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Final (?) Updated on Hitchens and the Battle of Beirut

Finally a first-hand account from Michael Totten.

When Hitch checks in, this will officially be over.

Posted by: Ace at 09:18 AM



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1

I read this over at Hot Ari.  Drunk and stupid is no way to travel in a foreign country, even if you do have a press pass and a British accent.

He's lucky he's alive.  Hobo's over there, obviously fight back.  That explains why Ace, expert hobo hunter, didn't get hurt.

Amateurs.

Kemp

Posted by: kempermanx at February 26, 2009 09:24 AM (2+9Yx)

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Yes,” Christopher said. “They’re the worst. And also a Greek Orthodox repressed homosexual wankers organization, I think.”

I have no idea what that means, just that it needs to be posted here.

Posted by: MamaAJ at February 26, 2009 09:27 AM (X6Zdh)

3 @Kemp,

Read the article, they werent even close to being drunk.

Posted by: RiteWingFascist at February 26, 2009 09:41 AM (1hSHv)

4 The Goddess Irony says Hitch may just have proved the existence of God and that God will let you get a beat down before He saves your sorry ass.


Posted by: eman at February 26, 2009 09:52 AM (Ee8qq)

5 I still don't get how you let some third world Habib grab your friend and don't immediately knock him the fuck out and get the hell outta there.

Posted by: Michael Moore's bleeding anus at February 26, 2009 09:56 AM (fkgyi)

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Most telling line from the story:  Christopher wouldn’t strike his assailant

While I applaud Hitch's standing orders about defacing any swastika on sight, he completely forgets that you sometimes need to back that up with fists, knives, guns, etc especially when you're in their hood.  Like Totten said, they could have been 'disappeared' but luckily they didn't end up that way.  Hitch should be prepared to have his ass kicked every time he wants to make his presence known if he can't or won't hit cockholsters like these.

Posted by: EC at February 26, 2009 09:57 AM (mAhn3)

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Sounds like these thugs would fit right in with our skinheads. 

Hitchens needs to learn how to apply an armbar.  Nothing says I love you like a broken arm. 

Posted by: polynikes at February 26, 2009 09:59 AM (m2CN7)

8 I disagree with Ace. I don't think that we'll have heard the end of this until we hear the story from the POV of the Syrian Nazis. I suggest a UN fact-finding commission.

Posted by: Dan Collins at February 26, 2009 10:02 AM (SohFK)

9 Yeh, I really don't get "you're evil and I'm going to say so, but I won't physically defend myself".

Posted by: MamaAJ at February 26, 2009 10:04 AM (X6Zdh)

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3 @Kemp,

Read the article, they werent even close to being drunk

It is my understanding that Hitch wakes up blowing over a 2.0.  Could be wrong, doubt it.

Kemp


 

Posted by: kempermanx at February 26, 2009 10:09 AM (qvT/A)

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Saying "you're an evil Nazi scumbag" but not physcially defending yourself is still letting them win.  It does no good at all when you still allow good people to be terrorized by lowlife thugs even after you get away with saying something to their faces.  How many beatings are you willing to take for your mouth?  Hitch should take some Krav Maga lessons before going anywhere in the Middle East again.

Posted by: EC at February 26, 2009 10:13 AM (mAhn3)

12 I know things happened quickly, but it was three against one at the beginning...they should have kicked him in the nuts, and hailed a taxi.

Posted by: NIce Deb at February 26, 2009 10:15 AM (MHx40)

13 I hate Syrian Nazis.

Posted by: 'Joliet Jake' Blues at February 26, 2009 10:24 AM (fagDq)

14 I don't think that we'll have heard the end of this until we hear the story from the POV of the Syrian Nazis.

I'm sure Salon is working on that right now.

Posted by: shibumi at February 26, 2009 11:01 AM (tZB/c)

15 Yeh, I really don't get "you're evil and I'm going to say so, but I won't physically defend myself".

Saying "you're an evil Nazi scumbag" but not physcially defending yourself is still letting them win.  It does no good at all when you still allow good people to be terrorized by lowlife thugs even after you get away with saying something to their faces.  How many beatings are you willing to take for your mouth?  Hitch should take some Krav Maga lessons before going anywhere in the Middle East again.

