1 That's racist! Turnips are people too.

2 Worst.  Admninstration. Evah.

3 I'm pretty sure he talking about hollow points, soft points, and full metal jackets.  You know bullets.  To most libs they are all "cop killer" bullets.

4 Holder == Janet Reno V2.0

5 The whole assault rifle thing is bogus, too.  Is this country really awash with full auto weapons?  If so, they're all ready illegal, just like cop killer bullets.

The latest attack in Mexico apparently involved men with AK-47s and grenades.  I supposed they may have come from the US, but not legally.  Given AKs are Soviet era weapons, it might be better to look to Mexico's southern border for the source.

6 Holder: coward.

First impressions, second, third...

7 Grenades, while technically legal to own (so is a non-nuclear ICBM or aircraft carrier by the way), are already heavily regulated by BATF under the existing "destructive devices" law.

8

Yes, he is an idiot anti-gun liberal. We thought the Dems had learned long ago that this was a loser of an issue for them. The problem is that there is no election now and they think the average voter will forget in two years. Well the average liberal voter will.

 

The facts are:

 

There is no such thing as “cop killer” bullets. The Black Talon ammunition that had been branded by the idealogs as such was just a different way of lubricating the bullets and they had no more penetrating power than standard ammunition.

 

The second fact is there is no such thing as a ‘Gun Show Loophole”. What these lying cocksuckers like Holder call a loophole is an intentional part of the original gun control act that they want to see expanded. There has NEVER been a requirement for individuals to fill out paperwork and keep records for transactions between two private parties. If a licensed dealer goes to a gun show and opens a table he is REQUIRED to complete paperwork and maintain records just like he would if the guns were sold in his store.

 

This is just more lying bullshit from a bunch of Obama Communist Cocksuckers (OCC).

9 Holder's point is that possession should be banned. When people are deprived of the ability to defend themselves, they are more dependent on the government to do so.

10 Does anyone in this administration have any clue as to their job other than Gates?

11

Cowards...you are all just cowards.

Sincerely,

Eric Holder

12

"Cop Killer" = metal bullet.

Legal bullets = rubber or birdseed. Or space-age foam with a plastic suction cup.

13 so where can i get grenades?  i don't have anywhere to park an aircraft carrier, nor do i want to take on cleaning all the "heads" in one.  but I might want to try an ICBM as well as grenades.

14

It is because of comments like this that every day my local gun shop is crowded like the grocery store on Sunday afternoon.  I guess the comedy escapes the Dems.

And how about ask the cops how they feel about banning assault weapons.

15 the reason that a grenade might be good for me is that i'm not a good shot, so this would be just the device i need to make sure i get the perpetrator.

16 I think they should ban grenades too. And rapiers. You could put an eye out with one of those things.

17 my brother was career Army in artillery.  do you think he   could figure out how to shoot one of those ICBMs?  and he lives  on a mountain.  does this work out well?

18

Grenades, while technically legal to own (so is a non-nuclear ICBM or aircraft carrier by the way),

Seriously?

Anybody have like... Homeade DIY ICBM instructions?

I just want to use them as a deterant. So the Cheeseheads won't invade.

19 A turnip, or a bright blue scrotum.

20 Fast grenades or slow grenades?

21

When I was a kid a friend of my Dad’s showed us some stuff he had. A case of WWII era hand grenades and a Thompson submachine gun.

 

Of course, both were legal then if you had a class 3 license which wasn’t too hard to get then.

 

And I don't think it is legal to own hand grenades now, but I would have to check on it.

22

I'm going to call it the Long Dong 4 model.

Also, I demand a seat on the UN Human Rights Council.

23 so where can i get grenades?

Make them yourself if you get all the ATF paperwork ahead of time.  You can also make a firearm yourself with suitable paperwork in hand.  One of the requirements I recall is it needs to be stamped with a serial number of some sort.

Class 3 stuff might need local LE approval first. 

With "destructive devices" like hand grenades, bombs, artillery shells mortars, etc you'll need to comply with a rather rigorous set of ATF storage and physical security  requirements as well as just making the device legal.  Most city/suburban dwellers won't be able to meet these requirements due to the proximity of neighbors and other buildings.

24 If Ar-15's are banned....only cop's will have AR's. There's an assault weapon in the front seat of every county patrol in my area.

25

And let's not forget knives.  Those are dangerous and can kill.

Then we'll need to ban nails because someone could put them in a piece of wood and use it as a weapon.

Oh and let's not leave out pointy sticks.  Very dangerous...

26 Yeah, by armor piercing rounds he's talking about any round that will penetrate personal body armor.   Which doesn't leave a whole lot of ammunition out.

27 Fast grenades should be banned because they're unfair to slow people ande turnips.  Slow grenades, tossed underhand, are okay as long as the person at bat is using a wooden bat, not a metal one that could accidentally hit someone in the head.

28 Seriously?

Serious as a heart attack.  There's a terse and very vague reference in the ATF regs about nuclear weapons being special and they refer you to the DOE.

29 The Helen Keller Presidency.   I hope they have all the sharp corners of the furniture in the white house filed down as well as plenty of helmets with chinstraps.

30 unless of course the AG has the mental capacity of a turnip.

You overlook deliberate obtuseness in pursuit of fear-mongering, PA.

31

We just need another name.  It is misleading, there are no non-assault weapons.  The Dems want to ban assault everything, assault diction, assault pregnancies, assault banks, assault capitalism, assault petrol, everything except assault stimulus.

I suggest Anti-Tyranny Weapons.  Or Stimulus Weapons.  Whichever.

32 Yep. All the Fudds who sat on their hands because no one needs an eeeevil black rifle to hunt with are about to be greatly surprised to learn that their .300 WinMag bolties are deadly terrorist sniper rifles. To stop centerfire rifle rounds (even unto the pedestrian .30-30) you need trauma plates, pretty much.

III

33 Kelley

You can get a non-nuke aircraft carrier from Newport, RI. Parking is not a problem, you 'moor' them instead. Saratoga is spoken for, but Forrestal is still available. Shipping and handling charges might be a little spendy, though.

34

Looking at section 922 of the U.S. Code it appears you can own a “destructive device” (Hand Grenade) if it has been approved by the Attorney General).

 

But be advised, if you actually use it, it falls under the category of “Weapon Of Mass Destruction” and is punishable by death.

35 To stop centerfire rifle rounds (even unto the pedestrian .30-30) you need trauma plates, pretty much.

Henceforth, all bullets will be required to be made out of salt water taffy or silly putty.

36

I almost cut myself shaving this morning, so I demand an end to sharp razors.

I will await my gov't. supplied electric razor.

And my unicorn.

37 we could let McCain have the Forrestal.  I'd rather have a grenade.  or maybe lots of grenades.

38 The Mexican Military is corrupt and giving their equipment (which they buy from US) to the Drug gangs UNPOSSIBLE

39 Those are poll tested soundbites that work, goddammit. They don't have to bare any resemblance to the truth or be in line with existing facts as long as they do their job. And their job is to scare the fuck out of sheep. So thanks for your concern, but FUCK OFF.

40 another absolutely indispensible man who was vouched for by beltway conservatives like joseph digenove and victoria toensing (the david brooks and kathleen parker of that legal circle).  why, he's a moderate, just like obama.

41 There you go again with the veggie baiting.  I thought we were beyond that.  When Al Sharpton gets wind of this he's gonna be on you like white on rice  (yeah, I know,  poor choice of words).  Well you get my drift, leave turnips outta this.

