to take away liberty. Oh he isn't smart enough to realize that he's planting the idea--the idea has been planted in him. He's just the conduit.

Never forget who they are.

144

If Michael Steele had alexthechick's balls, we wouldn't be having this discussion.

no...we'd be screwing him/her/whateveritis

145 By the way, thanks for the kind words JDW -

Look, here's the thing.  I'm in agreement with 99.9% of the other AoS morons on substance.  (Well, I think Sarah Palin's national career is rightfully over, so I guess I differ with most there.)  If we had a guy like Steele who was selling out conservative economic and cultural values all for the sake of "accommodation" with Obama Nation, I'd be the first one to stand on the ramparts and shout for his head. 

Where I differ with a lot of you is on SALESMANSHIP.  I'm basically in the same group as Ace and Allah on this one: you can sell conservative principles to America by adopting the right tone, without sacrificing integrity...and there's nothing demeaning or shameful about this.  It's what Reagan did, for god's sakes.

146 119 Moderate republicans need to shut the f up and just leave their wallets open so Rush can lead another Revolution.

This is the kind of crud I hear a lot, but makes no sense. The GOP still needs that "big tent". McCain had it covered, if it weren't for the ultracons who trashed him out of the Oval Office.

We don't need purging of RINOs, or anything else divisive. The GOP needs a cohesive platform we can all agree to. Inclusion should be our motto. Or we Republicans arent going to win again any time soon.

147
I think we gave Steele a chance...and he failed.

Next, please.

148 #13

heh.

149

And hell, the kool-aid brigade did that and they were batshit looney.

Imagine what they could have accomplished if they were remotely sane.

I guess it's amazing what can happen when you don't go the French route and surrended every fight as soon as it's declared.

There is NO individual hill I'm willing to die for. No hill is better then another hill. A hill of dirt is a hill of dirt.

But if you retreat of all of them, you wind up in the sea.

 

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151 Maybe being black trumps everything else?

152 Steele is weak and lame. Even his apology doesn't comport with the comments he made, and in the manner in which he made them.

And, no, we don't need to accommodate moderates. We do need to stick to our principles, as espoused by Rush.

As for Steele, flush this turd already.

153

Russ is Right!

Can't believe no one jumped on that line yet.

Kemp

154

Hey... my hash changed.

cok/k?

What say you ladies? Eh?

155
The GOP still needs that "big tent". McCain had it covered...

hahahahahaha, indeed he did.

^{If by covered you mean on fire, then yes he did.}

156 This guy has had Oreos thrown at him and called shit that you could not possibly withstand, because he is a Republican.

Oh really?

So I guess we should let Steele hand his duties in any manner as he sees fit, eh? Because of the oreos!

157 FLUSH THIS TURD!!

158
147
I think we gave Steele a chance...and he failed.

Next, please.

What, a few weeks is a "chance"? Who else do we have...oh, wait, no....NO I swear if Rush ever became GOP chair....*faints*

159

Jeff B?  The B stands for blowjob.

Andros probably wants in on that B action, too.

Look, you guys and McCain and Steele and David Frum and Kathleen Parker and David Brooks and Peggy Noonan and all the other pussy Republicans knock yourselves out trying to be all moderate and sensible and reaching out and desperately, desperately hoping that those who despise Republicans might like you, really like you, if you just play nice and act more like them.

Best of luck with that.  God knows it worked out great when we nominated John McCain.

Rush is worth more than all of you put together.

Go on, run to the sainted moderate middle.  Leave all us unenlightened, Neanderthal conservatives behind.  And see how far you get.

We may end up as losers, but at least we won't be ass-kissing losers.

160
Look, it's done. It's over. Once I break that 4th wall and call a Republican a 'cocksucker,' it's over. There's no coming back from this. Steele is done.

161 We at La Raza *heart* Jet Boy! Our generous benefactor Soros agrees!

162

We don't need purging of RINOs, or anything else divisive.

Exactly. Rush and Coulter and their fans need to GTFO.

The GOP needs a cohesive platform we can all agree to. Inclusion should be our motto.

Exactly. We will not tolerate intolerance! Exclude the excluders!

163 Now we're being told that accepting Nazi comparisons is smart salesmanship.

This keeps getting better and better.

164 Lace wigs!   Lace wigs!  I'm sorry but that just cracks me up.

We don't need purging of RINOs, or anything else divisive.

I think this is where the argument is coming from, I find being called ugly to be divisive.  I do not think that getting truly pissed off in reaction should be called so.   

165 We don't need a "big tent."

We need a big flusher.

FLUSH THIS TURD!!

166 Steele is no more a republican than McCain was. I hate to break it to you, but he isn't trying to "change the image" of the Republican party, he is trying to change the Republican party to the democrat lite party. It wasn't "one bad interview", it's was a preview of his thought processes and ideologies. The "bad interview" wasn't bad because of getting a fact wrong or a slipping of the tongue, it was bad because he showed where he stood on things like conservatism or republicans in general. Steele needs to go now, and be replaced with someone who at least has "some" principles, preferably conservative. Steele has no principles, conservative or otherwise.

167 "This guy has had Oreos thrown at him and called shit that you could not possibly withstand, because he is a Republican."

Tough crap. There were a lot of people who wanted the job. If he's not tough enough to take criticism for being pushed around by two stupid douchebags he should give the job to someone else. Wonder what he's getting paid?

168

thanks Russ

that's what i was trying to say, lol

169 118 Please. Does anyone have any fantasies of Michael Steele calling out D.L. Hughley for his comments about the CPAC looking like a Nazi Rally? Or criticizing Obama?

Oh please. Let's get real. Some loyalties always trump others. Just look at Colin Powell.

Posted by: whiskey at March 02, 2009 08:41 PM (t3UKO) Because all blacks are the same. Right whiskey?

1911: When people want to buy me guns I'm thinking God must love me.

170
Inclusion should be our motto.

Give us some examples of this inclusion you speak of, Jetboy.

171 Jeff B, the sniveling little piehole that he is, wants to play the PR game.  Smile, play nice, don't be a big meanie to the nice little liberals, yada yada yada. 

Oh, and stand up for our conservative principles. 

Cognitive dissonance anyone?

172 Saying that "Stating your true beliefs and principles" is "toxic rhetoric" is twisted.  This type of thinking is exactly what got the GOP where it is right now.  Jeff B., I bet there are openings at Steele's GOP, "Handlers Dept." - if you're interested.

173

The GOP still needs that "big tent". McCain had it covered...

hahahahahaha, indeed he did.

^{If by covered you mean on fire, then yes he did.}
 I don't know if 'on fire' is the word I'd use. More like 'on a medical ventilator'.

174

162...I don't believe anyone needs to be kicked out of the GOP. Have you read the latest polls? Republicans are losing registerd voters. Like crazy.

We'll never see another victory if this divisive talk between moderates and ultracons continues, and if the Evangelicals start creating their own schism.

I swear, we are in deep trouble. And we better fix it....fast.

175 Right on, Entropy! Let's see how the Republicrat Party does without those stupid, principled, purist *conservatives*!

176

He lost fucking Indiana!

There hasn't been a nominee that pathetic since Mondale.

177 " Now we're being told that accepting Nazi comparisons is smart salesmanship."

HAHAHA

"If by covered you mean on fire, then yes he did."

HAHAHA


Ah, humor the best tonic.

178 rp from other thread #2
===================================

Coming here from the other thread, I want to ask some questions:

Can we all at least agree that wanting the President (and his most active supporters) to fail means exactly one thing and one thing only?  It means we want him to fail to implement policies that will destroy this nation.

Can we further agree that because of that fact, the most direct way to declare it is to say: "I hope he fails."?

Can we also agree that those who chose to equate "I hope he fails" to mean "I hope this country fails, and undergoes something worse than the Great Depression" are making that equivalence on purpose? At this point, anyone debating this issue knows that Rush and others have spent hours--and thousands of words--to qualify and explain the simple, direct, statement, "I hope he fails," so that only the most determinedly stupid could possibly construe it otherwise?

If any of you cannot agree to these positions, explain why.  Tell us why, in the face of clear evidence to the contrary, you continue to maintain that a man does not mean what he says, especially after he has gone to great lengths to explain it.

Sure, actions speak louder.  In what way has Rush or any who support his position acted in such a way that indicates they want economic collapse?  Until you can make the case they are lying, you must accept they mean what they say.  This is not only basic courtesy, it is vital in any discourse.

179 Just ask baldilocks...she knows me. ;-)

180

Jeff B.

hang in there. right now it is simply too soon. Not that I agree in full with your premise as I think right now republicans simply need the stones to say this is who we are and we won't be defined the way you demand. But people, myself included right now, are pissed; first that Obama won, second, that his voters are such blind fuckin' morons, and third, that our stock market portfolios are plummeting and the asshole in chief seems to welcome it as a good thing. We need to catch our breath. It's early. And Steele? Dude fucked up.

As Shakespeare said in his woefully underappreciated "Corilanus":

"The one side must have bale."

181 Jesus jet boy, are you for real ?
This is almost identical to that lovely McCain appearance on the view. When Whoopi asked McCain if she had to worry about being a slave if he was elected . Instead of tearing her a new asshole , he said , that's a good question.
When some airhead on the left gives us an opening like that we should knock their dick in the dirt , not pretend that we're having a constructive dialog.

182 Dear Mr. Steele,

I'll just be keeping my NAZI money in my NAZI wallet, thank you.
 
-Former Republican

183

...Coriolanus!

WOW

184 Let's say we agree with some of these premises (I don't) and give Steele a +1 for distancing the GOP from Rush.  Guess what, we're still subtracting 10,000 or so for not jumping down the throat of someone who makes a Nazi slur on national television.

You could win on the Rush point a thousand times and Steele is still a guy who is unwilling to defend himself and the rest of us from the worst possible accusation.

185

It strikes a lot of people as being akin to those asshole liberal douchebags who practically seemed to be rooting for America to lose the Iraq War...remember how they came off?  Like unpatriotic selfish fucks who were happy to see a nation burn and America humiliated merely to vindicate their own personal positions, and to knock Bush in the dirt. 

I'm going to presume, for the sake of this post, that you're being as good as your word and have been commenting here since 2003.  Quite simply put, your position here is a proven loser.

How do I know this?  Look who is in the White House.  Look who controls Congress.  Most importantly, look who the head of the DNC is right now--Howard Dean.  The same Howard Dean that said "I hate Republicans and everything they stand for", the same Howard Dean who's Presidential campaign ended in a scream.  The rise of Howard Dean coincides with the recent rise of the Democrats, and that is no accident.

Dean realized that winning isn't about civilly discussing your position and letting "the people" decide who is right.  It's about outlining your position while treating your opponents with absolute hatred and contempt, as if everything they uttered and everything they believed is trash.  It's about not conceding anything in an argument, not even when the facts so blatantly contradict your position--you just pretend they don't matter or brand your opponent as a "hater" and move on to the next talking point.  It's about automatically presuming an insincerity on the part of your opponent and therefore treating everything they say as suspect.  Like it or not, THIS is the current political reality--conservatives will NEVER win over people by offering them more free shit than the Democrats, because that is impossible.  If the Republicans put a figurehead that can use the same speaking techniques as Obama, that's great.  But even His Holiness practiced the Dean technique during the election--flipping off Hillary and McCain, the "lipstick on a pig" comment about Palin, the mocking of Joe the Plumber at a campaign rally, despite the fact Joe was in his own fucking front yard when Obama came up to him and never asked to be approached.

Your appeal for reasoned discussion would have been fine and appropriate 20 years ago.  This is a different political climate, one obsessed with "lulz" and gotchas meant to embarrass, and rather than try to rise above it and be the "better man", Republicans are going to have to swim in the sewer with everyone else, or they are just going to drown in the end.

186

I think this is where the argument is coming from, I find being called ugly to be divisive.  I do not think that getting truly pissed off in reaction should be called so.   

Exactly. Getting pissed off is a rational response to being told your views are 'ugly'.

It's not about Rush himself - he can take care of himself. But implicit in it is everyone who agrees with him is also ugly.

And that's half the people he needs to win. Those of you who want to WIN, stop calling the people you need ugly. Maybe you won't lose fuckin Indiana.

187 Yes, aubrey, I'm very serious....

John McCain was trashed by the ultracon faction of the party. It was all "Palin worship". McCain didn't have a chance.

Mac was NOT the amnesty nut peole made him to be. He was by far the most conservative choice...MY brand of conservatism.

188
Laura Ingraham was yelling today on her show. Very hot.

189 JeffB,
As long as you allow the notion that America's success is dependent upon Obama's success to stand the GOP is dead in the water. The sooner we can separate his political fortunes from the country's fortunes in voter's minds the better off we are. We aren't going to do that by agreeing that Obama equals America.

190

Che's Hair

I use Che Guevara's Bullet Hole at Huffpo. But your name and bitter post happily stagger me.

191
So who do you like for 2012, JetBoy?

192

How can you not be willing to give Steele a chance?

 

uhh,....... we did.

Fumble with no recovery early in the game.

193

When Whoopi asked McCain if she had to worry about being a slave if he was elected . Instead of tearing her a new asshole , he said , that's a good question.

Seriously?

....

...

Really? Got a clip?

Holy shit, I didn't know that. That's a good one.. even for McCain.

194

Look, you guys and McCain and Steele and David Frum and Kathleen Parker and David Brooks and Peggy Noonan and all the other pussy Republicans knock yourselves out trying to be all moderate and sensible and reaching out and desperately, desperately hoping that those who despise Republicans might like you, really like you, if you just play nice and act more like them.

First of all, don't compare me with jackasses like Parker and Brooks and Noonan.  Frum's kinda okay, but still not exactly my ideal conservative. Second, this isn't about being either moderate OR trying to reach out to the hardcore leftist types that will always hate us.  It's about trying to woo the middle (and maybe even the left-center wobblers), about doing our best to deny the media ammunition to attack us with, and about maintaining our core beliefs (and not selling out to Specteresque RINO-ism) while doing so. 

I WILL REPEAT IT AGAIN JUST SO WE'RE VERY CLEAR ON THIS: it's not about "playing nice" for the sake of making friends with the left-wing media or committed Democrats, it's about avoiding truly unpleasant sounding public statements that brand us poorly with a wide swath of moderate and otherwise eminently reachable VOTERS.  It's about winning with the principles we believe in, and it can be done without behaving like stubborn asses.

Go on, run to the sainted moderate middle.  Leave all us unenlightened, Neanderthal conservatives behind.  And see how far you get.

Again, I don't care to run to the "sainted moderate middle."  Most of the time that's just code for "big government squish spending." 

We may end up as losers, but at least we won't be ass-kissing losers.

But you know what? At the end of the day, we're still losers.  And losers are fucking pathetic.  Another point that seems obvious but still needs to be emphasized: there is nothing noble in losing.  Nothing at all.  It just means you're a failure.  A principled loser is all the most pathetic when it's obvious that the only reason he/we lost is because we just didn't fucking try to pitch ourselves to the people whose votes we needed.

195

After all, all the principles in the world don't add up to a cup of warm piss if you don't win enough seats to have a say in the legislation.

On the other hand, as we recently learned during the last administration, winning enough seats to have a say in the legislation don't add up to a cup of warm piss if you don't have any principles.

196 "On the other hand, as we recently learned during the last administration, winning enough seats to have a say in the legislation don't add up to a cup of warm piss if you don't have any principles."


Yes, yes yes yes yes yes!

Did I forget to mention YES!

197

Americans hate it when people actively embrace a position of wishing for failure and more misery, regardless of the seemingly principled reasons behind such incendiary statements. This is because Americans don't like assholes.

If this is true, JeffB, please explain the 2006 and 2008 elections.

Remember how the candidates with positive, America-first messages won ?  

Remember how the candidate who called Americans "bitter gun-clingers" whose pastor said "God Damn America" was beaten by the "happy warrior" who reminded all Americans they were "my friends ?" 

Ah, those were the days.

In fact, "Wishing The Best For All Americans, Republicans or Democrats" is what Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, Tom Daschle, John Kerry,  Maxine Waters, Ted Kennedy, Robert Byrd, Jay Rockafeller, Barney Frank, Chuck Schumer, Charlie Rangel et al have always stood for.  Hell, Howard Dean practically made it the motto of the Democratic Party. 

Take a look at the names I've listed here - most of whom have been in office for decades - and tell me that Americans don't like assholes.

198
Probably the only way this story can end is that, someday, the electorate will wake up and say, "You know, it's better when elected officials stick to their principles and don't merely check which way the political wind is blowing to try to get my vote."

Unfortunately, the types of scenarios that would precipitate this conclusion are not pretty (attacks, global meltdowns, etc.).  But that's probably what it's gonna take.

All these "inclusive big tent" types who think they have the winning GOP formula right now will then disappear.

199
191
So who do you like for 2012, JetBoy?

Too early to tell. A lot can happen until then.

I like Charlie Crist (yeah, I know, I know) but the man knows what he's doing. I like Jidal, he just needs more on-the-job gov. experience. I don't like Romney. Or Huckabee.

Who knows...let's see what the next 4 years brings.

200 If by "having a say" you mean protesting but caving, I'll take the cup of warm piss, thank you.

201 "John McCain was trashed by the ultracon faction of the party. It was all "Palin worship". McCain didn't have a chance.

Mac was NOT the amnesty nut peole made him to be. He was by far the most conservative choice...MY brand of conservatism."

Just 7 words...what the hell are you talking about?

202 Republicans have had only a few bright spots recently. One was when our legislators stood almost unanimously against Stinkulus. The other was Rush's full-throated, unapologetic exposition of conservatism.

For Steele to call it "incendiary and ugly" is outrageous. It tells me he doesn't have a solid core and is influenced by the last person he talks to.

Wanting Obama's socialism, appeasement and extremist plans to fail is not "incendiary and ugly". Wanting America to lose a war and celebrating a Bush assassination in film, song and novels--THAT'S "incendiary and ugly".

I had high hopes for Steele. Meh.

203 No, really, Russ is right...

204 And Blazer, if you don't like Steele, who else IS there? "whites only" dude?

205

If I were to say HUGELY BUGLEY would that be racist?

206 Yes, yes yes yes yes yes!

Did I forget to mention YES!

I'll have what she's having.

207 Really, we did make a difference! I agree with Arlen.

208

206 - very funny

 

209 Charlie Crist....are you insane? That's ridiculous. He's worse than McCain. I will actively fight that possibility. That can't happen. If it does, it's over. It will worse than 2008. And how does Criste show that he know more than Jindal? HUH?

210 Entropy,,,I'm the worlds worst tard with the internets , so, no clip from me.
My memory is all too fallible but I could have sworn I saw the aforementioned clip right here on Ace's.
If my recollection is faulty I will happily withdraw and apologize.
Perhaps another moron can help me out .

211 We do not want to sink to the same level as the Democratic Party, and we should overlook spurious insults like being called Nazis, for the sake of engendering good will and bi-partisanship.

212 So what if the party chairman is white? We shouldn't choose on skin color. How about choosing on ideology and balls. They've got to have balls (even if it's a woman).

213
The following people are more qualified to chair the RNC than Michael Steele:

Rick Santorum
Ken Blackwell *my original choice for the job*
JD f'n Hayworth
Tom Delay
JC Watts
John Sununu
Karl Rove
and many many more

214 First off, if McCain would have chosen Crist instead of Palin, he'd be in the White House now.

Republicans just couldn't get behind McCain, even when the conservative "messia-ette" Palin was the pick. Everyone went Sarah-crazy, and McCain was tossed aside. Can't win that way.

Even Reagan granted blanket amnesty to millions. McCain's plan didn't even come close to his! McCain knows how to be bipartisan...nows how to work across the aisle for our benefit. Now, the Dems want nothing to do with Republicans.

215 And here's the McCain "slavery" clip.

Honestly, I'm not sure what's worse, his response or the fact that Whoopi legitimately seems not to comprehend that whole Civil War, Constitutional Amendment thing.

216 The truth is Steele came across like a caponized cockmaster in that dog shit interview. Who we need is fucking General Maximus Decimus Meridius to lead the GOP or it's simply a dead politcal party.