Some of you forget that deep down that Hitch could be best described as a lite version of a Jackson Democrat (Scoop or Andy, it don't matter).  He feels that evil needs to be confronted, each in his own way.  He does it by using the word and the pen (literally in this case); he leaves the heavy lifting (fists, knives, firearms, RPGs, SAMs, air strikes, thermonuclear AGMs) to others.

I'm not sure if it would have done him some good to actually have his ass kicked.  Don't know if he would have decided to set his response meter up or down a notch.  Oh well, that's for another day (if he ever gets in that position again).

Posted by: David in San Diego at February 26, 2009 11:13 AM (GF+6V)

16 Wow, that was an intense story. Totten is The Man of foreign journalism. All the reporters for all the news agencies should swan dive off the tops of their buildings in despair at being out-resourced, and out-written by him.

Good for Hitch to make a stand! However, like Totten sagely observes (and he should know) always make sure you have an exit or engagement strategy in hand before taking said stand. Or else it could become your Last Stand. Hitchens has been in the land of reasonably acting peole too long. He went among the unreasonable and got his ass kicked for daring to disagree with their lack of reason.

Posted by: exdem13 at February 26, 2009 11:17 AM (lYKj1)

17 Memo to self: If ever in the presence of Christopher Hitchens watch six and prepare to repel boarders.

Ya know, There are many things I disagree with him about but he could be a great pal, what better friend than one who gets you into street brawls with nazis.

Posted by: Ronsonic at February 26, 2009 11:40 AM (ywSvi)

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Three of you guys couldn't deal effectively with one young man?  You had to let him detain you for his fellow nazi's?  You got shit for brains?  You're the kind of cowardly pukes who would have sat in your seats on 9/11 and let your planes go into the towers.  Fuck you!  When you have the chance to deal effectively with a deadly enemy, you take it!  Or maybe you folks want a refresher class at the Martin Luther King, Jr. Institute for Nonviolence, Inc., so you can be more submissive, little, commie girlie-men.  The three of you should have upended him and bounced his head on the pavement until it was he who believed in nonviolence.  No nads!

You guys need a good talking to from R. Lee Ermey.  I'm too nice to do a proper job of it.

Posted by: Chas at February 26, 2009 11:47 AM (81ekr)

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I've been in this same area on several occasions.  If you don't incite anything, you would never know such a possibility exists.  The Lebanese (Christian, Sunni, Druze - I don't know any Shia) are lovely people.  Their hospitality cannot be exceeded by anyone.

Unfortunately, Lebanon is a ball to be kicked back and forth by outside interests.  I suppose it was inevitable based on the confessional nature of the government.  It guarantees divisions whether large or small.

Hitchens was probably lucky.  Some of these guys have guns.  I have friends who still have their AK's from the last civil war.  Unfortunately, it could happen again.

Posted by: noprisoners at February 26, 2009 11:51 AM (PgDzb)

20 He does it by using the word and the pen (literally in this case); he leaves the heavy lifting (fists, knives, firearms, RPGs, SAMs, air strikes, thermonuclear AGMs) to others.

Posted by: David in San Diego at February 26, 2009 11:13 AM (GF+6V)


In other words, he's a Democrat.

Posted by: Johnny at February 26, 2009 11:59 AM (xVKXy)

21 Hitchens is the passenger in your car that gives the finger to the guys in the lowrider at the stop light.

Posted by: toby928 at February 26, 2009 12:03 PM (PD1tk)

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Hitchens is the passenger in your car that gives the finger to the guys in the lowrider at the stop light.

Hitchens is the former passenger you leave at the curb at the next stop light.

Posted by: EC at February 26, 2009 12:07 PM (mAhn3)

23 I get if he didn't want to beat the guy up, but when a thug calls his fellow thugs on the phone and there is a taxi right next to you, I think most people would do whatever it takes to get out of there. Nice to make a point about the power of the pen and all, but if he'd gotten Totten killed, it would have been a really, really piss-poor point.

Posted by: MamaAJ at February 26, 2009 12:19 PM (X6Zdh)

24 MamaAJ at February 26, 2009 12:19 PM (X6Zdh)

I don't see how massaging their feet with his face was much of a point in the first place.