42 #29 - don't forget your apology to Helen Keller.

43

Do I have to spell this out for you wingnuts?

.22 long rifle + head shot = "Cop Killer Bullet"

44 "Fast grenades or slow grenades?"

Maybe they only plan to ban 'assault grenades' although that would once again show their ignorance in that the defensive grenades are more powerful.

I keep hoping that EVENTUALLY all these facts will somehow break out and be seen by the common public.

You what keeps illegal weapons from the US out of Mexico. A fence. Maybe the Mexicans should consider building one.

45 Holder is remaining true to his Leftard ideology. If the criminals are using weapons, then nobody showed be allowed to use weapons. Even (and especially) to use weapons to protect themselves from the criminals. Only the government can have, and use, weapons. Only the government can protect us, unless we deserve to be targeted by wronged minorities or oppressed foreign goatherds. Then we can bend over and take it like a....Frenchman. Or a Brit. Or a Sudanese Christian.

Apparently Holder's idea of obtaining military-class small arms & explosives are derived from Hollywood movies, where a single phone call or a brief drive around the poor side of town is sufficient to meet the Merchant Of Death and his sordid but strangely fascinating wares. How this clueless dolt who doesn't even appear to understand the concept of "black market" got to be the #1 law enforcement officer of our Republic is going to be one of the many sad & tragic stories of this administration. 

Mexico is going to hell because its government either doesn't have, or won't use, its legitimate authority to clamp down on the drug gangs who are running wild and scaring the dickens out of anyone down there trying to earn an honest peso. (Yet another reason for the illegals to come live in my neighborhood, no one is running around after dark with full-auto Kalashnikovs and grenades, much less broad daylight.) But Teh Obamessiah's archangels officials see the Mexican chaos as an pretext to take away our legitimately owned weapons.

We have been warned, again, where electing this idiot could lead us.

46 They are overreaching big time. What they will try to do on shit like this is snbeak it in some more of these fuct-tard vote NOW bills and don't read.

47

A 5.56mm full metal jacket and pierce the bullet proof vests issued to law enforcement officers. Armor piercing bullets. And hollow points are designed to do optimum internal damage. Cop Killer bullets.

They aren't going for the guns, they are going for the ammunition.

48

Um, by "cop killer" I don't think Holder was just referring to armor piercing ammo.  He was probably talking about Black Talon, Varmint Grenade and other expanding and fragmenting anti-personnel type of ammo.

Probably would like to ban all but full metal jacket ammo to all but LE. 

49

'.177 air-rifle + head shot = "Cop Killer Bullet"'

Fixed it for you.

50

.58 caliber rifled musket + minie ball = armor piercing cop killer bullet.

Hunting longbow or crossbow + sharp hunting heads = cop killer missiles.

51
Now should I buy the Daniels Defense M4 from AIM, or the MSAR STG-556 from Ratworx?  Decisions decisions.  I wish MSAR would come out with the E4 before this bullshit hits...

52

More scare tactics by the Libs.  I mean, seriously, I was reading yesterday how the Left Wing Media spun a story about a kid bringing a .50 caliber muzzleloader to school, stating that a .50 cal can be used "as an advanced sniper weapon, suitable for disabling aircraft on takeoff and landing."

A .50 caliber MUZZLELOADER.

 

I would say that they boggle me, but I'm intelligent enough to see through their agenda. 

53 He was probably talking about Black Talon, Varmint Grenade and other expanding and fragmenting anti-personnel type of ammo.

Any frangible rounds can be stopped effectively by a common level 2/2A vest.  All you've done is bolster my claim that Holder is a complete idiot.  Thanks.

54

I like the fact that we have an AG who doesn't act all lawyery.  Still, these sorts of statements just lead me to this moment:

I hereby declare myself the ninth official nuclear power in the world.

No, it's not an ICBM--I replaced the flux capacitor with a Little Boy A-bomb.

55 51
Now should I buy the Daniels Defense M4 from AIM, or the MSAR STG-556 from Ratworx?  Decisions decisions.  I wish MSAR would come out with the E4 before this bullshit hits...

Posted by: RarestRX at February 26, 2009 09:41 AM (uIn6z)

 

Considering what's probably coming down the pike, my gut reaction would be to get the model with the most widely-available replacement parts and components. 

56

Did the "stupid" from Janet Reno get into Holder by osmosis or other means?

 

30 unless of course the AG has the mental capacity of a turnip.

The turnips called to say they were insulted

 

 

 

57 We have been warned, again, where electing this idiot could lead us.
____

48% of us knew this.... the other 52% either didn't believe it or didn't care....

Can we divide up the country yet? I'm partial to warmer weather so if we could keep those parts, that would be great...

58 I want one of these.

59 The only "cop killers" I"m familiar with are firmly embedded within the "diverse" constituents of the Holder's political party.

How many times has some pathetic leftwing protest group cited or praised Mumia Abu Jamal as some kind of righteous, moral icon? Who are the turds still fighting what they see as "the good fight" for this reprehensible convicted cop killer ? Who were the ones fighting for amnesty for Tookie Williams because...he wrote a children's book while imprisoned for the brutal murders of innocent shopkeepers and other victims?
 
Hint: They're not bitter gun-clingers with Bibles.

60

#42 Roy don't forget your apology to Helen Keller.

Helen Keller was a communist. You could look it up. No apology needed.

61 He was too busy vetting pardons for Clinton to keep up on the weapons laws.

62

Pretty much any garden-variety hunting round is going to go through a bullet-proof vest. 

And if you are into reloading, you can make as many as you want.  Gonna outlaw lead, Mr. Holder?   Because a fellow with a set of molds can make as many hollow point bullets as he wants.

63 Wait, didn't they say during the campaign that we didn't have to worry about them going after guns?

Hmm, there seems to be a pattern emerging here, but the MSM just can't put their finger on it...

64 He couldn't 'remember' that he prosecuted one of Marc Rich's companies and had an affidavit taken from him so how is he supposed to remember stupid little gun laws. 

65

I agree with the AG.  Ban the 5.56mm round!  Nobody should be using a round that small and underpowered.

Wait, what?  Maybe I misunderstood what the AG is talking about.

Grim

66

As I posted earlier, the original “cop killer” bullet myth started with the Black Talon Teflon coated rounds.

 

This site discusses the original myth

67

My question is, can Civilians purchase body Armor? I rember a time, 15 years ago(?), when you couldn't.

BTW...I don't want to be "assaulted" with my kids, heavy spring, Red Rider BB gun. The little prick is a damn fine shot.

68

And let's not forget knives.  Those are dangerous and can kill.

Then we'll need to ban nails because someone could put them in a piece of wood and use it as a weapon.

Oh and let's not leave out pointy sticks.  Very dangerous...

Between 1992 and 1999, over 800 people died from choking/suffocation.  BAN SOLID FOOD!

Grim

69 Guns are absolutely forbidden in Chicago and thankfully, because of it, Nobody ever gets shot here, or something

70

Vic at February 26, 2009 10:13 AM (f6os6)

And you can get the exact same bullet, without the black Lubalox finish, under the Winchester Ranger brand of ammo.  In fact I have a couple of cases of .45 acp and 9mm.  It's a good round.

71 What we need is safer guns and safer bullets.  Also, more pictures of busty babes. 

72

I keep hoping that EVENTUALLY all these facts will somehow break out and be seen by the common public.

Never let the facts get in the way of the truth.

73

a .50 caliber muzzleloader ... can be used "as an advanced sniper weapon, suitable for disabling aircraft on takeoff and landing."