217 Really Crist is a great idea!

218 For the record I have no idea who looks good in 2012.  I've come to appreciate Romney's virtues a lot more than I did during the primary season, and I don't think that one goofy speech is enough to sink Jindal (I hope he has a good answer for that exorcism story though...that's the stuff that political character assassinations are made of), so I'd go with those two so far.  No Palin, no how, no way, not unless she returns to the national stage far better intellectually prepared than she was in 2008...and even then, I doubt she'll be able to shake the image she was tagged with by the media.  Unfair?  Quite possibly so.  But that's life, and I want to win.

219 JeffB @194, if these moderate voters are so "eminently reachable", what exactly did McCain do wrong to not get their votes? Don't tell me you are one of those who believe that Palin lost the election for him? On second thought, I think I already know the answer to this...

220 I could get behind Crist myself.

221 What pisses me off is that he didn't go full on hissy fit in an attempt to defend HIS OWN PEOPLE from a goddamn low-blow Nazi comparison.

There's the rub: In this situation, who did Steele consider to be "his own people"?

222
Even Reagan granted blanket amnesty to millions. McCain's plan didn't even come close to his!

You're right. McCain's shamnesty is far far bigger -- it extends to 30 million illegals.

223 Jeff B, I totally agree. No Palin 2012 as it stands now.

Whomever it's going to be, we really have to wait and see. Who knows which way the economy will go...well, south of course, or what major world events are just waiting to happen. And not just wars, there could be huge natural disasters coming our way too.

Whoever our next nominee is for the GOP, better have a good understanding of all that.

224

First of all, don't compare me with jackasses like Parker and Brooks and Noonan.  Frum's kinda okay, but still not exactly my ideal conservative. Second, this isn't about being either moderate OR trying to reach out to the hardcore leftist types that will always hate us.  It's about trying to woo the middle (and maybe even the left-center wobblers), about doing our best to deny the media ammunition to attack us with, and about maintaining our core beliefs (and not selling out to Specteresque RINO-ism) while doing so. 

And you're gonna sit here and tell me that a private radio pundit making comments about Obama is more of a problem for us then the head of the RNC calling me ugly and nodding about how I look like a nazi?

Seriously?

The problem here is Rush?

He just called our core beliefs ugly.

Seriously, no cognitive dissonance with this? We have to woo the middle by calling our core beliefs ugly while at the same time maintaining core beliefs?

As for denying the media ammunition...ppppssshhh!

And WTF with McCain dude, what went wrong there? He was Mr. Middle-of-the-Road and he fucking lost Indiana.

Your strategery sucks donkey balls.

225

Why the fuck was he even on with these assholes? Win these douhebags over? Puh-fucking-leeze.

Clinton even dissed sister souljah. Steele is a dumbass. And, no this is not a defense of Rush.

226 We at ACORN and La Raza *heart* JetBoy...George and Arianna say "Hello"!

227 204 And Blazer, if you don't like Steele, who else IS there? "whites only" dude?

Posted by: JetBoy at March 02, 2009 09:20 PM (uwXKL)

Did you not notice that one of the other candidates for RNC chair was black also?

228 Darling, have you even read or know what McCain's "amnesty" plan was about? There was no "blanket amnesty" nor immediate citizenship in there.

229
...that's the stuff that political character assassinations are made of...

Only if you allow it. Only if you allow it.

Makes no difference to me, personally. Does it matter to you? Or are you just concerned how the others are going to take it? You know, like how some had no problem with Romney's mormonism but were concerned with how others might react to it?

230

Jetboy is either a satirical sockpuppet or a moby.

I don't know which...

231 Thank you alexthechick..
Apparently he didn't say good question but he did reply to the effect that he thought she had some kind of valid point . In other words he missed an opportunity to drop the hammer on whoopi's stupid ass fear mongering just as Steele missed an opportunity to spank Hughley for equating white with nazi .

232 Yes, baldi...By "whites only" I was referring to Katon Dawson.

Hi, by the way. I gave up HotAir commenting for Lent. So here I be at Ace's place. Political junkies can't go full cold turkey *sigh*

233 You all do realize that Jetboy and JeffB are liberal trolls right?

234 Good post.

235 McCain knows how to be bipartisan...nows how to work across the aisle for our benefit.

Every time McCain reached across the aisle, conservatives and Republicans got screwed. Gang of Fourteen cost us three dozen constructionist judges... minimum. McCain-Feingold cut off Republican fundraising while letting unions and George Soros open the spigots to Democrats. And Amnesty was a disaster.

236
There was no "blanket amnesty" nor immediate citizenship in there.

Yes, it was a 'path to citizenship' designed by McLame and Kennedy to grant citizenship to 15 million illegals, their babies, their babies' babies, and their cousins and uncles and friends in Mexico.

237 We *heart* the overt racism of JetBoy as it will help us accomplish the awakening of America!

238 #232 explains all

239 Steele could have just said he mispoke. Simple as that.

Steele went over the line with his name calling he could have just said well his job is to lead the candidate recruitment side.

240 Mike Steele = Nelson Rockefeller

241
JeffB is not a troll.

JetBoy is from Hot Air, so he's kinda a troll by default.

242 I can assure you...I, JetBoy, am not troll. Again, if you kno baldilocks, ask her about me from HA.

243

Charlie Crist....are you insane?

No. He just wants to see how far this can go.

Like, Indiana, OK. But can he turn Texas blue? Utah? Alaska?

At what point does Lawrence Fishburne pull a plug out of our ass and send us sliding naked down a pile of goo back out of Wonderland?

244 Good on JetBoy! It is time for America to own up to centuries of racism and imperialist criminality. Repent America, and turn over to us what was stolen. Viva, McCain!

245

"John McCain was trashed by the ultracon faction of the party. It was all "Palin worship". McCain didn't have a chance.

Are you out of your fucking mind?  Without Palin energizing the CONSERVATIVE base, McCain couldn't have pulled 42%.  You should be licking the spike heel of her shiny black thigh-high boot that she kept it from being an even bigger rout than it was.

Additionally, I propose expelling baseball fans from the party.

246 38 Oh, what would this Rush issue be without "eewww, ick" commentary by "Winning through Weenie-ism" flack David Frum

http://tinyurl.com/aneu5g

247 Great post, Russ!  This will help in trying to forget that Ace and DrewM (in the comments) were trying to defend Michael Steeles epic FAIL.

248
JeffB is a cross between Glum from Gulliver's Travels on the Banana Splits ("We'll never make it.") and comedian Richard Lewis.

^{*yeah, i know, Richard Lewis is not funny.}

249 #99 I picked up the new XDM .40 Today. I'm in love. Fuck Steele and his "hip hop outreach-around".

250 Specter/Snowe 2012!!!!!

251 Good job, JetBoy...You go girl!

252 If only JeffB were a troll. Unfortunately he's not and his viewpoints are reflective of a small but very influential sub-set of conservative thinkers. On this particular issue I don't see one iota of difference between JeffB's position and that of Ace himself. So I'm trying to wrap my mind around their arguments. But I just don't see how we win elections by playing the PR game better than the other side. This is important. Better to fight out these battles now than 2011 and end up with another loser candidate.

253

OK, Russ, I'll bite:  exactly WHAT "more strident remarks" should Steele distance himself from?

 

 

254 244 Good on JetBoy! It is time for America to own up to centuries of racism and imperialist criminality. Repent America, and turn over to us what was stolen. Viva, McCain!

*sigh* Yeah, you know your McCain alright...Classic McCain-derangement.

But hey, y'all gave us President Obama. Enjoy!

Jet, out (for the night)

255 Oops.  Steele's.

256

Boy you have to love snow days.  The morons drink valu rite all day, we get 30 posts in 3 hours and 100's of comments on each.

Shit, Ace, maybe that why the bitch in Canada beat you in the poll, she got more snow days?

Just saying, the morons are on fire and it's not even closing time.

Good work gang!

Kemp

257 How delusional does one need to be to imagine Palin lost the election for McLame???I mean really??????

258 You really think Mike Steele believes Republicans are Nazis?

Anyone gonna say yes?

I say yes. Republican voters, yes. There's evidence that he believes it, and there's none to the contrary.

Yes.

259

Additionally, I propose expelling baseball fans from the party.

You know... _{I don't really have a problem with that}.

So long as we replace them with hot asian chicks.

260 I thought that Candidate Maverick taught us all that attacking conservatives is a loser strategy, but apparently we need to have another vicious beating administered to our party before the lesson sinks in with the Beltway Crowd.

Yeah Maverick, how did that sucking up to the Washington Post/NBC/New York Times crowd get you when the rubber hit the road 'McCain voted with Bush 95% of the time, yadd yadda'.

261 Who's done more to keep this party afloat, Steele or Limbaugh. Answer: Limbaugh.
Who went, dropped his pants for the media and the Liberals and bent over? Steele.
I will not give the GOP a penny until I see them stop kissing the asses of Democrats.

262
It's the handwringer mentality, Wes.

Some of our northeastern liberal Republicans simply cannot deal with the pressure by the MSM to jettison the likes of Rush and Ann. To them, Ann and Rush are radioactive and should not be touched.

They're constantly worried about how the MSM is going to react to our views and the words spoken by our spokespeople.

Me? I don't give a flying fook what my political enemies think of me, my ideas, and my peeps.

263

#111

"but gee, that one didn't play with the folks in Peoria now did it?"

i know some ppl that live in Peoria, i'm thinking they feel pretty close to how i'm feeling.

264

Also, Kempermanx.

Kick his ass out of the party.

I'm marking you down as "Replacement with skinny asian chick pending".

265

Oh, and Jeff B,

Teh Reagan did NOT subscribe to your bullshit "salesmanship" ideas.

"Republicans believe every day is the Fourth of July, but Democrats believe every day is April 15th."

Translated, that means "Fuck Democrats."

266

You know, with all these Asian chicks I really don't give a shit if we lose anymore.

Hell I kinda like it when they get all weepy and want a shoulder to cry on.

This is gonna be a fuckin good plan!

267 "257 How delusional does one need to be to imagine Palin lost the election for McLame???I mean really??????"


Pretty frickin delusional.

268 Seriously I WOULD rather lose elections than compromise my principles.That makes ME wrong??

269 257 How delusional does one need to be to imagine Palin lost the election for McLame???I mean really??????\
McAmnesty lost the election for McAmnesty. Palin (and I am not a Palinbot)  was needed to shore up the base because the base (rightfully) loathed McAmnesty. She did shore up the base but was uanble to bring in the socalled moderates and independents. I waa a Giuliani supporter and still think he would have made a good president but now I wish that the ticket was Romney/Giuliani.

270 Sorry for the cop out, but frankly I think we need both Rush and Steele....Steele apologized, that's not easy "when you are the head of the Republican Party" like he said he was, so I am willing to let the matter drop...and concentrate on Obama's war on America....

271

Move over Michael Steele. Rush Limbaugh is the clear leader of the Republican Party. He is the undisputed head of the new GOP. Rush Limbaugh for President, Sarah Palin for VP!

272 " Specter/Snowe 2012!!!!!"

LOL

273

And Blazer, if you don't like Steele, who else IS there? "whites only" dude?

 

Oh I see, because he's black he get's a pass just like our CIC. I sincerely hope that was a lameass attempt at snark.

274 This is gonna be a fuckin good plan!

I am interested in your ideas and wish to subscribe to your newsletter.

275 Oh, and let's not forget how that civil rights guy (forget his name and his post) basically called McCain a racist segregationist and how The One refused to call the smearer out during that debate when he asked Obama if he would denounce him.  Oh, and let's not get started about the whole J. Wright issue and the Oh's stupid Philly speech.

So why should Steele be given a pass for smearing Rush when Rush didn't call anyone names during his CPAC speech?

276 Asian chicks,white chicks,black chicks there is room for all under our tent.We have very large tent poles.........

277

Entropy,

I think you are drunk with the power of your new IP hash. 

278 How delusional does one need to be to imagine Palin lost the election for McLame???I mean really??????

Heh. Been over at LGF lately?

For the last couple of months, he's been linking a series of articles that claim that soc-cons cost the GOP the election. I don't know what Charles has been huffing,  but apparently he thinks the path to success for the GOP is to drive out millions of evangelical voters in order stop making East Coast RINOs uncomfortable and to placate chip-on-their-shoulder atheist types.

Yeah, that'll work.

279 268 Seriously I WOULD rather lose elections than compromise my principles.That makes ME wrong??
No but you (and least I do) have to ask oneself "What is in the best interest of my country? Should I not vote for a McAmnesty who I agree with 50 -60% of the time, or should I vote for Obama who I agree with 0.5% of the time. Sitting the election out by conservatives is the equivalent of an Obama vote. As much as I dislike McAmnesty I do not think his Sec. of State would be criticizing Israel for closing the border with Gaza nor do I think the McAmnesty administration would be sending $900 million to Gaza.

I really do not like Juan McAmnesty.

280 Holy shit, check out Entropy's IP hash!

281 I meant 0.05% I agree with Obama.

282 I think I get it .
 Dawson can't associate in private with "whites only" because that is KKK racism but black folks can associate in their private lives in "black only" organizations. Didn't Bobby Rush used to belong to one of those ? Do these standards only apply to country clubs or are things like fraternities and social organisations in that category as well ? Cause , I can name right off the top of my head a number of black only organizations here in South Carolina . Bet Jim Clyburn has belonged to several.
 Then there's that whole congressional white caucus thing , oh sorry , there's no such thing.
I don't know the first thing about Katon Dawson but every time his name comes up I hear white only . It'd be nice if there was a thing called freedom of association that applied to people of every race and religion.
Fuck race. I'm sick to death of endless discussions of race.

283 Oh I voted for McLame,there was no other choice.I don't consider that a compromise just a lose/lose worse choice.

284

Hehehehe.

Cock!

285 When I post from work, I can almost resolve my IP hash into "bukkake"

286

Jeff B and Steele here are your DNC checks.  Now go home.

 

Talk about lame brained half wits.

 

Steele is a bad joke and so are those idiots who would compromise conservative principles of freedom and liberty for another sPECTER COMPROMISE.

They gave us Bush, McCain and Steele.  Time for a why party. 

 

I'm with Rush.   Steele is ugly, angry, and an entertainer.

 

287 "How delusional does one need to be to imagine Palin lost the election for McLame???I mean really??????"

The MSM, digg, and kos said so.  Therefore it is truth.

288 Wow, 274 comments so far, so I bet no one reads this. Oh well, I want to write it anyway.

Steele kills me.  Since his election he has done one thing and one thing only, fire 90% of the staff at the RNC.  A lot of you will say, "Well that's great! We need to get new blood in there so thing's can be done right".  When an army loses a battle do you replace the general or the troops? In this case, both have happened.  And a month later, things at the RNC have been driven to an absolute standstill; no money being raised, no new hires, nothing.  He's even taken a hacksaw to the finance division which raised ALL the money for team McFalin last cycle. I'd wager that the RNC becomes something like the DNC was from 2000-2004, while all the real work is done by the congressional and senatorial committees.

One thing both Rush and Steele need to realize, is that while they are spokesmen for the party (or for conservatism for Rush and the party for Steele), they are also stewards and will only be in the forefront for a time.  It is their duty, then to protect and build up the brand, not to reshape it.  Steele will try this.

289 @278

How true. I'm not sure if the libertarians over there are also really into legalizing marijana, but they seem to smoke a lot of it.

290 "but now I wish that the ticket was Romney/Giuliani."

When I look at NC and Indiana where Obama won, albeit narrowly, I don't think any Republican could have won the election. The chips were all stacked against Republicans, the money, the MSM, the economy, etc. The fact is that even with all that McCain got 46%+ of the vote, probably near the upper limit any Republican would have pulled. Yeah, a few breaks here and there, the crash could have come a month later, the LA Times could have released the tape, Palin could have done better interviews, etc. and McCain could have squeaked through but let's face it, the Obama Kool-aid was consumed by the masses, even in NC and Indiana and Virginia and Florida and Colorado and Nevada.

291 278 How delusional does one need to be to imagine Palin lost the election for McLame???I mean really??????

Heh. Been over at LGF lately?

For the last couple of months, he's been linking a series of articles that claim that soc-cons cost the GOP the election. I don't know what Charles has been huffing,  but apparently he thinks the path to success for the GOP is to drive out millions of evangelical voters in order stop making East Coast RINOs uncomfortable and to placate chip-on-their-shoulder atheist types.

Yeah, that'll work.

Charles has been completely nuts lately and his blog  has really jumped the shark by his obsession over creationism and Intelligent Design. Even the people who post there pretty much ignore that topic on those threads. I still post there on occasion but his sanctimonious shilling and temper tantrums are a total turn off. In the past year he has opened up registration so much and I now realize that it is because so many of his longtime posters are turning off. I just looked at one of his threads (a creationist one naturally) and of 90 some odd posters, I only recognized maybe 2 or 3 names.

292
Romney/Guiliani is intriguing and I wish to subscribe to their newsletter.

293 You know what kills the socalled "moderates".They predicted McLame was the only candidate with a shot to beat Zero.Meanwhile it took the selection of Sarah Palin to give his campaign a pulse.It HAS to be Palin's fault that he lost because otherwise the conservatives were right and they were wrong.

294

Tim cocksuker Kaine called Steele 'courageous' for sitting there like a dunce while getting punked by a ignorant comic and a fucking hip hop rapper.

What the fuck is the head of the RNC doing debasing himself on a mouth-breather retard show like this anyway?  WTF?  Is this how we're going to get back in power -- play in the sandbox with a bunch of racist cretins with a terminal entitlement mentality?

Can a guest appearance as the token milquetoast punching bag RINO on Maher's show be far behind?  Maybe Steele can do a guest spot on iCarly and show how "green" he is by walking around replacing all the lightbulbs with flourescents.

To hell with that identity politics pandering crap.  We've won elections without the welfare parasite and apolitical dipshit vote, and we can win them again.  I'm not interested in "reaching out" to balkanized, sub-American identity groups.  They're something to be fought and marginalized, not accommodated.  Make the case based on the principles and the principles alone and let the chips fall where they may.

Here's what we have to offer: You'll have more freedom.  You'll reap far more rewards from your labors.  And you'll be judged by the content of your character.  But no one owes you anything, and you're responsible for the consequences of your own failures and poor decisions.

Are you on board with that program?  Great.  Come on in.  Otherwise, go fuck yourself, because the program ain't geting tweaked just so you can learn the secret handshake.

295

Frankly, I hate to piss on everyone's parade but can anyone point to any time within all of written history when a government has voluntarily given up power with violent revolt?

Natural order right? Static human nature, a certain way of things?

All governments grow more powerful and tyrannical with time. They only shrink when they're amputated, and it's more common they're just destroyed entirely and replaced with baby sapling governments.

3/4 of which are worse then what came before, at least until you hit some kind of bottom.

I'm not advocating violent revolution.

I don't just expect shit to change without it anymore.

It's all shits and giggles and popcorn man. You're all doomed. Pretty soon you'll be brainwashed and have barcodes stamped into your forheads and you'll like it. The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time.... Stuff Thomas Jefferson Actually Said, Vol 1.

If I'm going out, I'm going on in style. I'm going out my way.

And at least when it's over, I can say I did what I could, and not some wussy ass "I wanted to stop hitler but I just couldn't say that outload because it was too brash and I fainted".

296
Steele will try this.

Okay, we're waiting. Any day now. Go ahead, Mr Steele, do your magic.

297 I can't help but notice that Democrats never feel obligated to distance themselves from anything Keith Olberfrau says.

298 Without. That should be given up power without.

299

Sweet shit in a bucket!

Just couldn't wait to use it.

