1 4000 dead and a trillion dollars was spent to free our muslim brothers and fix up their country and I love them so much I think it a fair price to have paid.

2 Saw Taking Chance at Sundance, and it's excellent.  LtCol Strobl took questions at the Q & A after the screening and some of the vets in attendance took the opportunity to thank him for the great job. 

3 OT: Obama looks like <a href='http://tinyurl.com/awxrtq'>Nikolai Ezhov</a>, Stalin's chief hatchet man.

4 I posted this at Balckfive yesterday it was concerning Obambi's looking at the photo policy at Dover...this is an issue that hits home with me, because of what I had to do too many times in my career...

I've dealt with the press before concerning the deaths of servicemen (I was the Decedent Affairs Officer at NH 29 Palms for 2 years)...local rag writer would call up asking for info about deaths of people on base of in the local area, always threw out the line "the public needs to know" and "freedom of the press"...clown claimed he was a retired Marine on top of it. Got sick and tired of his calls and told him to shove his notepad and pen up his rear end and that he needed to gain permission from the family of the deceased before I would say anything to him or any member of the press...later found out that the Base PAO always gave out my number to the rag writer. The Marine Captain got an angry Navy Senior Chief crawling up his rear end with the Base Sgt Maj present...ans a private "counseling session" with the Base General...

The phone calls stopped after that...and the Captain had been quickly reassigned to a deploying Marine Infantry Battalion...

The last thing in the world that a grieving family needs to deal with is a member of the press prying into the circumstances surrounding the death of a loved one, especially while serving our country. They just need to leave the families alone...

The press needs to leave the families of the fallen alone..fuck them and their need to "let the public know"...fucking vultures...

5 Um. Here we go again:

6 Gotta get a friend to record it for me, I don't watch premiums so we don't subscribe to them.

7 Michael Medved gave it 4 stars yesterday.

8 a trillion dollars

These guys put the total at $864B for the WOT all up since 2001.

With enactment of the FY2008 Supplemental and FY2009 Bridge Fund(H.R.
2642/P.L. 110-252) on June 30, 2008, Congress has approved a total of about $864
billion for military operations, base security, reconstruction, foreign aid, embassy
costs, and veterans� health care for the three operations initiated since the 9/11
attacks: Operation Enduring Freedom (OEF) Afghanistan and other counter terror
operations; Operation Noble Eagle (ONE), providing enhanced security at military
bases; and Operation Iraqi Freedom (OIF).

The More You Know ...

9 About the cost of TARP I

10 Four thousand American lost is a very high price to pay. Few things, if any, could be worth that.

A strategic upheaval in the ME to our benefit just might be worth it. Starting the long delayed reform of Islam might be worth it. Luring our enemies by the thousands into a meat grinder might be worth it.

It will takes decades to play out, but IMHO we have made the right move, Mr. ryan.

11 "They" also said we would not be able to stomach war if  it meant women soldiers would die. "They" think we are stupid, uninformed, and uncaring. We know that's not true.

"They" always underestimate Americans.

12 What the dumbass libs don't understand about the Iraq war is that it was also STRATEGIC. Look at Iraq, it borders Saudia Arabia, Jordan, Syria, Turkey, Iran, and Kuwait. We now have access to the borders of these problem areas. It was suppossed to be a deterrent to bad behavior of any of these regimes, but the libs undermining of this has caused those countries to now think that they can get away with anything.

Bush had a toothless response to Iran's nukes, and Obama may just give them the plans and triggers for their bomb.

Syria had started to cut back on their help of Hezbelloh, but now do it freely.

Bush/Cheney had the right idea, but the libs fucked us._{(I can say fucked can't I?)}

13 Sounds like a good movie. Saw a trailer - it looked good. However, why is it the only kind of current war/military movie Hollywood can make that isn't about soliders-as-monsters is the soldiers-as-victims movie? What about the soldiers-as-heroes idea?

(apologies to Marines. I'm using soldier as the collective for any military member)

14 The media could post themselves just outside of Dover.  It's not real hard to figure out what is coming out the gate.

But then they'd look just like the vultures they truly are.

I don't see alot of interest in filming re-enlistment ceremonies.  The public has a right to know about them too.