Heh.

Crazed musket wielding terrorists...

The South shall rise again!

74

A lot of the guys above have got it right. We went through this BS several times before. "Everyone" is 'for' saving the cops by banning "cop killer bullets," so even the retards in the GOP vote to give BATFE the authority to classify and embargo those "cop killer bullets" and "armour piercing bullets".

The only problem is that cops don't wear 40 lbs of military grade armour. Any hunting rifle round can penetrate their stuff. It's to stop pistol and revolver rounds. The classic 30-06 and .308 rounds instantly qualify for banning, along with 99% of the rest of rifle ammo. De facto disarmament of the entire nation... except, of course, the bad guys who just laugh at your stupid laws and go on raping, robing, looting, and drug dealing. Wonder-fucking-ful.

75

Ready men, FIRE!

*several balls 'tink' off the wing and the plane continues landing*

Fasten bayonets!

CHARGE!

76 I am to the point where armed Rebellion is perfectly reasonable.

77

Serious as a heart attack.  There's a terse and very vague reference in the ATF regs about nuclear weapons being special and they refer you to the DOE.

Nuclear weapons are regulated by the Department of Education?!?

(yah yah, I know)

78 Gunz r baaad. Ban all gunz an all wil b gude.
Buletz r lead. Lead iz toxik. Ban ban ban!!!!
Wen du me getz 2 b Obama valentear korpz trupr?

79

Nuclear Weapons banned in Chico, CA!

Chico, California city council members enacted a ban on nuclear weapons, with the penalty of $500 for setting it off.

80 Interestingly, and maybe i should keep this to myself, but M2AP .30-06 ammo is exempted specifically by name from the ban. So if you want those black tip armor piercing rounds for your garand, you can get them.

81 Look at that horn shit on a unicorn's head - that'd penetrate a L. E. protective vest. Cop-killer-unicorns! Ban all unicorns!
And  Skittles™ shit at sufficient velocity would be deadly.
Ban the cop-killing, Skittle-shitting unicorns! For the children of Mexico sake. Y'know, the anchor babies born here.

82 Holder is just reverting to form.  Have to laugh about his concern over drug cartels getting automatic weapons and grenades.  I guess it never occurred to this elite intellectual that the cartels are getting their weapons thru a back door of the Mexican Army.

But then, I may be proven wrong.  On my next trip to Arizona, I'll stop by the local gun shops to see if I can purchase a couple of full-auto rifles and some hand grenades off the shelf.

This is just the opening shot of the Obama Administration.

83 How about, instead of disarming the citizens, we disarm the terrorist.  And then kill them.  And stuff.

84

Time to invest in some PVC tubes & Cosmoline.

And ammo, lots of fucking ammo...

85 From reading the legal definition of "armor piercing"--many AP rounds specifically for rifles could be excluded here.

http://edocket.access.gpo.gov/cfr_2006/aprqtr/pdf/27cfr478.11.pdf

86 84 Time to invest in some PVC tubes & Cosmoline.

Cosmoline - is that a Cosmopolitan magazine brand personal lubricant?

87 83 -
Yeah, isn't it fascinating that breaking up the cartels is too hard a job, but taking away a fundamental Right is so much easier?

Sledgehammer, meet fly.

88 84 Time to invest in some PVC tubes & Cosmoline.

Naw, Obama's Volunteer Corp Troops will have Cosmoline and ammo sniffing dogs, the new "drug-dogs". Hilarity ensues during de-gunning sweeps. Y'know. For the kids.

89 People are generally failing to apprehend the reality that the neo-commies now running the country will do as they please, and feel zero concern about what their political enemies think. They know that WE can't do SHIT about it when they send out their tax-payer funded Gestapo out house-to-house to collect our means of self-protection.

90

Yeah, isn't it fascinating that breaking up the cartels is too hard a job

 

Yes, remember our old saying “The same people who say we can’t find and deport  20 million illegals say we can find and confiscate 300 million weapons.”

91 yet another example of what happens when the "sit out brigade" on our side gets their way.

92 Markie Marxist sez:  "All privately owned ammunition consists of 'cop-killer' bullets, because that way we can ban all privately owned ammunition.  We might have to be more selective with our legal definition for the time being, but we'll just keep working at it until we have a total ban on private ammunition.  We can even do a little 'oops' like we did in New Jersey where we 'unintendedly' made BB gun possession a felony.  The word 'projectile' is nicely vague and can come to mean just about anything we want it to mean, including a BB.  Ha!  Ha!"

93 And if you are into reloading, you can make as many as you want.  Gonna outlaw lead, Mr. Holder?   Because a fellow with a set of molds can make as many hollow point bullets as he wants.

Exactly. And that's why finding powder and primers is a bitch right now. I'm almost out of Varget, so I'm stuck.

94

'They might take our guns but they can never take our freedom.'

Er, um. We don't have the means of protecting our freedom. Um... We are so fucked up the ass with a Unicorn horn wrapped in concentina wire and soaked in terpetine.

95 When will AG Holder stop his charade of whining about race and attacking law-abiding gun owners, and address the fact 58% of the violent crime in this country is perpetrated by persons of his own race?  He needs to start doing his job and stop talking around it.  Coward!

96

What about fresh fruit huh ?  When some maniac comes at you with a bunch of loganberries don't come cryin' to me !!!  Ban all fresh fruit !!!!  Especially bananas, they're pointy.

97 I feel like a broken record saying this, but every American household should have at least one paperless firearm that the commie bastards don't know about. Lots of perfectly legal ways to acquire such arms, although some states are more restrictive than others.

Here in CA for example, it's perfectly legal to purchase curio & relic long arms from a private party in a face to face transaction. That means 50yr + milsurps like Garands, M1 Carbines, Mosins, Mausers, Enfields etc. No C&R handguns though, all handguns must be DROS'd through an FFL.

You can legally manufacture your own firearms as well. Build AKs, ARs, 1911s etc. The thing is, you can only duplicate previously existing firearms, you must be legally able to posess firearms, you must do the work yourself, you can NEVER sell them (personal use only, although you can pass them down to family during probate), and it has to be in a legal configuration (no homemade assault weapons or full-auto, don't be stupid).

Your state's laws may vary, but what I've mentioned above is legal in CA, more than likely it's gonna be legal in your state as well. Just get online and do some research, the info is out there and it's easy to find.

98

And if anyone cares:

Dennis Kucinich has reintroduced his "Dep't of Peace" bill.

Bobby Rush has introduced HR-45 to RETROACTIVELY require gun registration of all weapons in civilian hands

Alcee Hastings has introduced HR-645 which builds "Secure facilities in US Military bases to house civilians in the event of an emergency"

And so you have the perfect troica, Obama gets his "Civilian Volunteer Security Force" from Kucinich, knows where all the guns are because of Rush, and has a place to put all us disagreeable types courtesy of Hastings. Think it isn't possible with a "veto proof" majority? Suggest if you do you might also believe in the easter bunny. Look them up, then call/write/e-mail your congresscritter.

99 These idiots are like one of those easy listening greatest hits albums your grandma ordered from a late night TV commercial. Same stupid song from 10, 20, 30 years ago but done up with strings and oooh ahhh choruses. Every bad economic idea from the 70s, Carteresque foreign policy, Clinton era gun restrictions, the hits just keep on coming.

100

Chico, California city council members enacted a ban on nuclear weapons, with the penalty of $500 for setting it off.

Cheaper and more fun than a family of four weekend at Disney.