(Sura 2:29)

300 290

When I look at NC and Indiana where Obama won, albeit narrowly, I don't think any Republican could have won the election. The chips were all stacked against Republicans, the money, the MSM, the economy, etc. The fact is that even with all that McCain got 46%+ of the vote, probably near the upper limit any Republican would have pulled. Yeah, a few breaks here and there, the crash could have come a month later, the LA Times could have released the tape, Palin could have done better interviews, etc. and McCain could have squeaked through but let's face it, the Obama Kool-aid was consumed by the masses, even in NC and Indiana and Virginia and Florida and Colorado and Nevada.
You are probably right but MCain being our nominee was teh equivalent to a batter coming to the plate with the count of 1 ball and 2 strikes on him. McCain was a terrible campaigner (he should have gone after Rev. Wright) but if we were to lose I would rather we had lost giving it our best conservative (economic, some social, and foreign politcy) policies. Instead we got a phony flatulent, conservative who got the nomination because of the GOP primary voter addcition to the medieval law of primogeniture succession to the nomination and who would have been right at home in the Johnson administration. Of course having Jorge Wahabi Bush as an albatross was shitty and the MSM not doing their job in investigating Obama did not help. Let's not factor into the equation white Liberal guilt, and the deck was stacked.

301

Yes, yes yes yes yes yes!

Did I forget to mention YES!

If I had a nickle every time some woman screamed that at me... I'd have a buck thirty-two. 

302 297 Exactly or Garofalo or Rosie or Whoopi or Penn etc etc ad infinitum

303 So let me get this straight.

Articulating that you want the policies of B. Hussein to fail, is some sort of toxic political poison?

What the fuck kinds of illicit mind altering shit have you been feeding your brain?

Think about that statement for a minute. NOT speaking up against the current shitstorm is exactly what ENABLED the current shitstorm.

I'll say it, FUCK OBAMA. He stands diametrically opposed to everything I've ever come to learn and believe about my country.

You're god damned right I want his policies to fail. I want them to fail with fucking bacon wrapped goodness.

You know why? Because his success is UNTHINKABLE.

Fucking moderates. FUCK YOU.

304

@291

 

LGF used to be a hip place to go, kinda like CBGB's back in the day. Now, not so much.

Charles has done a lot of good don't get me wrong, but he's went from being a slightly self important jerk at times, onto full blown sycophantic pompousity and arrogance.

305 Entropy, you're on fire...must be the IP hash.

306

Charles has been completely nuts lately and his blog  has really jumped the shark by his obsession over creationism and Intelligent Design.

That's not really fair to CJ.  A solid 4% of his posts are minimalist photograph-lead open threads.  Only the other 96% are sweaty-toothed unhinged screeds about how 17 guys in Bumblefuck, Kansas who want their local school system of 44 kids to incorporate some kind of ID curriculum are going to bring about the Secular Apocalypse.

Be careful with that broad brush you're using.

307 This topic has hit a nerve, big time. It comes down to whether Steele has the - steel - needed to revive the party. I side with those who think the party needs a leader who can strongly articulate conservative values clearly and persuasively, even when up against the intellectual heavyweights of the left like Chucky D and DL Hughely. Trying to be more like liberals is not a recipe for success.

308 Coninued:
Even had McCain won what sort of presidency could we have realistically hoped for? A guy who despises conservatives and is more interested in the good opinion of the Washington Post/New York Times/CNN crowd (he went on Larry King but skipped O'Reilly who has a far larger audience). A man who loves to 'reach across the aisle' to the likes of Edward M. Kennedy and John F. Kerry. At best he would have been a holding action as the Dems tightened their hold on both Houses. A McCain nominee to the Supreme Court would not have been much of a conservative either.

Having written all that I still would have preferred the cranky old bastard to the Socialist.

309

Charles has been completely nuts lately and his blog  has really jumped the shark

I haven't been to that site in years... maybe the last time was when he was having a little blog fight with a Flemish Belgian political party called Vlams Belang.

He was at the start of it a single issue conservative. Liberal who was Tough on Terror (and Islam).

He's got shit else to sell his audience and that issue is old and tired and wearing out. You can't keep people in a state of panic indefinetly, even if it's justified. Eventually you go numb and get use to it. And then... back to liberalism he'll go.

310 What needs to be said is that Michael Steele seems to have that familiar Republican disease: He's more willing to attack conservatives than he is to go after liberals.


That disease is widespread. I wish you could have made your otherwise good points without doing exactly what you're complaining about with respect to Paul. I don't agree with all his foreign policy ideas, or his domestic ones for that matter, but he's as far from a Nazi as you can get.

Short of membership in the American Nazi Party, no Republican should ever cast Nazi slurs at other Republicans.

You never see the Democrats calling each other communists, and some of them really ARE communists.

311 Scipio we probably(certainly)would have gotten cap and trade,closure of Guantanamo(though we see that is problematical even for Zero)and some other crap.We would however probably not gotten as bad a porkulus not lose missile defense and other important defense proframs.There was a chance he might even make decent judicial picks if only because of some of his advisors and Sarah Palin.

312 Frankly, I hate to piss on everyone's parade but can anyone point to any time within all of written history when a government has voluntarily given up power with violent revolt?

You mean, without violent revolt? I would submit the old Soviet Union as an example. And, it was really quite remarkable, too. The evil empire that terrorized the world for decades simply deflated like a punctured whoopie cushion. Never seen anything like it.

313

It's all shits and giggles and popcorn man. You're all doomed. Pretty soon you'll be brainwashed and have barcodes stamped into your forheads and you'll like it.

Relax, dude. It's only so our president can track your economic progress, so that all the Nazi Rethuglicans can't fudge the numbers when Obama single-handledly causes the economy to recover.

What he's done is create a Biometric Economic Achievement Status Team, or BEAST, that reports directly to him.  By wearing the mark of the BEAST, you will be providing Team Obama with the vital information about how well this stimulus is working.

314 Like has been said elsewhere here by morons other than I, "thank God we dodged that Sarah Palin bullet".

315 You who object to Rush, are you objecting to what he says, or to his style? If it is his style, then shame on you. You are allowing yourselves to be cowed by the media.

316 Entropy, the violence starts with vigilante action against kidnappers the cops can't or won't catch here in our own country, like in Phoenix, and rapidly spreads from there to people breaking our Constitution, with tax-payer money. Traitors purposely using their office to overthrow the country will get what traitors get...eventually, when their puppet-masters are through with them.

317

Real Joe:

 

You're absolutely right but until Steele has the guts to meet with Rev Wright, Helen Thomas and other moderates he thinks he can get to vote Republican I'm sure he won't be able to reshape the party the way he wants.

 

 

He ought to resign now.  Before everyone discovers he's only an entainer.

318 And about Politico's promotion of John Hunstman, he is no different than Spector or Snowe.

319 Even had McCain won what sort of presidency could we have realistically hoped for?

McCain's "stimulus package" would look very much like Obama's, only with a few more tax cuts.

And the congressional Republicans would be in favor of it, instead of opposing it.

So in that respect, I'm glad McCain lost.

320

You never see the Democrats calling each other communists, and some of them really ARE communists.

 

And some were even in the KKK. How many times was that fact ever pointed out by the left?

321 I thought that Candidate Maverick taught us all that attacking conservatives is a loser strategy, but apparently we need to have another vicious beating administered to our party before the lesson sinks in with the Beltway Crowd.

Take it from somebody familiar with GOP politics in the great states of NY and NJ: No amount of beatings will suffice for the lesson to sink in.

People like Steel are not pragmatists, they are ideologues. Their ideology is not conservatism. And they'd sooner lose from now till the end of time than abandon their ideology.

322 OregonMuse suggests it's OK if we become commies for seventy years so long as we eventually come out of it?

323

The evil empire that terrorized the world for decades simply deflated like a punctured whoopie cushion. Never seen anything like it.

'kay.

But it was external foreign pressure.

I mean... you can't count Czechloslovakia for giving up power by surrendering to Hitler without a fight. Sure, places have been conquered without actual fights.

But put the USSR down as history's (so far) 1 lonley maybe...

324
So Cantor is a fuckstick, too?

That's even more disappointing than Steele's fuckstickery because none of us are surprised that Steele turned out to be a lemon.

325 oh gosh so late to the thread.  Baldilocks for for for.... sumpin' serious.  RNC chair?  NRA?

 "Never forget who they are..."

326 311 Steevy
How much of a conservative are we really sure Sarah Palin is? I mean I recall back in 2000 Republicans telling me that although GHW Bush was no real conservative "but his son the governor of Texas certainly is". Well we saw how that went. I also think that McCain would ahve closed Guantanomo down and sent the terrorists to jails in the  USA.

306 VJay and 309 Entropy

Chalres Johnson I suppose is slowly returning to his left wing/liberal roots. He is starting to remind me a bit of Andrew Sullivan with his increasing hysteria and soon I would expect him to rant about 'neocons'. His posters frankly seem to be bored.

327
I am damn tired of Republicans being embarassed or backing down. Either you believe what you believe or you don't. No more McCainian apologists. Its about time somebody enforced some party discipline.

Mr. Steele, just go away

328
okay, retraction: Cantor is not a fuckstick.

Here's Cantor showing he's smart enough to answer a question from a moonbat without selling out a fellow Conservative.

Cantor did the right thing -- he answered the baiting question with a plug for conservatism, not a slam on a Conservative. In other words, he didn't take the easy way out like Steele.

329

How much of a conservative are we really sure Sarah Palin is? I mean I recall back in 2000 Republicans telling me that although GHW Bush was no real conservative "but his son the governor of Texas certainly is". Well we saw how that went.

I think you're right about that.

I was a Palin fan (And oh how I do want to show her or some of her many lovely daughters my new IP hash), but it's trust but verify.

I'm willing to hope and support her tentatively and entertain the posibility that she's legit... but watch that one. She's new and we don't really know.

It's not a hell of a lot of good to fall into the "he talks like me, he must be like me" cultural identity trap.

330 So we get lectured that there is no nobility in losing, and then we are told that McCain is somehow the template for winning?

There doesn't appear to be much room for persuasion here. You either are a principled individual, willing to lead, make the hard arguments, and attempting to win on those principles; or you are a weather vane, content to take the path of least resistance in the hopes of minimizing your losses.

331
I heard that while she was mayor of Wasilly, she burnt Harry Pooter books.

332 OregonMuse suggests it's OK if we become commies for seventy years so long as we eventually come out of it?

Why not? With the Democrats now entrenched in power and the GOP being run by a bunch of douchewhistles and bumblefucks, it's getting increasingly difficult for me to even care any more.

333 Vjay @ 294 and 306

LOL

I always enjoy your comments. No matter how painfully true they are.

334 I still want to know what Rush said that was so incendiary

RUSH: I got a request here from a major American print publication.  "Dear Rush:  For the Obama [Immaculate] Inauguration we are asking a handful of very prominent politicians, statesmen, scholars, businessmen, commentators, and economists to write 400 words on their hope for the Obama presidency.  We would love to include you.  [ ] My hope, and please understand me when I say this.  I disagree fervently with the people on our side of the aisle who have caved and who say, "Well, I hope he succeeds.  We've got to give him a chance."  []  I've been listening to Barack Obama for a year-and-a-half.  I know what his politics are.  I know what his plans are, as he has stated them.  I don't want them to succeed.    If I wanted Obama to succeed, I'd be happy the Republicans have laid down.  And I would be encouraging Republicans to lay down and support him.  Look, what he's talking about is the absorption of as much of the private sector by the US government as possible, from the banking business, to the mortgage industry, the automobile business, to health care.  I do not want the government in charge of all of these things. I don't want this to work.  So I'm thinking of replying to the guy, "Okay, I'll send you a response, but I don't need 400 words, I need four: I hope he fails." [] Everybody thinks it's outrageous to say.  [] Why not?  Why is it any different, what's new, what is unfair about my saying I hope liberalism fails?  Liberalism is our problem.  Liberalism is what's gotten us dangerously close to the precipice here.  Why do I want more of it?  I don't care what the Drive-By story is.  I would be honored if the Drive-By Media headlined me all day long: "Limbaugh: I Hope Obama Fails."  Somebody's gotta say it.

335

Once again, Rush proves his genius and status as a catalyst.  His one simple comment "I hope he fails" has generated countless discussions like these, and enabled true conservatives to identify the RINO enemies within our midst. Anyone who argues Rush was impolitic in his language: this is irrelevant, he is not a politician as Mr. Steele so egerly pointed out.  The genius is that, by forcing RINOs to argue against him from the left, he precipitates and hastens this "re-definition" of the GOP by further re-energizing the base.

336 Yeeesh.

As far as Rush saying I hope BO fails....Next time some libtard brings that up say:



"Hey, the Dow's below 7000. THIS IS OBAMA SUCCEEDING. You want more of that?"



Works like a charm and you'll get to see a fountain of blood shoot out their nose as the libtard's head spins like a rainbird.

337

I mean just because someone seems to be a 'regular person' doesn't mean they are.

But even if they are, just because someone is a regular person doesn't mean they're not an epic fuckstick of political proportions.

It's quite endemic among our political classes, like 95% infection, but I still know plenty of regular shmucks down the street who are also total fucksticks and they'd do no better in office.

Almost no politicians seem to have common sense. But not all the common men have common sense, either.

338 331
I heard that while she was mayor of Wasilly, she burnt Harry Pooter (sic) books.
Posted by: Darling at March 02, 2009 10:35 PM

Yeah and Trig is not really her baby but Bristol's, and that she had an affair with some business partner of her husband Todd and it was mentioned in the divorce papers which were sealed. Andy Sullivan is that you?

339 Simple answer I formulated a few years or so back (get the fucking memo Steele!) - And this is a response not best said in a 'get in their faces' mode, but a kick back in the lazy boy and whisper, aka WF Buckley, or your best of the Brit absolute confidence manner...

Even Stalin did not refer to his relative, marginally, right wing enemy Germany as (National) Socialists (Nazis) in WWII.

Stalin preferred to refer to his primary enemy by the of the lessor enemy, Fascists, so as to not remind the public as to their common ground, Socialism.

SO, how far to the left of Stalin ARE YOU to consider the pejorative "Nazi" to be a fair criticism against those you perceive to be too far to the right?

Mao,  Pol Pot, Mugabe?

340 331
I heard that while she was mayor of Wasilly, she burnt Harry Pooter books.


Where's the problem here?

341 I hate to piss on everyone's parade but can anyone point to any time within all of written history when a government has voluntarily given up power with violent revolt?

The British Empire gave up most of its possessions without a shot. Of course it had been ruined by two world wars first so that may have had something to do with it.

I guess the moral of the story is that any successful revolt will only follow the world war between the United States of Obamica and The Eurasian Hegemony.

342 I know you are being sarcastic, Oregon, but those who know that history shouldn't not care. This all stops tomorrow if people forget to send ANY MONEY on April 15th, or arrange to make payments way down the road. No money and the wheels grind to a halt.

343

The evil empire that terrorized the world for decades simply deflated like a punctured whoopie cushion. Never seen anything like it.

Well, there was the Korean and Veitnam war, the thing with Afghanistan, and a few others I'm sure I'm forgetting.  The reason the Soviets deflated was they couldn't grab what they needed to keep going for fear of reprisals.  And that fear was founded in both previous attempts that were very bloody, and determination on our part to ramp up our military to the point they bankrupted themselves trying to keep up.  Also keep in mind the cost of waiting for the Soviets to burn themselves out.  Just the cost in the lives of their own citizens was staggering.

344 I know this might be an impolitic thing to say but...

What the fuck is the point of having a black chairman of the RNC if he won't stick up for Republicans-and by extension the core of the GOP, conservatives-when the Democrats and the left compare our side to Nazis and racists?

Sorry to put this in such Machiavellian political terms, but part of the reason we elected Steele is because we thought he'd at least soften the blow when some liberal demagogue throws a racial sucker punch directly at our collective genitals.

Back in '96 Vice-Presidential debate, Jack Kemp let Al Gore slur the Republican Party as a pack of bigots. Now we get Michael Steele letting the BET bunch pummel the Right once again. And the GOP leadership wonders why they have trouble connecting with the base.

I know we're not going to win the African-American vote any time soon. But we're never going to even come close when the Party leadership won't even try to change the perception.

345 329 Entropy
You are a smart man (woman). I like Sarah Palin and she seems like an admirable woman but how much do we really know abut her core political beliefs. She seemed conservative compared to that cranky, old, flatulent, treacherous bastard John McCain but that is not setting the bar too high.

You are right - Bristol Palin is a real beauty (in my opinion).
One of the things that worries me (I know it sounds silly) is Sarah and Todd giving their kids such oddball names - Trac, Trig, Bristol, Willow, Piper  - and now a grandson Trip?

346 The government is breaking Constitutional law, and this country came into existence because Godly men decided the tax laws of their country, England, should be upheld, with war if necessary.

347 How much of a conservative are we really sure Sarah Palin is? I mean I recall back in 2000 Republicans telling me that although GHW Bush was no real conservative "but his son the governor of Texas certainly is". Well we saw how that went.

I'm in the same trust-but-verify camp you are. She still has a lot to prove to me.

348 The GOP should want Obama's policies to fail.  You surely want Obama's policies to fail.  I sure as hell want him and them to fail.  BUT YOU CANNOT SAY THAT OUT LOUD.  To say that out loud -- not just in the current crisis, but in any analogous crisis -- is politically suicidal because it is extremely difficult for the average voter to distinguish from wanting AMERICA to fail.

How about "I want Obama to fail so America can succeed"?

349

 His posters frankly seem to be bored.

LFG comments are something I've never read, even when I read the sight. It's like /b/ without the humor (or the projectile vomiting).

Even when I first started reading political blogs, I was reading LFG, checked out the comments and saw 57 retards posting "FIRST!!!" OMG OMG OMG OMG WTFLOL I actually got first!" 3 pages down at comment number 183 and said fuck these dipshits. They're incest tards, I think.

Like 'Hills Have Eyes: The Messageboard'.

350 I hate to piss on everyone's parade but can anyone point to any time within all of written history when a government has voluntarily given up power with violent revolt?

US -
- Still cannot get PR to take independence in the plebiscites. Lately the push has been for Statehood or independence.
- PI - After Spanish-American War US did not want  it, but felt that Spain 'effed it soooo frickin bad something had to be done to bring it some normalization. Timetable was set, Japan invaded (do not forget that Pearl Harbor was a Territory which was bombed with the deaths of Americans in the thousands -PI was a Territory which was occupied with deaths of Americans in the tens/hundreds of thousands). Territory retaken, original time line for independence unbroken. PI Still recognizes their independence from Spain in/about 1900, and celebrates on 7-11 too.
- FSM,
- Palua,
- RMI
- Panama Canal

351

Oh, and keep in mind that Bill "Democratic catechism" Bennett's go-to radio sub is none other than Michael Steele.  Yeah, these are the type of guys to lead conservatism out of the woods -- after they get done pulverizing it into a nebulous, tastleless paste safe for consumption by the mummies in their audience.

I signed a petition the other day that actually used the phrase "enslavement under union control".  That's beautiful.  That's what woks.  It provokes a visceral reaction while painting unions as the freedom-crushing evils that they are.  More, please.

Unions are evil.  Not union workers, you see, but the taskmasters that rob them and keep them from advancing on their own merits.  The only people who benefit from unions are the thieves that run them and the Democrats who enable them.

Simple.  Effective.  Hammer it home over and over and over.  If you can't sway public opinion on something as nakedly hideous and criminal as Big Labor -- especially since almost no one who isn't a government drone works for a union -- then you can't sway the public on anything.

If short-bus buffoons like Dyson can go on national television and compare playing in the NFL to chattel slavery, then I'm pretty sure we can make the same accusation against an institution that forces your membership, your consent to its decisions on your behalf, and the confiscation of the fruits of your labors.

352 349 Entropy
Yeah the "First" posts used to drive me nuts. I am glad that C.J. has finally banned that. The time I spending tonight at AoSPH , I used to spend at LGF. LGF was funny when C.J. used to have The Arafish threads or the idiotarian awards. Of course his work in exposing the Dan Rather Texas Air National Guard forgeries (with the blinking Microsoft Word document transposed) was incredible and for that we all owe him a debt of gratitude and should not be forgotten even as we get sick and tired over his nerw obsession.

353 Steele had a chance to make a "I paid for this microphone!" impression on the American People.

What did he do?

He farted at a funeral and blamed it on Rush.

Asshole.