15

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16 thanks for the reminder Drew

17 I don't have HBO... Is there any way to find out when it will be released on DVD?

Better still, could anyone record it and send me a copy?  I'd pay shipping.

18 Fuck me. Via Drudge->WaPo

"President Obama is putting the finishing touches on an ambitious first budget that seeks to cut the federal deficit in half over the next four years, primarily by raising taxes on business and the wealthy and by slashing spending on the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, administration officials said."

19

Leave them alone.

 

 The families concerned must be allowed to decide this matter.

20 HBO did a free broadcast of the ones coronation, but can't free broadcast this.

CURSES!

21

6 Seconds and two Marines lay down their lives for others

http://tinyurl.com/cfakob

 

22

It is difficult for me to express my loathing for the grave dancers who flaunt casualty counts like some sort of macabre banner, for political means.

 Damn, can't post more, the fury is clouding my thought prtocesses.

23  thanks Drew and Blackfive for the heads-up! I cross-posted at Rantburg.com with credit-links back to your post and Blackfive's

24 The Press are a bunch of freaking vultures. As a former military member myself I can honestly say I'd rather the Press ate the bullets and had to wave good bye to some of their comrades with all that sappy bull-crap they shoveled self-servingly on the anchor from ABC who got zapped over in Iraq. One of them gets it, just one , and it's Pulitzer Prize time...a dozen, a hundred soldiers or Marines get it and it barely rates a blurb on the evening News schpiel. These Press Maggots make my stomach turn over.

Would they like someone from DoD PAO hanging around the ABC or NBC HQ in NYC hoping for a photo of one of the Press Corps being brought in by hearse after getting fragged or blown up over in the sandbox? They'd promptly refer to the military as "vultures" and rail about the "lack of respect" and "privacy for a fallen reporter", as if the Press rates more respect than the military. Turnabout is never fair play for these assclowns. What a bunch of cockwhistles.

Again, these 'people', if I can call them that, make me sick.

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26 Even if they change the rules and let the press into Dover, the MSM won't be showing up to film serviceman who died under Obama's watch.

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Poignantly displays the respect our fallen servicemen deserve on their final journey home.

Well done.

29

Lest add some perspective to the casualties

Tarawa 1943, three days 1000 KIA

Iwo Jima 1945, about 37 days 6800 KIA

Pelelieu 1944 about one month, 1794 KIA

Invasion of Normandy 1944, One Day 1465 KIA

Ia Drang Valley 1965, four days 1037 KIA

During the approximately six month long Tet Ofensive, the US lost about 3400 KIA

I have no comments; draw your own conclusions.

 

 

30

aaabs at February 22, 2009 08:23 AM

WTF!

31

Look at Iraq, it borders Saudia Arabia, Jordan, Syria, Turkey, Iran, and Kuwait. We now have access to the borders of these problem areas. It was suppossed to be a deterrent to bad behavior of any of these regimes, but the libs undermining of this has caused those countries to now think that they can get away with anything.

Does anyone really understand why Iran is acting in such a bold and reckless manner?  Saddam is gone; that's why.  With an impotent Iraq, there is no one in the region that the Iranians fear. 

I don't give a damn how many Shiites suffered under his regime. We are at war with militant Islam. In retrospect, Iraq was a mistake, just like Pelelieu, Aachen, and the Hurtgen Forest.  We desprerately need a secular thug in the middle East on our side; we could have had one.  Our grandchildren will suffer dearly because of our feeble-minded leaders do not understand or else refuse to understand the danger of unrestrained Islamic expansion.

The Iraq and Afghanistan each have a new constution with the Quran as the core, Americans died for this?

32

#19

Absolutely.

They don't work for us anymore. Their job is finished. They belong to their families now. Their loved ones grief is theirs to endure. We owe them our undying gratitutde, and that will never be enough. God speed them on their journey.

33

#31

We desprerately need a secular thug in the middle East on our side; we could have had one. 

Which is an extrodinary assumption on your part. You are assuming that if things were left as before that saddam Hussein would be benign to the interests of the United States in the Middle East. If past performance is indicative of future behavior then we were right to remove him for that alone. saddam Hussein was a destablizing influence in the middle east.