101 Markie Marxist sez:  "You'll have to forgive our man Holder for pretending to be ignorant of existing gun laws.  It's our standard Marxist practice to pretend that there aren't any existing gun laws.  We find that helps us to pass new ones.  We never have to worry about the media calling us on it because they're on our side, so we get away with it every time.  Gun laws?  What gun laws?  We don't have any gun laws, that's why need some!  Ha!  Ha!  All your gun laws are belong to us!"

102

every American household should have at least one paperless firearm that the commie bastards don't know about.

That idea breaks down when gun owners are registered, not guns. If you own  legally purchased guns (which I have), they'll tear your house apart. Even if you bury a gun, you're just doing their job for them - by removing a gun from circulation. The only way to protect gun rights is to fight back against all confiscation.

103 Maybe my info is out-of-date but, last time I checked, no US law enforcement agent has ever been killed with a "cop killer" bullet. 

Likewise, the Teflon bullet was created at the request of law enforcement so bullets wouldn't bounce off car tires and windshields.  Remington didn't sit around a table and say, "Hey!  Let's come up with a bullet that will kill cops wearing those pesky Kevlar vests!"  <rubs hands evilly>

Democrats watch too many "Lethal Weapon" movies.

104 Why does AG Holder hate America?

105 How dare you compare Eric Holder to a turnip with a bright blue scrotum.

106 do you guys think that maybe Eric Holder acctually works for Armalite?

107

Well, I am certainly concerned, and like the poster above, I'm one half of a step away from dividing up the country, or just a good old fashioned revolution.  Luckily I'm in Texas, and I firmly believe that if it gets too bad we'll pull the trigger that was built into the deal when we joined ... we can pull out any time we want if the government becomes something that we no longer want to be a part of.

But remember also that in Wash DC area, one crazy muslim (black, with boy assistant) kept the whole city with their head down for 2 or 3 weeks.  If that guy had been well funded (different weapons ... different cars to work from ... etc) we probably still wouldn't have found him.  Who found him?  Cops, the government?  Nope, just the good old general public.

If we did want to fight back, the tough thing is figuring out who to fight with.  The cops are not the enemy.  Most of the 52% is just stupid and not evil (but some are pure assholes).  So who's the bad guys?  The civilian youth corps would definitely be a target, but remember, 'bama wants them as well armed and funded as the US military.  They will never be as well trained, but they might still be a nuisance.  Of course I expect them to go all girly in the knees the first time some good old boy pops one of them, but still it's a problem.

And with 700 billion dollars going to pet democrat constituents and projects, they get a whole leg up on funding the communist/socialist expansion of government. 

Maybe when we get power back, we'll declare an emergency and grant 200 billion to buy every legal citizen a new gun, and declare that any illegals still here after delivery of the last gun is fair game.  I can solve that little problem rather easily.

108 considering gun crimes and cop killings are performed by minorities and poor people, couldn't we just ban them from existing?

109 Ever wonder why our military can't use hollowpoint/softpoint ammo on terroists, but our police can use them on us?

110 Facts dont matter to Obama, why should it be any different moron Holder. It makes good PR, and since this administration is in perpetual campaign mode, thus making his comments perfectly legitimate.

111 Holder is basically disinterested in anything that does not contribute to gaining votes, especially black votes, for his boss.

honest Democrat is a contradiction in terms.

112 We should make cop killing illegal.  Problem solved.

113
@107 Mephitis:  So who's the bad guys?

You asked it.  You answered it.  It's the 52%.

These are the voters who made this possible.  These are the domestic enemies who have ushered-in our new long national nightmare.

Don't start shit.  Don't talk about starting shit.  Just prepare and wait.  The other side will start the shit.  This administration is a toxic cocktail of ignorance, incompetence, and arrogance.  They are an inspiration to idiots and thugs everywhere.

There is a lady at one of my client sites who was sweet but dimmer than a half-watt bulb.  When her candidate Obama won the election, she didn't get any brighter, but she became confident in her stupidity.  Since Teleprompter Jesus' coronation, she's become assertive in her stupidity, and sweet isn't in the picture anymore.  That shithead in the oval office is riding atop a wave of can't-do fuckups who couldn't find their asses with both hands.  If he keeps stoking them with the "Yes, we can" bullshit, it's bound to erupt in violence.

Just like the CRA's and GSEs' fiat wisdom of making loans to deadbeats came crashing down in the face of reality, the terminally incapable underclass brought to us by the New Deal and the Great Society will be just as stupid and helpless and incompetent tomorrow as they are today no matter how much they believe in their worthless selves.  If you want examples of societies plagued with that much cognitive dissonance, take a gander at the muslim world.

If you're squeamish about doing what needs to be done after this administration topples our civilization, just remember that these assholes and their middle-class and rich marxist enablers, no matter how "just stupid and not evil" you may think they are, voted to elevate to POTUS a monster who voted to legalize the murder of babies born alive.

114

De facto disarmament of the entire nation... except, of course, the bad guys who just laugh at your stupid laws and go on raping, robing, looting, and drug dealing. Wonder-fucking-ful.

They'll have to wait until I've gone through about a 1000 rounds of #1 buck before they start raping, robbing, looting and drug dealing me. And that's assuming that I can't get ahold of any more at all. There'll be a hell of a black market in ammo, I'll assure you.

115 Cause our military has to operate under the Geneva Convention and our law enforcement officers don't.

116

Ever wonder why our military can't use hollowpoint/softpoint ammo on terroists, but our police can use them on us.

Cause our military has to operate under the Geneva Convention and our law enforcement officers don't.

^{_{I guess I ought to reference the post that I'm responding to, huh.}}

_{^{And what's up with this fucking sockpuppet that won't go away?}}

117

Holder is basically disinterested in anything that does not contribute to gaining votes, especially black votes, for his boss.

 

So what you're implying is that black people don't use guns or kill cops?  Got it.

118

109  Ever wonder why our military can't use hollowpoint/softpoint ammo on terroists, but our police can use them on us?

Because of the Geneva Convention bans their use.

If I may its rant time. Yes, rant time for Joe because most of you need the kick in the ass wake up on this issue. Oh, Holder does want to take away your guns because he's an asshole.

Anywho, forget the cop killer bullet shit already.  The guys killing cops aren't using  ap rounds or black talons or hydrashocks.  They are using regular rounds like everyone else.  Cops are dying because the bad guys 1. have no respect for life..theirs or their victims 2. they are practicing and have better skills than the cops 3.they are pulling weapons more often in regular stops therefore having a shot off before the cop can pull his weapon (lot fast to draw from your waistband than a side holster with a triple retention system) all this comes from an excellent article from last months Law Enforcement Weapons Magazine.

Why in god's name does the average citizen need a barrett .50 with ap rounds? or a full automatic M-4?  Its fucking insane.  Sorry but citizens do not need military grade weapons and ammo...period.  Now before the whole but if the secret police come...shut up already, most of the people who have weapons know how to use them well and have leo/military training already.  If the army comes for you and you are holding them off guess what, they'll bring in armor and blow up your fucking house with you in it.

The way to fix the problem is build more big ass prisons like the old days, none of these new be kind to the convict homes we have now. Let cops use the force neccesary with being terrified to use force needed. And if you own a weapon, including cops and military..everyone, practice, practice, practice. Finally, all states should become shall carry instead of can carry for ccws.

Thank you for your time and naked photos.