354 Entropy,

Admit it, you posted First! on LGF only to be third, or167th, or whatever.

In fact, unless you got the ban-stick, you got a few thousand posts there (not that anyone gives a shiite, but LGF is set up as a database, you get 'banned', all your posts go by-by ..... zee-ruhn should hire CJ as his archivist.).

355 Steele needs to be an attack dog towards the Donks and their bullshit economic/social policies and start mobilizing all Sane conservatives within party, like that cockholster Dean...he needs to kick some of those motherfuckers that compare us with Nazi's in the fucking nutsack and getting into their faces for the next 4 fucking years...I'm starting to wonder if Chucky "Fucknut" Schumer's dirty tricks on him didn't fuck with his head...

Finds your balls, Michael...go after the cocksucking socialist donks like your life depended on it....

Russ...dude, your comments are point on...FUCK, YEA!

Rockmom - you're right,  Rahmitupmyass Emmanuel is enemy #1...

356

I'm in the same trust-but-verify camp you are. She still has a lot to prove to me.

Chief on my mind is her stance on illegal immigration.  She had to parrot McCain to some extent while she was campaigning for him, but I'm mightily curious to know what she thinks ought to be done about the problem, now that she doesn't have to stump for him anymore.  I imagine most borderstate conservatives wonder the same thing. 

357 They aren't opponents.  They are enemies.

I cannot wait for the collapse.  My boomstick hungers for the blood of urbans.

358 I believe Sarah Palin is the real deal, on the basis of her interview on energy with Maria Bartiromo and this article from the UK Telegraph.

359 Someone got Karl Rove's phone number...we need his "Magnificent Bastard" genius right now, and for the foreseeable future....

360 I agree with this:

"Now remember, things look bad and it looks like you're not gonna make it, then you gotta get mean. I mean plumb, mad-dog mean. 'Cause if you lose your head and you give up then you neither live nor win. That's just the way it is." - The Outlaw Josey Wales

These words of the Outlaw Josey Wales, given life by Clint Eastwood, should be engraved on a huge sign in the offices of the Republican Party. Or somewhere. Anywhere that there might be a gathering of folks ready to fight for our country.

The American Thinker Blog

361

Posted by: Druid at March 02, 2009 10:38 PM (mdr+B)

I like the cut of your jib.

362
347 I'm in the same trust-but-verify camp you are. She still has a lot to prove to me.

Posted by: flenser at March 02, 2009 10:45 PM

yeah a couple of years ago someone was even trying to sell me on Jeb Bush being the 'true conservative.' Fuck that and fuck the Bush family, I never want them inflcited on the GOP again! The sound of their whiny, tinny voices is enough to be classified as torture.

363 Jeff B:
"Where I differ with a lot of you is on SALESMANSHIP.  I'm basically in the same group as Ace and Allah on this one: you can sell conservative principles to America by adopting the right tone, without sacrificing integrity...and there's nothing demeaning or shameful about this.  It's what Reagan did, for god's sakes."

Evil Empire.  Incendiary.  Ugly.

Somehow I think Reagan would have been closer to Rush than Steele on this one.

364 Bottom lin:

Black people Hate Rush.  That ain't gonna work.  And it's why the media is trying to bill Rush as the 'leader' of the GOP.

365
You know what's weird and sickening and unacceptable?

Talking about the drawbacks of unionism is now a 'third-rail' issue.

Talking about illegal invaders, citizens of other countries, ruining our healthcare system, committing heinous crimes, and stealing American jobs is now a 'third-rail' issue.

Telling people the truth that Social Security cannot be sustained scares old people so it's now a 'third-rail' issue.

Merely raising doubts about global warming is a 'third-rail' issue.

Talking about the farce of gay marriage being perpetrated upon the American people is becoming a 'third-rail' issue.

Republicans are afraid to touch all of these issues because the Democrats *made* them third-rail issues. When are we going to stop allowing the Democrats from making the rules?

366 That one, Nice Deb or "Don't piss down my back and tell me it's raining", which is R.S.McCain's favorite line.

367 Reagan called the USSR an "Evil Empire". The MSM went nuts and called him a world-wrecking cowboy.

Reagan was right.

Steele is a idiot. He has no balls. He is too stupid to see the power of the truth and the telling of the truth.

He is afraid of the Democrats. He is afraid of the MSM.

368 Big picture: conservatives don't believe a fucking word that anyone in the GOP says, and for good reason. Steele's use of the words  "incendiary" and "ugly" to describe Ruch's support of individualism and aversion to socialism is not going to win the GOP any conservatives, or moderates, for that matter.

369 Unfortunately, Steele represents a significant portion of the opinion-shapers betraying the Gay Old Panderer's country club.

370
Agree or Disagree?

On the political spectrum, the Republican party today is slightly to the left of John Kennedy circa 1961.

371
I'm late to this party, but what an amazing thread. Obama is flinging around billions like confetti, shoving socialism down our throats, and constructing a patronage army that will keep the left in power for a generation, and what do we do? We're at each other's throats over a talk-show host. Fucking brilliant. Rahm Emanuel is laughing his ass off at us.

Can I suggest that everyone just take a deep breath and calm down? We need everybody we can muster. If somebody screws up now and again, I'm not about to read them out of the party: we need each other too much. And the proper response to any query about Rush Limbaugh is: "The stock market is collapsing, we're at war in two countries, Iran is about to to get the bomb with Obama's blessing, the Democrats are spending our children and grandchildren into the poor house, and you want to talk about some guy on the radio?"

372
And today's Democrat party is to the left of the Kremlin circa 1980?

373 It is time for a new vehicle for true conservatism.

374

Oh, and keep in mind that Bill "Democratic catechism" Bennett's go-to radio sub is none other than Michael Steele. 

I don't get Benett's show anymore in Chicago but I actually thought it was OK... he strikes me as a good guy. Most of the time.

375

"The stock market is collapsing, we're at war in two countries, Iran is about to to get the bomb with Obama's blessing, the Democrats are spending our children and grandchildren into the poor house, and you want to talk about some guy on the radio?"

You are late, so that is about the 73rd response mentioned on this thread that was 1000 times better then what Steele did.

But the point is, that's the 73rd response mentioned on this thread that was 1000 times better then what Steele did.

376 We're at each other's throats over a talk-show host.
There is a reason for that. If Steele can't do the job then it's better he leave sooner rather than later. He fanned on this one. How many chances does he get?
We spend a great amount of time discussing Obama's systematic destruction of our country as well.

377 some guy on the radio?"



Posted by: Brown Line


That guy on the radio is the one who is trying to get people to resist Obama and his minions.

The head of of the Republican Party is unclear on the concept.

We are discussing exactly the right thing. People like Steele got us where we are, not people like Rush.

378 Obama is flinging around billions like confetti, shoving socialism down our throats, and constructing a patronage army that will keep the left in power for a generation, and what do we do? We're at each other's throats over a talk-show host.

I'm multitasking.  Steele is a dull tool.

379

Someone got Karl Rove's phone number...we need his "Magnificent Bastard" genius right now, and for the foreseeable future....

Um, no thanks.  Leave to the Left the attribution of great powers to Dark Lord Rove.  As a political strategist with an eight-year shelf-life, he's definitionally a success.  As an enduring asset to the Republican Party or especially to the conservative ideology, he's a trainwreck.

His 50.00001% strategy is really paying big dividends for us now, isn't it?  Good thing he actively de-emphasized broad conservative principles in exchange for hard-targeting issues du jour.  Good thing he focused almost entirely on cranking out just enough votes to win today rather than worry about all those structural disadvantages that produced the Obamabot nation and will probably bring down the republic as the zombie hoard metastasizes.

If we need to look to Karl "I squeaked by John "Duke Dukakis" Kerry by 2%" Rove for any kind of strategy or leadership, we're screwed.

380 On the political spectrum, the Republican party today is slightly to the left of John Kennedy circa 1961.

Concur - Somewhere between JFK and Lennon.

381

We're at each other's throats over a talk-show host. Fucking brilliant. Rahm Emanuel is laughing his ass off at us. Posted by: Brown Line at March 02, 2009 11:11 PM (4SWwh)

 

Who gives a shit about Rush. When asked about Rush's speech at CPAC, Steele denounced it as "incendiary" and "ugly". What was the speech about? Basic conservative principles. Basic conservative principles are "incendiary" and "ugly" according to the head of the GOP. Par for the course for the GOP.

382
I'm going to give Steele a tiny bit of defense and give him credit for possibly being quick on his feet: I think Steele might have been worried that if he didn't rebuke Rush the next thing outof Hughley's mouth woulda been: "But what about 'Obama the Magical Negro' song on Rush's show?

Then Steele, a black man, mighta been sitting there looking dumbfounded and pretty shitty for defending that song from Rush, a white man.

383 If Steele doesn't know that a BLACK LIBERAL started the "Barack the Magic Negro" parody by now then he need REALLY needs expulsion both from his job, and from the party generally.

384

Posted by: Darling at March 02, 2009 11:21 PM (SdIfp)

If that is the case, he could have simply diverted the issue asking why the hell they are talking about a radio talk show host when, in 0 own words, we are headed toward catastrophe? Thereby diverting the follow-up.

385
hahaha, for the most part I always liked Brown Line's comments, but I can't help thinking about a skidmark when i see the name.

386 A Lock of Che Guevara's Chest Hair@185: Perfectly stated. Democrats did not win the White House and both houses of Congress by being nice or playing any PR game other than fighting for their principles like hungry, cornered wolverines. I will never understand the idea that the best way to "sell" conservatism is to water down the message. Bullshit. Call liberals out for the statists they are, and offer a full-bodied alternative with no apologies. McCain was the darling of the let's-all-get-along Bipartisanship Is The Shizzle! crowd untili he became the Republican nominee. At that point, he became W ver. 2.0. The moral? You can't win the PR war with style over substance. People know bullshit when they smell it.

387 I'm going to give Steele a tiny bit of defense and give him credit for possibly being quick on his feet: I think Steele might have been worried that if he didn't rebuke Rush the next thing outof Hughley's mouth woulda been: "But what about 'Obama the Magical Negro' song on Rush's show?

Then Steele, a black man, mighta been sitting there looking dumbfounded and pretty shitty for defending that song from Rush, a white man.


Posted by: Darling

Indeed. But, if Steele is not prepared to handle questions like that, why does he have the job?

Is he just learning now that the Dems play for keeps?

388

Black people Hate Rush.

That's BS. If black people hate rush, it's because they've never listened to him. If a black person gets exposed to him, they utterly reform their opinions in short order.

Because if ANYONE listens to him, it is my experience they utterly reform their opinions in short order.

Like I said in one of the other threads : Limbaugh wasn't what I thought he was when I started listening to him. Not at all. He gets portrayed as anything but what he is. And I was truly amazed at how smart and intelligent he is.

And he's on 3 hours a day, 5 days a week articulating conservative principles in a proven successful, entertaining, accessible way.

And like I said: How do you get black people to listen to Rush?

Apparently the answer is: Call him an ugly provacateur not worth listening to. That just reinforces inccorect notions and does not help anyone - not even Steele.

Meanwhile, this guy is called (right or wrong) the leader of the GOP or the premier speaker for Conservatism - his audience has heard that before, and they'll hear that again after Steele is long gone. It tars the whole business.

All these hand-wringing ninnies think the problem is we associate with people the media portray as horrible extremist hate mongers.

The problem is not that we're associated with them - but that we LET THEM portray them as horrible extremist hate mongers, rather then defend them for fear of being associated further!

Hell yes Steele should have defended Rush. GOP politicians and these marketing gurus, with there ideas of political reality are, are all scrambling to be the last eaten by the tiger.

It's like watching Obama chuck people under the bus. He's a criminal - under the bus. I didn't know. Oh he's a criminal to - under you go. Pretty soon it's like WTF, just how many criminals do you know? How does a straight-arrow guy wind up hanging out with so many crooks?

Media screams - under the bus. NAACP cries racist - under the bus. Denounced, decried, diassociated so as not to tar the brand (but not defended). And pretty soon people are going to wonder - just how many racist hatemongers do you know? How does a supposedly nice compassionate guy wind up being in a party with so many racist hatemongers popping out all over the place and being brushed aside?

If someone like Jeff B thinks Limbaugh could avoid this - He doesn't know what's he's talking about. You can't talk for 4 hours and not say anything that can't be torn out of context to look back. You certainly can't do it and be entertaining and engauging - hell no. No chance.

You can't "deny them ammo". I've seen how they RIP Rush utterly out of context. They'll make shit up. They'll fletch their own arrows.

The only viable option is to defend them and stop letting them get painted as something their not, because "it's too inconvient" or "too complicated to explain" and not the hill worth dying on. Which hill is?

389

No one likes a brown noser.

Btw, is Ace circumcized? Geeesh.

 

390
Yeah, I don't think Steele is up for the job. Frankly, he's incompetent  because he's shown us he can't even debate Chuck fucking D and explain the Democrats are the ones running the big cities and they're the ones failing the 'black community' for the last, oh, 40 years.

391

 "But what about 'Obama the Magical Negro' song on Rush's show?

What about it? Rush didn't find that appropriate. Jesse Jackson said that. Rush was making fun of Jackson for saying such a tasteless thing.

392 Not all voters are swayed by what people say.

Many of us judge people by what they do.

An overweight, divorced three times, viagra-totin' drug addict doesn't represent me.

Never has, never will.

I can understand how he entertains dimwitted goobers.

The goobers don't have enough votes to win a national election anymore, though.

Ditch Rush if you want my vote Repubbos.

393

Oh, sorry - "that's too complicated" ... he said, that guy said, the voters are confused now.

There was a lot of "throw Rush under the bus!" back then too.

Then people think "Rush is a racist tasteless prick". OK. So what?

So then they hear "Rush is the head of the GOP".

So people want to fight.... the former? No. The latter. Fuck Rush - under the bus.

Stop futiley fighting the guilt by association and start fight the initial tarring.

394 You got it half right when you said that Reagan didn't win because he didn't have any principles and out Democrated the Democrats. Screw appealing to the moderates, they are moths drawn to the brightest light and what makes the light burn brightest is adhering to core principles. Let them join us because our message is clear, not muddy our message so we can join them.
-OMB

395
Rush was making fun of Jackson for saying such a tasteless thing.

I know the backstory of the song; I'm a regular listener of Rush's.

But that song is on Rush, now, and Steele is going to need a minute to explain the story behind it. I'm just saying, bringing up that song would've made Steele squirm a little.

396 "Jeff B. : 

Common Pineapple.

Your Squeakhole.

Sideways, bitch.

Posted by: Russ from Winterset at March 02, 2009 08:04 PM (cdAdD)"

This is why I lurves me some fellow Ioweeeeegians.

397 I believe it was David Ehrenstien, a journalist for the LATimes and Hilary supporter that coined the original Barack is a "magic negro' being used by white to assuage white guilt, which Rush let Shanklin do a parody on. True GENIUS!

398 NO NO NOT Charlie Crist we have a name for him in spanish "aprovechador" he will never be the answer. He is the biggest snake salesman ever and the biggest panderer around. Can't stand people who think they need to appeal to groups we are all Americans and have common goals we want to succeed and always want the ability to improve our lives.

399 348 The GOP should want Obama's policies to fail. You surely want Obama's policies to fail. I sure as hell want him and them to fail. BUT YOU CANNOT SAY THAT OUT LOUD. To say that out loud -- not just in the current crisis, but in any analogous crisis -- is politically suicidal because it is extremely difficult for the average voter to distinguish from wanting AMERICA to fail.

I know it's been said previously, but where have you been the last 8 years? This appears to me to have been the strategy of the Dem party. And don't give me that gas about how this is all fringe element of the Party. I do seem to remember the likes of the Senate Majority Leader declaring that we had lost in Iraq. That's just one egregious example of countless examples. Please, do go on about how the "average" American voter punished the Dems.

400 An overweight, divorced three times, viagra-totin' drug addict doesn't represent me.

Posted by: andros

Indeed, but a man-boobed, married to a Klingon, coke snorting Kenyan does represent you.

Got any good stock tips?

401 If Steele doesn't know that a BLACK LIBERAL started the "Barack the Magic Negro" parody by now then he need REALLY needs expulsion both from his job, and from the party generally.

2nd that.

Steele's prepared response is probably to bust a gut (and maybe a blood vessel in the brain or two) laughing. "Whew! Ever ask yourself why every time Al Sharpton sees a cartoon of a monkey he sees a black man?"

He just needs help with the Nazi slur - "You are not a socialist, or a nationalist (patriot) are you? Even in WWII Stalin could not bring himself to slam his enemy as 'socialist'. Exactly, just how far to the left of Stalin are you to slam your opponent to the right as (National) Socialists?

402 Illegal alien, admitted drug-using, Indonesian communists represent andros.

403 Ronald Reagan lived a Christian life, eman.

Ronald Reagan was a real Republican leader.

Rush Limbaugh has the personal life of a devil worshiper.

Why on Earth should Republicans take his advice about anything other than where to get the best drugs and what to do when your tiny little penis stops working?

404 JetBoy's okay, not a troll. :::hooking a brutha up:::

405

Tell us who you think we should nominate in 2012, andros?
Posted by: Darling at February 25, 2009



McCain ought to get a second bite at the apple if he's still around, Darling.
Posted by: andros at February 25, 2009

406 Sounds like another brain-dead MSM zombie has swallowed the propaganda.

407 Who do you think should be the Republican nominee in 2012, Darling?

Do Tell!

408 Why on Earth should Republicans take his advice about anything other than where to get the best drugs and what to do when your tiny little penis stops working?

Posted by: andros at March 02, 2009 11:46 PM (k39jK)

 

Because conservatives are not mindless followers like the Obamatrons; we can come to our own conclusions about what should be done. Call me crazy, but I think it is probably a good idea to oppose Obama's push to socialism, Rush advice or no.

409 I don't want your vote, andros. You've got a case of bad-ass gutter mouth.

410 My personal thanks to Rush on behalf of conservatism is still hanging on his wall right where it belongs. Pseudo-"Christian" hypocrite mobies mean nothing in the real world, andros.

411

Ditch Rush if you want my vote Repubbos.

I think I'll pass on the deal.

412 This the troll we get? Andros?

Trolls-R-Us must have really taken a pounding today.

Where's erg? At least he would show his tits once in a while.

413 Good on you, andros! You keep our way alive for the dark master!

414

Ditch Rush if you want my vote Repubbos.

We don't.  Bye.

415 Must be a Californication troll, as it would be past its bedtime back East...

416

It's Steele's job to win elections for the GOP. Being a moderate ain't gonna do that.

He needs to articulate a conservative message and attack the Dems relentlessly, particularly this total disaster of a President. It's the only way. Criticizing Rush won't accomplish squat.

How did being civil work out for McCain?

 

417
Do Tell!

I like Reagan's ghost for 2012.

But I'll settle for Romney / Guilliani / Jindal / Palin / Rush/ LauraBush / DarthVader / Tancredo / Santorum / Pence / R2D2 / Scalia

418 Us decent folk will reclaim the Republican party eman,

Then you goobers will be the trolls.

419 Open Thread please!!

420

Andros, if you are posing as a GOPer concern troll, try to get the lingo down. We don't call our own "goobers".

It's a dead giveaway that you are a liberal.

That, and your tiny dick. 

421

Jeff B.

Stick it up your rotting ass sideways, cunt.

Wanna win elections by "redefining conservatism",  you whiny piss-soaked kneewalker? Fuck you. Want to "appeal to more people" by lying? Fuck off, snake. Think that two-fisted American Exceptionalism and conservative thought appeals only to "the base"? You're deluded, a coward, a lickspittle, and a whore addicted to Dem talking points and MSM approval.

You think that conservative thought and philosophy is "toxic"? You're a fucking pussy.

You think that wanting Obama to fail is the same as wanting America to fail? You pusrag, you dirtfucking lunatic, you godforsaken knee-bent sucker of self-proclaimed aristoi - America is not Obama, Obama is not America. He is not the fucking King given Dominion no matter how badly you need to grovel in front of another man in submission, you worthless, self-loathing utter prick. Fuck off and die you pathetic monarchistic worm.