Posted by: Johnny at February 26, 2009 12:33 PM (xVKXy)

25 There is a Providence that protects idiots, drunkards, children and journalists.

Posted by: Fritz at February 26, 2009 12:53 PM (zfXmi)

26

All parties were satisfied. Hitchens got a red badge to add to his notoriety at comparatively little cost; Totten got something to write about; the repellent autocracy that the Lebanese have allowed themselves to be cowed into won't be immediately replaced by some new, challenging concept they're not interested in, like "democracy," that would likely fail in a country of cowards. The Syrian ass-kickers got to kick ass, the lookout got props from the ass-kickers for snaring them some material, and we all got to wax militant on how the Syrian ass-kickers need to get their asses kicked.

Karma, friends, is restored. 

Posted by: General Zod at February 26, 2009 12:57 PM (nwEiU)

27 You guys can beat on Hitchens (metaphorically, thankfully) all you like, but the guy is dead right about confronting shit like this, even if I find his belief in non-violence a tad naive.  The world would be a FAR better place if even one percent of humanity had his balls.  Say what you will, he put his neck on the line, and sounds like he's ready to do so again.  I don't agree with his tactics, but I highly admire his bravery.  I frankly wish I had it.  May the God Hitchens refuses to believe in watch over him.

Posted by: Ken Begg at February 26, 2009 01:12 PM (VVf4R)

28

May the God Hitchens refuses to believe in watch over him.

...or, at the very least, give him a afterlifetime membership in the Club without checking his credentials at the gate.

Posted by: General Zod at February 26, 2009 01:16 PM (nwEiU)

29 Let this incident serve as a warning to anyone considering traveling with Hitchens. He will get you into dangerous situations without considering the safetly and welfare of others.

Defacing that Nazi sign served no purpose beyond inflating Hitchen's selfish pedantic philosophic vanity.

Posted by: 13times at February 26, 2009 01:56 PM (EygzZ)

30 Ace calling Hitchens, Hitch, is a little like the rat pack.

Posted by: mare at February 26, 2009 02:03 PM (X1fsj)

31

Say what you will, he put his neck on the line, and sounds like he's ready to do so again. 

He will get you into dangerous situations without considering the safetly and welfare of others.

Yes.

Posted by: MamaAJ at February 26, 2009 02:13 PM (X6Zdh)

32 One must take a stand. One simply must.

Posted by: moviegique at February 26, 2009 03:01 PM (1y5Vr)

33 Beirut blogging says that the sign is a marker for resistance against the Israel invasion.

In 1982, the Israeli Army massacred its way into Beirut.

Soon thereafter, at a burger joint in Hamra, known as Wimpy's, a Lebanese man shot an Israeli Occupation Soldier point blank.

well for history's sake, Alwan was there and saw the audacity of the occupying soldiers insist on paying with Shekels to which the waiter refused to accept. So Alwan calmly stood up shot the officer and calmly walked away


This wasn't really taking a stand against a Nazi flag, but writing fuck you on a war memorial with a Syria swastika on it. It looks like Hitchens and Totten didn't know it was a war memorial when Hitchens started writing on it.

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"This was no way to treat a visitor, especially not in the Arab world where guests are accorded protection."

The ignorance in that statement defys logic - this is what happens when chattering idiots go to a foreign country. Look, Hitchens defaced the sign - not only that - but he wrote an obscenity on it. Hitches knew, or should have known, that was a provocative act and that he was signing check his body might have to cash.

He also had to have known the gesture, though dashing, was utterly useless in the environment he was in. He also should have known that most all Syrians wouldn't have helped his ass even if they hated the Nazis, even if they weren't afraid of Nazi retribution, because most of them also hate Westerners. When I was a Command Master Chief in the Navy - everytime a Sailor got involved in an "incident" like this overseas there was element that was ALWAYS involved ... ALCOHOL.

And I gotta believe it was involved here too - this is just too stupid of an incident - even for a pompous idiot like Hitchens.

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Posted by: HondaV65 at February 26, 2009 06:12 PM (8NiWI)

I don't have any problem with him defacing the sign, but he should have beat the living fuck out of the guy who grabbed him and gotten the hell out of there before the rest of nazi fucktards showed up.

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36 > When Hitch checks in, this will officially be over.

Over? Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?

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