119 Ever wonder why our military can't use hollowpoint/softpoint ammo on terroists, but our police can use them on us?

Actually, MIL is allowed the option of using hollowpoint ammo for antiterrorist operations. I don't have the cite available right now, but if memory serves, it was a Clinton-era legal ruling.

Plus, the restrictions on hollowpoint/softpoint ammo are purely voluntary. This type of ammo is restricted via the Hague Convention of 1899, which the US never signed. We follow the HC rules as a courtesy to other nations. Interestingly, it only restricts this type of ammo when used against the uniformed militaries of other signatory nations. No restrictions against non-governmental belligerants.

120

I suggest Anti-Tyranny Weapons.  Or Stimulus Weapons.  Whichever.

How about "make the bad guys go bye-bye guns"

121

Plus, the restrictions on hollowpoint/softpoint ammo are purely voluntary. This type of ammo is restricted via the Hague Convention of 1899, which the US never signed. We follow the HC rules as a courtesy to other nations. Interestingly, it only restricts this type of ammo when used against the uniformed militaries of other signatory nations. No restrictions against non-governmental belligerants.

I do believe some part of the Geneva Conventions bans both expanding and frangible ammo in anti-personel applications.

Course, that wouldn't apply to non-signatories.

122 Sorry but citizens do not need military grade weapons and ammo...period.

Bullshit. NEED has nothing to do with it. Need as defined by whom? You? Me? Holder? The crackhead down the block who's planning on breaking into some old lady's house tonight?

Remember, the VAST majority of firearms have military heritage. Almost every civilian bolt action rifle manufactured today uses a Mauser-style action, developed for multiple European militaries, but primarily for the Kaiser's Germany. Lever-action deer rifles are based on the Henry and Winchester lever action rifles designed to be sold to the US military in the 1800s. Your .45/70 Sharps rifle? .45/70 was the US Army standard rifle round throughout the Indian Wars. .30-06? WWI, WWII and Korea. 9mm Parabellum? Military. .45ACP? Military. .38 Special? Military. Your smoothbore black powder reproduction Brown Bess musket? Military.

123

Why in god's name does the average citizen need a barrett .50 with ap rounds? or a full automatic M-4?  Its fucking insane. 

Not really. What if the government goes kaput and I have to deal with post-apocalyptic raiders?

What if China invades?

Seriously though - Citizen Snipers did a bang up job for the Russians in WWII.

most of the people who have weapons know how to use them well

Duh. If you don't have the weapons how would you know how to use them?

That's the point, Sherlock. How am I suppose to learn how to use these weapons if I can't use them? I need to have them so I can learn how to handle them.

That's like telling a 16 year old - you can't drive the car because you don't know how. It's a catch-22. If I can't drive the car because I don't know how, how the hell am I suppose to learn how without driving the car?

Then, if the US invades China and I get drafted (or volunteer) I'll be that much more ready.

Or if the Secret Police start stomping on people, I'll be that much more prepared for going underground with Le Resistance.

124 I for one am relieved and reassured that Eric Holder gets all his news from Grand Theft Auto IV.

125

Seriously though, I should own a 7.62mm Dragunov sniper rifle.

126

Remember, the VAST majority of firearms have military heritage. Almost every civilian bolt action rifle manufactured today uses a Mauser-style action, ... Your smoothbore black powder reproduction Brown Bess musket? Military.

In another 20 years the actual military will have computers and shit installed in their weapons, and may also be firing lasers.

So yeah - about time we got the 'old fashioned tech' and started selling AK's at Dick's Sporting Goods if you ask me.

127 I want a .50 Barretts and 1000 rounds. I asked my Unicorn for it because I can't afford it myself.

128 Sorry but citizens do not need military grade weapons and ammo...period.

Yeah, navyCOPjoe only wants "military" weapons in the hands of the Military, and, uhh, also those Elite cops running around breaking down innocent peoples doors, shooting citizens dogs, and tackling defenseless elderly women after Katrina.

That is when they are not busy shooting themselves in the foot only seconds after declaring they are the "Only Ones Professional" enough to have a loaded Glock .40.

In case you haven't noticed Joe, your Band of Brothers in Blue have morphed into nothing but another criminal gang.  Any true good cops left are complicit by not trying to solve the corruption they see around them every single day.

129 Can Civilians purchase body armor?

130

In another 20 years the actual military will have computers and shit installed in their weapons, and may also be firing lasers.

So yeah - about time we got the 'old fashioned tech' and started selling AK's at Dick's Sporting Goods if you ask me.

I'm saving up for an M41A Pulse Rifle....

131

Why in god's name does the average citizen need a barrett .50 with ap rounds? or a full automatic M-4?  Its fucking insane.  Sorry but citizens do not need military grade weapons and ammo...period. 

Unless the "full automatic M-4" was built on a reciever registered before 1986, the "average citizen" can't buy one.  Period.  Neither can the non-average citizen.  With an ATF tax stamp and background check you can buy a short-barrelled, semi-auto version of the M4.

Likewise, the "average citizen" already can not buy a Barrett .50 with AP rounds.  Already banned.  You can buy a Barrett .50 BMG and FMJ non-AP rounds if you have a spare $8,000 lying around.

Stupidity like yours is what leads to stupid gun bans.  A Beretta 9mm with FMJ ammo?  Military grade weapon and ammo.  A Remington 870 shotgun with buckshot?  Military grade weapon and ammo. 

132 I respect our police, but they were looting Walmart instead of protcting, serving etc during Katrina. Deriliction(?) of duty and  theft? Yes, the new civilian corps should be able to outgun me...Fuck it, I can ALWAYS outshoot them. The SWAT team, real police and trained soldiers are what I fear, IF, they heed barrys request to disarm us. 

133

Can Civilians purchase body armor?

Yes.  Google it.

134 I used to get a kick out of asking anti-2A libs how they were going to resist the inevitable Bush Administration fascist cancellation of elections and subsequent neo-Nazi Cheney dictatorship if they didn't have weapons.

Crickets.......

135

Well since everyone else is beating up on this…….

 

Why in god's name does the average citizen need a barrett .50 with ap rounds? or a full automatic M-4?  Its fucking insane.  Sorry but citizens do not need military grade weapons and ammo...period. 

 

WTF does that have to do with SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED?????

136

Holy shit, beat up on Joe when he's sick. sheesh.

Answers acoming.

129. yes, you can get it through many online companys like galls.com.

Cur and Entrophy..excellent points but once again, do you really need full auto or heavy weapons for home defense?  I'm not for taking weapons away from citizens, hell, more should get them and ccw's but do you really need a .50 sniper rifle with ap rounds for hunting or home defense? Or anything?

128. Fuck you, why don't you try a drive along with a metropolitian police force for a few days?  These men and women have a hard job with all the rules against them for crappy pay.  Granted there are a few bad apples out there but the vast majority of them are there for you regardless of how you view them.  I'd like to see you do any aspect of your job with knowing that anything you do right or wrong will get you sued.

137

931. Prohibition on purchase, ownership, or possession of body armor by violent felons

 

So, unless you are a convicted violent felon you can purchase body armor (U.S. code). State law may differ.

 

Also, you should be aware that if you have been convicted of misdemeanor spousal abuse you can no longer own or have a gun in your possession.

138 Can someone explain to me, if everyone's so afraid of Obama taking our weapons, why in God's name people voted for him?! And I'm asking this question of Obama voters or people who sat out the election. Since there seem to be quite a few liberals now buying guns and ammo, why the fucking hell vote for a guy who's going to take them away?