You're not a conservative because conservatives aren't toadies to self-proclaimed princes here in the USA, cunty.

PS, same you you, JetBoy. Go fuck yourself.

422 I like Goobers more than I like Raisinettes.

423 Ditch Cole Hamels if you want me to pitch for you guys.

424

Us decent folk will reclaim the Republican party eman

Looks like Axelrod has initiated Operation Bumpkin, because, apparently, the Mensa chapter presidents usually turfing these parts were just too obvious with their erudite talk, fancy manners, and smooth, humpless backs.

Tells me more, andros.  I'm decent folk just like you, I reckon.

425 6500 tomorrow?

What is the "It's too low to blame on Bush" closing number?

5000?

3?

426 Funny I noticed that the libs really wanted in on this thread.  I see some of the same names and comments that appear at other sites I frequent.

This will be another ace column mentioned in the MSLM along with the monkey at the McCain rally before the election.


Tuesday NYT Headline:

Prominent Former Conservative Blog of the Year writer agrees that Rush is harmful to your health and the Republican election chances.

427 It will be Bush's fault in a decade when we have built another communist "Utopia".

428 Rush makes me feel bitter, but Steele makes me feel clingy.

I can't decide!

429 We have been writing the history books for a couple of generations now, you lame-assed conservatives, and there is nothing to keep us from continuing to do so. Heh!

430 Actually, gutter mouth has it's place when used properly, Andros, as Inspector Asshole just demonstrated. See, you have to have actual convictions with it. Trust me son, we old guys know about this stuff.  Have a lovely day.

431 Our turfers are sure doing yeoman's work tonight aren't they David?!

432 Brown Line@371,

Not to beat a dead horse, but deciding who will be our representatives in the philosophical war is kind of important. Steele failed. Fatally for his position? Quite possibly given the layers of fail. Spectacularly despite his personal revelations of how the GOP has been a benefit to him? Yes.

Why the frenzy over this matter beyond what has already been said? Exactly because of what Teleprompter Jesus and Rahm Emanual have wrought. We are mad. Furious. Apoplectic, and every other excited word you can find in a Thesaurus... because we see our nation crumble when it need not. This is channeled fury for productive means. It may look chaotic. It isn't. This is the stimulus and the battle for the soul we really need to get out in the open. The idea that Emanual can direct our intra-party struggle from afar is false. We only grant him proxy control by playing his game -- his game being GOP representatives volunteering to be passive dupes willing to be duped by jive-ass, strawmen hacks.

This public display a positive development long-term. Short-term, feelings will be hurt. Political positions may be lost. That's politics. I don't think Rush planned it all this way, but this backbreaking misstep by Steele gets us back to, dare I use (I think) Newt's term, "First Principles." Steele was just the first to be unprepared, if not unqualified, to articulate classical conservatism by making the misake of conflating/substituting it with the bastard-child of GOP conservatism and accepting false premises. Rush explained his position every which way from Sunday in several different formats. His position is irrefutably right. He even explained the fuss that would follow when he said it because he was two-steps ahead of our "leadership." Steele wasn't up to the task even morons could handle. It's good to know what we have so that we don't kid ourselves about how far we need to go.

The pent up anger is directly consequential to the situation our country is in now -- courtesy the Socialists, I mean Democrat catechism, we have in control. It follows naturally that the fight internally will be heated. Nothing personal, really. This is business. OK, it's personal and business. And still necessary.

433
Look, Obama inherited a $3 Trillion deficit and the only we're going to get out from under this massive debt is to make it $5 Trillion.

But it's all good cuz he's going to cut the annual deficit in half by 2013. In other words, he's going to spend so much $$ in the next three years, he'll be able to cut that in half and still spend more than George Bush ever did in any of eight years in the White House.

Anyone else amazed Obama can say all that with a straight face? He must think the American people are stupid.

What?

434 Progressivism is what is, conservatism is just tired old American imperialist greed, and good Americans are just tired of it, Rahm.

435

Can anyone tell me the last time they heard any one of Dingy Harry, Pelosi, Howard Dean, Kerry, Kennedy, Schumer, or Leahy say ANYTHING positive, even remotely bi-partisan, or presumptive of any shared goodwill  toward opponents? Or ever heard any of them apologize for ANYTHING nasty that they may have said about their political counterparts?

We don't need to be as nasty or petty as they are, we're better than that. But we sure don't need to concede one iota of goodwill to them either. They aren't our "loyal opposition". 

We're the ones who always say that we need to believe it when our enemies say they want to kill us. Well, I don't recall Howard Dean backing off when he was quoted as saying Republicans are evil. And John Kerry wasn't real apologetic when an open mike caught him calling George Bush a moron. They mean it. We need to quit thinking they are our friends, or we seem as foolish as the libs who keep telling us the terrorists are just people too, just another culture. Sure.   

436

Us decent folk will reclaim the Republican party eman

Darn straight! Now pass the chewng tobaccy.

437 Hell, the GOP needs to get back to the message of Reagan and away from the "bipartisan" message the Maverick was going with.  Dump the RINO's and some of the "loons" while trying to get minority groups to see that the Donks are the party of "the welfare state" for all.  The Donks have fucked over every major city in this country and the head Jackass (Obami) is fucking over the finaincal markets every time he opens his piehole. His administration is nothing but Chicago style politics on a national level...pay-for-play, corruption, government funds going to "special interests" and other bullshit for the "friends" of Obami...

If they can't do it, then I forsee in the not so distant future a second revolution in the country that may result in bloodshed on our streets that hasn't been seen since he Civil War....

438 It's Steele's job to win elections for the GOP. Being a moderate ain't gonna do that.

If the Repubs Cannot do This...

First and foremost as a matter of supreme law he needs to represent the party as absolute Constitutionalist; Second a hardcore conservative and federalist (prove it works at the State / city level first before pushing that shiite at the national level); and third, reinforcing the 3rd, 5th, 9th, 10th, etc. as classical liberal in regards to security against state intrusion in ones person and premises.

Because the Commoner Wants Skittles?

They will get slavery. It was their choice.



For shiites and grins and as a showcase he should campaign for 'standing' of any American against legislators (etc)  for a breach in oath of office when a lawmaker or executor or judge violates the Constitution - why wait for some poor bastard to 'be made an example of' when the question stares us all in the face.

439 Log,

What should I call the 2 or 3 milions dittoheads who tune into Limbaugh every day?

Certainly not a majority.

440

Would it be asking too much for Steele to have read this?

Once we have established this, the next question is: What will be the political vehicle by which the majority can assert its rights?

I have to say I cannot agree with some of my friends—perhaps including some of you here tonight—who have answered that question by saying this nation needs a new political party.

I respect that view and I know that those who have reached it have done so after long hours of study. But I believe that political success of the principles we believe in can best be achieved in the Republican Party. I believe the Republican Party can hold and should provide the political mechanism through which the goals of the majority of Americans can be achieved. For one thing, the biggest single grouping of conservatives is to be found in that party. It makes more sense to build on that grouping than to break it up and start over.

 

Rather than a third party, we can have a new first party made up of people who share our principles. I have said before that if a formal change in name proves desirable, then so be it. But tonight, for purpose of discussion, I’m going to refer to it simply as the New Republican Party.

And let me say so there can be no mistakes as to what I mean: The New Republican Party I envision will not be, and cannot, be one limited to the country club-big business image that, for reasons both fair and unfair, it is burdened with today. The New Republican Party I am speaking about is going to have room for the man and the woman in the factories, for the farmer, for the cop on the beat and the millions of Americans who may never have thought of joining our party before, but whose interests coincide with those represented by principled Republicanism. If we are to attract more working men and women of this country, we will do so not by simply “making room” for them, but by making certain they have a say in what goes on in the party. The Democratic Party turned its back on the majority of social conservatives during the 1960s. The New Republican Party of the late ’70s and ’80s must welcome them, seek them out, enlist them, not only as rank-and-file members but as leaders and as candidates.

The time has come for Republicans to say to black voters: “Look, we offer principles that black Americans can, and do, support.” We believe in jobs, real jobs; we believe in education that is really education; we believe in treating all Americans as individuals and not as stereotypes or voting blocs—and we believe that the long-range interest of black Americans lies in looking at what each major party has to offer, and then deciding on the merits. The Democratic Party takes the black vote for granted. Well, it’s time black America and the New Republican Party move toward each other and create a situation in which no black vote can be taken for granted.

The New Republican Party I envision is one that will energetically seek out the best candidates for every elective office, candidates who not only agree with, but understand, and are willing to fight for a sound, honest economy, for the interests of American families and neighborhoods and communities and a strong national defense. And these candidates must be able to communicate those principles to the American people in language they understand. Inflation isn’t a textbook problem. Unemployment isn’t a textbook problem. They should be discussed in human terms.

441

What should I call the 2 or 3 milions dittoheads who tune into Limbaugh every day?

Boss. Everyone of them is smarter than you are.

442 Can someone tell me if there is precedent for a sitting president to attack a talk show host?  That seems to be where this entire controversy began.  It isn't about Linbuagh or Steele or bobby J, it is really about the fact that your CPAC conference had the most participants it ever had.  This is really about the fact that this guy Linbaugh has the most listeners he has ever had.  This is really about the fact that the young up and coming republicans are ignoring McCain.  Gergen was on with Anderson Cooper and he was saying the republican party is having a void.  Duh, that is obvious.  Maybe the republican party is truly going to fade away into oblivion and the dems don't want that cause they finally found the formula to defeat the republicans and they don't want to think that thr republicans a group they can now control would be eclipsed by the conservatives a group they had hoped would be marginalized by now.  The behavior of the republicans this election cycle was terrible, none of them acted like republicans cause they have gone so far away from republican priciples they don't even know what they are anymore.  Bobby J is a very smart guy and whoever advised him on that speech was not his usual advisors.  Even a casual observer can see this.  Steele showed his true feelings in that interview.   He didn't hae time to think so he reacted with the truth., his truth, what he really believes.  so now you know he is a part of the McCain group.  You should e glad you know this and frame your arguments to the people of this country accordingly

443

What should I call the 2 or 3 milions dittoheads who tune into Limbaugh every day?

What should I call the 2 or 3 million dead gerbils that I could excavate from your shit chute if I wanted to give them a proper burial?

Did you even know their names?

444 Can someone tell me if there is precedent for a sitting president to attack a talk show host?

Without reading the rest of your post, I think it may fall under the criminal offense of EXTORTION.

445 flenser,

130 million Americans voted in the last election.

The 2 or 3 million Limbaugh listening/Fox News watchin' "Republicans" cause more trouble to the party than they're worth.

The few "smart" ones among you will figure that out pretty soon.

446

The 2 or 3 million Limbaugh listening/Fox News watchin' "Republicans" cause more trouble to the party than they're worth.

More trouble, how?

 

Enlighten us as to your vision for the Republican party. I have not suffered enought yet today. Lay it on. Harder!

447 Andros, you have a remarkable ability to put scare quotes around random words.  If you refer to people turning their backs on Rush as "smart" and then put scare quotes around it, you're saying they're... uh, not smart.

You, sir, are a genius.

448 Um, you cost us elections, flenser.

A large majority of Americans find Rush and his goobers repulsive and will never vote Republican again until you're put in your place.

Bush was your one shot and you done blew it.

449 If only that goober Limbaugh went off the air, everything would be better! My liberal neighnors would not make fun of me. My boyfriend would help me get these gerbils out of my ass. Smart people like me would be listened to once again!

450 "444 Can someone tell me if there is precedent for a sitting president to attack a talk show host?

Without reading the rest of your post, I think it may fall under the criminal offense of EXTORTION.

Posted by: Druid at March 03, 2009 12:49 AM (mdr+B"

I'm curious, how so?

451 JeffB, 194,

I doubt you'll see this comment so late in the evening, but seriously.  The media will never run out of ammunition to attack us.  Most of the objectionable quotes are our message and they don't like it, never mind that it's true.  We either refute it on sound, cheerful, conservative principal like Reagan or cave which validates their point.  The point of talk TV is message which you obviously  know.  Accepting a failed premise or faulty premise is death.  It gives it legitimacy in the room.  It doesn't matter what your next point is, you've just accepted Republicans are like Nazis with a talking point.  This is the bridge to fight on.    It's that simple.   Never give ground.  Americans also notice that.  It's when we cede ground that the liberals pounce and do a run with it.  Never give it.  Never.

452

Um, you cost us elections, flenser.

What's with this "us" shit? There is no "us". Take the hint already, you creepy obsessed stalker. We and you, we're through. Finito. Over. Dusted.

Bush was your one shot and you done blew it.

Bush won. Twice. And he was your sort of squishy liberal Republican. Not like "us" reich-wingers at all.

453 That's not really fair to CJ.  A solid 4% of his posts are minimalist photograph-lead open threads.  Only the other 96% are sweaty-toothed unhinged screeds about how 17 guys in Bumblefuck, Kansas

Well, now he's taunting Pam Geller again. Calls a Jewish babe a nazi lover for supposedly posting something that originated in the Turner Diaries. I think he's trolling for a date since he knows Pam will take the bait and run full page rants for weeks about him. 

454 Maybe "the base" likes Rush because at least HE stands up for himself, stands up for conservative principles, and FIGHTS!
He doesn't take "Nazi" accusations lying down.
He doesn't roll over for ANY liberal bullshit!

Unlike Michael Steele.

And unlike the "Beltway Crowd," of whom I am so sick I must carry a barf bag with me at all times.

455

andros is a Hungarian name, right? You people are supposed to be intelligent. Who spiked your kool-aid with LSD?

 

456

Well, now he's taunting Pam Geller again. Calls a Jewish babe a nazi lover

When you're as far left as CJ is, everybody who's not Karl Marx starts to look like a Nazi lover.

457 The 2 or 3 million Limbaugh listening/ . . .

Posted by: andros at March 03, 2009 12:50 AM (k39jK)

Limbaugh has an audience of 15-20 million.

Your attention to facts is in line with the merit of your argument.

458 CNBC is LIVE, they are never live at this hour, usually only bloomberg is live.  Wonder why they are suddenly live.

459 I'm curious, how so?

Oh, For Our Glorious Overlord Obama, His Sake, I was just throwing that out there, without reading the rest of the post as said above..

Not to say that the following is in strict conformance with any of Black's definitions or US law, but most yokels off the street or the back forty will know it...

Extortion is the threat of using what one can do legally against you, to force you to do what I cannot legally make you do, such as in this case, hypothetically 'Fairness Doctrine' - Say nice and wondrous things about me or I will sign into law a prohibition against you saying anything at all and destroy your life, at best.

460 Wow the trolls are out in full force trying to discredit Rush.  They are learning a good lesson that the Right will follow those that will fight for Conservative values.  We will not go silently and are ready to rumble.

461 Ad,

Limbaugh has an audience of 14 million listeners a week.

That works out to only 2 million a day.

I see math isn't a dittohead strength.

What a surprise.

462
It makes one wonder if Rush such a drag on the GOP why don't the moonbats just sit back and let Rush run amok?

_{*I really don't know what 'run amok' means, but I think I'm using it correctly here.}

463 Jeff B., @#111: The GOP should want Obama's policies to fail.  You surely want Obama's policies to fail.  I sure as hell want him and them to fail.  BUT YOU CANNOT SAY THAT OUT LOUD.  To say that out loud -- not just in the current crisis, but in any analogous crisis -- is politically suicidal because it is extremely difficult for the average voter to distinguish from wanting AMERICA to fail.  It strikes a lot of people as being akin to those asshole liberal douchebags who practically seemed to be rooting for America to lose the Iraq War...remember how they came off?  Like unpatriotic selfish fucks who were happy to see a nation burn and America humiliated merely to vindicate their own personal positions, and to knock Bush in the dirt.  Now of course they would have explained that OF COURSE they had good reasons for wanting us to lose in Iraq (usually some crap about preventing American imperialism yada yada yada), but gee, that one didn't play with the folks in Peoria now did it?

The last part of this argument has already been exposed for the EPIC FAIL it truly was, but let's grant the premise: divisive comments are bad.  Check.  So then tell me how it helps when the spokesman for the party throws the party's best and most vocal supporter under the bus?  "Ugly" sounds like a pretty divisive comment to me.

As has also been said already, the full context of what Rush was saying has been explained so many times that anyone who still believes he's rooting for Obama's personal or even political failure is simply not paying attention or deliberately spinning it negatively.  The former group, almost by definition, doesn't care about news/politics right now, and the latter won't care no matter what we say here.  So there's no point trying to convince them.  What we do need is a unified base, and that won't happen if Steele comes out and basically agrees with Obama's premise re: Limbaugh — that we can't listen to him and get things done.

Forget whatever Steele said exactly: if he can't use the premise of a question that he knows goddamn well he's going to get and come up with an effective way to dodge and counterattack, then we need a better spokesman.  Except of course, that he is the chief party spokesman.





Entropy, if you're still reading, McCain didn't lose Indiana because he wasn't conservative enough.  He could have matched Bush's '04 total and still lost.  He lost Indiana because Obama had a surprisingly huge ground game here.  If you do a little research, you can discover why, but I have a mental draft of a lengthy blog post that will lay it all out that I'll be writing in a short time.

464
It's simple math, really. The only ones who don't 'get it' are the idiots in the RNC.

Our political enemies approve of the likes of Michael Steele and they want to silence Rush Limbaugh.

Hmmmm, I wonder who is better for our party. Hmmmmmm...this is tough one, someone get me a sliderule, I got some serious calculations to do here.

465
He lost Indiana because Obama had a surprisingly huge ground game here.

Yeah, that and the massive voter fraud. Without looking at the data, I'll bet everyone and their dead brother in Gary voted...twice.

466 461 Ad,

Limbaugh has an audience of 14 million listeners a week.

That works out to only 2 million a day.

I see math isn't a dittohead strength.

What a surprise.

Posted by: andros at March 03, 2009 01:26 AM (k39jK

Jesus Christ, dude, do I actually have to explain this to you?

Are you really this retarded?

Do you actually think a person decides they like a radio show, but only on one day of the week?

BTW, Limbaugh only airs new shows on weekdays, so this exhibit 4,016 that you have never listened to him.

467 I came late to the party, somebody tell me this guy isn't as big a fucking moron as he came across in that post.

468 "Looks like Axelrod has initiated Operation Bumpkin, because, apparently, the Mensa chapter presidents usually turfing these parts were just too obvious with their erudite talk, fancy manners, and smooth, humpless backs."

Oh, man that's funny.


Vjay always brings it.

469 Druid at March 03, 2009 01:19 AM (mdr+B) ah ok I didn't even think of the fairness doctrine, now I understand your thoughts.   See we independents are a large majority and I think your conservative party might be able to attract a lot of independents as they become more and more unhappy with the gone off the cliff liberal directio the country is going in.   I see the country as right of center,

470 The Conservative Movement is taking back the right to talk, and Steele better get on board before it leaves him behind in 2010 and 2012.

And Jeff B., I teabag in your general direction. You are a ass-swallowing jizz pimp who deserved to have his skull aired out with a .30-06. You are a pimple on the face that is America, and deserve to get yourself popped and all the oil squeezed out of you. You are the tinkle down Chris Matthews's leg.

May you and your kind die in a fire. Or a hail of gunfire.

471 Wait a second, you forgot to say something rustic in that last comment, Andros. 

Remember, if you don't casually mention your love of possum meat, we're going to figure out that you're a moby fucking troll...

472 If Limbaugh only goes on the air 5 times a week, then he has about 3 million listeners, AD.

You'll note I said he had between 2 and 3 million listeners.

Maybe you guys should be tuning into Sesame Street instead of a bloated drug addict with erectile dysfunction if you want to learn a little something.

473 Russia's Gazprom just announced their results and they did exceptionally well.   Funny CNBC was sort of indicating that Russia wasn't doing well.  wonder what else they have wrong.

474 Posted by: andros at March 03, 2009 01:38 AM (k39jK)

Dear God, you stupid retarded asshole.

You present a level of idiocy my mind is having trouble fully grasping.  Nobody is going to decide they like Limbaugh's show on Monday, but not on Tuesday.  And that is still all a moot point, because you were implying above he had 2-3 million total.  Now you're backtracking.