The Iranian are acting as they are because they are afraid of the new players in the Middle East. Iraq and the US. 75% of the population of Iran is under 30 years old. Iran is having a difficult time controlling their own young people who see the people next door enjoying a lot more freedoms than they do.

We will do in Iraq, if the current administartion lets us, do what we have always done with the countries we liberate. Occupy and guide, and eventually, by treaty, lease strategic bases.

Iran is watching the clock run down on their fundamentalist regime.

34

Iran is watching the clock run down on their fundamentalist regime.

I fear that Iran will use a military strike to "restart their clock."

Iran is having a difficult time controlling their own young people who see the people next door enjoying a lot more freedoms than they do.

All the more reason the worry about a desperate regime doing something outrageous.

The Iranian are acting as they are because they are afraid of the new players in the Middle East.

They don't seem to me to be acting like they are afraid of anything.

35 Watchd it last night.  I defy anyone to watch and not shedd tears.

36

One more thing, to the devout Muslim, death in the conduct of jihad is the best thing that could happen to them.  To a true believing Shiite, creating chaos to bring the Mahdi (twelfth Imam) out of the well will be their salvation. 

Devout Muslim jihadists fear nothing, they love death and they do not differentiate between infidel soldier and infidel civilian.  To them, there are no innocent infidel civilians.  If Iran lashes out and the retaliation results in one million dead Iranians, those dead Iranians are also martyrs, and will receive their reward in Muslim heaven. 

No, I don't think the Iranian leaders fear anything, because the real leaders of Iran are the Muslim clergy.

 

37

shit was out of town, anyone know when it is going to replay?  Was it any good?

Kemp

38 Yeah, I thought it was well done.

39

Scaring the war out of people with coffin photos is a Vietnam thing. In other wars, such publicity was the easiest way to stir up the Kill-Them-All reflex. Americans cherish their current image as unflappable professional warriors backed by a populace of "unwilling imperialists."  The Gentlemen of the Press--having helped to create the stereotype, had they only the sense of history of their own Estate--ought to consider that they are playing with fire here.

The Press is not done with its task of civilizing the Americans into pacifism. Perhaps the smart money is on coddling their smug misapprehension. The current J-School generation has never seen the Americans in rage. The world should hope they do not bumble into goading us. We just may be as bad as they say we are. At the very least, we should keep them guessing.

Should coffin processions become a daily news item, the printed reaction of certifiable agonists is pretty predictable.  What news managers ignore to their peril is what emotions their video feed may engender in living rooms and bars, out where people really live.

40
Kemper, it's HBO, so it'll be on many more times.  It's on again today and tues for sure.

41 It's the next afternoon and I am sticking with what I said yesterday: the Press are frakking vultures, and would gladly show our dead to stop a war because they, as a "column" or "estate"  lack even the most basic guts or sense of national urgency. They are the kind of maggots that infested Rome at the end, preferring to train and arm their enemies in order not to have to bear the burden of war themselves.
In the end, their actions (and their inactions) spelled their doom.

 I think the same can be said of our own Press, particularly the print media, which as anyone who reads the imterwebs and sees this blog knows, is already heading for the last round up. The NYT is running on a loan from a gangbanger Mexican Billionaire or they'd already be selling more assets and cutting printing to keep the doors of the Old Gray Whore open at all...

Things have consequences, and  the Press trying to use our Honored Fallen as a chip in their twisted fantasies of stopping all wars they don't approve of is beyond the pale. They did this to Johnson, even though he was a Dem's Dem, so this shit is engrained in their shitty DNA, not just acquired in J School. Reporters are assholes, but I repeat myself.

My thank yous to Kevin Bacon and whoever greenlighted this HBO project. Almost makes up for the shitty ending to Sopranos a couple of seasons ago.
Who the hell ever decided to end a NJ mob series in a diner with a family settling their fat greasy hides down to eat and then fade out to mothing? Is that art?
I call bulllshit: this gets HBO a measure of the way back to tolerable.

42 mothing= nothing.  My bad.

43 It was certainly worth watching, if for nothing else the exposition of the respect that our military shows for our fallen. Whatever political message may have been intended was benign, and certainly not enough to irritate me; and I get irritated very, very easily at stuff like this.

Once again: well done, and worth watching.

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