I was hoping during the election there'd be enough 2nd amendment supporters to keep the Idiot One out of office, but I was obviously wrong. Are there going to be enough 2nd Amendment supporters now to fight back against the gun grabs we know are coming? I wonder if donations to the NRA are increasing.

139 Can someone explain to me, if everyone's so afraid of Obama taking our weapons

 

Everyone is not afraid, the typical Commiecrat is all for taking weapons.

140

Joe, I ride with a bunch of cops. Crazy mutherfuckers. The 1st time I rode with them down the NY thruway (triple digits on Harleys), at a rest stop I asked "what if we get pulled over"?. The laughed and said they'd flash a badge, but I'd be screwed.

You know some of these guys, Joe.

 

 

141 excellent points but once again, do you really need full auto or heavy weapons for home defense?  I'm not for taking weapons away from citizens, hell, more should get them and ccw's but do you really need a .50 sniper rifle with ap rounds for hunting or home defense? Or anything?

The problem with your statement isn't with the type of firearm, but the implication that need is the deciding factor in a firearms purchase. Personally, I have no interest in owning full auto or .50BMG firearms, but that's a personal decision on my part. I'll be damned if I'm going to go down this path of "do you NEED that firearm?" Again, WHO DEFINES WHAT "NEED" IS?

Yes I NEED full auto and .50BMG firearms. Because they are necessary for the complete exercise of my (and your) constitutional rights. The fact that I choose not to purchase said firearms doesn't change my need for them.

142 Why in god's name does the average citizen need a barrett .50 with ap rounds?

Or sports cars and SUVs, or energy guzzling wide screen TV's.  All anyone really needs is a Trabant or Yugo and a 12" B&W TV.

143 I know he wants to take all our weapons, Vic. But tell me why people, people who support the 2nd Amendment or who suddenly discovered support for it, voted for him? Was it simply blind ignorance? Willful ignorance? It's damned maddening.

Believe me, I'm stocking up too, but why did anyone think he wouldn't go after weapons? I hope this is the death knell of his crappy presidency. But I don't have a whole lot of faith in the American people after they (s)elected this travesty of a president.

144 142 Why in god's name does the average citizen need a barrett .50 with ap rounds?

Or sports cars and SUVs, or energy guzzling wide screen TV's.  All anyone really needs is a Trabant or Yugo and a 12" B&W TV.

Posted by: Purple Avenger at February 26, 2009 02:34 PM (Ygf7

 

Why should anyone have single malt when Victory gin is all you really need?

The "need" argument is a complete red herring when you're talking about a fundamental, Constitutionally enshrined right.

145 A couple o' points...

* Let's not forget that it was George HW Bush who first began restrictions on "assault" weapons (scare quotes intended). We on our side often blame this on Clinton (and by extension, Holder), and I've got no trouble in that, but let's remember it was a Republican (alright....a "RINO") who started this ball rolling.

* Let's also not forget that his son, another less-than-complete conservative, supported an extension to the Assault Weapons Ban. It was not GWB, but rather Congress which refused to reauthorize the Ban.

* And since we've already mentioned the stupid "Gun-Show Loophole" idea, do not forget to ask: "Which prominent politician pushed for this idea?" You should not be surprised the hear that it was one John McCain.

I take a back seat to no one in watching everything that the congresscritters and adminstration slime (of both parties, as I demonstrated above) say regarding the 2A. In my mind, the 2A guarantees all the others. That said, some of this feels like something that Zero and Holder are throwing out there as red meat for their lefty constituencies. [Do lefties "eat" red meat? I thought they were all vegans and part of PETA. However, I digress.] Pelosi--Yes, San Fran Nan--is today "throwing cold water" on the idea. Maybe that in itself is some sort of Jedi Mind Trick, but why would Zero want to reignite a shitstorm and give the NRA another membership-drive opportunity?

Conservatism took a shellacking last November, but I attribute most of that to a dishonest media spinning an Iraq-as-quagmire narrative, and a public beginning to panic about their 401ks and job prospects. Conservatives have begun a way out of this mess with our fiscal hawks making noise about the Spenduli. If Zero isn't careful though, his plan to pull down our military in Iraq will make us feel vulnerable to another attack from our enemies, and a perceived attack on the 2A (or other civil rights) will irritate enough of the middle of America that Zero and the D-Congresscritters may find their majority status short-lived. We can only "hope". **snicker**

146

Has anybody ever thrown a gun away? I mean, has anybody ever sai "fuck it, it isn't worth fixing this firing pin, reciever etc..?". I gave away an o/u because of a cracked stock to a guy who made a new one. It was a cheap brizillian POS.

I guess what I'm saying is, yes there are muskets from our revolutionary war. And our founders would be astonished at the tech of todays weaponry. As well as all technology, duh.

Guys who fought in a revolution, would not be of the mindset of banning anything below the very best weaponry availible.

 

147

Fuck you, why don't you try a drive along with a metropolitian police force for a few days?  These men and women have a hard job with all the rules against them for crappy pay.  Granted there are a few bad apples out there but the vast majority of them are there for you regardless of how you view them.  I'd like to see you do any aspect of your job with knowing that anything you do right or wrong will get you sued.

navycopjoe: That's just it. While I can have sympathy for the rank and file officers, those who advance in rank have to be (leftist) political animals. This is why I tend to distrust the Chiefs Of Police.

148 If Holder is getting his cues from the wet dreams for the Brady bunch -- and he sure sounds like he is -- the term "cop killer bullet" this time around (gotta watch out for those constantly shifting legal definitions) refers to any bullet capable of defeating typical police-issue body armor.  Which is pretty much every rifle round ever made above .22LR.

149 Hello.  I'm from the government.  I'm here to search for and confiscate anything you don't need.

150 Why does OctoBreeder need 14 runts?
Why do we need secret ballots - this is the most transparent administration EVAR, right? Why do we need to vote at all any more, we already elected the One. Why do you need private homes, we can house so many needy illegals, etc. if we divy up those un-needed rec-rooms, "spare" bedrooms, etc.

140 Joe, I ride with a bunch of cops. Crazy mutherfuckers. The 1st time I rode with them down the NY thruway (triple digits on Harleys).
I used to ride with off-duty LAPD up the coastal SoCal canyons - Hard riding guys. If pulled over by Sheriffs or CHP, they'd flash their "get out of jail free" badge. The Sheriffs and CHP HATED that. Granted this was years ago.

151 Good time, Good times, Rennsport.

152 The libtard definition of "cop-killer" ammunition changes to fit exactly the type of ammunition they're trying to get banned at the time.  I've heard it applied to armor-piercing, hollow-point, tumbling rounds, fragmentary rounds (can't remember the actual name, but it's actually called something else...), and standard ball ammo.  I've even seen it used in reference to shotgun slugs.

So who knows what type of ammo this idiot is talking about.

153

 fragmentary rounds (can't remember the actual name, but it's actually called something else...),

Glaser? If someone calls them "cop killers" they're seriously ignorant.

Glasers are actually designed that way to be utterly non-lethal. They can kill, but not well, and the point is there's no overpenetration AT ALL. Drywall will stop them. So much so a thick winter coat works as body armor.

The full name is "Glaser Safety Slug".

154

Joe.

Here is the point:

Cur and Entrophy..excellent points but once again, do you really need full auto or heavy weapons for home defense?

Do I need to know how to start a fire with sticks?

Answer: No. I have a lighter. I don't need to right now. I've never needed to ever. I hope I never do need to.

But if I need to, I do.

And that's that.

How, why, when - not important. Some people like being prepared.