You're an idiot.  Seriously, you're a fucking idiot.

475 Limbaugh has an audience of 14 million listeners a week.

That works out to only 2 million a day.

Sadly, no.

You are most likely looking at unique listeners. 13.999 may listen every day and still be 14 a week.

Sadly, Some poor fucks think Rush is a threat to something other than the Constitution.

Sadly, this is the most popular talk show in America.
Sadly, this is too much discention.
Sadly, Congress wants to outlaw it.
Sadly, The Chosen One will then outlaw it.

Sadly, some poor fucks think this will be a good thing.


BUT, as You suggested, it is nothing.

476
And Jeff B., I teabag in your general direction.

hahahaha, I never heard that one before. Good one, you sick fuck.
It's both laugh-worthy and cringe-worthy at the same time.

477 So, you've just decided to drop the down home country talk altogether now?

Boy, this is confusing, Andros.  When you adopt a fictional voice, show some commitment at least.

478

I apologize if someone has already said this, but I am not going to read all 450 comments.

 

Russ you have a wrong assumption about the Nazi comment thing. The comment was NOT made about the attendees of CPAC. The comment was relative to the Republican Convention during the 2008 election. The comment was “the convention looked like a bunch of Nazis”. What I gathered from the intent of the comment was that there was a scarcity of non-white people in the audience.

 

It looked like Steele tried to respond but was cut off. That is the same thing that happened when he tried to respond somewhat to the Rush comments. What he SHOULD have done is refuse to be cut off and come back hard and call that stupid shit out on throwing the Nazi card.

 

But as I said twice in previous posts, what he really should have done is NOT FUCKING BE THERE IN THE FIRST PLACE. That was a lose lose proposition and is reminiscent of Palin going on Network News and allowing them to edit her responses without calling them out on it.

 

This guy is even an amateur media jackal and he played Steele like a rusted out 25 cent harp. The Republican big wigs need to quit trying to play to the mythical center and start getting that mythical center to come to them by displaying a clear and unambiguous message of conservative Republican principles. So far in the last two elections all they have done is piss off the base.  They also need to learn how to fight the media enemy. After a few visits with some even to friendly places like Cavuto, I think Steele is the wrong man for the job now and he should go. He has shown himself to be:

 

1. Another “centrist” squishie

2. Inept at playing the media

3. Willing to throw the base under the bus

479 Haha, AD,

Why should the gasbags on the radio get a special way to measure their audience when everyone else from bloggers to TV hosts(which Rush failed at when he tried to be one) get measured by the day or even the hour?

Between 2 and 3 million people listen to each Rush Limbaugh show.

Accept it.

About the same number of people who watch WWE "wrestling" on the TeeVee whenever it airs.

What a coincidence.

480 Wow the trolls are out in full force trying to discredit Rush.

Seriously, though, this is like whack-a-mole.

You have a group of people who barely ever tried to articulate and defend their positions in their life, who probably became actively irate whenever a conservative tried to debate them in college or work, and they're trying to come here?  I'm not so much annoyed as insulted.  We rip each other far more than these guys have ever even interacted with a conservative and yet they think they actually have something remotely interesting to say.

Look, trolls, you don't know jackshit about politics, which is perfectly fine, except you haven't had it explained to you yet that you don't know jackshit about politics, which is why you come here and try to debate and enlighten people who have forgotten more about this stuff than you will ever know.  You haven't and you aren't going to tell us anything about this we don't already know.  Read a few books, take a few classes, and then come back and play with the big boys - until then you serve one purpose here, and that is for us to get practice making fun of you.

481
Who do you listen to on the radio, andros?

Where do you get your news? Do you like Michael Medved? How about Keith Olberman?

482 Between 2 and 3 million people listen to each Rush Limbaugh show.

Really, I don't know what to say here.  This guy's a fucking idiot.

483 It's early after a national election. Now is precisely the best time for a shaking out of the GOP to determine its platform and its leadership going forward into 2010.

Ideology trumps tact at this stage. If you wish to have the most principled leaders who can win going forward, it is important to decide which principles we wish to champion. We can't afford to worry about perfect tenor in message because adherence to the pursuit of that perfection will muddy the ideological waters.

This is exactly what got us into a McCain candidacy. However you voted, you cannot deny he was a poor candidate and who barely paid lip service to many of the issues that were important to the electorate. And yet there he was, somehow the default flag-bearer.

First principles. Now more than ever, it is important we illuminate these and organize campaigns on those things most conservatives agree on. These are not mysteries. Polls indicate support for all these and more: Strong borders. Strong defense. Low taxes. Low spending. School choice.

Getting caught up in semantic garbage is a waste of time and effort, trying to disprove a negative, the exercise thereof doing more to ratify the slurs of the left than anything that was originally said.

484

Why is anybody paying any attention to this new cockholster Andros? He is probably Nick/Rick under a different name. Just another fucking paid troll from the DNC trying to earn a few bucks before going back out on the street to blow 2 dollar syphilitic male prostitutes.

485 Haha, AD,

Being called an idiot by a dittohead makes me chuckle.

I thought you guys took pride in your stupidity?

Clearly, simple math is beyond you.

How do you manage to type?

With your knuckles?

486 "Between 2 and 3 million people listen to each Rush Limbaugh show."

Obama and more importantly proving the true value of a public education.

487 See we independents are a large majority and I think your conservative party might be able to attract a lot of independents as they become more and more unhappy with the gone off the cliff liberal direction the country is going in.

I belong to no party. But,

- I am an absolute Constitutionalist - i.e.: enemies foreign and domestic. Note there is no differentiation, but there is a matter of picking battles... had to swear that oath too many times too count...

- sympathetic to hardcore conservatives (do not MESS if not broken, try a better way is good  to fix it and prove it) ,

- classical liberal  (get thee fukct off mine property and my immediate presence of face when in public - I think that is Amish)

Look, take care of your family first.
If there are a few shekels to spar, help thy family and thy neighbor.

488
These are not mysteries. Polls indicate support for all these and more: Strong borders. Strong defense. Low taxes. Low spending. School choice.

Yeah but...

1) polls shmolls, the RNC/GOP get their marching orders from the NYT, especially McCain.

b) Obama had a solution for everything and was out there promising the world to everyone -- free house, free college, free health care -- so McCain, I guess, felt it would be a losing strategy to go out there and give a "work hard, play by the rules and maybe you'll be something someday" speech. So McCain hopped on the Giveaway/Entitlement bandwagon and promised just a little less than Obama, which pissed off the base, so he lost.

489 Being called an idiot by a dittohead makes me chuckle.

Hi andros,

Haven't listened to the guy in years.

Clearly, simple math is beyond you.

This is a simple stat, you retarded idiot.  He has an audience of 15 million listeners.  You're taking this to mean it's only 2-3 million each day because apparently the people who like his Monday show don't like his Wednesday show.  You're a moron.  I don't mean that as an insult, I mean that in the technical 19th century definition of the world.  You are a complete fully functioning moron.  It's impressive.

If I have to dumb this down for you, I will not be able to speak in complete sentences.  I'm amazed you remember to breathe much less can operate a computer.  It's inspiring.

490
In defense of John McCain, he was on tv today sharply critical of Obama/Reid/Pelosi spending and sounded very good. I really do appreciate that from the old lovable coot. Seriously.

491
Concur - Somewhere between JFK and Lennon.

hahaha, John Lennon? Either way, I agree.

492 #490 a day late and a trillion or so dollars short.

493 See, typos, damnit...this is what I get for engaging these guys.

I have now wasted fifteen minutes of my life I'll never get back.

Goddamnit, though, these guys are fucking idiots.  I genuinely weep for humanity.

494 Andros, what's the deal with you ranting on erectile dysfunction and Rush?

Seriously, did he talk about that on his show? Did you read about that in the Enquirer? Are you a clerk that works at Walgreens where Rush shops? What?

495 @185, print that out and mail it to the RNC headquarters.   Right on.

496 "Old lovable coot"

Maybe to you.


To me, he's a backstabbing asshole. Never to be trusted.

497
no, it's true, mare.

Several years ago Rush went, I think, on a golf trip in the Carribbean with some buddies  and his bag was pulled aside by some airport a-holes and they made a big deal out of him carrying veeagra.

I remember the hater tried to float a Rush is gay rumor after that, too, because he was traveling with his buds.

498 Yeah, Between 2 and 3 million people listen to each Rush Limbaugh show.

So we gotta shut 'em down with "fairness doctrine".
YOU do know that you are the fucking NA Socialist here, right?
Embrace it... feel it... it does feel good, right?

Really, embrace it, know what it feels like to crush just a few peoples hopes, just 1% of the US population.

Oooh Yeahh, can almost feel the your fingers around their necks, tighter, tighter,  tighter, it's only1%, it's OK.

499 Let's try this one more time.

Rush has an audience of 14(not 15) million listeners a week.

That's not unique listeners...it's just the total number of the listeners his 5 shows a week get.

3 million listeners times 5 shows a week equals 15 million listeners a week.

3,000,000 x 5 = 15,000,000.

Rush has about 3 million listeners.

60,000,000 Americans voted for John McCain last November.

Dittoheads = less than 5% of Republicans.

Got it?

Pretty simple.

500 my facts are a little off on the Rush thing, it was a long time ago, but that's the gist of it.

501 Rush has about 3 million listeners.

Well, fuck, he is trivial, but we'll have to kill him.

502
Got it?

You didn't answer my questions, andros.

Who do you listen to for politics and shit?

503 Darling, my question was for Andros, why is HE so interested and making a big deal out of it.

504 OK,

Let us try this one more time, If Rush has 3 million listeners Monday and I kill all of them on Tuesday, how many listeners does he have on Tuesday and why did I kill all on his Monday listeners...

... Uhh, err, uhh, err, an, err, uhh, he has only 3 million, but it took me only one day to kill then all so he has no listeners now.

BUT, he was the most popular talk show host and dominated ALL local markets despite his extremist rhetoric to the exclusion of the mainstream Obama fans so I had to kill his three million listeners.

505 Andros, you are a thinker of the first order.  You have drastically changed my understanding of math.

Riddle me this and see if you can figure out your problem.  If 70 people eat food every week, does that mean 10 people eat on Monday, 10 people eat on Tuesday...

506 Andros, if you're just going to substitute your reality for the one that exists in this world there's nothing I can do about it.

I already had to explain to you he only airs new shows weekdays, so it was patently obvious a while back that you know absolutely nothing about what you're talking about and are pulling this everything here out your ass.

You're an idiot.  A monument to the folly and futility of man.

An idiot who has crossed the event horizon of stupidity never to be rescued.

Adieu.

507
wow 500 comments

and I think 200 of them are mine

508 Y'know, I gotta say, Rush sucks at speechmaking.  He's too use to his bunker and unlimited timeslot.  I like Rush, listen to him some, but that speech sucked bananas.

509 I'm touched by the warmhearted sentiments of posters such as #421 by Inspector Asshole and  #470 by Pipe Barackage. 

Stick it up your rotting ass sideways, cunt.

Wanna win elections by "redefining conservatism",  you whiny piss-soaked kneewalker? Fuck you. Want to "appeal to more people" by lying? Fuck off, snake. Think that two-fisted American Exceptionalism and conservative thought appeals only to "the base"? You're deluded, a coward, a lickspittle, and a whore addicted to Dem talking points and MSM approval.

You think that conservative thought and philosophy is "toxic"? You're a fucking pussy.

This is a lovely rant.  It also seems to be responding entirely to arguments made only in your own imagination.  Where the hell have I ever said that conservative thought and philosophy is toxic?  You would have to be actively TRYING to misread my words to get that from anything I wrote.  Especially given that I went out of my way to say the opposite several times.

You think that wanting Obama to fail is the same as wanting America to fail? You pusrag, you dirtfucking lunatic, you godforsaken knee-bent sucker of self-proclaimed aristoi - America is not Obama, Obama is not America. He is not the fucking King given Dominion no matter how badly you need to grovel in front of another man in submission, you worthless, self-loathing utter prick. Fuck off and die you pathetic monarchistic worm.

I think one of the problems with Ace's clever use of cursing is that it has led some of the people here to start tossing off the most asinine vulgarity at the drop of a hat, even when it's neither earned nor particularly well-deployed.  I'm sure you think this is awesome and cool -- hey, you're being just like Ace! -- but actually you just look like an idiot.  Particularly because, YET AGAIN, you are so eager to get out a good "rant" against me that you're attacking a position I never took, and indeed took great pains to avoid being tagged with.  Let me make my point again: obviously I don't think wanting Obama to fail is the same as wanting America to fail.  I just think there's a real danger that people are going to hear the former and -- because, hey, not everybody spends a lot of time picking apart shit the way we do, or thinking all too logically for that matter -- assume the speaker means the latter.  So the prudent thing is to not say the former in those words.  Find a better way to express the same thought.  Is this really such a traitorous thing to say?

And the whole "monarchistic" thing?  That's a real reach, even for an insult fest.

And Jeff B., I teabag in your general direction. You are a ass-swallowing jizz pimp who deserved to have his skull aired out with a .30-06. You are a pimple on the face that is America, and deserve to get yourself popped and all the oil squeezed out of you. You are the tinkle down Chris Matthews's leg.

May you and your kind die in a fire. Or a hail of gunfire.

Seriously, WTF is that about?  Do other people here actually think it's admirable for some random asshole on the internet to actually write that he hopes that my head is exploded by a thirty-ought-six shotgun shell?  Or that me and my family die an agonizing death?  All for...what, exactly?  Expressing a political disagreement as one conservative talking to other conservatives?  Seriously, dude, ask yourself: why on earth would you ever want to express these sorts of sentiments towards ANYONE who isn't a murderer or a terrorist or whatever?  What part of your mind or heart feels better after having wished for my death whilst hiding behind the safety of an anonymous moniker.

You know, I take a lot of shit in these threads, and I'm happy to give a lot too.  I have no time for "boo hoo woe is me" shit.  If I wasn't ready to defend my views, I wouldn't post them.  But when some people are wishing for my head to be caved in by bullets, I've just got to step back and wonder what the hell is wrong with you.  I can't respond to that.  It's not like there's a discussion to be had about whether or not I should die in a hailfire because I believe that conservatives need to be clever about how we publicly position ourselves right now.

And I'm glad that Russ thinks it's worth ratifying such posts by quoting them and giving high-fives for humor value. 

510

Clearly, simple math is beyond you.

Let me see if I can pass your math test Andros.

24 hours in one day

- 3 hours monitoring talk radio

- 1 hour reading Twitter updates from Axelrod

- 2 hours watching Olberman and Madcow

- 10 hours sleep

- 4 hours on your Kos diary

- 2 hours trolling this and other "wingnut" sites

Leaving you 2 hours to jerk off to pictures of Barry and Michelle

 

511
Don't take it personally, JeffB.

It's no biggie. Seriously.As Obama likes to say, it's just words. Or, just words?

Whatever. Anyway, They were just funnin' with you.

And that'll teach you to talk shit about Rush Limbaugh.

hahahaha, just kidding, man.

No, really, keep your fucking mouth shut about Rush.

^{Just kidding, man. We cool.}

_{But don't forget what I said.}

512 P.S. Andros is an asshole. 

513 Well, I think we've already seen how well the whole "reaching out to moderates" thing worked out for us in the congressional voting from 1998 to present (with a couple of GWB/WOT contra-cycles interspersed). 

Let's face it:  Republicans can't win by being Democrats who spend 10% less and don't raise taxes.  Maybe that ought to be a big enough difference in economic effects to matter, but it doesn't matter enough to turn elections.  Given the choice between an almost-Democrat and the real thing, voters inevitably go with the genuine article.

Neither Reagan nor Thatcher hedged words where it counted.  They never conceded a single inch of high ground.  It wasn't so much convincing the middle of the road voters to adopt their ideology which won them approval.  Their policies worked.

In these days of extremist leftist overreach by the ruling Party, we cannot and should not mince words nor compromise principles.  Those who would cannot be trusted in leadership positions.

514 It really does have to be said, that second comment that Jeff B. references was so far out of line it's deplorable.

515 Darling, I was very close to moderating it out of existence, but I figure I might as well let it stand.  (Yes, I'm a mod...no, I don't use the power frequently.)

Inspector Asshole's post?  It was intensely stupid (because he attacked me on the basis of positions I don't hold and explicitly denity) and its vulgarity just made it seem like he was trying too hard to fit in with the Cool Kids, but it was okay.  Heckling is part of the business, after all!  But the other guy?  That is just sick.  Words are words, yep, but that's not really my concern.  I'm just perplexed about the type of human being who would think or write that way.  That's some next-level insanity there. 

516
That's some next-level insanity there.

Yeah...

good thing he's on our side.

517

Thomas Sowell has been talking about how bad and destructive Obama's policies are. Steele better call him incindiary and ugly now.

And when is Steele gonna apologize for lettin' those racists, Hughley and his pal call Conservatives Nazi's and racists without so much as a peep?

 

518

Jeff B.- I don't see how you consider lying about what we really think about the evils of socialism to be any form of integrity.

For my part, I'm more angry that Steele let the Nazi and racist charges against Conservatives stand, than what he said about Rush, but in both cases he demonstrated bad leadership, and a lack of backbone. He certainly ain't up for the job of RNC chair, that's for sure.

519

512 P.S. Andros is an asshole. 

On this I concur wholeheartedly, Jeff. :^)

Pipe Barackage (comment 470)  is a fucking scumbag, and it's punks like him that give Conservatives a bad name (I wouldn't be surprised if he's a Leftist tryin' to stir up shit, however). And I hope the FBI finds this perp. because death threats should be taken seriously.

520 What a wonderful idea Steel was following.
Instead of distancing from obama... lets continue the trend we started about 4 years ago and distance ourselves from other republicans and steer closer to obama so we can be close to all that is shiney and good!

You fairweather "conservatives" make me sick.
You are not republiCAN's.
You are republiCANT'S
No different from highschool drama queens that throw their friends under the bus for a chance at being popular with the "in crowd."
Rush was right. Where's your guts?
Stand up and sound off like you got a fucking set or be honest and bow down to obama and suck on his pork.

521 Steele is complete failure.  Rush is just an entertainer to him?  What is D.L. Hughley then?  Worst yet, Steele gives an interview on the enemy propaganda station - CNN.  Fuck you Steele.  You don't give a damn about me or any real people.  Just do your go-along-toget-along shtick, but not as the head of the RNC.  Oh wait, they are a bunch of progressive pussies.  I guess you are where you belong, Steele.

522 OT:
Really getting tired of all who continue get all twisted because Rush spoke the truth: WE DO NOT WANT OBAMA AND HIS FACIST POLICIES TO SUCCEED! Why do we have to candy coat it? In order to continue to have a USA, Obama must fail. The left never candy coated their hope about the failure of George Bush's presidency!  Isn't  Wall Street is telling us that Obama's policies will fail?? Rush had the spine to stand up and state what a conservative is and believes. Too bad Michael Steele couldn't do that. Too bad Michael Steele hasn't been able to do anything since beconing chairman of the RNC but stick his hand out. I do not plan on putting anything in the RNC coffers until I see the platform of the RNC (start by speaking to the core values of Conservatism).

523 Any Republican pol that goes on a news show and fondles the MSM is showing their full retard RINO potential. We must have NO RINOS in the Republican party. They've got to go. Fort Marcy Park.

524 nah, JeffB.  We attack you because your ideas are stupid.  You want to continue capitulation to the MSM and east coast RINO's. 

You can have the Republican party.  That's exactly what its become.  I'll stick with conservatism.  And that ain't you.

525

I've watched Mr. Steele since he ran for governor, he was impressive. 

Watching him during this last election I changed my mind.  He was somewhat of a supporter of obama.  He is soft on the 2nd Amendment, he seems too much like some other republicans (Specter/snow).  He will not criticize Obama, but will take shots at Pelosi, as if they  are are not the same problem.  I think the republican party made a mistake in choosing him ......he cannot carry the republican message when he is really not comfortable with it.

526

We see now that Steele is vain, easily played, and lacking in all political savvy.

Watching him help the Dims maul the GOP is infuriating.

I wish him gone - ASAP.

527 You folks had better take a second look at Jeff B.  Stop putting words in his mouth and seriously think about what he's saying.

He's not saying that the GOP should be compared to the Nazis.  Let the left make that kind of bullshit argument... they are hanging themselves when they do that.  What Jeff's saying is that Rush and Ann have a tendency to harm the movement of limited government by making a comment that is impossible to defend, but gets them lots of money.  If you don't know what I'm talking about you aren't paying attention.

Too many conservatives are idiots.  They think that is a politician wavered on one of 'their' issues, that this means that politician is unacceptable forever.  They don't care that this nation is huge and has tons of competing ideas.  They don't care that the real goal of conservatism is not their personal values, but a limitation of the federal government to the point where they don't have the power to affect issues like abortion or handgun ownership or whatever.

John Mccain was a douchebag in many areas, but he was 85% of what I wanted in a president.  Tons of conservatives noted that he's not a true believer and didn't show up to vote.  Now we have trillions of pork, are discussing ripping down the missile shield, legitimizing Iran, and will get precisely NOTHING.  We NEEDED John Mccain to win.  This all or nothing crap is not intelligent.

And the sad thing is, until the true believers and RINOs can come together and work together, we are going to go nowhere.

1976 and 1980 Ronald Reagan would have been slammed by Rush Limbaugh and Ann Coulter.  They can pretend otherwise, but knowing that Reagan had many liberal positions in his past, and was willing to comprimise if he needed to, it's obvious.  Are we too dumb to find the next Reagan because that person will obviously have comprimised many times?  We need a powerful leader who knows that government is the problem, but isn't afraid to make a coalition of people he's not 100% the same as.  My own comments about that douchebag Mitt Romney are a perfect example of the problem.

I'm sincerely scared for my country's future because the conservative movement has no real leaders, and at every level we're fighting eachother.  Rush was wrong to use this opportunity to boost his profile.  He had a golden opportunity to start building a big tent that could crush the liberal insanity with, yeah, a lukewarm conservatism.  What would you trade to have Mccain or even some clown like Huckabee running things today?  We've got to work for a reachable goal!

528 It's the "middle of the roaders," such as John McCain that has led the RNC to where it is today. So please explain to me why we need to keep them in our pockets, when the reality is now should be the time of massive house cleaning.

529 Hey Barack, Rush has yet to say anything he can not defend.

The problem many - especially on the left - and certainly on the right - have with Rush is that he is a man of principle- conservative principles - and he is not for sell. He can not be bought or sold.

530 If doing what he he had to do for the GOP involves going on D. L. Hughley and giving that ranting leftist moon a verbal blow job, like Steele did, I don't want any part of it.  Steele needs to be standing up to the D. L. Hughleys, not turning on his own.  What party does he represent?

531 LOL, a Mclame supporter has the gumption to show up here on these these threads.

532 389

No one likes a brown noser.

Btw, is Ace circumcized? Geeesh.

 

Posted by: Mr. Pissed at March 02, 2009 11:31 PM

Why, you want to see his penis?

533

What Jeff's saying is that Rush and Ann have a tendency to harm the movement of limited government by making a comment that is impossible to defend, but gets them lots of money.

Ann perhaps, but it doesn't matter. Rush, not neccessary.

I've seen the way they rip comments out of context. You can't "deny them ammunition". That's what they want! This faux outrage is an attempt to shut people up.

You can't talk about anything for 4 hours a day and not say something that can be ripped out of context to look bad (and they totally rape his comments all the time to mean 180 degree opposites of what he said). You certainly can't do that and be entertaining and engauging.

You can't 'deny them ammunition'. They'll make their own. Jeff B only plays into it by giving them what the want : silence. Bland pap that says nothing and no one will listen to it.

They feign outrage to shut people up and it works, because of fear of offending moderates who aren't even fucking listening anywya. You think apolitical moderates are watching CPAC or Steele? It's like newspeak. To state simple truth has become extreme and outrageous.

And holy fuck this thread is done. Laaaaaggggg...

534 Have y'all seen Gran Torino?  There's a scene where a young woman with her boyfriend is being harassed by three thugs. At first the boyfriend tries to act cool and shit, and he's told to mind his business, and he backs off.  Clint Eastwood steps in to stop the harassment, saying, "Ever notice how you come across somebody once in a while you shouldn't have fucked with? That's me."  I feel like conservatives, the real America in flyover country is the one being harassed, Michael Steele is trying to act cool and shit, and we're looking for someone to man up and tell the ones trying to frighten us and rape us to fuck off. 

535 Entropy, I'm not really mad at Rush.  He was insulted, and he didn't deserve it.  He's much classier and smarter than Ann Coulter could ever dream of being, and I think Rush wins at least some moderates over because he's obviously a good person.

But this was a case where he had a great chance to start fixing the fundamental problem in the party.  It was brought right to the front, and he could have been a bit more magnanimous about his superior positioning as Obama tries to stomp on his free speech.

I think Rush still has that chance, but I don't know if he'll take it.

536 barack @ 527 You folks had better take a second look at Jeff B. Stop putting words in his mouth and seriously think about what he's saying.

He's not saying that the GOP should be compared to the Nazis. Let the left make that kind of bullshit argument... they are hanging themselves when they do that. What Jeff's saying is that Rush and Ann have a tendency to harm the movement of limited government by making a comment that is impossible to defend, but gets them lots of money. If you don't know what I'm talking about you aren't paying attention.


Ok, lest I be accused of putting words in someone's mouth, here is the guy's words:

he GOP should want Obama's policies to fail. You surely want Obama's policies to fail. I sure as hell want him and them to fail. BUT YOU CANNOT SAY THAT OUT LOUD. To say that out loud -- not just in the current crisis, but in any analogous crisis -- is politically suicidal because it is extremely difficult for the average voter to distinguish from wanting AMERICA to fail.


Now this observation has zero relation to reality. Want evidence? I refer you to the 2006 and 2008 elections. If you don't think this is a good stregy for the Republican party, make a good argument, but the Dems showed the last two cycles that this strategy pays dividends.

537

Hey, Jeff B

Nice dance and spin. You're wrong, though, you did continually say that stating that Obama should fail was "toxic". You suggesting "rebranding" conservatism to appeal to more people several times. So quit lying about that, buddyboy. You implied that stating truth was "wrong" and would end up being "misunderstood". You stated again and again that saying things that were TRUE even though you agreed with them was wrong - and that it was something "never to say out loud". 

That's bullshit. That's being a snake. That's trying to advance conservatism by lying.

You claimed that by stating that Obama's failure would be seen as rooting for America's failure by the enemy. Problem from where I read it was that you stated/implied  as if that were the only rational response.

^{"Americans hate it when people actively embrace a position of wishing for failure and more misery, "}

<sup>" 'Stating that he wants the man to fail is NOT the same thing as stating that he wants America to fail.  ...'.

I've got news for you: if you're splitting hairs like that, you've already lost the PR war.  "</sup>

And now you wonder why I take great offense at someone who immediately and without twitching, implies support for the President = King insanity?

First, to me the proposition is one more repulsive than someone saying "hey, let's have a nice plate of raw human flesh." Monarchism, the aristocracy, the submisson of people to a self-defined "nobility" is among the most horrific concepts I can think of.

Getting even a whiff of it makes my gut churn. I see now you merely are tolerant and understanding of monarchism where it appears. You just don't get upset by it.

So for that, I apologize. I can't truly understand it, but I can see you weren't promoting it.

But the rest? Sorry, but it was all accurate. I stand four-square behind my calls for you to shove it up your ass sideways as well.

Have a pleasant morning.

 

 

538 barack (geez I hate that name), you - along with Michael Steel and other leaders in the RNC will be best served by learning real fast that Rush Limbaugh has his pulse on the conservatives of this nation- and he's right- we are NOT the minority and we are PISSED!

Screw winning over these so called "moderates." They have to be carried anyway and if seeing the destruction Obama is heaping on this country does not "win them over" to our side then nothing will.

Conservativism wins every time and no one has to pander when using it.

You know what's so great about Rush? He does not lie. He does not hold his tongue. He gives a verbal thrashing when necessary and praise when well earned.

Screw the moderates. Let them sink or swim. It's time for conservatives to unify, loudly share their outrage and take this country back from the leftist loons hell bent on destroying it.

539
It just occurred to me that Steele's "entertainer" comment was a super sly nuanced fisting of the comedian & the rapper entertainers he was suffering to speak with.

+1 Steele

-1 Steele for that bit acquiescence to the National Socialist slam. Especially given the whole Obamagleichschaltungmeisterführer vibe that's been sweeping the nation's looter class off its feet with glorious visions of racial purity and skittlenomic redistribution.

Sharpen your sack bud.

540 notice how the moderates are starting to figure out that obama isn't a centrist.  of course, they aren't issuing apologies but are instead continuing to tread water and find an excuse to knock conservatives.  get it, they were the morons and rubes yet it's the Republican party that is at fault.

541

I am so sick of seeing comments where the fucking loser squishies attack Rush and Ann C. because they have the temerity to stand up on their hind legs and actually attack the liberals.

 

You fucking squishies have destroyed the Republican Party since Reagan got out of office, so STFU, get out of the fucking way and let the real conservatives have at it now while we still have a party left to save.

542 I'm seeing many comments around the blogosphere about Rush's addiction to LEGAL pain killers.

Considering Obama was a dope smoking coke snorter and many in the drive by media are alcoholics, do they really want to go there?

543

332 OregonMuse suggests it's OK if we become commies for seventy years so long as we eventually come out of it?

Why not? With the Democrats now entrenched in power and the GOP being run by a bunch of douchewhistles and bumblefucks, it's getting increasingly difficult for me to even care any more.

Trust me on this, when your digging coal in one of The One's camps and it's 20 below, you'll care. Ask any escaped commie.

Kemp

544 Max, you see... that's not the same.  Rush may have had a medical problem and got addicted to prescribed medication, as happens to a lot of people, and paid a dear price for it, but he's a right winger who notes that drug abuse is bad.  Therefore he cannot do any wrong.

Obama may have bought and dealt coke at Columbia with black panthers and Charles Manson fans, but he is a left winger, and nothing is truly 'wrong', so he isn't a hypocrite.

You see, if you don't admit anything is wrong, you can't fall short of your standards.  If you aim high morally, and fall short, you are the absolute worst thing ever.

Wouldn't the world be better if no one ever tried to be moral?  Then, no one would fall short!

545 Vic, you are saying I'm 'attacking' Ann and Rush because they attack liberals...

why?

That's clearly not the case.  This isn't about 'who's the toughest most macho most in your face republican'.  Ann Coulter costs the GOP votes.  She knows it.  Calling John Edwards a faggot is not a sensible way to convince people of her views... but it is a great way to sell books.

she's free to do what she wants, though.  I don't care at all.  But she's not a leader of the conservative movement.  She's the reason Obama is president.  It is her fault.  I am sick and tired of idiots who think being a good conservative means shouting down conservatives who don't like Ann Coulter.  She's dumb.  MUCH dumber than me and much uglier.  She can't convince anyone to join us.  She's only rallying a base that did as she asked and did not show up to vote for Mccain.  Now, we have a much worse country.

You guys are such cowards.  'I'm tired of defending my country!  I don't care anymore!  Let it be communist for a while!  Maybe Obama will make us suffer, and then they'll love us hard core Ann coulter fans!'

Fuck that.  I'm willing to comprimise on a John Mccain or Mitt Romney or Ronald Reagan (who only is lionized by the hard right after the fact... they hated him when it counted).  I'm willing to let in gay republicans, pro choice republicans, Neo cons, evangelists, gun rights supporters, gun law supporters.... anyone who realizes that government is the problem.

But I can't reach out to these people, because too many of this hardened crowd of zealots can't comprimise.  Well, until you can, we are fucked.  We were not fucked with Bush in charge, even though he annoyed me endlessly.  We are fucked now, but man is Ann Coulter selling those books!

My criticisms of Rush are tempered to a great degree and he doesn't deserve to be thrown in with Ann.

546

Upon reflection, I think I owe Mr. Jeff B more of an explanation as to my anger at his position; i.e., that conservatism needs to be rebranded or changed to appeal to moderates. That conservative ideals must be nuanced or danced about in order to make the ""best" impression, contra to the simple and plain meaning. I see that as saying that conservative ideals are evidently not appealing to anyone outside of the base. This, in my opinion and in my experience is absolutely false.

What angers me about it is that by saying so, you accept and internalize the bias of the MSM. You give up the high ground. you cede the battleground before you even pick up your rhetorical weapon. You break the first rule - never cede anything to an opponent. By allowing them to frame the question, by allowing them to browbeat you into believing that simple truths somehow cannot be said aloud, you give them control over your beliefs and over your speech. You kneel before you start to stand.

You then end up trying to geld conservatism in order to please your enemies.

Conservatism as a philosophy is as it stands is appealing to most of the United States throughought our history. Radical leftism has always been the philosophy that has been forced to use lying and misstatements and 'nuance' to avoid the ugliness of its' true face.

Conservatism is not ugly. Liberal radicalism, socialism in all but name is ugly. It is power and control for the sake of power itself. It is anti-liberty, anti-individuality, anti-ambition, and is only ascendant due to the long seige of the institutions of American dialogue by cliques of the disguised fellow-travellers.

They are the cause of misunderstanding, of taking quotes out of context, of the idea of equating Conservative with fascism. They are the cause and mothers of lies.

Demanding that we lie to suit their filtering, their editorializing, that's the way to smother new conservative growth.

We have nothing to be ashamed of, and the fault in understanding is the cause of the radical left. We should not be ashamed - we should not be "cautious", we should be speaking wtih one solid and uncompromising voice when we are misquoted and impugned.

"Tailoring" or "rebranding" the conservative message is admitting defeat and asking for forgiveness by the press. Don't do it, that's what a wussy would do.

We're not wussies. We're Conservatives, and damned proud of it. Let THEM apologize, let THEM scramble to explain their biases, let THEM be unable to edit out real conservatism when we constantly present it without shame or hesitation. Either they will end up not showing ANY conservative (failing at covering up their biases) or they will end up being caught out by our message, unable to halt it (failing at suppression).

Don't let the enemy define jack shit. Don't be afraid of them. They're failures waiting to topple. Don't cede them anything.

Defining a truth as "something you cannot ever say" is surrender. Don't do that.

547 you guys are kinda hopeless.

Sad thing is, I'm far less moderate than any of you.  I'm probably the most right wing person on this thread.  I'm just aware of how critical it is that we play the game.  That we go to war with the army we have.

Rush is wrong.  Steele is doing it right, but he's not going to be able to win because he dissed an entertainer as an entertainer.

548

Steele is a disaster and either a dupe or intentionally sabotaging the GOP.  Get rid of him, now.

549

We're not wussies. We're Conservatives, and damned proud of it. Let THEM apologize, let THEM scramble to explain their biases, let THEM be unable to edit out real conservatism when we constantly present it without shame or hesitation. Either they will end up not showing ANY conservative (failing at covering up their biases) or they will end up being caught out by our message, unable to halt it (failing at suppression).

Don't let the enemy define jack shit. Don't be afraid of them. They're failures waiting to topple. Don't cede them anything.

This is actually a fair point.  I agree that core conservative principles don't need to be dandied up into some sort of cotton-candy confection for consumption by the masses: they appeal on a gut level.

But you're kidding yourself if you don't think conservatism has a major image problem right now.  People don't think of core Goldwater principles, they think of Bush and DeLay and runaway spending.  They think of this financial crisis, which threatens to be staplegunned to economic conservatism and discredit it for decades the way Coolidge's brilliant Presidency was unfairly tarred with the Great Depression.  Don't tell me that Bush and Congress were terrible as economic conservatives -- I know.  Don't tell me that the financial crisis has its roots in Democratic policies and intransigence every bit as much as Republican -- I know.  That's the truth, but the truth doesn't matter.  It's like The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance: when the legend becomes history, they're gonna print the legend.  So we DO need to do a great job at this crucial juncture in positioning and selling conservatism -- distancing ourselves from the massive fuckups and deviations from core values of the Bush era, opposing Obama's New New Deal smartly and vociferously -- or else we run the risk of getting ground under a juggernaut of smug liberal consensus.

Let's not kid ourselves: conservatism faces its gravest threat in generations.  We have to get this right, and a huge part of that IS about selling our ideas to America.  Often I see people floating the idea of a long Goldwateresque retooling in the wilderness doing the GOP some good, but I've gotta ask you: what kind of country do you think we're going to return to when we're finished with that?  During the time we cede the field (and people like Rush and Coulter are helping us cede the field with their self-defeating public language), Obama will be busy remaking America in his own image.

550

barack,

Ann Coulter didn't lose the election for us. John McCain did when he was nominated by Democrats in open primaries. John McCain did when he severally supported McCain-Feingold, McCain-Kennedy, McCain-Lieberman. John McCain lost John McCain's chance at the White House.

And the reason that Obama won?

In 1905, America was invaded by the IWW and the ISS. Their fellow travellers and sycophants, their supporters and useful idiots paved the way for full blown Leninist infiltration in the 1920's and 1930's.

In 1962, an offshoot of the ISS (Intercollegiate Socialist Society) was activated by the KGB to foment civil unrest in the USA, provide cover and infiltration routes for agents, and to collect and disseminate propoganda . That offshoot was named the SDS (Students for a Democratic Society), a wholly owned and operated branch of the Kremlin. SDS devolved into many subgroups like the Weathermen. Gave support to Alinsky (Rules for Radicals, a favorite of Obama). Urged radicals into positions in academy and into the press, taking advantage of already-seated earlier radicals in the editorial field.

And then came their shining chance with Obama. 90% of the coverage was slanted and overly biased, but outside of Fox, the press refused to report on their competitors.

Obama was chosen years ago by our enemies. He was tutored by radicals, and was given cover by dupes. he ran against a man who made his disdain for conservatives and conservative thought a badge of honor and who knowingly supported non-Constitutional legislation.

Ann Coulter did not cost John McCain the election. McCain just failed and Obama was shoved into place.

551

a huge part of that IS about selling our ideas to America.

Nobody does that better then Rush.

Sure as hell not Steele.

552 you guys are kinda hopeless.

Sad thing is, I'm far less moderate than any of you.  I'm probably the most right wing person on this thread.  I'm just aware of how critical it is that we play the game.  That we go to war with the army we have.

Rush is wrong.  Steele is doing it right, but he's not going to be able to win because he dissed an entertainer as an entertainer.

This is what's getting me depressed as well.  When I made my arguments in this thread, fifty different people jumped in to scream "MOBY!" or "YOU'RE NOT A REAL CONSERVATIVE!"  Jesus Christ, if you actually knew me in life you'd never say that.  I'm as committed to the cause as it comes...and right now I'm feeling equal despair over Obama and his budget-busting antics AND over the outright refusal of so many people in our base (online at least) to realize that their attitude makes them look and sound like the mirror___ of Kossites.  All the way down to the "you have to play hardball and be a rude, vile, vulgar shit -- it's what the other side is doing!" 

I remember, back here on AoS in 2003-2004, we would talk about that attitude and make fun of the Kos looneys who justified their behavior that way.  Now it seems a ton of people are accepting it.  Because they're trying to rationalize our losses in '06 and '08 as being due to our "not fighting dirty enough," I suppose.  But of course that's not why we lost.  We lost in '06 because Bush was a colossal fuck-up, Iraq looked like a terrible mess, and the GOP Congress deserved to get its ass kicked for its bloated complacency anyway.  We lost in '08 because we ran a flawed candidate up against The Liberal Messiah during the worst financial crisis in living memory. 

I'm pretty sure the reason we lost isn't because we didn't call John Edwards "faggot" enough times.  Or wish for the public failure and destruction of our enemies, Conan-style.  That stuff is all well and good to say on a blog, or joke about, but it shouldn't be coming from the mouths of our spokespeople.  You have to play the game.  You have to win elections.  Don't confuse it with being a "pussy" or "selling out."  It's about winning. 