I wouldn't even USE a full auto for home defense (against an intruder - post apocalyptic raiders are fair game). I mean, I'm trying to defend my home here, now swiss cheese the fuck out of it. That TV costs alot.

But I may, someday, need it. Hopefully I'll never use it. But if I have to, it's there.

What if there's a riot like in LA and I have to get myself and perhaps family members through an angry violent mob to get out of town? A glock won't do. I need a submachine gun.

155

In case you haven't noticed Joe, your Band of Brothers in Blue have morphed into nothing but another criminal gang.  Any true good cops left are complicit by not trying to solve the corruption they see around them every single day.

Meh...kinda. Seriously. I dunno how complicit they are - it's not them I blame and some are good guys. I think most are OK guys. I just don't wanna see them. I'd rather take my chances with robbers.

I can go drive around and point out 10 drug dealers - no one does shit.

But you pull me over and take my money because I don't have my seatbelt on?

And, you do that - WHEN I AM WEARING MY SEATBELT?!

It's like "hey you, give my your lunch money". My taxes aren't enough - bullies stand on corners and shake down random people who walk by. If you see one, turn the corner and go another way.

There's no "innocent till proven guilty" or trial by peers. Cop says you weren't wearing your seatbelt, you weren't wearing it. Pay up. End of story.

It's like "Hey, awful nice law abiding responsible life you got there. Shame if something were to happen to it". You owe them $50. Or $150.

I understand the appeal of La Costra Nostra. At least the mob was more honest about it...

Took less of your money..

Didn't give a shit if you smoked or not...

156 That's just it. While I can have sympathy for the rank and file officers, those who advance in rank have to be (leftist) political animals. This is why I tend to distrust the Chiefs Of Police.

Case in point. Note that this isn't just the rank and file "bad apple" officer, it includes senior guys: head of the Police Union (and Albany PD head armorer), and at least one assistant chief.

/via Say Uncle

157 154 What if there's a riot like in LA
During said riot my sick sense of humor took me to a local gunshop* to eavesdrop on salesmen explaining to would-be customers, one after another after another "No, you can NOT take it home today, you voted for a waiting period, remember?"
(*B&B, now gone, as ALL gunstores in L. A. proper, thanks Zev, thanks City Council - you even drove away holster makers like Alphonsos)

158 Posted by: Ranba Ral 152 The libtard definition of "cop-killer" ammunition changes to fit exactly the type of ammunition they're trying to get banned at the time.

The libs might start telling us we need to reduce man-made "cop killer" carbon in the atmosphere.

159 155 Cop says you weren't wearing your seatbelt, you weren't wearing it. Pay up. End of story.

On an Easter Sunday at Emma Woods State Beach in "come on vacation, leave in probation" Ventura county, I was jumped by a meth freak younger and taller than me. Subdued him somehow. While reporting this to the cops who manned the booth at the beach entrance, the tweaker, and his under-age baby-mama (she was breastfeeding while he was feeding her meth; my GF's crazy daughter), their illegitimate child infant, and  his bastard 6 year old son by another hippie chick, both without the mandatory child safety seats, in an expired-tag VW, with open containers of beer in each lap visible. Cops response? "We don't have to arrest everybody".  They knew damn well he was a deadbeat with a warrant out for his arrest (that winter they lived there in a tent on the beach with the infant) and it just wasn't worth it to the cops to do anything.

160 At least the mob was more honest about it...

The mob pays better percentages than the lottery on its numbers racket too...and they'll take your bet over the phone.  OTB and the lottery won't do that.

161 On an Easter Sunday at Emma Woods State Beach in "come on vacation, leave in probation" Ventura county

Dude, that place is some goooood hobo-hunting territory. Hobos camp out in the overgrown Ventura River bed, just on the other side of 101. Hobo campfire-caused brush fires in the riverbed are extremely common in the spring and summer.

162 136: Joe - No, Fuck You!

Tough job?  Sure, I buy that!  Get another job if you don't like dealing with the dregs of society.  But don't look to me for sympathy, you chose it, not me.

Poor Pay?  Bullshit.  Fresh out of the Academy cops are paid $45K+ in a Metro city.  Benefits include never getting arrested, all the drugs, guns and loose money you can shake down, and the opportunity to tune up a citizen or two when they wont kiss your ass the way you want it kissed.

Lawsuits?  Don't make me freakin' LAUGH!  I cannot remember the last time I heard of a cop getting successfully sued.  You know, the Thin Blue Line, and all.  But I can put your hands on a database documenting thousands of abuses at the hands of those sworn to "protect & serve".

I know there are good, honest cops out there, I know several quite closely.  If you are one, you have my apologies and respect.  If you are not, reread the first sentence of this post.

163 Cops NEVER get sued. The city does and inevitably the settle which is why they get sued all the time.

164

Isn't this fun.  Holder is part of a govt that trains young men/women on the care and feeding of some very nasty weapons to defend our country, but when they are discharged, they won't allow them to defend their own homes/families? 

At the same time Holder is surrounded by secret service.  With guns. 

DO AS I SAY, NOT AS I DO.       yeah right.

165 Why in god's name does the average citizen need a barrett .50 with ap rounds? or a full automatic M-4?  Its fucking insane.  Sorry but citizens do not need military grade weapons and ammo...period.

Why in god's name does the average citizen need a personal computer with high speed internet access? or a full automatic iPhone with 3G speed?  Its fucking insane.  Sorry but citizens do not need high-tech communications equipment and texting...period.

(FTFY, with the First Amendment being the violated Amendment, rather than the Second. I mean, since you are insisting that you know what your neighbor has a "right" to have, and what he doesn't. And hand-written letters worked just fine for our parents and grandparents...)

"The Second Amendment means only muzzle loaders and flintlocks, just as the First Amendment means only quill pens and hand-cranked printing presses."

166 #129, body armor is legal. Actually if you need some milspec shit shoot me an e-mail, I have some extra shit I need to offload. azrael556 at the hotmail.

167

Cur and Entrophy..excellent points but once again, do you really need full auto or heavy weapons for home defense?  I'm not for taking weapons away from citizens, hell, more should get them and ccw's but do you really need a .50 sniper rifle with ap rounds for hunting or home defense? Or anything?

Once again- the "assault weapon" ban has nothing to do with full-auto weapons or armor piercing ammo.  Nothing.  Nada.  Zip.  Zilch.

168  Man, the more I read on the blogs, the more I talk to my gun friends, the more I am sure we are on the verge of civil war. Just a note, leftys...the right has all the guns, and the training...I may get taken out, but there are others far more radical out there... this seems to be the mindset of my peers...  Average gun owners, and even non gun owners are stashing, hoarding and stockpiling food, ammo, guns and gas.... obabami better leash in his coon dog of an AG real soon........

169

You insult the turnip.

The assult weapons ban championed by the brain dead democrats include my Remington 700 semi-auto hunting rifle which put 4 deer in my freezer for use in coming months. It, nor any of my other hunting weapons has killed one human, yet. I can trap/snare any game and let them suffer until I check the trap/snare but choose instant death as long as a gun is available. Outlaw hunting and i'll kill dozens more animals than I do now and leave them in public view. So will dozens of others I know. Ask anyone who has jumped an outlaw hunter (we will all become outlaw hunters) what they find in their driveway or on the lawn. Dead animals by the dozens.

Take my guns and i'll learn to build a bomb. A fact known to all but the stupid democrats like Holder.

170

So, navycopjoe, what do the words "shall not be infringed" mean in your universe? Silly argument.

And there are a LOT of scumbag cops. Certainly more than "a few bad apples." And the selective enforcement and turning a blind eye to abominable and dangerous crimes by fellow officers heads the list. Cry me a fucking river, pal.

171
@168

There's no revolution coming.  There won't be a civil war. 

What we are approaching is more of a collapse followed by a quick adjustment.

The sad fact is that much of our civilization is nothing more than a Potemkin village.

Lefties are in charge of where the money is and where the money comes off the presses.  Once we lose confidence in the dollar, a barter economy will be such a drag on getting things done that we will find ourselves in Laura Ingalls' world.

The net load of social programs and wasteful consumer shit we bought-into when times were fat cannot be supported when the housing market finds its bottom.  The secondary, tertiary, and subsequent ripples through the economy as unemployment heads to around 45% is going to leave vast swaths of lefties out in the cold.  The so-called "creative class" and government workers and tort attorneys and all those faggety artsy types running the cash registers at Fresh Fields and Starfucks are dead weight who aren't heavy enough to kill and skin when the good times roll, but they sure as fuck ain't my brothers.

The collapse is when the lefties will be forced either to renounce their idiotic notions about how they want things to be or at least STFU about them.  The alternative will be acute lead poisoning from the business end of a boomstick.

This will be a "quick adjustment" because:

1.  We have no fucking idea how much lefty collectivism is holding us back.  As I see it, the drag is substantially greater than half.  In other words, drop the lefty shit, and we will at least double our ability to produce.

2.  The rest of the world will go on without us, but as the world economy since autumn 2007 has shown, any pain we get, they will feel threefold.  So, when the US collapses, the world will collapse, and we can resolve stuff our way at home without worrying about outside interference.  And, when we're done, we will be able to dictate our terms to the benighted non-Americans infesting the rest of the globe.  And be sure to ask these foreign fucks:  "How's my dick taste?"

Anyone who thinks that acute lead poisoning is a harsh response to thinking lefty thoughts hasn't been paying much attention to the last century of history. The Bard's term for it was "serpent's egg." 

Anybody with a moral problem with summarily dispatching these sacks of shit to go sit at the knee of their uncle Karl in hell, remember this:  They made POTUS of an asshole who voted twice to make it none of the state's business if a doctor murdered an infant born alive.  If these cockholsters aren't monsters, then who the fuck is?

172

Ergg, I live.  FYI, if you have an upset stomach, do not mix coffee and pepto, you get dizzy with pink puke.

As I read the comments after I passed into dear blissful sleep, except for the time when I was woken by a cat asleep on my head (don't ask) I must say that this is what I learned.

I'll actually amend my position on this.  The point made by Cur sums it up the best: who determines need.  Once the gov starts, they'll keep going and going....  My why do you need a .... concept was destroyed several times.  I thank you all for the education on a right, but why the asskicking, I thought I was loved?  Now the cop thing though, political appointees aside, I am still mucho procopo, go figure.

And I still have a bigger ____ than all of you, so there.

173 You sure as hell ain't taking my Berretas pal!

174 But remember also that in Wash DC area, one crazy muslim (black, with boy assistant) kept the whole city with their head down for 2 or 3 weeks.


You remember incorrectly.

Somehow we managed to go about our daily business while the DC sniper was active.  Sure, we looked around a bit at gas stations and were ready to hit the ground if we heard a shot ring out, but millions of us didn't change our daily lives over it.

175 Yeah, navyCOPjoe only wants "military" weapons in the hands of the Military, and, uhh, also those Elite cops running around breaking down innocent peoples doors, shooting citizens dogs, and tackling defenseless elderly women after Katrina.


Katrina didn't hit Atlanta but it happened there too.  It happens all over the country

Step 1 - Plant evidence at wrong address
Step 2 - Obtain no-knock warrent
Step 3 - break down door
Step 4 - kill homeowner who has nothing to do with drugs and thinks their home is getting invaded.

Thankfully, those three are going to prison.  If only the same were true for the thousands of others who do the same thing every year.

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And to think I spent 20 years of my life defending no-tooth hillbillies like you.  Can't way for President Barack Hussein X's "Volunteer Corps" (Freiwilliger Korps) to start kicking in your doors and hauling you off to Gitmo.

177 Couple things.   I thought the assault weapons ban already expired.

Second, I recently saw a somewhat related bumpersticker that said "When evolution is outlawed only outlaws will evolve."  Dig it.

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Who gets to draw the line as to what you or I do or don't need? Holder? Boxer?

Fuck That Shit with a Telephone Pole.

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175  Thankfully, those three are going to prison.  If only the same were true for the thousands of others who do the same thing every year DAY. - libarbarian

Fixed that for ya, bro.

navycopjoe - Dude, sorry you are sick.  But please read my link re: abuse of power by governmental authority.  PLEASE note that the collection is all about abuse of gub'mint power NOT just cops being jackasses.

Get well soon.

Peace.

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If you're not serious, develop a better sense of humor ASAP.

184 Of course, the statutory definition of armor-piercing ammunition has many loopholes.  And the "ban" applies to manufacturing and importation, but not ownership.  Various members of Congress have attempted to close these loopholes.  Undoubtedly this is what Holder was referring to.

PURPLE. AVENGER. SUB-LITERATE. RETARD.

185 While familliar with this law I recently purchased 5000 rounds of 5.56 the military turned down because it was a few fps to slow or somthing like that from a legal company and was suprised when I loaded my bedtime clip and noticed the black tips. dont know if it was a mistake and now I dont plan on finding out but I guess theyre still sort of available on the market.

186 Undoubtedly this is what Holder was referring to.

I have my doubts.

187

You guys are really emptying the shelves of hand lotion and kleenex, aren't you?  M-4!  Fwap fwap fwap!  Garand!  Thwop thwop thwop!  Paperless firearms!  Huh huh huh -- oooooohhh.  

Naw.

I'm saving myself for the Auto-Assault 12, full auto 12 guage shotgun.

If I get my hands on one of those things, I'm gonna beat my dick like it owes me money.

188

Which brings me to another reason why I should be allowed to buy fully automatic firearms.

Because there's nothing wrong with masturbatory aids. Yes, I do need a full auto silenced HK-MP5SD, not for home defense, just because I have a hard time getting it up without one.

And I'm not hurting anybody by having it.

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189 God you people are pathetic.  Armed revolution?  Don't make me fucking laugh.  You. Don't. Have. The. Balls.  Furthermore, you don't even understand the laws which makes it possible for you to keep your precious guns and ammo, as evidenced by the purple avenger's complete misunderstanding of federal law as it pertains to ammunition.  Read for context, idiots, unless you're too busy polishing your barrels.  And to whoever said that liberals don't have the skills to defend themselves, just fucking try it.  I dare you.

190

Lay off navycopjoe, guys...he gets it, already.

 

Hemlock and snark? Bite me.

191 Furthermore, you don't even understand the laws which makes it possible for you to keep your precious guns and ammo

Elaborate

192 as evidenced by the purple avenger's complete misunderstanding of federal law as it pertains to ammunition.

Want to take a guess as to why you didn't try to clear up this "misunderstanding"?

Read for context, idiots

Ah yes, "context" that is when you ignorant leftists pretend words don't mean what they actually say.

And to whoever said that liberals don't have the skills to defend themselves, just fucking try it.  I dare you.

Try what, exactly?
I'm quite certain you don't own any sort of firearm and you've never been in a fistfight.
There is nothing to "try"

Idiot.

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