553

She's the reason Obama is president

 

I called out no names and I detest flame wars. But that statement above clearly illustrates the ignorance of political realities. AC is not the reason we have a communist in the White House. Anyone who can count and who has bothered to actually look at the election returns for the States that switched knows that the reason we have a communist in the WH is JOHN STUMBLEFUCK MCCAIN.  The4 conservatives looked at McLame and most of them sat at home on election day. Note that I did not do that. As discusted with McLame as I was I went down and voted for Palin in the RAIN! That was the last time I will do something like that seeing as how the squishy wing threw her under the bus afterwards.

 

So why did we have a candidate like McLame? Because of squishies in the Party controlling the primary rules and pushing a liberal agenda that they call “centrist”. Their clarion call during the primaries was “we must move to the center and John McCain can get us States like PA and NY.  Instead what he got us was a turnover of formerly Red States and a blowout in those blue States that were instrumental in nominating his sorry ass. He did not carry a single county in VT; not one fucking county but he won the Republican primary there!

 

So to sum it up; I called no names but your statement clearly shows you to be a member of the squishy “centrist” wing regardless of your protests to the contrary.

 

So that being said; STFU, get out of the way, and let the real conservatives run the party. If we get a blowout like McLame did then you can talk and we will get out of the party.

554

Sad thing is, I'm far less moderate than any of you.  I'm probably the most right wing person on this thread. 

Yes, and I'm the tooth fairy. Pleased to meet you.

555

She's dumb.  MUCH dumber than me and much uglier. 

Don't sell yourself short like that. You're plenty dumb, at least as dumb as she is.

556

But I can't reach out to these people, because too many of this hardened crowd of zealots can't comprimise. 

 

Wait, I thought you were the most right wing person on this thread? Sounds like those darn hardeded zealots are even more right wing than you!

557

Ann Coulter lost Mccain the election? Ha ha ha ha! Where are all these people that voted for Obama because they didn't like what AC or RL said?

That premise is false and i can easily prove it. If a moderate of independent vote based on who annoys them the most, then they should've voted for McCain, because the Left has far bigger bomb throwers and far more than the right has, many who are far more famous than AC. And quite a few that are more famous than even Rush.

Dozens of Hollywood stars, and artists stumped for Obama by calling the right racist and nazi's and by smearing McCain on the few good points he had. The entire MSM also did this, led by all three of the anchors, Olbyman and Matthews just to name a few.

Then theres Jon Stewart, Colbert, SNL, MTV...shall I go on? Add to that an economy tanking because of the democrats, and the fact that McCain wasn't all that different than Obama when talking about social policies and the economy.

Oh, and McCain blew it at the debates, being the nice guy he is...towards democrats. Never brought up the fact that Obama was using class warfare or why socialism is bad (like Rush so elequently explained) or the fact that socialism has never worked throughout history and has had disasterous results.

Never brought up Wright either. Why not? Character don't matter any more? Oh that's right, because Mccain had to prove how nice he was. He just whimpered anytime Obama threatened to use the race card.

And as others mentioned, he was elected by a screwed up primary system to begin with. And he launched an assault on the First Ammendment, and yes some of the GOP helped him, sad to say. The irony is that stupid Mccain/Feingold bill only helps the democrats and hurts the GOP because money is important in elections, especially when the MSM and Hollywood is in the can for Obama. Brilliant idea, John!

Now, tell me again exactly how AC and/or RL "lost" the election for Mccain?

 

558

During the time we cede the field (and people like Rush and Coulter are helping us cede the field with their self-defeating public language),

See, here. Right here is the problem and the disagreement. Their language is not self-defeating. The MSM took perfectly sensible remarks which would never need explanation if one was not innately hostile already and mutated it into what you now call "self defeating'.

I call it "being lied about by the enemy"

And the funnuy thing is, no matter who is going to say whatever, the MSM will always bastardize, corrupt, and twist anything a conservative says just because They. Are. The. Enemy.

I challenge you to review in full and in context those "quotes" that have you all fired up with spoon-fed indignation. I doubt you watched Rush's 90 minute CPAC speech all the way through, nor do I suspect you've regularly listened to him at all for the last few years except for what "offends" the media. You do yourself a disservice by missing it.

The problem isn't Rush or AC. The problem is people like you relying on the media and not considering the MSM's current condition as being as big a problem to solve and as big an enemy to attack as everything else on your list of top issues.

Yes, Rush is misquoted by the media constantly. They twist everything that he says, make him into a demon to scare certain portions of the populace. Yes, AC is a bogeyman of the press, she's ridiculed all the time by people who, if you thought about it, you wouldn't trust to scrape dried dogshit off your boots.

You're giving up . You are seeing the media as all-powerful. But the other thing is, you think that if we soft-step around, casually "shade the truth", or use "soft language'/avoid certain truths,  the media will allow some sort of message to pass unperverted by their mouthpieces. That's a deadly error.

You say that Rush uses "self defeating " language, as if anything said by a conservative won't be corrupted and twisted by the media as the same. It will always be the content that is attacked because the media hates us and wants us to fail. The Media thinks we are inferior to them. The MSM wants to eliminate us. The MSM is never going to give anyone conservative any leeway, no matter how "temperate" the language until we shame them publically and force them to change.

All conservative language will be twisted,. In the eyes of the media, anything anyone says on the right is "self-defeating". Censoring our selves to please our enemies is surrender.

559

I'm pretty sure the reason we lost isn't because we didn't call John Edwards "faggot" enough times. 

It's not a factor one way or the other. The voters did not care that the left constantly called Bush "Hitler". And they don't care if we call Edwards 'Faggot" or Obama "Chimpy".

The idea that the voters are like a stern parent waiting to smack the GOP down if anyone associated with it misbehaves seems to be oddly popular in some circles. But it's a complete fiction.

560

Americans hate it when people actively embrace a position of wishing for failure and more misery, regardless of the seemingly principled reasons behind such incendiary statements. This is because Americans don't like assholes.

I guess that's why I don't like you, Jeff B. You're an asshole.

 

If you're that hung up about so-called "incendiary statements", then what the fuck are you doing at this blog? And you can pose that same question to Ace, that guy who regularly says stuff which Rush would never dream of and then goes into this whole school-marm routine.

More and more these days I come to this site and wonder if I did not wander into Frums place by mistake.

561

But I can't reach out to these people, because too many of this hardened crowd of zealots can't comprimise. 

Honestly, it sounds like he's trying to hold a concensus.

Please, no brutality! We're trying to do this democratically!

562

What I'm saying is that your suggestion of tempering language to fit the media's espectations is not going to reduce the lies told about conservatives. Will never reduce the numbers of times the media portrays us unfairly and wrongly. Will never break through the negative propaganda to anyone because the Media will maintain it forever.

What is needed is to come out swinging, now and from now on, never letting the media get away with jack . Get in their faces all the time, never let down, never allow them to get away with "nuance" or spin. They NEED to have us on the news, so issue statements condemning the last bullshit remark by the last apparatchik encountered on their network. Don't let up, demand an on-air apology before giving them anything for the next day. These are the enemy, it is now time to take the fight to them. Body punches, work them silly, make them duck and hurt and look like the arrogant bastards they've always been.

They've been attacking, hurting us for years. They've weakened America, have propagandized for terrorists, have released details of secret programs and damaged our country as severely as any saboteur ever has. The fight's already been going on. Don't kid yourself, it's time to start punching back hard. It is not time to make nice. It is time to beat them rhetorically senseless.

563 I find it amusing that Russ gets all worked up about Steele failing to smack down the Nazi canard and then turns around and does the exact same thing to Ron Paul, who -- whatever his faults may be -- has been right from the beginning. If Ron Paul were the mad doctor people make him out to be, he could defensibly claim to have Shown Us All.

564

Amen! Oh, I'm sorry. I hope that wasn't too incindiary and ugly. I reckon it doesn't matter anyway since the head of the RNC passively allows racist punks to call us Nazi's. He's gonna be a big help...to the donks.

565 Inspector Asshole -

What I'm saying is that your suggestion of tempering language to fit the media's espectations is not going to reduce the lies told about conservatives. Will never reduce the numbers of times the media portrays us unfairly and wrongly. Will never break through the negative propaganda to anyone because the Media will maintain it forever.

Your point is well-taken: the media hates us, and will seize on any excuse to make us look bad, divide us amongst ourselves (example: this Rush/Steele bullshit), or caricature us.  Nothing we can do will change that.  But even as we accept this reality and come up with ways to work around, to message ourselves over the heads of the press, we still need to be cognizant of reality.  Here's a fact: whether we like it or not, and no matter how creative we are, the national media still drives the news narratives right now.  So even as we pursue other strategies, we should understand that the First Principle of public relations in a hostile media environment is not to score OWN GOALS by giving the media inflammatory pull quotes that can't be defended without sucking oxygen away from promoting the agenda. 

I have nothing against a full-throated "let's take it to these media fuckers" approach to conservative PR. I just think that if you're going to pursue that strategy you need to realize you're walking a big tightrope.  You can only get away with that tone if you're otherwise perfectly on point and deny them avenues for attack.  In the Rush situation, for example, none of this would be an issue if he had packed fire and brimstone into a slightly different wording: "Obama's policies will lead to failure and disaster, and we must oppose them."  That's every bit as pungent and to-the-point as saying "I hope he fails," and it doesn't carry any negative connotations either.

What is needed is to come out swinging, now and from now on, never letting the media get away with jack . Get in their faces all the time, never let down, never allow them to get away with "nuance" or spin. They NEED to have us on the news, so issue statements condemning the last bullshit remark by the last apparatchik encountered on their network. Don't let up, demand an on-air apology before giving them anything for the next day. These are the enemy, it is now time to take the fight to them. Body punches, work them silly, make them duck and hurt and look like the arrogant bastards they've always been.

You're speaking to my heart here.  My contempt for the MSM knows no bounds, and I regularly daydream about just such an approach.  But if you're going to adopt this tone, you need to play the game flawlessly on your side otherwise, because you know damn well that the very media you're railing on and talking over will be gunning for you.  It's the "Caesar's Wife" paradigm: she must be above suspicion.

As a side note, I just want to say that I appreciate your willingness to engage with me on the substance of this issue.  As I said earlier, your initial insult-fest was annoying because it attacked positions I didn't hold, but it was still basically okay given what we're willing to accept at AoS.  However, the fact that you returned to go beyond that, and actually argue the matter with me, and explain where you were coming from, is something I respect a lot.

That other guy though -- the thirty-ought-six one -- can go to hell.

566 BTW, that amen was for Inspector A's comment, not Ken's poorly researched comment.

567

Ken @ 563:

  "For all his faults"????

Ron Paul refused to distance himself from his supporters who also happen to be Stormfront Nazis.  Not simply white Republicans or "sellout Uncle Toms" like Steele.  Actual, self-identified white supremacist nazis.  Do I think Ron Paul is a Nazi?  No, but he's shown himself to be fairly comfortable taking their campaign contributions.

568

  Jeff B.:

  I just thought of something that might temper your opinion of Rush's "I hope he fails" comment.  Rush Limbaugh has consistently put forth a message that your individual success has very little to do with government policies.  Witness his "you should choose not to participate in a recession" meme.  With this long track record of telling his listeners that government can do little to help them, but can hurt them by acting wrongly, I think it's reasonable to interpret his "I hope he fails" comment to mean that he wants Obama's policies to fail, not the American economy.

  Unless your whole point is that Rush should stop talking altogether, in order to prevent his words from being taken out of context.  If you start editing your comments so that liars cannot smear your cause, then you've already lost the whole fucking war and you should just go rushing off the cliff like a good little lemming.

569

I'm more confident. Below I will offer one way to start.

If you start with the assumption that everything you say will be butchered and instead think, "Hmm, my point is to hurt these guys. That will help sell conservative ideals, because inevitably the Media has to respond and when they do, some people are going to go for the full sources"

First, research the interviewer. Each conservative should begin by criticising the person and/or their employer and the egregious lies they've recently told.

Second, explain that you appreciate they will lie about you and take things out of context. Smile at them with disappointed kindness. (practice this expression ).

Third, explain that if they misquote or twist your statements, they should expect the next conservative to rake them over the coals about it, even if you yourself are never called back.

Each and every appearance by the reps of the RNC and other Conservative bodies should begin in this manner. Before ever saying "Hello, glad to be here." the tone should be "Yeah, you're the enemy."

Confrontational? You better believe it. But now is the best time. We can document the smears, can track the 'journalists' and their records with online databases, we can get body punches in where it hurts - their egos.

It would require a conscious decision by two or three people appearing within a short period of time to treat their interviewers the same.

Use of anti-media language is critical. Refer to interviewers as 'interrogators', refer to CNN as "the news organization that gleefully broadcast terrorist propaganda". etc. Have 10 to 15 language changes/redefintions common among the interviewees to use and consciously reuse the same referents. This re-defines not only your antagonist, but his status, his motives, his job, and his attitude. Define your enemy, capture language, restate defintions in subsequent appearances among highly quotable colleagues.

Weave the language hits in the body of your statements. Watch them wince, especially when someone you didn't organize with picks up your definitions.

And smile, because hurting an enemy is funny. Show how much you're enjoying it.

 

570

barack and Jeff B.

i'm glad you came here and argued your points, but we don't agree, most of the posters here don't agree, you can say we are the minority and dismiss us, can't stop you from doing that, but ask yourself this... how's that been working for ya lately?

571

Why didn't Steele question the questioner, and ask why he felt like there needed to be ONE face of the Republican Party?  Steele could have followed up by saying there's lots of faces, and it's (the Republican Party) a big tent, with plenty of room for everyone.... with one unifying theme -- the "tent" is "a belief in liberty." 

 

Problem solved.  Mollify both sides.  Steele should know better. 

572 Jeff B. @ March 03, 2009 12:46 PM (rq3XC): "So even as we pursue other strategies, we should understand that the First Principle of public relations in a hostile media environment is not to score OWN GOALS by giving the media inflammatory pull quotes that can't be defended without sucking oxygen away from promoting the agenda."

"Inflammatory" quotes will be whatever the hell the MSM/Dems make it to be. They will manufacture them. You freakin' know this. You cannot debate while walking on eggshells. State what you believe and then call people on the carpet for twisting what has been said. Challenge the technique being used by the interviewer (or party hack) to frame the debate and do not move on to something else even if the interviewer decides that a segment needs to move on. If they tell you, "Let's move on...," don't. Your obligation moves to educating the viewer about the wonkery in play. Make the viewer informed.  That is the responsibility of those, like Steele, when handling "inflammatory" quotes. Such quotes will always exist because certain domains want them to exist. It's as inescapable as night and day. Take control and don't accept the premise.


"You're speaking to my heart here. My contempt for the MSM knows no bounds, and I regularly daydream about just such an approach. But if you're going to adopt this tone, you need to play the game flawlessly on your side otherwise, because you know damn well that the very media you're railing on and talking over will be gunning for you. It's the 'Caesar's Wife' paradigm: she must be above suspicion."

Newsflash: They were already gunning for you.

In the brouhaha of the day, Rush went to great lengths to say "exactly" what he said, why he said it, and what the response would be because he knows politics and the interplay of media as well as anyone alive. This is his domain and he knew exactly what he was doing, and it wasn't because he was ginning up sales for a book or an audience like some might suggest. He knew the MSM/Dems would run with it because that is what they do. They're disingenuous propagandists. You cannot avoid propaganda by speaking softly around topics because, then, you can never say anything, especially in this soundbyte age where info is doled out in 30-second to 5-minute segments. A snippet is always available for slicing. It's wholly unavoidable. Might as well give up contemporaneous discussion and relegate all POVs to paper only... and even then the context will be removed as those hacks feed their audience what they want to feed it.

The trick is not to allow the host to move on until the point, any point, is perfectly clear. And these spokespeople should know this going in. They are already a target before sitting in the chair.

573

I just think that if you're going to pursue that strategy you need to realize you're walking a big tightrope.  You can only get away with that tone if you're otherwise perfectly on point and deny them avenues for attack.

That's idiotic. You can't "deny them ammo" it's impossible.

You CAN'T talk for 4 straight hours every day and have every single phrase so cautiously worded and focus-grouped that it can't be purposefully misconstrued by Media Matters and then quoted by AP.

Can't be done. If you do do it, you will say SHIT for 4 hours. Shit in a boring way. No one will listen to the show  - no one heres the conservative message. Everyone tunes out. Politicians too - they're boring and stale and detatched and phony sounding.

You can't do that. You have to fight the smears, fight the miscaricaturization, and defend other conservatives. Not distance yourself from them.

574 USS Ben: I did not say "I will". That means my ass is covered by the first amendment. And your ass has no right to call for me to be investigated, as I have not actually said "I will". You should have joined the Marines, because whatever service you're in made you into a pussy.

And Jeff B., the day that your kind is pushed back down into the recesses where you deserve to be is the day that I will rest from criticizing people like you, David Frum, Kathleen Parker, and others. The Conservative Movement does not need people like you in it, and neither does the GOP. Register as a Dem and get the hell out of our sight, you hill of toxic dirt and sheep manure.

575 I realize that 574 other comments have been made to this thread, but I'm mad as hell and a faster typer.

JeffB - Here's $20, go join the Democrat party. You're an idiot. You know nothing about conservative principles and individual responsibility. Get the hell out.

I attended all 4 days of CPAC. I sat on the 2nd row center right in front of Rush and I'll tell you this - it was nothing like a Nazi meeting. There was nothing in there that would have led any SANE person to think it was National Socialist or Hilter-esque. Michael Steele not defending me in that audience to Aaron Sorkin's best black buddy Hughley, is despicable.

I will hold onto my money and talents and Steele can suck it. Suck it.

576

JDW @ #180:

The Corialanus quote:

”The one side must have bale"

[bale = archaic word for "woe" or "sorrow," akin to the modern "baleful"]

 is especially apt if the preceding two lines are included:

"But make you ready your stiff bats and clubs;

Rome and her rats are at the point of battle,

The one side must have bale…"

So, Michael Steele, is you a Roman or is you a rat?

 

 

577 I know it's an over simplification but the GOP needs to function under hockey rules: "You can check your teammates, you can hate your teammates and you can, if it's bad enough, even fight your teammates, in practice. BUT, never forget the game. You never let taking care of in-house business hurt the team on the ice."

578 Can someone just fire Steele and all his apologists and tell them the way to the DNC headquaryters.  And Ace maybe someday you'll have the influence and stature to be dissed by Steele for your ugly and incendiary remarks.

579 574 USS Ben: I did not say "I will". That means my ass is covered by the first amendment. And your ass has no right to call for me to be investigated, as I have not actually said "I will". You should have joined the Marines, because whatever service you're in made you into a pussy.

And Jeff B., the day that your kind is pushed back down into the recesses where you deserve to be is the day that I will rest from criticizing people like you, David Frum, Kathleen Parker, and others. The Conservative Movement does not need people like you in it, and neither does the GOP. Register as a Dem and get the hell out of our sight, you hill of toxic dirt and sheep manure.

Posted by: Pipe Barackage at March 03, 2009 02:50 PM (Z9IOH)

I wouldn't be so sure of that, bub. My point is, that kind of shit you were spewing is over the line, and either you are too stupid to realize it, or you intentionally do it to get attention rather than attempt to debate or simply express your anger by ranting.

If you are a Conservative you should know that what you said is dishonorable, indecent, vile, and fucking cowardly. The Marines sure don't teach that shit, and you aren't worthy to use their good name in your sick and twisted comments.

BTW, it's easy to find my e-mail, and if you so desire you can contact me personally, and I'll give you directions to where I live if you ever wanna speak to me face to face. And I'll be happy to show you first hand who the real pussy here is. But you don't have the balls to do that.

 

580 Amazing how Rethuglicans are good with throwing their supposed "family values' out the window to support the lard ass sweaty pig that is Rushbo.

Let's see..

Divorced 3 times, drug addict and convicted felon and loves underage hookers for latin america..

Kinda like vittters and craig..

581 That is some weak-ass trolling, norethug.  Come back when you get some hair, down there.

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